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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, home of the

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Speaker 1: modern white tail hunter and now your host, Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyan, and this week on the show, I'm joined

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Speaker 1: by Michael Mansell and Brennan Nating of the Breaking Point

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Speaker 1: TV to discuss real world tactics for killing deer during

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Speaker 1: the late season. All right, welcome to the Wired to

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Speaker 1: Hunt podcast, brought to you by First Life, and we

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Speaker 1: are officially, unfortunately out of the month of November. Cue

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Speaker 1: the sad boo hoo sounds or some kind of appropriate

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Speaker 1: sound effect. Uh. Podcast editor Hayden, I'm no God, no God, please, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: no sweet novembers behind us. I hope, I hope it

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Speaker 1: was sweet for you. I had one of those hit

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Speaker 1: or miss kind of novembers. It started out amazing with

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Speaker 1: a kill on November one, and then I had a

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Speaker 1: big lull. Unfortunately for the rest of that next seven

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Speaker 1: I've actually gotten back into some action. UM have been

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Speaker 1: having some very close calls with a buck I'm after.

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Speaker 1: Now that's uh. A pretty cool story. I'm actually trying

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Speaker 1: to get this buck killed with my son, which is wild.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of a unique situation where I thought I

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Speaker 1: could get the job done from a blind so I

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Speaker 1: brought my four year old son out with and uh,

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Speaker 1: we've been trying to kill a mature buck and we

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Speaker 1: actually have come very close. Um. I'll share that full

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Speaker 1: story another time. Hopefully we'll get him killed here soon

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Speaker 1: and we'll have a happy ending. But if not, it's

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Speaker 1: it kind of has gone back to what I talked

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Speaker 1: about all year, which is that I just want to

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Speaker 1: have fun this year. And I realized that I I already

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Speaker 1: killed a nice buck in Michigan. I don't need to

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Speaker 1: kill another one. Um, and this dear is one that

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Speaker 1: he's super nice. Could he used another year? It would

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Speaker 1: be cool to see him another year. But at the

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Speaker 1: same time, he's mature and he's a great buck to

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Speaker 1: with me. It would be amazing and so and so

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Speaker 1: I've leaned into that because that would be fun. And

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Speaker 1: it's been fun doing it. I mean, it's been trying

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Speaker 1: taking a four year old out trying to kill a

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Speaker 1: big deer. UM. I each time we've gone out, I thought,

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Speaker 1: there's no way this is gonna work. There's no I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna do this again. Ever, and then I go out

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Speaker 1: and try it again. UM, so we'll see. That's That's

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Speaker 1: kind of been my late November story. But I bring

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Speaker 1: all that up to say that the season is still going,

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Speaker 1: and I hope that you're feeling the way I'm feeling

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Speaker 1: been heading into a December as as I have been

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Speaker 1: in a number of years. Um. I'm not exactly sure

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Speaker 1: what to attribute that too. It has been a little

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Speaker 1: maybe is going back to that mindset shift that I've

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Speaker 1: talked about in some of my previous episodes about goals.

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Speaker 1: We've talked about it, you know when I killed my

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Speaker 1: buck in Michigan, we talked about it. You know when

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Speaker 1: relieve some of the pressure of what I'm supposed to

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Speaker 1: hunting our own hunt, hunt my own hunt, do the

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Speaker 1: things that make hunting fun again. And if you do

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Speaker 1: that it actually believe it or not, keeps it fun

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Speaker 1: for it. So all that's to say, UM, we've got

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Speaker 1: Mansell and Brennan Nating. These guys are co hosts. They're

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Speaker 1: part of the team over on the Breaking Point TV. UM.

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Speaker 1: This is a great series I followed over on YouTube.

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Speaker 1: You know, UM, nothing against the TV guys who have

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Speaker 1: Like when they talk about how to kill there during

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Speaker 1: watching it, and if I had that, I would be

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Speaker 1: it is. Um, how are you supposed to have late

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Speaker 1: all that kind of piece it together, normal real world

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Speaker 1: So that's our episode today, talking to Mike talking to

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Speaker 1: Brennan about real world tactics for hunting late season deer.

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Speaker 1: We cover, you know, everything from how to relocate deer

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Speaker 1: Michael and Brennan have a lot to share today. I

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Speaker 1: my chat with Michael and Brennan from the Breaking Point TV.

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Speaker 1: Al Right, here we are. We've got Brennan Nating and

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Speaker 1: Michael Mansell on the line. Gentlemen, thank you for making

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Speaker 1: time to do this here during what's still a busy,

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Speaker 1: glad to be on. I'm I'm glad we're doing this.

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Speaker 1: I've I've you know, been watching you guys build this

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Speaker 1: need to go to you Brennan, because you just killed

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Speaker 1: a buck last night, right Kansas? Is that right? Yeah? Correct,

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Speaker 1: that's awesome. So when when do you feel, Brennan, that

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Speaker 1: season officially? When's that happened for you? I would stay

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Speaker 1: Um usually somewhere around December one to the tent, there's

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Speaker 1: necessarily see as much hunting pressure. UM. That rut kind

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Speaker 1: shoot with the muzzleloader. Things like that. UM, I would say,

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00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:33,439
Speaker 1: just nonfood related and Brennan kind of hit on it

431
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 1: a little bit in that conversation there. But UM, really

432
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 1: following the weather, UM, late season, I think it's more

433
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:41,920
Speaker 1: crucial to be honest than any other time of the year.

434
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 1: You gotta really the deer don't tolerate much late seasons.

435
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 1: You've got to be selective on when you make your move. Um,

436
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,399
Speaker 1: you can kill the biggest buck on the farm first,

437
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 1: second sit if if you make the move when you

438
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:59,399
Speaker 1: need to. I think a lot of people the great

439
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 1: reason they don't want to have success in the late

440
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 1: season months as they get impatient and they want to

441
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 1: go all in the first sit. UM. But if you can,

442
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,160
Speaker 1: if you can see a cold front ten to fourteen

443
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:14,159
Speaker 1: days out where there's even greater temperature drop, UM, it

444
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 1: can greatly stack the odds in your favor. So I

445
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 1: think I think one one tip you know to not

446
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 1: related to the food side. But it's just just to

447
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,400
Speaker 1: just really be patient for when the weather is when

448
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 1: you need it. Yeah, don't burn the spot out before

449
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 1: before the late season ends. And I think that kind

450
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 1: of brings to mind another thing you can do if

451
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:37,440
Speaker 1: you and this is something I kind of do in

452
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 1: some of my spots where I know that, um, there's

453
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 1: tons of hunting pressure during guns season, and I know

454
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,119
Speaker 1: that that pressure does subside though, usually in the late season,

455
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 1: so I kind of try to leave some of these

456
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 1: spots alone during that mid season, you know, mid the

457
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,400
Speaker 1: late November, and I let that be sort of sanctuary

458
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 1: because I know I'll come back in the late season.

459
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 1: And even though I can't control when the corn gets cut,

460
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 1: when the beans get cut, I can't control the food.

461
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 1: And that kind of way, I can control when it's

462
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 1: a safe sanctuary. And if you can provide that safe

463
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,879
Speaker 1: sanctuary for a while leading into the late season and

464
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:13,639
Speaker 1: then keep it a sanctuary in the late season and

465
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,200
Speaker 1: then just make those couple well timed hunts, you might

466
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,120
Speaker 1: not be able to have twenty acres of food out there,

467
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,160
Speaker 1: but you can be that one place that hasn't been

468
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:25,360
Speaker 1: you know, hunted to death, and that can push in deer. Um.

469
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 1: So that is one thing you can do when you

470
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,880
Speaker 1: don't have tons of control. It's just your like you said,

471
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:34,160
Speaker 1: your pressure, be careful and sometimes stack, let a property

472
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 1: stack up and then hunt it after you stacked a

473
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 1: full of deer, you know what I mean? Yeah? Yeah,

474
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,639
Speaker 1: And I would just to add, just to add on that,

475
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 1: I would say, you know, if if you have limited control,

476
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 1: um is is limiting um that pressure on your exit

477
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 1: entrance and exit route as well. Um. Because one of

478
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 1: the biggest problems when you get a lot of deer

479
00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,640
Speaker 1: in the mix is being able to get out at

480
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 1: night without blowing the whole field up. On a food source, um,

481
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,680
Speaker 1: you can really ruin a spot very fast. So if

482
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:08,439
Speaker 1: you can set up your blind in a in a

483
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 1: situation where you have some sort of rise or some

484
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 1: sort of food source blocking like like on my on

485
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,399
Speaker 1: my least last year, I I kind of set it

486
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,639
Speaker 1: up where the corn. I used a little bit of

487
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,120
Speaker 1: the corn as a screening UM, so I could get

488
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 1: in and out of the spot without blowing the whole

489
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 1: field up. Um. If you can make your late season spot,

490
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 1: the hunt quality lasts a lot longer. Also, Yeah, yeah,

491
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,920
Speaker 1: for sure, UM, I want to go back to something

492
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 1: Brannan brought up. You mentioned, uh, the corn thing, and

493
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,159
Speaker 1: you said that one thing that's important is to is

494
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 1: to start putting out feed, you know, before the late

495
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 1: season really gets late, um, when they really needed because

496
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 1: you got to find it. Um. I have never used

497
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,640
Speaker 1: feed corn really much at all. UM. Ste of way

498
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 1: way back when I was like a kid, my family

499
00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,919
Speaker 1: put it out. Um. But I found myself recently in

500
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 1: situation in Ohio where like there's just no deer around

501
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 1: and it seems like everybody else is putting out bait

502
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 1: and I can't get anything on cameras in my places,

503
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 1: and nothing seems to be hitting the harvested crop fields

504
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 1: on these properties have access to. It's just a ghost town.

