1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace and the middle of a 2 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 1: bowling alley. You think everybody's having fun, because I know 3 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: we do what's of fun at the bowling alley. But 4 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: how does a little girl seemingly disappear into thin air 5 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: from the middle of a bowling alley with her family there? 6 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: How does that happen? Because when I go bowling with 7 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 1: the twins with or without my husband David, I can 8 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: see them sitting right there. They don't just disappear into 9 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:50,840 Speaker 1: thin air. But that is exactly what happened to this 10 00:00:51,040 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: little girl. We want answers Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 11 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: I Meancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for 12 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 1: being with us here at Fox Nation in series Sex 13 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 1: one eleven. First of all, take a listen to this. 14 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: It was January twenty three. Tika was at a crowded 15 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: bowling alley with her family in Tacoma, Washington. Members of 16 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:25,479 Speaker 1: the family were taking turns watching Tika and some other 17 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 1: young children with them, and they were distracted for a 18 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: few moments. When they turned around, she was gone. Since then, 19 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: no one has seen her. Now I get being distracted 20 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 1: at the bowling alley because when as you're turned to bowl. 21 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 1: You get the ball, you go up, you set your 22 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 1: sights on the pins, and you roll it out. You 23 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: see what happens. You wait and you see your score. 24 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: So you're looking I would guess at least a minute. 25 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: And I know in a lot of functions, say at 26 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 1: a church function or a family reunion, or where you 27 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: feel you know everybody, you're not staring at your child 28 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: the whole time. How did this little girl just two 29 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:15,959 Speaker 1: years old, she's beautiful? How does she go missing in 30 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: a crowded bowling alley? Again, thank you for being with 31 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: us here at Fox Stations eleven. I want to introduce 32 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:27,799 Speaker 1: to you an all star panel of guests, each one 33 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: an expert in their own right to try to make 34 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: sense of it all with me. Dale Carson, criminal defense 35 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: attorney joining us out of Jacksonville. Not just a criminal 36 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: defense attorney, renown criminal defense attorney, but former FBI and 37 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:45,679 Speaker 1: former author of Arrest Proof Yourself. I don't like that, 38 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 1: but the rest I like a lot. Psychoanalice to the Stars, 39 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:52,639 Speaker 1: joining us out of La Doctor Bethany Marshall. You can 40 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: find her at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com and she's 41 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 1: star of a Netflix series Bling Empire. Investigator Dan Scott, 42 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:04,239 Speaker 1: La County Sheriff Sergeant twenty six years Special Victims Bureau 43 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: specializing in child cases. Olivia Lavoi's crime reporter joining us 44 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: for qute thirteen Fox at Seattle and you can find 45 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 1: her on Twitter at Q thirteen Olivia. But first I 46 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 1: want to go to a very special guest joining us, 47 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: a woman I feel that I befriended over the years. 48 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: Teresa English. This is Tica's mother. First of all, Miss English, 49 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. You know a lot 50 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: of blame. I'll just put it out there has been 51 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: cast on you because you're the mom Antica disappeared on 52 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 1: your watch. But after many, many investigations into this particular case, 53 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: I think the attacks on you are unjustified. Tell me, 54 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: Miss English, what happened? What do you remember of the 55 00:03:56,720 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 1: night Tica just disappeared in the bowling alley. It was 56 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: a family function. I had family members there's I had 57 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: my brother and my sister in law's I had my 58 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: boyfriend at the time, and we were all just having fun, 59 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: you know, and Pica was miss Miss English. Miss English, 60 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: look write this down, because you know what the many 61 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 1: times I looked this case. I didn't know how who 62 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: what members of your extended family were there? Was this 63 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: some kind of a reunion or a get together of sorts. 