1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:04,040 Speaker 1: This is Latino USA, the Radio Journal of News and 2 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: Kurturre Latino US. Latino USA, I'm Maria in no Josa. 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 1: We bring you stories that are underreported but that mattered 4 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: to you, overlooked by the rest of the media, and 5 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: while the country is struggling to deal with these, we 6 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:19,960 Speaker 1: listen to the stories of Black and Latino Studio United 7 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 1: Latino Front, a cultural renaissance organizing at the forefront of 8 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: the movement. I'm Maria Ino Josa, Noaan. 9 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 2: I think we have a long way to go, but 10 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 2: there are green shoots and the Latino community specifically has 11 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 2: a lot of energy and community building that will pay 12 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:47,520 Speaker 2: dividends in the long run. 13 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: From Futro Media and PRX, It's Latino USA. I'm Maria 14 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 1: no Rosa. Today a number of Latinos and Latinas and 15 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: folks from Latin America have been nominated for Oscars. So 16 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:06,399 Speaker 1: what does this all mean about the state of Hollywood 17 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:16,320 Speaker 1: and Latino storytelling. In a few days, the Academy of 18 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:20,040 Speaker 1: Motion Picture Arts and Sciences will hold its ninety six 19 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 1: Oscars ceremony. It's a new opportunity for many in the 20 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 1: movie making business to be recognized for Excellence in Cinema, 21 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 1: and yet another year in which, unfortunately, representation from Latinos 22 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: and Latinas Latine and LATINX on the big screen has 23 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:43,040 Speaker 1: remained somewhat stagnant. Just five point five percent of speaking 24 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: characters in Hollywood movies are Latino or Latina. This despite 25 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: the fact that Latinos make up nineteen percent of the 26 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: US population and have a buying power of three point 27 00:01:56,120 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: four trillion dollars, and Latinos by lots and lots of 28 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: movie tickets. This year, America Ferrera has earned her first 29 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:10,079 Speaker 1: OSCAR nomination for her supporting role in the movie Barbie. 30 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:15,959 Speaker 3: I'm just so tired of watching myself and every single 31 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 3: other woman tie herself into knots so that people will. 32 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: Like us and that Coleman Domingo has become the first 33 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: Afro Latino nominated for Best Actor for his performance as 34 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 1: civil rights activist Bayard Rustin. We are going to. 35 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 4: Put together the largest peaceful protests. 36 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 1: Made up of angelic troublemakers such as yourself. But there 37 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: are several other Latinos and Latin Americans in different roles 38 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 1: in OSCAR nominated films who you might not have heard 39 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:50,640 Speaker 1: about yet. We're gonna speak with some of them today. 40 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: We'll hear from Mike de Alberti, whose film The Eternal 41 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 1: Memory is nominated for Best Documentary Feature about Alzheimer's will 42 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: also here from producer and writer Phil Lord, nominated for 43 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:06,519 Speaker 1: Spider Man Across the Spider Verse. But we're going to 44 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 1: start with the movie Society of the Snow, nominated for 45 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 1: Oscars in the Best International Feature Film category and Best 46 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: Makeup and Hairstyling. I had a conversation recently with Roberto Ganesa, 47 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 1: one of the survivors of the nineteen seventy two plane 48 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 1: crash Indianes, on which the movie is based. We also 49 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 1: spoke with Mattias Recalde, who is the young actor who 50 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: plays him in the film. Roberto Kansa, the survivor, is 51 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: a cardiologist now in his native Uru Why and that's 52 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 1: where he joined me for this conversation. Roberto, So, a 53 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: lot of people now will only know you as Roberto 54 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 1: from the plane crash when you were in your twenties. 55 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: You are how old now, Antolo risperto seventy one? And frankly, 56 00:03:57,440 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 1: you look amazing. 57 00:03:58,440 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 5: Roberto. 58 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: I just have to say you, you look amazing. 59 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 6: But you lied to me. You said you were twenty 60 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 6: five and you look twenty seven. 61 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: May well, now that we've brought up age, right, what 62 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 1: I want to tell you is that most people will 63 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: not know now that you have become a very well 64 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 1: established medical doctor in uru way, and that this is 65 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: what you did with your life. Your life went way 66 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 1: beyond what happened in the Andes in nineteen seventy two. 67 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 1: So congratulations on a great career and on giving back 68 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 1: in this way. I was, I guess eleven years old 69 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 1: when the plane crashed, and so I was watching on 70 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 1: television in Chicago in my parents' apartment, and we were 71 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 1: watching the footage of what was happening, a. 72 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 7: Film of what very nearly amounts to a real miracle, 73 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 7: survivors of a plane crash and the Chilean Andes. The 74 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:58,799 Speaker 7: plane went down ten weeks ago. The forty five people 75 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 7: aboard were given up for death. 76 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 1: We knew the story, and that's why I just want 77 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: to say, in particular, it means a lot to be 78 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:08,919 Speaker 1: talking with you. 79 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 6: Oh, I got emotional. I am like a legend. I 80 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 6: am like a walking bronze statue. It's very funny because 81 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 6: it happens how people look to me and then my 82 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 6: every day life. Thanks God, I don't buy all this popularity. 83 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:30,720 Speaker 1: If you can just tell me, like what it was like. 84 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:34,839 Speaker 1: If you go back to nineteen seventy two, disco music 85 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: was happening, right, you were happy, excited, and you're getting 86 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 1: ready to board the plane. So what did your life 87 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: look like? 88 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 4: Well? 89 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 6: I was a medical student and second year a medical 90 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 6: student and playing rugby. I had made it the previous 91 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 6: year to the national team, which I was very proud of, 92 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 6: and we had done the trip one year before to Chile, 93 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 6: so everything was fun. 94 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 1: You know, everybody focuses on what happens in the movie, right, 95 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 1: this extraordinary period of about seventy days, But you have 96 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 1: this other life. I mean, did you do a lot 97 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:12,600 Speaker 1: of therapy? 