1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,800 Speaker 1: Hi, here's the thing, listeners. I'm not Alec Baldwin. I'm 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 1: in a sale from the Death, Sex and Money podcast. 3 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 1: Our show is about the things we think about a 4 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: lot and need to talk about more. And I recently 5 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: interviewed Alec on stage at the Brooklyn Academy of Music 6 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:21,439 Speaker 1: about all this big stuff money, sex and death. These 7 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 1: are things he is remarkably honest about in his new 8 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 1: memoir called Nevertheless. And because you're here's the thing, listener, 9 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 1: I know you like revealing interviews, so we thought you'd 10 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:34,520 Speaker 1: like to hear one where instead of asking the questions, 11 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: Alec Baldwin is the one answering them. Okay. What I 12 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:50,200 Speaker 1: wanted to do was run out me first and introduce you. 13 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 1: I am in control here, okay, and then I would 14 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 1: run out and you'd introduce me. So I want to 15 00:00:56,360 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: start with how you start your memoir money. You say 16 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 1: early on that the reason you wrote this book was 17 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 1: because you got paid for it, and you say the 18 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:10,040 Speaker 1: mercenary force is strong in this one. So I want 19 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: to ask you about money. Uh. Is the making of 20 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 1: money for you? Is the thrill in getting the big 21 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 1: paycheck and spending it at this point? Or is it 22 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: watching it accumulate to feel safe. You know, I completely 23 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: forgot that this is an episode of death, sex, and money. 24 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 1: We're taping this for your show. Um, well, it's interesting 25 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 1: you say that I never really thought about that, because 26 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:39,039 Speaker 1: I don't. I literally have. Ah, this is gonna sound 27 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 1: silly and maybe maybe some people are too young here 28 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 1: to get this analogy. But um, like in Bugs Bunny cartoons, 29 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 1: Bugs Bunny, sometimes we'll be sleep walking on a construction 30 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: site and he'd be walking along like these girders and 31 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 1: he's about to walk off the edge, and another girder 32 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 1: would come into place, and he'd walk on that and 33 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: always be rescued at the last moment. And that's kind 34 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 1: of my financial planning strategy. Things get really bad and 35 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: then a big girder of money comes in and I 36 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 1: walk on that for a while. There's these planks of 37 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: money keep coming in to float me to where I'm 38 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: go before I die. But I never really think about that. 39 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: I have as really, I really believe a lot in 40 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 1: providence financially. Yeah, I don't know. I think moments of 41 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: a financial planner, I think I actually appreciate how honest 42 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:31,920 Speaker 1: you are about money being part of what motivates you 43 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: because you grew up not with a lot of it, 44 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: So it makes sense that creating a sense of security 45 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: not only for yourself but your for your family is 46 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 1: something that you've thought about as you've made career choices. 47 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 1: I think the people who go into business and uh 48 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 1: succeeding uh being measured at least in one part on 49 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: money and income. Um, people in investment banking obviously, things 50 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: that are all very near and dear to us New Yorkers. Um. Uh. 51 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 1: The you know, the business simon you you tend not 52 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: to think about that, and then all of a sudden 53 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: one day you are thinking about that. Because there's tremendous 54 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: opportunities there for people who succeed in film and television. 55 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: But I think that when I got out of my 56 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: house when I was a kid and I went to school, 57 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: I thought, I just want to succeed at whatever I do. 58 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: Like if I went into acting for like a year 59 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:28,519 Speaker 1: or two and I was still waiting tables, I probably 60 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: wouldn't have done it. I wasn't going to walk around 61 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:33,239 Speaker 1: for like a decade, you know, with a copy of 62 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 1: Allman Gilead wedged in my pocket and like, you know, 63 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: hanging out dressed in all black clothes at Nick sorely 64 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: Is all night long. You know I wasn't doing that. Yeah, 65 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: well you actually you you recall a conversation that you 66 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: had with the professor at George Washington when you're at 67 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 1: that stage of life, You've gone one year to college 68 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: at George Washington, thinking that law and policy is part 69 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 1: of your future. You transfer, you're thinking about transferring to 70 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: n y U. And he says to you, you're right, 71 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: it's interesting that you're not talking about any dreams you have. 72 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 1: You're just talking about how you're going to make it. 73 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: That that was what was driving in He was. He 74 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 1: was a very intense guy, very clever guy, and you know, 75 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 1: smart guy, I think, very caring of his students. You older. 76 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 1: You know, I was in my early twenties. He was 77 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 1: probably close to sixty, but like around my age now 78 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:28,720 Speaker 1: and um he um. From my own benefit to kind 79 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: of throw a cold glass of water on me, you know, 80 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:34,279 Speaker 1: to to think about how I was going into this. 81 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:37,479 Speaker 1: I was giving up going to law school and this 82 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 1: kind of traditional track I was on to go into 83 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 1: this more non traditional track and rather late in the game. 84 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 1: And he was like, well, where's the artistic spirit, you know, 85 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: where's the passion for it from an artistic standpoint? And 86 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: I don't think I had that, really, you don't, No, No, 87 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 1: I think I think I went to I went to 88 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 1: n y U for people. Again, these are references. People 89 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: here might be too to get, but I never forget 90 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: the guy that was auditioning me then was a guy, 91 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,720 Speaker 1: uh named Fred Gorelick. And I came in, and of 92 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:12,919 Speaker 1: course I've later find out I've done unfortunately for poor Fred, 93 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: I probably done the nine hundredth rendition of Long Day's Journey, 94 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 1: and tonight I've done Edmund from Long Day's Journey. I 95 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: get in and I'll never forget Fred. It was this 96 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: very colorful guy. He looks at me, he goes, you 97 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: remind me of a young aljo Ray? Is that? Because 98 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 1: my voice is going to rasp me? Did you remind 99 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: me of the very young Aljoe Ray? He said? And 100 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 1: I thought, my god, is that a compliment? I thought? 