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Speaker 1: Warning, Today's episode contained spoilers for Skeleton Crew episode four. Hello,

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Speaker 1: my name is Jason Zepsion and I'm Rosy Mike, and

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Speaker 1: welcome back to x reviews of the podcast where we

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Speaker 1: dive deep the dear ravage shows, movies, comics and pop

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Speaker 1: culture coming to you from iHeart Podcast, where we're bringing

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Speaker 1: you three three, three, three episodes a week every Tuesday, Thursday,

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Speaker 1: and extra episode every Wednesday.

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Speaker 2: In today's episode, we are diving back into the wilds

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Speaker 2: of the galaxy with the cute children of Skeleton Crew

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Speaker 2: for a very uncute episode where the Daniels showcase they're

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Speaker 2: incredible directorial skills and also bring some Fallout and Clone

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Speaker 2: Wars vibes to the Goonies inspired bench. And then we'll

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Speaker 2: be chatting in our theory corner about the biggest questions

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Speaker 2: we have as we hit the central pot of Skeleton Crew,

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Speaker 2: because this is a show full of mysteries and theories bound.

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Speaker 1: But first, previously on, we open with the kids and

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Speaker 1: jod slash Jack navigating using the coordinates that they got

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Speaker 1: at the end of the previous episode to the planet

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Speaker 1: of at At and flying above the planet through the

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Speaker 1: clouds they see down below. The suburbs that the kids recognize,

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Speaker 1: but when they land, it doesn't seem This doesn't seem

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Speaker 1: like the right planet at all. It's all ashy, it's

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Speaker 1: all ruined. The architecture is familiar, if not identical, but

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Speaker 1: also ruined, and we are soon to find out that

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Speaker 1: this is because there has been a long running war

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Speaker 1: between competing clans has destroyed this planet. The kids run

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Speaker 1: off to explore. Fern puts SM in charge of watching Jod.

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Speaker 1: They're confused, pretty confused about where they are. They figure

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Speaker 1: secret Old Republic planets like at Aton.

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Speaker 2: Yes, the Jewels of the Old Republic.

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Speaker 1: Yes. On the ship, Jod is rifling around. He finds

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Speaker 1: Whim's bag of credits and he pockets it. SM confronts him.

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Speaker 1: Jod realizes that SM knows where they are because he says, Oh,

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Speaker 1: it's been a while since I've been on at Akron,

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Speaker 1: which apparently is this planet. SM claims that he knows

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Speaker 1: of the planet really well. Jod is like, okay, but

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Speaker 1: what about at Aton And SM says a phrase that

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Speaker 1: he will repeat again and again and again this episode.

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Speaker 1: That's say, I remember no at Aton.

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Speaker 2: And I also gives us a title of the episode,

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Speaker 2: so you know it's key.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. The kids discover like a huge headless statue, very

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Speaker 1: forbidding thing, and while they're looking at it, it's hit

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Speaker 1: by like an artillery shell. Suddenly two figures, childlike figures

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Speaker 1: in armor and long guns arrive. They demand to know

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Speaker 1: who the kids are and what flag they fly. And

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Speaker 1: like maybe twelve or thirteen, maybe fourteen. She hails from

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Speaker 1: a clan called the Troy, who are locked in a

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Speaker 1: conflict with the Hatten. Neil is immediately charmed, it seems,

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Speaker 1: but there's no time for chit chat because the hat

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Speaker 1: and patrol comes through the area and everybody has to hide.

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Speaker 1: The girl, Hayna takes the kids back to the Troy base.

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Speaker 1: It is an absolute fallout, like shithole not looking good.

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Speaker 1: The girl's dad is General Strix, who is the leader

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Speaker 1: And Strix is like, no, no, no, that's that's too fucking dangerous.

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Speaker 1: Back on the ship, John takes Sm down to the service.

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Speaker 1: He's trying to get SM to talk about any recollections

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Speaker 1: It's fun. Have you ever shot a gun, Rosie?