98 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 6: No? No, no, no. I mean when I came out 99 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 6: of the Andes, was that you had an elephant sitting 100 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 6: on my shoulders? Yeah? I was so happy, so happy 101 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 6: did I and I walked out to the Andes to 102 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 6: go to my life now to have an interview fIF 103 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 6: years later in Latino with Maria so And when I 104 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 6: was back at home, I saw people who were suffering 105 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 6: lots more, the parents of my friends that had died. 106 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 6: They wanted to talk to me. They wanted to know 107 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 6: what did they say? What happened? I mean, they didn't 108 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 6: care about the way we had to survive. They care 109 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 6: about what their sons were saying. And the rugby team 110 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 6: was completely distorted and we had to rebuild a team, 111 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 6: and the coach said, we'll need five years to get 112 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 6: the team running again. And on that year we became champions. 113 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:07,599 Speaker 6: And the father of ar two real Nogaia that died 114 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 6: on the plane crash, hugged me and told me, my 115 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 6: son is not here, but you are here. So he 116 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 6: gave me a very strong responsibility and support. And I 117 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 6: had to go to the faculty of medicine, and if 118 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 6: I didn't study, I didn't get up with my exams, 119 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 6: and I had my girlfriend, so I didn't have any 120 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 6: time for the psychiatry to sit there and asking how 121 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 6: I feel, How I do it? I mean, I am 122 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 6: very kinetic and I like achieving things. 123 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 1: What exactly do you mean by kinetic? And what do 124 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: you think that the fact that you were kinetic has 125 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: to do with the fact that you survived. 126 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 6: My mother says that when I was in the cradle, 127 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 6: I was moving my hands all the time, so and 128 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 6: I wanted to go back. I didn't want my mother 129 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 6: to cry for that son. So I want to tell 130 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 6: her I don't cry anymore. I'm alive. And it was 131 00:07:57,400 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 6: my driving force. 132 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: So would you say that this thing that you survived 133 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 1: fifty years ago, you don't spend a lot of time 134 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 1: thinking about it now or do you now? Because of 135 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 1: the movie, all of this has come back in the 136 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: last five years in the making of And how has 137 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: that been for you or was it always with you? 138 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 6: Yes, it's with me, but I don't want to contaminate 139 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 6: my life with all the time deandes. But nowadays with 140 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 6: the film, and I see all the people so enthusiastic. 141 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 6: The other day, it was in Miami and a teenager 142 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 6: came around and she couldn't speak and say, are you Roberto? 143 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 6: I cannot believe it's you. She was from Colombia. There's 144 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 6: a lot of young people with a philosophy of the mountain, 145 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 6: and I think that's a very good contribution to life. 146 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 6: And that's the reason why I think that this film 147 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 6: should get the OSCAR, because it's changing people's life. Besides 148 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 6: being a film, it's all a contribution to be a 149 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 6: better person for people. 150 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 1: It is that film that's just like wow, somehow you 151 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 1: can't survive anything the power of the human body and spirit. 152 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 1: So I think you're right. It is a film that 153 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 1: says just never, never give up, and that isn't truly 154 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: a powerful message. 155 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 6: It's a contribution to humans behavior. I think we should 156 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 6: treasure it and should get around. 157 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: So what was it like for you, Roberto to see 158 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: the film? 159 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 6: Well, I thought, well, this is quite different than what 160 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 6: happened in the mountains. And then I thought, but this 161 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 6: is not a documentary, it's a film. And when I 162 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 6: told the director, he said, Roberto, if we show what 163 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:42,599 Speaker 6: you went through. 164 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:44,319 Speaker 5: People live the movie. 165 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 6: I want to have a movie that people will enjoy 166 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 6: seeing the movie and they have a movie experience, not 167 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 6: a torture. And this is the masterpiece of how he 168 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 6: did the things to make it artistic. The spirit is there, 169 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 6: the spirit we get. I get emotional when I see 170 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 6: the movie. Then I have always tears pouring through my 171 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 6: eyes when I think when I see how how God 172 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 6: has been to me that has led us achieve what 173 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 6: we achieve. 174 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 1: No, you're crying. We were saying we were not going 175 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 1: to get emotional in this conversation. 176 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 6: But come on, when you see those helicopters flying over there, 177 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 6: over the guys, and we were left with Nando walking 178 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 6: maybe to die walking, and then we sell them to gorgeous, 179 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 6: sexy helicopters to get them. I mean, if that's not 180 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 6: the try off of human spirit, I don't know what 181 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 6: it is. 182 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: And you use the word torture, can you just talk 183 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: to me for a second about the use of that 184 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 1: word torture to refer to what you live through in 185 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 1: the andes. 186 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 6: It's never ending pain from for the soul and the body. 187 00:10:55,360 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 6: But incredibly, incredibly, this film has no malignancy. This is 188 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 6: a film that could be seen by twelve year old 189 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:10,319 Speaker 6: boys because there's no human malignancy. It's the ancient fight 190 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 6: of men against nature. We're facing nature. 191 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 1: Roberto servis just a little bit. 192 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 6: I am. I am a cardiologist, so I can't fix it. 193 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 1: How can you men a broken heart? 194 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 6: How can you stop the rain from falling down? Oh? 195 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 6: Can you stop? How about that? I'm a romantic, I'm 196 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:39,599 Speaker 6: a termal romantic. I can't start. 197 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:40,719 Speaker 5: How can you. 198 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 8: Stop the rain? 199 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 4: Oh? 200 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 1: The song is Al Green's hit how can you mend 201 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 1: a Broken Heart? It came out in nineteen seventy two, 202 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 1: the same year Roberto survived that plane crash in the Andes. 