64 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: It was a get together because I never got out 65 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: the house. You know, I had four other kids, so 66 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 1: my brother invited me to go out with them and 67 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: my oldest three daughters. They went with their aunt and 68 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 1: I had my two youngest one. I had my two 69 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 1: year old and my ten months old at the time, 70 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: the two year old and you're ten months old. Oh man, 71 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 1: you got your hands full. I know how it was 72 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: when the twins or ten months old. How they were 73 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: when they were two years old and they were starting 74 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: to walk. Okay, so your brother is his wife there, 75 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 1: His wife is there. My other brother and his girlfriend 76 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: was there. Yes. Did they have children and were the 77 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:11,840 Speaker 1: children there? Yes, my brother had his son and he 78 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 1: was oh, he was just a couple of months old, 79 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: so he was focused on his baby boy. And what 80 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 1: about the second brother, he was his girlfriend and his wife. 81 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 1: It was him and his girl. Yeah, him and his 82 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 1: girlfriend at the time. Did they have children, No, they 83 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: didn't have no kids. So it was you, your brother 84 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:35,239 Speaker 1: and his wife, the brother and the girlfriend, the infant 85 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: son the brother. Had anybody else from your family? Oh, 86 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 1: your boyfriend yes at the time, yes, and anybody else. 87 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:47,840 Speaker 1: M my sister, she had her family members there, so 88 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 1: it was it was a big group. How many family 89 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: members did your sister, Brian? Oh, there was probably like 90 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: six seven other ones, So it was a pretty big group. 91 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 1: Now just a moment, Miss English, I want to go 92 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:05,919 Speaker 1: straight out to Dell Carson joining us out of Jacksonville 93 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: right now now, not only a criminal defense attorney, but 94 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 1: former FBI and deal. You know, that's kind of it's 95 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: almost like a family reunion. And I am lulled into 96 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:22,039 Speaker 1: a sense of complacency when I'm at a family get 97 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: together because you feel like with your own family so 98 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: many of them around, for Pete's sake, that's at least 99 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: twelve people. I think right there, you feel safe and 100 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:35,600 Speaker 1: you feel like everybody is watching each other's children, or 101 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 1: at least I would feel that way. Well, that's right, 102 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 1: And I think that one of the odd things that 103 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 1: we don't understand about petophiles and serial killers is that 104 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: they often communicate with one another. And it's a known 105 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:55,919 Speaker 1: fact in those circles that amusement areas are prime for 106 00:06:56,160 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: picking up potential victims. And we've seen this. You're in 107 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: Florida where these arcades as they were back in the nineties. 108 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 1: Of course it's different today. We're basically used as a 109 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 1: stomping ground for people picking up young boys and girls 110 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 1: who would be runaways and end up in those places. 111 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: And they would go in and they'd place a stack 112 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: of quarters, which were used at that time to operate 113 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: the machines, and that's how they would lure them. So 114 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 1: I don't think anybody really realizes that. When you're in 115 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 1: a family group like that and you're paying attention to 116 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: one another, you're certainly not expecting that someone would think 117 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: that an amusement area is someplace where you might find 118 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: an abduct a child. And so I think, you know what, 119 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: I'm very torn about what you're saying. Part of me 120 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: knows that it's true. But I remember my brother, my 121 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 1: older brother, helped put himself to college working at one 122 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 1: of those arcades in them all at the time. I 123 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: also worked at them all at Sears and Rowboat, Okay, 124 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: And I would go by and I would see my brother, 125 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 1: you know, there, and he's about seven or eight years 126 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 1: older than me, And I never thought of it that way. 127 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: But let me tell you this deal. One of the first, 128 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: not the first, but one of the first child one 129 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:21,239 Speaker 1: station cases I had. Was a little boy. I recall 130 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: he was about nine to eleven years old and he 131 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: was learning disabled, could hardly speak, and he loved the 132 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: video arcade deal, loved it and his mom would give 133 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: him a role of quarters and take him to the 134 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: video kade and arcade, like sit in the parking lot 135 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: and work or whatever she was doing, and then you 136 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 1: know they go home. Well, one time she found I 137 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: think it was a twenty dollar folded up bill in 138 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 1: his pocket. Turns out at the arcade he had met 139 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 1: a pedophile who would sodomize the little boy and in 140 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: payment would give him some quarters. So it seems like 141 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:03,439 Speaker 1: a very innocent place when I was growing up working 142 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: at Series and Robot, it's not always innocent. Time stories 143 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace and I want to follow up on 144 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 1: what deal Courson Lawyer Oight at Jacksonville is saying with 145 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 1: Dan Scott, former La County's sheriffs sergeant. He's right. So 146 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: while mom who's with us right now, Teresa English is 147 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: minding her own business as she's there with her two babies. 