Speaker 1: Let's see. Son of a Bunch podcast comes to you
Speaker 1: every Wednesday. I'm your host, Claude Harmon. This week's guest
Speaker 1: PJA Tour rookie Eric Cole, came so close to getting
Speaker 1: his first PJA Tour victory at the Honda while losing
Speaker 1: out in a playoff to Chris Kirk. Had a wicked
Speaker 1: lipout on the first playoff hole, but wanted to get
Speaker 1: him on and kind of talk about his journey. Very
Speaker 1: much a late bloomer, he's thirty four years old, but
Speaker 1: I think it's a great opportunity to listen to someone
Speaker 1: who's kind of been through everything that you can kind
Speaker 1: of go through in the game of golf. You know,
Speaker 1: you're trying to play professionally, you're trying to make as
Speaker 1: much money as possible, get off those mini tours, and
Speaker 1: he has managed to do that. Really excited for everyone
Speaker 1: to hear that. But before we get to the interview,
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Speaker 1: And now let's get to the interview. So Eric, um,
Speaker 1: it's been a hell of a couple of weeks for you. Um,
Speaker 1: you know you got your PGA Tour card. You miss.
Speaker 1: I think the first four cuts in the fall, and
Speaker 1: I mean as a rookie coming off the corn Ferry
Speaker 1: that puts you behind the eight ball early. Did you
Speaker 1: feel pressure and I mean did the start kind of
Speaker 1: make you kind of freak out a little or were
Speaker 1: you just like, listen, it's a long season. I know
Speaker 1: my game is good. Um, what's that? What's that start? Like? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean it's it's definitely a bigger environment
Speaker 1: and everything than the corn Ferry Tour. But you know,
Speaker 1: I even though I missed a lot of those cuts,
Speaker 1: I actually played pretty well. Two of them I missed
Speaker 1: by one, um, and I felt pretty good about my
Speaker 1: game as a whole. I just didn't score all that well.
Speaker 1: And I had a couple like weird things. I had
Speaker 1: COVID for the first tournament in Napa, and then I
Speaker 1: had had my club stolen in Vegas in front of
Speaker 1: the hotel, so back window broken out in clubs just
Speaker 1: jacked right out of the back windows. So you know,
Speaker 1: a couple of weird things like that. But I, like
Speaker 1: I said, I felt good about my game overall, So
Speaker 1: I was kind of just under the mindset that eventually
Speaker 1: the title kind of turn a little bit. That's a
Speaker 1: tough I mean, a rookie on the PGA tour, you're
Speaker 1: trying to play good early your clubs gets so I mean,
Speaker 1: was that during the was that at night? Was that
Speaker 1: in the morning. It was at three pm in the
Speaker 1: afternoon at the JW. Marriott in Vegas in Summerland, So
Speaker 1: it was very unusual. You know, they had some video
Speaker 1: of the guys, you know, breaking into it, but nothing
Speaker 1: ever really came of it with the cops. But I do.
Speaker 1: It's kind of a crazy thing. I had a girl
Speaker 1: messaged me on Instagram like a month or two after
Speaker 1: and she said, I just moved into a new house
Speaker 1: and your clubs are sitting in my garage. So then
Speaker 1: sound like, yeah, you know, I'd like to have him
Speaker 1: if you don't mind. So he drove them from her
Speaker 1: house to TPC Summerland, and then the pro there sent
Speaker 1: them to my house. So I actually got him back
Speaker 1: and everything everything was in there except my tour credential
Speaker 1: was it was stolen. But so so there's somebody else
Speaker 1: trying to get into family dining with your tour credential potentially, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I might have to have security lookout for them. I mean,
Speaker 1: the story, I mean, it is an amazing story. I mean,
Speaker 1: you're thirty four years old. I mean definitely, um, not
Speaker 1: the norm for PGA Tour rookies. Um, I mean we
Speaker 1: both live in South Florida. The minor league where you
Speaker 1: played a lot fifty how many fifty four wins in
Speaker 1: the minor league. Yeah, I'm not sure exactly what it is.
Speaker 1: I I it's up there somewhere though. Um, that is
Speaker 1: a that is a huge kind of stepping stone for
Speaker 1: a lot of players. I mean, I mean if you
Speaker 1: live in South Florida, Um, a lot of good players
Speaker 1: come off that tour. Brooks Kepta his brother played there.
Speaker 1: A bunch of guys, Chrispin Tour has played. I mean,
Speaker 1: guys play that. Um. Obviously there's no substitute for winning,
Speaker 1: and I work with a bunch of you know, kids
Speaker 1: that are on that tour. How important do you feel
Speaker 1: like the minor league has been for your development? I
Speaker 1: think it's definitely been important. You know. You you one
Speaker 1: thing about that they do mostly one and two day events,
Speaker 1: and when you play a lot of one and two
Speaker 1: day events, you you have a chance to win a
Speaker 1: lot of tournaments and you kind of get in this
Speaker 1: mindset of you know, they have like a live leader
Speaker 1: board that you can look at and you get in
Speaker 1: this mindset of you know, Okay, I I to win
Speaker 1: this tournament, I have to birdie three the last five,
Speaker 1: or I have to birdie the last two or whatever
Speaker 1: it is. And I think just getting that, whether it's
Speaker 1: pressure or you know, expectation on yourself and then kind
Speaker 1: of seeing yourself do it every once in a while,
Speaker 1: I think it's really uh it kind of sets you
Speaker 1: set you up well for you know, four day tournaments
Speaker 1: or whether guys are going to go out and do
Speaker 1: Monday qualifiers. Like I think it's really good prep as
Speaker 1: a whole. And golf in South Florida, as you know,
Speaker 1: is really strong. And even though you haven't heard of
Speaker 1: a lot of the guys out there, um, you know,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of good players. Most of the purses
Speaker 1: right around a thousand, maybe fifteen hundred bucks, and then
Speaker 1: you finish second at the Honda and you make almost
Speaker 1: a million. My I guess my question is because I
Speaker 1: get I have so many players that are trying to
Speaker 1: do what you're you're doing right. They have a dream,
Speaker 1: they play a high school golf, they play college golf,
Speaker 1: and I don't think the average golf fan realizes I mean,
Speaker 1: they were only seeing when they're watching the PGA Tour
Speaker 1: on Sundays and they're watching you know, like last weekend
Speaker 1: bay Hill. I mean you're seeing some of the best
Speaker 1: players in the world, so it all looks normal. You know,
Speaker 1: Jordan Speech didn't have to struggle. M he just went
Speaker 1: you know, Matt Woll for eight rounds into his PGA
Speaker 1: Tour career, he wins a PGA Tour event, right, and
Speaker 1: he was we were we were at a tournament um
Speaker 1: last last week, the live tournament. We were talking about
Speaker 1: we're in a practice round and were talking about guys
Speaker 1: were talking about yeah when they went to the European
Speaker 1: Tour and Brooks was talking about travel. He and Peter
Speaker 1: the struggle early and Matt Wolfe was like, I love
Speaker 1: hearing these stories because I didn't have any of that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I won my second tournament out. But the
Speaker 1: road is so long the minor league from playing you know,
Speaker 1: Mini tour golf, then you go to corn Ferry and
Speaker 1: then you go to the PGA Tour. What is the difference,
Speaker 1: would you say? Because I'm always saying the players listen,
Speaker 1: it's golf, right, and you know that it is golf.