203 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 1: Coming up, I asked actor Matthias RecA what it was 204 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: like to play Roberto Kanessa in the film, some of 205 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:07,839 Speaker 1: the challenges that came up with some very intensely emotional 206 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 1: and physical scenes in the movie, and what has stayed 207 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 1: with him about the story of relentless survival stay with us, 208 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 1: not byas hey, we're back before the break we heard 209 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 1: from Roberto Ganesa, one of the sixteen survivors from the 210 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy two plane crash in the Andes. The incredible 211 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 1: story has been taken to the big screen and is 212 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 1: now Spain's candidate for an Oscar in the Best International 213 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 1: Feature Film category. In the movie, Roberto Carnesa is played 214 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 1: by Matthias ricalto Mesina. Before playing Roberto, Matiez had already 215 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:31,079 Speaker 1: gained some recognition in his native Argentina for his supporting 216 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 1: role in the Netflix series Apache, but Society of the 217 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: Snow is definitely a breakthrough for this actor, so I 218 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 1: wanted to take him back to when he was first 219 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 1: auditioning for the role and finding out who Roberto was. 220 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 1: The character that he would be playing. And by the way, 221 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: even though Matiez speaks English, he felt more comfortable chatting 222 00:13:53,520 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 1: with me in Spanish. So Matti, yes, I know that 223 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 1: the process of auditioning for the film was just beautiful. 224 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 1: And the moment when all of you find out that 225 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 1: you were actually cast. How much did you know about 226 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 1: Roberto before you played Roberto in the film? 227 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 8: Well, no Roberto, no andel de Roe, Chantela or porcel 228 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 8: Argentina and Argentina secte Chicota and to Familia. 229 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 1: Mattiaz said that he remembered hearing about the plane crash 230 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: when he was little, because members of his family would 231 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: be talking about this event that happened in nineteen seventy two. 232 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 8: Guando Guano, Roberto sawa Avia, Wido sants and likedro loses well, 233 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 8: bileedro Lo san dis robertoo. 234 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 1: And then Mattias tells me that he ends up visiting 235 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: his theater teacher, who happened to have a copy of 236 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: the book that Roberto Canesa wrote about his experience in 237 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: the Andes. It's a book that not everyone has, and 238 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 1: Mattia says he found this kind of mystical. 239 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 9: Roberto dambien. 240 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 8: Jo Dennisoso. 241 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: He says, the first time Roberto and Jim met in person, 242 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 1: they played tennis against another survivor of the plane crash. 243 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 1: His name is Gustabo Serbino, along with the actor who 244 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 1: played him in the Society of the Snow the real 245 00:15:55,880 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 1: life and the fictional Ganessas actually beat the Serbinos in 246 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 1: that game. Roerto, what was it like for you when 247 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 1: you met Matis? 248 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 6: Well, it moved my heart because he was going to 249 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 6: give his best to do everything, and I thought, I'm 250 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 6: going to help you, but it's up to him how 251 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 6: much he will receive. 252 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: So I'm wondering, and I know this is strange, Roberto, 253 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 1: all of it is strange. Right, see yourself in your 254 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: twenties pro how did Matias do? 255 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 6: Spectacular? Very good? 256 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 9: Very good? 257 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 1: So an iNeST momento, Matis, what have you learned from 258 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 1: Roberto as a human being who is alive? Right? And 259 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 1: what did you learn about Roberto as a character that 260 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 1: you were playing during the entire filming process. 261 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 9: Poco a. 262 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 8: Pegno momentos roberta. 263 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 9: La okaycho. 264 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 4: Miguel Mattias told me that he appreciated how much Roberto 265 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 4: values his family and his friends, and he learned from 266 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 4: Roberto that while he was willing to step up and 267 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 4: give so much of himself in that extreme situation, he 268 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:45,679 Speaker 4: liked Mattias also kept something private just to themselves, things 269 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:47,880 Speaker 4: that they didn't share with the others. 270 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 1: It's kind of crazy, but because this film has gone worldwide, 271 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 1: all of those things that you say that you appreciate 272 00:17:56,760 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 1: about Roberto the person are things that we're not learning 273 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 1: about him, and the whole world is learning. So, speaking 274 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:05,880 Speaker 1: of which getting really huge. You know, when the film 275 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:08,639 Speaker 1: gets nominated for an Oscar, it is in fact a 276 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 1: big deal. So I want to know where were the 277 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 1: both of you when you found out that you actually 278 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:17,439 Speaker 1: had been nominated, your film had been nominated for an Oscar. 279 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 1: So what was your immediate reaction? 280 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 6: I was not very impressed. I mean, I think that 281 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 6: there are so many stupid films around. There was about 282 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 6: time to give time for important films speaking about human 283 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:40,400 Speaker 6: values and and and being made so well by by 284 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 6: a Latin you know what, something that they deserved. I mean, 285 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 6: these poor actors, they were all they they're putting snow 286 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:52,880 Speaker 6: under under the clothes to fill the cold. They were 287 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 6: and among themselves they build a group and they took 288 00:18:56,240 --> 00:19:01,199 Speaker 6: care about about each other, and there was great I 289 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:05,239 Speaker 6: mean they suffered a lot until late o'clock when they 290 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 6: went to hotel to get the whole shower. 291 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: Like Roberto Mattiz tells me that he actually wasn't that 292 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: impressed with the Oscar nomination. He also said he knew 293 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 1: the movie deserved the recognition. 294 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:27,440 Speaker 9: Project, and then he said. 295 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:30,159 Speaker 1: Winning would be a nice surprise. 296 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 3: Though. 297 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 8: Amos better better. Feliceo gle persona pargetto. 298 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:50,359 Speaker 1: So Madias, I actually want to ask what was the 299 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 1: hardest part of it all? 300 00:19:52,359 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 8: Wells and ke momento mafisi for momento momento an fico 301 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:05,400 Speaker 8: emotionali tegnico macon brigo. 302 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:10,399 Speaker 1: Matthias said that re enacting the avalanche that took place 303 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 1: seventeen days after the plane crashed, an avalanche that would 304 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 1: kill eight of the initial survivors, was the hardest part 305 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:21,639 Speaker 1: of filming, physically, emotionally and. 306 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 8: Technically domnas dom madioso don remente mosonantes don de sa 307 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:39,439 Speaker 8: jenmertoos pienoes full momento mass mass manifici. 308 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 1: Mattias said it would take them two weeks filming inside 309 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:47,439 Speaker 1: a plane with real snow and ice in order to 310 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 1: get those scenes, and yet Matthias adds that there were 311 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:54,400 Speaker 1: multiple hard moments during the filming. 312 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,400 Speaker 9: Tomentolo Lacient. 313 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 8: Dies at l Now particularly. 