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Speaker 1: brought us and myself, Kyle Yeoman's trying to hold it
Speaker 1: down here from the Star and what is one of
Speaker 1: the more crazy weeks that I can remember covering this branchise.
Speaker 1: It is a happy saint. Patrick's happy as well. Um yeah,
Speaker 1: and I'm on the other end of it two on
Speaker 1: one oh five three the fan with our show and
Speaker 1: it's been a roller coaster ride. And I you know,
Speaker 1: my experience of being a former scout and working in
Speaker 1: the league and having friends that still do this in
Speaker 1: the league. You know, the the emotions that you feel
Speaker 1: at this time when you feel like you have something
Speaker 1: done when it doesn't work out the one you just
Speaker 1: missed on, you know, the one you got. I mean,
Speaker 1: it is a it's a very very difficult time because
Speaker 1: you kind of you lay out your plan for how
Speaker 1: you want to build your team, you know, before the draft,
Speaker 1: and if you could supplement it with a couple of
Speaker 1: players that can keep you from having to focus so
Speaker 1: much on the draft, it sure takes a lot of
Speaker 1: pressure off you. And this team is you know, last
Speaker 1: year did a really nice job with free agency. They'll
Speaker 1: be it week two, week three free agency, but they
Speaker 1: had a good plan, they got some good they got
Speaker 1: some good play the guys that they got, and you know,
Speaker 1: to miss out on signing one of their own, you know,
Speaker 1: is a little bit of a kick in the gut.
Speaker 1: But they you know, you don't put your head in
Speaker 1: the sand and you go try and figure out some things.
Speaker 1: And that's what we're going to do throughout the course
Speaker 1: of this show is look at alternative moves of action
Speaker 1: for this Cowboys team. Where do they go next? Is
Speaker 1: it possible to replace a guy like Randy Gregory? And
Speaker 1: we'll get into that here in a couple of seconds,
Speaker 1: is it possible to replace him in the NFL draft.
Speaker 1: But let's talk about that situation, because when we were
Speaker 1: recording on Tuesday, we were under the impression that Randy
Speaker 1: Gregory was going to have a star on the side
Speaker 1: of his Yes, we were. We thought that was done.
Speaker 1: It was already agreed to terms. He felt like he
Speaker 1: was back. And then in the thirty minutes after the
Speaker 1: show it ended on Tuesday, was when the news came
Speaker 1: out that he had had a rocky ending, no pun
Speaker 1: intended with Dallas going to Denver, right, and he agrees
Speaker 1: to a five year deal there. So what is your
Speaker 1: initial reaction to that or what was your initial reaction? Yeah,
Speaker 1: trying to be really fair because the owner and general
Speaker 1: manager one day reminded me in a hallway. He goes, hey,
Speaker 1: you're kicking my ass, but you're fair about it, and
Speaker 1: so I continue to kick his ass, but I try
Speaker 1: to be fair about it. And you know that My
Speaker 1: reaction was, there's two sides of the story. Now, if
Speaker 1: you believe what you know, this is a Denver based agent.
Speaker 1: He has ties with the Broncos. I talk to my
Speaker 1: folks at the Broncos. They're super super happy about having
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory that that's number one in their mind. And so,
Speaker 1: you know, if you're an agent and you have a
Speaker 1: client that somebody really really wants and you're based in
Speaker 1: that city, you can deliver players. You know, you can try.
Speaker 1: I think I think that his group was looking for
Speaker 1: they agreed to the deal, then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: it's like, well, maybe I need to get my client
Speaker 1: here closer to where I can watch him a little bit,
Speaker 1: you know, And I think that's where you start to
Speaker 1: find Okay, well maybe this language isn't right, and maybe
Speaker 1: that language isn't right, And so I've tried to get
Speaker 1: both sides of the story. The agent says there's language
Speaker 1: that they didn't like. The Cowboys said there was language
Speaker 1: that we always use. So it's somebody is right here,
Speaker 1: you know, and a lot of I know a lot
Speaker 1: of agents and player personal guys I've talked around the
Speaker 1: league says this agent is kind of off at a
Speaker 1: little bit that he's not that's dealing with him is
Speaker 1: never a good thing, and you know, and unfortunate for Randy.
Speaker 1: I feel like that he wanted to be here in Dallas,
Speaker 1: I think he was excited about the opportunity of, you know,
Speaker 1: he's got family and stuff here that he's really he's
Speaker 1: into and now it's you know, that situation where he's
Speaker 1: going to have to move to Colorado and then Okay,
Speaker 1: how much you're really going to get to see your family. Sure,
Speaker 1: he's got millions of dollars now he can charter planes
Speaker 1: or get plane tickets or whatever he needs to do.
Speaker 1: But this place was really his home, and you know,
Speaker 1: and I think the owner, Um, I think the owner
Speaker 1: did everything he could for him. I think Randy went
Speaker 1: through some terrible stuff with what the league did to him.
Speaker 1: So there was a there was a relationship there, and
Speaker 1: and the fact that he that it ended the way
Speaker 1: it did. I think both sides are to blame. Maybe
Speaker 1: the Cowboys negotiated a little with hard tactics or you
Speaker 1: know up until what we you know, until the signing period,
Speaker 1: and maybe the agents just said, listen, I'm I'm a
Speaker 1: I'm a Denver base agent. You know, getting a player
Speaker 1: that the Broncos like is a feather in my cap.
Speaker 1: So I think there's a couple of factors really rolling
Speaker 1: on here, man, And it could be both sides to blame,
Speaker 1: and I think to a certain exteps it is both
Speaker 1: sides to blame because there's always two stories to somebody's
Speaker 1: right here, Yeah, somebody's right and and the Cowboys will
Speaker 1: tell you that they never had a chance to remove
Speaker 1: the provision or even talk about that. The agent will
Speaker 1: say that they put the provision in there on them
Speaker 1: and they didn't say anything about it. But if you
Speaker 1: look at some of the common contracts they've had or
Speaker 1: the contracts in the past, Randy Gregory's contract has that provision,
Speaker 1: So maybe they wanted to remove but I don't feel
Speaker 1: like the Cowboys were ever given the opportunity to remove it.
Speaker 1: That's what they're saying. The agents say, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys had a chance. We never got to talk
Speaker 1: to him about it. So it is. It's it's a
Speaker 1: very very tough situation here. I think Randy and Randy
Speaker 1: Gregory is in the middle of it. Yep. And unfortunately
Speaker 1: though he moves on and the Dallas Cowboys do have
Speaker 1: some a lot of money that they earmarked for him,
Speaker 1: that is, you know, available now to go and try
Speaker 1: and fix some things. Very happy for Randy Gregory. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's put that out there. Everybody here, I think is
Speaker 1: happy for Randy Gregory to get the money he did
Speaker 1: to get to contract and the opportunity that he has
Speaker 1: to finally make that NFL money unlike he did early
Speaker 1: in his career. But it is, it puts the Cowboys
Speaker 1: in a tough situation. It does. Here's where they have
Speaker 1: to respond, and at least to this point, they haven't
Speaker 1: really responded with anything. It looked like there were names
Speaker 1: out there. Von Miller of course, was being thrown around.
Speaker 1: He signs a deal with the Buffalo Bills. Then you've
Speaker 1: got Chandler Jones going to the Raiders. They had names
Speaker 1: to potentially replace Gregory. Zadarius Smith, Darius Smith. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: had to figure out out the back with Zadarius Smith.
Speaker 1: And I talked to people with the Packers, like literally
Speaker 1: minutes before he signed back with the Ravens. He was like,
Speaker 1: I was saying, Hey, how good is this back? And
Speaker 1: because you know, we were starting to hear reports that
Speaker 1: the Cowboys were involved, Well, the Cowboys really never got involved.
Speaker 1: I mean, this guy was going back to the Ravens.
Speaker 1: But everything that Green Bay, my guys tell me the
Speaker 1: back is fine. He's ready to play so, I mean,
Speaker 1: I was thinking they were going to be questions about that,
Speaker 1: but yeah, it went really really fast. And the and
Speaker 1: the problem is when you're thinking about the Cowboys, you're thinking, well,
Speaker 1: they're in, but they're really not in. You know, they're there.
