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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I am excited we're

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Speaker 1: in the last final stretch before the campaign and before

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Speaker 1: the election, before this big answer finally comes to us.

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Speaker 1: And today we have Victor Davis Hanson with us. He

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Speaker 1: is a best selling historian and senior Fellow at the

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Speaker 1: Hoover Institution. He is also the author of the most

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Speaker 1: recent book, The End of Everything, How Wars to Send

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Speaker 1: into Annihilation. Victor, thank you so much for joining me.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. Tutor.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely so. I'm looking at this campaign. It's been I

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Speaker 1: was actually talking to someone this morning and she was like,

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Speaker 1: this is just such an unprecedented election cycle. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I mean, we can say nothing else other than that,

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Speaker 1: because we've never seen a candidate be installed. The media

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Speaker 1: go after the other side the way they have the

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Speaker 1: doj come and try to put the guy in jail.

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Speaker 1: I mean, when you look at this as a historian,

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Speaker 1: what do you say about what's gone on?

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Speaker 2: Well, I always try to put everything in context, and

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Speaker 2: so the things that you outlined, I just say, have

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Speaker 2: we ever had a president impeached twice in two terms

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Speaker 2: that much less one know? Has he ever been tried

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Speaker 2: by a private as a private citizen in the Senate. No,

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Speaker 2: have we ever had five civil and criminal lawsuits that

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Speaker 2: would have never been brought against him had he just

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Speaker 2: not run, or maybe and he could say that they'd

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Speaker 2: never been brought previously against a private citizen in any circumstance.

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Speaker 2: Have we ever had sixteen states try to remove a

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Speaker 2: president from the ballot. I've never had two assassination attempts

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Speaker 2: in a single against a candidate in a single cycle.

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Speaker 2: So what explains all of this? And I think the

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Speaker 2: answer is that two things. One, this progressive experiment that

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Speaker 2: took off with Obama but gained speed after George Floyd, Riots, etc.

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Speaker 2: Doesn't appeal to people. They were willing to give it

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Speaker 2: on the border, on crime, on foreign policy, on the economy,

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Speaker 2: people don't like it. And the left knows that now,

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Speaker 2: and so they're not going to talk about it, or

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Speaker 2: if they are going to talk about it, in the

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Speaker 2: case of Senate candidates and Harris herself, they're going to

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Speaker 2: claim portions of it as their own. And that should

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Speaker 2: tell it something. So then what are they going to

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump deserved all of what I just delineated, and

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Speaker 2: he's an existential threat, and they're morally superior to everybody else,

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Speaker 2: and alone see that threat, and therefore any means justified,

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Speaker 2: And that's where we are.

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Speaker 1: Well. And you talk about how we see even senators

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Speaker 1: essentially called for his assassination publicly on news media that

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Speaker 1: in the past, had someone said something like that, they

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Speaker 1: They're so desperate to come up with a reason that

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Speaker 1: And yet the candidate that they obviously would choose is

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Speaker 2: No, they're not. I think it was Dan the representative

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Speaker 2: Goldman said he should be eliminated. Another person said he

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Speaker 2: Hillary of course says he's Hitler. The problem with all

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Speaker 2: Secret Service, for whatever reason, is lacks and that an

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Speaker 2: I'm quoting them verbatim. When you get General Millie who

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Speaker 2: When you put all that together with a laxity, then

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Speaker 2: And that's very dangerous. It's not just dangerous in the campaign,

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Speaker 1: And yet they all the lives of anyone around him.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you think about we lost a man at

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Speaker 1: If that's the case, you are all responsible for this

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Speaker 1: the point where you say, we have to stop. We

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Speaker 1: can no longer say these types of things. But they don't.

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Speaker 2: They don't. And I think it was a Rasmus and

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Speaker 2: for everybody around. So they talk about it so casually

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Speaker 2: And that's going to be very dangerous in the weeks ahead.

