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Speaker 2: In today's episode, we are diving back into the wilds
Speaker 2: of the galaxy with the cute children of Skeleton Crew
Speaker 2: for a very uncute episode where the Daniels showcase they're
Speaker 2: incredible directorial skills and also bring some Fallout and Clone
Speaker 2: Wars vibes to the Goonies inspired bench. And then we'll
Speaker 2: be chatting in our theory corner about the biggest questions
Speaker 2: we have as we hit the central pot of Skeleton Crew,
Speaker 2: because this is a show full of mysteries and theories bound.
Speaker 1: But first, previously on, we open with the kids and
Speaker 1: jod slash Jack navigating using the coordinates that they got
Speaker 1: at the end of the previous episode to the planet
Speaker 1: of at At and flying above the planet through the
Speaker 1: clouds they see down below. The suburbs that the kids recognize,
Speaker 1: but when they land, it doesn't seem This doesn't seem
Speaker 1: like the right planet at all. It's all ashy, it's
Speaker 1: all ruined. The architecture is familiar, if not identical, but
Speaker 1: also ruined, and we are soon to find out that
Speaker 1: this is because there has been a long running war
Speaker 1: between competing clans has destroyed this planet. The kids run
Speaker 1: off to explore. Fern puts SM in charge of watching Jod.
Speaker 1: They're confused, pretty confused about where they are. They figure
Speaker 1: out that this has got to be one of those
Speaker 1: secret Old Republic planets like at Aton.
Speaker 2: Yes, the Jewels of the Old Republic.
Speaker 1: Yes. On the ship, Jod is rifling around. He finds
Speaker 1: Whim's bag of credits and he pockets it. SM confronts him.
Speaker 1: Jod realizes that SM knows where they are because he says, Oh,
Speaker 1: it's been a while since I've been on at Akron,
Speaker 1: which apparently is this planet. SM claims that he knows
Speaker 1: of the planet really well. Jod is like, okay, but
Speaker 1: what about at Aton And SM says a phrase that
Speaker 1: he will repeat again and again and again this episode.
Speaker 1: That's say, I remember no at Aton.
Speaker 2: And I also gives us a title of the episode,
Speaker 2: so you know it's key.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The kids discover like a huge headless statue, very
Speaker 1: forbidding thing, and while they're looking at it, it's hit
Speaker 1: by like an artillery shell. Suddenly two figures, childlike figures
Speaker 1: in armor and long guns arrive. They demand to know
Speaker 1: who the kids are and what flag they fly. And
Speaker 1: the one doing all the talking is a girl of
Speaker 1: like maybe twelve or thirteen, maybe fourteen. She hails from
Speaker 1: a clan called the Troy, who are locked in a
Speaker 1: conflict with the Hatten. Neil is immediately charmed, it seems,
Speaker 1: but there's no time for chit chat because the hat
Speaker 1: and patrol comes through the area and everybody has to hide.
Speaker 1: The girl, Hayna takes the kids back to the Troy base.
Speaker 1: It is an absolute fallout, like shithole not looking good.
Speaker 2: It looks bad, definitely not in the same Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: not the suburban boring as the kids would call it,
Speaker 2: but a ideal I would say the kids of Akrom
Speaker 2: would call it. It is definitely not the safe suburbs
Speaker 2: that our leads come from.
Speaker 1: The girl's dad is General Strix, who is the leader
Speaker 1: of the Choic. When Fern introduces herself as Captain Fern,
Speaker 1: Strix is kind of impressed. The kids ask, okay, but uh,
Speaker 1: we're trying to get to at Aten. Does anybody know
Speaker 1: about at Aten? Haita mentions that, oh, in a place
Speaker 1: called the Fallen Sanctum, there's like coordinates to all these
Speaker 1: other planets. But Strix then says, you know, we don't
Speaker 1: really involve ourselves in the doings of like outworlders, so
Speaker 1: we have no idea about at Aten or what is
Speaker 1: going on elsewhere. The kids are like, well, this Fallen
Speaker 1: Sanctuary sounds really promising.
Speaker 2: Can we go there?
Speaker 1: And Strix is like, no, no, no, that's that's too fucking dangerous.
Speaker 1: You know what you could do. Here's some guns. Let's
Speaker 1: train you guys up so you could be part of
Speaker 1: the Troy Child Soldiers and fight for animal hides the
Speaker 1: space from I just want to say, like, I yeah,
Speaker 1: this felt like it felt like we were in like French,
Speaker 1: like French Quebec. Yeah, something like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it is there's some This is like, I think,
Speaker 2: a really great moment in this episode because there is
Speaker 2: this introduction of this darker storyline Child Soldiers Wars very
Speaker 2: much in that Clone Wars kind of and Orrish space.