101 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: Is that supposed to close the deal? Here? Yeah? So 102 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: I go to the school and uh, I had tremendous 103 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: doubts about that. I really I didn't really think it 104 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:51,280 Speaker 1: was what I wanted to do. I was gonna try. 105 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 1: I would never be young enough again to try that. 106 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 1: So I did it. And then as soon as I 107 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:57,039 Speaker 1: got out of that first year, I had to go 108 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: another year or one semester was all my credit student transfer. 109 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: But I got work right away, and then I just 110 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 1: kept working, and the more I would work in the business, 111 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:10,720 Speaker 1: the more I would um. For simplicity's sake, I'll say, 112 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:15,280 Speaker 1: get into that, Udhahagan, think about respect for acting, because 113 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: in the beginning, it wasn't that I had a cynicism 114 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 1: about it or a lack of respect for it. I 115 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 1: just didn't take it seriously enough. And then after I 116 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 1: did this soap opera for like two years and absorbed 117 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 1: all the things from those people about their experiences outside 118 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 1: of the television show, because all of them were like 119 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 1: running off to go to the macarter to do King 120 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 1: John and everything. And I'm doing a soap opera where 121 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 1: you know, every day we go to work the script unavoidably, 122 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:43,840 Speaker 1: so it was just treacle every day, you know what 123 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:46,799 Speaker 1: I mean, every day You're like, Greta, I love you, Greta. 124 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: I love you so much, Greta. I wish there was 125 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:52,279 Speaker 1: enough time and the day to tell you Greta, how 126 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:55,359 Speaker 1: much I love you, and like the next day, the 127 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: same thing once, one more time to find a point 128 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: on this how much I love you? And it was 129 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: like you just want to go blow your brains out, 130 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: And and all the casts of many of them veteran 131 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: theater actors, they take their break and I see, what 132 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: are you gonna do? And they go, I'm going to 133 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: go to King John the Macarter, I'm gonna go to 134 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 1: uh light up the Sky at the paper Mill Playhouse, 135 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: And they're all the Westport Playhouse, and they were all 136 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 1: really intense theater actors. And by the time I came 137 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 1: out of that process with them, I had completely changed. 138 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: I think. Really. You write with a lot of fondness 139 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 1: about David O'Brien, who was your co star on The Doctors, 140 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 1: and I love these scenes you you recall of running 141 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 1: around the mid fifties of Manhattan as a young man, 142 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 1: having from Long Island to then Washington, and then you're 143 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: running around town with this band of gay men, a 144 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 1: very handsome young man yourself, and then yeah, back then, 145 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: but it made me, it made me kind of wonder 146 00:07:57,560 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: like you had a lot of different role models for 147 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: masculinity looked like on Long Island in Washington. Then David 148 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: O'Brien becomes this very important role model for you as 149 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: what what a man who's a performer is like? What 150 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: did you learn about masculinity from those guys when you're 151 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 1: drinking in bars in Manhattan at that stage of your career. 152 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 1: That's so great. David played my father on the show, 153 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: and I knew he what his nature was the first 154 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 1: day because the first day I come on, they were 155 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 1: very merciless there. They want you to know your lines, 156 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 1: and they wanted to They wanted to do what they 157 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 1: call live tape, which is don't stop because we don't 158 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:35,839 Speaker 1: want to do the editing because the editing costs money. 159 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 1: We want you to play the scene straight through. Don't 160 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 1: don't cut, try to get through it, try to remember 161 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: your lines, don't know exactly like we're doing it live. 162 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: Even though we weren't live that we could cut. They 163 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: tried to avoid that for cost. And I come in 164 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: my very first day and I don't remember my lines. 165 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:55,599 Speaker 1: I can't remember any of my lines. I'm terrified. I'm mortified. 166 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 1: And there was a guy named Don Stewart, and I 167 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: believe I've been told that if you listen to the 168 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: broadcast of the first time I was on the show, 169 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 1: because we have cute cards back then, actual cute cards 170 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: next to the camera with the sky Don Stewart, you 171 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 1: can hear in the background Don Stewart tapping my cute 172 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: card where the line is I'm supposed to say, so, 173 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:18,319 Speaker 1: David O'Brien plays my phone, is like, so, Bill, we 174 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 1: haven't seen you such a long time. Where have you been? 175 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: And I go, oh, you know, uh, And I go, 176 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 1: We'll go to the card. And David would save me, 177 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:34,439 Speaker 1: he'd save my line. I bet you was spending a 178 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 1: lot of time. But your grandmother's house in Newport, what's 179 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 1: your new part is? You've been a new part for 180 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:43,319 Speaker 1: a while. And I see I was like, yes, yes, yes, yes, 181 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 1: I was in Newport. I was. I was working at 182 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: the bank for grand my Grandma's bank. I was Grandma's back, 183 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 1: you know. And then I realized how caring and how 184 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 1: kind he was, and I became really good