Speaker 1: Golf is wherever you're playing it. Yes, the stage on
Speaker 1: the PGA Tour is bigger, there's more fans, But does
Speaker 1: that kind of do a mind trick on you to
Speaker 1: make you think that it's just not the same, because
Speaker 1: I think everybody is trying to work their way to
Speaker 1: that's trying to play competitive golf. Everybody wants to play
Speaker 1: the PGA Tour, and I think some of it is
Speaker 1: as much at times they struggle mentally as they technique
Speaker 1: or physically. Yeah, no, I agree. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: the golf ball doesn't know the difference whether you're out
Speaker 1: with your buddies playing a minor league or it's the
Speaker 1: last all the PGA Tour events. So there's definitely some
Speaker 1: truth to that, and you know there's there's definitely a
Speaker 1: The biggest change, it's just like the depth, right, So
Speaker 1: you know when you play minor leagues that the top
Speaker 1: five guys are really good. A lot of them have
Speaker 1: had success in the past and are just playing coming
Speaker 1: back from an injury or just because they're in town
Speaker 1: or something, so that the top as you go down
Speaker 1: is almost always still pretty strong, especially in South Florida.
Speaker 1: But you know, like the depth might fall off a
Speaker 1: little bit when you get into minor league, and then
Speaker 1: you know it gets stronger when you get into the
Speaker 1: corn Ferry Tour, like all those guys have kind of
Speaker 1: proven themselves in college or Q school or past seasons
Speaker 1: out there, and then you know, the PGA Tour is
Speaker 1: just like another step up from there where you know
Speaker 1: the back end is just you know, like a little
Speaker 1: bit deeper, a little bit more accomplished players that are
Speaker 1: have more experience, but that you know, to to win
Speaker 1: at any level of professional golf, you know, you you
Speaker 1: have to play some great golf and you have to
Speaker 1: you know, battle with a little bit of mental stuff
Speaker 1: or a little bit you know, not having your best
Speaker 1: stuff and getting the most out of it. So you know,
Speaker 1: winning is good at any level. And I think it
Speaker 1: definitely kind of u is a good pattern to get into,
Speaker 1: you know, whether it's junior golf or professional golf at
Speaker 1: a lower level. Like when you start to win, you
Speaker 1: start to gain confidence and you start to feel more comfortable.
Speaker 1: Is there anybody so you come out on tour, m
Speaker 1: is there anyone you've been star struck by where you've
Speaker 1: walked past them while they're on the driving range and
Speaker 1: kind of had that you know whoa I mean, that
Speaker 1: guy's like I play now. I mean, it's like being
Speaker 1: in the NBA, right and you've never you've never seen
Speaker 1: Lebron before and all of a sudden you go up
Speaker 1: against him. I mean, is there an element of of
Speaker 1: being star struck in or there any players that you
Speaker 1: like bay Hill last week you're playing against, you know
Speaker 1: right now some of the best players on the planet.
Speaker 1: Did you see anybody last week that you hadn't seen
Speaker 1: before kind of go and you kind of went, Wow,
Speaker 1: there he is. Yeah, I mean I think you have
Speaker 1: a little bit of that for sure, you know, like
Speaker 1: warming up, Like I get there a little bit early,
Speaker 1: and I'm at the back of most of the waves
Speaker 1: tea time wise, so a lot of the like big
Speaker 1: name players are just finishing their warm up and you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, I I uh, you know, hit ball is
Speaker 1: next to a bunch of guys that are you know,
Speaker 1: always on TV and playing great golf. And but the
Speaker 1: cool thing is a lot of them kind of you know,
Speaker 1: I think because a lot of them didn't play the
Speaker 1: Honda because of the designate events before and after I
Speaker 1: had a bunch of people who you know, are big
Speaker 1: names that I've never really met come up to me
Speaker 1: and say like, hey man, we watched you or you know,
Speaker 1: like you looked good and we're you know, like happy
Speaker 1: you played well and stuff. So that was kind of cool.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like now, after everything you've been through,
Speaker 1: that you've arrived, that there's that moment where you say, Okay,
Speaker 1: I've been trying to do this. I'm somewhat of a
Speaker 1: late bloomer. I'm thirty four years old. This has always
Speaker 1: been my dream and having a big finish. You had
Speaker 1: a chance to win, you lost in a playoff in
Speaker 1: a you know, on a really difficult golf of course.
Speaker 1: How many times have you played PGA National. I'm sure
Speaker 1: you've played it, not that much or a lot. I've
Speaker 1: played a couple of minor league events there and then
Speaker 1: I've probably played it maybe ten other times just over
Speaker 1: the years living in the area, so I've probably played
Speaker 1: it around twenty times, I'd say, so. I wouldn't say
Speaker 1: I have a whole lot of course knowledge, but it
Speaker 1: was you know, it's a home event. So that was nice.