Speaker 1: They talk due diligences, the word that's kind of bad.
Speaker 1: They talk about being in on deals and they're really
Speaker 1: not in on deals. And with that being said, now
Speaker 1: you have to look at maybe back end edge rushers,
Speaker 1: the guys that aren't the top of the market because
Speaker 1: pretty much all those guys are off the board with
Speaker 1: the exception and maybe a Bobby Wagner there. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: even really classify him as a pure edge rusher, but
Speaker 1: maybe the Bobby Wagner guy that you could add to
Speaker 1: the second level of the defense is still around. Yeah, however,
Speaker 1: edge rusher may be where we talk about early in
Speaker 1: the draft. It doesn't have to be at twenty four,
Speaker 1: but early on. Is it possible, first off, just to
Speaker 1: get this out of the way, to replace the production
Speaker 1: of Randy Gregory early in this draft class, because kind
Speaker 1: of doesn't look like it at least if you're not outside,
Speaker 1: if you're outside of the top ten fifteen picks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that, you know, depending on how this draft falls,
Speaker 1: and you know, I think we've done a really good
Speaker 1: job so far of kind of identifying the top guys.
Speaker 1: I think whoever the Cowboys take at twenty four, I
Speaker 1: think there's gonna be a really good name there. It
Speaker 1: might be a player that has a little bit of
Speaker 1: an efficiency, or is not the tallest or not the
Speaker 1: longest star, not the you know, doesn't have the longest arms,
Speaker 1: but it's a really really good player. I think you
Speaker 1: can eliminate Thibodeaux, Hutchinson. I think you can eliminate Walker, Thibodeaux, Oregon, Hutchinson, Michigan,
Speaker 1: Walker Georgia. I think are those are your top three
Speaker 1: that to me, I think you can eliminate just watching
Speaker 1: how this thing might fall. Now we're talking about the
Speaker 1: karloftis from Pence from Purdue, Jermaine Johnson from Florida State,
Speaker 1: a job Bo from Michigan. I would even uh maffe
Speaker 1: from from Minnesota. I wouldn't even consider a guy that
Speaker 1: These are guys that I personally like, I you know,
Speaker 1: I those would be the guys, and then you know,
Speaker 1: you get into the others that they might you know,
Speaker 1: they might like Drake Jackson more than me, or you know,
Speaker 1: they might like these these guys. So I just kind
Speaker 1: of feel like though that at twenty four, you know,
Speaker 1: the guy that I would really really like out of
Speaker 1: all that would be karloftis from from Purdue. I think
Speaker 1: he could fill that role for you of of of
Speaker 1: you know with Randy with the pressures, you know, I
Speaker 1: think he I think he plays the run well enough. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, there's just a lot of positive things about him.
Speaker 1: Jermaine Johnson. If you talk to the scouts around the
Speaker 1: league about Jermaine Johnson, they're kind of saying that the
Speaker 1: media scouts have him higher than a lot of teams
Speaker 1: are sure, So we'll see how that plays out. The
Speaker 1: thing with a Jobo at Michigan, and I don't know
Speaker 1: how you feel about this. I think he's the one
Speaker 1: that has the biggest upside. I think the rawness of him, though,
Speaker 1: is a little bit scary to me. No, I'm right
Speaker 1: there with you. I have him as the bendy athletic. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Other quote unquote edge rusher from Michigan because Aidan Hutchinson
Speaker 1: ate up a lot of those double teams and it
Speaker 1: left a Jabo open. We talked about this with Dame
Speaker 1: Brugler at the Combine too, But you're right, he's very raw.
Speaker 1: There's a lot you could add to his game, but
Speaker 1: the traits are all there for a Jobo. I think
Speaker 1: ultimately he could be that next level edge rusher, but
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be immediately. That's the only thing. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, you're gonna want somebody that you can plug
Speaker 1: and play. And then the determination is with this draft
Speaker 1: and if you like I say, if you get a
Speaker 1: shot at draft and Walker from from Georgia, I mean,
Speaker 1: just hand that card in, let's go. Kind I'm right
Speaker 1: there with you. But that's you know, but that's that's
Speaker 1: kind of where it is on the defensive end. I
Speaker 1: know that some people, and this is just something that
Speaker 1: I'm hearing you because of Daniel Hunter being at Minnesota.
Speaker 1: You know, they have a roster bonus that they have
Speaker 1: to come up with a guaranteed part of his contract.
Speaker 1: I don't know exactly the number on it. I need
Speaker 1: to know that before my show today. But there's people
Speaker 1: I asked around the league. I said, what do you
Speaker 1: give up for Daniel Hunter? Who was an established pass
Speaker 1: rusher and you talk about if he was an available,
Speaker 1: you would talk about him in that group with the
Speaker 1: von Miller's and Chandler Jones and guys like that. And
Speaker 1: everybody seems to think I talked to three teams this
Speaker 1: morning that third round compensation would be what you would
Speaker 1: consider doing. And I'm like, going, okay, So it's not
Speaker 1: a one or two, it's a it's actually could be
Speaker 1: a three. And so you know, you've got all these
Speaker 1: multiple fives, you've got a third. You know, if you
Speaker 1: really wanted to go do this and you wanted to
Speaker 1: fix this pass rush situation, you go trade for him
Speaker 1: and then figure out a way to redo the contract.
Speaker 1: That's what can you move. Yeah, make a move that way.
Speaker 1: So there's options for them there if they want to
Speaker 1: go big time and swing for the fin you know,
Speaker 1: give up a three. You could take all those fives,
Speaker 1: move those fives back up into the third round if
Speaker 1: you want to, if you were worried about losing your three.
Speaker 1: But man, you get an established player, it would take
Speaker 1: a lot of pressure off them having to hope that
Speaker 1: if Karloftus is there or Johnson's there, one of those
Speaker 1: guys there. That kind of it kind of could focus
Speaker 1: him on some of these other positions, whether it's the
Speaker 1: linebacker or the receiver or one of those interior offensive lineman.
Speaker 1: Eighteen million dollars is the bonus. The roster bonus vests
Speaker 1: on Sunday for Minnesota. And that's a lot of money
Speaker 1: to try and move around for a team that claims
Speaker 1: that they don't have a ton of money to work with.
Speaker 1: But see that's the problem though. I think with the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: I mean you have to kind of figure out, Okay,
Speaker 1: what were you willing to give Randy? Were you ever
Speaker 1: willing to do that with Von Miller? It doesn't appear
Speaker 1: so Chandler Jones, I mean, you know, to me, you
Speaker 1: go get you go get a Daniel Hunter. And people
Speaker 1: are going to be critical of me again because he's LSU.
Speaker 1: I know. I'm just saying, just watch can play at Minnesota.
Speaker 1: Look at the sack numbers at Minnesota, look at the pressures. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was Nick dub last year. But you know, you
Speaker 1: could go get a guy like that if you if
Speaker 1: you're telling me I could sacrifice the third, I'll figure
Speaker 1: out the money because there's there's nobody on that board,
Speaker 1: you know. I remember, I remember being in Philadelphia and
Speaker 1: work in the nineteen ninety eight draft with Michael Lombardi
Speaker 1: and we had second round pick, and Hugh Douglas was
Speaker 1: at the Jets, and Hugh was a really a good
Speaker 1: player coming out of college. Jets draft him in the
Speaker 1: first round. Parcels wants to get rid of him. Mike
Speaker 1: Lombardi makes a deal because he goes, hey, man, I
Speaker 1: could get Hugh Douglas for a second round pick. And
Speaker 1: I'm looking at my board. I go, Mike, there's nobody
Speaker 1: on that board in the second round. It's better than
Speaker 1: Hugh Douglas. You know. Tell me, tell me on your
Speaker 1: board who's better at the third round than to Neil Hunter.
Speaker 1: If you could pull that deal, you know, and you
Speaker 1: get that pass Rusher. So I'm all four deal like that.
Speaker 1: I don't know necessary if the Cowboys would do something,
Speaker 1: but I think that our show today is talking about options,
Speaker 1: that's an option I would surely consider. I agree completely.
