1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 1: All right, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show Years in 2 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:09,559 Speaker 1: the Bonus with Doug Gottlieb. 3 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:12,960 Speaker 2: What Up Doug Gottlieb Show in the Bonus Fox Sports Radio, 4 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:19,280 Speaker 2: iHeartRadio app Welcome in. I'm going to say something in 5 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 2: the pod which has not been said yet on radio 6 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 2: or I'm aware on podcast. So I was in my 7 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 2: office today and everybody in Green Bay is just crestfallen 8 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 2: because in addition to losing last night's game against the 9 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 2: Denver Broncos, they lost Michael Parsons for the year with 10 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 2: the torn ACL and you know Watson's out as well. 11 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 2: You know, there's a lot there just feels like there's 12 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 2: gonna be too many injuries for this backer team to overcome. 13 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 2: But the part that no one has mentioned is, remember 14 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 2: all the discussion about turf and how turf leads the 15 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 2: more injury, and Turf is the reason guys tear the 16 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 2: RACL and Turf is the devil, and Turf needs to go. 17 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 2: So yesterday I'm watching the Broncos game and parsons knee 18 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 2: pretty obviously hyper extends, and you know it's an injury, 19 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:19,679 Speaker 2: and if you're on social media, soon you learn that 20 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:23,839 Speaker 2: it's an ACL which has been confirmed today. And then 21 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 2: you're watching Pat Mahomes and you watch his knee and 22 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 2: you realize why the reports are what they are, and 23 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 2: ultimately you circle back to Parsons and Mahomes were both hurt, 24 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 2: they both tore their knee, and they're both on grass. 25 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 2: Football is an unbelievably dangerous sport. Yes, there's more achilles 26 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 2: and injuries than we've ever had before. 27 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 3: Now we're on the knee injuries. 28 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 2: And who wins the Super Bowl generally is the team 29 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 2: that is talented, is well coached, but is also the healthiest, 30 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 2: which would count out the Packers. And obviously the Chiefs 31 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 2: aren't going to the playoffs. That's the big thing that 32 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 2: happened this weekend, the Chiefs being eliminated from the playoffs, 33 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:10,079 Speaker 2: Pad Mahomes getting hurt. They have dominated the AFC, they 34 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 2: frankly dominated football, and now they're not in the playoffs. 35 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 3: Yes, we enjoyed the Philip Rivers story. 36 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 2: It was fun. It was funny if you're a Charger 37 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 2: fan finding a way to win a game when traditionally, 38 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 2: even when the other team have a backup, you'd find 39 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 2: a way to lose a game. 40 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:28,080 Speaker 3: That was awesome. 41 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:33,919 Speaker 2: The Vikings beating the Cowboys last night. For JJ McCarthy 42 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 2: was so desperately in need to a win. That was 43 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 2: big time, even. 44 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 3: Though they're already out of the playoff chase. 45 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:43,920 Speaker 2: But to me, the biggest thing is the injuries going 46 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 2: forward and how that shapes the playoffs. And now we 47 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 2: have the unquestioned most dynamic defensive pass rusher pass rusher 48 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 2: in the league is out for the year, and how 49 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:55,919 Speaker 2: that affects the Packers. 50 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and the Chiefs are out of the playoffs. 51 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Leab 52 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 1: Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox 53 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. 54 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:10,079 Speaker 3: Let's get to the Fox Says and now. 55 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 2: Every day, this time in the Bonus Podcast to play 56 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 2: for you a previous version of Fox Sports Radio Fox 57 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:19,359 Speaker 2: Sports One Show. Here's Braddy Quinn from Two Pros and 58 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:21,920 Speaker 2: a Cup of Joe talking about the Colts and Philip Rivers. 59 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:26,239 Speaker 4: I'll throw this out there. Watching the beginning of that game, 60 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 4: I kept thinking to myself, Riley Leonard must have done 61 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 4: something or not shown something to have put the team 62 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 4: in the position where they felt like they needed to 63 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 4: do this because there was nothing that Philip did that 64 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 4: I thought Riley Leonard couldn't do. 65 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 3: So I don't know. 66 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 4: I mean again, at the end of the day, their 67 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 4: defense kept them in that game, and they scored enough 68 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 4: to make it close. But I just I don't know 69 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 4: what happened where you didn't feel like comfortable or confident 70 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 4: enough as a coach putting in a game plan that 71 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 4: Riley Leonard could execute, who at this moment like has 72 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 4: a better arm, is a better athlete and you know 73 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 4: you're out there, you know you taking some of the 74 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 4: decision making maybe off his plate, But I don't know, man, 75 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 4: that's it was as awesome as it was to see 76 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 4: him out there five years after the fact, there was 77 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 4: an element of reality where you're like. 78 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 2: Man, uh yeah again. 79 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:33,600 Speaker 3: I think that. 80 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 2: I think Brady answered the question himself right that if 81 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 2: you have to take the decision making off his plate, 82 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:44,599 Speaker 2: that means you don't trust his decision making because he's 83 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 2: not ready. And I think you the fear for Shane 84 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 2: Stykeen is one you know, look, he's trying to give 85 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:53,599 Speaker 2: his team the best possible chance to win, period stop. 86 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 3: That's all that matters to him. 87 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 2: And if you play somebody before that you're ready, then 88 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 2: one you can do them irreparable harm, and two you 89 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 2: can do your team irreparable harm. So I think he 90 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 2: answered the question in his own answer by saying it's 91 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 2: not really about his arm strength in any way. Instead, 92 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 2: it's about his decision making, which is not yet ready 93 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 2: for this level of football. 