WEBVTT - Eric Cole 0:00:06.000 --> 0:00:08.160 Let's see. Son of a Bunch podcast comes to you 0:00:08.200 --> 0:00:11.799 every Wednesday. I'm your host, Claude Harmon. This week's guest 0:00:12.200 --> 0:00:15.560 PJA Tour rookie Eric Cole, came so close to getting 0:00:15.560 --> 0:00:18.880 his first PJA Tour victory at the Honda while losing 0:00:18.920 --> 0:00:22.840 out in a playoff to Chris Kirk. Had a wicked 0:00:22.920 --> 0:00:26.560 lipout on the first playoff hole, but wanted to get 0:00:26.640 --> 0:00:28.800 him on and kind of talk about his journey. Very 0:00:28.880 --> 0:00:31.120 much a late bloomer, he's thirty four years old, but 0:00:31.480 --> 0:00:33.640 I think it's a great opportunity to listen to someone 0:00:33.680 --> 0:00:37.000 who's kind of been through everything that you can kind 0:00:37.000 --> 0:00:38.839 of go through in the game of golf. You know, 0:00:38.880 --> 0:00:42.159 you're trying to play professionally, you're trying to make as 0:00:42.240 --> 0:00:44.640 much money as possible, get off those mini tours, and 0:00:45.040 --> 0:00:48.479 he has managed to do that. Really excited for everyone 0:00:48.479 --> 0:00:51.120 to hear that. But before we get to the interview, 0:00:51.240 --> 0:00:54.240 let's take a moment to talk about Cobra Golf's new 0:00:54.320 --> 0:00:58.400 aerojet driver. I've been with Cobra Puma for a long 0:00:58.440 --> 0:01:01.160 time and huge fan of their products. I think they 0:01:01.160 --> 0:01:03.840 make the best equipment in the game. They've got a 0:01:03.840 --> 0:01:06.840 new Aerojet Driver out. I got it towards the end 0:01:06.880 --> 0:01:09.920 of last year, went straight into my bag. They're three 0:01:09.920 --> 0:01:12.679 different models. 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You can 0:01:45.760 --> 0:01:48.720 check out all three drivers and pick which one is 0:01:48.840 --> 0:01:52.320 right for you at Cobra golf dot com. So a 0:01:52.400 --> 0:01:55.120 big shout out to the Cobra Puma team for their support. 0:01:55.520 --> 0:02:03.000 And now let's get to the interview. So Eric, um, 0:02:03.000 --> 0:02:05.400 it's been a hell of a couple of weeks for you. Um, 0:02:05.480 --> 0:02:07.400 you know you got your PGA Tour card. You miss. 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:10.680 I think the first four cuts in the fall, and 0:02:10.919 --> 0:02:13.679 I mean as a rookie coming off the corn Ferry 0:02:14.080 --> 0:02:17.240 that puts you behind the eight ball early. Did you 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:21.880 feel pressure and I mean did the start kind of 0:02:21.919 --> 0:02:23.960 make you kind of freak out a little or were 0:02:24.000 --> 0:02:26.560 you just like, listen, it's a long season. I know 0:02:26.680 --> 0:02:30.839 my game is good. Um, what's that? What's that start? Like? Yeah, 0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:34.160 you know, I mean it's it's definitely a bigger environment 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:36.960 and everything than the corn Ferry Tour. But you know, 0:02:37.000 --> 0:02:38.640 I even though I missed a lot of those cuts, 0:02:38.639 --> 0:02:40.760 I actually played pretty well. Two of them I missed 0:02:40.760 --> 0:02:45.040 by one, um, and I felt pretty good about my 0:02:45.080 --> 0:02:47.519 game as a whole. I just didn't score all that well. 0:02:47.960 --> 0:02:50.400 And I had a couple like weird things. I had 0:02:50.440 --> 0:02:53.160 COVID for the first tournament in Napa, and then I 0:02:53.240 --> 0:02:57.840 had had my club stolen in Vegas in front of 0:02:57.840 --> 0:03:01.519 the hotel, so back window broken out in clubs just 0:03:01.760 --> 0:03:04.120 jacked right out of the back windows. So you know, 0:03:04.320 --> 0:03:06.720 a couple of weird things like that. But I, like 0:03:06.760 --> 0:03:08.960 I said, I felt good about my game overall, So 0:03:09.000 --> 0:03:11.239 I was kind of just under the mindset that eventually 0:03:11.280 --> 0:03:14.320 the title kind of turn a little bit. That's a 0:03:14.360 --> 0:03:16.720 tough I mean, a rookie on the PGA tour, you're 0:03:16.760 --> 0:03:19.720 trying to play good early your clubs gets so I mean, 0:03:20.680 --> 0:03:22.519 was that during the was that at night? Was that 0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:24.960 in the morning. It was at three pm in the 0:03:25.040 --> 0:03:30.919 afternoon at the JW. Marriott in Vegas in Summerland, So 0:03:30.960 --> 0:03:33.640 it was very unusual. You know, they had some video 0:03:33.639 --> 0:03:38.120 of the guys, you know, breaking into it, but nothing 0:03:38.200 --> 0:03:40.280 ever really came of it with the cops. But I do. 0:03:40.360 --> 0:03:42.560 It's kind of a crazy thing. I had a girl 0:03:42.600 --> 0:03:45.840 messaged me on Instagram like a month or two after 0:03:45.960 --> 0:03:47.800 and she said, I just moved into a new house 0:03:47.840 --> 0:03:51.440 and your clubs are sitting in my garage. So then 0:03:51.840 --> 0:03:53.600 sound like, yeah, you know, I'd like to have him 0:03:53.640 --> 0:03:55.840 if you don't mind. So he drove them from her 0:03:55.880 --> 0:03:59.520 house to TPC Summerland, and then the pro there sent 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:01.320 them to my house. So I actually got him back 0:04:01.800 --> 0:04:05.800 and everything everything was in there except my tour credential 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:09.760 was it was stolen. But so so there's somebody else 0:04:09.840 --> 0:04:13.680 trying to get into family dining with your tour credential potentially, Yeah, 0:04:13.680 --> 0:04:17.279 I might have to have security lookout for them. I mean, 0:04:17.320 --> 0:04:20.320 the story, I mean, it is an amazing story. I mean, 0:04:20.320 --> 0:04:25.200 you're thirty four years old. I mean definitely, um, not 0:04:25.279 --> 0:04:29.440 the norm for PGA Tour rookies. Um, I mean we 0:04:29.480 --> 0:04:32.440 both live in South Florida. The minor league where you 0:04:32.560 --> 0:04:35.120 played a lot fifty how many fifty four wins in 0:04:35.120 --> 0:04:37.600 the minor league. Yeah, I'm not sure exactly what it is. 0:04:37.640 --> 0:04:42.680 I I it's up there somewhere though. Um, that is 0:04:42.680 --> 0:04:45.159 a that is a huge kind of stepping stone for 0:04:45.200 --> 0:04:46.880 a lot of players. I mean, I mean if you 0:04:46.920 --> 0:04:50.359 live in South Florida, Um, a lot of good players 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:53.400 come off that tour. Brooks Kepta his brother played there. 0:04:53.440 --> 0:04:55.800 A bunch of guys, Chrispin Tour has played. I mean, 0:04:55.880 --> 0:05:01.040 guys play that. Um. Obviously there's no substitute for winning, 0:05:01.080 --> 0:05:03.400 and I work with a bunch of you know, kids 0:05:03.440 --> 0:05:06.600 that are on that tour. How important do you feel 0:05:06.640 --> 0:05:10.479 like the minor league has been for your development? I 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:15.160 think it's definitely been important. You know. You you one 0:05:15.200 --> 0:05:17.560 thing about that they do mostly one and two day events, 0:05:17.600 --> 0:05:19.440 and when you play a lot of one and two 0:05:19.480 --> 0:05:23.320 day events, you you have a chance to win a 0:05:23.320 --> 0:05:25.080 lot of tournaments and you kind of get in this 0:05:25.200 --> 0:05:27.680 mindset of you know, they have like a live leader 0:05:27.680 --> 0:05:29.120 board that you can look at and you get in 0:05:29.160 --> 0:05:32.240 this mindset of you know, Okay, I I to win 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:34.600 this tournament, I have to birdie three the last five, 0:05:34.760 --> 0:05:36.880 or I have to birdie the last two or whatever 0:05:36.920 --> 0:05:40.960 it is. And I think just getting that, whether it's 0:05:41.040 --> 0:05:44.479 pressure or you know, expectation on yourself and then kind 0:05:44.520 --> 0:05:47.480 of seeing yourself do it every once in a while, 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:50.320 I think it's really uh it kind of sets you 0:05:50.680 --> 0:05:53.679 set you up well for you know, four day tournaments 0:05:53.760 --> 0:05:55.080 or whether guys are going to go out and do 0:05:55.240 --> 0:05:58.000 Monday qualifiers. Like I think it's really good prep as 0:05:58.000 --> 0:06:00.680 a whole. And golf in South Florida, as you know, 0:06:00.800 --> 0:06:02.880 is really strong. And even though