Speaker 1: And you're looking at third round names like a maybe
Speaker 1: a Cameron Thomas san Diego State, Arnold Evacadie from Penn State. Exactly,
Speaker 1: You're not You're not going to get a Daniel Hunter
Speaker 1: in the third round. At least that's gonna come in
Speaker 1: and look yeah, I mean, I mean there's all these
Speaker 1: guys to me that you know, if you're gonna if
Speaker 1: you're gonna try and grab a third round defensive end,
Speaker 1: I think you might be in a little bit of
Speaker 1: a trouble there. So based off of what you're saying,
Speaker 1: four edge rushers that could plug and play, I think, well,
Speaker 1: I think so, I mean to me, I and I
Speaker 1: know people have him in different order. I really do
Speaker 1: like Thibadeau. I like Hutchinson a lot. I mean, Walker
Speaker 1: has elevated himself, and not just because of the workout.
Speaker 1: You could watch him play end, you could watch him
Speaker 1: play in defensive tackle. You know, as far as when
Speaker 1: they go nickel stuff. I mean, it's a long bindy guys,
Speaker 1: you like to say, and you know with Karloftis, I
Speaker 1: mean that guy's got some really some quality traits too. Johnson,
Speaker 1: like I say, people will have Johnson in there as well.
Speaker 1: I just kind of feel like that. Now, those four
Speaker 1: guys I mentioned, and then the second round from there,
Speaker 1: I'm right there with your four first round grades. Carlotta
Speaker 1: is being the fourth of those. Now, how much do
Speaker 1: you play in whenever you're looking at these prospects and
Speaker 1: you're thinking for the Cowboys specifically. I know we're not
Speaker 1: just a Cowboys show. We'd right to talk about the
Speaker 1: prospects too, so we can kind of relay this outside
Speaker 1: of that. How much do you play in the factor
Speaker 1: of fit with three four four three? I don't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it does. It's not as much as he used to,
Speaker 1: not at all know because what happened, what was just
Speaker 1: proven this past year with Dan Quinn is the fact
Speaker 1: that he used the linebackers one of his best pass rushers.
Speaker 1: So I mean that that I think that to me,
Speaker 1: it's about adaptability. It's about that, you know, with I
Speaker 1: mean we we all would Michael Parsons was a nice pick,
Speaker 1: but Micah Parsons became a rare pick when he became
Speaker 1: a pass rusher. And I don't think there were many
Speaker 1: draft shows where we came on and we're talking about
Speaker 1: Micah Parsons as being this rare pass rusher now. So
Speaker 1: it's about adaptability. It's almost some at times, out of
Speaker 1: necessity and maybe desperation, that you try things and you're like,
Speaker 1: my god, that thing just worked out Week two against
Speaker 1: LA Yeah, that was desperation. You didn't have Brandy, you
Speaker 1: didn't have DeMarcus Lawrence, didn't have anything. You had to
Speaker 1: have Micah, Yeah, exactly. And once he once we all
Speaker 1: figured out that he could rush the pass or then
Speaker 1: he becomes the defensive player of the year kind of guy. Yeah. Yeah, ultimately.
Speaker 1: And by the way, the Cowboys, according to Todd Archer
Speaker 1: seventeen minutes ago, saying they are closing in on a
Speaker 1: deal to retain defensive Endoorance Armstrong. Yeah, and you knew
Speaker 1: that was going to happen as soon as Randy was
Speaker 1: out the door. Yeah, the Lord's Armstrong is gonna happen.
Speaker 1: Maybe you get Brett Urban back. Maybe you know, they'll
Speaker 1: have a flurry of these signings now that are kind
Speaker 1: of you know, and will they go after a guy
Speaker 1: like Hunter and no, we but we have to talk
Speaker 1: about it. Sure, you know, you have to say okay,
Speaker 1: and then when he ends up somewhere else, then we're
Speaker 1: all going to look at each other like, okay, well
Speaker 1: why not. And you know that's but I we knew this.
Speaker 1: You're gonna get all the flurry of those signings. Hopefully
Speaker 1: you'll you know, hopefully they'll get cursed done, you know,
Speaker 1: and then like a say, you'll have two or three
Speaker 1: other ones that should fall into place. Yeah, it's how
Speaker 1: did they use the money? How do they respond after
Speaker 1: Randy put them in a tough spot? Ultimately the Randy
Speaker 1: Gregory's signing. Going into that, you felt like this offseason
Speaker 1: was heading in the right direction. I was. I went
Speaker 1: on Twitter and gave the front office credit for how
Speaker 1: they handled tank steal and then how they got Randy done,
Speaker 1: and then everybody's zombie now by well that aged well,
Speaker 1: and that's but that's you know, I was the nature
Speaker 1: of the league. Yeah, it's the nature of the league.
Speaker 1: You know. You don't feel like you're going to sign
Speaker 1: a guy then lose a guy that That wasn't going
Speaker 1: to be the case now and up until the Randy
Speaker 1: debacle happened, really the only knock in the off season
Speaker 1: was the Amari Cooper and the trade there. And we
Speaker 1: talked about that a lot on Tuesday, and they'd had enough.
Speaker 1: They'd moved on from a market and you know, and
Speaker 1: that's fine. They got the compensation they wanted, they got
Speaker 1: the contract off the books, and so they've got themselves
Speaker 1: to space and now you know, now go figure out
Speaker 1: what's going on at wide receiver. You know, make sure
Speaker 1: that Michael Gallup gets as completely as healthy as you can.
Speaker 1: Britt Brown and these guys do a hell of a
Speaker 1: job happen those ACL injuries. I have a feeling this
Speaker 1: kit will be as good as new before the season starts. Man,
Speaker 1: we were talking about interior offensive line, offensive tackles, interior
Speaker 1: defensive line, and now it's Ed Dresher and wide receiver.
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Speaker 1: the twenty Time where we answer your questions off of Twitter.
Speaker 1: Let's stay away from edge rusher for a split second.
Speaker 1: You may go back to it here in a little bit,
Speaker 1: but I know we talked about it a lot in
Speaker 1: the first segment. Let's go back to interior offensive line.
Speaker 1: If the Cowboys do indeed get lucky enough to pick
Speaker 1: Tyler Linderbaum out of Iowa at pick number twenty four.
Speaker 1: Who could they target in the later rounds two through
Speaker 1: seven at guard because double dipping on that offensive line
Speaker 1: to get two new starters in the draft. So basically
Speaker 1: you're talking about starter caliber players at guard from rounds
Speaker 1: two through seven. I really do like when you start
Speaker 1: to talk about guys like Mumford from Ohio State. I
Speaker 1: think Ryan from UCLA. These are guys that played offensive
Speaker 1: tackled during the year. Chris Paul was another one. I'm
Speaker 1: not the basketball players that you see on the commercials,
Speaker 1: but Chris Paul, the from Memphis I think would be
Speaker 1: a guy that I would surely consider right there at
Speaker 1: the guard spot. So yeah, I mean, you know, the
Speaker 1: Cowboys could very well fall in love with Green from
Speaker 1: Texas A and m at that spot, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: it seems like to me he's slipping. Zion Johnson is
Speaker 1: a guy that's getting a lot of momentum. I could
Speaker 1: see the Cowboys totally being invested in a guy like
Speaker 1: Zion Johnson. Boston College has a great history. I know
Speaker 1: those are early guys Kinnard, Kentucky kind of earlier second
Speaker 1: round potential guys. So but I would say I would
Speaker 1: keep an eye on Mumfro from Ohio, Day Ryan from Ucla,
Speaker 1: Chris Paul from from from Tulsa, Tulsa. That's say Memphis.
Speaker 1: Yeah I did, but that's okay, that's it. Yeah, Tulsa
Speaker 1: is what I meant. I'm sorry, Chris Baul. I like
Speaker 1: him a lot. He was a combined invite Senior Bowl guy.
Speaker 1: I really kind of stood out from time to time.
Speaker 1: Wasn't the best player on the field by any means
Speaker 1: in terms of the offensive line in the guard position,
Speaker 1: but he was always a guy who you kind of
Speaker 1: kept an eye on. Yeah, do you think ed Ingram
Speaker 1: could potentially fall if if Kenyon Green is falling like
Speaker 1: he is? Do you think at Ingram out of LSU
Speaker 1: could be there at fifty six? You know what? I
Speaker 1: really do like Ingram. He is my favorite guard. I
Speaker 1: just the reason I don't bring him up as much
Speaker 1: is because again, well he's not I've Green above him,
Speaker 1: and then I have Ingram, and then I have Johnson.