314 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:20,119 Speaker 1: He says it's because they chose to film chronologically, which 315 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 1: meant that death became more and more present with every 316 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 1: day that they were filming, because people were dying in 317 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,919 Speaker 1: real life, and then the actors had to interpret that 318 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 1: along with the exhaustion, because all of the actors had 319 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,439 Speaker 1: to lose weight in order to stay true to the 320 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 1: story and their almost starvation. I know that watching the film, 321 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 1: you're right, as Batia said, there are several things that happen, 322 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 1: which is like getting punched over and over and over again. 323 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:54,399 Speaker 1: Things continue to happen, but when there is the avalanche, 324 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 1: I did feel like, how do you just not give up? 325 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 1: Was in fact the avalanche one of the worst things 326 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: that happened? Or was it like hra was just one 327 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 1: more thing? 328 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 7: No? 329 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 6: What was the worst? Yeah? I mean it's like when 330 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 6: you they kick you on the floor. That's what I 331 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 6: felt that I was being beaten on the floor, and 332 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 6: and the state of spiritual stature was that I had 333 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 6: envy for dead people. I thought they were they were 334 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,159 Speaker 6: better than me. That I was a worse person and 335 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 6: I need to pay my sins because I didn't have anything. 336 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,120 Speaker 6: The think I had is life. And on the next day, 337 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 6: Alito Spice says, this is a very important day and 338 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 6: today my sister's day. And next year we were like, 339 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 6: we have a barbecue with cream and cheese and everything. 340 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 6: I said, shut up, Calito's only stupid were dying here 341 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:56,119 Speaker 6: and you were speaking about your stupid party, and he said, Canisa, 342 00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 6: you have very ill tempered. I'm not going to invite 343 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:00,920 Speaker 6: you to the or barbar. 344 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 1: Oh my god. Okay. So obviously the question has to 345 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,959 Speaker 1: be the role of humor in all of this, The 346 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,679 Speaker 1: role of laughter in your survival. 347 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 6: Looka between sublime and ridiculous. There's no limit, and to 348 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 6: to laugh at your own disgrace, it helps you to 349 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:23,399 Speaker 6: get around suffer. 350 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 1: Bless Mattias, What do you hope that people get from 351 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 1: the film? Like, what do you think is the message 352 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 1: of the film? 353 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 8: At the COLLECTI and the personas. 354 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 9: Luas and Ma. 355 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 8: Confier okay, okay, car finale pass. 356 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 1: For Mattias, he says, the message of the film is 357 00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 1: the power of unity in the face of a common 358 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: goal and a hope that there can always be a 359 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,360 Speaker 1: light at the end of the tunnel. 360 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 8: Momentos doos almost a second films, and. 361 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,159 Speaker 1: He says it's also about the ability of human beings 362 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:30,640 Speaker 1: to overcome anything, including death. Mattias lost his father two 363 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 1: months before he began filming. Roberto, what can you share 364 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 1: with us about the thing that kept you alive? That miracle? 365 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 6: What is it being very strubborn or what do you 366 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 6: want realizing that someday you're going to die? But what 367 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:57,440 Speaker 6: about the other days? And the dying is not that bad? 368 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 6: When I was buried alive in the avalanche and I 369 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 6: felt I was dying, it wasn't that bad. You are 370 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:08,880 Speaker 6: a chronicle. 371 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 1: Crier, then you're already read a chronicle crier, Roberto. We 372 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:18,680 Speaker 1: know that you have to go back to your patients. 373 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 1: So thank you so much for your entire story and 374 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,920 Speaker 1: for spending some time with me and with Matthias and 375 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 1: letting the USA. 376 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 6: And I am very, very proud of of Matthias. He 377 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,879 Speaker 6: did a great job in the film. He's like the 378 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 6: voice of the conscious. He's he's always there, hearing and 379 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 6: ready to make contributions in a very humble way, which is. 380 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,160 Speaker 1: Not likely an absolute masterpiece. 381 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 6: Kisses Pieces, Bye Bye. 382 00:25:52,960 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 1: If Alicia is Mike de Alberti is the first Chilean 383 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 1: woman to be nominated for an Academy Award. This is 384 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,159 Speaker 1: the second time one of her films is nominated for 385 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:24,199 Speaker 1: Best Documentary Feature. This time she's competing with the film 386 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:28,120 Speaker 1: The Eternal Memory, which is a documentary about the relationship 387 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 1: between Chilean journalist Agusta gong Ra and his wife, the 388 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 1: actress Aulina Urutia. They are coping with Gongorras Alzheimer's disease. 389 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:42,199 Speaker 1: Gong Rah, the journalist, dedicated most of his career to 390 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:47,160 Speaker 1: exposing human rights violations during the dictatorship of Agusto Pinochet 391 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:51,159 Speaker 1: in Chile from nineteen seventy three to nineteen ninety and 392 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:55,879 Speaker 1: he was committed to keeping that memory alive. It is 393 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,959 Speaker 1: a powerful movie, and so I start my conversation with 394 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,200 Speaker 1: might say by telling her why I found her film 395 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:07,159 Speaker 1: to be so incredibly relatable. I have to tell you 396 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:13,639 Speaker 1: your movie when it was really profound because my father, 397 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 1: who was at a very accomplished medical doctor with a brilliant mind, 398 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 1: also had Alzheimer's and basically my mom and my brother 399 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,640 Speaker 1: were told by my dad's doctor. Once he passed away, 400 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,439 Speaker 1: they said, had it not been for the amount of 401 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:34,679 Speaker 1: love that you gave doctor Rino Josa, he would have 402 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 1: died at least five years ago. So I wanted to 403 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 1: ask you a little bit about what did you learn 404 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 1: about love in the making of your film The Eternal Memory. 405 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 10: I think I learned that there is not only one 406 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 10: way to understand love, there is not only one way 407 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 10: to leave relationships. And I learned that when you have 408 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 10: a love, even the tragical events or situations do not 409 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 10: become dramas like you can live it in another way. 410 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 1: Your film opens with the story of a very well 411 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:21,160 Speaker 1: known journalist. His name is Agusta Gonra. His wife who 412 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 1: is seventeen years younger than him, her name is Baulina Urutia, 413 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:29,639 Speaker 1: and she's this beautiful and captivating actress, and very quickly 414 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 1: your film goes into their love story. But it's a 415 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 1: love story surrounding Alzheimer's And at first I was just like, 416 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 1: oh my god, how where and how does she find 417 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 1: the patience to shower her husband who is losing his 418 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 1: memory with so much love and tenderness and patience. And 419 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 1: I want to know more about your decision to open 420 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 