friends with him. 185 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 1: And he was from an old you know, David was 186 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: in the original company of Boys in the band. He 187 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 1: was from a pre aids, pre eight s gay culture 188 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:12,959 Speaker 1: in New York. His his his friends were all, as 189 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 1: I say in the book, they were executive gay. Uh, 190 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:22,599 Speaker 1: they were ceo gay. And we go to these restaurants. Uh, 191 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 1: I go, as I was David's date, and um, he 192 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 1: taught me many things, but he taught me that I 193 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: think what I don't think he meant to teach me. 194 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 1: But what I say in the book is that under 195 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: any given circumstances, I could have been gay. I say 196 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: that in the book I was in love with him 197 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: as anybody ever met my life. I never slept with him. 198 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:47,079 Speaker 1: I never slept with a guy in my life. But 199 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 1: I look a him and I go, was it? My 200 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: hang up? Like, did I what's the what's the membrane 201 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:53,959 Speaker 1: you passed through by which one minute you have a 202 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 1: certain set of values in terms of sexuality, and you 203 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: meet somebody that you care about as much as any 204 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 1: woman I've ever been with. To my A, well what 205 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 1: do I do now? You know? I say in the book, 206 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:07,839 Speaker 1: I took a woman I was dating to his house 207 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 1: on fire. So she was just velcro to the corner 208 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 1: and didn't say a word, and he and I were 209 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 1: like you you you, And she said, they're like eating 210 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 1: you know, macadamia nuts and doing her nails, and I'm like, 211 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 1: okay over there, okay, and uh, I mean I loved him. 212 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 1: I loved him. He was a great guy. And uh 213 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 1: but he taught me to he taught he was the 214 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:34,679 Speaker 1: beginning of me learning the one for them, one for 215 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 1: you school of acting, which has embraced the commercial and 216 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: great embrace those opportunities. But then when you can, you 217 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:44,319 Speaker 1: run off and do these other things for your soul, 218 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: you know. So you began acting one year at n 219 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 1: y U one and a half years, as you say, 220 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: you you joined the doctors. You go to Hollywood, quickly 221 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 1: find success. And during this time of becoming an actor 222 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 1: with a job, I'm not slanding. You also have a 223 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 1: cocaine haby it you write with some detail, yes, slip 224 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:11,559 Speaker 1: my mind. When did you first do cocaine? M h 225 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:17,959 Speaker 1: is your show Cold Drug stands, Sex and Money. The 226 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:21,199 Speaker 1: I guess here in New York with the people from 227 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: the soap there was people who were you know, one 228 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 1: day you're down to the bathroom in a bar in 229 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: New York it's the eighties and you're doing cocaine and 230 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:30,439 Speaker 1: you're and you're like, oh, that's cool. And then and 231 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 1: then of course the money thing, you know, like, yeah, 232 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: I look at it everything in terms of a value 233 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 1: of you know, what I could afford, and I didn't 234 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 1: want to um waste money. I thought, God, I money 235 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:44,680 Speaker 1: is so elusive in my family and my bloodline. Uh 236 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 1: that I Uh, I would sit there and somebody would 237 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: I'd say, we know. I mean literally, you know, I'm 238 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 1: like a Woody Allen character in my own life. You know, 239 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 1: I'm like in the bathroom, I'm like, I used to 240 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: how much does this stuff? Course, you know you're doing 241 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 1: the cocaine. How much you look the portions you by, 242 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: which size like a little baggy, and how much is that? 243 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:08,079 Speaker 1: And the woman's like saying to me, you know, they 244 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 1: tell you how much it costs, and you're like, oh god, no, 245 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: I'm not doing that. You know that's something it was 246 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: cost prohibitive, And then when you make more money, it's 247 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 1: not cost prohibits. Thank you. You write about an overdose, 248 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: the cocaine overdose while you were working, you're alone in 249 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 1: a hotel room, you think you're gonna die. Did you 250 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 1: stop using cocaine because you were ashamed or because you 251 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 1: thought you might die? Well? I didn't. I didn't, Uh. 252 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: I stopped. Then in the fall of two nineteen, Uh 253 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 1: oops typo um the nine four I stopped and then 254 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 1: uh and then I go and uh do it again. 255 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: And people had said, you know that in these different 256 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 1: twelve programs, that if you give up one thing, then 257 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:04,079 Speaker 1: you'll pick up other things. And sure enough of my 258 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 1: drinking increased, and uh, but not that it was that 259 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: that was too crazy. But I never foreget one time 260 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 1: I was at my friend's house with my dear friends 261 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 1: and they're all snorting cocaine and they knew what happened 262 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:17,719 Speaker 1: to me, how sick I was, and they were all 263 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: talking and it was like one of those E. F. 264 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: Hutton commercials, But like all of a sudden, everybody stops 265 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: talking when the cocaine mirror is in front of me 266 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: because they want to see if this person that's overdosed 267 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 1: is you're actually gonna So there was going blah blah blah, 268 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: blah blah blah. So I didn't go back and do 269 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 1: that until one more time in the February of five, 270 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 1: and it just made me sick. It maybe I was 271 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 1: very sick because I uh, I think, as as often 272 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 1: the case for many people, success was far more scary 273 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: for me than failure. Failure was what I was accustomed to. 274 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: We're not succeeding was what I mean, growing up under 275 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 1: very very uh ordinary means and stuff for than going 276 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: to l A and UH and trying to figure that out. 277 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 1: My dad had died. There was no old Brian there 278 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: for me. I write in the book that one of 279 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 1: the strongest themes of the book is my need to 280 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: find someone to replace my dad and to mentor me. 281 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: And I did this thing. I mean as loquacious as 282 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: I can be at times. I played this game once 283 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 1: with two famous men that were two huge executives at 284 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 1: a studio. And I'm not that smart, but on one occasion, 285 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 1: I thought, I'm gonna sit and have lunch with him, 286 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: and I'm not going to say a word. I'm gonna 287 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 1: read all about them. Was before the internet. I'm gonna 288 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: find out about their careers. And I sat and at 289 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 1: lunch with one particular guy, and we talked for an 290 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 1: hour and a half at a restaurant in Beverly Hills. 