505
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 1: And I'm wondering, like, man, there's two months of the

506
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 1: season left and I've got no food that these deer

507
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 1: interested in. Um. Maybe I could change my fate if

508
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 1: I did start putting something out and try that for

509
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 1: once and see if maybe that could give me a

510
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 1: chance at something here in the late season. Um, but

511
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm doing. UM. What would you say,

512
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 1: Brennan for like a strategic use of corn or feared

513
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,360
Speaker 1: or whatever it is, if it's legal in your state, Like,

514
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: what's the smart way to do something like that, to

515
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 1: kill a deer in the late season, Because the temptation,

516
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:49,360
Speaker 1: like what we did when I was a little kid,

517
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,199
Speaker 1: is I take a five yell and bug with apples

518
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:52,679
Speaker 1: and corn and we walk it out, we dump it

519
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 1: in a pile, and I'd sit thirty yards away from it.

520
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 1: I'm assuming that's not what you'd recommend I do. Um,

521
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 1: if I'm trying to if I'm trying to get bucks

522
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 1: to be in my area to get him intour of

523
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 1: them again maybe in the late season, and to actually

524
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: have a chance of killing something at this time of

525
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,360
Speaker 1: year when I don't have a great food source, naturally,

526
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 1: walk me through like a strategic way to do something

527
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 1: like that. I mean, the best advice I could give is, uh,

528
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,400
Speaker 1: you want to get the food close enough to their

529
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 1: bedroom that they are comfortable getting out of bed and

530
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 1: coming to hit it before dark. But you also want

531
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 1: to put it in the place you know where you can.

532
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 1: You want to essentially put the deer where you want

533
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 1: the deer. So do you want to make sure you

534
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: can hunt it on a couple of different wind options

535
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: and and Mike, Like Mike mentioned, entrance to negative is

536
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 1: everything because if you if you're hunting over a corn

537
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 1: pile or standing beam field or any kind of food source,

538
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,959
Speaker 1: I mean, you're at the liberty of potentially having twenty

539
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 1: plus deer in front of you at dark. And if

540
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: your target buck don't happen to be one of those

541
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: twenty deer, he's not too far away. More than likely

542
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 1: when you blow that field up at dark or blow

543
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 1: that you know that bait up at dark. So I

544
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: guess the the thing I would recommend is putting it

545
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 1: close enough to the food source that he's comfortable coming

546
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 1: out and hitting it before dark, but also putting it

547
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: in an area where you can still get it in

548
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 1: out of there clean. And uh, I would. I would

549
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 1: rely heavily on trail camera as far as telling you

550
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: when to go. You know, if that buck is coming

551
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: in hour or two hours after dark, I wouldn't necessarily say, well,

552
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go in there and hope he comes

553
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 1: in there. I'm gonna wait for that deer to daylight,

554
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna be there the next night. Now, are

555
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 1: you typically hunting like within shooting range of that bait

556
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: or do you trust set up the spout where they're

557
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 1: gonna treit? You are, okay? Yeah, no, if we're if

558
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 1: we're bow hunting um near bait, we're within twenty to

559
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 1: thirty yards of it for sure. Okay, Um, is there

560
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 1: any I mean anything as far as like how they

561
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: usually approach a feed like that? Do they ever circle

562
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 1: down wind to come into it like they might with

563
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: a scrape or something, or that's heading straight to the

564
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: easiest path, just like they're coming to a fee or

565
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: a field or something. It kind of depends. Like North Dakota,

566
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 1: if the snow gets deep, they're gonna stick to their

567
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 1: main travel like their trails. They're gonna have set trails

568
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: if the snow is real deep. But a lot of

569
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 1: times those mature bucks are still gonna circle down wind

570
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: of it. So we try to set them up in

571
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: a way where they can still circle down wind of it,

572
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 1: and we're cheating the wind just enough that we can

573
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: get away with it. Yeah. Yeah, just so they think

574
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 1: they have it in their favor. We've almost got the

575
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 1: blind set up parallel to if they do circle, they

576
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 1: think they still have the wind in their favor. But

577
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 1: we're just outside of that cone. Okay, One thing we

578
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 1: will do to uh, like well, for North Dakota for example.

579
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: I'm sure you've noticed, Mark, we're just watching some of

580
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 1: our stuff, is we only hunt on the ground late season. Um.

581
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: And that that primarily is just because of the conditions

582
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: out there, just too miserable to be in a in

583
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: a tree stand that time of year. Um. You know,

584
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: when you're in a blind, you can be ten to

585
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 1: fifteen degrees warmer. It makes it a little bit more

586
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 1: enjoyable of a sit. You could have a heater if

587
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 1: it gets really cold. Um. But a lot of times,

588
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: you know, because you could when it's when it's cold,

589
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 1: it seems like your your sound is always amplified. Um.

590
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 1: We'll place those baits out, you know, even a touch

591
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 1: further than we normally would like to yards um in

592
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: that range. Um, just because when you get like that,

593
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 1: many deer in a in a nearby area and they're

594
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,479
Speaker 1: circling and there's just a lot of stuff going on.

595
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: I mean, it only takes one to ruin the party.

596
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 1: So sometimes bumping it out a little bit, um, I

597
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 1: mean it can help you play your wind a little

598
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 1: bit better too. Um. But but also um, just so

599
00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 1: you don't alert as many deer. Yeah, Now what about

600
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: actually putting the feed out? Um? Are you how frequently

601
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: do you do that? Are you worried about spooking deer

602
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: when you do that? Do you have a certain time

603
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 1: that you're you know, a certain amount of time between refills? Um?

604
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: Is it better just dump stuff on the ground versus

605
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 1: used like a feeder that will kind of slow deploy stuff.

606
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: What about that? It kind of depends on where you're at,

607
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: Like North Dakota, we feed all on the ground. Um,

608
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: where Aaron hunts in Oklahama, but we're that guy's running

609
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 1: time feeders, So it's a it's a little bit different

610
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 1: depending on where you're at. Um. We try not to

611
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 1: go into spots outside of mid day. Um. We don't

612
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: want to bump deer, you know, going in there in

613
00:32:58,040 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: the morning to feed them, and we don't want to

614
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 1: bump them in the afternoon. We kind of want them

615
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: to know that, you know, we come in there during

616
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: the middle of the day, we're putting new feet on

617
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: the ground for him and kind of let them feel

618
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 1: safe during those morning hours and evening hours or potentially

619
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: going to be hunting them. Okay, and what uh what

620
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 1: kind of uh you know, frequency do you feel like

621
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: you typically need to reapply to to keep that pattern going.

622
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: Is it like a once a week thing or what?

623
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: UM I would say to kind of depends on the stage. Sorry,

624
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: go ahead, brand, Yeah, I mean are when the baits

625
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: are running dry is when we feed them. So, I

626
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: mean it used to be before cell cameras we just

627
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 1: go you know, every week or every two weeks, but

628
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 1: now we just keep an eye on the cell cameras

629
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: and if if the food's gone, we go in there

630
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: and feed them. Yeah, Mike, I would agree percent with that.

631
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 1: But also, you know, it depends on the state you're

632
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 1: hunting to, uh and the regular as they have for

633
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: you know, the quantity you can have about UM, I

634
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 1: would say a lot of the states we hunt right now,

635
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: there's really not an you know, set regulation on how

636
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 1: much food you can put out, but um, some states

637
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 1: there is you know, certain limits as far as how

638
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 1: much you can put on the ground at one time. Yeah. Yeah,

639
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 1: definitely gonna be checking those before do anything there. UM. Okay,

640
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 1: that's helpful. What about um? You know, kind of along

641
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: these lines, when I'm thinking about putting up bait or

642
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 1: something like that, and you mentioned it Brandon with cell

643
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,760
Speaker 1: cameras and stuff. I'm thinking for a lot of folks,

644
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 1: the late season is kind of like a reset period

645
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: and for some people you kind of need to relocate deer. Uh,

646
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,399
Speaker 1: because a lot of deer go and do funky things

647
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: in November. I've certainly have had a lot of years

648
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: where my target bucks disappear for large parts of November

649
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: and then like December three, December nine, somewhere in that ballpark, Bam,

650
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 1: here here they are, They're back. Or I found myself

651
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 1: another year is where I don't have a good one

652
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 1: and I'm like, Okay, I gotta figure something out here

653
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: for the late season, and I'm like searching on other

654
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 1: properties again and hoping to find something, shifting things around,

655
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 1: moving cameras around, different stuff like that. Um, Mike, what

656
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: do you do or what are the the ideas you've

657
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: used in the past when you're just trying to find

658
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 1: late season deer and and trying to figure out like

659
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 1: where are they? Where's my opportunity? Um? What's that like

660
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 1: locating and scouting look like once you get into December

661
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 1: or January? For you? UM, I would say, I mean

662
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 1: we kind of already hit home on it a little bit,

663
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: but you know, trying to find the thickest cover possible

664
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 1: and anything that has a you know, nearby food source. Um.

665
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 1: You know. The one reason I think late season, you know,

666
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: is at the time here that we get excited about

667
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: you know, so much. Like you said, it's kind of

668
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: a reset. Um, we all will get dear, you know,

669
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 1: that will show up that we had pictures of early

670
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 1: season in velvet and they might have disappeared for four

671
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 1: months and shifted off somewhere, and then all of a

672
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: sudden they just show right back up. So that that's

673
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 1: one another reason too why I think we enjoy hunting

674
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: it so much is because you you just don't know,

675
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 1: um what you're gonna be getting yourself into. It's it's

676
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:22,760
Speaker 1: like a whole new time of the year for hunting. Really, Um,

677
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: I would say, as far as you know, trying to locate, um,

678
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: trying to locate dear this time of year, I mean,

679
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,399
Speaker 1: the biggest thing is the biggest thing for us too,

680
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 1: is just trying to see where they're yarding. Um, if

681
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 1: snow is on the ground, Uh, you can kind of hopefully,

682
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 1: you know, it helps you a little bit with with

683
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 1: pinpointing where deer are UM. I don't know, Brendan, you've

684
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: got anything else to add to that. I feel like

685
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: I'm missing something. North Dakota for example, which I know

686
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 1: we keep talking about North Dakota, but that's one of

687
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,760
Speaker 1: our favorite UM places hunt, especially during the late season.