1: your film in this way. 421 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 10: Yeah, I started the film there because it's like a 422 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 10: moment that it's so that represents so good the mood 423 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 10: of the relationship, Like he got awake in the middle 424 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 10: of the night, completely lost. So if I were there 425 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:30,960 Speaker 10: as a wife, probably I will get crazy like why 426 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 10: you don't remember me? But she made completely the opposite, 427 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 10: like she last and she's like, well, and your wife 428 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 10: we have been together for twenty years and he's like, 429 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 10: really I have a wife, Yeah you have and in 430 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 10: a very nice standard mood with a patient and with 431 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 10: her capacity as an actress to repeat and repeat again 432 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 10: and repeat the emotion. This is because he was a 433 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 10: good husband too, So like she makes something that is 434 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 10: really important that he never felt that he has an 435 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 10: empty space of memory because it's time that he forgets something. 436 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 10: She's there to give the information. 437 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 4: Would you do. 438 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 1: About see As you know, it's a very intimate film. 439 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:34,480 Speaker 1: We basically spend all of this time being very intimate 440 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 1: with the couple with Augusta and Paulina, which makes me 441 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 1: think about how you end up getting introduced to them. 442 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 1: I mean, there were a public couple, people knew them 443 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 1: their high profile, but what made you say, you know what, 444 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 1: let me put a camera in your house. 445 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 10: I was sitting in a university and she works there, 446 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 10: and I realized that she bring him to her work, 447 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 10: and I knew that he has Alzheimer, and he was 448 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,479 Speaker 10: so in society and they were so in love that 449 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 10: for me, it was a big example of how we 450 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 10: have to take care today as a society. The people 451 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 10: that was working with her integrate him, and she was 452 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 10: not embarrassed and she didn't isolate him. And there were 453 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 10: a couple that were in the world and were trying 454 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 10: to be on society, and that was like my first 455 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 10: emats and what I really wanted to represent with them. 456 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 1: And one of the things that happens with the Eternal 457 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 1: Memory is that because Baulina is an actor, at certain 458 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 1: moments you're like, wait, am I watching a film or 459 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 1: am I watching a documentary? So can you actually describe 460 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 1: for me, like the moment, the worst moment when you 461 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 1: had I don't know how many hundreds of hours of 462 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 1: tape and then the decisions that you made to help 463 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 1: you understand the through line was going to be. 464 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 10: Yeah, I think that I was very lucky, as do 465 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 10: you say, because as she's an actress. For me, it's 466 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 10: the first time that it's super fast to them to 467 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 10: get used to the camera and in the editing. Yeah, 468 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:18,960 Speaker 10: I think it's the challenge that all the documentary filmmakers 469 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 10: have that to have so many hours that I always 470 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 10: said that the documentary filmmakers are like a sculptor artist, 471 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 10: that we have a big rock and we have to 472 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 10: take out, take out, take out to make the figure appear. 473 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 10: I think that all the portraits that we see in 474 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 10: cinema about Alzheimer, we always see the dark side and 475 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 10: not everything. It's a nightmare, and that is something that 476 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:49,960 Speaker 10: we have to understand. 477 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 1: The Eternal Memory premiered in Chile last year, just as 478 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 1: the country marked the fiftieth anniversary of the death of 479 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:02,760 Speaker 1: Salvador the president who was deposed and murdered in a 480 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 1: military dictatorship that took over in nineteen seventy three. 481 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:07,960 Speaker 9: Soloso El. 482 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 5: Elcandro Santiago. 483 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:21,720 Speaker 1: So I was alive on September eleventh, nineteen seventy three, 484 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 1: when the democratic government is destroyed and the dictatorship begins, 485 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 1: and your film, for many people is again it's about 486 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 1: that memory too, but in many ways it is a 487 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:35,760 Speaker 1: deeply political film. 488 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 10: It's a it's a deeply political film because my characters 489 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 10: are so commit with politics, like Agusto work for preserve 490 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 10: the historical memory. So the film it's trying to make 491 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 10: the same exercise that he did of his life in 492 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:02,000 Speaker 10: his job, like he he has a clandestine news cast 493 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 10: report on everything that was happening in the country during dictatorship. 494 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:11,359 Speaker 10: So I think that's the film. It's trying to make 495 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 10: the same that he did during all his life. 496 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:18,799 Speaker 1: Mike, Dy, was it a big deal for you to 497 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 1: get nominated for an Oscar? Was it something or were 498 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,880 Speaker 1: you more just like, oh, okay, well that's that's nice. 499 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,120 Speaker 10: No, it's it's always a big deal. It's a lot 500 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 10: of work behind that. It's a lot of people working 501 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:36,480 Speaker 10: on that, and it means the possibility of continue shooting 502 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:42,279 Speaker 10: and that it's for me the power of awards and nominations. 503 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,400 Speaker 1: Which means that it makes your hustle as a filmmaker 504 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 1: just a little bit easier. Thank you so much, Mike, 505 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 1: definitely see that is it's a it's a beautiful film. 506 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 10: Thank you, Thank you very much. 507 00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,600 Speaker 1: That was director Mike de Alberti speaking to us from London, 508 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 1: where she is busy working on her next documentary, and no, 509 00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:07,839 Speaker 1: she would not reveal what it's about. Coming up, I 510 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:11,560 Speaker 1: speak to Cuban American producer Phil Lord about all things 511 00:35:11,800 --> 00:36:01,360 Speaker 1: Spider Man. Stay with us, Yes, m Phil Lord is 512 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:05,960 Speaker 1: already an Academy Award winning producer. His movie Spider Man 513 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:09,680 Speaker 1: Into This Spider Verse got the Oscar for Best Animated 514 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,000 Speaker 1: Feature in the year twenty nineteen. 515 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:13,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, gotta go. 516 00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:15,840 Speaker 6: If you want me to drive you, we gotta go 517 00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,440 Speaker 6: now personal soufur goalwards. 518 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:22,680 Speaker 9: Okay, seriously, Dad Walkin would have been fine. 519 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:23,840 Speaker 4: Breaking news. 520 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:25,640 Speaker 9: Spider Man saves the day, a guess. 