you haven't heard of 0:06:02.920 --> 0:06:05.719 a lot of the guys out there, um, you know, 0:06:05.760 --> 0:06:10.240 there's a lot of good players. Most of the purses 0:06:10.360 --> 0:06:14.040 right around a thousand, maybe fifteen hundred bucks, and then 0:06:14.160 --> 0:06:16.159 you finish second at the Honda and you make almost 0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:18.960 a million. My I guess my question is because I 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:21.200 get I have so many players that are trying to 0:06:21.240 --> 0:06:24.840 do what you're you're doing right. They have a dream, 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:27.159 they play a high school golf, they play college golf, 0:06:27.600 --> 0:06:31.040 and I don't think the average golf fan realizes I mean, 0:06:31.040 --> 0:06:33.160 they were only seeing when they're watching the PGA Tour 0:06:33.279 --> 0:06:36.360 on Sundays and they're watching you know, like last weekend 0:06:36.520 --> 0:06:39.480 bay Hill. I mean you're seeing some of the best 0:06:39.520 --> 0:06:42.359 players in the world, so it all looks normal. You know, 0:06:42.640 --> 0:06:46.280 Jordan Speech didn't have to struggle. M he just went 0:06:46.360 --> 0:06:50.640 you know, Matt Woll for eight rounds into his PGA 0:06:50.680 --> 0:06:53.440 Tour career, he wins a PGA Tour event, right, and 0:06:53.480 --> 0:06:55.920 he was we were we were at a tournament um 0:06:56.400 --> 0:06:58.799 last last week, the live tournament. We were talking about 0:06:58.880 --> 0:07:01.240 we're in a practice round and were talking about guys 0:07:01.240 --> 0:07:03.040 were talking about yeah when they went to the European 0:07:03.040 --> 0:07:07.159 Tour and Brooks was talking about travel. He and Peter 0:07:07.960 --> 0:07:10.960 the struggle early and Matt Wolfe was like, I love 0:07:11.080 --> 0:07:13.000 hearing these stories because I didn't have any of that. 0:07:13.040 --> 0:07:17.480 I mean, I won my second tournament out. But the 0:07:17.560 --> 0:07:22.360 road is so long the minor league from playing you know, 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:24.840 Mini tour golf, then you go to corn Ferry and 0:07:24.880 --> 0:07:28.520 then you go to the PGA Tour. What is the difference, 0:07:28.560 --> 0:07:31.280 would you say? Because I'm always saying the players listen, 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:33.720 it's golf, right, and you know that it is golf. 0:07:33.920 --> 0:07:36.920 Golf is wherever you're playing it. Yes, the stage on 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:40.760 the PGA Tour is bigger, there's more fans, But does 0:07:40.800 --> 0:07:43.320 that kind of do a mind trick on you to 0:07:43.480 --> 0:07:46.520 make you think that it's just not the same, because 0:07:46.960 --> 0:07:49.480 I think everybody is trying to work their way to 0:07:50.200 --> 0:07:52.840 that's trying to play competitive golf. Everybody wants to play 0:07:52.880 --> 0:07:55.960 the PGA Tour, and I think some of it is 0:07:56.000 --> 0:08:01.360 as much at times they struggle mentally as they technique 0:08:01.400 --> 0:08:05.200 or physically. Yeah, no, I agree. I mean, you know, 0:08:05.240 --> 0:08:08.160 the golf ball doesn't know the difference whether you're out 0:08:08.160 --> 0:08:10.160 with your buddies playing a minor league or it's the 0:08:10.240 --> 0:08:13.200 last all the PGA Tour events. So there's definitely some 0:08:13.240 --> 0:08:17.120 truth to that, and you know there's there's definitely a 0:08:18.400 --> 0:08:20.880 The biggest change, it's just like the depth, right, So 0:08:21.400 --> 0:08:24.400 you know when you play minor leagues that the top 0:08:24.480 --> 0:08:26.800 five guys are really good. A lot of them have 0:08:26.920 --> 0:08:29.720 had success in the past and are just playing coming 0:08:29.760 --> 0:08:31.920 back from an injury or just because they're in town 0:08:32.040 --> 0:08:35.560 or something, so that the top as you go down 0:08:35.760 --> 0:08:39.400 is almost always still pretty strong, especially in South Florida. 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:41.920 But you know, like the depth might fall off a 0:08:42.000 --> 0:08:43.959 little bit when you get into minor league, and then 0:08:44.360 --> 0:08:46.040 you know it gets stronger when you get into the 0:08:46.040 --> 0:08:48.120 corn Ferry Tour, like all those guys have kind of 0:08:48.120 --> 0:08:52.040 proven themselves in college or Q school or past seasons 0:08:52.040 --> 0:08:54.319 out there, and then you know, the PGA Tour is 0:08:54.360 --> 0:08:57.240 just like another step up from there where you know 0:08:57.360 --> 0:09:00.760 the back end is just you know, like a little 0:09:00.760 --> 0:09:03.800 bit deeper, a little bit more accomplished players that are 0:09:04.200 --> 0:09:07.160 have more experience, but that you know, to to win 0:09:07.480 --> 0:09:11.440 at any level of professional golf, you know, you you 0:09:11.480 --> 0:09:13.360 have to play some great golf and you have to 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:16.480 you know, battle with a little bit of mental stuff 0:09:16.600 --> 0:09:18.880 or a little bit you know, not having your best 0:09:18.920 --> 0:09:21.480 stuff and getting the most out of it. So you know, 0:09:21.679 --> 0:09:23.839 winning is good at any level. And I think it 0:09:23.960 --> 0:09:28.880 definitely kind of u is a good pattern to get into, 0:09:29.320 --> 0:09:32.600 you know, whether it's junior golf or professional golf at 0:09:32.640 --> 0:09:34.640 a lower level. Like when you start to win, you 0:09:34.679 --> 0:09:37.400 start to gain confidence and you start to feel more comfortable. 0:09:38.679 --> 0:09:41.120 Is there anybody so you come out on tour, m 0:09:42.120 --> 0:09:44.199 is there anyone you've been star struck by where you've 0:09:44.200 --> 0:09:46.880 walked past them while they're on the driving range and 0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:50.040 kind of had that you know whoa I mean, that 0:09:50.080 --> 0:09:53.240 guy's like I play now. I mean, it's like being 0:09:53.240 --> 0:09:55.280 in the NBA, right and you've never you've never seen 0:09:55.400 --> 0:09:57.320 Lebron before and all of a sudden you go up 0:09:57.320 --> 0:10:00.360 against him. I mean, is there an element of of 0:10:00.880 --> 0:10:03.360 being star struck in or there any players that you 0:10:03.800 --> 0:10:05.760 like bay Hill last week you're playing against, you know 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:07.679 right now some of the best players on the planet. 0:10:07.840 --> 0:10:10.040 Did you see anybody last week that you hadn't seen 0:10:10.160 --> 0:10:13.040 before kind of go and you kind of went, Wow, 0:10:13.760 --> 0:10:16.080 there he is. Yeah, I mean I think you have 0:10:16.160 --> 0:10:18.960 a little bit of that for sure, you know, like 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:23.679 warming up, Like I get there a little bit early, 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:25.600 and I'm at the back of most of the waves 0:10:25.640 --> 0:10:28.640 tea time wise, so a lot of the like big 0:10:28.720 --> 0:10:31.520 name players are just finishing their warm up and you know, 0:10:31.559 --> 0:10:34.360 I mean, I I uh, you know, hit ball is 0:10:34.440 --> 0:10:36.160 next to a bunch of guys that are you know, 0:10:36.240 --> 0:10:39.480 always on TV and playing great golf. And but the 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:42.440 cool thing is a lot of them kind of you know, 0:10:42.520 --> 0:10:45.720 I think because a lot of them didn't play the 0:10:45.840 --> 0:10:49.520 Honda because of the designate events before and after I 0:10:49.600 --> 0:10:52.000 had a bunch of people who you know, are big 0:10:52.120 --> 0:10:54.120 names that I've never really met come up to me 0:10:54.160 --> 0:10:56.480 and say like, hey man, we watched you or you know, 0:10:56.520 --> 0:10:59.160 like you looked good and we're you know, like happy 0:10:59.200 --> 0:11:01.120 you played well and stuff. So that was kind of cool. 0:11:01.679 --> 0:11:05.120 Do you feel like now, after everything you've been through, 0:11:05.200 --> 0:11:09.120 that you've arrived, that there's that moment where you say, Okay, 0:11:09.160 --> 0:11:11.520 I've been trying to do this. I'm somewhat of a 0:11:11.600 --> 0:11:14.080 late bloomer. I'm thirty four years old. This has always 0:11:14.080 --> 0:11:17.480 been my dream and having a big finish. You had 0:11:17.520 --> 0:11:20.680 a chance to win, you lost in a playoff in 0:11:20.720 --> 0:11:22.800 a you know, on a really difficult golf of course. 