291 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 1: And he's spoken an unbroken monologue for an hour and 292 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 1: a half. We just couldn't believe how much I was 293 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: really acted. It's the best acting I've ever done in 294 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 1: my life. And then what and then you do what 295 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 1: after that? Oh? Really? Oh my god? Then you did that? 296 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 1: Oh my god. And I kind of meant because he 297 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 1: was a very fascinating guy. And the lunch is over 298 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: and he calls up my agent. He goes, I love him. 299 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 1: He's fantastic, you know. And I realized getting out there, 300 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: like it's it's like this much about how talented you are, 301 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 1: and this much about how much they like you. They 302 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: want to like you, and they want to work with 303 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 1: people they like. So I started to kind of get 304 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 1: into that idea and then eventually I just checked that 305 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 1: as I don't care if they like me. Coming up, 306 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: Alec tells me about choosing to be a very public 307 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 1: celebrity while also being addicted to solitude. You know, Ray 308 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 1: Charles is blind, but he learned how to play the piano. 309 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 1: Sometimes people are the Ray Charles of uh, you know, agoraphobia. 310 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: You know, we're being in public. They find a way 311 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: to handle it and deal with it, but doesn't take 312 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 1: away the fact that they aren't necessarily that comfortable in 313 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 1: front of people and talking about themselves. So but they 314 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: find a way to get around him. More of my 315 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 1: conversation with Alec Baldwin about his new memoir Nevertheless coming 316 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:12,680 Speaker 1: up after the break. I'm in a sale from the Death, 317 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:15,880 Speaker 1: Sex and Money podcast talking today with Here's the Thing 318 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 1: host Alec Baldwin. As a college student, Alec transferred from 319 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:23,160 Speaker 1: George Washington University to go to n y us Tish 320 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: School of the Arts. After a year there, Alec got 321 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 1: work as an actor and dropped out. But more than 322 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:31,880 Speaker 1: a decade later, when he was in his late thirties, 323 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 1: he finished his degree. I read all of the books 324 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: just done Oslavski and Strasburg, and I watched all of 325 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 1: the films of al Paccino, and I interviewed al for 326 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:46,679 Speaker 1: nine hours off and on. I mean, I would be 327 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 1: like literally out, We'll be doing be talking, and we'd 328 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 1: beginning into this great thing, and he was doing me, 329 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:54,120 Speaker 1: this big favorite body, letting me interview him. And uh 330 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:55,920 Speaker 1: like about an hour and a half ago by going 331 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:59,880 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to the grocery store, Aleck, I'm gonna 332 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:03,359 Speaker 1: I'm down to the grocery store right now. You wait here, 333 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: I'll be right back an hour and I'm sitting there 334 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 1: writing and I had two questions and I interviewed Al 335 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 1: about the applicability of method acting to someone with a 336 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: career in theater and film, and Pacina was the only 337 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: one that really mattered because he kept going back to 338 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 1: the theater throughout his career and still does. He just 339 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,440 Speaker 1: finished doing a show in l a And I interviewed 340 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 1: Al and it was just one of the most amazing 341 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:32,359 Speaker 1: experiences of my life. Do you remember one thing you 342 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 1: learned from those interviews that sticks with you. Al does 343 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:41,159 Speaker 1: not like to talk about acting, which was very frustrating. 344 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:45,640 Speaker 1: We were writing a paper Bad Acting, and uh, we're 345 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:48,440 Speaker 1: in his house once. I mean, there's so many anecdotes 346 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:50,879 Speaker 1: about that. But one time I say to him, I 347 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 1: said to him, I look at the line of people's work, like, 348 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:58,119 Speaker 1: what's the kind of uh course they're on? And I said, now, 349 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: in this period, right this year, you did the movie 350 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:06,440 Speaker 1: Author Author with Tuesday Weld, this romantic comedy and in 351 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 1: the title song of the movie, the lyrics they sing 352 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 1: are and in the end it's just it's just all 353 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:17,360 Speaker 1: cookies and milk and a smile. I said. And then 354 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 1: after that, you do Cruise in the homosexual crime movie 355 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 1: a detective movie with Billy Fakin, which was this big 356 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:29,400 Speaker 1: disaster for everybody involved. And I said, you know your 357 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:33,400 Speaker 1: have your you know your this really violent movie. I said, 358 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 1: what's that like for you as an actor when you 359 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 1: pivot between these different things? And he literally sits here 360 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:41,160 Speaker 1: and goes, that does sound good, though, doesn't it? Alec, 361 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 1: it's just cookies and milk and a smile. That doesn't 362 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:53,440 Speaker 1: sound too bad, doesn't And I'm like, yeah, it sounds great. 363 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 1: But then you go from that you see two people 364 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 1: like murdering each other in these gay clubs in Manhattan. 365 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:04,160 Speaker 1: I said, you do a scene with Richard Cox and 366 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 1: he is going down on you in in uh A 367 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 1: Riverside Park and I said, you're a method actors, said, 368 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 1: what's that life? You shooting that scene? He goes, all 369 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 1: I remember was was cold. It was so cold there. 