Speaker 1: So the obvious question at thirty four, you've been trying
Speaker 1: to do this, you caddied, I mean I read you
Speaker 1: caddied for Sam Saunders, Arnie's grandson. I mean what years
Speaker 1: did you caddy for Sam and how long did you
Speaker 1: do that? Yeah, I caddied for him kind of in
Speaker 1: two different little spurts. I caddied for him in like
Speaker 1: twenty twelve was probably the biggest. I probably did like
Speaker 1: five or six months in twenty twelve where he I
Speaker 1: think he was playing corn Ferry Tour, but he got
Speaker 1: some spots in PGA Tour events with sponsors exemptions, So
Speaker 1: I probably caddied for him for five months then. And
Speaker 1: then I also caddied for him in like twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1: I was coming back from a back injury, and I
Speaker 1: was kind of like his coach caddy for a few
Speaker 1: months for like six months or so. So I did
Speaker 1: like the Florida Swing with him, like kind of trying
Speaker 1: to help him with his game as much as I could,
Speaker 1: and caddied Honda Bay Hill players for him that year.
Speaker 1: So what is caddying for a player on the PGA
Speaker 1: Tour teach you about playing on the PGA Tour that
Speaker 1: you took to your own game, Because I'm sure I
Speaker 1: mean that that's got to be an invaluable tool for
Speaker 1: you because obviously you're trying to play, he's trying to play.
Speaker 1: You're on the back, so you're on the other side
Speaker 1: of it. Um, did you take anything from those caddying
Speaker 1: experiences that you feel like you took with you? Yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure. I'd say. The one thing is like the
Speaker 1: top players, you know, like you can you can really
Speaker 1: see the difference between the top let's say twenty in
Speaker 1: the world. Sam didn't necessarily play with any of them
Speaker 1: when I was cattying, but you could just see the
Speaker 1: difference in the game, the way they hit the ball.
Speaker 1: You know, their their preparation is a little different. But
Speaker 1: so those guys I could kind of tell like separated
Speaker 1: themselves and also almost on the opposite spectrum, like you know,
Speaker 1: the line between let's say fiftieth in the world and
Speaker 1: that might be a little too low, like seventieth in
Speaker 1: the world and two hundredth in the world is unbelievably fine.
Speaker 1: So I felt like, you know, Sam was having a
Speaker 1: decent year or had a decent year of the year
Speaker 1: before something like that, and you know, like just this
Speaker 1: separation between those guys that are around you know, one
Speaker 1: twenty five or one hundred or one fifty, Like the
Speaker 1: line is just so unbelievably thin to separate those guys,
Speaker 1: and I felt like, you know, everyone's kind of trying
Speaker 1: to look for that little edge to kind of make
Speaker 1: that little bit of a difference to whether it's keep
Speaker 1: your card or randomly have a great week and win.
Speaker 1: So that that was, you know, I kind of thought
Speaker 1: that I knew that, but to see it up close
Speaker 1: and personal was definitely a little eye opening. Let's take
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Speaker 1: So what do you think it took you longer than
Speaker 1: it's taken other people. I mean, I mean you've had
Speaker 1: some injuries, Addison's disease. I know that's something that that
Speaker 1: you fight that makes it hard for you to put
Speaker 1: on weight, is it correct? Yeah, I mean it's a
Speaker 1: it's a bunch of stuff. You typically lose weight pretty
Speaker 1: quickly if you don't take the right medication pretty much.
Speaker 1: I'm also a Type one diabetics, So that was that
Speaker 1: was a little bit of a setback starting and then uh,
Speaker 1: like for me, it was just Q school was really
Speaker 1: hard for me for like five or six years. Like
Speaker 1: I you talk about mini tour golf. I played a
Speaker 1: lot of really good, high level mini tour golf for
Speaker 1: you know, most of the year, and then I would
Speaker 1: get to Q School and there would just be like
Speaker 1: a little bit of a performance block. Like I I
Speaker 1: think that like I just put a lot of expectations
Speaker 1: on myself, Like you know, like I would I would
Speaker 1: have a good Mini Tour year and win a lot
Speaker 1: of tournaments and you know, beat a lot of guys
Speaker 1: who have had success, and I thought, you know, like
Speaker 1: this should be something that's easy for me. And then
Speaker 1: when it didn't go well, like that, really uh like
Speaker 1: that inability to perform in the situation that one week
Speaker 1: or two weeks in Q school at first or second
Speaker 1: stage was something that took a while for me to
Speaker 1: get over. And you know, for whatever reason and that
Speaker 1: it was, it was a slow moving process. Is it
Speaker 1: hard when you go through that too? Because I'm on
Speaker 1: the other side of it, right, I'm on the coaching
Speaker 1: side of it, the instructor side of it. When you have,
Speaker 1: like you said, you're you're doing all the right things.
Speaker 1: You're playing on a mini tour, you're having success, you're winning,
Speaker 1: you're seeing progress, and you know, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: people you know at somebody, Oh, I'm sure you've played
Speaker 1: a ton of golf with who's kind of a mini
Speaker 1: tour legend down here for the minor league, Sonny Kim.
Speaker 1: I mean, Sonny's in the same boat, right, Sonny is
Speaker 1: like a legit, legit player, and my trainer M Pierre.
Speaker 1: So Pierre was telling me he's played a lot of
Speaker 1: mind and he always says, bro Sonny like lights it up.
Speaker 1: And every time he goes to Q school he struggles
Speaker 1: is do you think do you think it? Like you said,
Speaker 1: is it performance? Is it anxiety? Is it mental? Because obviously,
Speaker 1: if you're winning, I mean, I don't care. My dad
Speaker 1: always says, so, I don't care where it is, I
Speaker 1: don't care what tournament course conditions. If you're if you're
Speaker 1: winning and you're winning at a good rate, that is
Speaker 1: going to translate eventually. Yeah, I kind of agree with
Speaker 1: that sentiment. But for me, it was just, you know,
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, there was like a little bit, I
Speaker 1: think in my case, there was a little bit of
Speaker 1: two high expectations that I put on myself. Like I
Speaker 1: went to first stage and I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: this should be something that's very easy for me to
Speaker 1: get through. Everyone that I play against, I feel like
Speaker 1: I'm as good or better. It's the same guys at
Speaker 1: first stage that played mini tour golf all year round.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, this should be something that I
Speaker 1: should just be able to breeze through. And then for
Speaker 1: whatever reason, it was just like a little bit of
Speaker 1: a speed bump and instead of having a you know,
Speaker 1: don't worry about it, it's one round or one nine holes.