0:11:22.800 --> 0:11:25.720 How many times have you played PGA National. I'm sure 0:11:25.720 --> 0:11:28.839 you've played it, not that much or a lot. I've 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:31.400 played a couple of minor league events there and then 0:11:31.440 --> 0:11:34.800 I've probably played it maybe ten other times just over 0:11:34.840 --> 0:11:37.080 the years living in the area, so I've probably played 0:11:37.120 --> 0:11:40.400 it around twenty times, I'd say, so. I wouldn't say 0:11:40.400 --> 0:11:42.719 I have a whole lot of course knowledge, but it 0:11:42.800 --> 0:11:45.120 was you know, it's a home event. So that was nice. 0:11:46.480 --> 0:11:49.960 So the obvious question at thirty four, you've been trying 0:11:49.960 --> 0:11:51.920 to do this, you caddied, I mean I read you 0:11:51.960 --> 0:11:56.080 caddied for Sam Saunders, Arnie's grandson. I mean what years 0:11:56.160 --> 0:11:59.480 did you caddy for Sam and how long did you 0:11:59.520 --> 0:12:02.040 do that? Yeah, I caddied for him kind of in 0:12:02.240 --> 0:12:07.600 two different little spurts. I caddied for him in like 0:12:07.720 --> 0:12:12.040 twenty twelve was probably the biggest. I probably did like 0:12:12.320 --> 0:12:15.280 five or six months in twenty twelve where he I 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:17.880 think he was playing corn Ferry Tour, but he got 0:12:17.920 --> 0:12:22.120 some spots in PGA Tour events with sponsors exemptions, So 0:12:22.559 --> 0:12:25.000 I probably caddied for him for five months then. And 0:12:25.040 --> 0:12:28.640 then I also caddied for him in like twenty eighteen. 0:12:28.720 --> 0:12:30.640 I was coming back from a back injury, and I 0:12:30.720 --> 0:12:33.520 was kind of like his coach caddy for a few 0:12:33.559 --> 0:12:37.800 months for like six months or so. So I did 0:12:37.880 --> 0:12:41.360 like the Florida Swing with him, like kind of trying 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:43.200 to help him with his game as much as I could, 0:12:44.080 --> 0:12:48.559 and caddied Honda Bay Hill players for him that year. 0:12:48.760 --> 0:12:53.320 So what is caddying for a player on the PGA 0:12:53.400 --> 0:12:58.280 Tour teach you about playing on the PGA Tour that 0:12:58.360 --> 0:13:01.600 you took to your own game, Because I'm sure I 0:13:01.600 --> 0:13:05.480 mean that that's got to be an invaluable tool for 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:09.120 you because obviously you're trying to play, he's trying to play. 0:13:09.200 --> 0:13:10.959 You're on the back, so you're on the other side 0:13:11.000 --> 0:13:14.240 of it. Um, did you take anything from those caddying 0:13:14.320 --> 0:13:18.000 experiences that you feel like you took with you? Yeah, 0:13:18.000 --> 0:13:21.240 for sure. I'd say. The one thing is like the 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:24.640 top players, you know, like you can you can really 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:27.200 see the difference between the top let's say twenty in 0:13:27.200 --> 0:13:29.880 the world. Sam didn't necessarily play with any of them 0:13:29.880 --> 0:13:31.520 when I was cattying, but you could just see the 0:13:31.559 --> 0:13:34.720 difference in the game, the way they hit the ball. 0:13:35.559 --> 0:13:39.200 You know, their their preparation is a little different. But 0:13:39.360 --> 0:13:41.880 so those guys I could kind of tell like separated 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:47.720 themselves and also almost on the opposite spectrum, like you know, 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:52.240 the line between let's say fiftieth in the world and 0:13:52.559 --> 0:13:54.960 that might be a little too low, like seventieth in 0:13:54.960 --> 0:13:58.720 the world and two hundredth in the world is unbelievably fine. 0:13:58.880 --> 0:14:02.760 So I felt like, you know, Sam was having a 0:14:02.840 --> 0:14:04.839 decent year or had a decent year of the year 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:08.000 before something like that, and you know, like just this 0:14:08.160 --> 0:14:12.760 separation between those guys that are around you know, one 0:14:12.920 --> 0:14:15.760 twenty five or one hundred or one fifty, Like the 0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:19.920 line is just so unbelievably thin to separate those guys, 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:24.400 and I felt like, you know, everyone's kind of trying 0:14:24.720 --> 0:14:28.320 to look for that little edge to kind of make 0:14:28.400 --> 0:14:30.480 that little bit of a difference to whether it's keep 0:14:30.520 --> 0:14:32.960 your card or randomly have a great week and win. 0:14:34.400 --> 0:14:36.760 So that that was, you know, I kind of thought 0:14:36.800 --> 0:14:39.000 that I knew that, but to see it up close 0:14:39.040 --> 0:14:42.840 and personal was definitely a little eye opening. 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You typically lose weight pretty 0:15:56.640 --> 0:15:59.520 quickly if you don't take the right medication pretty much. 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:02.720 I'm also a Type one diabetics, So that was that 0:16:02.800 --> 0:16:06.920 was a little bit of a setback starting and then uh, 0:16:07.400 --> 0:16:09.480 like for me, it was just Q school was really 0:16:09.480 --> 0:16:12.680 hard for me for like five or six years. Like 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:15.480 I you talk about mini tour golf. I played a 0:16:15.520 --> 0:16:18.560 lot of really good, high level mini tour golf for 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:21.600 you know, most of the year, and then I would 0:16:21.640 --> 0:16:23.000 get to Q School and there would just be like 0:16:23.080 --> 0:16:26.560 a little bit of a performance block. Like I I 0:16:26.720 --> 0:16:29.200 think that like I just put a lot of expectations 0:16:29.200 --> 0:16:31.520 on myself, Like you know, like I would I would 0:16:31.520 --> 0:16:33.560 have a good Mini Tour year and win a lot 0:16:33.640 --> 0:16:37.200 of tournaments and you know, beat a lot of guys 0:16:37.200 --> 0:16:39.920 who have had success, and I thought, you know, like 0:16:40.520 --> 0:16:42.760 this should be something that's easy for me. And then 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:46.600 when it didn't go well, like that, really uh like 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:50.480 that inability to perform in the situation that one week 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:52.800 or two weeks in Q school at first or second 0:16:52.840 --> 0:16:56.600 stage was something that took a while for me to 0:16:56.600 --> 0:17:00.320 get over. And you know, for whatever reason and that 0:17:00.440 --> 0:17:04.439 it was, it was a slow moving process. Is it 0:17:04.520 --> 0:17:07.159 hard when you go through that too? Because I'm on 0:17:07.160 --> 0:17:08.639 the other side of it, right, I'm on the coaching 0:17:08.680 --> 0:17:11.720 side of it, the instructor side of it. When you have, 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:13.920 like you said, you're you're doing all the right things. 0:17:13.960 --> 0:17:17.800 You're playing on a mini tour, you're having success, you're winning, 0:17:18.320 --> 0:17:20.960 you're seeing progress, and you know, there's a lot of 0:17:20.960 --> 0:17:23.800 people you know at somebody, Oh, I'm sure you've played 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:25.640 a ton of golf with who's kind of a mini 0:17:25.680 --> 0:17:28.080 tour legend down here for the minor league, Sonny Kim. 0:17:28.119 --> 0:17:30.479 I mean, Sonny's in the same boat, right, Sonny is 0:17:30.600 --> 0:17:35.800 like a legit, legit player, and my trainer M Pierre. 0:17:35.800 --> 0:17:38.280 So Pierre was telling me he's played a lot of 0:17:38.280 --> 0:17:42.239 mind and he always says, bro Sonny like lights it up. 