370 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 1: We're there in the park and it was so damn 371 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:22,439 Speaker 1: cold out there. And he would never answer my question 372 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 1: acting look to reveal to me. I wouldn't answer one question. 373 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: And but then you talked about the theater, and he 374 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:33,400 Speaker 1: talked about the theater. He would articulate about that quite 375 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: a bit. Oh that's interesting, So I want to ask 376 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: you about acting. It was so damn cold out there. 377 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 1: I saw all I remember. I am curious because you 378 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 1: have been both a professional actor and a professional celebrity 379 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:51,919 Speaker 1: for most of your adult life, and so you have 380 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 1: been acting in roles and being the persona of Alec 381 00:20:56,080 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 1: Baldwin when you are preparing, like I was thinking this weekend. 382 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:04,360 Speaker 1: So last night you're preparing to go on Saturday Night 383 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 1: Live as Bill O'Reilly and as President Donald Trump, and 384 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: then tonight you're preparing to open up your personal life 385 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 1: to all of these people who are here tonight. Don't 386 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 1: you like, is there a similar way that you prepare 387 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 1: or they totally different? I think it's a um that 388 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 1: don't be good to answer the questions without the bike, 389 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 1: but the the I think, uh uh, well, I mean, 390 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 1: you know, you go along and you and you have 391 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 1: a career, and of course you want a career like 392 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: many people I admire where the only way you could 393 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 1: access them is to buy a ticket, and they have 394 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:54,639 Speaker 1: certain things in the business they don't want to do. 395 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 1: You know, Daniel day Lewis is very elusive and he's 396 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: not doing Jimmy that one, you know. I mean, I 397 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 1: mean you can almost wonder what that conversation is like 398 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 1: where people are like, you know, so we've got this 399 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 1: idea with Daniel is going to come on the show, 400 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 1: right and he and Jim you gonna have like a 401 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 1: piety contest, okay, and like spending the pie I don't 402 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: is pie everywhere and it's like pie and Snott and pie. 403 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:20,679 Speaker 1: And you can see Daniel did it was on the 404 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 1: other end of his public going I don't think so. 405 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,199 Speaker 1: And there's like thing that those people won't do. And 406 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,640 Speaker 1: then that becomes the difference, which is you become someone 407 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 1: who will do those things where the promotional aspect of 408 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:36,119 Speaker 1: the film, but the promotional aspect of the film becomes 409 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 1: you performing in that capacity rather than you know, there's 410 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,919 Speaker 1: a lot of Nicholson won't do press Pcina when DeNiro 411 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,639 Speaker 1: avoided that a lot uh brand Do you look at 412 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 1: old shows from him on uh Cavot and he wasn't 413 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 1: gonna work very hard at all. You know, you can 414 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:57,400 Speaker 1: see Cavot like writhing in his seat trying to understand 415 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:01,120 Speaker 1: if if he's making any progress with opening up Brando. 416 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 1: And then in the modern world, you have this requirement 417 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: to promote the project and they'll come to you with 418 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 1: a very long list of things for you to do. 419 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,640 Speaker 1: They'll say, we would like you to pick some quotient 420 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 1: of this list of like and then it's like a 421 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: joke like a Cone Brothers movie. The piece of paper 422 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 1: like rolls all the way down the hallway and uh, 423 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 1: it's crazy and uh the and so you do some 424 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 1: because you want to be viewed as the good partner 425 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: in the business. You are working with them on a 426 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 1: venture where it's in all of our interests for the 427 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 1: thing to do well. And we're in a very crowded marketplace. 428 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 1: So you agree to spit the pie out with Jimmy 429 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:36,719 Speaker 1: on the show. And I love Jimmy and I love 430 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 1: doing those things. But that's what happened to me, was 431 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,399 Speaker 1: I kind of with that way where you're doing Letterman 432 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 1: and you're doing this and and to some degree it's 433 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 1: possible that from time to time that stuff can eclipse 434 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:51,399 Speaker 1: the actual work you're doing. It's it's it's it's more. Uh, 435 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 1: they get more hits and clicks on the internet. I 436 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,440 Speaker 1: mean more people will watch Saturday Night Live that pretty 437 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 1: much any movie I've ever made in my life, you 438 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: know what I mean. So it's weird. Does it take 439 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,959 Speaker 1: a similar amount of energy to perform Alec Baldwin as 440 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:12,159 Speaker 1: it does to perform a role for you. I guess 441 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 1: I don't know the answer to that question. Like I mean, 442 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 1: when you say perform me, I uh, it's it's strange because, 443 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: like you know, you people always have an expectation that 444 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,919 Speaker 1: you're going to contribute something in some way, you know. 445 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 1: I mean, I love going to the movies. I love 446 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 1: going to the theater. It's about somebody else and I 447 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:34,639 Speaker 1: don't have to do any of the talking, you know. 448 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 1: But the other thing that changes is that your passion 449 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,360 Speaker 1: for some of the work you do begins to change. 450 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 1: And you still love it, but you love it a 451 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 1: little less or you love it less often like movie making, 452 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:50,679 Speaker 1: you know, moviemaking is this incredibly time consuming. Uh you 453 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 1: know paint when we did thirty rock for six and 454 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 1: a half years, and there's a velocity to television a 455 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:56,919 Speaker 1: way of a Tina and I would say, you develop 456 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 1: a muscle which you begin to kind of appreciate how 457 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,879 Speaker 1: we have to make choices quickly and efficiently. And I 458 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,200 Speaker 1: always tell the same crazy story about like in the movies. 