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Speaker 2: And we've got to remember all of this rhetoric is

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Speaker 2: after Trump was inaugurated, there's only three ways to get

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Speaker 2: rid of him. We can impeach him, but that would

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Speaker 2: take too long. We can invoke the twenty fifth Amendment,

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Speaker 2: but that would take too long. But maybe we could

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Speaker 2: have a military coup and officers could just say they

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Speaker 2: weren't going to follow orders and remove him. She wargame

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Speaker 2: that after that twenty twenty inauguration with the same thing

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Speaker 2: And you think they look back and they said, you know,

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Speaker 2: there was no Russian collusion, there was no Russian disinformation

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Speaker 2: We better stop.

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Speaker 1: They don't they find they don't. You know, it's interesting.

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Speaker 1: After the second assassination attempt, I was making breakfast for

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Speaker 1: because they were just talking about it so nonchalantly, And

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Speaker 1: But it was this moment of recognizing to her we

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Speaker 1: Happenstance like, Okay, well this is now the new normal. No,

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Speaker 1: it's not the new normal. And if it were the

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Speaker 1: explain why her position is in a no position at all?

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Speaker 1: Why she how does she really feel about fracking, How

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Speaker 2: But meanwhile Trump had done sixty or seventy of them.

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Speaker 1: the Tutor Dixon podcast. Let me ask you about this

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Speaker 1: latest cultural revolution, because I think this is something that

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Speaker 1: When if you look at the Ruth Bader Ginsburg's of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I do. I think their attitude also was we're

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Speaker 2: nice people, these spokesmen, these elites, are not very talented.

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Speaker 2: All they have is threats and fear. And once you

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Speaker 2: that's what's starting to happen. I think that's why I

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Speaker 2: think he's got a good chance to win. A lot

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Speaker 1: Now more coming up with Victor Davis Hansen. After this,

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Speaker 1: I keep hearing politicians and news media anchors reporters come

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Speaker 1: out and say, the American people think that they have

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Speaker 1: experienced inflation because there's rhetoric around it. But if I

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Speaker 1: look at the numbers, you haven't experienced it. It's so

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Speaker 1: degrading to people because like, for example, I'm a family

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Speaker 1: of six. When Trump was in office, I would go

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Speaker 1: to the grocery store and my bill was always between

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Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty and three hundred dollars always. Now

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Speaker 1: every time, my bill is between four hundred and five

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Speaker 1: hundred dollars. There's no question. I know that I feel it.

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Speaker 1: It's painful. If it's painful for me, it's painful for

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Speaker 1: every single family. It's not different. I'm not buying different food.

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Speaker 1: They are not buying different food either, So to be

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Speaker 1: told you are not experiencing what you are experiencing. Same

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Speaker 1: with crime numbers. The American people aren't feeling crime because

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Speaker 1: the crime numbers are down. I mean you saw that

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Speaker 1: in the debate. You've got them saying no, no, no, wrong,

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Speaker 1: let me fact check you. The crime numbers are down.

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Speaker 1: And then afterward the FBI comes out and goes, oh,

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Speaker 1: actually we have to reassess the crime numbers. They're not down,

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Speaker 1: They're actually up four percent. Well, that means people are

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Speaker 1: feeling that you're being told on a regular basis you're

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Speaker 1: not actually living what you are actually living. At a

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Speaker 1: certain point, people just go to the other side. So

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Speaker 1: why don't the polls reflect that that he is overwhelmingly winning?

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Speaker 1: It feels like he should be. Are the polls accurate?

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Speaker 1: Should we go into this feeling like it's neck and neck?