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:45.080 And every time he goes to Q school he struggles 0:17:45.760 --> 0:17:49.160 is do you think do you think it? Like you said, 0:17:49.280 --> 0:17:55.440 is it performance? Is it anxiety? Is it mental? Because obviously, 0:17:55.480 --> 0:17:59.399 if you're winning, I mean, I don't care. My dad 0:17:59.440 --> 0:18:01.359 always says, so, I don't care where it is, I 0:18:01.359 --> 0:18:06.200 don't care what tournament course conditions. If you're if you're 0:18:06.200 --> 0:18:10.440 winning and you're winning at a good rate, that is 0:18:10.480 --> 0:18:14.119 going to translate eventually. Yeah, I kind of agree with 0:18:14.160 --> 0:18:17.879 that sentiment. But for me, it was just, you know, 0:18:17.960 --> 0:18:20.800 for whatever reason, there was like a little bit, I 0:18:20.800 --> 0:18:22.919 think in my case, there was a little bit of 0:18:22.960 --> 0:18:26.600 two high expectations that I put on myself. Like I 0:18:27.480 --> 0:18:29.280 went to first stage and I was like, you know, 0:18:29.359 --> 0:18:32.040 this should be something that's very easy for me to 0:18:32.080 --> 0:18:35.160 get through. Everyone that I play against, I feel like 0:18:35.200 --> 0:18:37.600 I'm as good or better. It's the same guys at 0:18:37.640 --> 0:18:40.040 first stage that played mini tour golf all year round. 0:18:40.520 --> 0:18:42.320 It's like, you know, this should be something that I 0:18:42.320 --> 0:18:45.040 should just be able to breeze through. And then for 0:18:45.080 --> 0:18:47.359 whatever reason, it was just like a little bit of 0:18:47.359 --> 0:18:50.959 a speed bump and instead of having a you know, 0:18:52.240 --> 0:18:55.359 don't worry about it, it's one round or one nine holes. 0:18:55.400 --> 0:18:57.920 At the beginning of Q School, I was kind of like, 0:18:58.280 --> 0:19:00.440 you know, am I going to be able to do this? 0:19:00.600 --> 0:19:02.760 Is this something that I can get through? You know, 0:19:02.800 --> 0:19:05.119 like you start to doubt yourself a little bit, and 0:19:05.160 --> 0:19:09.000 you start to feel like, you know, like maybe it's 0:19:09.040 --> 0:19:11.520 not meant to be type of thing, and uh, you know, 0:19:11.600 --> 0:19:13.600 Sonny is a great player. I've put a lot of 0:19:13.640 --> 0:19:15.960 mini tour golf with him over the years and he 0:19:16.480 --> 0:19:20.520 is so unbelievably good. So I mean, I think I 0:19:20.560 --> 0:19:22.199 think it's one of those things where you just have 0:19:22.280 --> 0:19:24.359 to figure out what works for you. And it's probably 0:19:24.400 --> 0:19:27.880 different for every player, but for me, it was kind 0:19:27.880 --> 0:19:29.960 of giving myself a little bit of a break and saying, 0:19:30.560 --> 0:19:33.040 you know, I don't I don't have to You don't 0:19:33.040 --> 0:19:36.280 have to win Q School. You don't have to you know, 0:19:36.400 --> 0:19:38.760 prove to everybody how much better you are than them. 0:19:39.240 --> 0:19:43.680 You could just play good, solid, consistent golf and you know, 0:19:43.720 --> 0:19:46.040 if if your games at the level it should be, 0:19:46.119 --> 0:19:47.679 then you should be able to get through. And that 0:19:47.760 --> 0:19:50.960 was took me a while to realize that as a 0:19:51.040 --> 0:19:54.280 rookie you're learning a lot of new courses. I mean, 0:19:54.320 --> 0:19:56.560 you know there's courses on the PGA Tour that you've 0:19:56.600 --> 0:20:00.159 never played before. Is it a fair comment having come 0:20:00.200 --> 0:20:02.880 off the corn Ferry, Um, you finish I think third 0:20:02.920 --> 0:20:05.159 at the tour champion at their their kind of season 0:20:05.280 --> 0:20:10.680 ending tournament of championship, how much more difficult or the 0:20:10.680 --> 0:20:13.680 golf course is, because I mean last week bay Hill? 0:20:13.720 --> 0:20:16.320 I mean do you do you play golf courses like 0:20:16.359 --> 0:20:18.880 that on the corn Ferry that are set up like that? 0:20:19.119 --> 0:20:21.600 Now like bay Hill? I mean the biggest difference is 0:20:21.600 --> 0:20:26.760 like the firmness and fastness of the green. So you know, 0:20:26.800 --> 0:20:28.800 on the corn Ferry Tour you play a lot of 0:20:28.960 --> 0:20:32.320 actually really good courses tea green. But you know, for 0:20:32.359 --> 0:20:34.719 whatever reason, whether it's the course set up or the 0:20:34.720 --> 0:20:37.479 time of year that we go there, Um, you know, 0:20:37.480 --> 0:20:40.080 like the courses just placed so much slower so that 0:20:40.640 --> 0:20:43.080 the ball in the fairway isn't hitting and running. So 0:20:43.080 --> 0:20:45.960 when you're hitting into like dog like part fours, uh 0:20:46.280 --> 0:20:48.199 dog led right and left part four is you know, 0:20:48.240 --> 0:20:50.520 like the ball is just hitting and stopping. So it's 0:20:50.520 --> 0:20:52.560 a lot easier to hit in the fairway and then 0:20:52.640 --> 0:20:54.359 hitting into the green. If you do hit it in 0:20:54.400 --> 0:20:57.680 the rough, the rough flower and the greens are more receptive. 0:20:57.760 --> 0:21:00.399 So you kind of just have like this three tier 0:21:00.480 --> 0:21:02.840 thing of the course being slower, the rough being down, 0:21:03.400 --> 0:21:07.480 and the greens being just softer that it makes it 0:21:07.560 --> 0:21:10.399 to where the scores are lower. So you know, it's 0:21:10.440 --> 0:21:14.639 it's definitely a different environment. Yeah, and then obviously on 0:21:14.680 --> 0:21:17.199 the corn Ferry you can go out on Thursday and 0:21:17.240 --> 0:21:21.320 shoot to under and being almost last place. Yeah, you know, 0:21:21.400 --> 0:21:24.440 there's a lot there's there are, I mean, there are 0:21:24.480 --> 0:21:26.120 a lot of easy courses we play on the corn 0:21:26.119 --> 0:21:29.639 Ferry Tour too, Like they're not all difficult, but you know, 0:21:29.680 --> 0:21:33.159 it's mostly set up like I said that everything is 0:21:33.200 --> 0:21:36.399 just so much softer and slower, and you know you 0:21:36.720 --> 0:21:39.000 can just get away with more like making like short 0:21:39.040 --> 0:21:42.600 siding yourself on the corn Ferry Tour in general isn't 0:21:42.680 --> 0:21:44.439 that big of a deal, you know, like you can 0:21:44.640 --> 0:21:46.560 you can kind of get something up there where you 0:21:46.600 --> 0:21:48.600 have a five foot or for par last week at 0:21:48.640 --> 0:21:51.520 bay Hill, if you short side yourself, I mean you're 0:21:51.560 --> 0:21:53.960 looking at like a good shot is like twenty or 0:21:54.040 --> 0:21:56.960 thirty feet, So all of a sudden, those shots into 0:21:57.000 --> 0:21:59.760 the greens, although there might not be water on some 0:21:59.800 --> 0:22:02.000 of them, they turn into penalty shots if you miss 0:22:02.040 --> 0:22:04.200 a green. So it's just it's just more demanding as 0:22:04.200 --> 0:22:10.160 a whole. Yeah, and I think that the golf courses, yeah, 0:22:10.280 --> 0:22:12.600 from a shape, I've heard that before that guys say, listen, 0:22:12.640 --> 0:22:17.359 the conditions are t degreen are fun, but the green complexes. Um, 0:22:17.680 --> 0:22:21.320 do you feel like one of your strengths in talking 0:22:21.359 --> 0:22:23.359 to a lot of people that know you well, is 0:22:23.440 --> 0:22:26.240 short game? Right? You're not going to be a bomber, 0:22:26.280 --> 0:22:28.239 You're not going to hit it up with you know 0:22:28.320 --> 0:22:31.080 some of the guys on tour. Do you feel like 0:22:31.200 --> 0:22:35.920 short game is where you can really really excel. Yeah, 0:22:35.960 --> 0:22:38.360 I mean typically, like you said, it typically is one 0:22:38.359 --> 0:22:44.119 of my strengths. So you know, it's it's tricky because 0:22:44.200 --> 0:22:46.600 as the rough gets up, you know, like the skill 0:22:46.640 --> 0:22:48.520 of short game shots and I think goes down a 0:22:48.600 --> 0:22:51.080 little bit because everyone's kind of just hacking it out 0:22:51.080 --> 0:22:53.320 of the rough and trying to get it to, you know, 0:22:53.359 --> 0:22:56.600 as close as they can for par But you know, 0:22:57.280 --> 0:22:59.080 there's certain courses out here where they have a lot 0:22:59.119 --> 0:23:01.600 of shaved areas and stuff, and I think that kind 0:23:01.640 --> 0:23:05.600 of helps you make up some shots on the field 0:23:06.119 --> 0:23:10.840 around the greens. So like this week, I think at 0:23:10.880 --> 0:23:13.520 the players there's I noticed today there's a lot of 0:23:13.520 --> 0:23:17.080 like you know, first cut and closely mown areas around 0:23:17.200 --> 0:23:19.479 versus last time when I was here candy for Sam 0:23:19.840 --> 0:23:21.760 and I think I mentioned to my caddy, I think 0:23:21.760 --> 0:23:24.440 it's a really good move because when