Speaker 1: Got it, just the just the preference that I have there.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think with Ingram, I think there's some
Speaker 1: there's some people, I mean, there's some questions about like
Speaker 1: like how well he really moves I mean, people were
Speaker 1: talking about that early and I was watching the tape.
Speaker 1: I watch a ton of LSU games, I mean, I
Speaker 1: watch every one of them. And I was watching the tape,
Speaker 1: and I was watching Alabama, and I was watching Texas
Speaker 1: A and M and I saw a second level blocker
Speaker 1: and all that. I mean, I didn't see a guy
Speaker 1: that struggle. I saw a guy that played with a
Speaker 1: lot of power. Though. That's the thing about it that
Speaker 1: I was really you know, I was kind of thinking
Speaker 1: about the you know, with the Cowboys situation there, you know,
Speaker 1: playing inside. One of the thing that Jerry Jones is really, really,
Speaker 1: really big on is the fact that he wants though
Speaker 1: he doesn't want the front of the pocket to collapse,
Speaker 1: nobody does. Quarterbacks can't deal when they could deal with
Speaker 1: the edge, they can't deal with the with the what
Speaker 1: happens in front. And that's why you've seen Jerry Jones
Speaker 1: kind of invest in like Travis Frederick and Zach Martin
Speaker 1: and you know, high picks on interior, you know, offensive lineman. Heck,
Speaker 1: you know, Connor McGovern had a grade of one two one,
Speaker 1: which is a if you know, low numbers the best
Speaker 1: and that that's the top of the second round. Wow,
Speaker 1: is where his grade was. But I mean the thing
Speaker 1: about Ingram, like, I mean, he's able to open some
Speaker 1: big holes. And I mean there's like you could see
Speaker 1: it behind him. They're running the football, the knee bind,
Speaker 1: the body control, he gets his hands inside. I mean,
Speaker 1: I just see a powerful guy like forklifting his guy up,
Speaker 1: you know. So I just, you know, I just kind
Speaker 1: of thought he was a guy that i'd really really
Speaker 1: like six three three zero seven. You know, it's just
Speaker 1: kind of got that build to play inside. And you know, again,
Speaker 1: Zion Johnson's a little bit same height, about five pounds
Speaker 1: heavier if you want to if you want to tail
Speaker 1: the tape, No, that's great. And I'm looking at at
Speaker 1: Ingram above Zion Johnson. They're touching tags right now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I thought about making that switch to Kenny. And
Speaker 1: I feel like, are the only two on this show
Speaker 1: that aren't as high on Zion as maybe a Cavanaugh. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And you know what, and you know, if he's selected
Speaker 1: by the Cowboys, please don't take me wrong. It might
Speaker 1: be just a bad day of watching take you know,
Speaker 1: but I just kind of feel like, though there's Green,
Speaker 1: Ingram Johnson, they're all right there in a cluster. And
Speaker 1: if I don't be the first to admit, you know,
Speaker 1: when we get to the process, if the Cowboys take
Speaker 1: Zion Johnson and he steps in there and he gives
Speaker 1: you stability at that left guard spot, I'll be the
Speaker 1: first one to admit, because I do there's some issues
Speaker 1: I have. I think all these guys have got issues.
Speaker 1: And I can say, at twenty four, you're gonna have
Speaker 1: something that's gonna be wrong with you. You're gonna have
Speaker 1: good things. You're gonna have like a list of take
Speaker 1: the legal pad. You're gonna have your good your good
Speaker 1: list on one side, and then you're gonna have two
Speaker 1: or three things on that other side that you're going, Okay,
Speaker 1: Can I live with this? Sure? Can I live with this?
Speaker 1: And I think all three of these guys, Johnson, Ingram
Speaker 1: Green have those kinds of abilities. It's the same kind
Speaker 1: of thing you talk about damaged goods. Yeah, you get
Speaker 1: to that ladder part. Still a really really good football player,
Speaker 1: no question, no question. There's times where I've got into
Speaker 1: about the bosas and people like that. You know, guys,
Speaker 1: I still have like highly ranked I'm just letting you
Speaker 1: know there's things that you kind of look at that,
Speaker 1: you say, okay, this could keep him from being there's
Speaker 1: a reason why he's at twenty four and not at
Speaker 1: you know, not at eight or ten, top ten pick exactly.
Speaker 1: Eric asked, if you're trading in between twenty four and
Speaker 1: fifty six, you're trying to get right back up and
Speaker 1: then the top fifty realm, what would that take and
Speaker 1: what would your strategy change, Like, how would it change
Speaker 1: if you had three picks in the top fifty six. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think my strategy it what it would take is
Speaker 1: I was trying to use I always like to use players,
Speaker 1: and I was trying to think about Jacksonville, and I
Speaker 1: was thinking about Jets, and I was thinking about Jacksonville
Speaker 1: with with really what the offensive lineman, you know, with
Speaker 1: Lyle Collins using him as a way to go from that,
Speaker 1: you know, in the middle of the second round, all
Speaker 1: the way up, I was singing about the Jets. When
Speaker 1: it came to with the Maury Cooper trade, how do
Speaker 1: you get up into those spots? So yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: you've got you've got ammunition. You know, you think, like, well,
Speaker 1: the only fifth round picks put them all together. You know,
Speaker 1: somebody somebody will say, well, heck, yeah, I'll take your
Speaker 1: three and your two fives and we'll go you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, so there's ways of doing it. I think
Speaker 1: people really you try and get people, let them keep
Speaker 1: their picks if you're interested in flopping picks is another
Speaker 1: thing that's really I think a really good weapon to
Speaker 1: use that some teams, like we saw in the Commanders
Speaker 1: and Colts trade was a flopping of where you're gonna pick. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was targeting, Like I said, I was now trying
Speaker 1: to think about Lyle Collins. But you know, Jacksonville has
Speaker 1: done a whole lot with their offensive line now and
Speaker 1: stuff like that since we last talks. They've spent a
Speaker 1: lot of money. Yeah, they've spent a lot of money.
Speaker 1: And so but if you can, if you can take
Speaker 1: all those fives you got and put a couple of
Speaker 1: them with the three, you could go up as you know,
Speaker 1: you can go up into that area. I was talking
Speaker 1: about the thirty three to forty if you really but
Speaker 1: it's going to cost you probably you know, two or
Speaker 1: three picks to do it, and then possibly a player.
Speaker 1: Do you think Lyle could be kind of collaterized? I was,
Speaker 1: you know, I was hopeful. But if if I'm hearing
Speaker 1: that Daniel Hunter, who is a really good player, is
Speaker 1: going for potentially a third round pick, then then you
Speaker 1: know what's Lyle Collins gonna go for? Is he gonna
Speaker 1: go for a four or five? I was hopeful of
Speaker 1: three was bet would be where he's at. But people
Speaker 1: are kind of in that mode right now. There's questions.
Speaker 1: I know for a fact that the New England Patriots
Speaker 1: have talked about you know, Lyle Collins, and you know
Speaker 1: they moved on from Shaq Mason, I believe and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. So don't be surprised, like, you know, don't
Speaker 1: be surprised if the fifth round pick that the the
Speaker 1: the Patriots got, you know, in the Mason deal, ends
Speaker 1: up in Dallas for Lyle Collins or something like that.
Speaker 1: You know, I can see that happening. Aaron says, who
Speaker 1: does your top or who is your top graded kicker?
Speaker 1: Have you watched any kicker? No? I mean okay, I
Speaker 1: think yeah. The thing about it is that you know,
Speaker 1: I know from a fact, you know, the kid at LSU,
Speaker 1: I've seen him with my own eyes, has been out
Speaker 1: Sanaa kde York. I think Oklahoma I think there's Texas
Speaker 1: has the Yeah, I mean there's you know, to me,
Speaker 1: when you got again, there's all those fives. You know,
Speaker 1: do you turn around and draft a kicker, you turn
Speaker 1: around and draft a punter. Have you looked at Ariza
Speaker 1: from San Diego have seen him play? Yeah, it's pretty phenomenal.