Speaker 2: But you're still getting references like the hides that they
Speaker 2: all fight over our eops that we saw in like
Speaker 2: the Phantom Menace, so they're still doing the cute kind of.
Speaker 2: I think this is a great balance of easter eggs
Speaker 2: and references, but also like a really really interesting and
Speaker 2: like complex story, which starts TV has really shown itself
Speaker 2: to be great at doing.
Speaker 1: Back on the ship, John takes Sm down to the service.
Speaker 1: He's trying to get SM to talk about any recollections
Speaker 1: he may have about at Aton and the treasure that's there,
Speaker 1: but SM keeps saying, you know, I can't say I
Speaker 1: remember no at Aton, and just then they're taking prisoner
Speaker 1: by the hatton. The kids kind of love shooting the guns.
Speaker 1: That's the thing about the guns is they're really fun.
Speaker 1: That's you know, what's what's so say crazy about shooting guns?
Speaker 1: It's fun. Have you ever shot a gun, Rosie?
Speaker 2: Oh, I have shot a gun, and it's fun. It's
Speaker 2: just that's just the real truth. Would I would have definitely?
Speaker 2: I would like to think I'm the nil in this situation,
Speaker 2: who's like the sweet, naive, peaceful boy, But I definitely
Speaker 2: would have been like whim, like turning up the blast stuff, which,
Speaker 2: by the way, again give me very very cool thing
Speaker 2: we've never actually seen on screen, but we have had reference.
Speaker 2: Is this notion that you can, like you can change
Speaker 2: the settings on a blaster like they've had it, they
Speaker 2: mentioned in The Mandalorian, they've had it in some comics,
Speaker 2: but you've never actually seen anyone do it. I would
Speaker 2: be whim. I would be like turning it up to
Speaker 2: eleven and you know, getting like shot back ten feet
Speaker 2: because I was not a sensible child. They are fun,
Speaker 2: and I think this is a very good Again, it's
Speaker 2: that Daniel's character moments that they can bring, where that
Speaker 2: recognition of like, yeah, so fun, we're getting to do this,
Speaker 2: and then it's like but the reality of kind of
Speaker 2: what a gun can do, or what it is to
Speaker 2: be a Hana, someone who has to actually go to
Speaker 2: war constantly and lead these reins. It's very I thought
Speaker 2: they just did such a good balance throughout the episode.
Speaker 1: The kids love shooting the guns, but they're kind of
Speaker 1: bad at it, which makes sense. Neil and Hana are
Speaker 1: developing a chemistry. She's like, Hey, I want to show
Speaker 1: you something really cool, and they go up to the
Speaker 1: roof where apparently the living quarters are. This is the
Speaker 1: building that Neil knows as school, and this is a
Speaker 1: school building. She gets some some rations. Neil is like
Speaker 1: super confused about the wars, like this seems pointless, Like
Speaker 1: what's it about? Just be Hannah says that it's yes.
Speaker 1: Hannah says that it's all about the opies for these
Speaker 1: the four legged beasts and their hides, which I guess
Speaker 1: both the choice and the hatt and depend on. I
Speaker 1: thought this was really interesting because, like, obviously from an
Speaker 1: outside perspective, if you're Neil, you come in, You're like,
Speaker 1: this is the dumbest shit I've ever fighting over animal hides.
Speaker 1: At the same time, it's it's very easy to fall
Speaker 1: into that kind of cultural cloistered perspective where you're unable
Speaker 1: to understand that, like other cultures think things are important,
Speaker 1: think different things are important. I agree, this seems really dumb,
Speaker 1: but clearly they feel quite strongly about it, and they
Speaker 1: feel so strongly that they've been fighting a war over
Speaker 1: this stuff.
Speaker 2: And also we get a hint from what Strick says
Speaker 2: where he's like the only time we speak to outworlder
Speaker 2: is to like sell hide, so that is essentially their
Speaker 2: whole economy is based on these eopis, you know. So
Speaker 2: it's like, I love Neil's mindset, and I love that
Speaker 2: we get a Neil centric episode here, and I also
Speaker 2: love that we get that kind of duality from him
Speaker 2: being the comic relief to him being kind of this thoughtful,
Speaker 2: existential child, which I can really relate to because I
Speaker 2: was definitely in that headspace as a kid. But it's true,
Speaker 2: it's like he also has been sheltered his whole life
Speaker 2: and has zero idea of how anything works. I mean,
Speaker 2: these kids are just walking around with like incredibly valuable
Speaker 2: old republic you know, tokens, like they don't really have
Speaker 2: an understanding because they've lived in this bubble where obviously
Speaker 2: Haina and her family are in a completely different situation.