Speaker 1: At the beginning of Q School, I was kind of like,
Speaker 1: you know, am I going to be able to do this?
Speaker 1: Is this something that I can get through? You know,
Speaker 1: like you start to doubt yourself a little bit, and
Speaker 1: you start to feel like, you know, like maybe it's
Speaker 1: not meant to be type of thing, and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: Sonny is a great player. I've put a lot of
Speaker 1: mini tour golf with him over the years and he
Speaker 1: is so unbelievably good. So I mean, I think I
Speaker 1: think it's one of those things where you just have
Speaker 1: to figure out what works for you. And it's probably
Speaker 1: different for every player, but for me, it was kind
Speaker 1: of giving myself a little bit of a break and saying,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't I don't have to You don't
Speaker 1: have to win Q School. You don't have to you know,
Speaker 1: prove to everybody how much better you are than them.
Speaker 1: You could just play good, solid, consistent golf and you know,
Speaker 1: if if your games at the level it should be,
Speaker 1: then you should be able to get through. And that
Speaker 1: was took me a while to realize that as a
Speaker 1: rookie you're learning a lot of new courses. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know there's courses on the PGA Tour that you've
Speaker 1: never played before. Is it a fair comment having come
Speaker 1: off the corn Ferry, Um, you finish I think third
Speaker 1: at the tour champion at their their kind of season
Speaker 1: ending tournament of championship, how much more difficult or the
Speaker 1: golf course is, because I mean last week bay Hill?
Speaker 1: I mean do you do you play golf courses like
Speaker 1: that on the corn Ferry that are set up like that?
Speaker 1: Now like bay Hill? I mean the biggest difference is
Speaker 1: like the firmness and fastness of the green. So you know,
Speaker 1: on the corn Ferry Tour you play a lot of
Speaker 1: actually really good courses tea green. But you know, for
Speaker 1: whatever reason, whether it's the course set up or the
Speaker 1: time of year that we go there, Um, you know,
Speaker 1: like the courses just placed so much slower so that
Speaker 1: the ball in the fairway isn't hitting and running. So
Speaker 1: when you're hitting into like dog like part fours, uh
Speaker 1: dog led right and left part four is you know,
Speaker 1: like the ball is just hitting and stopping. So it's
Speaker 1: a lot easier to hit in the fairway and then
Speaker 1: hitting into the green. If you do hit it in
Speaker 1: the rough, the rough flower and the greens are more receptive.
Speaker 1: So you kind of just have like this three tier
Speaker 1: thing of the course being slower, the rough being down,
Speaker 1: and the greens being just softer that it makes it
Speaker 1: to where the scores are lower. So you know, it's
Speaker 1: it's definitely a different environment. Yeah, and then obviously on
Speaker 1: the corn Ferry you can go out on Thursday and
Speaker 1: shoot to under and being almost last place. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: there's a lot there's there are, I mean, there are
Speaker 1: a lot of easy courses we play on the corn
Speaker 1: Ferry Tour too, Like they're not all difficult, but you know,
Speaker 1: it's mostly set up like I said that everything is
Speaker 1: just so much softer and slower, and you know you
Speaker 1: can just get away with more like making like short
Speaker 1: siding yourself on the corn Ferry Tour in general isn't
Speaker 1: that big of a deal, you know, like you can
Speaker 1: you can kind of get something up there where you
Speaker 1: have a five foot or for par last week at
Speaker 1: bay Hill, if you short side yourself, I mean you're
Speaker 1: looking at like a good shot is like twenty or
Speaker 1: thirty feet, So all of a sudden, those shots into
Speaker 1: the greens, although there might not be water on some
Speaker 1: of them, they turn into penalty shots if you miss
Speaker 1: a green. So it's just it's just more demanding as
Speaker 1: a whole. Yeah, and I think that the golf courses, yeah,
Speaker 1: from a shape, I've heard that before that guys say, listen,
Speaker 1: the conditions are t degreen are fun, but the green complexes. Um,
Speaker 1: do you feel like one of your strengths in talking
Speaker 1: to a lot of people that know you well, is
Speaker 1: short game? Right? You're not going to be a bomber,
Speaker 1: You're not going to hit it up with you know
Speaker 1: some of the guys on tour. Do you feel like
Speaker 1: short game is where you can really really excel. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean typically, like you said, it typically is one
Speaker 1: of my strengths. So you know, it's it's tricky because
Speaker 1: as the rough gets up, you know, like the skill
Speaker 1: of short game shots and I think goes down a
Speaker 1: little bit because everyone's kind of just hacking it out
Speaker 1: of the rough and trying to get it to, you know,
Speaker 1: as close as they can for par But you know,
Speaker 1: there's certain courses out here where they have a lot
Speaker 1: of shaved areas and stuff, and I think that kind
Speaker 1: of helps you make up some shots on the field
Speaker 1: around the greens. So like this week, I think at
Speaker 1: the players there's I noticed today there's a lot of
Speaker 1: like you know, first cut and closely mown areas around
Speaker 1: versus last time when I was here candy for Sam
Speaker 1: and I think I mentioned to my caddy, I think
Speaker 1: it's a really good move because when you do miss
Speaker 1: a green, it's it's kind of inviting a little bit
Speaker 1: of skill set into the short game shots like what
Speaker 1: shots are you choosing, you know, versus just the hack
Speaker 1: and out of the ruff to twenty feet. Yeah. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of the people listening and
Speaker 1: people that watch golf realize that when you do get
Speaker 1: that kind of us open Bay hill, that really really
Speaker 1: thick thick ruff, that there really are no options, right,
Speaker 1: there's no imagination. Your your technique, if you've got a
Speaker 1: great technique, if you can spin it, if you can
Speaker 1: go up in trajectories. The runoff areas at TPC Sawgrass,
Speaker 1: I think are some of the hardest to navigate, But
Speaker 1: it also allows you to be really, really creative. Have
Speaker 1: you always had a great short game and is part
Speaker 1: of it what part of it would you say is
Speaker 1: your technique? Which part of it would you say is
Speaker 1: kind of your creativity, that kind of special sauce that
Speaker 1: you know. I mean on tour, everybody's short games are
Speaker 1: pretty good. You can't make it. You can't make it
Speaker 1: to the PGA Tour and be bad at short game.