Speaker 1: He has absolutely and probably going to have to go
Speaker 1: higher than you know, these kickers and putters. People are
Speaker 1: realizing that the kicking game is such an important part.
Speaker 1: Look at the Cincinnati Bengals. They lived on their kicking
Speaker 1: game the last part of the season, you know, and
Speaker 1: was able to make that work. So I don't think
Speaker 1: you could discount you know. I think the thing with
Speaker 1: Johnny Hecker being available now the Rams moving on from
Speaker 1: him or I think they've moved on potentially. I know
Speaker 1: I was hearing some stories that they might. But yeah,
Speaker 1: and does Bones Fossil step in there, and I'm sure
Speaker 1: Bones will be at these workouts. I'm sure he's gonna
Speaker 1: go to Texas. I'm sure he's gonna go to LSU,
Speaker 1: you know. I'm sure he's gonna go all over the country,
Speaker 1: maybe go out to San Diego State to see if
Speaker 1: that kid is really as a as a weapon as
Speaker 1: he is, could be something interesting to look out for,
Speaker 1: because if you maybe take those fives, if you keep,
Speaker 1: if you hold onto those fives, I'm with you. I
Speaker 1: would rather punch him up. Let's go up and get somebody. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe try and get in the top one hundred. Again,
Speaker 1: that's tough task. You may have to give up all
Speaker 1: four for that. But if you keep the fives, draft
Speaker 1: your punter, draft your kicker, that's what I'm mean to cheap. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's exactly right. You know that you make sure that
Speaker 1: you're keeping somebody else. These punters and kickers, though, we
Speaker 1: might see again, and we've seen it in history, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean not to like it was in the nineteen
Speaker 1: seventies when guys like Steve Little and Russell erk Slave
Speaker 1: and those guys were getting picked in the first round.
Speaker 1: I think John Lee was another one that was a
Speaker 1: really high pick. I mean, we used to see first
Speaker 1: and second round kickers all Sebastian Janikowski was the first round.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I kind of feel like though that you'll
Speaker 1: see people probably take these punters and kickers earlier than
Speaker 1: maybe the Cowboys might be willing to. No, I agree
Speaker 1: with you, especially a reason because we were talking with
Speaker 1: Dane and the combine. You look at him almost as
Speaker 1: a defensive player, absolutely because of the way he can
Speaker 1: flip the field and kind of push an offense back
Speaker 1: and put their backs against the wall. Stewart asks, since
Speaker 1: we lost Randy Gregory, since the Cowboys lost Randy Gregory
Speaker 1: in free agency, does edge rusher all of a sudden
Speaker 1: take priority over wide receiver, linebacker, offensive guard? How does
Speaker 1: it shift your needs immediately? I'd say this on one
Speaker 1: oh five three every day. If I if it's not
Speaker 1: helping Dak, I'm really not interested. That's my attitude. Now.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm on the help Dak train. And so to me,
Speaker 1: if you know, dan Quinn has proven to me that
Speaker 1: he could take defensive players he didn't have his best
Speaker 1: defensive players. Are think gonna get all the turnovers they
Speaker 1: got last year? Maybe not, but you know, I think
Speaker 1: dan Quinn will do things to put his players in
Speaker 1: positions to make plays. So yeah, I mean to me,
Speaker 1: I don't sit there and just say, Okay, I've got
Speaker 1: to have a defensive end. Now I don't. And I'm
Speaker 1: not saying Dorgs Armstrong, Hey, Dorn Starmstrong. Let me tell you,
Speaker 1: I got tired of seeing Dorance Armstrong have one great
Speaker 1: game and then have three bad ones where he was
Speaker 1: not a factory. Last year was Doran's Armstrong's best year
Speaker 1: as far as this consistency goes. I think he had
Speaker 1: one less sack than Randy Gregory and that thing, and
Speaker 1: Dorn's Armstrong played really, really well. So let's see, I mean,
Speaker 1: let's see what you got with Golston, you know, I
Speaker 1: mean that's another one that I kind of saw some
Speaker 1: of the similar traits of what would Tank playing the run?
Speaker 1: Don't let him outside? You know? Is he the Pastors guy?
Speaker 1: Took Tank a little time to develop some pass rush
Speaker 1: moves and stuff like that. So maybe you'll see something
Speaker 1: with Golston. But I don't think you necessarily have to say, Okay,
Speaker 1: we're just gonna we're just gonna draft a defensive end.
Speaker 1: I'm no help Dak Prescott, receiver, guard, center, whatever that
Speaker 1: is to help Dak Prescott. Make sure you get that done.
Speaker 1: Where do you put that those three those three positions,
Speaker 1: I think I would go offensive line first. They seem
Speaker 1: to have a pretty good feel for this when they
Speaker 1: plug and play. First round offensive lineman. Worked out Frelly
Speaker 1: well for him, been pretty good. Huh yeah, yeah, it
Speaker 1: has Martin Travis Frey Smith. It's been a really good.
Speaker 1: Plug and play has been very very good for them.
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm hopeful that that if it's if
Speaker 1: it's Green or Johnson or Ingram or any of those guys,
Speaker 1: I'm hoping it's plug and play and let's go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Or if it's Linda Baum the center from Iowa, let's go.
Speaker 1: You know, but this team has to find a way.
Speaker 1: They have to get back to running the football that
Speaker 1: it helps Dak Prescott. We saw what it did the
Speaker 1: first eight weeks of the season and then the inability
Speaker 1: to not have to run the football, and then teams
Speaker 1: started playing. Teams were daring you to run the football
Speaker 1: and you couldn't run the football. Something has to change there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Speaking of running the football, Michael asked about any day
Speaker 1: three running backs you could potentially look at that the
Speaker 1: Cowboys could be interested yet, you know, and I haven't.
Speaker 1: It's interest because I haven't done a whole heck of
Speaker 1: a lot of it either. But I'll tell you what
Speaker 1: is I'm gonna probably say this poor kid's name wrong.
Speaker 1: Is it Carrian Williams from uh Kyran william from Dame
Speaker 1: from Notre Dame. Yeah, and and and this is this
Speaker 1: is Iron Williams is interesting because to me, he's a
Speaker 1: little bit of a shorter guy, five nine, one hundred
Speaker 1: ninety four pounds. They have him listened at five nine.
Speaker 1: I haven't updated that sheet. Yeah, I said no, No,
Speaker 1: he's five nine from the combine pounds. And but man,
Speaker 1: this guy you talk about a short, compact build. He's
Speaker 1: got the body, control, the balance, he could stand his feet.
Speaker 1: He's a hard guy to knock down. And I think
Speaker 1: his lack of height actually help him get helps him
Speaker 1: get through tiny cracks and gaps and stuff. And you
Speaker 1: know when you feel like he's like he's trapped and
Speaker 1: now he's out. And so I kind of I kind
Speaker 1: of have him as this. Guys like that, you know,
Speaker 1: caving on them, might like to talk about the three
Speaker 1: four cheater grade. I have him as straight four on this.
Speaker 1: But man, there's some running backs in this draft that
Speaker 1: you know, I'm sure that I'm gonna get through a
Speaker 1: lot of them, but the top guys. I don't have
Speaker 1: a first round running back, but I have a bunch
Speaker 1: I have several of them that are two's you know,
Speaker 1: Hall from Iowa State, Spiller from Texas A, and m
Speaker 1: Walker from Michigan State. Those are all like second round
Speaker 1: running backs to me. I haven't put a third round
Speaker 1: running back in there yet, but those are the guys
Speaker 1: that I've kind of seen. Right now, I've watched five
Speaker 1: running backs and I've kind of like where I feel
Speaker 1: comfortable with it. And I've watched ten total just for
Speaker 1: the Draft magazine writing these these bios. And out of
Speaker 1: the five that I've watched, Spiller, Walker, Hall or my
Speaker 1: second round guys. And then after that, I've got Williams
Speaker 1: because I liked his scat back ability. Here catch out
Speaker 1: a backfield ball. Yeah, James Cook from Georgia. I've heard
Speaker 1: good things about him, very good ball player. And then
Speaker 1: you've got a pretty big drop off from Cook, those
Speaker 1: five guys I feel really comfortable about. Then you've got
Speaker 1: Brian Robinson Junior from Alabama, DeVante Price from FIU who
Speaker 1: we saw at the Senior Bowl, longer, taller back, and
Speaker 1: then Abram Smith from Baylor who's just kind of a
Speaker 1: bowling ball bounder. Well, it's there, the kid like you
Speaker 1: mentioned Cook, Robinson White. What about your guy Abram Smith.