688
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 1: Is I mean, we drive miles and miles and miles

689
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 1: around in them and just trying to find deer, and

690
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: if if there's snow on the ground, it definitely helps

691
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: to locate them because you can see the sign and

692
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 1: see trails, especially if you're driving around on a sunny day.

693
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 1: Everything's kind of magnified when you're driving around, those trails

694
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 1: just shine. But really it's it's locating where the hurds

695
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 1: are at because in late season, especially where the weather

696
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 1: gets really nasty, they yard up. And if you're you know,

697
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 1: trying to hunt an area where there's no I mean,

698
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 1: there's there's certain spots up there that might hold two

699
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: deer one winter, and if the food source switches there

700
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:50,879
Speaker 1: might there might not be a single deer within three

701
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: miles of it the following winter. So it kind of

702
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: changes every year with crop rotation and everything else. So

703
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: the thing that we're looking for is just trying to

704
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 1: find those pock It's a deer might not necessarily be

705
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: a herd of two hundred, but if you find you know, ten, fifteen,

706
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 1: twenty deer that are living in this block, you know

707
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 1: there's a pretty decent chance that there's you know, at

708
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 1: least one solid buck in the group. So we try

709
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: to find those groups and we try to put our

710
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: foods are you know, right on top of them? And

711
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: you're saying that you're putting in some random spot and

712
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: hope you get lucky. Yeah, So you're finding them though

713
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 1: by just driving around and glass and fields? Is that

714
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,839
Speaker 1: what you're doing? Driving around? Especially in North Dakota where

715
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: it's such wide open country. Yet we're we're putting a

716
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 1: lot of miles on the vehicle for sure. Now, what

717
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 1: about late season trail camera use? Um? Is it a

718
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 1: dent putting on those bait piles or uh? Do you

719
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: have any other kind of locations that work well for

720
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 1: putting cameras out and finding these deer? I guess also

721
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 1: for states that don't allow baiting, what do you do

722
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:59,399
Speaker 1: in that kind of situation? Brennan Um, I'm pretty much

723
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,879
Speaker 1: if it's a bait legal state, we're putting cameras right

724
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 1: on the food. If it's you know, where you can't

725
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 1: put feed down. I'm moving all my cameras to uh,

726
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 1: you know, to an eggs field and pretty much fence

727
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 1: crossing heading, you know, heading towards a food source. UM.

728
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: And I just I'll take twenty cameras and pull them

729
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,320
Speaker 1: off scrapes and I'll this litter them around the outside

730
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: edge of the field, just so I have a good

731
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 1: idea what's coming to it. Uh, Mike, anything different, I

732
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 1: would agree with all that, you know, I just like

733
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: Brennan kind of said on in states where you can't bait,

734
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 1: I would pull a lot of my interior cameras out

735
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 1: to the exterior of the property any any sort of

736
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 1: transition to a food source, I would have just about

737
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,959
Speaker 1: every trail covered going out to any sort of major

738
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:53,280
Speaker 1: egg field, UM, to just kind of get that inventory

739
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: as far as you know what they're utilizing in and

740
00:39:56,239 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: where they're accessing it. Yeah, all right, So we're lasting fields,

741
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: were checking snow for tracks and trails. We're running cameras

742
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 1: on the best food source, whether that's placed there by

743
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 1: you or if it's you know, whatever's are there naturally

744
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: with agg um, that's gonna help you fair out where

745
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 1: this deer are. Now, I guess I want to dive

746
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 1: into how you actually are setting up on him. So

747
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: we've we've talked a little bit about this, and Mike

748
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: you mentioned that you're almost always doing ground blinds, at

749
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 1: least in those North Dakota setups. Um, but walk me through. Um,

750
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 1: you know, Brendan, maybe start me out here. Can you

751
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: walk me through your ideal set up for a late

752
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 1: season hunt if you're if you can kind of lay

753
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: out from me. Okay, we've got like this kind of

754
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 1: food source, and then how that might relate to a

755
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,839
Speaker 1: betting area, and then how you position yourself in there.

756
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: Are you do you always like to be right on

757
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:49,720
Speaker 1: the food? Do you sometimes prefer to be off it? Uh?

758
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,760
Speaker 1: Give me some details and like, paint me this picture

759
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,919
Speaker 1: of the perfect late season set up, how you would

760
00:40:55,960 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 1: set it all up. So I guess the perfect eight

761
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 1: seasons set up for me would be. You know, if

762
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 1: I'm bow hunting, it would probably be set up for

763
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: a northwest wind, because when you get those major cold fronts,

764
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 1: that's generally what what wind you're getting is the north northwest.

765
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 1: So I would you know, if I had to set

766
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 1: up one late season spot, I would set it up

767
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: for a north northwest wind. Um. But that being said,

768
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 1: we try to set up spots for literally every wind direction.

769
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: That way, you know, if you get a week of

770
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: south winds, you're not You're not screwed and sitting there

771
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: scratching your head saying, ship, we can't hunt any of

772
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 1: these spots. So we try to set up, you know,

773
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: try to evenly spread everything out. Have you know, multiple

774
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 1: north wind spots, south wind spots, west wind east and uh.

775
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 1: But if I had to set up one spot for

776
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 1: late season, I would have my blind or stand or

777
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: whatever I'm hunting out of I would have it set

778
00:41:55,560 --> 00:42:00,760
Speaker 1: up for a northwest wind. And I mean accesses is everything.

779
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:02,720
Speaker 1: Being able to get in and out of there without

780
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 1: spooky deer you know, is number one. But I would

781
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: set up for a northwest wind. Okay, so northwest wind

782
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 1: in this spot where you can get off that food source. Um. Yeah,

783
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:19,359
Speaker 1: Can I give me a little more detail there as

784
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 1: far as like how you might position yourself one thing,

785
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 1: like when you're hunting food sources, A lot of questions,

786
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 1: you know, folks have is like how you're setting up

787
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:30,720
Speaker 1: with the wind direction? So do you want the wind,

788
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: you know, going parallel to the edge of that field?

789
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: Do you want or the or the bait pile or

790
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 1: whatever it is. Do you want the wind going straight

791
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: from the bedding out into the field and you're trying

792
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 1: to kill him before they get down? When do you

793
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: in the field cutting the corner with the wind? Like?

794
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 1: What about that kind of stuff? I pretty much want

795
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 1: the wind in my face from the time I leave

796
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: my vehicle or wherever I'm coming from. I pretty much

797
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: want the wind in my face from the time I

798
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 1: leave the vehicle until the time I'm leaving. Um. I

799
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: don't want my wind ever to flow into any sort

800
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 1: of cover where deer could potentially be betting. I think

801
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 1: a lot of people kind of throw that out the window.

802
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 1: They think about what the wind is once they're in

803
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 1: their stand or in their blind, but they don't necessarily

804
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 1: pay attention to where their wind is blowing when they're accessing.

805
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 1: And I think that's what a lot where a lot

806
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: of people make mistakes. You can do a lot of

807
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 1: damage walking across the property to get to a stand

808
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: if you're winds blowing in to cover the whole way

809
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: to get there. UM. So I I try to set

810
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 1: my spots up and like I got a cage blind

811
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 1: in Iowa, which is kind of a perfect example. I

812
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: have the landowner actually is gracious enough to stack round

813
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: bales around the base of the tower that way deer

814
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 1: can't see me climb in and out of the tower.

815
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: And just small little attention to details like that of

816
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:55,439
Speaker 1: getting in and out, Like if I didn't have those

817
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: bails covering me. Uh, there's a very good chance every

818
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 1: time I climb out of that tower, dark fear are

819
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,359
Speaker 1: gonna bust me. And you know, every time the deer

820
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: bust you, you're less likely to get a mature gear

821
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 1: step out in that area during daylight. What about you, Mike,

822
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:16,720
Speaker 1: I would say, Um, also just using train features, UM,

823
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:18,760
Speaker 1: if you have you know, if you're hunting an area

824
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: that on a food source that has some sort of

825
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:25,720
Speaker 1: rise to it, or terrorists, things like that. UM, using

826
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 1: using that in your favor to have as a you know,

827
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 1: an exit strategy can be huge. UM. Brennan hit it

828
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 1: on the nail, right on the head when he was

829
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 1: talking about you know, entering and always having that wind

830
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 1: in your face. I mean that rule would apply, you know,

831
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: not just to late season, but any sort of time

832
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 1: of the year. Um. I mean, if you can ideally

833
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 1: access your property with with the wind never blowing to

834
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: the sides of you or in front of you at

835
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 1: any time, you're gonna you're gonna maximize the amount of

836
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 1: amount of cover that that you're indirection hasn't blown into,

837
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: and you're not alarming you know, should not. You shouldn't

838
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: alarm you know, any deer at that point, then, um,

839
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 1: can you can you paint me a picture? Can you

840
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: tell me about what you're like? Perfect late seasons set

841
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 1: up would be as far as like, all right, this

842
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 1: is where the food source would be, this is how

843
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 1: I placed my blind This is how far away it

844
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 1: would be from X thing. Um, what would that look

845
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:25,399
Speaker 1: like for you if if you could just sit down

846
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 1: and blueprint out exactly what you wanted for this kind

847
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: of time of year. Mm hmmm. I would say it's

848
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 1: very very similar to how how Brennan had his set up. Um,

849
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 1: I I really like my my Lisa had last year

850
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 1: and Iowa I would say it was one of the

851
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 1: more perfect setups I had for for late season. Um. Ever, um,

852
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:50,399
Speaker 1: just to kind of like paint a picture for you

853
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: that the deer we're primarily betting to the west northwest

854
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,879
Speaker 1: of where I was located on the food source um,

855
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,040
Speaker 1: and they had to come across the CRP field to

856
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: get to the food source. And and I had my

857
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: stand positioned on be on the south side of the

858
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 1: corn um. And I actually left probably sixteen rows of

859
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: standing corn in between me and the deer. This was

860
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 1: for for muzzloaders set up, not for archery. Um. And

861
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 1: then there's fingers that ran through through the draws. North

862
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: would be north and then and one to the northeast

863
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:31,359
Speaker 1: from my stand, and I was able to knock down

864
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 1: corn in the center of them. So it allowed me

865
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:37,320
Speaker 1: to basically get in and out of the stand uh

866
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: without the deer even really seeing my presence um when

867
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 1: they would get into the corn and they'd be feeding

868
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 1: inside the corn um. So generally, generally speaking, if everything

869
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 1: worked out right, I could get in and out with

870
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 1: deer in the field. So what ended up happening there,

871
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 1: um I shot uh buck the second night of the

872
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 1: of my sit. Didn't take too long at all, did

873
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: they did? They follow the script just like you thought

874
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 1: they would. Yeah, they did exactly exactly what I thought

875
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 1: they would. I actually ran um where they come out

876
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: of the trust to the CRP grass. They had to

877
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 1: jump a fence, and where they were jumping the fence

878
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 1: is where I actually ran the corn down into the cornfield.