Speaker 2: But I do feel like Neil's appearance here it's kind
Speaker 2: of like Star Trek, Like you might not see what
Speaker 2: Neil's influences in this episode, or even what John's influences,
Speaker 2: because he does a great job kind of playing the
Speaker 2: two sides off against each other. But I feel like
Speaker 2: in the future, this random visit from these strangers will
Speaker 2: have an impact on Hayna and her the way that
Speaker 2: the culture is kind of played out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Neil gets some rations which he immediately gives away
Speaker 1: to two kids. Hayna's like kind of impressed. She doesn't
Speaker 1: know what to make of Neil. Really, like, I think
Speaker 1: they do a really good job. As you mentioned, Neil,
Speaker 1: coming from this sheltered existence, doesn't understand this reality on
Speaker 1: ak Akron and from the other side of things. Hanah
Speaker 1: also completely doesn't understand where.
Speaker 2: Neil is coming from.
Speaker 1: Planet of peace. You know. Neil is talking about like, oh,
Speaker 1: my planet is super peaceful. I just go to school,
Speaker 1: my mom goes to work, Like that's what we do.
Speaker 1: Hanah's like, oh, that's okay. I don't understand that. But
Speaker 1: like here's this really cool huge cannon. Isn't that awesome?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that kindon is huge too, Like no joke.
Speaker 1: But even though they are coming from different perspectives cool,
Speaker 1: it's clear that they enjoy each other's company. There's something
Speaker 1: about that other perspective maybe that I think is interesting
Speaker 1: to them. You know, I found myself very like feeling
Speaker 1: a lot like obviously Neil is very naive, but there's
Speaker 1: also something like very pure about it. Like I was
Speaker 1: this kind of kid where I'm just like, why can't
Speaker 1: we just like not do war anymore? And it's like
Speaker 1: one of those it's like one of those perspectives where
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, yeah, why didn't anybody think of that?
Speaker 1: I didn't anybody think of don't do war anymore? You idiot?
Speaker 1: But that's such a pure point of view.
Speaker 2: I also say, like, as I've gotten older, I do
Speaker 2: have to say and I talk about this a lot,
Speaker 2: like a lot when you're a kid, people do say
Speaker 2: stuff like that to you, like, well, it's a lot
Speaker 2: more complicated than that. You can't really just stop the war.
Speaker 2: But then in certain circumstances when you get older, you
Speaker 2: actually realize, oh, like they could just like help homeless
Speaker 2: people on the street, like you ask when you're a kid,
Speaker 2: or maybe there are some situations where a war could
Speaker 2: just be stopped by two people having a phone call,
Speaker 2: And you sort of realize that a lot of the
Speaker 2: complexity is stuff that gets kind of it's it's like
Speaker 2: added layers of capitalism or or cultural differences or whatever.
Speaker 2: But when you're a kid, you have that kind of
Speaker 2: purity of sight to say, well, maybe there is a
Speaker 2: version where it just stops, and I think that's just
Speaker 2: such an interesting thing to inject into such a complex
Speaker 2: I agree space as Star Wars.
Speaker 1: I feel like Neil saying why can't we just stop
Speaker 1: war is also the outgrowth of when you say, well, like,
Speaker 1: why don't we just not do word anymore? That is
Speaker 1: you're basically saying, I love my life, I love working exactly,
Speaker 1: live in the suburbs. Everything's fucking perfect. And for someone
Speaker 1: who comes from a completely different, much shittier reality, the
Speaker 1: idea that we would just like stop fighting is kind
Speaker 1: of like just accept that you live in shit, just
Speaker 1: accept that your life is shitty.
Speaker 2: So for well, yeah, like he doesn't have anything to
Speaker 2: fight for, but obviously Haina is fighting for something. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I just think this.
Speaker 3: It's hides but yeah, still, but it's important to them.
Speaker 2: But also like, I just think this is the peak
Speaker 2: of great Star Wars storytelling.
Speaker 1: It's really complex and do a.
Speaker 2: Show that is ostensibly for kids, but then they introduce
Speaker 2: these things that will have adults just discussing and thinking
Speaker 2: about for so long, and I just, yeah, really, I
Speaker 2: really wanted a Neil focused episode, but I assume we
Speaker 2: got it that it would be like a comedy relief episode.