148 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 1: You don't think, Wow, right over there, that group of people, 149 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 1: I don't know one of them could be a pedophile. 150 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: I've been so freaked out about this case. When I 151 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: took the children alone when they were two or three, starting, 152 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 1: you know, going bowling and playing, They'd have to go 153 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 1: everywhere with me, even to the bathroom. We could hardly 154 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:00,080 Speaker 1: get through a game of bowling because whenever one of 155 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: them had to go, we'd all go. Because of this case, 156 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:09,839 Speaker 1: Tica's case, jump in, Dan Scott. It's always easy in 157 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 1: the first person you blame is the mom or the parents, 158 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: But you have to remember, these are predators that solely 159 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:24,679 Speaker 1: look for children. They are experts at it. They're experts 160 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 1: at blending in. Yes, it's scary, and yes we do 161 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: our best to watch our children at all times, but 162 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 1: it only takes a moment to turn your attention away 163 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 1: when these people will snatch. That's all they do is 164 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 1: think about where they can taine a child. What you 165 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:50,680 Speaker 1: just said something that really hits home to me. In fact, 166 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 1: you just gave me chills on my arm. You said 167 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 1: that's all they think about. You're right. For instance, all 168 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 1: I think about, besides prime stories is the twins. What 169 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 1: am I going to cook him for dinner? What are they? 170 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: What's their homework assignment? Where do they have to be? 171 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:11,559 Speaker 1: What's the latest in scouts? All of that. I'm consumed 172 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 1: with that. That's all they think about. And I want 173 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: you to take a listen of this. This is our 174 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: friends at crime online dot com. Listen as Tica Lewis 175 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: is playing in one of the driving games in the 176 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 1: Bowling Alley arcade, her mother, Teresa English, looks way just 177 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 1: for a few moments to check on her other children 178 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 1: in one of the bowling lanes. When English turns back around, 179 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 1: Tica is gone. English looks around and between the other games, 180 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 1: then runs to the nearby ladies room to check their 181 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:45,319 Speaker 1: no Tica. Just six feet away from the arcade where 182 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 1: Tica was playing is a side door to the bowling alley. 183 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 1: Teresa English runs through the door and into the parking lot, 184 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 1: screaming her daughter's name. Where is Tica? Oh? Miss English? 185 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: Miss English? Miss English. You know I can hear the 186 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 1: one hundred times, and every time it's just so upseting. 187 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 1: Tell me when you first noticed Miss English that Tica 188 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:11,959 Speaker 1: wasn't there? What was happening? I was freaked out, you know, 189 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 1: me having four of the kids and Tica was my everything, 190 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:22,679 Speaker 1: you know, from day one, from the day I had her, 191 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 1: she was my everything. I freaked out, you know you 192 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: I mean, I was at a panic. I looked forward 193 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 1: you to video games that she was gone. I told her. 194 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 1: I told everybody in the group, I said, Tica's not here, 195 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 1: Tika's gone. You know where she and not? What were 196 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 1: you doing? Were you bowling? Were you watching somebody bowl? 197 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 1: What happened when you turned around? What made you realize 198 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 1: she wasn't there? I went to bowl. It was my 199 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 1: turn to Bull. So I went to Bull and Tica 200 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 1: was there because you know, I had just seen her, 201 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: and I told her, I'm to go Bull. I'll be 202 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 1: right back. And so I went to go Bull. I 203 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 1: turned around, and they took that quick for her to 204 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 1: be gone. It was just like within a couple of seconds. 205 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 1: Because I went to Bull, I didn't change, I didn't 206 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 1: check my score. I turned around, you know, if she 207 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:25,680 Speaker 1: was gone that quick. Joining me right now is doctor 208 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:29,439 Speaker 1: Angela Arnold. She's around psychiatrists joining us out of the 209 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:33,319 Speaker 1: Atlanta jurisdiction, and you can find her at Angela Arnold, MD, 210 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 1: dot com. Doctor Angie, I have to tell you something. 