Speaker 1: But then there are the you know, the elite of
Speaker 1: the elite, the Jason Days, the Patrick Reeds, Jordan Tiger
Speaker 1: in the day. Are you a blend? Is it technique
Speaker 1: or is it execution and kind of finesse. I think
Speaker 1: it's a blend for sure. I think for anybody, you know,
Speaker 1: I growing up in Florida, you know, like you deal
Speaker 1: with a lot of grain, a ton of grain, and
Speaker 1: so I think naturally just learn to kind of chip
Speaker 1: out of some like rough lies and uh, you know
Speaker 1: lies that aren't that easy for people that aren't from Florida.
Speaker 1: So I think that probably helped me, especially with the
Speaker 1: creativity and kind of using you know, just your sixty
Speaker 1: degree in different ways and kind of learning different shots
Speaker 1: to hit with it. Um, But yeah, it's it's I'd
Speaker 1: say it's a blend of technique and you know, it's
Speaker 1: definitely as you get closer to green, the uh you know,
Speaker 1: like the field side and the artistic side of golf
Speaker 1: definitely become more important. I mean, you were, you were
Speaker 1: hooping it from everywhere at Honda. I mean, so what
Speaker 1: was different about Honda that week? Because I'm always fascinated
Speaker 1: with players in talking to them about the weeks they
Speaker 1: win or the weeks they have chances to win. What's
Speaker 1: different and how can you access that more often? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a great question. I had three really good days
Speaker 1: of ball striking. I don't know the stats really showed it,
Speaker 1: just because you know, Honda, you have those those really
Speaker 1: tough shots like you know five and six and fifteen
Speaker 1: and seventeen where you know you're not really trying to
Speaker 1: hit it close to the hole on most of those.
Speaker 1: So the stats didn't really say that I had a
Speaker 1: great ball striking week. But I hit the ball where
Speaker 1: I was aiming a lot in the right distance the
Speaker 1: first three days, So that was that was huge, And
Speaker 1: then I think that helped with my I didn't have
Speaker 1: a great ball striking day the last round, but that
Speaker 1: helped with my comfort going into the last round. Like
Speaker 1: I think I felt a lot more comfortable than maybe
Speaker 1: I might have anticipated feeling, just because my confidence was
Speaker 1: high from the first three days ball striking wise, and then,
Speaker 1: like you said, I did make my fair share of
Speaker 1: huts on the last day, so that was that was
Speaker 1: very welcome. I was happy to see that. Obviously, you
Speaker 1: play professional golf to win. Everybody wants to win tournaments.
Speaker 1: Going into Sunday at the Honda, when in the round,
Speaker 1: did you kind of know, Okay, I have a legit.
Speaker 1: I mean it's not now, Okay, if I shoot sixty
Speaker 1: four today, I could post something. When did you kind
Speaker 1: of have that moment to where you're like, okay, I am.
Speaker 1: I am in the room now, and there's only about
Speaker 1: five people that can win this golf tournament, and I'm
Speaker 1: one of them. Yeah, I'd say probably maybe eleven. I
Speaker 1: birdied eleven, which is which is I think is one
Speaker 1: of the hardest holes on that golf course. We got.
Speaker 1: We got lucky where it was. It's got pretty firm
Speaker 1: and it was downwind. So my t shot I didn't.
Speaker 1: I only hit five wood and I kind of pushed
Speaker 1: it down there where I could hit a pitching legend.
Speaker 1: So that was helpful to that pin for sure. But
Speaker 1: when I birdied eleven, I think I got within one
Speaker 1: and you know, like we hadn't really separated ourselves, but
Speaker 1: I think, you know, like there was a little bit
Speaker 1: of room behind us, maybe two shots, and you know,
Speaker 1: at that point I was like, Okay, you know, you're
Speaker 1: you're you're right in the middle of this. If if
Speaker 1: you just keep doing what you're doing, you know, you
Speaker 1: never know what's going to happen by the time we
Speaker 1: get to you know, eighteen or seventeen or something. So
Speaker 1: the sports psychologists always say take one shot at a time,
Speaker 1: But all of a sudden, you birdie eleven and you
Speaker 1: look at you look at a leaderboard and you're like, okay,
Speaker 1: is it hard? And were you able to stay in
Speaker 1: the moment or like you said in the past, was
Speaker 1: the expectation of what you an opportunity? Did you go
Speaker 1: back into that or did you stay in kind of
Speaker 1: just one shot at a time? Yeah, No, I felt
Speaker 1: really good, so I definitely stayed in one shot at
Speaker 1: a time. You know, one good thing about playing the
Speaker 1: Honda is at the champ those shots are so hard
Speaker 1: on the you know, like once you get to fourteen,
Speaker 1: every shot is you know, very difficult shot, so it's
Speaker 1: hard to get too far ahead of yourself because you know,
Speaker 1: the shot that's right in front of you is kind
Speaker 1: of like a make or break shot. So I think,
Speaker 1: you know, I think that's a fortunate thing about the Honda,
Speaker 1: where you're not like looking up where oh, you know,
Speaker 1: sixteens and easy birdie or seventeens and easy bird like,
Speaker 1: those holes are pretty hard, so you're just focusing on
Speaker 1: hitting a good shot right in front of you. And uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I had a lot of family and friends
Speaker 1: out there kind of yeah, Allen and keeping me in it,
Speaker 1: so you know, it goes pretty easy to stay in
Speaker 1: the moment because it was so much fun. I didn't
Speaker 1: really want to get ahead of myself because of how
Speaker 1: cool this whole environment was, is it. I often think
Speaker 1: that a lot of players, when they get in situations
Speaker 1: like that, it's not fun. They don't see it as
Speaker 1: fun and it hurts them and thinking, Okay, I've got
Speaker 1: a chance to win a PGA Tour event, my family's here,
Speaker 1: I'm going to go out and enjoy as much of
Speaker 1: this as I possibly can. That sounds easy to do,
Speaker 1: but it also seems like it should be easy to
Speaker 1: do because I mean at the end, at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, it's it's golf, right, I mean, that's
Speaker 1: that's yeah, No, I mean it's it's I mean, I
Speaker 1: could understand if you get in that position, then you
Speaker 1: get off to a really bad start and there's all
Speaker 1: those people around and you're really having a bad day
Speaker 1: where it cannot be a lot of fun. But you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, I played a lot of golf all over
Speaker 1: the place, and I've never really had an experience quite
Speaker 1: like that in that environment, and it's it's something that
Speaker 1: it's it's almost like a little bit like a drug.