521 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,600 Speaker 1: Phil Lord has also made a name for himself alongside 522 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:32,720 Speaker 1: his producing partner Christopher Miller, for films like the Lego Movie, 523 00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,960 Speaker 1: twenty one and twenty two, Jump Street, and now the 524 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:40,840 Speaker 1: Spider Versus trilogy. But even though Phil Lord is Cuban American, 525 00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,479 Speaker 1: there's not a lot out there about his Latini dad, 526 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,840 Speaker 1: which is why that's where I wanted to start. So, Phil, 527 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:50,640 Speaker 1: it's really great to have you on the show, and 528 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,080 Speaker 1: thank you so much for making time with us. 529 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,359 Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, it's an honor to be here. 530 00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:59,239 Speaker 1: Oh well, thank you, Phil. So we are talking on 531 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,920 Speaker 1: Zoom we're both on camera and your ID on your 532 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:07,840 Speaker 1: computer here in zoom, says Phil Lord Ibetankour. 533 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:16,480 Speaker 2: Metancud is my mother's family name, as she's born in Cuba, 534 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:23,520 Speaker 2: moved to this country in nineteen sixty, moved to Philadelphia, 535 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:29,480 Speaker 2: and down the line met my father, who's an American, 536 00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:35,440 Speaker 2: at a music therapy convention in I think Minnesota. 537 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,719 Speaker 1: That's a great story. So can you just paint a 538 00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:44,480 Speaker 1: picture of little Phil Tummatte? How did your mom call 539 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:48,680 Speaker 1: you Philippe Philippe? So take us back to a little 540 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:53,799 Speaker 1: Philippe half Cuban kid growing up in Miami and you're 541 00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:57,600 Speaker 1: watching movies and you're like, hey, I want to do that? 542 00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,720 Speaker 1: Or were you thinking I'm going to be a medical doctor? 543 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:00,120 Speaker 7: Oh? 544 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:01,160 Speaker 5: I mean it was. 545 00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:05,759 Speaker 2: My parents are both their first love is music. My 546 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:10,279 Speaker 2: father ran a dance company in South Florida, which was 547 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:14,040 Speaker 2: a bit of an merging cultural landscape for modern dance. 548 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:19,560 Speaker 2: And they and you know, we're still like a refugee family, 549 00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,279 Speaker 2: so it was all about like what can you do 550 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:27,040 Speaker 2: so that you won't starve? But my parents, you know, 551 00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,759 Speaker 2: they also understood and instilled in my sister and I 552 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:32,960 Speaker 2: love of the arts. So it's not a surprise that 553 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,719 Speaker 2: by the time I was, you know, ten years old, 554 00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:37,719 Speaker 2: that it was something that I was going to do. 555 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,560 Speaker 5: I think they knew it before I did. 556 00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:44,360 Speaker 1: So jumping super fast. How does one get from the 557 00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:48,000 Speaker 1: kid in Miami who's like dreaming like maybe I'll go 558 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:52,359 Speaker 1: into the arts to you're now in Hollywood and you're 559 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,040 Speaker 1: producing and writing major motion pictures. 560 00:38:55,160 --> 00:39:00,680 Speaker 2: I mean a short answer is you get there by accident, right, 561 00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,800 Speaker 2: Like I went to college, I met my writing producing 562 00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:06,320 Speaker 2: directing partner, Christopher Miller. 563 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:06,680 Speaker 8: There. 564 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:10,200 Speaker 2: Neither of us are one in a million at filmmaking, 565 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:16,239 Speaker 2: but we work hard. We come from strong, supportive families. 566 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:22,160 Speaker 2: We have, we're creative, and we're sometimes smart. And when 567 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,640 Speaker 2: you compound those things, they can add up to one 568 00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:25,240 Speaker 2: in a million. 569 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:29,719 Speaker 1: Right, and then you win your first oscar actually for 570 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:34,320 Speaker 1: your Spider Man into the Spider Verse Best Animated Feature 571 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:35,400 Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen. 572 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,200 Speaker 6: Spider Man, I mean this guy swings in once today 573 00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:41,239 Speaker 6: zip zeps up in his little mask and answers to 574 00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:42,680 Speaker 6: no one, right, yeah, dad, Yeah? 575 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,000 Speaker 1: So how does that connection happen? Right there? 576 00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:51,160 Speaker 2: Thing that's great about Spider Man and comics is when 577 00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:55,040 Speaker 2: you know when Marvel was coming to prominence in the sixties. 578 00:39:55,640 --> 00:40:00,919 Speaker 2: Their whole idea was populism. Their character We're not from 579 00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:05,000 Speaker 2: outer space, and Spider Man is not someone who. 580 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,000 Speaker 5: Has power because it's his birthright. 581 00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:11,319 Speaker 2: He has power because he was chosen at random, and 582 00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,439 Speaker 2: he succeeds because he's got a big heart. 583 00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,160 Speaker 5: And so we we've always tried. 584 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:22,640 Speaker 2: To ignore any artificial barriers between you know, the stuff 585 00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,839 Speaker 2: that people enjoy on mass and the stuff and the 586 00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:29,520 Speaker 2: things that make us feel transported in an art museum 587 00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:31,160 Speaker 2: or in a concert hall. 588 00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:37,000 Speaker 1: Mmmm hmm, Holy Phil. Okay, Okay, so look, I'm just 589 00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,719 Speaker 1: gonna be really honest with you. I'm not you know, 590 00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,719 Speaker 1: comic books. Okay, to be honest, I'm not like a 591 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,000 Speaker 1: big Spider Man like, oh my God, like I have 592 00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:50,480 Speaker 1: to be there, right. But I will tell you this. 593 00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:55,360 Speaker 1: I did watch this film that is nominated. Bro. I 594 00:40:55,560 --> 00:41:01,200 Speaker 1: freaking loved it. I was bro so surprise. It's not 595 00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:05,759 Speaker 1: the glitzy glam of Superman and Clark Kent. It's like 596 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:12,680 Speaker 1: my neighborhoods meets Barrios. There's all of these hints, right. 597 00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,719 Speaker 1: One of my favorite, of course, is when the mom 598 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:20,160 Speaker 1: says bendiscion or he asks for the bendiscion, which is 599 00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:28,320 Speaker 1: just like, so, the truth is is that I really 600 00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,960 Speaker 1: did fall in love with Miles Morales in this film, 601 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,640 Speaker 1: and it is a big deal to see an Afro 602 00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:41,839 Speaker 1: Latino teenager as Spider Man and as essentially kind of 603 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:46,319 Speaker 1: ruling New York City. Tell me why, why were you like, Yeah, 604 00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,160 Speaker 1: he's got to be Afro Latino for sure. 605 00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,560 Speaker 5: First of all, you're gonna make you making me tear up? 606 00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:52,399 Speaker 1: Oh my god? 607 00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:56,560 Speaker 2: Why just because it's so lovely that that you connected 608 00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,160 Speaker 2: with the movie with you know, so many people put 609 00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:04,120 Speaker 2: so much energy into the details and we hope that 610 00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:09,520 Speaker 2: they aggregate into a you know, a feeling he did, 611 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,160 Speaker 2: and we try not to like, you know, we wanted 612 00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:13,880 Speaker 2: those things that you noticed. 613 00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:15,759 Speaker 5: We want that to feel commonplace. 614 00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:22,000 Speaker 2: Miles comes from two creators, an Italian woman named Sarah Picelli, 615 00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:28,000 Speaker 2: an illustrator, and Brian Bendis a comic book creator lives 616 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:29,120 Speaker 2: in Portland. 