211 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 1: Hearing Teresa English talk, yes and listen. You know I 212 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: will jump on a mom in a New York minute 213 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:51,680 Speaker 1: if I think they have anything to do something that 214 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 1: happened to their child. You know that when I hear 215 00:13:56,360 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 1: Teresa English talk, it literally is give me chill bumps 216 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: because it reminds me of the day I was in 217 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 1: the Babies or Us, you know, that big warehouse thing 218 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 1: looking for organic suntan lusion. And I was down on 219 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 1: the very bottom level that was really tall shelf like 220 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 1: they do it lows maybe or home depot. And I 221 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 1: was all the way down there. John David Lucy were 222 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: right behind me, and I was digging around trying to 223 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 1: find it, and I couldn't find it. I stood up 224 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: and I was looking up and down. I said, well, 225 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 1: I guess that I'll have it. And I turned around 226 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 1: and there was Lucy, no John David, and that feeling. 227 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 1: It's just it's awful. I will never forget it as 228 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 1: long as I live. And I really am angry that 229 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: people have been blaming miss English. She went up to bowl. 230 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 1: She turns around and Tika's gone. She immediately sounds the along. 231 00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 1: Can you imagine running to the ladies back through right, think, oh, 232 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 1: she's going to be in there, and you calm down, 233 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 1: this is gonna be okay. You go in there, she's 234 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 1: not there, and then you can feel it rising in 235 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 1: your chest. I'm really angry with people blaming this English 236 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 1: all this time, you know, Nancy, I think that the 237 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: people who have the audacity to blame the mother have 238 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 1: never been They must not be mothers themselves, because I 239 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 1: think that practically every mother has turned their back for 240 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: a minute and their children have gone missing, and we 241 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 1: I have felt that panic. I was at Linux Mall 242 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: one time, turned around in jim Boree and my two 243 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: little babies were gone. I almost had the whole mall 244 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 1: locked down. And then some woman comes walking down the thing, 245 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 1: down the sidewalk or whatever you want to call it, 246 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 1: and she had my children and she goes they were 247 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: watching TV at Pottery Barn, and I was fine, dear 248 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 1: Lord and I and that's halfway to kill them all. 249 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: I'm gonna make this quick, but I just have to 250 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 1: tell you one more thing. I was out in Arizona 251 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: covering the Jody Arias trial and the three of us 252 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 1: were staying in a hotel and I had had the 253 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 1: twins out at the pool. We were coming in and 254 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 1: we all got on the elevator. I pushed John david in. 255 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 1: I said, Lucy, come on. Lucy just froze. The elevator closed. 256 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: I tried to get her. I came immediately back down. 257 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: As soon as I started pushing all the buttons, she 258 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:34,479 Speaker 1: was gone. Oh my god. She got on another elevator 259 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 1: and I was running up and down all through China. 260 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 1: Can you imagine some perv had grabbed her on another floor. 261 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: I would never have found her. I found her. But 262 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 1: my point is, in that moment, in that split second, 263 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 1: you can lose your child through no wrongdoing of your own. 264 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 1: Joining me right now, in addition to Teresa English, just 265 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 1: as Tika's mother is a very well known crime reporter, 266 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:07,680 Speaker 1: Olivia lo Voice joining us from two thirteen Fox Seattle. 267 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:14,719 Speaker 1: Olivia tell me about this bowling alley where Tica goes missing. 268 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: But the bowling alley is no longer there. But at 269 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 1: the time it was incredibly popular, and especially on a 270 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 1: Saturday night, and at the time that Tica went missing, 271 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:33,160 Speaker 1: around ten pm, it was very crowded, and I think 272 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:36,680 Speaker 1: that that contributed to the chaos of that night. I mean, 273 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:39,879 Speaker 1: on one hand, you might think, oh, the more people 274 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 1: the better, because that means there's more witnesses, But in 275 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:49,639 Speaker 1: this case, it seems to have been detrimental. You know, 276 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:52,439 Speaker 1: there's reports that it was so loud in the bowling 277 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:57,400 Speaker 1: alley that when the manager initially went on the loudspeaker 278 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 1: to announce that Tica was missing, that it was difficult 279 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 1: to hear. It seemed like, you know, people weren't stopping 280 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:10,920 Speaker 1: in their tracks and listening per se. So yes, very 281 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 1: very crowded that night, in particular, Oh Olivia a voice. 