1 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: Welcome to tech Stuff, a production from I Heart Radio. 2 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff. I'm your host, 3 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:18,280 Speaker 1: Jonathan Strickland. I'm an executive producer with I Heart Radio 4 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 1: and a love of all things tech. And this is 5 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: the tech Stuff News episode for February second, two thousand, 6 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: twenty one, eight cues day as I am led to understand. 7 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: Our top story for today's episode goes back to the 8 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:40,240 Speaker 1: ongoing drama with Wall Street hedge funds and a group 9 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: of independent investors using platforms like Discord and Reddit to 10 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 1: organize and drive up share prices for companies like game Stop. 11 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 1: So as a quick reminder, the subreddit Wall Street bets 12 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: took up the cause of buying shares of game Stop 13 00:00:56,600 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 1: in an effort to counteract how some hedge fund companies 14 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: were attempting to short sell that stock. Short Selling is 15 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: when you borrow shares from somebody else, a different investor, 16 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 1: and you sell those shares that are not yours at 17 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 1: market value. Then you hope the price goes down so 18 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: that you can swoop in and you know, buy back 19 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: those borrowed shares for less than what you sold them for, 20 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: and then you return the borrowed shares to the person 21 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 1: you borrowed them from, and you get to pocket the difference. 22 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 1: The Internet crusaders are buying up stocks, which makes the 23 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:34,039 Speaker 1: stock price go higher, and that starts to pressure those 24 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: investors and companies that were attempting to short the stock, 25 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:40,679 Speaker 1: because the higher the stock price goes, the more money 26 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 1: those investors will lose when it comes time to buy 27 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:47,119 Speaker 1: back shares and return them to the parties that they 28 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: borrow them from. The Motivations for this action among these 29 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: independent investors varies and ranges from those who are hoping 30 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: they can get rich quick by jumping on a trend 31 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: those be kind of like speculators to those who harbor 32 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 1: a grudge against the hedge funds in general, which typically 33 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:10,799 Speaker 1: represent the interests of people who are, let me see, 34 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: let me check my notes here, um right, filthy rich, 35 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: like really filthy rich. So a short squeeze is a 36 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: way to really stick it to these funds, which could 37 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 1: stand to lose billions of dollars as a consequence. In fact, 38 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 1: that has already happened with a couple of these hedge 39 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: funds that have tried to cut their losses and get 40 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 1: out before they saw even more money lost because with 41 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 1: a short sell. The higher that market price goes, the 42 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 1: more money the short sellers are going to lose when 43 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 1: it comes time to return that stock. There's no limit 44 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: to how much money they can lose, because the stock 45 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:51,920 Speaker 1: price can just keep going up, up, up and up. 46 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: There's no there's no bottom there. However, this all hinges 47 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 1: on the investors being able to buy up those shares 48 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 1: of games Op as those shares are hitting the market 49 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 1: in order to keep this trend going, and that's getting 50 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 1: harder to do. Last Thursday, the day of our last 51 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 1: news episode, in fact, the mobile stocks trading app robin 52 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: Hood angered users when it put a temporary block on them, 53 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: preventing them from buying shares in various companies that the 54 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:24,639 Speaker 1: Internet investors had targeted, including game Stop, but also including 55 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: some other companies like AMC Theaters. Uh. They could still 56 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: sell stocks, but they couldn't buy them now. At one point, 57 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: robin Hood had a buying ban on fifty different companies, 58 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 1: though as of Monday, February one, that list has been 59 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: whittled down to eight, and yet game Stop is still 60 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: on that list. The move prompted users to point out 61 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: the inherent irony that a company naming itself after the 62 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 1: legendary character Robin Hood, who literally robbed from the rich 63 00:03:56,560 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: to give to the poor, was preventing average investors from 64 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 1: you know, doing the equivalent action in the modern day 65 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: through the stock market. Investors have filed numerous lawsuits, like 66 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 1: more than thirty of them at the federal level against 67 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: the company. At the heart of the issue is what 68 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: led robin Hood to level that ban on users. It 69 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: doesn't help robin Hood's case that among its sources of 70 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 1: revenue is a hedge fund called Citadel, leading some to 71 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 1: speculate that robin Hood was facing pressure from revenue sources 72 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:33,480 Speaker 1: that stood to lose a lot of money if they 73 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 1: were caught up in a short squeeze. Citadel, for its part, 74 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:40,720 Speaker 1: denies that it played any role in robin Hood's decision making. 75 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 1: This is building into a pretty compelling narrative that may 76 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 1: or may not be realistic, and the narrative goes like this, 77 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:51,720 Speaker 1: hedge funds that are attempting to short sell companies aren't 78 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:54,799 Speaker 1: just betting that those companies shares are going to drop 79 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: in price. These hedge funds, according to the narrative, actively 80 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 1: campai Hayne for that to happen. So, in other words, 81 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 1: the independence the investors on the sub credit in Wall 82 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 1: Street bets are saying that these big hedge funds are 83 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: using leverage and market forces to help companies fail and 84 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: then they reap in rewards through this short selling practice. 