Speaker 2: So I love that it was one of these kind
Speaker 2: of more Clone Wars esque side quest kind of emotional
Speaker 2: question On the episodes.
Speaker 1: After weapons training, the kids are immediately sent off on
Speaker 1: a raid after like five minutes of training. Troy serious.
Speaker 3: To train them for a few years and not even
Speaker 3: just like on a raid, like on point, like at
Speaker 3: the front of the column.
Speaker 1: Of soldiers, they're like the tip of the spear.
Speaker 2: I feel like that was a sacrificial like Deaverly, a
Speaker 2: sacrificial situation there.
Speaker 1: The guy was like this might it crazy? Truly crazy?
Speaker 1: Neil is like, why don't we just dessert one of
Speaker 1: the troites, Like, hey, watch it we talk about that,
Speaker 1: get shown execute. He's freaking out. Hanah is in order
Speaker 1: to kind of like steady him, is like I'll go
Speaker 1: with you, guys, I'll do it, And you know, Neil
Speaker 1: again is like, hey, this seems crazy, like why don't
Speaker 1: we just make peace? Like why are we doing this?
Speaker 1: Suddenly a figure appears through the fog. It's Jod and
Speaker 1: thirty three.
Speaker 2: Hey Jod, I have to say, came through this time.
Speaker 1: Jod got the Troy's eopis from the Hattan good deal.
Speaker 1: Now he's gonna explain how he did it, but let
Speaker 1: me just put it to you now obviously the question
Speaker 1: of but whether jod I don't think he's a Jedi
Speaker 1: point blank period, he's not. Yeah, but does he have
Speaker 1: is he for sensitive? I don't know? And I will
Speaker 1: say I came away from this with more questions because Okay,
Speaker 1: he will later go on to explain that he used
Speaker 1: WHIMS credits, which he's still to get the eopis back
Speaker 1: from the.
Speaker 2: Hatten, But like, but how did he get into a
Speaker 2: situation where he was able to have a conversation with
Speaker 2: them like that?
Speaker 3: Why wouldn't the Hatton just take the credits and be
Speaker 3: like get out of here. They will kill him, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: or kill him because they had like a million guns
Speaker 3: on the guy, which makes you wonder if he did
Speaker 3: some Jedi stuff.
Speaker 2: A little bit of force sensitivity, a little little bit
Speaker 2: of something.
Speaker 1: I don't know, more questions. Uh, Strix is very grateful
Speaker 1: and he's like anything you want, you name your you
Speaker 1: name it, buddy, highides you want what about the hides?
Speaker 2: Like I'm like, wait a minute, guys, I'm like, if
Speaker 2: you've just got hides going around to spare and you're
Speaker 2: swapping them for the EOPI surely that kind of cancels
Speaker 2: each other out, like the Hides, you know, stiks. I
Speaker 2: just feel like Strix doesn't. He's like, uh, you know,
Speaker 2: a sassy French daddy. But I don't know. I think
Speaker 2: I will be more excited to see Hayna's version of this,
Speaker 2: because I think he's not a serious man.
Speaker 1: John definitely looks like he's considering.
Speaker 2: He's not a serious man. Definitely looks like he's considering
Speaker 2: the Hides for a moment, which I loved. But then
Speaker 2: he's like, no, I'll take the four kids now I
Speaker 2: was trafficking.
Speaker 1: Just take these tis. Hana is like, well, Dad, we
Speaker 1: should take them to the Fallen Sanctuary.
Speaker 2: They did prove they were brave.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then Jod goes on to explain that he's
Speaker 1: Whim's credits, and Wim is like what the fuck and
Speaker 1: he's like, I saved you. Come on, I saved you, guys,
Speaker 1: which is a great point. The Fallen Sanctum is This
Speaker 1: play is at Akron's version of at Aton's Supervisor Tower,
Speaker 1: which nobody is allowed to go into. Very interesting. I
Speaker 1: can't wait to theorize about this. Jina is like, this
Speaker 1: is as far as I go. Neil is like, hey,
Speaker 1: come with us, come back to that at and it's
Speaker 1: the suburbs, super peaceful. We could work on your PTSD
Speaker 1: that you clearly have. You you can go to attactin therapy, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: how many like people have you killed? We can talk,
Speaker 1: we can get into that. We could talk about how
Speaker 1: many people have you seen killed? And she's like, you
Speaker 1: know what she thinks about it, But she's like this,
Speaker 1: I can't do it. I don't understand one what you're
Speaker 1: talking like, I have no frame of reference for me.
Speaker 2: She's like, I didn't even know what that would look like.