282 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 1: Just hearing that makes my skin crawl because he's like 283 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:41,919 Speaker 1: everything was going wrong. Time Stories with Nancy Grace, Miss 284 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 1: English show you run to the bathroom looking for Tica 285 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 1: and what happens. My sister in law's sister was in there, 286 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:51,439 Speaker 1: and I asked her, I said, if Pica there, and 287 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:54,640 Speaker 1: she was like no, and I said, she's gone. She's 288 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:59,439 Speaker 1: nowhere to be found. So I went up to the announcer, 289 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 1: I said, and there was an off duty officer there 290 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 1: and he was supposed to be patrolling the grounds, but 291 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: he wasn't. He was watching everybody bowl and I told him, 292 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 1: I said, my daughter's gone. And he said, are you sure? 293 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 1: And I said yes. We searched everywhere, everywhere, and I 294 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 1: said we need help. I need my daughter. And he 295 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: told everybody look for a child underneath the chairs. She 296 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:25,919 Speaker 1: might have fell asleep. I said, she didn't fall asleep, 297 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:29,400 Speaker 1: she's nowhere. We searched everywhere already. I said, we need 298 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:32,160 Speaker 1: back up. You guys need to bring more law enforce 299 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:37,160 Speaker 1: over here. I need my baby. My baby's gone. So 300 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: like twenty thirty minutes later, that's when the first officer 301 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:43,639 Speaker 1: came in. My baby was long gone by then. And 302 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 1: I told him, you guys took too long. It's too 303 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:49,680 Speaker 1: long of a wait. Guys, I want you to hear 304 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:53,680 Speaker 1: our friends at crime Online. Teresa English realizes she needs 305 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:55,879 Speaker 1: help and grabs an off duty to come a police 306 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 1: officer working for the Bowling Alley. After another search that 307 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:02,439 Speaker 1: to come, a police, the FBI, and the National Center 308 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 1: for Missing Unexploited Children are called in. Throughout the night, 309 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 1: hundreds of officers search the woods and go door to 310 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 1: door in a nearby residential neighborhood with concerns of a 311 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:16,199 Speaker 1: family abduction. Relatives are questioned. Teresa English voluntarily submits to 312 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 1: two polygraph exams. Tika's father has an ironclad alibi. The 313 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 1: parents are cleared. More than two dozen detectives are working 314 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 1: on Tika's case full time. Take a listen to this. 315 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 1: We had gone to Bowling Alley plenty of times and 316 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,679 Speaker 1: there was kind of an area where people would kind 317 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 1: of just come there with their families and kids can 318 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:39,919 Speaker 1: kind of roam. Saturday night, January twenty third, nineteen ninety nine, 319 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:43,400 Speaker 1: New Frontiers, Bowling Alley was filled with people who would 320 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:47,400 Speaker 1: become part of a nightmare. One teenage boy in particular, 321 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 1: but he had no way of knowing that then. I 322 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,640 Speaker 1: had these the restroom, so I went towards the other 323 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 1: the restrooms, where this rude guy bumped into me with 324 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 1: this little girl. And since he was white and Ticca 325 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 1: is mixed, the little girl was mixed. I just thought 326 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 1: it was the father just rushing his daughter to the bathroom. 327 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 1: The night went on as usual. When the team and 328 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: his family went to leave, they noticed police were searching 329 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:14,160 Speaker 1: for something, but they wouldn't know what, or rather who, 330 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 1: until days later. You're hearing our friends Olivia will have 331 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:21,440 Speaker 1: as Q thirteen fox. Olivia tell me about the sighting 332 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:27,439 Speaker 1: of a white male rushing by holding the hand of 333 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 1: a little girl. I think that this witness sighting is 334 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 1: absolutely key to the case. That witness. I interviewed him 335 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 1: twenty one years later. He's now an adult man, and 336 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:43,920 Speaker 1: you can tell how much what he saw that night 337 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 1: has stuck with him because a few days after he 338 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,719 Speaker 1: bumps into this man. You know, it's a distinct memory 339 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 1: for him because he said it was so jarring for 340 00:21:56,840 --> 00:22:00,119 Speaker 1: him as a teenager to have this adult man and 341 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 1: bump into him and not acknowledge it and just you know, 342 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:09,719 Speaker 1: keep going. And also the man had deep pock marks 343 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,440 Speaker 1: on his face. The teenage boy he had never seen 344 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 1: anything like that, so that really stood out to him. 345 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 1: And then three days later he sees Taka's face all 346 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 1: over the news and he says, that's that's the little 347 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:26,400 Speaker 1: girl that was with demand the rude man that night, 348 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: and he immediately his family immediately alerted police. Police did 349 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 1: speak with him one back then in nineteen ninety nine, 350 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 1: but that was that was it. It took you know, 351 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:46,119 Speaker 1: over twenty years for this tip to be unearthed by 352 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 1: a cold case detective who zeroed in on it and 353 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,360 Speaker 1: felt like you know this is this is truly important. 