879
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 1: So all the dear pretty much single file, came right

880
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 1: through that gap. Um. Yeah, it worked out absolutely perfect.

881
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 1: Had the ideal you know, northwest wind that night it

882
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 1: was you know, ten to fifteen blow zero. I mean,

883
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 1: you couldn't have asked for better conditions for for late

884
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:47,359
Speaker 1: muzzloter hunting in Iowa. Yeah. That was that a tree

885
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 1: stand or blind. I was on out of cage blind.

886
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 1: Um so an elevated ground blind. Um. Let's talk a

887
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 1: little bit about ground blinds. And you mentioned that you

888
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 1: use that a lot in North Dakota. I know a

889
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 1: lot of folks use these during the late season. UM. Now,

890
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 1: I know your example right, there was an elevator one.

891
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 1: But when you're on the ground, there definitely are some

892
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 1: things that are different as far as what you can

893
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:13,800
Speaker 1: get away with and what you can't, especially in the

894
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: late season. I feel like in the late season the

895
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:19,280
Speaker 1: deer are on edge even more than usual. It seems

896
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 1: like sound carries even further in the late season. Um,

897
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 1: it just seems like there's so much that can go

898
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 1: wrong and then like just getting drawn back. Everything's creaking

899
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 1: and popping and just all these different things. Is there

900
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 1: anything you've learned over the years, Mike, as far as

901
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:38,800
Speaker 1: little tricks for making you know things work better in

902
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 1: a ground blind or or anything you've learned over the

903
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: years to help make sure that you know you're more

904
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 1: effective in those situations and don't get busted during the

905
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:50,320
Speaker 1: late season. Yeah, I would say just starting from the setup.

906
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 1: The first thing that we do when we go into

907
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 1: a ground blind set up for late season, and we

908
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: will remove any sort of debris that's in that area

909
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:03,360
Speaker 1: where gonna be putting the blind, so there's no typically

910
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 1: there's no grass, no leaves, anything like that. Once you

911
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: pop pop the blind up and get it situated. UM.

912
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 1: Just another little trick we do when we're set up

913
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:17,799
Speaker 1: in the blind is we'll actually bring like either a

914
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 1: mat or something like a like a thermi seed, um,

915
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 1: and instead of putting it on your on your butt,

916
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 1: put it right on the floor. Um. It can service

917
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 1: two purposes that can minimize your noise when you're shifting

918
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 1: your feet around, but also just having that little bit

919
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:36,320
Speaker 1: of insulation will make a huge difference when it's really

920
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 1: cold with keeping your feet warmer. UM. Another thing that

921
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 1: we'll do in the ground blind is pretty much from

922
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 1: the waist up, I'll we're all black, um, just to

923
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 1: try and keep everything dark in the blind as possible,

924
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:54,840
Speaker 1: as much as possible, UM, And I try. I prefer

925
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 1: to wear like uh footed sweatshirt, like try and layer

926
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 1: under beneath that. UM. Just from what we've noticed in

927
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 1: the past, you know, any sort of put in material

928
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: is a lot quieter compared to trying to wear like

929
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 1: a you know, a big bulky winter jacket. UM. So

930
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 1: when it comes time to drawing and that you're making

931
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:21,879
Speaker 1: the least amount of no as possible. UM. Another thing

932
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,319
Speaker 1: to add on to that, I would say is we

933
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 1: try to always bring in like a ground blind bow holder,

934
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 1: whether it's one that you can put in the top

935
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 1: hub of the blind or on the ground, because when

936
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 1: it gets to be ten in some cases north to

937
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:41,240
Speaker 1: North Dakota, you know ten, blow it up to fifty below.

938
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,839
Speaker 1: It's you can't hang onto a bowl that long. Your

939
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 1: hands will freeze right off. UM. So, but you gotta

940
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 1: be ready because it because it can literally happen when

941
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 1: you're on the ground any second. So just having where

942
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 1: it's just um right, you know, right next to you

943
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 1: in your hand, where something happens, you can make that

944
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 1: quick move and make a shot. UM. Just being able

945
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 1: to always be ready is key when it gets cold,

946
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,359
Speaker 1: it's a great it's a great point. Now, with these

947
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 1: ground blinds that you're sending up for those Dakota hunts,

948
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: how far ahead of time do you feel like you

949
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 1: need to get a blind set up in a place

950
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 1: so that it's not spooking deer? Like are you are

951
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 1: you putting these blinds out way early in the season

952
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 1: they stay out all year, or do you find yourself

953
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:25,240
Speaker 1: like scouting late season, locating the deer and then putting

954
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:30,799
Speaker 1: the blinds right and then and there. I would say

955
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 1: that when we we don't really leave blinds out at

956
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 1: all North Dakota year round. We and we go to

957
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:42,479
Speaker 1: set of stuff late season, we pop them up and

958
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,399
Speaker 1: out there. It seems like the deer it doesn't take

959
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 1: that long for them to get used to them. Um.

960
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 1: I would I would say most actually, a lot of

961
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 1: the states that we hunt, UM, that are you know,

962
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:58,320
Speaker 1: lower pressure states. I feel like you could pop a

963
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 1: blind up and within you know, a few days, you

964
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 1: could get away with hunting out of it um. But

965
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 1: some of your higher pressure states, I would definitely be

966
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 1: popping on blind up, you know, a few weeks before

967
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 1: I would even be considering, you know, hopping in into

968
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 1: hunt it um. It just seems it's you know, some

969
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 1: of those higher pressure states, it takes a lot longer

970
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:25,320
Speaker 1: for those deer to really get accustomed to it um

971
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 1: and and it seems like if you can brush it

972
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 1: into that can kind of help them as well, get

973
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:34,240
Speaker 1: a little bit more so they're not as skittish to it. Uh. Brennan,

974
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 1: What's what about your take on both ground blinds set

975
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 1: up and then also a little tips or any little

976
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 1: tricks you found over the years to be more effective

977
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 1: when you're actually in their hunting. From anything that you'd

978
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 1: add what Mike brought up on those two points, I

979
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 1: think a spot on you know, as far as uh location.

980
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 1: You know, in in some states it takes deer maybe

981
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:57,840
Speaker 1: a day or two to get used to a ground

982
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:02,319
Speaker 1: blind and you know, be comfortable moving in front of them,

983
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 1: and other states that could take through three weeks for

984
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 1: a deer to get comfortable to you know, feed in

985
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 1: front of them. But one of the things that I

986
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:13,959
Speaker 1: kind of key in on hunting out of ground blinds

987
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 1: is keeping as much as many of the windows closed

988
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 1: as possible. I feel like a lot of people set

989
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 1: up ground blinds and they feel like they need to

990
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 1: see all the way around them, so they got windows

991
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 1: open on every side. I will literally have my window

992
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 1: open where I send a shoot and everything else will

993
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 1: be pitch black, like I if it if it wasn't

994
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 1: for filming, I would probably have about a six by

995
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 1: six inch window that would I would leave open on

996
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 1: a blind just to shoot out of. But with us filming,

997
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 1: we leave a little bit more open. But I think

998
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: the key is to keep as much closed as possible. Um.

999
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 1: I think it helps a little bit with scent does

1000
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 1: definitely doesn't you know, take care of your sending like

1001
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 1: a redneck would. But I feel like keeping as much

1002
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 1: of it closed as possible definitely helps. And uh, you know,

1003
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 1: obviously the more you have closed up, the less likely

1004
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 1: are you to get picked off by dear Yeah, one

1005
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 1: little we've done over the uh, go ahead, Mike, I

1006
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:20,879
Speaker 1: don't say one little thing that we've done over there

1007
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 1: is we're big believers in using those jammer. Um is

1008
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:26,799
Speaker 1: when we would put blinds, if we'd actually spray it,

1009
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 1: spray the blinds with those jammer because that's what we're

1010
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 1: using when we're hunting. I'm just getting them dear accustomed

1011
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 1: to that smell. Um. I feel like it gives us

1012
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 1: a little bit more of an advantage. Yeah, yeah, I

1013
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:48,759
Speaker 1: found that helps too. Sure what were you saying before that, Brian, Um,

1014
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:52,879
Speaker 1: it's just uh kind of going back to what Mike

1015
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 1: said about cleaning out the the floor of the blind,

1016
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:58,880
Speaker 1: like when we sat the blind. Um, Well, you know,

1017
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 1: if it's in a grassy are are, let's say there's

1018
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 1: already snow on the ground when we set up blind up,

1019
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 1: We'll go through there and kick that ground completely clean

1020
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 1: all the way down to the dirt. That way, you're

1021
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 1: not making any any kind of noise when you're shuffling

1022
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 1: your feet around or moving around in there, because once

1023
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 1: the ground freezes, if you have leaves or grass or

1024
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:22,399
Speaker 1: anything in there, or even snow that would freeze, I mean,

1025
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 1: that's extremely noisy to unless you have like a dirt

1026
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:27,839
Speaker 1: floor in the blind that you can you can save

1027
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:32,279
Speaker 1: yourself a lot of noise? Do you guys ever use ozonics?