85 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: These companies may or may not have failed on their own, 86 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 1: but the story that the investors are telling is that 87 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 1: the hedge funds are actively working to cause companies to 88 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 1: fail with only an eye on profit and no care 89 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 1: about the consequences of failed company brings along with it, 90 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 1: including the consequences to that company's employees and its customers. 91 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 1: And so turning a short cell around on these hedge 92 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: funds is being portrayed within these communities as an act 93 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:49,279 Speaker 1: of heroism. That buying up the stock isn't meant to 94 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:51,799 Speaker 1: be a way to turn these investors into wealthy people. 95 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: You're not supposed to be buying it to make money, 96 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: but rather as a way to act as a check 97 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:59,600 Speaker 1: on these hedge funds so they can't set out to 98 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: them these companies just for profit. Now, I would suggest 99 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 1: that this narrative, while a good one, isn't necessarily the 100 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: whole truth of the matter. I think there's a lot 101 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: of it in there. I think a lot of truth 102 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: is in that narrative, but I also think there are 103 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 1: a lot of other complicating factors at play. One of 104 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 1: those is that sometimes a short cell is really just 105 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 1: a short sell. It's not an attempt to make a 106 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:29,280 Speaker 1: company fail. Sometimes companies are just in a bad place, 107 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 1: and sometimes the short cell recommendations are kind of an indicator, 108 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 1: a warning flag, and it tells other investors who might 109 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: have shares in those companies that maybe they want to 110 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 1: protect their money and they should probably sell off those 111 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:48,599 Speaker 1: shares if in fact that company really is in danger. 112 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:53,919 Speaker 1: It's not manufactured danger, it's something is wrong with that company. 113 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 1: And then there are the ripple effects of these kind 114 00:06:56,720 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: of events, which can cause further market disruption. I think that, 115 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 1: as in most things in life, the situation is actually 116 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 1: really complicated. There are no cut and dried heroes or villains. 117 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: But speaking from my own personal standpoint, it is way 118 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 1: easier for me to side with the people who are 119 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: not billionaires. I'm just saying. Also a full disclosure, I 120 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 1: don't own any stock in any of these companies. In 121 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: related news, that narrative I was just talking about really 122 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 1: must be compelling, because Deadline, that is, the news journal 123 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 1: that covers all things Hollywood, reports that MGM has acquired 124 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 1: rights to a book proposal. Not a book, but our 125 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 1: proposal for a book called The Antisocial Network by Ben Meseric. 126 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: The book, as I'm sure you have all guessed, will 127 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: be about this game stop share price, saga and Wall 128 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 1: Street bets and hedge funds, and about the story of 129 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: independent investors on the and it who are taking aim 130 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: at the big entrenched, fat cat hedge fund managers. Meseric 131 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 1: proposed the book and his agent was able to shop 132 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 1: around the proposal, not even a manuscript, and nothing's been 133 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: fully written out yet, and boom, MGM options it for 134 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: a movie. Now, folks, both of my parents are published authors, 135 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: and I just have to say, this is not the 136 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 1: way things typically work. Now that being said, Meseric already 137 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 1: has a track record. He wrote the book that would 138 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 1: become the inspiration for the film The Social Network, you know, 139 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 1: the Academy Award winning movie. So do keep that in 140 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:41,680 Speaker 1: mind that while this means that MGM has the rights 141 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 1: to make a movie about this idea for a book, 142 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 1: it doesn't necessarily guarantee that a movie will ever actually 143 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: come out. Now. If it does, it's gonna take some 144 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: time for that to happen. I mean, it hasn't even 145 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: been written yet, let alone had a director attached or 146 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 1: cast it or gone into pre production or anything. And 147 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 1: between now and whenever all that stuff can happen, a 148 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 1: lot more might evolve, and we might see a lot 149 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 1: more happened during the fallout of this initial story. So 150 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:13,079 Speaker 1: I can't promise you that in a year or two 151 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 1: you'll be watching something like I don't know, Tom Holland 152 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 1: leading a group of upstart investors online against someone like 153 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 1: I don't know, let's say, Richard Dreyfuss representing the head 154 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: of a hedge fund. Clearly I should be the casting 155 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 1: director for this movie, is what I'm saying. Now that 156 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 1: I say it all out loud, I kind of want 157 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:35,680 Speaker 1: to see it. Well, let's stick with the Hollywood approach 158 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: to the tech world, or at least, in this case, 159 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 1: the tech adjacent world. The Hollywood Reporter says that Apple 160 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 1: TV is producing a series called We Crashed all one word, 161 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: big W, big C. We Crashed, based off a podcast 162 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 1: from Wondering about the Real Estate Slash kind of sort 163 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: of but not really tech company we Work, or to 164 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 1: be more specific, the A WE Company, which is the 165 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 1: parent company to we Work, along with a couple of 166 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: related ventures. You know, that's the company that would get 167 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 1: hold of office space in various markets and then rent 168 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:17,559 Speaker 1: that office space out to various freelancers and companies that 169 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: didn't already have a physical space of their own. The 170 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 1: Hollywood Reporter says that Jared Leto has been cast as 171 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: Adam Neuman and and Hathaway will be Rebecca Noyman and 172 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: the Noyman's are leaders in the Wee Company, or at 173 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 1: least they used to be, with Adam as the former 174 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: CEO of the Wee Company, and Rebecca was a and 175 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 1: still is a founding partner fund bit of trivia here. 176 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: Rebecca is also cousin to Gwyneth Paltrow. And it seems 177 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: like some of the more new Agish wacky beliefs run 178 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 1: in that family. Okay, I admit it, that is unfair. 