354 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:57,439 Speaker 1: People really need to hear this suspect description. I'd like 355 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 1: for everyone to hear our cut zero rout too. This 356 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 1: is Olivia Levoy's Q thirteen thoughts. Listen. The little girl 357 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 1: he saw that night when he came face to face 358 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:13,159 Speaker 1: with the rude man was Tita Lewis, a two year 359 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 1: old who was at the bowling Alley with a dozen 360 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 1: family members when in an instant she vanished, I had 361 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,160 Speaker 1: to say something, so he did. He was interviewed by 362 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 1: detectives in January nineteen ninety nine, but then nothing. No 363 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 1: one contacted me. I was easy to find. Maybe what 364 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 1: I had to say just wasn't relevant or it wasn't useful. 365 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 1: Flash forward two decades. Someone did think what he had 366 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 1: to say was most definitely relevant and useful. The cold 367 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: case investigator who picked through thousands of pages and hundreds 368 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 1: of tips when he spotted the one that leaped off 369 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 1: the page. This witness actually describes a type of encounter 370 00:23:56,240 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 1: with Tica by this individual. And the end of the 371 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 1: description of the individual is not generic. It's it's specific, 372 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 1: and it's and it's detailed. It is a very detailed. 373 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 1: Now listen, to our cut zero seven listen. At that time, 374 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 1: there would have been no way for the college. A 375 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 1: man with a pockmarked face had been mentioned in the 376 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,640 Speaker 1: first few days of the investigation. The individual that we're 377 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 1: trying to identify is a white male five foot eleven 378 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: with a husky build. He is described as having a 379 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 1: shoulder length brown, curly or wavy hair, with a thick 380 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 1: mustache and a heavily pockmarked face. The night of Tika's disappearance, 381 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 1: he was wearing a blue flannel shirt and faded jeans. 382 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 1: His motivation to solve this case is simple. Tika's mother. 383 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:57,199 Speaker 1: It really makes it easy to try to keep the 384 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,440 Speaker 1: case alive for her and to try to find her 385 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 1: some answers. She has never given up on her daughter, 386 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:10,159 Speaker 1: finding her daughter, and I really admire that he's not 387 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 1: going to stop looking until we find some. Back to 388 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:17,400 Speaker 1: Olivia Lavoie's crime reporter Qute thirteen foughts joining us out 389 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: of Seattle, Olivia, I hear the reporter stating that a 390 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 1: car called in about a white male with pot marks 391 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 1: on his face. Who was the caller? So the caller 392 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 1: was a woman who was at the bowling alley about 393 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 1: a week or so after Tica's disappearance. I think it 394 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 1: was actually less than that, just a matter of days, 395 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 1: and America's Most Wanted was at the Bowling Alley shooting 396 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 1: a re enactment of the case to feature the case, 397 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,679 Speaker 1: and this woman noticed that a man with a heavily 398 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:59,200 Speaker 1: pot marked face was hanging around the news crew and 399 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 1: she fell. You know, I mean, it's not unusual that 400 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 1: if america is Most Wanted is in your town filming 401 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,919 Speaker 1: something that you know, you might hang around and watch. 402 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:14,440 Speaker 1: But this individual's behavior was so odd to her that 403 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:19,239 Speaker 1: she called the Tacoma Police Department to say, hey, you 404 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 1: guys should check this guy out. Here's this description. Something 405 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: was off with him, just the way he was sort 406 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 1: of lurking. And in the description she notes that he 407 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:35,120 Speaker 1: has a heavily pockmark face. And the detective, the cold 408 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 1: case detective who connected these tips, said, there's no way 409 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 1: that's a coincidence. There's no way that woman could have 410 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 1: known that we had another witness see a man with 411 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 1: pockmark face with Pica that night. Okay, a lot of 412 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 1: things crashing in my head right now, but one thing 413 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 1: that tells me. Dan Scott, former LA County Sheriff Sergeant 414 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 1: twenty six years SVU is that this guy is local. 