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Speaker 2: Is this notion that you can, like you can change

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Speaker 2: and I think this is a very good Again, it's

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Speaker 1: The kids love shooting the guns, but they're kind of

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Speaker 2: But I do feel like Neil's appearance here it's kind

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Speaker 2: But but like, maybe there's a version of it. Maybe

431
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,400
Speaker 2: it doesn't seem like to me, Yeah, I could see

432
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,400
Speaker 2: something with the way this show is going where it's

433
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 2: kind of building on those fan conversations, obviously, the famous

434
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,359
Speaker 2: conversation in Clerks where they're like, you know, all the

435
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 2: kind of contractors who died on the Death Star and

436
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 2: how fucked up that was that there were just all

437
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 2: these people trying to build the Death Star and they

438
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:56,639
Speaker 2: got murdered. I do think there's a version where like

439
00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 2: Jod was a cleaner or an art cavist, or was

440
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,919
Speaker 2: like sleeping in a Jedi temple when Order sixty six happened,

441
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:09,439
Speaker 2: or something like, he has some tangentle outsider connection. I

442
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 2: also think, you know, we talked about Jack Crimson Jack,

443
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 2: and coming from the comics, my gut just says, I

444
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,439
Speaker 2: think that's just another fake name that he's taken on.

445
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 2: I think maybe he met the real Crimson Jack. Maybe

446
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 2: he took it on his name, like dread Pirate Robert's style.

447
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:27,680
Speaker 2: But I also just think it might be another name.

448
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 2: I don't know if we're going to find out exactly

449
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 2: who Jod is or if it even really matters, but

450
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:37,919
Speaker 2: right now I am enjoying the kind of mysteries that

451
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:39,679
Speaker 2: this show is throwing at us, because there are no

452
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 2: easy answers here. They're not telling you anything, simply, they're

453
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 2: going to make you fight for it till the end

454
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 2: of the season. Oh he Do you have any ideas

455
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 2: about what kind of planet Jod might be from, because

456
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 2: he talked about he had this ashy it was like

457
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 2: ashy black planet, and he was like, yeah, reminds me

458
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 2: of home. But obviously we don't know if that's even

459
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 2: or if he was kind of doing a throw away line.

460
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 2: We know a lot of planets were destroyed during the war,

461
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 2: so it could be that he's from a planet that

462
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 2: was kind of wiped out in a similar way as

463
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 2: we find at Akron. You know, I think that if

464
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 2: you think about planets to do with like where you know,

465
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 2: where the planet where mace Windu comes from her own

466
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 2: cal I think there's they talk about that being like

467
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 2: an ashy planet, but I don't know if it's specifically

468
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 2: where he comes from is going to be answered. I

469
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 2: don't know if this show is actually interested in doing that.

470
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 2: You know, I think about a lot about the Acolyte

471
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 2: and how all the questions it wanted you to ask

472
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 2: ended up getting answers in the show because they wanted

473
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,719
Speaker 2: people to guess it. Oh, Manny's the bad guy. Oh

474
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 2: yeah he is. This show, I don't know if they're

475
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 2: as interested in that to me, Like, I don't even

476
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 2: know if we're going to find out at this point

477
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 2: about the Jewels of the Old Republic and what they are,

478
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,239
Speaker 2: because how much time do we have?

479
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 1: Okay, the the No Head King, it felt very it

480
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 1: felt like a clue. I will say, I have almost

481
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 1: no basis for this.

482
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 2: I love to hear it. Let's go, this is.

483
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 1: Completely irresponsible speculation. No Head King is Whim's dad.

484
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I would love that, especially because he's

485
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 2: from TV on the radio.