Speaker 1: Did you mention him at all? Yeah? I did, And
Speaker 1: the reason why I like him is because he's compact,
Speaker 1: he's low tread on the tires. At the moment, he
Speaker 1: was only a full time running back his senior year.
Speaker 1: He was full time, but he didn't play a whole
Speaker 1: lot of freshman in a sophomore moved them the linebacker
Speaker 1: was nearly all Big twelve linebacker his junior year and
Speaker 1: then flipped him back around. He had sixteen hundred yards
Speaker 1: and a ton of touchdowns thirteen touchdowns as a as
Speaker 1: a senior. Yeah, lowd tread on the tires. He's a
Speaker 1: physical back. Didn't perform as well as I thought he
Speaker 1: wouldn't in Indianapolis and also in Mobile. I thought both
Speaker 1: of them were kind of disappointed. And that might be
Speaker 1: something why some people have talked about him as like
Speaker 1: a fourth fifth round kind of guy. I wouldn't take
Speaker 1: him any higher than that got you just because of
Speaker 1: the question marks there. And I think he's a good tailback,
Speaker 1: but he's not one of those guys that's going to
Speaker 1: come in and be a starter initially in the draft.
Speaker 1: What about Sam Williams from Ole Miss edge Rusher. Have
Speaker 1: you looked at him at all? No? And then you know,
Speaker 1: and a bunch of people have been have been tweeting
Speaker 1: at me about him, and yeah, so I'm very very
Speaker 1: interested about to see where he's at on the spoort.
Speaker 1: It's amazing that I haven't got to him, and defensive
Speaker 1: end might be the position that I've seen the most of,
Speaker 1: which is really funny. Seven twelve another sixteen. I've seen
Speaker 1: sixteen guys and I haven't got to him yet. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think this is something I was going off.
Speaker 1: Dane bruglers Than sent me a list of guys and
Speaker 1: maybe initially he was not one of those guys that
Speaker 1: but yeah, I know that I have to look at him.
Speaker 1: You said you've watched sixteen guys, seventeen guys. I have
Speaker 1: him as seventeen on my board and I haven't watched
Speaker 1: him yet either. Yeah, Cowboys met with him in Indy,
Speaker 1: so I know that that's one thing on him. And
Speaker 1: then he was a late addition to the Senior Bowl roster.
Speaker 1: There you go, So we'll answer that question at some point.
Speaker 1: That's our homework assignment for Yeah, I mean, it's it's
Speaker 1: it's funny because there's a lot of these guys you're
Speaker 1: trying to kind of catch back up that maybe somebody
Speaker 1: like I said, I've really did you miss? Yeah? Who
Speaker 1: did I miss? You know? And I look at and
Speaker 1: you know, I'm looking at Dane Burglar's list they sent me,
Speaker 1: and I'm counting every one of these guys and so
Speaker 1: but there's names like Dominique Robertson from Miami, Ohio. That's
Speaker 1: been Sam Williams from Old Miss, John Pascal from Kentucky.
Speaker 1: I mean dominic Robinson from Miami, Ohio is like a
Speaker 1: two three on Dane's board. Sam Williams is a three,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean these are guys that evidently because
Speaker 1: I've looked at priently of the Sanders from Cincinnati, Bonito
Speaker 1: from Oklahoma, Barno from Virginia Tech. I mean, these are
Speaker 1: guys at all. Sam Williams is on Dane's board now
Speaker 1: is better. But I mean, that's that's been the change
Speaker 1: from what we've seen. Now. Going back to what you
Speaker 1: were talking about a little bit ago about helping Dak
Speaker 1: Prescott in the way that you kind of organize your needs,
Speaker 1: Brandon asking, I'm gonna give you five names, okay, and
Speaker 1: these all of these guys are available to pick twenty four. Okay,
Speaker 1: who are you taking? Treylon Burke's wide receiver out of Arkansas,
Speaker 1: George carloftus edge rusher from Purdue, Nikobe Dean linebacker from Georgia,
Speaker 1: Kenyon Green offensive guard from Texas A and M. And
Speaker 1: Jamison Williams wide receiver from Alabama. With Jamison Williams is
Speaker 1: my number one wide receiver. So and then so then
Speaker 1: I think you would have to start as I looks
Speaker 1: as you just named, and I'll just tell you how
Speaker 1: my first round grades are, okay, and maybe that will help.
Speaker 1: I've got Jamison Williams is my number one wide receiver.
Speaker 1: I have Burkes as my number three wide receiver. You said,
Speaker 1: who's too, just curious Wilson? Okay, okay, And then you
Speaker 1: said the next one, you said Green. I have Green
Speaker 1: in the second round. Okay. Now, when the Cowboys pick
Speaker 1: at twenty four, they're gonna pick a second round grade,
Speaker 1: likely unless somebody I've got twenty falls. Yeah, somebody falls.
Speaker 1: I've got twenty first round grades. So they're picking somebody
Speaker 1: at twenty four, they're likely picking a second round grade
Speaker 1: on your board, let's hope somebody falls. Yeah, let's hope
Speaker 1: somebody falls. But yeah, the first round, Dean was my
Speaker 1: first linebacker. Carloftus is my fourth ed rusher. The guy
Speaker 1: that probably would help you the most is probably for
Speaker 1: those for now, depending on what Green again, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm just looking at my grades. Jamison Williams would probably
Speaker 1: help you the most at wide receiver. Burks would probably
Speaker 1: help you the most at wide receiver. And now you're
Speaker 1: getting into carloft Is helping you on defense. I think
Speaker 1: I would take Carloftis over Dean on defense there, So
Speaker 1: is there anybody else I'm missing? Then Green would probably
Speaker 1: be the fifth guy, but Green Green could very well
Speaker 1: step in and be plug in play. So you're still
Speaker 1: wide receivers one two there Burks or excuse me, Williams first,
Speaker 1: then Burks. Yeah, if you're just going for best, if
Speaker 1: you're just going off my board, if you're saying, okay,
Speaker 1: rank them, how they're on your board? Now, the Cowboys
Speaker 1: could say okay Green one. Uh, they could say Carloftis two,
Speaker 1: Dean three. You know, they could they could totally you know,
Speaker 1: they could totally switch this thing up, and then the
Speaker 1: wide receivers could be not the priority here. But if
Speaker 1: you if I was drafting off my board and st
Speaker 1: my stack, my one to one ninety, Jamison, Williams and
Speaker 1: Burkes would be over, would be over Green and Dean
Speaker 1: and is what you mentioned. Yeah, I'm with you there.
Speaker 1: I think Williams and Burks would be over those two
Speaker 1: guys pretty easily. Karloftis is where I kind of have pause.
Speaker 1: See I really like George use me. Yeah, you like him,
Speaker 1: you liked him, you like him as if guy, or
Speaker 1: you don't like him. I like him. Okay, See that's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. That's to me people, He's going to
Speaker 1: be the one guy. If you said, okay, grab you know,
Speaker 1: grab the best player of need you know that's you
Speaker 1: just combined it too. That's all those guys are yes,
Speaker 1: I'd say Williams, Burks, Karloftis, Dean, All these guys are needs.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a really good question. Williams and Burks
Speaker 1: are my top two wide receivers. Williams I have as
Speaker 1: a firm first round, Burks as a firm first round,
Speaker 1: but just a little bit below Williams. And then I've
Speaker 1: got Garrett Wilson right there in a bunch, and then
Speaker 1: it's Drake London, olave Met those are my next three. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've got four Williams Wilson, Burke's Law. They are my
Speaker 1: four wide receiver. Sure and yeah, so I'm right there
Speaker 1: with you. And then I turn around the edge rushers
Speaker 1: and those top four edge rushers I can't get away
Speaker 1: from Tobodeau, Hutchinson, Trayvon Walker from Georgia, and then Carlotas
Speaker 1: I've seen same. Well, those four guys are there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm all over at at twenty four. But hey, that's
Speaker 1: a fun one, Brandon, good question. Good question. When we
Speaker 1: come back, we're going to talk about some Day three
Speaker 1: prospects we haven't necessarily gotten to yet. We're gonna try
Speaker 1: and throw out a bunch of names that you haven't
Speaker 1: heard previously when we come back here on the Draft Show.