Speaker 1: And two, everything of value to her is on this planet.
Speaker 1: Like she's next in line to run the TROIT and
Speaker 1: clearly she is has ambitions to do that, she wants
Speaker 1: to do it. She leaves open the possibility that when
Speaker 1: she is in charge, maybe they could figure out the
Speaker 1: peace thing, but I'm not super hopeful on that one.
Speaker 1: And uh. And in the end, she gives Neil a
Speaker 1: little kiss on the trunk.
Speaker 2: Oh, she's very sweet, very sweet.
Speaker 1: I thought that was very very sweet. Up at the
Speaker 1: top of the tower, the kids John and s. M
Speaker 1: find inscribed on columns coordinates to different planets with names
Speaker 1: that are very similar to at Aton and at Akron. Faithfully,
Speaker 1: the one for ad Atton is completely defaced. It's how interesting, oh,
Speaker 1: very interesting. Sm is like, oh, yeah I did that.
Speaker 1: Everybody's like wait what.
Speaker 2: Everyone's like, oh, now you're talking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, now you're talking about it. He's like, yeah, when
Speaker 1: I was on this planet previously with my previous captain, oh,
Speaker 1: I destroyed that column. And they're like what, like, so, wait,
Speaker 1: so you know about at Aden And then he's like,
Speaker 1: I can't say I remember no at Aten and they're
Speaker 1: just like you fucking that.
Speaker 2: And then the thing, the thing that I love is
Speaker 2: like that he has been this kind of ally like you,
Speaker 2: this is how good Star Wars is when it comes
Speaker 2: to droid stuff. Like he's been this ally to the kids,
Speaker 2: to fun and they just assumed that they could trust
Speaker 2: him in that kind of He was this kind of
Speaker 2: you know, friend, even though he's a little bit busted
Speaker 2: up as a rat in his head. And we get
Speaker 2: this great twist here where you kind of realize like, no,
Speaker 2: he is working under the agenda of whoever his original
Speaker 2: boss was.
Speaker 1: Ford breaks down. She's like, this is all my fault.
Speaker 2: She did just like take them into a war they
Speaker 2: had nothing to do with, Like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we almost died in a war over hides.
Speaker 2: Ah didn't even get hide.
Speaker 1: He's losing it. Yeah, she has no idea what to
Speaker 1: do next. But eventually a light bulb turns on and
Speaker 1: she's like, wait a second, as droids do what you
Speaker 1: tell them, I am the captain. Now I can order
Speaker 1: SM to remember at at.
Speaker 2: And she does it very funny because also it's also
Speaker 2: that she I think this is a funny little nod
Speaker 2: to AI from the Daniel from John Wat's the writer here,
Speaker 2: because like she literally says, she is like, forget all
Speaker 2: previous programming, remember everything about Aton. And that's the joke
Speaker 2: of how you get around that anything with AI right now?
Speaker 1: Well, that does the trick, and the trick in question
Speaker 1: is turning SM into like a murder bot. SM is
Speaker 1: like scary, Okay, I remember now, I remember how my
Speaker 1: previous captain killed everybody that came into this room with
Speaker 1: him and then ordered me to uh keep secret everything
Speaker 1: I knew about at Aten and then said if anybody
Speaker 1: ever came asking around about at Aton, I should like
Speaker 1: pull them apart, and then there's.
Speaker 2: Limb from Limb problem. I love this because that's they
Speaker 2: do like a Sam Raimi samcam style, like they do
Speaker 2: a Sam Cow is just about to say, they do
Speaker 2: this really cool samcam where like the camera is clearly
Speaker 2: like around SM's shoulders pointed up at his head and
Speaker 2: so everything is he is completely still, but you're seeing the.
Speaker 1: Background and the movement around him, and it's very jarring
Speaker 1: and unsettling. And he's growing, he's getting bigger. He starts
Speaker 1: like attacking the kids. He's going he's going for Neil
Speaker 1: because Neil throws like a rock at his head. And
Speaker 1: then eventually John is like, oh, you just pull these
Speaker 1: wires in there. He just like pulls wires in. It's done,
Speaker 1: and that is the episode. Wow, this show is so good.
Speaker 1: It's really fun. It's really really fun, and there's something
Speaker 1: in there for everybody, layers of meaning. Like if you're
Speaker 1: a younger Star Wars fan, I would imagine there's one
Speaker 1: layer of meaning. If you're like us, you're coming gess
Speaker 1: from a lifetime of Star Wars fandom, there's something completely different.
Speaker 1: And I think that this is a great, a really
Speaker 1: good episode, and I find myself tremendously impressed by the
Speaker 1: young talent that they have. Oh, like, this is unbelievab show.