1028
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:40,880
Speaker 1: Machines used to UM until nose jammer came out, and

1029
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:43,360
Speaker 1: we have no we have no affiliation with nose jammer,

1030
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 1: but we we use it like it's going out of style.

1031
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 1: So so you feel like that negates the need for

1032
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:54,319
Speaker 1: something ozonics because because especially with ground blinds, UM, I'm

1033
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 1: always you know, trying to figure out the right way

1034
00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 1: to use something like that and those kinds of setups. UM,

1035
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 1: it seems like you guys get away when those jammer

1036
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:06,799
Speaker 1: and that's about all you need. I mean, I've got

1037
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:08,360
Speaker 1: a lot of faith to know the jammer. Not to

1038
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 1: say we don't get busted by deer, because we still do,

1039
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 1: but I feel like we've got away with a lot

1040
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 1: of stuff that we want to without nose jammer, if

1041
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 1: that makes any sense. But we we've had very good

1042
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 1: luck too with those onics. Yeah, Wisconsin, with the nosonics,

1043
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 1: I feel like it played a huge part. Yeah, And

1044
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 1: I would say though you know, it was one of

1045
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 1: the reasons that I feel like we kind of quit using.

1046
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 1: It wasn't necessarily like we weren't believers in the product.

1047
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 1: It was just when we're hunting and filming, you're carrying

1048
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:50,400
Speaker 1: so much stuff already to begin with. It's just another thing, Carrie. Yeah, yeah,

1049
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 1: and when you can, when when we can just have

1050
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 1: a little spray, bottle of nose jammer or something that's

1051
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 1: a little more compact. Um. I don't know. So it's

1052
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:03,880
Speaker 1: just one less item that you gotta have on your pack. Yeah.

1053
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 1: You know one thing I found myself doing this year too.

1054
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 1: I used both. I use nose jam r and ozonics

1055
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 1: most hunts, um. But for whatever reason, I just have

1056
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 1: gotten sick of the sound of the ozonics. Like the

1057
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,440
Speaker 1: fan up above you, and I just I turned off

1058
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 1: a few times and I'd be like, oh my gosh,

1059
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 1: I can hear so much more, Like I would have

1060
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 1: no idea there's a dearly fifty yards away. I couldn't

1061
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 1: hear it at all. And I turned that dang thing

1062
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 1: off and like bam, oh yeah there's a deer. Um.

1063
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 1: You forget what that would sound like without that fan

1064
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 1: whirring over top of your head. Sometimes. Yeah, yeah, that smell,

1065
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 1: that ozone smell kind of makes me nauseous to it

1066
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 1: if I've got it running for too long. I that's

1067
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 1: something about that smell kind of bothers me after a

1068
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 1: while too. It's definitely um for me. It's become like

1069
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 1: an association with huntings, like if I smell a whiff

1070
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 1: of ozone like in its place outside of like a

1071
00:57:56,240 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 1: hunting context of like oh, hunting season, but it does

1072
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 1: have a noticeable of roma to it. Um. But but

1073
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 1: back to like stuff during the hunt, um. I mean,

1074
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 1: we were just talking about some of your send control

1075
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 1: practices during the hunt, talked about some of the things

1076
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 1: you're setting up within your ground blines for these hunts, um.

1077
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 1: And that brings us back to I think like one

1078
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 1: of the overarching themes of late season, which is deer

1079
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 1: or really spooky. So they're gonna be easier to spook

1080
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:26,920
Speaker 1: with your wind, They're gonna be easier to spook with

1081
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 1: a sound or movement in the tree or in the blind. Um.

1082
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 1: You just have to really be on your A game.

1083
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 1: I feel like during the late season there's there's almost

1084
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 1: zero room for error. It's kind of the exact opposite

1085
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 1: of the rut. If if the rut gives you the

1086
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 1: most opportunity to get away with a few mistakes here

1087
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 1: and there, the late season is is the exact opposite. Um.

1088
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 1: So this brings to mind another question to have, which

1089
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 1: is another one of these kind of aggressive place that

1090
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 1: you might use a little bit during the early season.

1091
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 1: You know, use probably a lot in some places during

1092
00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 1: the rut, But what about during the late season. The

1093
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 1: question is calling? Will you ever use any kind of

1094
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 1: calling techniques once we get into this late season, you

1095
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 1: gotta buck this just out of range. Doesn't look like

1096
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 1: he's gonna come into the food, but he's kind of

1097
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 1: in your zone. Do you ever bust out the grunt

1098
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 1: tube or or something else, Brennan at this time of year,

1099
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 1: I personally don't. I mean, I shouldn't say that we

1100
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:24,560
Speaker 1: rattled one in last night, but I I said, I

1101
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 1: don't consider it late season yet where we were hunting,

1102
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 1: and like next week in uh or this weekend in Iowa. UM,

1103
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I'm still treating it like the rut,

1104
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 1: so I'll probably do some calling, but like once I'm

1105
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 1: kind of shifted to late season on over a foot stores,

1106
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 1: I personally don't even take the calls with me anymore.

1107
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:52,040
Speaker 1: And why is that? Um? Because i feel like I'm

1108
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 1: hunting an area where I feel like if these deer

1109
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 1: are unpressured, and they don't know that I'm hunting them.

1110
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:01,640
Speaker 1: They're gonna to come in there the next night too.

1111
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 1: So if they come in one night and they skirt

1112
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 1: me out of range, I don't want to throw anything

1113
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:11,320
Speaker 1: at them trying to get them in range. I'm just

1114
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 1: gonna hunt it on the next good weather day and

1115
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 1: hope for different results, versus taking the risk of you know,

1116
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 1: throwing a call at him and them, you know, spooky. Yeah, yeah,

1117
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 1: I follow you there, Mike, what about you? I would

1118
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 1: agree with that too. I've never really considered even using

1119
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 1: calls late season. Um. One of the biggest reasons why though,

1120
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 1: is just because typically when you're when you're hunting some

1121
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 1: of these um lads and food sources, you're dealing with

1122
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 1: a lot more eyes, a lot more noses. Um, there's

1123
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 1: this a lot less you can get away with, like

1124
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:51,439
Speaker 1: you said, so bringing calls to their attention a lot

1125
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 1: of times, when you have that many deer nearby, you

1126
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:57,800
Speaker 1: can actually alert them and and make them a little

1127
01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:03,360
Speaker 1: more skittish than actually draw me in um myself personally,

1128
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 1: just even during during hunting the rut um, using calls

1129
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 1: and rattling just seems to be only effective to me

1130
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:14,040
Speaker 1: when you're dealing with one specific deer or a couple

1131
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 1: of deer um at a given time. You know, once

1132
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 1: you get multiple deer out in the field. UM. I

1133
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 1: tried it a couple of years ago in Iowa. Had

1134
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:25,080
Speaker 1: tried hitting the horns when there's like ten fifteen gear

1135
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 1: out in the field and that the whole field apart.

1136
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 1: So after that, I pretty much gave up on calling

1137
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:34,520
Speaker 1: and rattling on deer when there's multiple deer um. I

1138
01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:38,640
Speaker 1: feel like it's just timing specific and usually a late season.

1139
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 1: It's just it's not the right time to do it

1140
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 1: when you're dealing with that many eyes and eyes and

1141
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:48,360
Speaker 1: ears and noses out in the field at wants. Yeah,

1142
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:51,680
Speaker 1: I felt the same way. It just seems like higher

1143
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 1: excuse me, higher risk and lower reward at that time

1144
01:01:55,520 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 1: of year. So let's say this. Let's say you you

1145
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 1: had this perfect, picture perfect setup, you went in there,

1146
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:17,160
Speaker 1: you hunted it. Uh, you you had everything you thought

1147
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 1: lined up just perfect, and the big buck doesn't show.

1148
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:23,560
Speaker 1: You go back in the next day, maybe still good conditions,

1149
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:28,600
Speaker 1: he still doesn't show. What do you do when it

1150
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:31,919
Speaker 1: comes to the issue of you know, hunting the same

1151
01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:34,520
Speaker 1: spot over and over again, like volume hunting a spot

1152
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 1: versus like bouncing around and looking for new spots or

1153
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:41,840
Speaker 1: fresh activity. Um, when it comes to the late season,

1154
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:44,440
Speaker 1: are you more apt to just like stick it out

1155
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 1: on that very best place and give it time or

1156
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:50,560
Speaker 1: do you like to bounce and bounce and bounce and

1157
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:52,600
Speaker 1: you know, get a bunch of quote unquote first sits

1158
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:57,240
Speaker 1: um until you figure something out. Brennan, What's what's your

1159
01:02:57,240 --> 01:03:01,760
Speaker 1: approach there? I guess it depended like if if you're

1160
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 1: targeting a specific buck or if you're just targeting, you know,

1161
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:11,640
Speaker 1: a respectable buck. If I'm targeting a specific buck, I'm

1162
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:15,920
Speaker 1: probably not gonna hunt anywhere else just because I'm set

1163
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:18,800
Speaker 1: on a certain deer. Um. So I'm gonna hunt him

1164
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:21,160
Speaker 1: on when the conditions are right. If I hunt in

1165
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:24,320
Speaker 1: a couple of days in a row and he doesn't show,

1166
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:30,080
Speaker 1: but he had been daylight active leading up to that, um,

1167
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:32,400
Speaker 1: And as long as my entrance and the exit is

1168
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:34,760
Speaker 1: clean and I'm not busting deer every time I'm going

1169
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:37,960
Speaker 1: in there, I'll keep hunting them if the winds right, um,

1170
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:40,000
Speaker 1: Because I feel like We've got a couple of spots

1171
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:43,400
Speaker 1: like that, in North Dakota, where you know we'll get

1172
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:46,760
Speaker 1: a deer that will come in there broad daylight, two

1173
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:50,360
Speaker 1: or three days out of the week. No really consistent

1174
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:53,600
Speaker 1: reason why he's coming in when he's coming in. But

1175
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:55,280
Speaker 1: if you go on at two nights in a row

1176
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:57,040
Speaker 1: and then you're like, oh, I'm gonna give it a

1177
01:03:57,040 --> 01:03:59,480
Speaker 1: break a night, I guarantee he's coming in the next night.