415 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 1: It's not that he was coming through the interstate that night, 416 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 1: maybe a trucker or maybe a visitor. He's local because 417 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,680 Speaker 1: he's still in town a week later when America's must 418 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 1: wanted shows up at the Bowling Alley to do a reenact, 419 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 1: he's still there. This guy is local. I agree completely, 420 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 1: and it's a tragedy that they did not. The police 421 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 1: did not pick up on this. I mean, I hate 422 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 1: to bash anybody in second guess him, but there were 423 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:33,640 Speaker 1: opportunities to put that description out to the public. That 424 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 1: information needs to be out immediately. They did call the FBI, 425 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 1: which is what they should have done, and they got 426 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 1: the assistance because the FBI is excellent at this type 427 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 1: of crime. But how they missed that, I have no 428 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 1: idea if they would have got that unique description out 429 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 1: to the public. I agree he is probably a local, 430 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 1: or was at least at the crime stories with Nancy 431 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:21,200 Speaker 1: Grace back to Teresa English just as Tika's mother. Teresa, again, 432 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 1: thank you so much. Sometimes I hate to ask to 433 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 1: speak to you because I don't want to dredge everything 434 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 1: back up again. But yet I feel we have to 435 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 1: what do you make of these reports of the white 436 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,680 Speaker 1: male with pot marks? I mean, come on, You've got 437 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 1: a white male with pot marks seeing that night, plowing 438 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 1: through a crowd dragging a little girl that matches Tika's 439 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:53,080 Speaker 1: description by the hand. Then you see this guy, this 440 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 1: freaky dude, a white male with pot marks, showing up 441 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 1: at the re enact with America's Most Wanted back at 442 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 1: the ball Alley. You don't know how mad I was 443 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 1: when I found out this information. I was living, you know, 444 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 1: knowing that this young teenager came up to you know, 445 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 1: called three days later and said that he's seen who 446 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 1: took Tica and they did nothing about this nothing. I 447 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 1: want to follow up on what we're talking about. People 448 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 1: often return to the scene and this guy shows back 449 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 1: up at the bowling Alley and they're riding in plain sight. Nancy, 450 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 1: We've learned from this, and I will simply tell you 451 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 1: that we now film funerals and a number of other 452 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 1: things looking for the subject of the purp to show 453 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 1: up again. And it's interesting in connection with the America's 454 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 1: Most Wanted. You wonder if they still have film and 455 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 1: the cameras they kept to look back into the crowd 456 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 1: to see if that individual is there, because we understand 457 00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 1: that people get pleasure out of this. They want to 458 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 1: come and see what's happening, so their pleasure is derived 459 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 1: in part from actually witnessing the suffering of individuals whom 460 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 1: they have injured. Tyler Let's pay zero zero c our 461 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 1: friends at Kuaimaline. After Tika goes missing, cold case detectives 462 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 1: review old police reports. They focus on those involving children 463 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 1: who had been approached by a stranger around the bowling alley. 464 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 1: There had been several The year before Ticad disappeared, a 465 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 1: man reported to security that his four year old son 466 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 1: had been assaulted in the restroom by a white man 467 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 1: with curly brown hair and a beard. A few weeks 468 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 1: before Ticad disappeared, the mother of a six year old 469 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 1: boy stopped and attempted abduction of her son. The suspect 470 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 1: also described as a white male with brown hair. And 471 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 1: on the same day Tka went missing, there was another incident. 472 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 1: A man had taken his two children to the park 473 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 1: less than a mile away from New Frontier Lanes. He 474 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 1: saw a stranger near the bathrooms who was motioning for 475 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 1: the two children. To come to him. The father chased 476 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 1: the man off. He was a white man with brown hair, 477 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 1: wearing a baseball hat. He's never been identified at this 478 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:09,440 Speaker 1: close proximity to the bowling alley. That is no coincidence. 479 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 1: I want you to hear Tica's father talking about when 480 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 1: Tica goes missing. This is Shelby Miller k I R O. Seven. 