Speaker 1: Like I've never done any real drugs in my life,
Speaker 1: but I just feel like like it was so exhilarating
Speaker 1: to be in that environment and have a chance to
Speaker 1: win that it's like it's addicting. It's like something that
Speaker 1: you kind of want to experience again and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: hopefully get a different result at the end. But you know,
Speaker 1: like it's it's it's just such a cool environment, like
Speaker 1: it really feels like you know, like you play a
Speaker 1: lot of golf where it's just you know, uh, the
Speaker 1: other guys you're playing with and ten people watching or
Speaker 1: twenty people watching, and it doesn't really have like a
Speaker 1: sports feel to it, And especially at the Honda like
Speaker 1: on seventeen, with like closed inn like you really do
Speaker 1: feel like you're in a like you're you're an athlete
Speaker 1: and a sporting event. And I think that was something that,
Speaker 1: like I said, I'd never had that experience on a
Speaker 1: golf course, and it was It's definitely addicting. I think
Speaker 1: everybody saw the putt you hit on eighteen, I mean
Speaker 1: a cruel lipout. If you had it to do over again,
Speaker 1: would you hit the same put did you? Was it
Speaker 1: the right read, the right speed? I mean, if you
Speaker 1: if if they took you back out there and said,
Speaker 1: all right, you can do this again and we'll give
Speaker 1: you the trophy, would you hit the exact would you
Speaker 1: do the exact same thing? I think I would just
Speaker 1: take a little pace off it. I think I just
Speaker 1: hit it barely too hard. You know, I wasn't going
Speaker 1: to stand in there and leave it short, so uh,
Speaker 1: you know, like I wanted to make sure. I wanted
Speaker 1: to make sure I hit a good put and gave
Speaker 1: it a chance. And I think I just gave it
Speaker 1: just you know, six inches too much speed, that it
Speaker 1: just didn't quite take the break. But did you think
Speaker 1: you'd made it halfway? Yeah? When I hit it, I
Speaker 1: hit a great pot, and you know I don't use
Speaker 1: a line on my ball, but I kind of put
Speaker 1: a line through the titleist, and you know, I saw
Speaker 1: it lead the putter and it was rolling end over end,
Speaker 1: and I was like, you know, I've been putting well
Speaker 1: all day, and you know, I definitely thought I made
Speaker 1: it halfway there. But as it got to the whole,
Speaker 1: like I kind of saw it was on the high side,
Speaker 1: and like I said, I think it just had maybe
Speaker 1: six inches too much pace to kind of take that
Speaker 1: little bit of break. We mentioned almost a million dollars. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, there's so much talk in professional golf about money.
Speaker 1: The live guys went for guaranteed money, UM talked to it.
Speaker 1: I don't think the average fan realizes because they only
Speaker 1: see the Netflix documentary and they see everybody flying around
Speaker 1: on a on a net jet and living in these
Speaker 1: giant mansions. Um. It's hard to make it in professional sports,
Speaker 1: but professional golf, I mean the money aspect of it.
Speaker 1: It's not easy, is it. Yeah? No, I mean we're
Speaker 1: talking about the minor league tour, like, I mean, you
Speaker 1: grind out tournaments and you know when six hundred bucks
Speaker 1: and stuff like that at a time. So it's it's
Speaker 1: you know, there's definitely a different side to what you
Speaker 1: see on TV as far as guys trying to make it. UM.
Speaker 1: But you know, it's it's it's worth the work once
Speaker 1: you get here. I'd say, you know, I mean, that's
Speaker 1: that's a lot of money and it's something that you know,
Speaker 1: I've worked really hard for. So but you know, it
Speaker 1: does take a lot of work for not I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess a lot of guys are straight out of
Speaker 1: college on the PGA tour, but in my case, it
Speaker 1: took a lot of time and a lot of work. Obviously,
Speaker 1: with the ever changing landscape of of the PGA tour, UM,
Speaker 1: it seems like, you know, different things are happening with
Speaker 1: regards to events. Um. This puts you in a really
Speaker 1: good position, um, because everybody wants to be one of
Speaker 1: these guys inside the top seventy to get into these big,
Speaker 1: you know, twenty million dollars no cut tournaments. Um. Do
Speaker 1: you feel a sense of a little bit of relief
Speaker 1: that some of the pressure he's taken off the other thing.
Speaker 1: Talk to me about the rerank. I don't think everybody
Speaker 1: realizes you get your PGA Tour card you're a rookie.
Speaker 1: But if you don't play well early, the amount of
Speaker 1: tournaments you get an opportunity to play in becomes pretty limited. Yeah, Like,
Speaker 1: so you know, getting your card is obviously a monumental thing.