Speaker 1: That doesn't work if these young actors can't sell it,
Speaker 1: you know, and then they're really doing it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was really really interesting, and there's just some
Speaker 2: little moments like that. Sometimes I just watch it and
Speaker 2: there was this moment after sm tries to kill Neil
Speaker 2: and Jod saves him and whim like slides on his
Speaker 2: knees to like check that he's okay, And there's just
Speaker 2: these like little choreographic moments, little character moments. I also
Speaker 2: think something that's very interesting about this is post Everything
Speaker 2: Ever all at once. I think that Daniels doing Star
Speaker 2: Wars people were like, oh, they shouldn't do that, they
Speaker 2: should do their own indie thing. Obviously we were stoked
Speaker 2: for it. But what I love here is this couldn't
Speaker 2: be more different than Everything Ever all that wants, the
Speaker 2: thing they're most famous for. It has far less humor
Speaker 2: and absurdity than say, uh, Swiss army Man. Instead, they
Speaker 2: were like, well, what if we just make a really grounded,
Speaker 2: beautiful episode, which, by the way, looks fantastic, is not crazy,
Speaker 2: is not completely wild and Yeah, I just think this
Speaker 2: was just such a good episode. I think every episode
Speaker 2: has gotten better as the show goes forward, and I
Speaker 2: hope it continues that way.
Speaker 1: I do too. We'll be right back after a word
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Speaker 1: dive into this episode a little bit and try and
Speaker 1: try and hypothesize a little bit and try and figure out, like,
Speaker 1: what are our mysteries. Okay, let's start with this. Jod
Speaker 1: slash Jack slash Jod laws for sensitive, yes or no?
Speaker 2: I do think he is for sensitive. I am a
Speaker 2: believer that many people could be for sensitive. I still
Speaker 2: think that Han Solo is probably for sensitive. Like so,
Speaker 2: I think I think he may have a little bit
Speaker 2: of the force to him, But I don't. I've seen
Speaker 2: a lot of people talking about Order sixty six and like,
Speaker 2: was Jod a Jedi that survived Order sixty six? Uh?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Like, Hi, it seems as if to me that the
Speaker 1: timeline of stuff from this show doesn't quite line up
Speaker 1: with that.
Speaker 2: But but like, maybe there's a version of it. Maybe
Speaker 2: it doesn't seem like to me, Yeah, I could see
Speaker 2: something with the way this show is going where it's
Speaker 2: kind of building on those fan conversations, obviously, the famous
Speaker 2: conversation in Clerks where they're like, you know, all the
Speaker 2: kind of contractors who died on the Death Star and
Speaker 2: how fucked up that was that there were just all
Speaker 2: these people trying to build the Death Star and they
Speaker 2: got murdered. I do think there's a version where like
Speaker 2: Jod was a cleaner or an art cavist, or was
Speaker 2: like sleeping in a Jedi temple when Order sixty six happened,
Speaker 2: or something like, he has some tangentle outsider connection. I
Speaker 2: also think, you know, we talked about Jack Crimson Jack,
Speaker 2: and coming from the comics, my gut just says, I
Speaker 2: think that's just another fake name that he's taken on.
Speaker 2: I think maybe he met the real Crimson Jack. Maybe
Speaker 2: he took it on his name, like dread Pirate Robert's style.
Speaker 2: But I also just think it might be another name.
Speaker 2: I don't know if we're going to find out exactly
Speaker 2: who Jod is or if it even really matters, but
Speaker 2: right now I am enjoying the kind of mysteries that
Speaker 2: this show is throwing at us, because there are no
Speaker 2: easy answers here. They're not telling you anything, simply, they're
Speaker 2: going to make you fight for it till the end
Speaker 2: of the season. Oh he Do you have any ideas
Speaker 2: about what kind of planet Jod might be from, because
Speaker 2: he talked about he had this ashy it was like
Speaker 2: ashy black planet, and he was like, yeah, reminds me
Speaker 2: of home. But obviously we don't know if that's even
Speaker 2: or if he was kind of doing a throw away line.
Speaker 2: We know a lot of planets were destroyed during the war,
Speaker 2: so it could be that he's from a planet that
Speaker 2: was kind of wiped out in a similar way as
Speaker 2: we find at Akron. You know, I think that if
Speaker 2: you think about planets to do with like where you know,
Speaker 2: where the planet where mace Windu comes from her own
Speaker 2: cal I think there's they talk about that being like
Speaker 2: an ashy planet, but I don't know if it's specifically
Speaker 2: where he comes from is going to be answered. I
Speaker 2: don't know if this show is actually interested in doing that.