179 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 1: They don't run in the family. They positively gallop to 180 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: steal a joke from arsenic and old lace. Adam Neuman 181 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: previously made millions of dollars by buying up real estate 182 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 1: and then least those buildings too We Work, you know, 183 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: the company he was CEO of when the Weed Company 184 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,679 Speaker 1: filed for an i p O in two thousand nineteen. 185 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 1: The filing contained a lot of unusual stuff in it, 186 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 1: like an inscrutable hierarchy diagram that had companies nested inside 187 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: other companies and no real useful information inside of it. 188 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 1: There was also a succession plan that seemed more geared 189 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 1: toward making the We Company a Neuman dynasty rather than 190 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 1: you know, an independent company. I would do a full 191 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: episode about the We Company and its trials and tribulations, 192 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 1: including how that i p O never actually happened, how 193 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: Adam Nouman was pressured by the board of directors to 194 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 1: step down, complete with a nearly two billion dollar exit package, 195 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 1: and how the company's valuation has plummeted by nearly since 196 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 1: that planned i p O. But for one thing, We Work, 197 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: despite the way it branded and marketed itself, is not 198 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 1: really a tech company. And for another, if you want 199 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 1: to read an incredible account about that i p O, 200 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: you need to go to the Verge and read Elizabeth 201 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 1: Lapado's article We Work isn't a tech company, It's a 202 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 1: soap opera. Because that article is equally informative and wildly entertaining. 203 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 1: I highly recommend it. And I'll conclude this segment of 204 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 1: our news episode with an update on the ongoing story 205 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 1: about employees at Google attempting to unionize. I mentioned last 206 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: week that the Alphabet Workers Union or a w U, 207 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 1: which is really hard to say because of that WU combination. 208 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 1: Can I just say triple you just make it easier? Anyway, 209 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:59,199 Speaker 1: the a WU announced it was joining an international alliance 210 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: of unions connected to Google called Alpha Global, this being 211 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 1: unions all around the world that are related to Google 212 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 1: or Alphabet. The problem is that the United States members 213 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: of this organization said they didn't know about any alliance 214 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:18,719 Speaker 1: until after the announcement of it had been published by 215 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: The Verge, and that meant they didn't have a chance 216 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 1: to vote on the matter, or even consider it, or 217 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 1: even be told about it. What's more, the press release 218 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: cited by The Verge had comments attributed to a WU leader, 219 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 1: Poole Cool, who says she never actually made the comments 220 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 1: that appear in the press release. What followed was confusion, 221 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: and along with confusion came some mistrust, which is, you know, 222 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 1: pretty common and if you can't trust democratically elected leaders 223 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:52,680 Speaker 1: to actually represent those who elected those leaders. Everything falls apart, 224 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 1: which really we're seeing play out in arenas much larger 225 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 1: than the a WU, But we'll leave it at that. 226 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 1: Part of the problem appears to be that the Communications 227 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 1: Workers of America or c w A, pushed out that 228 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 1: press release prematurely and with a false attribution to cool 229 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 1: regarding those comments. Now there are discussions within the a 230 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 1: WU about whether the union should disassociate from the c 231 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 1: w A entirely, and the person responsible for the press 232 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 1: release is no longer working with the a WU teams. 233 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 1: If I were making a bird's eye view observation, I 234 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 1: would say it looks like those organizing the union are 235 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 1: relying heavily on other organizations that have proven to be 236 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: a bad match, and that this in turn has actually 237 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: threatened the formation of the union itself. I'm sure I'll 238 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: be returning to the story again in the future. My 239 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 1: hope is that they are able to continue their efforts 240 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 1: to unionize. But when we see stuff like this happen, 241 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:58,239 Speaker 1: it really can cause a great deal of damage, particularly 242 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 1: in trust. I mean, you're asking impl yease to trust 243 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: that the union will take care of them When something 244 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 1: like this happens that trust gets eroded. We've got a 245 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: lot more stories to talk about in today's episode, but 246 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: first let's take a quick break. We're back. Did you 247 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 1: guys know there was a pandemic going on? Well, it 248 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 1: continues to be a dominating force for news in general, 249 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 1: and one of the stories here in the United States 250 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 1: has been about how badly the country has handled the 251 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 1: process of distributing and administering vaccines. It's a pretty big mess, 252 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 1: with each state in the country largely left to determine 253 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: its own processes and there being a general lack of 254 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 1: clarity across the nation. For example, here in Georgia, we 255 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 1: are in what is called Phase one A plus, meaning 256 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 1: the state is currently administering the vaccine to healthcare workers, 257 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: long term care facilities, citizens who are sixty five or older, 258 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 1: and their caregivers and first responders. After that will come 259 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 1: Phase one B, which includes essential workers, then one C, 260 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 1: which will include people who have, you know, medical conditions 261 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 1: that increase the risk of them contracting a severe case 262 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: of COVID nineteen, and then presumably will come the rest 263 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: of us. But there's no actual timeline associated with that plan. 264 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: There's just a description of phases, but it doesn't even 265 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 1: have a prediction of when will move from Phase one 266 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: A plus to Phase one B. You can search to 267 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: see where you could go to get vaccinated, but that 268 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that you would be eligible for a vaccination. 