you do miss 0:23:24.440 --> 0:23:27.959 a green, it's it's kind of inviting a little bit 0:23:28.000 --> 0:23:30.480 of skill set into the short game shots like what 0:23:30.600 --> 0:23:36.280 shots are you choosing, you know, versus just the hack 0:23:36.320 --> 0:23:39.120 and out of the ruff to twenty feet. Yeah. I mean, 0:23:39.160 --> 0:23:40.879 I don't think a lot of the people listening and 0:23:41.200 --> 0:23:44.160 people that watch golf realize that when you do get 0:23:44.200 --> 0:23:47.280 that kind of us open Bay hill, that really really 0:23:47.440 --> 0:23:51.080 thick thick ruff, that there really are no options, right, 0:23:51.080 --> 0:23:55.080 there's no imagination. Your your technique, if you've got a 0:23:55.160 --> 0:23:57.600 great technique, if you can spin it, if you can 0:23:58.000 --> 0:24:04.919 go up in trajectories. The runoff areas at TPC Sawgrass, 0:24:05.000 --> 0:24:08.359 I think are some of the hardest to navigate, But 0:24:08.440 --> 0:24:11.919 it also allows you to be really, really creative. Have 0:24:12.040 --> 0:24:15.760 you always had a great short game and is part 0:24:15.800 --> 0:24:17.760 of it what part of it would you say is 0:24:17.760 --> 0:24:19.919 your technique? Which part of it would you say is 0:24:20.440 --> 0:24:23.960 kind of your creativity, that kind of special sauce that 0:24:24.119 --> 0:24:26.280 you know. I mean on tour, everybody's short games are 0:24:26.280 --> 0:24:28.600 pretty good. You can't make it. You can't make it 0:24:28.600 --> 0:24:30.760 to the PGA Tour and be bad at short game. 0:24:30.840 --> 0:24:33.520 But then there are the you know, the elite of 0:24:33.560 --> 0:24:38.040 the elite, the Jason Days, the Patrick Reeds, Jordan Tiger 0:24:38.080 --> 0:24:41.960 in the day. Are you a blend? Is it technique 0:24:42.000 --> 0:24:45.520 or is it execution and kind of finesse. I think 0:24:45.560 --> 0:24:48.119 it's a blend for sure. I think for anybody, you know, 0:24:48.280 --> 0:24:53.240 I growing up in Florida, you know, like you deal 0:24:53.240 --> 0:24:55.919 with a lot of grain, a ton of grain, and 0:24:55.960 --> 0:25:01.440 so I think naturally just learn to kind of chip 0:25:01.480 --> 0:25:05.600 out of some like rough lies and uh, you know 0:25:06.080 --> 0:25:08.919 lies that aren't that easy for people that aren't from Florida. 0:25:09.000 --> 0:25:11.919 So I think that probably helped me, especially with the 0:25:12.000 --> 0:25:15.600 creativity and kind of using you know, just your sixty 0:25:15.640 --> 0:25:18.800 degree in different ways and kind of learning different shots 0:25:18.840 --> 0:25:22.200 to hit with it. Um, But yeah, it's it's I'd 0:25:22.200 --> 0:25:24.880 say it's a blend of technique and you know, it's 0:25:24.960 --> 0:25:29.639 definitely as you get closer to green, the uh you know, 0:25:29.680 --> 0:25:32.280 like the field side and the artistic side of golf 0:25:32.400 --> 0:25:35.600 definitely become more important. I mean, you were, you were 0:25:35.640 --> 0:25:39.960 hooping it from everywhere at Honda. I mean, so what 0:25:40.000 --> 0:25:43.760 was different about Honda that week? Because I'm always fascinated 0:25:43.800 --> 0:25:47.360 with players in talking to them about the weeks they 0:25:47.359 --> 0:25:51.080 win or the weeks they have chances to win. What's 0:25:51.160 --> 0:25:55.080 different and how can you access that more often? Yeah, 0:25:55.119 --> 0:25:58.280 that's a great question. I had three really good days 0:25:58.280 --> 0:26:01.159 of ball striking. I don't know the stats really showed it, 0:26:01.359 --> 0:26:03.960 just because you know, Honda, you have those those really 0:26:04.000 --> 0:26:08.280 tough shots like you know five and six and fifteen 0:26:08.280 --> 0:26:11.040 and seventeen where you know you're not really trying to 0:26:11.080 --> 0:26:13.040 hit it close to the hole on most of those. 0:26:13.080 --> 0:26:14.879 So the stats didn't really say that I had a 0:26:14.880 --> 0:26:17.200 great ball striking week. But I hit the ball where 0:26:17.240 --> 0:26:19.679 I was aiming a lot in the right distance the 0:26:19.720 --> 0:26:23.600 first three days, So that was that was huge, And 0:26:23.600 --> 0:26:25.320 then I think that helped with my I didn't have 0:26:25.320 --> 0:26:27.280 a great ball striking day the last round, but that 0:26:27.400 --> 0:26:30.240 helped with my comfort going into the last round. Like 0:26:30.280 --> 0:26:32.399 I think I felt a lot more comfortable than maybe 0:26:32.440 --> 0:26:36.760 I might have anticipated feeling, just because my confidence was 0:26:36.840 --> 0:26:39.720 high from the first three days ball striking wise, and then, 0:26:40.440 --> 0:26:42.600 like you said, I did make my fair share of 0:26:42.680 --> 0:26:44.919 huts on the last day, so that was that was 0:26:45.520 --> 0:26:49.560 very welcome. I was happy to see that. Obviously, you 0:26:49.880 --> 0:26:53.400 play professional golf to win. Everybody wants to win tournaments. 0:26:54.080 --> 0:26:57.800 Going into Sunday at the Honda, when in the round, 0:26:57.840 --> 0:27:01.119 did you kind of know, Okay, I have a legit. 0:27:01.200 --> 0:27:03.800 I mean it's not now, Okay, if I shoot sixty 0:27:03.840 --> 0:27:06.520 four today, I could post something. When did you kind 0:27:06.520 --> 0:27:09.960 of have that moment to where you're like, okay, I am. 0:27:10.000 --> 0:27:13.200 I am in the room now, and there's only about 0:27:13.200 --> 0:27:15.600 five people that can win this golf tournament, and I'm 0:27:15.640 --> 0:27:18.760 one of them. Yeah, I'd say probably maybe eleven. I 0:27:18.880 --> 0:27:22.800 birdied eleven, which is which is I think is one 0:27:22.800 --> 0:27:25.320 of the hardest holes on that golf course. We got. 0:27:25.400 --> 0:27:27.720 We got lucky where it was. It's got pretty firm 0:27:27.800 --> 0:27:30.960 and it was downwind. So my t shot I didn't. 0:27:30.960 --> 0:27:32.720 I only hit five wood and I kind of pushed 0:27:32.720 --> 0:27:34.479 it down there where I could hit a pitching legend. 0:27:34.800 --> 0:27:37.040 So that was helpful to that pin for sure. But 0:27:37.119 --> 0:27:39.720 when I birdied eleven, I think I got within one 0:27:40.240 --> 0:27:43.720 and you know, like we hadn't really separated ourselves, but 0:27:43.800 --> 0:27:45.399 I think, you know, like there was a little bit 0:27:45.400 --> 0:27:48.560 of room behind us, maybe two shots, and you know, 0:27:48.640 --> 0:27:50.679 at that point I was like, Okay, you know, you're 0:27:50.720 --> 0:27:53.280 you're you're right in the middle of this. If if 0:27:53.280 --> 0:27:55.679 you just keep doing what you're doing, you know, you 0:27:55.760 --> 0:27:57.480 never know what's going to happen by the time we 0:27:57.560 --> 0:28:00.760 get to you know, eighteen or seventeen or something. So 0:28:02.000 --> 0:28:05.280 the sports psychologists always say take one shot at a time, 0:28:05.320 --> 0:28:07.480 But all of a sudden, you birdie eleven and you 0:28:07.520 --> 0:28:10.359 look at you look at a leaderboard and you're like, okay, 0:28:11.080 --> 0:28:13.560 is it hard? And were you able to stay in 0:28:13.560 --> 0:28:16.800 the moment or like you said in the past, was 0:28:17.040 --> 0:28:21.200 the expectation of what you an opportunity? Did you go 0:28:21.600 --> 0:28:24.720 back into that or did you stay in kind of 0:28:24.760 --> 0:28:27.200 just one shot at a time? Yeah, No, I felt 0:28:27.240 --> 0:28:30.959 really good, so I definitely stayed in one shot at 0:28:30.960 --> 0:28:34.040 a time. You know, one good thing about playing the 0:28:34.040 --> 0:28:37.160 Honda is at the champ those shots are so hard 0:28:37.520 --> 0:28:39.440 on the you know, like once you get to fourteen, 0:28:39.600 --> 0:28:42.640 every shot is you know, very difficult shot, so it's 0:28:42.640 --> 0:28:45.600 hard to get too far ahead of yourself because you know, 0:28:45.680 --> 0:28:47.560 the shot that's right in front of you is kind 0:28:47.560 --> 0:28:49.440 of like a make or break shot. So I think, 0:28:50.000 --> 0:28:53.760 you know, I think that's a fortunate thing about the Honda, 0:28:53.840 --> 0:28:57.280 where you're not like looking up where oh, you know, 0:28:57.560 --> 0:29:00.240 sixteens and easy birdie or seventeens and easy bird like, 0:29:00.240 --> 0:29:02.959 those holes are pretty hard, so you're just focusing on 0:29:03.040 --> 0:29:05.320 hitting a good shot right in front of you. And uh, 0:29:05.640 --> 0:29:07.440 you know, I had a lot of family and friends 