459 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: You'll do a movie sometimes and you can't believe the 460 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 1: level of indulgence. You know, I always say I did 461 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 1: this movie one time. And and there's a shot is 462 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:17,199 Speaker 1: of a is of a a door knob and the 463 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: and the director says, all right now, like in this scene, 464 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,679 Speaker 1: your hand comes into the shots and you reach the 465 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 1: door knob and you open the door, and inside the bathroom, 466 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,640 Speaker 1: Nicole is Nicole kidman like Nicole is in the shower, 467 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 1: out of focus in the distance, and action hand comes in. 468 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,159 Speaker 1: Open the door, open and cut all right now this 469 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 1: time open the door a little less maybe three inches 470 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 1: spent that it there's three inches four inches maybe somewhere 471 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 1: in there some range. And then show it to us please, 472 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:49,920 Speaker 1: and you're run about there. Open the run about there. 473 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:53,159 Speaker 1: That's great. Take four, Take five, Take six. Finally, okay, 474 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 1: have your hand come in, have your hand come out. 475 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 1: You're rethinking the whole thing. Then have your hand coming 476 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 1: hard to see that ten shoot in your hand. Your 477 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 1: hands trembling just a bit. There's attention, open little no, 478 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 1: you change your mind and we're doing this like this 479 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 1: is like the half a day before lunch, and in 480 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 1: the movies can be like this. This is very rare 481 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 1: now because movies are independent. Film have very strictive budgets. 482 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 1: But I remember I did movies where you know, we 483 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,639 Speaker 1: didn't get a lot done every day, and we shot 484 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 1: the movie for like four months, five months, and uh, 485 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,920 Speaker 1: that's not all that exciting because most of the day 486 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 1: is spent like just in an idle gear in your trailer, 487 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,920 Speaker 1: waiting for them to come and go, we're ready for you, 488 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: you know, and it's just uh, I didn't. I After 489 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 1: a while, I thought, what the funk am I doing 490 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 1: this year? So you have come back to New York, 491 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:55,920 Speaker 1: you're working on thirty Rock, you have gone through a 492 00:26:56,040 --> 00:27:01,400 Speaker 1: very public divorce and custody battle, and Vanity Fair describes 493 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: you as the bruised mascot of the male midlife crisis, 494 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 1: which was well put. I thought, they're very good at that, 495 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,919 Speaker 1: very good at that point in your life. Is that 496 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,479 Speaker 1: how it felt? I think I felt like I was 497 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 1: just not um uh, I was not finding things I 498 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,919 Speaker 1: wanted to do. Work wise. That was two thousand. I 499 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,920 Speaker 1: got separated and divorced in the early two thousand's and 500 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,119 Speaker 1: when you know, and I go along, and uh, you 501 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:37,399 Speaker 1: make independent films, and uh um. In the book, I 502 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,399 Speaker 1: take some of those independent films and I write a 503 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: little uh section about when you go into these films, 504 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:44,479 Speaker 1: why do you do them? There's a reason you do them. 505 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 1: They might not have the the the the markings to 506 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 1: be some great film, but you want to go to 507 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:53,199 Speaker 1: work and this is what you do when you and 508 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:56,119 Speaker 1: I did have some options that many then, so I 509 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 1: picked a movie and I say, this is a real opportunity. Here. 510 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,639 Speaker 1: You meet with a director, a writer, director in the 511 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,880 Speaker 1: modern world, and you think that he's a smart guy, 512 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 1: and you go do I list like twelve films that 513 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 1: I did that. You know, when you saw the film, 514 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,440 Speaker 1: you wondered what was I thinking when I did that film? 515 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,639 Speaker 1: But you kept working about how when we go into 516 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 1: nobody sets out to make a mediocre film. You I 517 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:20,640 Speaker 1: don't really mean that in a heartfelt way. You start 518 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 1: you you go when you say, let's give this everything 519 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 1: we have and uh and and and sometimes you're into it, 520 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,120 Speaker 1: like the second week of shooting and you're like, oh god, 521 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 1: what have I got myself into? You know, and it's 522 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,480 Speaker 1: not going You know, they're not you don't feel that creative. 523 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 1: When I did the movie The Cooler with Wayne Kramer. 524 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 1: Wayne was this just really really intoxicating guy. He was 525 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 1: just so smart and so passionate and so clear, and 526 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 1: uh he was the captain of the ship, which you 527 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 1: want with every director, and uh not all movies were 528 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 1: like that, you know. And uh, um the I come 529 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 1: to where I'm gonna do TV because I thought to myself, 530 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 1: you know, the opportunities and home are you know, if 531 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 1: I do one more movie or I just like, I 532 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 1: take that back, if I read one more script in 533 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 1: which you know, uh, Laura Durns my sister, and we're 534 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 1: gonna put Dad in a home. You know, it's an 535 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 1: independent comedy. And Lauren and I are like, you know, well, 536 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 1: first scene is gonna be pulled up at the She 537 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: picks me up at the airport in Buffalo, and we 538 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 1: haven't seen each other in like nine years, and I'm like, 539 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 1: you look good. How you been? Next thing, you know, 540 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 1: we're putting you know, Dad is like Philip Bosco. We're 541 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,479 Speaker 1: putting him in a home somewhere. You know, Lennon carry 542 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 1: you his dad, We're putting him in a home somewhere. 