Speaker 1: It's a great thing. But you know, when those fifty
Speaker 1: cards come out, you know, like where you stand on
Speaker 1: that list is pretty important just to start with as
Speaker 1: far as getting access to play tournaments. And then as
Speaker 1: you play, there's a kind of reshuffle within your category
Speaker 1: that kind of makes it to where you get in
Speaker 1: tournaments or not. And a lot of times in the
Speaker 1: corn ferry category, the field is kind of filled and
Speaker 1: it stops in that category somewhere, so the last man
Speaker 1: in might be the tenth guy on that reach shuffle list,
Speaker 1: or it might be the forty five guys. So as
Speaker 1: you play well, you move up your reshuffle list. And
Speaker 1: it's extremely important to have a good start. And like
Speaker 1: you mentioned at the beginning, I didn't get off to
Speaker 1: the best start, so there was a little bit of
Speaker 1: added you know, I'm not sure what the word is,
Speaker 1: but I was trying really hard to motivation, I guess,
Speaker 1: to try and get on that list and move my
Speaker 1: way up. Obviously, the big thing about somewhat being safe
Speaker 1: with FedEx cup points and money is your schedule changes
Speaker 1: a lot and you have a lot more opportunities to
Speaker 1: play in events that when you're not playing well and
Speaker 1: coming off to corn Ferry, you're you're just not going
Speaker 1: to get in? Are there tournaments now that you probably
Speaker 1: thought you wouldn't get into that you're legit thinking now, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have an opportunity to get into that tournament. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean the players will start right now. I most
Speaker 1: likely was not going to get into players. Um so
Speaker 1: that's that's definitely an added bonus and uh yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean it definitely changes, you know, as you as you
Speaker 1: do well, you get more options to play tournaments, and
Speaker 1: uh you know, uh, probably the rest side of it
Speaker 1: becomes as important as anything else. You know, like maybe
Speaker 1: whereas before you're looking like, man, I want to play
Speaker 1: in every tournament I can, and then as you do better,
Speaker 1: you almost want to be like, you know, is there
Speaker 1: a tournament I could take off because of these big
Speaker 1: tournaments I just played before? So you know, there's definitely
Speaker 1: a little bit of a shift there. But UM, you know,
Speaker 1: those are all good things as as you play good golf.
Speaker 1: Has the UM the quest for your autograph UM gone
Speaker 1: up in a two week span? Have you noticed that
Speaker 1: people now notice who you are a little bit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've definitely had a few more autograph requests. UM. You know,
Speaker 1: like some of the people in the crowd out and
Speaker 1: volunteer know my name. That's kind of nice. When I
Speaker 1: registered this morning, they knew who I was, which is
Speaker 1: a little unusual. Most of the time I have to
Speaker 1: say and spell my last name so they know where
Speaker 1: I am on the list. But yeah, no, it's been great.
Speaker 1: It's another one of those things that you know that
Speaker 1: comes with good golf. And I'm really trying hard to
Speaker 1: play good golf, so I'm I'm happy with all those
Speaker 1: other things that come with it. You mentioned having your
Speaker 1: family at Honda, your father Bobby Cole, your mom Laura Ball.
Speaker 1: I mean, they were both great players. They both played
Speaker 1: on the men's and women's side. I come from a
Speaker 1: similar background, as you chose to do the same thing
Speaker 1: that you know my dad did. You did the same. Um,
Speaker 1: how much of that is a blessing, and how much
Speaker 1: of that at times can be you know, a curse
Speaker 1: because it's I mean I struggled for that for a
Speaker 1: long time, the imposter syndrome to where you're like, am
Speaker 1: I really good enough to be out here? My dad
Speaker 1: it's like the greatest of all time and what I
Speaker 1: do and I'm trying to do what he does. I mean,
Speaker 1: did you go through any of that? Uh? Yeah, not
Speaker 1: not as much because, um, you know, like I feel
Speaker 1: like my parents had great careers and they were great players,
Speaker 1: but they weren't like, you know, like the very best.
Speaker 1: They weren't, you know, like my one of my best friends,
Speaker 1: Sam Saunders, and you know, I mean his grandpa's Honor Palmer.
Speaker 1: That's that's a different level of success. And there's a
Speaker 1: lot that comes with that, um, you know, both good
Speaker 1: and bad things. But I think in my case, I
Speaker 1: mostly got good things, you know, Like I don't really
Speaker 1: have a whole lot of you know, negatives or pressure
Speaker 1: that comes with it, because, like I said, my parents
Speaker 1: are are really well known in the golf world, but
Speaker 1: you know, they're not like, you know, someone walking down
Speaker 1: the street doesn't necessarily know who my mom or dad are,
Speaker 1: so I think, you know, it's it's been mostly positive
Speaker 1: and it hasn't really been a huge like pressure point
Speaker 1: me or anything. Lastly, what are the goals now? I mean,
Speaker 1: because have the goals changed from what you set out
Speaker 1: to do when you started last fall? And I mean
Speaker 1: do you feel like, Okay, I know I can win
Speaker 1: now because I'm one pot away from having an opportunity
Speaker 1: to to be a PGA Tour winner. Yeah. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'd say some of the goals are probably changing a
Speaker 1: little bit. But you know, in general, for me, like
Speaker 1: I really try and focus. It sounds like a little cliche,
Speaker 1: but I try and focus on like a you know,
Speaker 1: a process type of thing where my job is to
Speaker 1: just make sure that I'm in one of my goals
Speaker 1: when I write them down at the beginning of the year,
Speaker 1: is just to be fully prepared for every tournament. And
Speaker 1: I think like, if I'm fully prepared and you know,
Speaker 1: ready to kind of execute my golf to its highest ability,
Speaker 1: then you know, a lot of the accomplishment stuff kind
Speaker 1: of takes care of itself. And you know that's you know,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of guys that say that, but for me, um,
Speaker 1: you know, like it's it makes it so much easier
Speaker 1: for me to just focus on you know, as long
Speaker 1: as I have confidence in how I'm playing and my ability. Um,
Speaker 1: if I'm fully prepared to play every tournament, then I think,
Speaker 1: you know, the the other stuff should just kind of
Speaker 1: fall in line. Well, I'm excited. I think everybody's excited
Speaker 1: to see, um, what you do. And I mean and
Speaker 1: obviously the hard flex getting down on one knee and
Speaker 1: proposing to your longtime girlfriend at Pebble Beach during the
Speaker 1: at and t I mean, if you can win a tournament,
Speaker 1: I mean, this is I mean, this is storybook kind
Speaker 1: of first year on the PGA Tour. Yeah, it's been
Speaker 1: pretty cool. I mean, she's she's lucky, she's been able
Speaker 1: to come out a lot. And you know that week
Speaker 1: at Pebble for me was for us was it was
Speaker 1: a great week. And uh, you know it, I played
Speaker 1: well that week, but the truth is that was a
Speaker 1: great week whether I would have played well or not.