486
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 1: So I'm like, yeah, yeah, Well, what I mean to

487
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: say is I mean, first of all, like process of elimination,

488
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 1: there's not that many male adult leads in the show

489
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 1: that it could be. Yeah, and I think the biggest

490
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: surprise would be that Wim. Well, first of all, let's

491
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 1: start here, women, Ferns parents clearly no more oh death

492
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:55,719
Speaker 1: goes on at the history of this planet and potentially

493
00:28:55,720 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 1: it's relation to these other hidden jewels. Then they are

494
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 1: letting on. That's clear.

495
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

496
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 1: Is it possible that they are from or spent time

497
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 1: on these different planets, having these different lives.

498
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 2: Maybe they were like establishing them right, and then they

499
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 2: and it.

500
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: Went bad, so they were like, we need to flee.

501
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: They flee to at at and where they close everything

502
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: off so none of the chaos from these other worlds

503
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: can reach them, and they just decide to do the

504
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: most boring, straight kind of suburban existence ever because they

505
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: come from chaos. I don't know, but it feels like

506
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 1: by processes of elimination that it's at least possible that

507
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: Whim's dad is the no headcake.

508
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 2: I would love that. I also think obviously like they

509
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 2: want you to think, well, they took the head off,

510
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 2: so it's somebody really important that you might know. But

511
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 2: I do feel like it's much more likely to be

512
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 2: a kind of intimate reveal like that. And also as well,

513
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 2: we didn't see him this episode, but in episode three

514
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 2: we got to see that Whim's dad was definitely like

515
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 2: he was scheming on how to get the kids back,

516
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 2: like he knew that there was a potential that they

517
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 2: were out there. So I think that adds to the

518
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 2: fact that they probably did know about this. Also, I'm

519
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 2: interested in the notion of like just I still think

520
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 2: the biggest mystery here is, like you have at a

521
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:30,719
Speaker 2: two at Akran at Arisa, at Arvin, at a coda,

522
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 2: and then at An Like, what were they built for?

523
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 2: That's what I want to know. And also is the

524
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 2: Jewels of the Old Republic? Is that just some bullshit

525
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 2: name they were given, like, even though it does seem

526
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 2: like they've been isolated like pre Empire, maybe depending on

527
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 2: what they know. I'm interested to know if that's kind

528
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 2: of just that sounds like something Kylo Rem would say,

529
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like, is it a more

530
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 2: modern person who's trying to give it this a contemporary

531
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 2: person who throughout history has given this this name to

532
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 2: give it this importance that maybe it doesn't actually have.

533
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: I will now do one more bit of baseless, completely

534
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: or lovable speculation based on zero evidence. SM's previous Captain

535
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: Fern's mom.

536
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 2: Who Yes, Now, I like that because that would explain

537
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 2: Captain Fern. I feel like he's been very protective to

538
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 2: her at the most. I am very interested in that. Jason,

539
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 2: I love it. I also think something that's working for

540
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 2: me in this series is even though it is this

541
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 2: kind of sprawling exploration of the galaxy, it's introducing new stuff.

542
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 2: There is an intimacy to our kind of Core four

543
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 2: and this story that we're seeing, So I'm interested to

544
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 2: see if the reveal is the reason that Atten is

545
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 2: still there is because they went around and set up

546
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 2: these other planets, and then all the people who created this.

547
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: Six I'm going like, yeah, yeah, anybody who's played Assassin's

548
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 1: Creed Black Flag, like the historic quote unquote pirates Republic

549
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 1: that existed like in the Caribbean, as like loose confederation

550
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: of pirate villages. I do wonder if these jewels of

551
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: the Old Republic aren't that they are pirates who went

552
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: straight or tried to on these different planets, like each

553
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: cat set up their own They set up their own

554
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: little planet where they ruled. Everything went sideways on all

555
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: the other planets except for at Aton, So they destroyed

556
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 1: the coordinates and kept that as this sanctuary so that

557
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: none of the bad shit that was happening on the

558
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 1: other pirate planets could get there. And the only reason

559
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: I say this is because there's not a lot of

560
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: pirate shit for a pirate store, like I know, it

561
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: seems stuff is very subtextual.