0:29:07.440 --> 0:29:11.400 out there kind of yeah, Allen and keeping me in it, 0:29:11.520 --> 0:29:13.560 so you know, it goes pretty easy to stay in 0:29:13.640 --> 0:29:15.600 the moment because it was so much fun. I didn't 0:29:15.600 --> 0:29:18.160 really want to get ahead of myself because of how 0:29:18.200 --> 0:29:23.440 cool this whole environment was, is it. I often think 0:29:23.480 --> 0:29:26.840 that a lot of players, when they get in situations 0:29:26.840 --> 0:29:29.440 like that, it's not fun. They don't see it as 0:29:29.480 --> 0:29:33.920 fun and it hurts them and thinking, Okay, I've got 0:29:33.960 --> 0:29:37.520 a chance to win a PGA Tour event, my family's here, 0:29:37.680 --> 0:29:40.440 I'm going to go out and enjoy as much of 0:29:40.440 --> 0:29:44.440 this as I possibly can. That sounds easy to do, 0:29:44.920 --> 0:29:47.960 but it also seems like it should be easy to 0:29:48.000 --> 0:29:50.200 do because I mean at the end, at the end 0:29:50.200 --> 0:29:51.960 of the day, it's it's golf, right, I mean, that's 0:29:51.960 --> 0:29:55.920 that's yeah, No, I mean it's it's I mean, I 0:29:55.960 --> 0:29:58.200 could understand if you get in that position, then you 0:29:58.240 --> 0:30:00.760 get off to a really bad start and there's all 0:30:00.800 --> 0:30:02.960 those people around and you're really having a bad day 0:30:03.000 --> 0:30:05.480 where it cannot be a lot of fun. But you know, 0:30:05.520 --> 0:30:08.160 I mean, I played a lot of golf all over 0:30:08.200 --> 0:30:11.640 the place, and I've never really had an experience quite 0:30:11.680 --> 0:30:15.920 like that in that environment, and it's it's something that 0:30:16.000 --> 0:30:18.000 it's it's almost like a little bit like a drug. 0:30:18.040 --> 0:30:20.200 Like I've never done any real drugs in my life, 0:30:20.280 --> 0:30:24.600 but I just feel like like it was so exhilarating 0:30:24.640 --> 0:30:27.000 to be in that environment and have a chance to 0:30:27.000 --> 0:30:29.560 win that it's like it's addicting. It's like something that 0:30:29.600 --> 0:30:33.480 you kind of want to experience again and uh, you know, 0:30:33.560 --> 0:30:37.120 hopefully get a different result at the end. But you know, 0:30:37.160 --> 0:30:40.440 like it's it's it's just such a cool environment, like 0:30:40.440 --> 0:30:42.440 it really feels like you know, like you play a 0:30:42.480 --> 0:30:45.640 lot of golf where it's just you know, uh, the 0:30:45.760 --> 0:30:48.400 other guys you're playing with and ten people watching or 0:30:48.440 --> 0:30:50.360 twenty people watching, and it doesn't really have like a 0:30:50.440 --> 0:30:53.800 sports feel to it, And especially at the Honda like 0:30:53.800 --> 0:30:57.040 on seventeen, with like closed inn like you really do 0:30:57.160 --> 0:31:01.480 feel like you're in a like you're you're an athlete 0:31:01.520 --> 0:31:04.160 and a sporting event. And I think that was something that, 0:31:04.720 --> 0:31:06.840 like I said, I'd never had that experience on a 0:31:06.880 --> 0:31:11.040 golf course, and it was It's definitely addicting. I think 0:31:11.080 --> 0:31:14.920 everybody saw the putt you hit on eighteen, I mean 0:31:14.960 --> 0:31:17.800 a cruel lipout. If you had it to do over again, 0:31:17.840 --> 0:31:19.880 would you hit the same put did you? Was it 0:31:20.200 --> 0:31:22.720 the right read, the right speed? I mean, if you 0:31:22.840 --> 0:31:24.520 if if they took you back out there and said, 0:31:24.520 --> 0:31:26.600 all right, you can do this again and we'll give 0:31:26.640 --> 0:31:29.040 you the trophy, would you hit the exact would you 0:31:29.120 --> 0:31:31.960 do the exact same thing? I think I would just 0:31:32.040 --> 0:31:34.320 take a little pace off it. I think I just 0:31:34.440 --> 0:31:37.680 hit it barely too hard. You know, I wasn't going 0:31:37.720 --> 0:31:40.240 to stand in there and leave it short, so uh, 0:31:40.640 --> 0:31:42.320 you know, like I wanted to make sure. I wanted 0:31:42.360 --> 0:31:43.760 to make sure I hit a good put and gave 0:31:43.760 --> 0:31:45.280 it a chance. And I think I just gave it 0:31:45.400 --> 0:31:48.320 just you know, six inches too much speed, that it 0:31:48.440 --> 0:31:51.880 just didn't quite take the break. But did you think 0:31:51.920 --> 0:31:54.200 you'd made it halfway? Yeah? When I hit it, I 0:31:54.520 --> 0:31:56.920 hit a great pot, and you know I don't use 0:31:56.960 --> 0:31:58.600 a line on my ball, but I kind of put 0:31:58.640 --> 0:32:01.400 a line through the titleist, and you know, I saw 0:32:01.480 --> 0:32:03.760 it lead the putter and it was rolling end over end, 0:32:03.840 --> 0:32:05.960 and I was like, you know, I've been putting well 0:32:06.000 --> 0:32:09.120 all day, and you know, I definitely thought I made 0:32:09.160 --> 0:32:11.720 it halfway there. But as it got to the whole, 0:32:11.800 --> 0:32:13.440 like I kind of saw it was on the high side, 0:32:13.480 --> 0:32:15.680 and like I said, I think it just had maybe 0:32:16.280 --> 0:32:18.480 six inches too much pace to kind of take that 0:32:18.600 --> 0:32:26.600 little bit of break. We mentioned almost a million dollars. Um. 0:32:27.280 --> 0:32:30.080 You know, there's so much talk in professional golf about money. 0:32:30.520 --> 0:32:33.720 The live guys went for guaranteed money, UM talked to it. 0:32:33.800 --> 0:32:36.760 I don't think the average fan realizes because they only 0:32:36.840 --> 0:32:39.840 see the Netflix documentary and they see everybody flying around 0:32:39.920 --> 0:32:42.719 on a on a net jet and living in these 0:32:42.800 --> 0:32:48.240 giant mansions. Um. It's hard to make it in professional sports, 0:32:48.320 --> 0:32:51.560 but professional golf, I mean the money aspect of it. 0:32:52.400 --> 0:32:55.840 It's not easy, is it. Yeah? No, I mean we're 0:32:55.880 --> 0:32:57.760 talking about the minor league tour, like, I mean, you 0:32:57.960 --> 0:33:01.880 grind out tournaments and you know when six hundred bucks 0:33:01.920 --> 0:33:04.640 and stuff like that at a time. So it's it's 0:33:05.360 --> 0:33:07.200 you know, there's definitely a different side to what you 0:33:07.240 --> 0:33:10.080 see on TV as far as guys trying to make it. UM. 0:33:11.200 --> 0:33:16.280 But you know, it's it's it's worth the work once 0:33:16.360 --> 0:33:18.920 you get here. I'd say, you know, I mean, that's 0:33:20.080 --> 0:33:24.440 that's a lot of money and it's something that you know, 0:33:24.520 --> 0:33:27.520 I've worked really hard for. So but you know, it 0:33:27.640 --> 0:33:30.600 does take a lot of work for not I mean, 0:33:30.640 --> 0:33:32.240 I guess a lot of guys are straight out of 0:33:32.240 --> 0:33:34.400 college on the PGA tour, but in my case, it 0:33:34.480 --> 0:33:38.160 took a lot of time and a lot of work. Obviously, 0:33:38.320 --> 0:33:42.640 with the ever changing landscape of of the PGA tour, UM, 0:33:43.000 --> 0:33:45.360 it seems like, you know, different things are happening with 0:33:45.520 --> 0:33:48.480 regards to events. Um. This puts you in a really 0:33:48.640 --> 0:33:52.320 good position, um, because everybody wants to be one of 0:33:52.360 --> 0:33:55.680 these guys inside the top seventy to get into these big, 0:33:56.480 --> 0:34:00.280 you know, twenty million dollars no cut tournaments. Um. Do 0:34:00.360 --> 0:34:04.680 you feel a sense of a little bit of relief 0:34:04.800 --> 0:34:07.880 that some of the pressure he's taken off the other thing. 0:34:07.920 --> 0:34:10.600 Talk to me about the rerank. I don't think everybody 0:34:10.680 --> 0:34:14.040 realizes you get your PGA Tour card you're a rookie. 0:34:14.800 --> 0:34:18.600 But if you don't play well early, the amount of 0:34:18.680 --> 0:34:23.719 tournaments you get an opportunity to play in becomes pretty limited. Yeah, Like, 0:34:23.840 --> 0:34:28.000 so you know, getting your card is obviously a monumental thing. 