269 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 1: You just know where the locations are that are administering vaccines. 270 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 1: So that's about it. Now, that's just Georgia and every 271 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 1: state in the US is different. But Georgia is also 272 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 1: home for the Centers for Disease Control or c d C, 273 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 1: and the c d C has played a big part 274 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 1: in why the vaccine rollout has not gone so smoothly 275 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:11,680 Speaker 1: for thousands and thousands of people. And this is what 276 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 1: relates it to technology. It's because of a website called 277 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 1: the Vaccine Administration Management System or VAMS v A m S. 278 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:25,479 Speaker 1: So this was developed for the princely sum of forty 279 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:29,880 Speaker 1: four million dollars. According to the m I T Technology Review, 280 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 1: numerous states that had planned to lean on VAMS as 281 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 1: the official way to manage vaccine rollout didn't go so well. 282 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 1: Things have gone pear shaped. A lot of people have 283 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:45,159 Speaker 1: reported various bugs or glitches in the system that have 284 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:49,440 Speaker 1: failed to actually make appointments with facilities. So a patient 285 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: goes on VAMS, goes through the process of making an appointment, 286 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 1: appears to be confirmed for that appointment, they go and 287 00:17:56,800 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 1: show up to the physical location, and that's when are told, hey, 288 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 1: we have no record of you. There's no actual appointment 289 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:06,360 Speaker 1: on our books, so we can't see you. In other cases, 290 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 1: the system appears to cancel appointments without rhyme or reason, 291 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: although the c d C says this is due not 292 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:18,639 Speaker 1: to a flaw in VAMS but rather user error. Uh. 293 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 1: There are also reports that it locks people out as 294 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 1: they try to use the system, or it only locks 295 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:27,400 Speaker 1: them in as a patient, not an administrator, and that's 296 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: a big problem for those who are trying to actually 297 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 1: administer the system. You know, it's also not just about 298 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:38,199 Speaker 1: creating appointments, but but managing that information and tracking that 299 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 1: information so you know who has received the vaccine, who 300 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 1: needs to come in for a follow up, all that 301 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 1: sort of stuff. So it's really a failure of the 302 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 1: whole system. And the whole point of VAMS was to 303 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 1: take the burden off of individual states so that they 304 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 1: didn't have to build out their own management systems. But 305 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 1: these various issues have led a lot of states to 306 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:00,919 Speaker 1: kind of do that anyway, rather than rely on something 307 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:06,239 Speaker 1: that other states have said has been a pretty big mess. 308 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 1: Some local governments, like counting governments in Florida, have even 309 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 1: repurposed online services like event bright. You know the website 310 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 1: you would use in order to send out invitations to 311 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 1: your kid's birthday party. They're using that in order to 312 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: make appointments, which, y'all, that is messed up. Moreover, the 313 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 1: m I T piece, which is titled What Went Wrong 314 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 1: with America's forty four million dollar Vaccine Data System, lays 315 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 1: out more problems. For example, the layout of the vam's site, 316 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 1: even when it's working correctly, doesn't sound like it was 317 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 1: made to be friendly for senior patients, and since seniors 318 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:46,719 Speaker 1: are the early focus of a lot of the vaccine programs, 319 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:49,479 Speaker 1: that's a huge problem. And it also points out the 320 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 1: overall issue of creating systems that are accessible to a 321 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: wide audience. This stuff is important. There are companies that 322 00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:00,680 Speaker 1: have entire departments dedicated to this kind of stuff, and 323 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: as the peace in the m I T Technology Review 324 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:07,920 Speaker 1: points out, there's a real problem with the procurement process 325 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 1: when government offices are selecting companies to carry out these 326 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 1: big projects, and that the process itself can eliminate a 327 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:19,359 Speaker 1: lot of different valid choices from consideration. Even if those 328 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:23,159 Speaker 1: choices are more suitable. They may be more suitable, but 329 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,920 Speaker 1: because they don't fit these other criteria that are required 330 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:31,880 Speaker 1: in the procurement process, they aren't even eligible for consideration. Clearly, 331 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 1: managing such a massive effort is a huge challenge, and 332 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 1: they are bound to be big problems along the way, 333 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 1: But it seems like these challenges are made all the 334 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 1: more difficult because of the nature of how the US 335 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:47,880 Speaker 1: government partners with the private sector in general, and the 336 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 1: tech sector in particular. By the way this sort of 337 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:55,119 Speaker 1: thing is nonpartisan. We see messages like this no matter 338 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:58,920 Speaker 1: who happens to be in charge, because the policies themselves 339 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 