1178
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:01,920
Speaker 1: The old A lot of times, if we're getting in

1179
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:04,040
Speaker 1: and out of the spots clean and not blowing deer,

1180
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:06,880
Speaker 1: you know, well, well on them three or four nights

1181
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:08,800
Speaker 1: in a row, as long as we're getting in and

1182
01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 1: out of there without busted deer. Yeah, my last book,

1183
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:15,840
Speaker 1: I shot North Dakota eight season. That's actually what how

1184
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:18,680
Speaker 1: I killed it is. Remember we had a couple of

1185
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:20,880
Speaker 1: the guys haunted a spot I think three nights in

1186
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:24,440
Speaker 1: a row and they didn't see a single deer and

1187
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:26,640
Speaker 1: they didn't want to sit it. So I said, if

1188
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:29,120
Speaker 1: they're not sitting and I'm gonna sit it, and I

1189
01:04:29,160 --> 01:04:34,960
Speaker 1: shot shot one of the boss Because of how the

1190
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:37,800
Speaker 1: just because of how their patterns were and how our

1191
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:40,480
Speaker 1: entrance and exit was set up, I felt like you

1192
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:42,920
Speaker 1: could have got away with hunting it multiple times. I

1193
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:45,320
Speaker 1: mean a lot of times that's not the case though

1194
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:48,840
Speaker 1: I'm myself personally, I would say, if i'm, if I'm

1195
01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:52,479
Speaker 1: sitting a spot and kind of the scenario you laid

1196
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:54,440
Speaker 1: out and I sat it a couple of nights and

1197
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:58,480
Speaker 1: you didn't come in. Um, if it, if I feel

1198
01:04:58,520 --> 01:05:01,280
Speaker 1: that there's even a chance that I'm alerting any sort

1199
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:03,560
Speaker 1: of deer, I might take a night off. Or if

1200
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:06,320
Speaker 1: I see another cold front coming, you know, a few

1201
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:08,400
Speaker 1: days down the road, I might not even hunt it

1202
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:13,200
Speaker 1: for a few days. Um. If I'm if I'm and

1203
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:15,240
Speaker 1: just go on a different spot or not hunt at all,

1204
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:19,400
Speaker 1: you know. Um, I would say that more for myself

1205
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:22,080
Speaker 1: more than not. That's what I would do. But it

1206
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:24,680
Speaker 1: but it really can depend on you know, we keep

1207
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:28,080
Speaker 1: going back to it, but your your entrance and exit, um,

1208
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:30,560
Speaker 1: how it sets up for you. If if you feel

1209
01:05:30,560 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 1: like you can get in and out multiple times without

1210
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:35,680
Speaker 1: alerting deer, I feel like you can definitely get away

1211
01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:40,480
Speaker 1: with with sitting in multiple days in a row. Yeah,

1212
01:05:41,080 --> 01:05:44,160
Speaker 1: you brought up like checking the forecast and seeing if

1213
01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:46,760
Speaker 1: there's maybe another cold front coming or something like that,

1214
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:50,320
Speaker 1: and how that might impact your decision. Making, which which

1215
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:54,880
Speaker 1: brings up the fact that we haven't really dove deep

1216
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:57,640
Speaker 1: into these conditions you're waiting for. We we've just kind

1217
01:05:57,640 --> 01:06:01,800
Speaker 1: of alluded to like cold weather. Um, but is is

1218
01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:06,000
Speaker 1: there anything specifically that you're looking for from the weather

1219
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:08,480
Speaker 1: forecast that tells you it's go time? I mean, does

1220
01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:11,080
Speaker 1: it have to be like any kind of cold from

1221
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:14,120
Speaker 1: or are you waiting for like the mega cold from

1222
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:17,640
Speaker 1: the thirty degree drop or the sub zero temperatures in snow,

1223
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:22,600
Speaker 1: Like what what's the specific thing you're looking for to

1224
01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:27,000
Speaker 1: tell you it's it's time to go? Mike, I would

1225
01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:31,040
Speaker 1: say it doesn't necessarily need to be the megaculds round.

1226
01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:35,920
Speaker 1: Just a significant enough temperature drop to where it's gonna

1227
01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:39,280
Speaker 1: get deer up on their feet and wanting to hit

1228
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:46,840
Speaker 1: you know, a grain food source. Um. You know, and

1229
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:50,320
Speaker 1: it can just some of the little factors that can

1230
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:53,880
Speaker 1: come into play, you know, even just a uh a

1231
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 1: minute cold front change or a temperature change with a

1232
01:06:57,640 --> 01:07:00,720
Speaker 1: wind ruction switch, or if it's going from cast the

1233
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:04,240
Speaker 1: clear skies, like those little bit those little factors can

1234
01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:07,400
Speaker 1: get those maturity up on their feet. Um. But I

1235
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:10,240
Speaker 1: mean the first thing I'd always go go to for

1236
01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:12,840
Speaker 1: the rule of thumb would be that you know, initial

1237
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:17,120
Speaker 1: temperature drop. Like that's what we're at least what I'm

1238
01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:19,640
Speaker 1: you know, setting my my sights on when I'm looking

1239
01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:22,280
Speaker 1: at the forecast in the future is if there's a

1240
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:26,000
Speaker 1: you know, ten degree change or more in uh in

1241
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:29,280
Speaker 1: temperature from one day to another. Um. I mean some

1242
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:32,320
Speaker 1: of the other factors that I hit on, they just

1243
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:39,880
Speaker 1: kind of add to the I think increasing your odds. Yeah, Brennan, Um,

1244
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:45,360
Speaker 1: kind of on the weather stuff. Um, almost complete opposite though.

1245
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:48,360
Speaker 1: We've noticed, you know, if you've got a week straight

1246
01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:51,880
Speaker 1: of five to ten below and you all of a

1247
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:56,040
Speaker 1: sudden you get a a day where it's ten above,

1248
01:07:56,440 --> 01:08:00,160
Speaker 1: and like, Sonny, it's almost like those dear for it

1249
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:03,200
Speaker 1: as like how we would treat, you know, the fourth

1250
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:06,280
Speaker 1: of July, like it's nice out, let's let's move and

1251
01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:09,600
Speaker 1: get up and walk around, so like not to stay

1252
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:13,320
Speaker 1: like that is just cold fronts that are effective. It's

1253
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:16,439
Speaker 1: like any like change in the weather. So if you've

1254
01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:20,439
Speaker 1: got you know, a week straight of just nasty cold weather,

1255
01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:23,040
Speaker 1: yeah you might have some good hunting, but there's a

1256
01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:25,799
Speaker 1: pretty good chance when that weather changes and it warms

1257
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:28,559
Speaker 1: up and it's nice that first day that day could

1258
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:32,559
Speaker 1: be just as effective as the cold trunk. Yeh yeah.

1259
01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:35,479
Speaker 1: And and and to add on to that, you know,

1260
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:39,360
Speaker 1: usually when when you have them extreme cold trunks like

1261
01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:42,800
Speaker 1: that that you know, span multiple days, those first couple

1262
01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:45,000
Speaker 1: of days might just be dynamite, but as it kind

1263
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:48,360
Speaker 1: of legs on, those deer will kind of just eventually

1264
01:08:49,400 --> 01:08:52,040
Speaker 1: get subdued and kind of lay up and they're waiting

1265
01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:54,960
Speaker 1: for that that warm up, like Brennan said, to get

1266
01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:58,640
Speaker 1: up and you know and feed. Um. We'll see the

1267
01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:00,760
Speaker 1: North Dakota a lot of times to lay excusion where

1268
01:09:01,280 --> 01:09:03,400
Speaker 1: the deer don't move it all through the night. But

1269
01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:06,960
Speaker 1: then once it warms up you know, ten fifteen degrees

1270
01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:10,040
Speaker 1: during the middle of day, if we're driving around or

1271
01:09:10,120 --> 01:09:13,160
Speaker 1: you know, checking spots things like that, you see deer

1272
01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:15,920
Speaker 1: out all over it. If it's a clear, sunny day.

1273
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:19,559
Speaker 1: You know, I I don't blame them, you know, I'd

1274
01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:21,800
Speaker 1: rather go out and feed when it's twenty degrees out

1275
01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:25,160
Speaker 1: then you know, last light when it's five below zero.