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Speaker 1: with Hellman and Kavanaugh on Tuesday. But I thought Brian,
Speaker 1: over the next thirteen minutes or so, we could get
Speaker 1: into some Day three guys, And honestly, in the second segment,
Speaker 1: I think we started kind of getting into the weeds
Speaker 1: there a little bit of Day three guys names that
Speaker 1: we haven't necessarily touched on, because I feel like we've
Speaker 1: hit pretty much every first round name you could possibly
Speaker 1: get to a certain extent over the course of this show,
Speaker 1: and then second round we've kind of tipped our toe.
Speaker 1: What about Day three, maybe even late third round guys
Speaker 1: that you've you've watched, but you haven't necessarily had a
Speaker 1: chance to talk about yet. You know, I think to
Speaker 1: me that I brought up the I brought up the
Speaker 1: corner Emerson, Martin Emerson from Mississippi State. You know, I
Speaker 1: really do like him. I don't know, if you've seen
Speaker 1: Brian Cook, the safety from Cincinnati, have you looked at
Speaker 1: him at all? No? I have not, Okay, and you know,
Speaker 1: I think to me that you know, when you if
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, depending on what they do at safety, if
Speaker 1: they don't, you know, we might all get surprised. And
Speaker 1: da Hill is the you know, the best player on
Speaker 1: the board, and they say, oh, we gotta have Dax
Speaker 1: Hill and you know from Michigan. But this Brian Cook
Speaker 1: from Cincinnati is an interesting guy just because it see
Speaker 1: six Onei's two h six. He's a transfer from Howard
Speaker 1: and I really really like him around the line of scripts. Okay,
Speaker 1: you signed a Malik Hooker who could play a little
Speaker 1: bit more with range and on the back end, so
Speaker 1: maybe you need and depending on what you do with curse,
Speaker 1: I think is as you know, something that we have
Speaker 1: to also consider here. But this guy's like a really
Speaker 1: really physical player and you know, you know, if if
Speaker 1: you check his history too, he's had interceptions in the past,
Speaker 1: so you know, the ball skills and stuff where there.
Speaker 1: He had a great one handed interception in the Indiana
Speaker 1: game I was watching, and another one against Alabama in
Speaker 1: the playoff game that I was watching, but he's kind
Speaker 1: of those guys that kind of floats in the secondary
Speaker 1: and then and then like really, you know, what's this assignment?
Speaker 1: And then he just kind of ghost with the ball,
Speaker 1: you know, but you see the awareness he doesn't get fooled.
Speaker 1: He's used as a blitzer, you know. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: got to burst in the way he plays. I just
Speaker 1: kind of liked him as that, you know that that
Speaker 1: maybe that Day three guy that that has got some
Speaker 1: toughness to him, got some coverability to him, creates turnovers
Speaker 1: guy you can keep on keep an eye on for
Speaker 1: that for sure. Of an aggressive player pairing with Hooker,
Speaker 1: you can maybe put him in a rotation with Curse
Speaker 1: as a developmental guy, not a plug and play sort
Speaker 1: of player and prospect. I'm also reading here this was
Speaker 1: the first year that he logged more than two hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty snaps period. Yeah, so playing time could certainly
Speaker 1: help him out in that regard as well. I like,
Speaker 1: where your heads out and I'll give you, let me
Speaker 1: give you. I'm just kind of going through my list
Speaker 1: of guys in this in this round. If you're talking
Speaker 1: about one technique guys and people have asked me a
Speaker 1: lot about Uh. You know on Twitter is a John
Speaker 1: Ridgeway from Arkansas. Yeah, okay, go ahead if you want to, Ye,
Speaker 1: I have powerful smart player, uses great technique and strength
Speaker 1: to win at the point of attack. Run stuffer. He
Speaker 1: anchors the middle. Uh. Not going to have that side
Speaker 1: to side lateral movement as much as other top players
Speaker 1: in the draft or top interior defensive lineman. But if
Speaker 1: you want a run stuffer and you want a guy
Speaker 1: who's going to anchor the middle of your defensive lines
Speaker 1: so your edge guys and your linebackers can run free,
Speaker 1: I think he's a guy you can pick up in
Speaker 1: the second and third round. Yeah. I have him more
Speaker 1: in the fourth myself, and I think to me, and
Speaker 1: he'll probably go earlier than that. But you know, here's
Speaker 1: the guy at six five three and twenty one pounds,
Speaker 1: and I mean, I think the initial quickness is there
Speaker 1: and then sometimes he gets stuck along the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 1: But he could take up the blockers like your talk about.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's going to get a ton of sacks.
Speaker 1: But the best thing he does is he pushes the middle.
Speaker 1: You know, I mean the strength, the power is super impressive.
Speaker 1: With the way this guy played. He was a transfer
Speaker 1: from Illinois State, and I could see him, Like I said,
Speaker 1: this is my notes and the last thing I could
Speaker 1: see this guy having a long career playing that one
Speaker 1: technique or nose that you know, these guys are always
Speaker 1: they kind of play eight ten years just taking up blocks,
Speaker 1: not getting pushed off the ball, being strong. John Ridgeway Arkansas.
Speaker 1: Keep an eye on that one, probably maybe as a
Speaker 1: Day three guy that do something if the Cowboys, if
Speaker 1: in fact they're looking for if they if they don't
Speaker 1: get the opportunity to draft Matthias from Oklahoma or or
Speaker 1: ascue me from Alabama or Travis Jones from yukon something
Speaker 1: like that. Now you're talking about the guys like Ridgeway, Ferrell,
Speaker 1: another guy from LSU could be could definitely be in
Speaker 1: that mix it speaking of defensive line, and this name
Speaker 1: is just right in this conversation of the Jones and
Speaker 1: the mathis is Logan Hall out of Houston. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: gonna go a lot higher. But I totally, I totally
Speaker 1: get what you're saying here. But I don't know if
Speaker 1: we talked about him on this show specifically, what do
Speaker 1: you think about him? Because I've been a lot of
Speaker 1: questions about him too. I like him a lot. I
Speaker 1: think he's a great player. Yeah, this if if you
Speaker 1: remember how if you can envision David Irving, that's that's
Speaker 1: the body type. And because you're looking at six six
Speaker 1: and two eighty three, maybe a little bit heavier than
Speaker 1: what than what David Irving was, But he's a three
Speaker 1: technique that people kind of feel like that he might
Speaker 1: be a defensive end to be an edge because I
Speaker 1: was thinking he was more like a five technique, which
Speaker 1: is in a three four front plays head up on
Speaker 1: the tackle in that, you know, and that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: But I think he could play as the three. I
Speaker 1: think he could play as a five. That he's got
Speaker 1: that kind of ability I see, Like there, man, there's
Speaker 1: like some serious power with this guy. And there's several
Speaker 1: times when you watch him walk those guards back into
Speaker 1: the pocket and he runs really really well for his size.