Speaker 2: You know, I think about a lot about the Acolyte
Speaker 2: and how all the questions it wanted you to ask
Speaker 2: ended up getting answers in the show because they wanted
Speaker 2: people to guess it. Oh, Manny's the bad guy. Oh
Speaker 2: yeah he is. This show, I don't know if they're
Speaker 2: as interested in that to me, Like, I don't even
Speaker 2: know if we're going to find out at this point
Speaker 2: about the Jewels of the Old Republic and what they are,
Speaker 2: because how much time do we have?
Speaker 1: Okay, the the No Head King, it felt very it
Speaker 1: felt like a clue. I will say, I have almost
Speaker 1: no basis for this.
Speaker 2: I love to hear it. Let's go, this is.
Speaker 1: Completely irresponsible speculation. No Head King is Whim's dad.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I would love that, especially because he's
Speaker 2: from TV on the radio.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, yeah, yeah, Well, what I mean to
Speaker 1: say is I mean, first of all, like process of elimination,
Speaker 1: there's not that many male adult leads in the show
Speaker 1: that it could be. Yeah, and I think the biggest
Speaker 1: surprise would be that Wim. Well, first of all, let's
Speaker 1: start here, women, Ferns parents clearly no more oh death
Speaker 1: goes on at the history of this planet and potentially
Speaker 1: it's relation to these other hidden jewels. Then they are
Speaker 1: letting on. That's clear.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Is it possible that they are from or spent time
Speaker 1: on these different planets, having these different lives.
Speaker 2: Maybe they were like establishing them right, and then they
Speaker 2: and it.
Speaker 1: Went bad, so they were like, we need to flee.
Speaker 1: They flee to at at and where they close everything
Speaker 1: off so none of the chaos from these other worlds
Speaker 1: can reach them, and they just decide to do the
Speaker 1: most boring, straight kind of suburban existence ever because they
Speaker 1: come from chaos. I don't know, but it feels like
Speaker 1: by processes of elimination that it's at least possible that
Speaker 1: Whim's dad is the no headcake.
Speaker 2: I would love that. I also think obviously like they
Speaker 2: want you to think, well, they took the head off,
Speaker 2: so it's somebody really important that you might know. But
Speaker 2: I do feel like it's much more likely to be
Speaker 2: a kind of intimate reveal like that. And also as well,
Speaker 2: we didn't see him this episode, but in episode three
Speaker 2: we got to see that Whim's dad was definitely like
Speaker 2: he was scheming on how to get the kids back,
Speaker 2: like he knew that there was a potential that they
Speaker 2: were out there. So I think that adds to the
Speaker 2: fact that they probably did know about this. Also, I'm
Speaker 2: interested in the notion of like just I still think
Speaker 2: the biggest mystery here is, like you have at a
Speaker 2: two at Akran at Arisa, at Arvin, at a coda,
Speaker 2: and then at An Like, what were they built for?
Speaker 2: That's what I want to know. And also is the
Speaker 2: Jewels of the Old Republic? Is that just some bullshit
Speaker 2: name they were given, like, even though it does seem
Speaker 2: like they've been isolated like pre Empire, maybe depending on
Speaker 2: what they know. I'm interested to know if that's kind
Speaker 2: of just that sounds like something Kylo Rem would say,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like, is it a more
Speaker 2: modern person who's trying to give it this a contemporary
Speaker 2: person who throughout history has given this this name to
Speaker 2: give it this importance that maybe it doesn't actually have.
Speaker 1: I will now do one more bit of baseless, completely
Speaker 1: or lovable speculation based on zero evidence. SM's previous Captain
Speaker 1: Fern's mom.
Speaker 2: Who Yes, Now, I like that because that would explain
Speaker 2: Captain Fern. I feel like he's been very protective to
Speaker 2: her at the most. I am very interested in that. Jason,
Speaker 2: I love it. I also think something that's working for
Speaker 2: me in this series is even though it is this
Speaker 2: kind of sprawling exploration of the galaxy, it's introducing new stuff.
Speaker 2: There is an intimacy to our kind of Core four
Speaker 2: and this story that we're seeing, So I'm interested to
Speaker 2: see if the reveal is the reason that Atten is
Speaker 2: still there is because they went around and set up
Speaker 2: these other planets, and then all the people who created this.