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Speaker 2: You know, I've been asking myself that, and there's all

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Speaker 2: of these issues that are involved. So everybody looks at

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Speaker 2: the twenty sixteen that was off and they said they're

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Speaker 2: going to correct it in twenty twenty, and then twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty in most cases was even more off undervalue. So

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Speaker 2: then people said, well, yes, but they got it right

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Speaker 2: in the twenty twenty two midterms, and they did. But

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Speaker 2: then people come back and say, well, Trump wasn't on

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Speaker 2: the ballot or otherwise they would have. So we're going into

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Speaker 2: this election. I think people the reason that Trump supporters

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Speaker 2: are worried. On the one hand, they're encouraged that if

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Speaker 2: Trump is even in the polls, then he's really because

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Speaker 2: the polls are not accurate, or they choose not to

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Speaker 2: poll in a way they knew no would be more accurate.

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Speaker 2: There may be two points under reporting, but they feel

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Speaker 2: at the same time that the mail in ballots and

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Speaker 2: the early voting can't be authenticated to the same degree

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Speaker 2: the same day, and that's where two points. So they

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Speaker 2: kind of say it's a draw. One thing that I

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Speaker 2: have noticed though, that it's kind of a disconnect. They

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Speaker 2: will tell you that the swing states where the election

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Speaker 2: is going to be decided or haven't moved, they're almost

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Speaker 2: dead even or Trump caught up and now maybe Harris

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Speaker 2: came back a little bit. But at the same time

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Speaker 2: they're telling us this, they're saying, there's phenomenal Trump rise

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Speaker 2: and he's got this on. We never expected this support

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Speaker 2: in places like New Hampshire and Virginia and Minnesota where

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Speaker 2: he was down eight and nine points and now he's

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Speaker 2: only gone by two or three. Well, those states are

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Speaker 2: right next to some of the states that are frozen

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Speaker 2: one to one. So you think, well, wait a minute,

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Speaker 2: why would these voters in these diverse states like Minnesota

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Speaker 2: and New Hampshire and Virginia all very diverse, but why

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Speaker 2: would they collectively be starting to move toward Trump? At

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Speaker 2: least maybe he won't win them, but they're going to

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Speaker 2: be much closer than anybody imagined a month. But that

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Speaker 2: same phenomenon is not happening in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania and Michigan.

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Speaker 2: And I think it is. And I think there's a tendency,

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Speaker 2: a natural tendency by some of the posters that think

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Speaker 2: that they pull a little bit differently in Arizona and

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Speaker 2: Georgia and Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania than they do in New

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Speaker 2: hamp I'm sure in Virginia and Minnesota and State and

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Speaker 2: New Mexico. And by that, I mean in these blue

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Speaker 2: states where you see this national surge for Trump, they

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Speaker 2: don't really mind if their polls show it because they

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Speaker 2: have they have no expectation he'll win. So they just say, well,

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Speaker 2: we did this, and he's and then they're going to

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Speaker 2: tell then they're telling us at the same time. But

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Speaker 2: that national observe, that easily observed push for Trump does

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Speaker 2: not exist where it really counts in seven states, because

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Speaker 2: they seem to be static. And I just don't believe

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Speaker 2: that's possible. No.

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Speaker 1: I know, it's when you're on the ground here. I

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Speaker 1: don't know what it's like out in California, But for Michigan,

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Speaker 1: which is a swing state, when you're on the ground here,

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Speaker 1: the ground, I mean even the signs, the signs are

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Speaker 1: are much more weighted toward Trump when you're driving. When

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Speaker 1: you're out there, you see more people willing to wear

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Speaker 1: Trump gear, willing to wear the MAGA hat, willing to

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Speaker 1: wear the T shirts. The excitement seems to be big.

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Speaker 1: The last thing I want to ask you is why

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Speaker 1: do you think there is a disparity between the excitement

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Speaker 1: for Trump and the excitement for Republican Senate candidates because

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Speaker 1: they all seem to be trailing him a bit, and

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Speaker 1: so I'm hearing on the ground in Michigan, well, Trump

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Speaker 1: has to win by three points for us to get

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Speaker 1: the Senate across the across the line, Why would that be?