1: are so restrictive that it almost doesn't make a difference 340 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 1: whether or not you have a conservative administration in power 341 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: or a liberal one. The policies themselves persist, and that 342 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 1: ends up being an issue. And speaking of the US government, 343 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:20,680 Speaker 1: one of the effects of an administration changing hands is 344 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 1: that sometimes long term projects get disrupted, and one of 345 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 1: those projects appears to be NASA's planned returned to the 346 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:32,159 Speaker 1: Moon under former President Trump. NASA was to aim to 347 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:36,159 Speaker 1: get astronauts back on the Moon by four, including the 348 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 1: first woman astronaut to go to the Moon. Now, that 349 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 1: timeline was pretty ambitious and aggressive. I wouldn't go so 350 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,919 Speaker 1: far as to say it was impossible, but it was 351 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 1: going to be really hard to do and really expensive, 352 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 1: and there is uncertainty about where the plan now stands. 353 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:59,119 Speaker 1: In the wake of Joe Biden winning the US presidency. 354 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,679 Speaker 1: With a new ends stration in charge, there are questions 355 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 1: about whether NASA will get the funding needed to stay 356 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 1: on target, particularly for that goal. We're already seeing some 357 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 1: results of this, with NASA pushing back when it will 358 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: announce lunar lander contracts. Originally, NASA was to announce which 359 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 1: two of the three companies that had been under consideration 360 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:25,160 Speaker 1: would be awarded a pair of contracts for lunar landers, 361 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: so one contract per company. We don't know which of 362 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,399 Speaker 1: which two of the three we're going to get these. 363 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 1: We were supposed to find out later this month in February. 364 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: Now NASA has told the contractors that the announcement has 365 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 1: been pushed back to April. This was probably a necessary step. 366 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 1: The agency had requested a budget of three point two 367 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 1: billion dollars in order to stay the course. But in 368 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 1: December twenty twenty, Congress approved a much more modest budget 369 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 1: of eight hundred fifty million dollars. And yeah, it feels 370 00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 1: weird to call eight hundred fifty million dollars honest, but 371 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 1: then we are also talking about trying to keep people 372 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 1: alive and safe as we shoot them off to the Moon, 373 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 1: and that ain't cheap. We're still waiting to hear who 374 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 1: the Biden administration will choose to head up the agency 375 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 1: and what priorities the administration will stress. It's all but 376 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,160 Speaker 1: certain that the Artemis project of returning to the Moon 377 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 1: is going to get pushed back beyond if it sticks 378 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:26,199 Speaker 1: around as an official project in the first place. And 379 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 1: I have mixed feelings about this. On the one hand, 380 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 1: I feel like the initial timeline was probably unrealistic and 381 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:36,160 Speaker 1: you really have to define what are your goals besides 382 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:42,400 Speaker 1: just going there. Going there's great, it's really a fantastic achievement. 383 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 1: I don't want to downplay that, but is that the 384 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: best use of resources? Uh? But on the other hand, 385 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,439 Speaker 1: I also think that a Moon mission does have a 386 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 1: lot of potential. You can find ways to perhaps harvest 387 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,399 Speaker 1: resources from the moon, though that's a very delicate matter. 388 00:23:58,040 --> 00:23:59,640 Speaker 1: You have to figure out a way of doing that. 389 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:05,400 Speaker 1: It isn't too damaging or dangerous or we'll have long 390 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:10,119 Speaker 1: lasting consequences. But then you can also pursue a challenge 391 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:14,919 Speaker 1: that would undoubtedly inspire countless others to really dream big 392 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 1: and become the next generation of pilots and engineers and scientists. 393 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,119 Speaker 1: That's a that's a big thing in itself. So, like 394 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 1: I said, I do feel uh complicated about this. Moving on, Microsoft, 395 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:30,959 Speaker 1: which has managed to dodge a bullet in the United 396 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 1: States as the US government has discussed the fate of 397 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:38,160 Speaker 1: big companies like Facebook, Amazon, Google, and Apple, is going 398 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:42,640 Speaker 1: under the magnifying glass. Over in the EU, antitrust regulators 399 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 1: have until March five to decide if Microsoft's proposed acquisition 400 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: of ZeniMax Media is acceptable or if the EU regulators 401 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:55,120 Speaker 1: will prevent it or require concessions before the acquisition can 402 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 1: move forward. As it stands, the deal is valued at 403 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 1: seven and a half billion dollars. Holy cow, makes that 404 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:06,680 Speaker 1: forty four million dollar website really look like small potatoes, right, 405 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,880 Speaker 1: So what is it that zenni Max does? I mean, 406 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,639 Speaker 1: it's got to be important for that kind of money, right, Well, 407 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 1: Zenny Max is the parent company of Bethesda, the video 408 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 1: game studio responsible for things like the older Scrolls games, 409 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 1: the Fallout titles, and the Doom titles. Though the story 410 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: is behind Fallout and Doom stretch back to other studios 411 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 1: before Bethesda. But that's that's a matter for a different episode. 