Speaker 1: So And you said you liked kind of the the
Speaker 1: atmosphere of lots of people. You're gonna get a big
Speaker 1: dose of that at seventeen at TPC. Just remember, it's
Speaker 1: a wedge all that water doesn't really mean anything. It's
Speaker 1: a wedge. Yeah that's true. Yeah, it's you probably wouldn't
Speaker 1: miss that green very out. You wouldn't see pros missing
Speaker 1: that green very often if it wasn't that atmosphere with
Speaker 1: water all around it, that's for sure. Well, best of luck.
Speaker 1: I know you're really busy, so thanks for taking time
Speaker 1: to talk and keep it going. Man, the winds are
Speaker 1: out there, go get them. Thanks, no worries, Thanks for
Speaker 1: having me on. So that was Eric Cole. And what
Speaker 1: a cool story, right? I mean this if this kid
Speaker 1: managed to get a victory on the PGA Tour this year.
Speaker 1: I mean, there are Cinderella stories, but then there are
Speaker 1: Cinderella stories. I mean, the guy gets engaged at Pebble Beach,
Speaker 1: miss is the first four cuts in the fall, almost
Speaker 1: wins his first PGA to event and what's a home
Speaker 1: game for him, and then goes from basically no status
Speaker 1: plan on many tours to if he could win a
Speaker 1: PGA Tour event. I think it would be an unbelievable story.
Speaker 1: Really glad that we got to talk to him, and
Speaker 1: I think there was some really really good stuff in there.
Speaker 1: If you're trying to play competitive golf. This is a
Speaker 1: good podcast because here's a kid that's kind of done
Speaker 1: it all and been at every level. So really glad
Speaker 1: that he came on and got to talk to him.
Speaker 1: Players Championship this week, the flagship event on the PGA Tour.
Speaker 1: Rory McElroy coming out today. I'm gonna use Rory's words.
Speaker 1: You guys can take from this what you want. The
Speaker 1: emergence of Live or the emergence of a competitor has
Speaker 1: been has been beneficial to everyone playing elite professional golf.
Speaker 1: And then he had John rom saying, yeah, a lot
Speaker 1: of the changes that are being made on the PGA
Speaker 1: Tour were as a result of Live. I think everybody
Speaker 1: knows that. I think it's been interesting to watch some
Speaker 1: of the people on the PGA Tour try and act
Speaker 1: like all the stuff that the Live guys were doing
Speaker 1: was just the devil and it was just completely detrimental.
Speaker 1: But it is forced the PGA Tour to make an
Speaker 1: enormous amount of changes. It is forced the PGA Tour
Speaker 1: to find an enormous amount of money. It's forced the
Speaker 1: PGA Tour to find a way to get an enormous
Speaker 1: amount of money to their best players. And anybody that
Speaker 1: thinks that this is being driven by not the players
Speaker 1: on the PGA Tour. I think the one thing that
Speaker 1: Live is done is it made everybody regardless of what
Speaker 1: side of this year on whether you play on Live
Speaker 1: and you went or whether you stayed on the PGA
Speaker 1: Tour and went, I think one of the things that
Speaker 1: it did. And I talked to a bunch of players
Speaker 1: last year before any of this happened, and I asked
Speaker 1: them what they thought, and they said, you know, the
Speaker 1: one thing that this is an opportunity is for the
Speaker 1: players to be recognized as having a voice. And so
Speaker 1: I have always been pro player. That's why I think
Speaker 1: that the best players world, regardless of where they play,
Speaker 1: should have the right and be able to make as
Speaker 1: much money as possible. And you know, the tour has
Speaker 1: tried to come out and say that it was trophies
Speaker 1: and it was legacy and now there's ten events, no cut,
Speaker 1: small fields, guaranteed money for ten events. If that sounds familiar,
Speaker 1: It certainly sounds familiar to me. Maybe if all of
Speaker 1: these guys at the top on the PGA Tour, if
Speaker 1: you've got Roy McElroy, who is basically the de facto
Speaker 1: spokesman of the PGA Tour. And you've got John rom
Speaker 1: the number one player in the world. If you've got
Speaker 1: them actually addressing and identifying the thousand pound elephant in
Speaker 1: the room and saying, yeah, we've made these changes because
Speaker 1: of what Live is done, then maybe there's an opportunity
Speaker 1: for coexistence to where the PGA Tour does their thing,
Speaker 1: Live does their thing. Maybe there's a way it somewhere
Speaker 1: down the road. I don't think it happens anytime soon.
Speaker 1: Maybe there's a way that players just stop being at
Speaker 1: war with each other. And I do not fundamentally believe
Speaker 1: why you have to pick and choose between Live or
Speaker 1: the PGA Tour. If you like golf and you like
Speaker 1: the PGA Tour, and that's where you want to watch
Speaker 1: your golf, watch your golf on the PGA Tour. If
Speaker 1: you watch a live event and like it and want
Speaker 1: to watch it, watch it. But I got a news
Speaker 1: flash for you. You can do both. You can do both.
Speaker 1: There are great players playing on both of these tours,
Speaker 1: and hopefully twenty twenty three will have a little bit
Speaker 1: more less craziness and we get back to just talking
Speaker 1: about golf as opposed to constantly talking about this battle,
Speaker 1: because there are great players playing great golf on the
Speaker 1: PGA Tour, there are great players playing great golf on
Speaker 1: live and maybe there's an argument to be made that golf,
Speaker 1: as crazy as it sounds, maybe we can get it
Speaker 1: back to being in a good place in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1: I think if cooler heads prevail, there's a better chance
Speaker 1: of that than it not happening. And I hope there's
Speaker 1: a day to where you know, the aggressiveness and the
Speaker 1: animosity on both sides subsides, and we can just talk
Speaker 1: about how great golf is and how great these players are,
Speaker 1: because I'm lucky enough to work with some of the
Speaker 1: best players in the world. And I've done that on
Speaker 1: the PGA Tour, I've done on the European Tour, I've
Speaker 1: done that now on the Live Tour. And golf is golf,
Speaker 1: and anybody that thinks of where you're playing, the game
Speaker 1: is the game. And hopefully in twenty twenty three we
Speaker 1: can focus more on golf less on all of the craziness.
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