543 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 1: And I just kept reading the scripts, going what the 544 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 1: funk am I gonna do? And um, so I started 545 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 1: to develop TV and then Lauren flew in the superhero 546 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 1: he is and UH asked me to do thirty Rock. 547 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 1: I did the TV show with you, which you started 548 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 1: in two thousand six, and I You've written a whole 549 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 1: book about fatherhood and divorce and that time in your 550 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 1: life and the custody battle. But I want to just 551 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 1: ask you, at this point in your life, if a 552 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 1: buddy comes to you and says, I love my kids, 553 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 1: I think my marriage is breaking up, what's the advice 554 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,720 Speaker 1: that you give him. Well, I try to tell people 555 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 1: that if they can, I say, find a way that 556 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,480 Speaker 1: you can get into therapy and get into the collaborative divorce, 557 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 1: you know, the dignified divorce, because you're going to so 558 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 1: regret if you don't. And the I mean, I'm with 559 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 1: friends of mine who I'll say to them, you know, 560 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 1: are you out of this? I mean, this is if 561 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 1: they're good friends of mine. I don't say that to strangers. 562 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 1: I'm out in the airport bar going are you ready 563 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 1: for this to be over now? While Gwen's in the 564 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 1: ladies room. Her name is Gwen. Am I run? I 565 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,720 Speaker 1: don't know that you're good. I overheard you yelled Gwen 566 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 1: and uh and no, but I think you know like 567 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 1: I tell trying to tell my close friends or people 568 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 1: who want to have that conversation, I'm married again. My 569 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 1: wife is here, she's somewhere out there in this Uh, 570 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 1: she's somewhere out there in Brooklyn. And uh. Um And 571 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 1: everybody uh has their difference of opinion, and everybody has 572 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 1: their arguments and everybody has this. But to me, marriage 573 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 1: when you're with the right person, uh, and even that's 574 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 1: so guarantee. It's a decision. You decide to stay, and 575 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 1: you decide to try to make it work, and you 576 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 1: want to kind of feel out of the other person. 577 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 1: This is the can of worms, by the way, but 578 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: you want to find that if the other person has 579 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 1: the same kind of attitude of disposability that you have. 580 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 1: Like I have a friend of mine who was married 581 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 1: to is where they were together nine years. They were 582 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 1: married like five years, and she literally woke up one 583 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,040 Speaker 1: day and said, I've made a mistake and I'm leaving, 584 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 1: like boom Is shot him like in one day. And 585 00:31:55,560 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 1: he's overwhelmed with a confusion. And obviously, um, they didn't 586 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 1: have the same attitude about marriage that he thought they did. 587 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:09,240 Speaker 1: Has your attitude? How did you say it? The the 588 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 1: the attitude about disposability. Has that changed for you over 589 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 1: your adult life and your romantic life when you look back, Well, um, 590 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 1: I got married. I met my wife five six years ago. 591 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 1: We got married and very quickly we had three children 592 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:31,560 Speaker 1: in three years. Did you all hear that? Uh? You know, 593 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 1: thirty rock was over. I had a lot of time 594 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 1: in my hands and tell him a lot and uh 595 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,640 Speaker 1: the uh And you know, my wife, I'm very it's 596 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 1: a lot of luck. And I try to remember in 597 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 1: our in our lives, like what's my role? Which I 598 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 1: don't always fulfill my end of the bargain as well 599 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 1: as I might, But my role is to support her. 600 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 1: And I kind of accept that I me into in 601 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 1: order to make things ease. I mean, I love my children. 602 00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 1: I worshiped my children. But as my dad taught me parents, 603 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 1: who does a contest between two people where the dad 604 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 1: always wins the bronze medal? And my wife is you 605 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 1: know the moment my wife walks in the door and 606 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 1: my kids are like, yeah, that's great, to see you later. 607 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 1: But but my job is to be there to try 608 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 1: to help reparent our children together. But she is the 609 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 1: mom and I'm lucky. That was my point, I'm I got. 610 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 1: I got very lucky, and luck plays a big partner. Well, 611 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 1: it's to read back interviews. Before you met your wife. 612 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,960 Speaker 1: You were very open that a dream that you had 613 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 1: was to to just try to have a family again, 614 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 1: that you prayed boy did that dream country? How did 615 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,480 Speaker 1: your I mean you are living a full, unmarried life 616 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:54,160 Speaker 1: in New York City. Star was unhappy. I was unhappy 617 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 1: that I know you were waiting for the moment I 618 00:33:55,440 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 1: was gonna I take Anna sale. My guess is Anna say, 619 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,400 Speaker 1: the host of Death, Sex and Money. How long have 620 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,800 Speaker 1: you been married. I've been married a year and a half. 621 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:11,239 Speaker 1: And you met your husband and you knew each other. 622 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:15,440 Speaker 1: How long we got together? In so, we were together 623 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,400 Speaker 1: four years before we got married. You've met him in 624 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,880 Speaker 1: recent years? Oh yeah, yeah, I was. It was my 625 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 1: second marriage. Wow. Yeah, huh. I learned some things in 626 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,279 Speaker 1: the ensuing years. So that's why I wanted to know 627 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:36,160 Speaker 1: from you about about Like so you think back on 628 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:40,000 Speaker 1: that time when you were having success on television. You've 629 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,359 Speaker 1: turned around your career after feeling like things hadn't quite 630 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 1: worked out with with movies, and then you're a star 631 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,680 Speaker 1: on thirty Rock. This critically acclaimed show. You're winning Emmy's, 632 00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,560 Speaker 1: you're winning Golden Globes, and you felt lonely. That's how 633 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:53,239 Speaker 1: you remember. I went home and had a pint of 634 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 1: ice cream every night and watched Turner classic movies. It's 635 00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,239 Speaker 1: all by myself. I was didn't meet me. I mean, 636 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 1: I've met people, ID aided and I met people. I 637 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:02,960 Speaker 1: did it. I had a run of time with this 638 