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Speaker 2: I think in one sense, she who's doing pretty well,

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Speaker 2: McCormick in Pennsylvania, Mike Rodgers in Michigan. They're all running

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Speaker 2: against incumbent, entrenched incumbents, and those incumbents have done better relatively.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm not saying exactly or empirically as

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Speaker 2: far as their job, but they're perceived to have done

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Speaker 2: a better job than Kamala Harris auth And all of

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Speaker 2: those candidates, as incumbents, tend and I I've watched them

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Speaker 2: tend to conduct themselves better in interviews and are more retail,

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Speaker 2: better retail politicians than Kamala Harris. I think Kamala Harris

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Speaker 2: is a she has everything going for she has two

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Speaker 2: and a half times the money, she's an incumbent, she's young,

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Speaker 2: she's black, she's female, but she's a lousy politician. And

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Speaker 2: those other candidates are very well funded, but they're also

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Speaker 2: professional politicians and they are incumbents, and they are outspending

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Speaker 2: by a great margin, so they have all the advantages

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Speaker 2: that Kamala Harris are. But they're not bad candidates. I

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Speaker 2: think they're bad in the sense that I wouldn't want

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Speaker 2: to vote for him because of their ideology and their politics.

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Speaker 2: But as far as the retail skills, if you look

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Speaker 2: at Casey or Tester, they're much more skilled than Kamala Harris.

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Speaker 2: So it's much harder for the Senate to break through

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Speaker 2: that incumbency.

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Speaker 1: I would say they're more skilled, and they're better at

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Speaker 1: trying to moderate without looking like they're lying, if that

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Speaker 1: makes sense anymore.

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Speaker 2: Never as they were never as radical in the first

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Speaker 2: place as she was. They were never chanting no deportation

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Speaker 2: or fracking. Yeah, we'll banged. The problem with her is

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Speaker 2: every time she said something here in California, it was

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Speaker 2: to a sympathetic audience, so she doubled down. It wasn't

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Speaker 2: just I want to ban fracking or I'm for deportation,

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Speaker 2: but she was so emphatic. She yelled it out of course,

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Speaker 2: and that's hard to erase now for her, But the

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Speaker 2: other candidates would have never gotten themselves in such a ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: They're smarter than that, they're sneakier, they're more complex than that.

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Speaker 1: It's also hard to run as the change candidate when

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Speaker 1: you are the incumbent and she's trying to say that

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Speaker 1: she's not I'm not Joe Biden. Okay, but how why

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Speaker 1: wouldn't change anything that he did? Well? When you are

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden, you know, it's like this is It really

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Speaker 1: has been a really ridiculous campaign season, but I think

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Speaker 1: very eye opening and a lot of people have asked me,

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Speaker 1: how do you think this could have happened? That he

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Speaker 1: didn't win after twenty twenty and now he's back and

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Speaker 1: he's gaining all this this steam, and I just think,

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Speaker 1: you know, all of this head to be exposed. There's

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Speaker 1: a bigger plan at play here. We had to see

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Speaker 1: exactly what the other side was going to do. So

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Speaker 1: we all wait for the next few days to see

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Speaker 1: what this election brings. But in the meantime, I think

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Speaker 1: that it's a game of who's going to get more

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Speaker 1: people out there and who's going to contact more people,

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Speaker 1: and that that's always what it is, So you can

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Speaker 1: run as many commercials as you want. I find that

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Speaker 1: we have the same commercials running over and over again,

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Speaker 1: and I think people more tired of that too. So

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Speaker 1: now it's just to get out the vote game. And

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Speaker 1: over the next few days you're going to see people

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Speaker 1: knocking doors and out there with their signs and calling people,

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Speaker 1: and that'll be what determines what happens in this election.

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Speaker 1: But I appreciate so much you coming on and sharing

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Speaker 1: your opinion. It's really very sightful, very different than what

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Speaker 1: we generally hear, but exactly what we needed to hear.

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Speaker 1: Victor Davis Hansen, thank you for coming on. Thank you,

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