1276
01:09:25,320 --> 01:09:28,439
Speaker 1: So they definitely take advantage of those times of the

1277
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Speaker 1: day when when there is those warm ups to get

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01:09:30,360 --> 01:09:32,240
Speaker 1: out and kind of sun and stretch your legs and

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01:09:32,280 --> 01:09:36,320
Speaker 1: get some food. Um, you know, and if you get

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01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:39,040
Speaker 1: if you get a warm enough spell, like if you

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01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:41,000
Speaker 1: just to kind of throw an example out, if you're

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01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:43,479
Speaker 1: if you have a long stretch of cold leather with

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01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:46,400
Speaker 1: with some snow on the ground and their hammering, uh

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01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:48,840
Speaker 1: you know there your corn or beans, things like that,

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01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:51,360
Speaker 1: if you get a severe warm up where it it'll

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01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:53,960
Speaker 1: you know, melt some of that snow and open up

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Speaker 1: some some green areas. Sometimes going back to that green

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01:09:57,640 --> 01:10:01,519
Speaker 1: can be huge. Um. You know, we've killed a handful

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Speaker 1: of box late season, you know, doing stuff like that

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01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:07,560
Speaker 1: where when the snow melts off, that's that's usually the

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01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:11,799
Speaker 1: They definitely try to take advantage of, um, the limited

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01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:14,280
Speaker 1: resource at that time. And when you get a warm

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01:10:14,360 --> 01:10:17,320
Speaker 1: up and and green pops up, um, they're gonna try

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01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:19,080
Speaker 1: and eat it up as as much as they can

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01:10:19,160 --> 01:10:22,559
Speaker 1: until you know that next snowfall comes and and they

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Speaker 1: have to go back to you know, feeding on green. Yeah,

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01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:29,799
Speaker 1: that's a good point. Speaking of those warmups, what about

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01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:34,360
Speaker 1: the situation where you're just stuck with the warm you

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01:10:34,439 --> 01:10:37,080
Speaker 1: never get the big cold front that comes through, and

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01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:39,400
Speaker 1: you're late season is winding down and you keep on

1301
01:10:39,439 --> 01:10:41,840
Speaker 1: looking the weather and you're like, man, it's warm, it's warm.

1302
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:43,720
Speaker 1: It's warm. Now we're down to the last ten days.

1303
01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:46,559
Speaker 1: Now we're down the last seven days. Time's taken away.

1304
01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:50,160
Speaker 1: It looks like you're never going to get that cold front. Um,

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01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:52,400
Speaker 1: what do you do in that case, Mike, when you're

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01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:55,960
Speaker 1: just stuck with mild or average temperatures you never get

1307
01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:59,439
Speaker 1: the cold one. Um, do you just not hunt or

1308
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:02,920
Speaker 1: do you you take a stab? Or is there a

1309
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:05,640
Speaker 1: totally different approach you have for late season warm or

1310
01:11:05,680 --> 01:11:13,240
Speaker 1: mild weather temperature hunts? Uh? I mean, when you're running

1311
01:11:13,240 --> 01:11:15,759
Speaker 1: out of time, you wanted to try and still take stabs.

1312
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:18,559
Speaker 1: But um, I would say, if you're looking at the

1313
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:21,519
Speaker 1: forecast and and all it is is warm from you

1314
01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:24,800
Speaker 1: know now until the end of the season, you gotta

1315
01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:28,160
Speaker 1: do something. And I mean if if if I was

1316
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:31,639
Speaker 1: in that situation, I would probably consider maybe hunting off

1317
01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:35,320
Speaker 1: the food a little bit closer to the bedding um

1318
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:39,320
Speaker 1: and trying to catch some deer maybe when they're getting

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01:11:39,479 --> 01:11:42,400
Speaker 1: up out of their bed um, you know, right at

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01:11:42,479 --> 01:11:45,280
Speaker 1: last light, since they're since they're not going to be

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01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:46,720
Speaker 1: getting up you know a a little bit sooner with this

1322
01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:50,120
Speaker 1: with those like those when those cold sunds come through. Um,

1323
01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:52,000
Speaker 1: I mean typically most your deer probably not going to

1324
01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:54,479
Speaker 1: be getting out of bed, so the last ten fifteen

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01:11:54,479 --> 01:11:57,000
Speaker 1: minutes of shooting light. So I would say if if

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01:11:57,000 --> 01:11:59,439
Speaker 1: it was it was me, you know, trying to press

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01:11:59,479 --> 01:12:02,800
Speaker 1: in a little bit more, hunt off the food would

1328
01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:07,320
Speaker 1: be one thing that you could do. Um Or, like

1329
01:12:07,360 --> 01:12:10,000
Speaker 1: I said, you know earlier, going going back to a

1330
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:14,320
Speaker 1: green food source might be something we're considering. What about you, Brian,

1331
01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:20,960
Speaker 1: warm weather, If time's sticking and like there's literally no

1332
01:12:21,160 --> 01:12:24,840
Speaker 1: cold weather until the end of season, I would I

1333
01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:28,200
Speaker 1: would say, yeah, get aggressive and and press them closer

1334
01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:30,360
Speaker 1: to bedding, trying to get them, you know, right when

1335
01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:34,320
Speaker 1: they're standing up out of their bed um. But if

1336
01:12:34,360 --> 01:12:37,000
Speaker 1: it's warm and there's any chance of a cold front,

1337
01:12:37,400 --> 01:12:40,400
Speaker 1: I will I will sit out for a week just

1338
01:12:40,479 --> 01:12:42,639
Speaker 1: to hunt one day, even if it's the last day

1339
01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:45,680
Speaker 1: of the season. I'd sit out the entire week to

1340
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:49,120
Speaker 1: hunt one cold front versus trying to add you know,

1341
01:12:49,200 --> 01:12:53,280
Speaker 1: trying to get in tight and educating the deer and

1342
01:12:53,320 --> 01:12:55,400
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden the cold front comes and

1343
01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:59,680
Speaker 1: you already blew it. So if there's no chance of

1344
01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:01,400
Speaker 1: a cold front, for the rest of the season. Yeah,

1345
01:13:01,439 --> 01:13:04,240
Speaker 1: I would get aggressive. But if there's any chance of

1346
01:13:04,240 --> 01:13:06,800
Speaker 1: a cold front happening, even if it's the last day

1347
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:10,040
Speaker 1: of the season, I'm waiting for it. Yeah, I would

1348
01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:13,840
Speaker 1: agree with that. To this. Perfect example for that is

1349
01:13:14,479 --> 01:13:17,920
Speaker 1: last year here in Iowa, I sat out the first

1350
01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:21,160
Speaker 1: ten days I think it was the muzzleloader season, just

1351
01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:24,400
Speaker 1: because the weather. The temperatures were in the highs, in

1352
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:26,720
Speaker 1: the forties, and you know, you could see in the

1353
01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:29,800
Speaker 1: extended forecast, you know, right around New Year's we were

1354
01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:33,080
Speaker 1: supposed to get a temp drop below zero. So I mean,

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01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:36,439
Speaker 1: I knew, you know, if I just was patient that

1356
01:13:37,280 --> 01:13:39,320
Speaker 1: it was you know, it was being patient was going

1357
01:13:39,400 --> 01:13:43,479
Speaker 1: to reward UM in the long run. So sometimes sitting

1358
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:47,040
Speaker 1: out is not, you know, not a bad thing. Always

1359
01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:49,559
Speaker 1: easier sudden and done sometimes for those that of us

1360
01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:51,640
Speaker 1: that are eager to get out and hunt. But like

1361
01:13:51,680 --> 01:13:54,840
Speaker 1: you said, you usually pays off UM, or at least

1362
01:13:55,400 --> 01:13:57,120
Speaker 1: we'll pay off ever once in a while enough to

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01:13:57,160 --> 01:14:02,280
Speaker 1: make it worth being patient. UM. Alright, guys, I got

1364
01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:06,280
Speaker 1: two quick last questions before sending you on your way

1365
01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:12,559
Speaker 1: to your next hunting destination. UM. Late season tricks for

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01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:16,400
Speaker 1: staying warm Mike, you already mentioned the hot pad thing

1367
01:14:16,479 --> 01:14:19,200
Speaker 1: underneath your feet. Is there any other things you do

1368
01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:23,160
Speaker 1: to handle those super cold late season days, whether it's

1369
01:14:23,200 --> 01:14:27,599
Speaker 1: with your clothing or any other gear things you take

1370
01:14:27,640 --> 01:14:30,599
Speaker 1: with you, or anything else to just weather those coldest days.

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01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:36,360
Speaker 1: I'll let you start, Mike. UM. I'm a huge fan

1372
01:14:36,439 --> 01:14:42,400
Speaker 1: of he did um heated socks. I I have in

1373
01:14:42,520 --> 01:14:45,040
Speaker 1: my first lighting off, I always have a one of

1374
01:14:45,040 --> 01:14:50,240
Speaker 1: those battery powdered powered hand warmers. UM. I pretty much

1375
01:14:50,280 --> 01:14:54,479
Speaker 1: switched completely off of using any sort of UM handwarmers UM,

1376
01:14:54,479 --> 01:14:59,760
Speaker 1: like your your grabbers or or hot hands. The last

1377
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:02,519
Speaker 1: couple years, I went, you know, straight to using any

1378
01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:06,679
Speaker 1: any sort of battery powered stuff. UM. It just seems

1379
01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:10,680
Speaker 1: to last longer, UM and in the long run, it's

1380
01:15:10,680 --> 01:15:13,680
Speaker 1: a little bit more cost effective. UM. One of the

1381
01:15:13,680 --> 01:15:15,759
Speaker 1: things that I started using a lot this year too,

1382
01:15:16,479 --> 01:15:19,559
Speaker 1: UM was we started working in the company called hyper Heat,

1383
01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:23,080
Speaker 1: and they make a heated seat UM that you can

1384
01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:25,679
Speaker 1: put on your tree stand or on you know seat

1385
01:15:25,720 --> 01:15:28,960
Speaker 1: the ground blind UM. We used. I used it in

1386
01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:32,600
Speaker 1: that sit uh, in that situation, but also when it

1387
01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:35,360
Speaker 1: got really cold here during the rut. It comes with

1388
01:15:35,680 --> 01:15:40,439
Speaker 1: a strap that can actually latch onto your latch onto

1389
01:15:40,479 --> 01:15:43,040
Speaker 1: your stand, but it will also vote on your waist.