Speaker 1: He doesn't get stuck in place too often, and he
Speaker 1: watched him control the gaps. Because of his size and
Speaker 1: his length, he's able to kind of extend on guys. Now,
Speaker 1: if you're interested in param the yeah, Guards Center from Memphis,
Speaker 1: get a hold of the Houston Memphis game, and you
Speaker 1: can watch those two go at it, because it was
Speaker 1: a pretty good battle when those sides. So if you're
Speaker 1: looking for you know, if you're looking to try and
Speaker 1: sell parm to somebody, he did a pretty good job
Speaker 1: against Logan A Logan Hall and Parm was at the
Speaker 1: time was a smaller guy who's kind of bulked up
Speaker 1: his you know, bulked up a little bit. But it
Speaker 1: was a pretty good battle between those guys. I watched
Speaker 1: that game. I watched SMU, I watched Cincinnati, and I'm
Speaker 1: right there with you. That five technique is something that
Speaker 1: is really intriguing. Do you have him in the interior
Speaker 1: would you rather have outside? I have him in. I
Speaker 1: put him as I left him at. I left him
Speaker 1: at the three technique. I left him at the three
Speaker 1: And just because I kind of feel like that you
Speaker 1: know him, you know him Wyatt Lyale, you know Texas
Speaker 1: A and m Georgia guys, I kind of got him
Speaker 1: in that mix. I have this as a second round guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then you know in the third round, then you
Speaker 1: know Winfrey would be a guy that's from the Oklahoma
Speaker 1: cat there. So yeah, I mean they're kind of all
Speaker 1: in that in that it's a really good group of
Speaker 1: a good little pocket of those one and three technique
Speaker 1: guys any day three linebackers that you've had your eye
Speaker 1: on it all. Yeah, I mean I watched I watched Beavers,
Speaker 1: and I maybe, yeah, maybe I'm a little a little
Speaker 1: bit a little bit low on Beavers. But you know,
Speaker 1: he's a guy. I had him in the fourth round
Speaker 1: and he's probably gonna go higher than that, but I
Speaker 1: just didn't. I mean, he's really kind of and there's
Speaker 1: this draft has a couple of these guys. He's throwbacks
Speaker 1: six four, two hundred and thirty seven pound linebackers that
Speaker 1: you know, but during this draft, and you know, he
Speaker 1: has the size. You know, I can say he has
Speaker 1: that size of a guy from another era of football.
Speaker 1: And but I do feel like he's got some range
Speaker 1: and I do feel really he's really good when the
Speaker 1: ball goes right at him because he's got the size
Speaker 1: and the strength to take blockers on and make the play.
Speaker 1: He's a good tackler. He's not gonna miss many of
Speaker 1: those that I saw. Many of his coverage snaps aren't
Speaker 1: the types of plays where her he drops and then
Speaker 1: he can handle you know. I mean, he's just a
Speaker 1: kind of a basic cover guy, and so I'm kind
Speaker 1: of a I'm kind of a fan of his, but
Speaker 1: I saw there were some things that the cabbage wise
Speaker 1: bothered me a little bit, and it maybe, like I said,
Speaker 1: is uh, you know that would be something. How many
Speaker 1: downs does this guy really really get to play? But
Speaker 1: if you watch him in the Notre Dame game and
Speaker 1: stuff like that, man, he created some turnovers and so
Speaker 1: you have to be you have to give him a
Speaker 1: tip of the cat for that. My favorite fun fact
Speaker 1: about Darien Beavers is the fact that he was a
Speaker 1: receiver and a safety in high school. You think about
Speaker 1: six foot four, two US and thirty pounds rolling down
Speaker 1: the sideline at wide receiver. And then he went to
Speaker 1: Yukon initially and then transferred from Yukon to Cincinnati. And
Speaker 1: we make the joke about Georgia, how Georgia is gonna
Speaker 1: have an entire roster drafted. Cincinnati's got some defensive studs
Speaker 1: and a couple offensive guys for that matter, with a
Speaker 1: quarterback and Ritter and Alec Pierce a wide receiver, They've
Speaker 1: got guys scattered all throughout this trap. Yeah, and if
Speaker 1: I can give you one other player to please, and
Speaker 1: this is like this Charlie Kohler higher. I mean, then,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna give you a name of a guy
Speaker 1: to keep an eye on. Jake Ferguson from Wisconsin is
Speaker 1: a six five, two hundred and fifty pound tied in
Speaker 1: and this guy's got some really really soft hands. I
Speaker 1: mean he catches the ball super easily that he didn't
Speaker 1: fight it at all. He kind of frees himself downfield,
Speaker 1: like his big move his arm over and then like
Speaker 1: you get up on him and he like arm overs
Speaker 1: and then he gets into his route. So you'll see
Speaker 1: this like two or three times a game that he
Speaker 1: does that. But he'll line up at various spots. Kind
Speaker 1: of feel like his best work is when he can
Speaker 1: line up in the slot as opposed to being in line.
Speaker 1: But he knows how to get open in the red
Speaker 1: zone and his height and his length give him a
Speaker 1: little bit of an advantage when he's in this area.
Speaker 1: And he's got some really kind of some nifty moves
Speaker 1: as well, So finishing blocks not the strongest suit of his.
Speaker 1: He had a block in the Penn State game where
Speaker 1: he came off the ball and really punished this guy
Speaker 1: and that was kind of the first time I was like, WHOA,
Speaker 1: I guess he's capable of doing that. But there's times
Speaker 1: where he will catch a ball and go to the
Speaker 1: ground too. Maybe not a whole heck of a lot
Speaker 1: after the catch, but that red zone stuff and the
Speaker 1: soft receiver like hands really kind of get me a
Speaker 1: gimmick going there. I like the idea of him being
Speaker 1: a blocker too, because he's a solid blocker. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: then he's probably a step down from the Widermeyer's and
Speaker 1: the McBride's yeah, dull shit shit and the records of
Speaker 1: the world. Yeah, probably that second tier of tight end. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think there's a group and keep an eye on
Speaker 1: there's a group like a Coal Turner is another guy
Speaker 1: out of Nevada. Yeah, that I think I got this
Speaker 1: in this like fourth round group of tight ends. Cole
Speaker 1: Turner from Nevada, Coal Cohler from Iowa State, Ferguson from
Speaker 1: Wisconsin who I mentioned and likely isn't that group too.
Speaker 1: That's Coastal Carolina right, yes, where that guy's so. Yeah,
Speaker 1: those are all kind of those guys in that fourth
Speaker 1: round that you know, if the cowboys, you know, if
Speaker 1: that's the route they want to go. If it's just
Speaker 1: kind of a one year deal for Dalton Schultz, I
Speaker 1: kind of feel like there's a good group of tight
Speaker 1: ends from rounds three and four that you can maybe
Speaker 1: maybe grab a guy from and then well, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: end this segment. We've only got about a minute left.
Speaker 1: But where we started with the secondary, one more name
Speaker 1: out of the secondary that's like a late third round,
Speaker 1: fourth round guy, maybe even Day three guy that you
Speaker 1: really like as maybe that backup plan if the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: I love Marcus Jones, the short a short corner from Houston.
Speaker 1: I mean, and I think that people will probably ding
Speaker 1: him for being, you know, for his lack of height.
Speaker 1: I think he's right at five eight is what, Yeah,
Speaker 1: five eight, one seventy four. This is guy. And I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna this and I'll leave it with this. This
Speaker 1: is one of the the most dynamic players I've I've studied
Speaker 1: in the country this year. I mean, he can play
Speaker 1: as a specialist and as a returner. He could be
Speaker 1: in nickel. He's fearless, the way he plays with the
Speaker 1: ball in his hands, the change of direction, all that stuff.
Speaker 1: He'll come forward, he'll make plays I said in my
Speaker 1: last line, don't sleep on this player due to his height.
Speaker 1: He is really a good player. I think you're spot on.
Speaker 1: Because he is short, he's he's five eight, He's won
Speaker 1: seventy four. He's not He's not perfect for everybody, but
Speaker 1: somebody is going to get He started his career at
Speaker 1: Troy there in Alabama and then transferred to Houston. But man,
Speaker 1: this guy sees the entire field and he has rare
Speaker 1: ability as a returner. He probably really does. I had
Speaker 1: a note that you had mentioned him, yeah, about a
Speaker 1: month ago. Keep an eye on him, and keep an
Speaker 1: eye on him. He's worked his way in a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks. Gonna Yeah, he's gonna go a lot earlier
Speaker 1: than I have him. But I just I think the
Speaker 1: players got some special traits to him. Don't look the
Speaker 1: lack of height fool you there that this guy's gonna
Speaker 1: play in the league. Well, Brian, it was a lot
Speaker 1: of fun. He was fun. Thank you, man, I appreciate you. Absolutely.
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