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,040 Speaker 1: one or that one, and none of it. I was 639 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:07,799 Speaker 1: willing to commit, by the way, because I didn't want 640 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,279 Speaker 1: to my older daughter to think I was abandoning her. 641 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:12,880 Speaker 1: Many people said to me, but they said, you be 642 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:14,960 Speaker 1: careful that your daughter will view you moving on as 643 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:18,320 Speaker 1: an abandonment of your daughter. So I kept pushing away 644 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,040 Speaker 1: any formalized commitment with people. And then finally when my 645 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,719 Speaker 1: daughter turned and all kind of came together. My daughter 646 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:31,480 Speaker 1: was eighteen, actually she was fifteen, uh sixteen, she was 647 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,560 Speaker 1: sixteen when I met my my wife, Hilaria, and all 648 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,400 Speaker 1: of it just developed at the same time, where like 649 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,680 Speaker 1: I met somebody who I thought, oh my god, I 650 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:42,240 Speaker 1: think it would be a horrible act of self robbery 651 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,480 Speaker 1: if I didn't try to pursue this on some level. 652 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,440 Speaker 1: So you know, we got married. But but before I 653 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:52,360 Speaker 1: met my wife, and I was I was cutting every ribbon. 654 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:54,279 Speaker 1: I was going to, like, you want to do the 655 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,919 Speaker 1: auction for the Sheep's Head Babe book of the Month 656 00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:02,960 Speaker 1: club they needed here. I was like, we have five dollars. 657 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,840 Speaker 1: We have five dollars for this frame picture of Jerry 658 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,480 Speaker 1: Lewis five dollars. And I'm like going to every auction. 659 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,239 Speaker 1: I'm going to every event and hosting, and I'm out 660 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,520 Speaker 1: every night because I don't have anybody at home waiting 661 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:18,560 Speaker 1: for me. And I just kept um keeping busy and 662 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:22,799 Speaker 1: working and uh. And then I met my wife. And 663 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:24,680 Speaker 1: now you have the opposite. You're doing a lot of auctioning. 664 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,120 Speaker 1: Before you met your husband, I was out more. Yeah. 665 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,600 Speaker 1: And now I have a small child and I'm home 666 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,440 Speaker 1: a lot. I'm home a lot now. So I'm how 667 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:37,160 Speaker 1: now you come home you have three little kids? What's 668 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:41,279 Speaker 1: that like? What was that transition like? Uh, well, it's 669 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,440 Speaker 1: it's it's wild. You know. We had the first kid, 670 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:45,799 Speaker 1: We had a daughter, Carmen, that was great. We had 671 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:49,200 Speaker 1: our son that was great. Uh, and and then we 672 00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,160 Speaker 1: have a third kid and it's uh, it's you know, 673 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,160 Speaker 1: everything becomes cirked to so late and it was your 674 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,920 Speaker 1: whole house is like, you know, we had a nice apartment. 675 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:57,560 Speaker 1: And I had a dear friend of mine come overhead 676 00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,120 Speaker 1: and seen her in years and she was up from 677 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,840 Speaker 1: Washington and she comes in and said, and you literally 678 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:05,440 Speaker 1: can't imagine. You're like, uh, you're you're there turning to 679 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:07,719 Speaker 1: someone and you can't believe you have a life where 680 00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:09,919 Speaker 1: you say this line. You're like, I'm sorry, I don't 681 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,160 Speaker 1: have a really really comfortable place for you to sit down, 682 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,320 Speaker 1: you know, because the kid's toys are everywhere and everything. 683 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:17,920 Speaker 1: And my friend looked at me, she was, I get it. 684 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,560 Speaker 1: It's a preschool. Your apartment as a preschool. But we 685 00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:24,840 Speaker 1: have three kids, and uh, the great journey is watching them. 686 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,080 Speaker 1: Our daughter, Carmen is she's a talk show host. I 687 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,840 Speaker 1: mean she is really so verbal, and uh, you know, 688 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,160 Speaker 1: you sit there, you you you're there in that moment 689 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,120 Speaker 1: where you come around the corner in the kitchen and 690 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,640 Speaker 1: she's staring up at the refrigerator like it's the Monolith 691 00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:43,480 Speaker 1: and two thousand one of Space Odyssey, and she sees 692 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:44,560 Speaker 1: you look at it, and she looks at me and 693 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,880 Speaker 1: she goes, she goes I'm not going to eat the chocolate. 694 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:51,960 Speaker 1: I'm just protecting the chocolate. She's three and a half. 695 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:56,200 Speaker 1: You just kind of standing there and go, who are you? 696 00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:05,520 Speaker 1: Where did you come from? That's Alec Baldwin talking with 697 00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,359 Speaker 1: me and a sale. You can find more episodes of 698 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,200 Speaker 1: my show, Death, Sex and Money wherever you get your 699 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:15,640 Speaker 1: podcast iTunes, Spotify, or at Death Sex Money dot Org. 700 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,120 Speaker 1: One more thing, Alec told me his father and grandfather 701 00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,480 Speaker 1: were also named Alexander, and they both went by Alet. 702 00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:27,760 Speaker 1: So growing up, the youngest Alexander Baldwin was called Xander. 703 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,600 Speaker 1: Alex told me there are still a few people who 704 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:34,600 Speaker 1: call him that, especially in his hometown of Massapequa, Long Island. 705 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:36,960 Speaker 1: This is one guy I grew up with. His name 706 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,640 Speaker 1: is Greg Maun and his mother was this character out 707 00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:42,800 Speaker 1: of a Sidney Kingsley novel. You know. She was just 708 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,880 Speaker 1: this really New York kind of woman with a cigarette 709 00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,920 Speaker 1: our mouth. They had a clothes line in the backyard. 710 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:51,719 Speaker 1: She hanged the laundry of the yard. You know, when 711 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:53,839 Speaker 1: this is suburban Long Island. I think I went out 712 00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,640 Speaker 1: there about six or seven years ago. So we uh 713 00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,120 Speaker 1: were driving by and I pull up to the man's house, 714 00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,799 Speaker 1: and there's Mrs Mom with a cigarette in her mouth, 715 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:06,840 Speaker 1: hanging out the laundry to say, nothing's change. Me and 716 00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,080 Speaker 1: her sons were all in our fifties and she has 717 00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:10,840 Speaker 1: like a basket of laundry. And I pulled up and 718 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:14,239 Speaker 1: I go Mrs Moan, and from like sixty yards or 719 00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:18,440 Speaker 1: where you know, sixty ft away she goes, Zen the Baldwin, 720 00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:22,200 Speaker 1: what are you doing here?