412 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 1: And yeah, video games are a huge business, and I 413 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 1: don't want to downplay that. It's just one of those 414 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 1: weird facts of life that I really find bizarre that 415 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 1: we're talking about money for a video game company acquisition 416 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:48,400 Speaker 1: that is orders of magnitude larger than the money that's 417 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 1: put forward as part of an effort to administer vaccines 418 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 1: against a deadly pandemic. But that's enough of me on 419 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 1: my soapbox. I get it, you all don't need to 420 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:03,360 Speaker 1: hear it. If Microsoft's acquisition can move forward, it will 421 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 1: put the company on more equal footing with Sony and 422 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 1: the PlayStation platform. For a long time, one of the 423 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 1: big strengths PlayStation has had against the Xbox platform is 424 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 1: a list of really good exclusive titles. Now there's a 425 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 1: chance Microsoft would be able to create new titles with 426 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 1: Bethesda's work that tie in with those those big popular 427 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 1: franchises and have them be exclusive to Xbox in the 428 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 1: Windows platform, as long as they don't end up like 429 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 1: Fallout seventy six, which the Gaming World at Largest categorized 430 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:39,680 Speaker 1: as a let's see here says here a total disaster. Now, 431 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 1: it's more likely that the games will still be available 432 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 1: for Sony's console, but that Microsoft will then include them 433 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,639 Speaker 1: with their Xbox Game Pass service. That's one of the 434 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 1: big selling points for the Xbox series of consoles. Essentially, 435 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 1: you subscribe to that and you get access to dozens 436 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 1: of different video games idols that are included in the 437 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 1: subscription price, so you don't have to pay extra to 438 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 1: get access to them. So that's probably where this is going. 439 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 1: And and and honestly, that's kind of the best of 440 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 1: all worlds because Microsoft can still make money selling games 441 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 1: that are going for a competitor's console while they also 442 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,200 Speaker 1: build up the library of games in their own exclusive 443 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 1: subscription service. It's kind of a no brainer, really. And 444 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 1: we have a couple of short Facebook stories to mention. 445 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,200 Speaker 1: Three of them actually. First up is the newly appointed 446 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:36,239 Speaker 1: Oversight Board at Facebook. This is an independent group that 447 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:40,879 Speaker 1: is reviewing Facebook's moderation policies. Ours Technica reports that this 448 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:45,880 Speaker 1: group recently ruled against four of the five substantive rulings 449 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 1: that Facebook provided them, and reading over these rulings, I'm 450 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: kind of floored. It's five different cases in which Facebook 451 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 1: chose to remove a post for the interpretation of the 452 00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 1: post violating Facebook's rules, and the board agreed with four 453 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 1: of those five decisions. But I'm not sure that I 454 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,159 Speaker 1: fully agree with the board in every case. Though to 455 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 1: be fair, I'm working from summaries of what these cases were. 456 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,879 Speaker 1: I don't have the full context, but it really illustrates 457 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,920 Speaker 1: how complicated moderation actually is and why it requires a 458 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,119 Speaker 1: lot of work and it's not something you can just 459 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 1: hand over to an algorithm. And by creating this independent 460 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 1: oversight board, Facebook also kind of has an excuse when 461 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 1: someone gets mad at a post that Facebook didn't take down, 462 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 1: because the oversight board is sort of setting the precedent 463 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 1: and Facebook and say, hey, we got an independent board 464 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 1: of experts who make these decisions, so go blame those people. Now. 465 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 1: Related to that story is another one that Facebook is 466 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 1: kind of navigating some super tricky territory when it comes 467 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 1: to anti Semitism and use of the term Zionist. This 468 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: issue shows how difficult things can be due to context 469 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 1: and language. For example, some Jewish people who criticize the 470 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 1: Israeli government's polo sees use the term Zionist when talking 471 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 1: about specific policies that they don't agree with. But there 472 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:10,480 Speaker 1: are others who use the term interchangeably with other terms, 473 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 1: and they all end up being part of expressions of 474 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 1: hate speech. And so this is a really challenging situation 475 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 1: in which some uses of a word might fall into 476 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 1: the category of hate speech, something that clearly violates Facebook's 477 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 1: policies and should be removed. But in other cases it's 478 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 1: being used in a way where it's a part of 479 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 1: a legitimate criticism of Israeli government actions. When I say 480 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 1: legitimate criticism, I mean sincere as opposed to whether or 481 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 1: not you agree with the point of that criticism. The 482 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 1: Jewish Voices for Peace organization circulated a petition calling for 483 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 1: Facebook to avoid classifying zionist as hate speech outright. Facebook 484 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 1: reps have said that the company allows the term when 485 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 1: it comes to political discussions, but then removes it in 486 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 1: cases where it's quote used as a proxy for Jews 487 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 1: or Israeli's in a dehumanizing or violent way. End quote. 488 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 1: And as I said, this is a really complicated matter, 489 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:10,720 Speaker 1: and I feel we're seeing the beginning of a lot 490 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 1: of very difficult conversations within Facebook and between Facebook and 491 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 1: its critics, as more people demand that social networks take 492 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 1: a firmer stance when it comes to moderating user content. 493 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 1: And finally, the Wall Street Journal reports that internal memos 494 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 1: within Facebook revealed that researchers had pointed out to executives 495 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 1: that there was a rise of hate groups and misinformation 496 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 1: campaigns in the summer of twenty twenty, including calls to violence. 