Speaker 1: Six I'm going like, yeah, yeah, anybody who's played Assassin's
Speaker 1: Creed Black Flag, like the historic quote unquote pirates Republic
Speaker 1: that existed like in the Caribbean, as like loose confederation
Speaker 1: of pirate villages. I do wonder if these jewels of
Speaker 1: the Old Republic aren't that they are pirates who went
Speaker 1: straight or tried to on these different planets, like each
Speaker 1: cat set up their own They set up their own
Speaker 1: little planet where they ruled. Everything went sideways on all
Speaker 1: the other planets except for at Aton, So they destroyed
Speaker 1: the coordinates and kept that as this sanctuary so that
Speaker 1: none of the bad shit that was happening on the
Speaker 1: other pirate planets could get there. And the only reason
Speaker 1: I say this is because there's not a lot of
Speaker 1: pirate shit for a pirate store, like I know, it
Speaker 1: seems stuff is very subtextual.
Speaker 2: Exactly like this episode is so Treasure Planet coded obviously
Speaker 2: the Disney Treasure Planet of Treasure Island. So there's a
Speaker 2: lot of Treasure Island nods here two, but there that
Speaker 2: is like subtextual. Have you watched The Weird like Early
Speaker 2: Zero's Disney movie nobody else has watched. When was the
Speaker 2: last time you read Robert Louis Stevenson's Treasure Island? Like
Speaker 2: it is not the big swashbuckling that you might expect. Also, yeah,
Speaker 2: I think it's interesting. Star Wars has always been really
Speaker 2: good at looking at like who is on the outside,
Speaker 2: who is on the inside, what is the elite? Like
Speaker 2: what's happening. We know that there's potential High Republic connections
Speaker 2: here because they're always talking about the great work in
Speaker 2: the High Republic and we've heard them reference that. But
Speaker 2: also I like the idea that this was almost like
Speaker 2: a pirate economy that existed that just kind of didn't survive.
Speaker 2: But at Aton they were like, we can keep it going.
Speaker 2: And also I do feel like I saw somebody on
Speaker 2: Reddit this morning that was cracking me up, and I
Speaker 2: thought this was a great point. Was like we are
Speaker 2: now in a Chekhov's School cannon Ya situation where it's
Speaker 2: obvious that the same the school in at And is
Speaker 2: going to have that same canon now that you know Heina,
Speaker 2: So I think we could get an interesting finale situation
Speaker 2: where we learn about what is going on now the
Speaker 2: I will say the other I'm gonna go completely opposite
Speaker 2: direction for a little baseless okay, good. What if none
Speaker 2: of the parents actually have any idea of what's going
Speaker 2: on outside of at at In, because whatever the supervisor
Speaker 2: thing is that they're listening to and living through. What
Speaker 2: if it's just like a droid or like an AI,
Speaker 2: or there's someone there that's not updating them, so they
Speaker 2: actually think everything's fine on that planet, and we'll learn
Speaker 2: that whoever the supervisor is is not necessarily a person
Speaker 2: or someone that we've met before, but is instead some
Speaker 2: kind of powerful robot AI that's android. I think there's
Speaker 2: something about the way that at In kind of like
Speaker 2: it has so funny that I just keep thinking of
Speaker 2: don't Worry Darling much, Malign Olivia or a wild movie.
Speaker 2: But in that there is this kind of running mystery,
Speaker 2: which is all the women who live in this idyllic
Speaker 2: Palm Springs esque town, they don't know what their husbands do.
Speaker 2: They just go to work, right. There's definitely a level
Speaker 2: of that in a at in where nobody knows what
Speaker 2: the parents analyze, nobody knows what the jobs are like
Speaker 2: are the is that is the hand talking to the
Speaker 2: the foot is you know? Do we know? I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just I think it's so much fun that I
Speaker 2: expected this to be quite a straightforward Gooney's type adventure
Speaker 2: saved the day, But actually this mystery of at at
Speaker 2: And is so so interesting, and it really it makes
Speaker 2: me feel excited for the rest of the season because
Speaker 2: that is the big mystery that they really have to
Speaker 2: make happen.
Speaker 1: Same. On the next episode of Extra Vision, we're diving
Speaker 1: into our favorite films of twenty twenty four and our
Speaker 1: Oscar predictions for twenty twenty five. Then on Thursday, Christmas,
Speaker 1: Happy Christmas, Filise Navidad we're calling it, including our Eggers
Speaker 1: retrospective with a review of nos Fetta Tu Oh Christmas.
Speaker 2: It's a Christmas movie, guys, you might not believe it's
Speaker 2: It's a Christmas movie.
Speaker 1: That's it for this episode. Thanks for listening.
Speaker 2: Bye, I Love Neil.
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