0:34:28.120 --> 0:34:30.760 It's a great thing. But you know, when those fifty 0:34:30.800 --> 0:34:33.719 cards come out, you know, like where you stand on 0:34:33.840 --> 0:34:37.680 that list is pretty important just to start with as 0:34:37.760 --> 0:34:41.640 far as getting access to play tournaments. And then as 0:34:41.760 --> 0:34:45.759 you play, there's a kind of reshuffle within your category 0:34:45.840 --> 0:34:49.200 that kind of makes it to where you get in 0:34:49.320 --> 0:34:51.440 tournaments or not. And a lot of times in the 0:34:51.520 --> 0:34:54.520 corn ferry category, the field is kind of filled and 0:34:54.600 --> 0:34:57.799 it stops in that category somewhere, so the last man 0:34:57.920 --> 0:35:00.600 in might be the tenth guy on that reach shuffle list, 0:35:00.719 --> 0:35:03.799 or it might be the forty five guys. So as 0:35:03.880 --> 0:35:07.120 you play well, you move up your reshuffle list. And 0:35:07.239 --> 0:35:10.440 it's extremely important to have a good start. And like 0:35:10.560 --> 0:35:12.480 you mentioned at the beginning, I didn't get off to 0:35:12.560 --> 0:35:14.200 the best start, so there was a little bit of 0:35:15.239 --> 0:35:18.880 added you know, I'm not sure what the word is, 0:35:18.960 --> 0:35:22.000 but I was trying really hard to motivation, I guess, 0:35:22.080 --> 0:35:24.200 to try and get on that list and move my 0:35:24.320 --> 0:35:30.440 way up. Obviously, the big thing about somewhat being safe 0:35:30.960 --> 0:35:35.320 with FedEx cup points and money is your schedule changes 0:35:35.480 --> 0:35:39.000 a lot and you have a lot more opportunities to 0:35:39.160 --> 0:35:42.160 play in events that when you're not playing well and 0:35:42.440 --> 0:35:44.719 coming off to corn Ferry, you're you're just not going 0:35:44.760 --> 0:35:48.680 to get in? Are there tournaments now that you probably 0:35:48.880 --> 0:35:53.320 thought you wouldn't get into that you're legit thinking now, okay, 0:35:53.560 --> 0:35:55.839 I'm gonna have an opportunity to get into that tournament. Yeah, 0:35:55.840 --> 0:35:59.839 I mean the players will start right now. I most 0:36:00.040 --> 0:36:03.080 likely was not going to get into players. Um so 0:36:03.280 --> 0:36:06.600 that's that's definitely an added bonus and uh yeah, I 0:36:06.640 --> 0:36:10.320 mean it definitely changes, you know, as you as you 0:36:10.400 --> 0:36:13.520 do well, you get more options to play tournaments, and 0:36:14.040 --> 0:36:18.080 uh you know, uh, probably the rest side of it 0:36:18.200 --> 0:36:20.920 becomes as important as anything else. You know, like maybe 0:36:21.520 --> 0:36:24.239 whereas before you're looking like, man, I want to play 0:36:24.239 --> 0:36:26.839 in every tournament I can, and then as you do better, 0:36:27.719 --> 0:36:29.839 you almost want to be like, you know, is there 0:36:29.840 --> 0:36:32.160 a tournament I could take off because of these big 0:36:32.280 --> 0:36:35.120 tournaments I just played before? So you know, there's definitely 0:36:35.160 --> 0:36:39.000 a little bit of a shift there. But UM, you know, 0:36:39.719 --> 0:36:42.399 those are all good things as as you play good golf. 0:36:43.360 --> 0:36:47.080 Has the UM the quest for your autograph UM gone 0:36:47.239 --> 0:36:50.480 up in a two week span? Have you noticed that 0:36:50.600 --> 0:36:54.879 people now notice who you are a little bit. Yeah, 0:36:54.960 --> 0:36:58.600 I've definitely had a few more autograph requests. UM. You know, 0:36:58.719 --> 0:37:00.239 like some of the people in the crowd out and 0:37:00.320 --> 0:37:03.480 volunteer know my name. That's kind of nice. When I 0:37:03.640 --> 0:37:07.200 registered this morning, they knew who I was, which is 0:37:07.239 --> 0:37:09.080 a little unusual. Most of the time I have to 0:37:09.719 --> 0:37:12.040 say and spell my last name so they know where 0:37:12.040 --> 0:37:14.879 I am on the list. But yeah, no, it's been great. 0:37:14.920 --> 0:37:17.320 It's another one of those things that you know that 0:37:17.520 --> 0:37:20.800 comes with good golf. And I'm really trying hard to 0:37:20.880 --> 0:37:23.640 play good golf, so I'm I'm happy with all those 0:37:23.680 --> 0:37:26.520 other things that come with it. You mentioned having your 0:37:26.560 --> 0:37:29.719 family at Honda, your father Bobby Cole, your mom Laura Ball. 0:37:29.719 --> 0:37:33.120 I mean, they were both great players. They both played 0:37:33.239 --> 0:37:36.759 on the men's and women's side. I come from a 0:37:36.840 --> 0:37:40.960 similar background, as you chose to do the same thing 0:37:41.040 --> 0:37:43.200 that you know my dad did. You did the same. Um, 0:37:44.000 --> 0:37:46.120 how much of that is a blessing, and how much 0:37:46.160 --> 0:37:50.880 of that at times can be you know, a curse 0:37:50.920 --> 0:37:54.400 because it's I mean I struggled for that for a 0:37:54.560 --> 0:37:58.160 long time, the imposter syndrome to where you're like, am 0:37:58.200 --> 0:37:59.839 I really good enough to be out here? My dad 0:38:00.000 --> 0:38:02.360 it's like the greatest of all time and what I 0:38:02.480 --> 0:38:04.840 do and I'm trying to do what he does. I mean, 0:38:05.000 --> 0:38:08.080 did you go through any of that? Uh? Yeah, not 0:38:08.360 --> 0:38:12.359 not as much because, um, you know, like I feel 0:38:12.400 --> 0:38:16.360 like my parents had great careers and they were great players, 0:38:16.440 --> 0:38:19.200 but they weren't like, you know, like the very best. 0:38:19.360 --> 0:38:21.760 They weren't, you know, like my one of my best friends, 0:38:21.800 --> 0:38:24.480 Sam Saunders, and you know, I mean his grandpa's Honor Palmer. 0:38:24.600 --> 0:38:28.920 That's that's a different level of success. And there's a 0:38:29.000 --> 0:38:32.319 lot that comes with that, um, you know, both good 0:38:32.360 --> 0:38:35.440 and bad things. But I think in my case, I 0:38:35.640 --> 0:38:38.879 mostly got good things, you know, Like I don't really 0:38:38.960 --> 0:38:42.000 have a whole lot of you know, negatives or pressure 0:38:42.080 --> 0:38:44.720 that comes with it, because, like I said, my parents 0:38:45.440 --> 0:38:47.680 are are really well known in the golf world, but 0:38:47.800 --> 0:38:49.920 you know, they're not like, you know, someone walking down 0:38:49.960 --> 0:38:52.440 the street doesn't necessarily know who my mom or dad are, 0:38:52.560 --> 0:38:55.719 so I think, you know, it's it's been mostly positive 0:38:55.800 --> 0:38:59.799 and it hasn't really been a huge like pressure point 0:39:00.120 --> 0:39:04.560 me or anything. Lastly, what are the goals now? I mean, 0:39:05.080 --> 0:39:08.200 because have the goals changed from what you set out 0:39:08.239 --> 0:39:13.480 to do when you started last fall? And I mean 0:39:13.760 --> 0:39:16.239 do you feel like, Okay, I know I can win 0:39:16.400 --> 0:39:20.080 now because I'm one pot away from having an opportunity 0:39:20.080 --> 0:39:23.400 to to be a PGA Tour winner. Yeah. I mean, 0:39:23.480 --> 0:39:25.960 I'd say some of the goals are probably changing a 0:39:26.040 --> 0:39:32.120 little bit. But you know, in general, for me, like 0:39:32.239 --> 0:39:35.080 I really try and focus. It sounds like a little cliche, 0:39:35.200 --> 0:39:37.880 but I try and focus on like a you know, 0:39:38.440 --> 0:39:41.800 a process type of thing where my job is to 0:39:41.960 --> 0:39:44.240 just make sure that I'm in one of my goals 0:39:44.520 --> 0:39:46.400 when I write them down at the beginning of the year, 0:39:46.520 --> 0:39:49.279 is just to be fully prepared for every tournament. And 0:39:49.480 --> 0:39:52.400 I think like, if I'm fully prepared and you know, 0:39:52.520 --> 0:39:56.840 ready to kind of execute my golf to its highest ability, 0:39:57.000 --> 0:39:59.839 then you know, a lot of the accomplishment stuff kind 0:39:59.840 --> 0:40:02.960 of takes care of itself. And you know that's you know, 0:40:03.000 --> 0:40:05.520 there's a lot of guys that say that, but for me, um, 0:40:06.480 --> 0:40:08.520 you know, like it's it makes it so much easier 0:40:08.600 --> 0:40:11.600 for me to just focus on you know, as long 0:40:11.640 --> 0:40:15.399 as I have confidence in how I'm playing and my ability. Um, 0:40:15.719 --> 0:40:18.799 if I'm fully prepared to play every tournament, then I think, 0:40:19.320 --> 0:40:21.560 you know, the the other stuff should just kind of 0:40:21.600 --> 0:40:26.600 fall in line. Well, I'm excited. I think everybody's excited 0:40:26.640 --> 0:40:29.880 to see, um, what you do. And I mean and 0:40:30.520 --> 0:40:33.640 obviously the hard flex getting down on one knee and 0:40:33.719 --> 0:40:37.759 proposing to your longtime girlfriend at Pebble Beach during the 0:40:37.880 --> 0:40:40.400 at and t I mean, if you can win a tournament, 0:40:40.440 --> 0:40:43.279 I mean, this is I mean, this is storybook kind 0:40:43.320 --> 0:40:46.719 of first year on the PGA Tour. Yeah, it's been 0:40:46.800 --> 0:40:49.919 pretty cool. I mean, she's she's lucky, she's been able 0:40:49.960 --> 0:40:52.160 to come out a lot. And you know that week 0:40:52.200 --> 0:40:54.560 