497 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 1: So that doesn't look great considering how extremists use platforms 498 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 1: like Facebook to organize ahead of the assault on the 499 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 1: US capital. And it also doesn't look great for organizations 500 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 1: like the FBI that at least initially stated that there 501 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 1: just wasn't any real heads up of any issues, when 502 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 1: in fact, it appears that there were a lot of 503 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 1: warning signs months in advance. We have some more tech 504 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 1: stories to cover in just a moment, but before we 505 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 1: get to those, let's take another quick break. We're back. 506 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 1: Ford has announced that starting in twenty three, the company's 507 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 1: vehicles will incorporate Android Auto, and this is a six 508 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 1: year partnership Ford has made with Google. Android Auto is 509 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 1: a platform for well, I mean, it's kind of obvious 510 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,880 Speaker 1: car systems, and it means that Ford vehicles will have 511 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 1: certain Google apps like Maps and even Assistant incorporated into 512 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 1: their entertainment systems. And I have to admit that could 513 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 1: be kind of neat being able to talk to your 514 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,959 Speaker 1: car to have it do things like give you directions, 515 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 1: or play your favorite station, or give you an update 516 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 1: on whether or make schedule changes to your calendar. All 517 00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 1: of that seems like a decent way to keep your 518 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,040 Speaker 1: eyes on the road instead of on your phone or 519 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,840 Speaker 1: on the dashboard of the car. The two companies also 520 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:05,840 Speaker 1: announced that they were forming a new R and D 521 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 1: group called Team Up Shift, which would explore all sorts 522 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 1: of of uses of technology in the car world, like 523 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 1: improving the experience of buying a car. Hey, you know, 524 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 1: if I think if this means that a salesperson doesn't 525 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,080 Speaker 1: get up and leave you waiting for half an hour 526 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 1: to try and you know, kind of put the screws 527 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,239 Speaker 1: to you, that's a good start. Anyone out there who 528 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 1: has had the experience of buying a new car from 529 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 1: a dealership likely has their share of really bad stories. 530 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 1: But the partnership is also going to look at stuff 531 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,479 Speaker 1: that happens behind the scenes with the aim to improve 532 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 1: processes and manage supply chains and all sorts of stuff 533 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 1: that customers rarely think about, but they really have a 534 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 1: real impact on the bottom line of a business. And 535 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 1: according to reps, with the companies, there will be no 536 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 1: harvesting of personal information, so you don't have to worry 537 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 1: about forward and Google logging every time you go to 538 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 1: that greasy spoon or you like, or if you haven't 539 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 1: hit the comic book store every week, or you know, 540 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 1: whatever it is other people do. Don't judge me. I 541 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 1: like greasy food and I like comic books. Anyway, this 542 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 1: could be an interesting partnership, But I do think it's 543 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 1: good for people to ask tough questions about data management 544 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,240 Speaker 1: and privacy because we have seen how that information can 545 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 1: be misused or even just collected and bartered without our 546 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 1: knowledge or consent. And hey, that leads me well into 547 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 1: the next story, which is that sixty Minutes reported that 548 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 1: China may have stolen the personal data of around eighty 549 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 1: percent of all adults in America. That is staggering. Imagine 550 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,840 Speaker 1: you're with a group of four friends and for this 551 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:51,120 Speaker 1: hypothetical situation, we're saying that everyone's been vaccinated. It's all safe, yea, 552 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 1: except you look around at your friends and you think, hey, 553 00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 1: only one of us has not had their personal data 554 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 1: stolen by China. That I mean, yikes, guys. And the 555 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:09,840 Speaker 1: information stolen is personal information that apparently includes bio data 556 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:14,920 Speaker 1: like DNA and stuff, which is truly wild. According to 557 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 1: the International Business Times, the purpose of doing that kind 558 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,800 Speaker 1: of thing might be to feed that information into China's 559 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 1: medical industry in an effort for that industry to dominate 560 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 1: the global medical treatments and technologies markets, essentially giving China 561 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,839 Speaker 1: a scientific edge on all things medical. But you know, 562 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:39,080 Speaker 1: without going through that whole nasty business of asking people 563 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:44,720 Speaker 1: for permission to harvest and use their personal and biological information. See, 564 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:46,759 Speaker 1: that's the kind of thing we have to be on 565 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,400 Speaker 1: the lookout for. And guys, if you were looking forward 566 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:54,480 Speaker 1: to going to Coachella, have some bad news. For the 567 00:34:54,680 --> 00:35:00,520 Speaker 1: third time since the pandemic started, Coachella is canceled. Coachella 568 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:05,319 Speaker 1: was supposed to happen in April of but by that 569 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 1: point the pandemic was in full bloom in the United States, 570 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 1: and so the organizers postponed it to October twenty. That 571 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,720 Speaker 1: turned out to be a bit too ambitious as well, 572 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,920 Speaker 1: as we were sliding toward another terrible surge in COVID cases, 573 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,759 Speaker 1: and so twenty twenty was called a loss, and the 574 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:25,560 Speaker 1: plan was to hold Coachella one in April, but seeing 575 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,279 Speaker 1: as the vaccine rollout it's likely to still be in 576 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 1: the early stages for most of the population even by 577 00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 1: that point in time, April isn't a guarantee either, and 578 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:39,080 Speaker 1: now the show has been canceled. There are rumors that 579 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,799 Speaker 1: it might get pushed to October again, but as I 580 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,880 Speaker 1: record this, there's been no official word on that. Obviously, 581 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,440 Speaker 1: the live events industry has been absolutely hammered by COVID, 582 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,640 Speaker 1: and it appears that the vaccination rollout this year will 583 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 1: really determine when we can expect some of those big 584 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,719 Speaker 1: events to return. So in the meantime, stay home if 585 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:03,120 