617 00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:30,719 Speaker 6: And they. 618 00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:38,120 Speaker 2: Brian has two daughters from Africa, and he was looking 619 00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,040 Speaker 2: around for comics to you know, turn them on too, 620 00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,719 Speaker 2: and there he said that there wasn't enough. So he's like, 621 00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:47,960 Speaker 2: I'm gonna write one. So when Amy Pascal, our producer 622 00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,920 Speaker 2: came to us and said, will you do a Spider 623 00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:55,520 Speaker 2: Man movie animated? We said no and hung up. You know, 624 00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:57,440 Speaker 2: maybe two minutes later, we said, well, what if it 625 00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:01,040 Speaker 2: was about Miles. At that time, Miles is the is 626 00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:05,200 Speaker 2: the most popular new comic book in the Marvel universe. 627 00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:09,080 Speaker 2: And we called Amy back. We said, what if it's 628 00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:13,640 Speaker 2: Miles Morales. Who's Miles Morales? He's a you know, Afro 629 00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,200 Speaker 2: Puerto Rican kid with an intact family. 630 00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,520 Speaker 5: She says, I love it, and she hung up. 631 00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:22,880 Speaker 1: I love it, gobye, do it? 632 00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:23,800 Speaker 5: I love it? Gobye. 633 00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:28,279 Speaker 2: But the choice to center Miles and his family was 634 00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:30,160 Speaker 2: really little and easy. 635 00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:33,319 Speaker 1: How much do do the production teams and writers take 636 00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:37,640 Speaker 1: into consideration that, you know, thirty percent of movie ticket 637 00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,839 Speaker 1: sales are bought by Latinos, and latinas. 638 00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:42,080 Speaker 5: An over index for animation. 639 00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,920 Speaker 1: By the way, Oh that's a new one that I 640 00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:49,120 Speaker 1: didn't know. So Latino and Latina viewers over index in 641 00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:50,760 Speaker 1: terms of their connection to animation. 642 00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:51,600 Speaker 5: That's right. 643 00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,560 Speaker 2: And I wish I was a sociologist and can tell 644 00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:55,319 Speaker 2: you why. 645 00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:59,359 Speaker 1: Interesting. Interesting anyway, So I thought that there would be 646 00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:04,359 Speaker 1: a whole lot of frankly kind of corporate thinking about well, 647 00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,120 Speaker 1: We definitely want to make sure that this is a 648 00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,839 Speaker 1: Latino Afro Latino focus because it's going to help us 649 00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,840 Speaker 1: with the movie sales. And you're like, nah, it wasn't 650 00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,880 Speaker 1: It wasn't like that, But in fact it is a 651 00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:22,879 Speaker 1: brilliant marketing strategy and just well factual inclusivity, right. 652 00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:25,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, we want to represent the world as it is, 653 00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,319 Speaker 2: so we want to if you go to New York 654 00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,560 Speaker 2: and you look and listen like this is what you 655 00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:35,399 Speaker 2: see and you're almost you're being a dishonest, not very 656 00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,319 Speaker 2: effective artist if you don't represent the world that way. 657 00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:43,480 Speaker 2: Apart from the strategic and commercial premise that if we 658 00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:46,319 Speaker 2: meet the audience where they are, we can all, you know, 659 00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:51,239 Speaker 2: win big, it really just starts with wanting to make 660 00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:52,400 Speaker 2: a good movie. 661 00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:56,320 Speaker 1: I mean it does ultimately. I mean it is about 662 00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:59,239 Speaker 1: making a good movie, which means that when you make 663 00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:03,960 Speaker 1: a good movie and it's different and it connects with people, 664 00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:06,920 Speaker 1: it means that you get nominated for an Oscar. So 665 00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:10,520 Speaker 1: when you heard that you were nominated again, what happened? 666 00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:14,960 Speaker 2: I mean, we're very proud and happy for the crew 667 00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:18,680 Speaker 2: more than anything else. You know, every movie is a risk. 668 00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,320 Speaker 2: This movie is a big one. It's a huge financial 669 00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:26,080 Speaker 2: investment from the studio. You're very grateful that the movie resonates, 670 00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,239 Speaker 2: because when a movie like this is a hit, and 671 00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:31,440 Speaker 2: this is the third highest grossing domestic release of the year, Okay, 672 00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:35,959 Speaker 2: humble Bragg, just yeah, sorry, it means that people will 673 00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:36,399 Speaker 2: make more. 674 00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:40,680 Speaker 1: So why do you think that Spider Man, in the 675 00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,280 Speaker 1: whole story of Spider Man, continues to resonate. 676 00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:48,000 Speaker 2: I mean, he's one of us, and it's as simple 677 00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:51,200 Speaker 2: as that. That's what makes Miles unique from most of 678 00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:53,919 Speaker 2: the other Spider people is that his parents are both 679 00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,960 Speaker 2: alive and they're together. And one of the things I've 680 00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:01,319 Speaker 2: learned making movies is conflict is over rape. Did There's 681 00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:03,520 Speaker 2: a big difference between watching people in a fight and 682 00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:08,120 Speaker 2: two people trying to get along and watching people in 683 00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:12,600 Speaker 2: harmony is so entertaining. 684 00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:17,680 Speaker 1: And taking a Latino family with all of that nuance 685 00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:19,520 Speaker 1: and saying check this out. 686 00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:20,000 Speaker 5: Okay. 687 00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:22,520 Speaker 6: Miles's grades are pretty good. 688 00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:24,960 Speaker 1: A and AP physics. 689 00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:27,879 Speaker 6: That's my little man, and AP studio arts. 690 00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:29,600 Speaker 5: He takes after his uncle. 691 00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,680 Speaker 10: A minus in English, she's a tough grader, and a 692 00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:32,920 Speaker 10: B in Spanish. 693 00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,719 Speaker 5: Mommy, I so know that's my fault. 694 00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:42,080 Speaker 1: My faults, and I. 695 00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,719 Speaker 2: Just missed a few classes, just a few class you know, 696 00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:46,840 Speaker 2: a big surprise of the movie. 697 00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:48,440 Speaker 5: The first time we showed it to an audience. 698 00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,560 Speaker 2: You know, we were saying to ourselves, half this movie 699 00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:57,840 Speaker 2: is people flying around and doing cool stuff, and the 700 00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:01,240 Speaker 2: other other half of the movie is people in rooms talking, 701 00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:05,800 Speaker 2: usually just two people having long conversations. 702 00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:08,040 Speaker 5: And they're like, well, I know they're going to like 703 00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:09,080 Speaker 5: half this movie. 704 00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,080 Speaker 2: And somebody in the audience said, you know, this is 705 00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:15,480 Speaker 2: a coming of age story for the kids and the parents. 706 00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,839 Speaker 1: And you're saying, this is like super intentional on your part, 707 00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:20,799 Speaker 1: like as as a writer and producer, very intentional. 708 00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:26,040 Speaker 2: So what's critical to making that work is Miles desired 709 00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:29,160 Speaker 2: he's going to get back home to his family, and 710 00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:34,880 Speaker 2: that that chase represents something deeply emotional, which is I 711 00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,960 Speaker 2: thought I was going to be part of this group. 