481 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 1: I've thought of my daughter every single day. January twenty third, 482 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety nine, Robert Lewis's life changed forever. Police say 483 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 1: someone abducted his innocent, brown eyed baby girl from the 484 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 1: New Frontier Bowling Alley into Coma. More than two decades later, 485 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 1: Robert hasn't given up hope. We sit there and rewatched 486 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 1: Blues Clues and she have her tweety bird slippers on, 487 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 1: and that's what I remember, just my little baby. Thursday 488 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 1: to come on. Police release new details about the investigation. 489 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 1: Detectives are searching for information about a white man who's 490 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 1: thirty to forty years old, has brown, curly hair, a mustache, 491 00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 1: and pock marks on his face. They say he was 492 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 1: seen at the bowling Alley the night the two year 493 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 1: old was abducted. These developments stopped Tika's father in his 494 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 1: tracks put me right back to nineteen eighty nine. Got 495 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 1: the phone call to Olivia Lavois, crime reporter with cute 496 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 1: thirteen Fox Again, Olivia, thank you for being with us. 497 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 1: A lot of the reporting has been done by you, 498 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 1: a lot of the investigative work. Where does the case 499 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:25,240 Speaker 1: stand right now, Olivia? You know, unfortunately there hasn't been 500 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 1: much movement with the case, which is incredibly disappointing because 501 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 1: when we released this new information over a year ago, 502 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 1: now about a year and a half ago, we really 503 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 1: thought this was going to be it. This suspect description 504 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 1: was surely going to get investigators some very solid leads 505 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 1: on who this suspect could be, and that just hasn't happened. 506 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 1: So I feel it's very important to keep that suspect 507 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 1: description out there to remind people this individual had a 508 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 1: deeply pockmarked face. Surely someone out there has to know 509 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 1: who we're describing. Back to Teresa English, Miss English, I 510 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:14,720 Speaker 1: know you have other children, but there's no way to 511 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:21,520 Speaker 1: feel the empty hole of Tica missing. Tell me how 512 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 1: you get through each day. If it wasn't for my 513 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 1: other kids, I probably wouldn't be here, you know, I 514 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:31,240 Speaker 1: have a missing piece in my heart. You know, everything 515 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 1: is gone and the only thing that's going to put 516 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 1: my heart to hold is to find out what happened 517 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 1: to my daughter. You know, it's been twenty two years old. 518 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 1: My daughter's about to turn twenty five, and I've been 519 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,080 Speaker 1: living a nightmare because I don't know what happened to 520 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 1: my daughter, you know. And is the police really working 521 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,920 Speaker 1: on my daughter's case? No, they're not, they're not. And 522 00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:00,640 Speaker 1: all I've asked for twenty two years is what happened 523 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 1: to Pica? Who took my baby? Who took her? Now 524 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 1: they know, they just need to find out who this 525 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:11,239 Speaker 1: man is. They could have found her twenty two years ago. 526 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 1: If they wouldn't listened to this witness, they would have 527 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:18,560 Speaker 1: brought him back in. This is a credible witness. This 528 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 1: man still remembers from day one about what this man 529 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 1: looks like. This man showed up This should have been 530 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 1: you know, he showed up twice at the bowling alley. 531 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:35,319 Speaker 1: They should have took that when people were coming forward saying, hey, 532 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 1: this is the guy. We need to find out who 533 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,799 Speaker 1: this man is. Where is Peka? Where is she? If 534 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:43,880 Speaker 1: she's not out here? No more? We just want to 535 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:45,799 Speaker 1: find out where she's at, what did you do with her? 536 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,640 Speaker 1: All we want is closure, and we've been asking that 537 00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,440 Speaker 1: for twenty two years now. All we want is closure. 538 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:58,000 Speaker 1: If you know or even think you know anything regarding 539 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 1: the white male, brown hair, heavily pot marked face. If 540 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 1: you think you know anything, please dial two five three 541 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:17,279 Speaker 1: five nine one fifty nine fifty nine, repeat two five three, 542 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:22,319 Speaker 1: five nine one fifty nine fifty nine or crime Stoppers, 543 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:28,120 Speaker 1: which is eight hundred two two two tips eight hundred 544 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:34,840 Speaker 1: two two two eight four seven seven. Our prayers, Fertika 545 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:44,160 Speaker 1: go on, but we want justice. Nancy Grace Crime Story 546 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 1: signing off, goodbye friend