Speaker 1: you can, key social distancing, wash your hands, and be safe. 586 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:07,880 Speaker 1: Our last couple of stories are about Vigia Games. First 587 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,480 Speaker 1: up is the game everyone loves to dunk on for 588 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 1: some pretty legitimate reasons cyberpunk. The latest is that PC 589 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:22,439 Speaker 1: gamers should take some precautions before installing any mods. Now, 590 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:26,600 Speaker 1: for those not up on gaming lingo, mods are modifications, 591 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,960 Speaker 1: and in this case, it refers to stuff that's been 592 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:33,000 Speaker 1: programmed by other people who don't work for the video 593 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:37,200 Speaker 1: game company, with the purpose of creating different effects or 594 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,400 Speaker 1: opening up new features once you download it and install 595 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:44,480 Speaker 1: it into the code of your game. Some games natively 596 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:48,320 Speaker 1: support mods, and even have marketplaces where users can shop 597 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,560 Speaker 1: around for different types of mods. And a mod might 598 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,640 Speaker 1: make a game look better, or it might create weird 599 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:56,840 Speaker 1: and silly effects, or it might allow you to do 600 00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,760 Speaker 1: stuff like make edits to the game while you're playing 601 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:01,880 Speaker 1: it so that you know you don't have to do 602 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,560 Speaker 1: that irritating thing where you play a game to progress. 603 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,440 Speaker 1: I mean, come on, right, who has time for that anyway? 604 00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,759 Speaker 1: Forbes reported a subreddit post that indicated that there were 605 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:14,359 Speaker 1: some vulnerabilities in the PC version of the game that 606 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:18,720 Speaker 1: could allow for malicious mods to integrate with the game 607 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,600 Speaker 1: and then compromise the PC running the game. So you 608 00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,040 Speaker 1: might think you're getting, you know, a cool mod that's 609 00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:29,480 Speaker 1: gonna make Keanu Reeves your best Friend Forever BFFs, but 610 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,000 Speaker 1: in fact it ends up creating a back door for 611 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,359 Speaker 1: a hacker to take over your computer. Apparently there are 612 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,880 Speaker 1: some workarounds to protect your PC to patch those vulnerabilities 613 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,239 Speaker 1: on your own, but as of this recording, there's no 614 00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:46,080 Speaker 1: official patch from the video game company CD project to 615 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:50,839 Speaker 1: fix things. And finally, we have some good news, at 616 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:54,359 Speaker 1: least for Nintendo. The company had projected it would sell 617 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:59,160 Speaker 1: twenty four million Nintendo Switch consoles in the current fiscal year, 618 00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:04,240 Speaker 1: which lasts through March, so Nintendo's fiscal year doesn't follow 619 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:08,120 Speaker 1: the calendar year. However, the company has already sold twenty 620 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:11,640 Speaker 1: four point one million units, and looking at the calendar, 621 00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:13,720 Speaker 1: we still have a little bit to go before March 622 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:17,800 Speaker 1: is over, so that's prompted Nintendo to adjust its projection 623 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:21,600 Speaker 1: upward to twenty six and a half million units. Now, 624 00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,640 Speaker 1: clearly the pandemic has had a big effect with this, 625 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:28,080 Speaker 1: with lots of people buying a Switch console during lockdown. 626 00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,200 Speaker 1: In fact, I'm one of those people because I bought 627 00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,000 Speaker 1: one for my wife, and honestly, I should probably get 628 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:35,600 Speaker 1: one of my own because it looks like a lot 629 00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,200 Speaker 1: of fun and she won't let me play it. Also 630 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,760 Speaker 1: the fact that the company has exceeded its projected sales 631 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,759 Speaker 1: also helps explain why sometimes it can still be a 632 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,040 Speaker 1: challenge to find a switch console in stock depending on 633 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,560 Speaker 1: where you live. Um, it's hard to find those in 634 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:56,520 Speaker 1: inventories at times. But good news for Nintendo and there's 635 00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,560 Speaker 1: some big titles that are coming up in the in 636 00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,720 Speaker 1: the months ahead. That's what's really got them excited about 637 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:04,759 Speaker 1: the potential of hitting that tway six and a half 638 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:10,919 Speaker 1: billion unit benchmark. So that's good for them. Bee beep, 639 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:15,640 Speaker 1: beep beep, breaking news. I had already finished recording this 640 00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:19,240 Speaker 1: episode and just as I was about to jump into 641 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:23,759 Speaker 1: sending it off to super producer Torii, I saw the 642 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,719 Speaker 1: news today. Oh boy, and it's more of a a video 643 00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,120 Speaker 1: games So we're just tagging this onto the very end. 644 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:34,600 Speaker 1: Apparently Google is now shuttering. It's in house Stadia Games 645 00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:38,960 Speaker 1: Development studio. That headline comes straight from c NET and 646 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:43,320 Speaker 1: Shelby Brown. So Shelby, big thanks to you for getting 647 00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,040 Speaker 1: that out there. Just before I was going to send 648 00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,480 Speaker 1: this off. It's awesome that I get to talk about 649 00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,640 Speaker 1: this only in the sense that it is breaking news. 650 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,600 Speaker 1: It is said I'm also a Google Stadia user, I 651 00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,480 Speaker 1: got a chance to get hold of a Stadio system, 652 00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:59,640 Speaker 1: and it's kind of interesting. I haven't really played with 653 00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,120 Speaker 1: that much, to be honest, but I thought it was 654 00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:06,680 Speaker 1: an interesting idea. However, Google has now decided that they're 655 00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:10,000 Speaker 1: not going to really get into the business of developing 656 00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:14,120 Speaker 1: video games. They will instead continue to act as a 657 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,799 Speaker 1: platform supporting video games, So you can still have video 658 00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,960 Speaker 1: games on the Stadio platform, just that Google won't be 659 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,960 Speaker 1: making any of those itself. So I thought I would 660 00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:27,120 Speaker 1: update that before this episode goes out because I had 661 00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:31,320 Speaker 1: the chance to do so. Back to Jonathan. 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