562
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 2: Exactly like this episode is so Treasure Planet coded obviously

563
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 2: the Disney Treasure Planet of Treasure Island. So there's a

564
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 2: lot of Treasure Island nods here two, but there that

565
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 2: is like subtextual. Have you watched The Weird like Early

566
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 2: Zero's Disney movie nobody else has watched. When was the

567
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 2: last time you read Robert Louis Stevenson's Treasure Island? Like

568
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 2: it is not the big swashbuckling that you might expect. Also, yeah,

569
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 2: I think it's interesting. Star Wars has always been really

570
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 2: good at looking at like who is on the outside,

571
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 2: who is on the inside, what is the elite? Like

572
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 2: what's happening. We know that there's potential High Republic connections

573
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 2: here because they're always talking about the great work in

574
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 2: the High Republic and we've heard them reference that. But

575
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 2: also I like the idea that this was almost like

576
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 2: a pirate economy that existed that just kind of didn't survive.

577
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 2: But at Aton they were like, we can keep it going.

578
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 2: And also I do feel like I saw somebody on

579
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 2: Reddit this morning that was cracking me up, and I

580
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,479
Speaker 2: thought this was a great point. Was like we are

581
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 2: now in a Chekhov's School cannon Ya situation where it's

582
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 2: obvious that the same the school in at And is

583
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 2: going to have that same canon now that you know Heina,

584
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 2: So I think we could get an interesting finale situation

585
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 2: where we learn about what is going on now the

586
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 2: I will say the other I'm gonna go completely opposite

587
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 2: direction for a little baseless okay, good. What if none

588
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:23,839
Speaker 2: of the parents actually have any idea of what's going

589
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 2: on outside of at at In, because whatever the supervisor

590
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 2: thing is that they're listening to and living through. What

591
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 2: if it's just like a droid or like an AI,

592
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 2: or there's someone there that's not updating them, so they

593
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 2: actually think everything's fine on that planet, and we'll learn

594
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:46,760
Speaker 2: that whoever the supervisor is is not necessarily a person

595
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 2: or someone that we've met before, but is instead some

596
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 2: kind of powerful robot AI that's android. I think there's

597
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,399
Speaker 2: something about the way that at In kind of like

598
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:58,800
Speaker 2: it has so funny that I just keep thinking of

599
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 2: don't Worry Darling much, Malign Olivia or a wild movie.

600
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 2: But in that there is this kind of running mystery,

601
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 2: which is all the women who live in this idyllic

602
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 2: Palm Springs esque town, they don't know what their husbands do.

603
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,240
Speaker 2: They just go to work, right. There's definitely a level

604
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 2: of that in a at in where nobody knows what

605
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 2: the parents analyze, nobody knows what the jobs are like

606
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 2: are the is that is the hand talking to the

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00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 2: the foot is you know? Do we know? I don't know.

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00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 2: I just I think it's so much fun that I

609
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 2: expected this to be quite a straightforward Gooney's type adventure

610
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 2: saved the day, But actually this mystery of at at

611
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 2: And is so so interesting, and it really it makes

612
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,280
Speaker 2: me feel excited for the rest of the season because

613
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 2: that is the big mystery that they really have to

614
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 2: make happen.

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Speaker 1: Same. On the next episode of Extra Vision, we're diving

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Speaker 1: into our favorite films of twenty twenty four and our

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Speaker 1: Oscar predictions for twenty twenty five. Then on Thursday, Christmas,

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Speaker 1: Happy Christmas, Filise Navidad we're calling it, including our Eggers

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Speaker 1: retrospective with a review of nos Fetta Tu Oh Christmas.

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Speaker 2: It's a Christmas movie, guys, you might not believe it's

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Speaker 2: It's a Christmas movie.

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Speaker 1: That's it for this episode. Thanks for listening.

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Speaker 2: Bye, I Love Neil.

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Speaker 1: Mia Taylor. Our theme song is by Brian Basquez.

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