at Pebble for me was for us was it was 0:40:54.600 --> 0:40:57.640 a great week. And uh, you know it, I played 0:40:57.680 --> 0:41:00.239 well that week, but the truth is that was a 0:41:00.239 --> 0:41:01.800 great week whether I would have played well or not. 0:41:02.040 --> 0:41:05.640 So And you said you liked kind of the the 0:41:05.760 --> 0:41:08.440 atmosphere of lots of people. You're gonna get a big 0:41:08.520 --> 0:41:12.560 dose of that at seventeen at TPC. Just remember, it's 0:41:12.600 --> 0:41:16.239 a wedge all that water doesn't really mean anything. It's 0:41:16.239 --> 0:41:20.240 a wedge. Yeah that's true. Yeah, it's you probably wouldn't 0:41:20.239 --> 0:41:22.279 miss that green very out. You wouldn't see pros missing 0:41:22.320 --> 0:41:25.360 that green very often if it wasn't that atmosphere with 0:41:25.520 --> 0:41:28.279 water all around it, that's for sure. Well, best of luck. 0:41:28.320 --> 0:41:31.120 I know you're really busy, so thanks for taking time 0:41:31.160 --> 0:41:34.400 to talk and keep it going. Man, the winds are 0:41:34.400 --> 0:41:36.480 out there, go get them. Thanks, no worries, Thanks for 0:41:36.480 --> 0:41:43.160 having me on. So that was Eric Cole. And what 0:41:43.280 --> 0:41:45.040 a cool story, right? I mean this if this kid 0:41:45.120 --> 0:41:47.399 managed to get a victory on the PGA Tour this year. 0:41:47.440 --> 0:41:50.279 I mean, there are Cinderella stories, but then there are 0:41:50.360 --> 0:41:53.040 Cinderella stories. I mean, the guy gets engaged at Pebble Beach, 0:41:53.640 --> 0:41:57.480 miss is the first four cuts in the fall, almost 0:41:57.560 --> 0:41:59.520 wins his first PGA to event and what's a home 0:41:59.600 --> 0:42:03.080 game for him, and then goes from basically no status 0:42:03.600 --> 0:42:06.400 plan on many tours to if he could win a 0:42:06.480 --> 0:42:09.560 PGA Tour event. I think it would be an unbelievable story. 0:42:10.719 --> 0:42:13.320 Really glad that we got to talk to him, and 0:42:13.800 --> 0:42:15.839 I think there was some really really good stuff in there. 0:42:15.840 --> 0:42:20.200 If you're trying to play competitive golf. This is a 0:42:20.280 --> 0:42:23.480 good podcast because here's a kid that's kind of done 0:42:23.520 --> 0:42:27.600 it all and been at every level. So really glad 0:42:27.640 --> 0:42:29.120 that he came on and got to talk to him. 0:42:30.280 --> 0:42:34.120 Players Championship this week, the flagship event on the PGA Tour. 0:42:35.280 --> 0:42:38.000 Rory McElroy coming out today. I'm gonna use Rory's words. 0:42:38.120 --> 0:42:41.000 You guys can take from this what you want. The 0:42:41.120 --> 0:42:44.879 emergence of Live or the emergence of a competitor has 0:42:44.920 --> 0:42:48.640 been has been beneficial to everyone playing elite professional golf. 0:42:49.120 --> 0:42:51.080 And then he had John rom saying, yeah, a lot 0:42:51.120 --> 0:42:52.720 of the changes that are being made on the PGA 0:42:52.760 --> 0:42:55.680 Tour were as a result of Live. I think everybody 0:42:55.760 --> 0:42:59.400 knows that. I think it's been interesting to watch some 0:42:59.560 --> 0:43:01.399 of the people on the PGA Tour try and act 0:43:01.520 --> 0:43:03.799 like all the stuff that the Live guys were doing 0:43:04.480 --> 0:43:08.279 was just the devil and it was just completely detrimental. 0:43:09.040 --> 0:43:11.000 But it is forced the PGA Tour to make an 0:43:11.160 --> 0:43:13.640 enormous amount of changes. It is forced the PGA Tour 0:43:13.760 --> 0:43:17.080 to find an enormous amount of money. It's forced the 0:43:17.160 --> 0:43:20.560 PGA Tour to find a way to get an enormous 0:43:20.560 --> 0:43:23.960 amount of money to their best players. And anybody that 0:43:24.080 --> 0:43:28.640 thinks that this is being driven by not the players 0:43:28.680 --> 0:43:30.960 on the PGA Tour. I think the one thing that 0:43:31.120 --> 0:43:34.600 Live is done is it made everybody regardless of what 0:43:34.840 --> 0:43:37.439 side of this year on whether you play on Live 0:43:37.480 --> 0:43:39.280 and you went or whether you stayed on the PGA 0:43:39.360 --> 0:43:41.440 Tour and went, I think one of the things that 0:43:41.480 --> 0:43:43.320 it did. And I talked to a bunch of players 0:43:43.440 --> 0:43:46.640 last year before any of this happened, and I asked 0:43:46.680 --> 0:43:48.120 them what they thought, and they said, you know, the 0:43:48.239 --> 0:43:51.040 one thing that this is an opportunity is for the 0:43:51.200 --> 0:43:54.600 players to be recognized as having a voice. And so 0:43:55.239 --> 0:43:58.799 I have always been pro player. That's why I think 0:43:58.840 --> 0:44:01.480 that the best players world, regardless of where they play, 0:44:01.960 --> 0:44:04.520 should have the right and be able to make as 0:44:04.640 --> 0:44:07.920 much money as possible. And you know, the tour has 0:44:07.960 --> 0:44:11.120 tried to come out and say that it was trophies 0:44:11.200 --> 0:44:15.359 and it was legacy and now there's ten events, no cut, 0:44:16.120 --> 0:44:22.040 small fields, guaranteed money for ten events. If that sounds familiar, 0:44:22.080 --> 0:44:26.480 It certainly sounds familiar to me. Maybe if all of 0:44:26.560 --> 0:44:28.799 these guys at the top on the PGA Tour, if 0:44:28.800 --> 0:44:32.440 you've got Roy McElroy, who is basically the de facto 0:44:33.120 --> 0:44:36.799 spokesman of the PGA Tour. And you've got John rom 0:44:36.880 --> 0:44:38.960 the number one player in the world. If you've got 0:44:39.000 --> 0:44:44.560 them actually addressing and identifying the thousand pound elephant in 0:44:44.640 --> 0:44:48.920 the room and saying, yeah, we've made these changes because 0:44:48.960 --> 0:44:53.320 of what Live is done, then maybe there's an opportunity 0:44:53.400 --> 0:44:57.040 for coexistence to where the PGA Tour does their thing, 0:44:57.560 --> 0:45:01.000 Live does their thing. Maybe there's a way it somewhere 0:45:01.040 --> 0:45:02.879 down the road. I don't think it happens anytime soon. 0:45:04.000 --> 0:45:09.799 Maybe there's a way that players just stop being at 0:45:09.880 --> 0:45:14.320 war with each other. And I do not fundamentally believe 0:45:14.920 --> 0:45:17.360 why you have to pick and choose between Live or 0:45:17.440 --> 0:45:20.480 the PGA Tour. If you like golf and you like 0:45:20.640 --> 0:45:22.640 the PGA Tour, and that's where you want to watch 0:45:22.680 --> 0:45:25.200 your golf, watch your golf on the PGA Tour. If 0:45:25.280 --> 0:45:27.759 you watch a live event and like it and want 0:45:27.800 --> 0:45:30.719 to watch it, watch it. But I got a news 0:45:30.760 --> 0:45:34.239 flash for you. You can do both. You can do both. 0:45:34.320 --> 0:45:37.800 There are great players playing on both of these tours, 0:45:38.080 --> 0:45:41.920 and hopefully twenty twenty three will have a little bit 0:45:42.040 --> 0:45:47.440 more less craziness and we get back to just talking 0:45:47.440 --> 0:45:51.120 about golf as opposed to constantly talking about this battle, 0:45:51.200 --> 0:45:53.680 because there are great players playing great golf on the 0:45:53.760 --> 0:45:56.600 PGA Tour, there are great players playing great golf on 0:45:56.760 --> 0:46:01.359 live and maybe there's an argument to be made that golf, 0:46:01.920 --> 0:46:04.719 as crazy as it sounds, maybe we can get it 0:46:04.760 --> 0:46:07.080 back to being in a good place in twenty twenty three. 0:46:07.200 --> 0:46:10.560 I think if cooler heads prevail, there's a better chance 0:46:10.600 --> 0:46:14.320 of that than it not happening. And I hope there's 0:46:14.320 --> 0:46:17.400 a day to where you know, the aggressiveness and the 0:46:17.520 --> 0:46:20.799 animosity on both sides subsides, and we can just talk 0:46:20.880 --> 0:46:23.960 about how great golf is and how great these players are, 0:46:24.160 --> 0:46:26.360 because I'm lucky enough to work with some of the 0:46:26.400 --> 0:46:28.200 best players in the world. And I've done that on 0:46:28.280 --> 0:46:30.799 the PGA Tour, I've done on the European Tour, I've 0:46:30.880 --> 0:46:34.200 done that now on the Live Tour. And golf is golf, 0:46:34.480 --> 0:46:39.160 and anybody that thinks of where you're playing, the game 0:46:39.400 --> 0:46:42.040 is the game. And hopefully in twenty twenty three we 0:46:42.120 --> 0:46:46.279 can focus more on golf less on all of the craziness. 0:46:46.560 --> 0:46:49.840 Son of a Buich comes to you every Wednesday. 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