1390
01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:45,800
Speaker 1: So I actually, when it got really cold, clipped it

1391
01:15:45,880 --> 01:15:48,599
Speaker 1: on um and put the heated side on the back

1392
01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:51,719
Speaker 1: side where my kidneys were, And I actually was heating

1393
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:55,679
Speaker 1: my back with that um through some of these colder

1394
01:15:55,680 --> 01:15:57,680
Speaker 1: sits during the rout I plan on doing that as

1395
01:15:57,680 --> 01:16:02,400
Speaker 1: well during the late season months. Um. From a gear

1396
01:16:02,840 --> 01:16:05,080
Speaker 1: gear side of things, I always wear a neck get

1397
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:08,960
Speaker 1: um pretty much from mid November to to the end

1398
01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:12,240
Speaker 1: of season. Uh. It can really save on wind burn

1399
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:17,719
Speaker 1: on your face and uh and just from your lips

1400
01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:22,000
Speaker 1: and everything else chapping up. Ah. I would say that

1401
01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:25,760
Speaker 1: that's one of my one of my favorite pieces to

1402
01:16:25,880 --> 01:16:30,280
Speaker 1: use in the late season months. M Yeah, what about

1403
01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:36,519
Speaker 1: you brandan I am opposite of Mike. I buy stock

1404
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:40,000
Speaker 1: in Hot Hands for late Jesus, I get all the

1405
01:16:40,080 --> 01:16:43,799
Speaker 1: adhesive like I'll buy the full the full feet ones,

1406
01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:47,400
Speaker 1: and I'll wear up, you know, a normal pair of socks.

1407
01:16:47,439 --> 01:16:50,240
Speaker 1: Then I'll put the hot hand foot warmers you know,

1408
01:16:50,439 --> 01:16:53,519
Speaker 1: in between that and a pair of wool socks. I'll

1409
01:16:53,560 --> 01:16:56,759
Speaker 1: put Hot Hands on my pretty much on my thighs,

1410
01:16:56,800 --> 01:16:59,920
Speaker 1: on my kid knees, on my shoulder blades. I've always

1411
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:02,040
Speaker 1: I like four to six of them stuffed in my

1412
01:17:02,120 --> 01:17:05,360
Speaker 1: hand muff um we Like Mike said, I think a

1413
01:17:05,439 --> 01:17:10,439
Speaker 1: neck gator is invaluable in the late season because keeps

1414
01:17:10,439 --> 01:17:12,280
Speaker 1: a lot of cold air going in and out of

1415
01:17:12,320 --> 01:17:17,200
Speaker 1: your your top um. And one other thing is I

1416
01:17:17,240 --> 01:17:20,679
Speaker 1: will always carry my heavy bass layers to the blind

1417
01:17:21,320 --> 01:17:24,600
Speaker 1: and then put it on, versus trying to waddle in

1418
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:27,200
Speaker 1: there like Ralphie from the Christmas Story and getting all

1419
01:17:27,200 --> 01:17:31,000
Speaker 1: sweated up, and because once you get sweaty, you're screwed.

1420
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:35,479
Speaker 1: So I feel like, you know, carrying in your top

1421
01:17:35,560 --> 01:17:40,200
Speaker 1: layers is key. You know, go in there. You might

1422
01:17:40,240 --> 01:17:42,599
Speaker 1: be a little cold on the walk in, but it's

1423
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:47,000
Speaker 1: better than getting sweaty and then freezing once you sit down. Yep,

1424
01:17:47,880 --> 01:17:50,240
Speaker 1: I have to agree with that. I've been there and

1425
01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:54,800
Speaker 1: always better to go that route. Uh well, guys, I

1426
01:17:55,360 --> 01:17:59,960
Speaker 1: do feel um, I do feel maybe a little bit

1427
01:18:00,200 --> 01:18:05,000
Speaker 1: more excited about the upcoming weeks, like I felt relatively

1428
01:18:05,040 --> 01:18:07,479
Speaker 1: confident coming into my late season. I feel like I

1429
01:18:07,560 --> 01:18:09,920
Speaker 1: got a couple more hot tips now to take into

1430
01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:13,680
Speaker 1: the woods. So thank you for that. Uh, coul, What

1431
01:18:13,800 --> 01:18:16,320
Speaker 1: do you give me a grundown or give us a

1432
01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:19,880
Speaker 1: rundown of where we can see everything you've got going on,

1433
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:21,640
Speaker 1: where we can follow along with how your hunts are

1434
01:18:21,680 --> 01:18:24,320
Speaker 1: going now, where we can see your you know, past

1435
01:18:24,439 --> 01:18:27,080
Speaker 1: hunts and videos of all that kind of stuff. Brennan,

1436
01:18:27,080 --> 01:18:31,040
Speaker 1: can you can you maybe walk us through some of that. Yeah,

1437
01:18:31,080 --> 01:18:34,599
Speaker 1: So we are in the middle of producing our tenth

1438
01:18:34,680 --> 01:18:37,639
Speaker 1: season of The Breaking Point. I'm gonna say the best

1439
01:18:37,640 --> 01:18:41,880
Speaker 1: place to find us right now is on YouTube. UM.

1440
01:18:41,960 --> 01:18:45,760
Speaker 1: The main show comes out every year. We usually start

1441
01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:50,280
Speaker 1: dropping new episodes in uh late summer, typically in August,

1442
01:18:50,920 --> 01:18:55,360
Speaker 1: and UM this year Mike and specially put together fourteen

1443
01:18:55,600 --> 01:18:59,280
Speaker 1: new episodes there, and then we have a semi live

1444
01:18:59,680 --> 01:19:03,160
Speaker 1: see reas which Aaron does all the editing for those

1445
01:19:03,240 --> 01:19:07,400
Speaker 1: come out every Sunday all year long and new to

1446
01:19:07,479 --> 01:19:09,479
Speaker 1: the channel. This year, we were doing what we call

1447
01:19:09,640 --> 01:19:12,080
Speaker 1: RUT Live and that was just uh, it was a

1448
01:19:12,160 --> 01:19:16,800
Speaker 1: six week program, um Mike's it was kind of Mike's baby,

1449
01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:19,720
Speaker 1: but we had two in studio hosts and then we

1450
01:19:19,720 --> 01:19:23,280
Speaker 1: were running three to four live units every Saturday and

1451
01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:27,080
Speaker 1: we would have live hunting broadcasting right to our YouTube channel.

1452
01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:29,599
Speaker 1: So that was kind of cool. Um, that's something we're

1453
01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:31,640
Speaker 1: definitely going to continue to do in the future and

1454
01:19:31,720 --> 01:19:34,720
Speaker 1: something that we're really excited about. But yeah, this check

1455
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:37,439
Speaker 1: us out on YouTube is probably the best way to

1456
01:19:37,479 --> 01:19:40,439
Speaker 1: find us. To search the Breaking Point TV and you

1457
01:19:40,479 --> 01:19:44,200
Speaker 1: can find every video that we have ever put out. Man,

1458
01:19:44,439 --> 01:19:48,200
Speaker 1: I love it's good stuff. I've been watching it. I

1459
01:19:48,200 --> 01:19:50,400
Speaker 1: I got a kick out of seeing my buddy further

1460
01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:53,000
Speaker 1: join you guys last year for that hunt. That seemed

1461
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:55,000
Speaker 1: like it was a really good time. I'm glad he

1462
01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:58,479
Speaker 1: got redemption there in the late season two. Um, so

1463
01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:00,560
Speaker 1: thanks for taking good care of him putting them on

1464
01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:06,639
Speaker 1: the bucks. And yeah, I guys, keep up the good work. Mike,

1465
01:20:06,760 --> 01:20:08,679
Speaker 1: Is there anything else you will want to add before

1466
01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:12,280
Speaker 1: I let you guys hit the rope? No, I think

1467
01:20:12,320 --> 01:20:16,000
Speaker 1: I think we touched it all. Awesome, well, Brennan Michael,

1468
01:20:16,200 --> 01:20:18,960
Speaker 1: appreciate time go kill some late season bucks now, all right,

1469
01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:24,840
Speaker 1: appreciate all right, that's a rap. Appreciate you listening, Thank

1470
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:27,240
Speaker 1: you for tuning in, Thanks for being a part of

1471
01:20:27,240 --> 01:20:29,960
Speaker 1: this Wired Dhunt community. It's been a fun season, guys.

1472
01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:33,200
Speaker 1: I've I've loved sharing ever madeute of it with you.

1473
01:20:33,880 --> 01:20:37,720
Speaker 1: I've really really appreciate the notes the Instagram messages, the

1474
01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:41,519
Speaker 1: emails um telling me about how the podcast has helped

1475
01:20:41,640 --> 01:20:44,840
Speaker 1: or how the Wire Dunk website or YouTube videos, um,

1476
01:20:44,920 --> 01:20:47,519
Speaker 1: how all the different projects we're doing are either keeping

1477
01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:50,599
Speaker 1: the entertained or sharing you know, some kind of lesson

1478
01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:52,600
Speaker 1: with you that's helped you kill a deer have a

1479
01:20:52,600 --> 01:20:56,160
Speaker 1: better hunting season. Means the world to know that you

1480
01:20:56,200 --> 01:20:59,439
Speaker 1: know this is helping you out. So appreciate you'all. I

1481
01:20:59,479 --> 01:21:02,360
Speaker 1: hope you're in a fun season. Keep getting after it.

1482
01:21:02,720 --> 01:21:05,880
Speaker 1: There's still time. Don't throw in the towel yet. Don't

1483
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:09,160
Speaker 1: give up yet. You can still get it done. Enjoy

1484
01:21:09,240 --> 01:21:11,040
Speaker 1: this hunting season while we still got it, because I

1485
01:21:11,080 --> 01:21:13,599
Speaker 1: guarantee you in a couple of months when season's closed,

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Speaker 1: we're all gonna be wondering and waiting and hoping for

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Speaker 1: that opening day again soon too. So enjoy and until

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Speaker 1: next time, stay Wired to Hunt.