712 00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:41,120 Speaker 2: I thought they were going to be as supportive, more 713 00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:44,359 Speaker 2: supportive than the people that I left back home, and. 714 00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:49,160 Speaker 5: I was wrong. They betrayed me, and now I'm on 715 00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:49,880 Speaker 5: my own. 716 00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:55,879 Speaker 2: Like people in a story having an emotional experience, what, Peter, 717 00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:57,000 Speaker 2: why did you betray me? 718 00:47:57,640 --> 00:47:59,920 Speaker 5: Like that's what it's really about. 719 00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:04,120 Speaker 1: And ultimately, always listen to your mother for real. 720 00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:06,239 Speaker 2: You know, I think my mother would relate to this 721 00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:11,120 Speaker 2: like you. You could give them the answers to the quiz, 722 00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:12,560 Speaker 2: but you're not. 723 00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,960 Speaker 5: They're not ready. They have to find it themselves. 724 00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:21,279 Speaker 1: So talking talk about finding things by ourselves. Can we 725 00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:23,400 Speaker 1: talk for a moment about the state of Latinos and 726 00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:28,640 Speaker 1: latinas latinx Latine folks in Hollywood. Does it feel like 727 00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:30,880 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four is a little bit different or is 728 00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,200 Speaker 1: it like, Nah, this is how it goes, and it 729 00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:36,240 Speaker 1: is still always and continuously a hustle. 730 00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:38,320 Speaker 5: It's always a hustle. 731 00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:42,560 Speaker 2: I speak as someone, you know, a white Cuban from 732 00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:46,640 Speaker 2: Miami who has not faced a great deal of discrimination 733 00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:47,480 Speaker 2: growing up. 734 00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:50,239 Speaker 5: It's like it's just different down there, right. 735 00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:56,239 Speaker 2: However, the oscars are a very small sample size and 736 00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:59,520 Speaker 2: there's a lot of noise in the data. I think 737 00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:04,279 Speaker 2: this year we have a lot to celebrate America. Ferreira's 738 00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:09,600 Speaker 2: nomination is historic and wonderful. She's a wonderful filmmaker. She's 739 00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:12,040 Speaker 2: got a long way to go this year. There's also 740 00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:14,400 Speaker 2: a nomination for Flame and Hot, one of my favorite 741 00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,440 Speaker 2: movies of the year. Aha, it's not a rise and 742 00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,400 Speaker 2: fall story. It's a rise and rise story, a good idea. 743 00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:22,520 Speaker 5: It's a spicy cap It's gonna change everything. 744 00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:25,200 Speaker 6: It will see our factory and you're a janitor. We're 745 00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:25,960 Speaker 6: gonna go hang out. 746 00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:27,920 Speaker 5: There is a crazy idea and. 747 00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,000 Speaker 1: The first Afro Latino cole Men Domingo. 748 00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,920 Speaker 5: That's it and so not bad. 749 00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:37,160 Speaker 2: I think we have a long way to go, but 750 00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:44,359 Speaker 2: there are green shoots, and the Latino community specifically has 751 00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:49,839 Speaker 2: a lot of energy and community building that will pay 752 00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:51,359 Speaker 2: dividends in the long run. 753 00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:56,000 Speaker 1: And so what do you recommend in terms of continuing 754 00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:57,880 Speaker 1: to try to make that happen. 755 00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:02,560 Speaker 2: The boring answer is you have to have intention and 756 00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:04,200 Speaker 2: you have to have insistence. 757 00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:06,759 Speaker 5: So you need you can't. 758 00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:09,760 Speaker 2: Just go like, here's our one Latino project and oh, whoops, 759 00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:13,080 Speaker 2: it didn't work out. You have to have ten and 760 00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:18,040 Speaker 2: you have to put the intentionality and resources towards developing it. 761 00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:23,080 Speaker 1: And of course everyone thinks Hollywood, you know, once you're there, 762 00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:27,000 Speaker 1: it's easy. It's a hustle, and it's a hustle for 763 00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:30,759 Speaker 1: Latino and Latina stories in particular, which leads me to 764 00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:37,840 Speaker 1: what's coming up next in terms of the Spider Versus trilogy. 765 00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:42,520 Speaker 1: Am I gonna love it as much? Dimelo Felippe, Mama, 766 00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:42,920 Speaker 1: Who's that? 767 00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:50,160 Speaker 2: The next picture is about really interesting emotional ideas, Really 768 00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:54,040 Speaker 2: about the question of what do you do with your 769 00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:59,960 Speaker 2: disappointment and anger and the feelings of betrayal that Miles 770 00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:01,919 Speaker 2: is left with at the end of this movie. How 771 00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:05,480 Speaker 2: does Miles take that those feelings and turn them into 772 00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,160 Speaker 2: something beautiful. That's kind of what we're trying to make 773 00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:09,440 Speaker 2: the next picture about. 774 00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:18,799 Speaker 1: Phil Lord ivetur M. Yes, thank you so much for 775 00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:23,480 Speaker 1: having this conversation with me about the Spider Verse. Congratulations 776 00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:25,320 Speaker 1: on your nomination for an oscar. 777 00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:26,439 Speaker 5: Thank you very much. 778 00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:34,040 Speaker 1: I hope you win asdatis. Thank you so much, Spider 779 00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:37,279 Speaker 1: Man Beyond the Spider Verse. The final part of the 780 00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:41,719 Speaker 1: trilogy will be released later this year, and the oscars 781 00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,680 Speaker 1: will be seen on Sunday, March tenth, and good luck 782 00:51:44,880 --> 00:52:05,440 Speaker 1: to all the nominees. This episode was produced by Marina Pena. 783 00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:09,000 Speaker 1: It was edited by Andrea Lopez Cruzado. It was mixed 784 00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:14,280 Speaker 1: by gabriel Lebayez. The Latino USA team also includes Vittoria Strada, 785 00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:19,400 Speaker 1: Renaldo Leanos Junior, Dori mar Marquez, Marta Martinez Mike Sargent, 786 00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:23,640 Speaker 1: Nor Saudi and Nancy Trujillo. Penille Ramirez is our co 787 00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:28,239 Speaker 1: executive producer. Our director of engineering is Stephanie Lebau. Our 788 00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:33,320 Speaker 1: senior engineer is Julia Caruso. Additional engineering support by j J. Carubin. 789 00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:37,520 Speaker 1: Our marketing manager is Luis Luna. Our theme music was 790 00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:40,560 Speaker 1: composed by Saniel Roubinos. I'm your host and executive producer 791 00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,400 Speaker 1: Maria no Josa. Join us again on our next episode. 792 00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:46,319 Speaker 1: In the meantime, look for us on social media and 793 00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:49,640 Speaker 1: remember not teva Yes a stele proxima. 794 00:52:49,480 --> 00:53:01,120 Speaker 3: Chaou Latino USA is made by Possible, in part by 795 00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:05,480 Speaker 3: the Ford Foundation, working with visionaries on the front lines 796 00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:09,200 Speaker 3: of social change worldwide, The John D. And Catherine T. 797 00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,920 Speaker 3: MacArthur Foundation and Alonso come to. 798 00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:21,920 Speaker 6: What is local? Is you know? 799 00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:23,840 Speaker 9: And says. 800 00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:30,600 Speaker 6: Dennis, I know revelation the relations actor. Look at that. 801 00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:33,520 Speaker 1: Fella, sy that is Matthias Fairy. See that is we 802 00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:34,560 Speaker 1: hope you win the goal? 803 00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:35,759 Speaker 9: Yeah yes I can. 804 00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:46,040 Speaker 6: Tun of parties, the gam exit. 805 00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:49,000 Speaker 9: Look at the not. 806 00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:59,680 Speaker 1: You are so funny, okay interpreting Marlon Brands. 807 00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:00,799 Speaker 5: Oh my god,