94 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 3: Remember, if you're. 95 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 2: Playing rather than Leonard, you're not just playing him in 96 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 2: an NFL game, you're playing him against the Seahawks in 97 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 2: a game that could well decide whether or not to 98 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:31,239 Speaker 2: get the playoffs, and so you fell on the side 99 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 2: of experience as opposed to talent. Here's Colin Calhert talking 100 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:36,679 Speaker 2: about the end of the Chiefs dynasty. 101 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 5: It's not pretty. And I've said this for the last 102 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 5: three weeks. I've asked every guest rebuild or retool. I 103 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 5: think it's more of a rebuild. I mean, their second 104 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 5: best player or best players, a center, they got a 105 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 5: really good corner Mahomes down surgery. I think it's a 106 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 5: bit of a rebuild. 107 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 3: Now. 108 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:56,039 Speaker 5: The good news is they're getting more draft picks up 109 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 5: near the top of rounds. I wouldn't be surprised now. 110 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 5: So if they some of the older guys maybe take 111 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 5: a seat, rest a little bit, catch their breath, if 112 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 5: you know what I mean. Wink wink, nudge, nudge, and 113 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 5: they keep that draft pick moving up. That's what they need. 114 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 5: That's what it feels like. But here's the thing. It 115 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:19,039 Speaker 5: hasn't felt right the last three seasons. They're sixteenth in 116 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 5: scoring and seventeenth in yards per play. This has been 117 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 5: happening for years. But the coaching was so good. Mahomes 118 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:30,160 Speaker 5: was so special. But this thing is, we've been kind 119 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 5: of convincing ourselves. Even the guys in the deadert Desert 120 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:36,159 Speaker 5: Vegas have been convincing themselves. You know, they're not that 121 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 5: far off. I think it's more of a rebuild than 122 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 5: people think. 123 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:44,039 Speaker 2: I would agree we call on this one because you know, 124 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 2: you got to rebuild your entire receiving corps. You got 125 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 2: to get a high level tight end. You're gonna have 126 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 2: to get better at running back, You're gonna have to 127 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 2: get better at offensive line. And some of that is 128 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 2: they've drafted, well, we got to continue to draft, uh 129 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:58,719 Speaker 2: and then you got to figure out kind of defensively 130 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 2: as well. I mean that it was the most dynamic 131 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 2: offense and football and now it's not. 132 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:04,840 Speaker 3: It does give me. 133 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 2: Or maybe gives the Patriots even more respect because you're, like, dude, 134 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 2: Patriots never had a year like this, even when even 135 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 2: when Tom Brady got hurt, and it does have memories 136 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 2: of how it ended in Philadelphia for Andy Reid. The 137 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 2: good news for Andy Reid is he is going to 138 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 2: have my homes back. They will draft high, and they 139 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 2: draft generally pretty well. And I do think that their 140 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 2: problems are all out there on full blast for everybody 141 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 2: to see. 142 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 3: Here's Dan Patrick talking about Josh Allen the Bills. 143 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 6: That was a playoff like performance. You're down twenty one 144 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 6: to nothing, You're in New England, and all of a sudden, 145 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 6: social media has got your coach fired, and the Bills 146 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 6: will never win a super Bowl and the you know, 147 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 6: the Patriots could be the best team in football to 148 00:07:56,440 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 6: Buffalo ends up winning that game. And now you don't 149 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 6: have Mahomes in there. You don't have Joe Burrow. I 150 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 6: don't know if we're gonna have Lamar Jackson, but you 151 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 6: do have Josh Allen. And Josh Allen is the best 152 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 6: quarterback right now in football. If I was gonna look 153 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 6: at can that guy win a game. That guy, you know, 154 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 6: Stafford's probably gonna be your MVP. But I'm looking at 155 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 6: one guy dominating, and Josh Allen is that guy. Now, 156 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 6: I don't think the team is great. They might be good, 157 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 6: but what he's doing, and now what we expect him 158 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 6: to do, this isn't the best Buffalo team. I love 159 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 6: James Cook, you know, he runs hard. I just I 160 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 6: don't know if they have enough. But maybe they don't 161 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 6: need enough this year. 162 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 3: It's a great point from Dan. Maybe they don't need that. 163 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 2: We hold these Super Bowl teams to a standard that 164 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 2: maybe they don't have to be held to. Not discussed 165 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 2: is the fact that they they got the ball in 166 00:08:56,160 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 2: the plush, you know, in plus six territory after the 167 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 2: kickoff in the third quarter, so they only had to 168 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 2: go forty four yards on six plays. Not discussed is 169 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 2: the Patriots third quarter was an abject disaster, right three 170 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:14,199 Speaker 2: and out and then the only other possession they threw 171 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 2: an interception on the seventh play of a drive. 172 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 3: As opposed to the Bills, who. 173 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 2: Went touchdown, touchdown, touchdown in the third quarter, this game 174 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 2: was one of loss. With the adjustments made at halftime, 175 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,719 Speaker 2: and that's where the Bills staff really separated itself. That's 176 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 2: what the Fox says say. 177 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb 178 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox 179 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:40,359 Speaker 1: Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. 180 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 3: Let's find out who What's annoying Jason Stewart. 181 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 7: And now it's your annoying, hey, Doug. Rarely do I 182 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 7: do like a rarely do I do? 183 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 8: A theme? Each of these follow the same theme, and 184 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 8: it's this, where is the decorum? Where is the humility? 185 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 8: Where is the sense of decency? I'm gonna start with 186 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 8: the less to less egregious of the three from the weekend, 187 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 8: JJ McCarthy scored a touchdown. JJ McCarthy could walk into 188 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 8: the end zone. He chose to do the dougie. I've 189 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 8: been told that's what it's called the dougie. And after 190 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 8: the game he said this about the dance before he 191 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 8: went into the end zone. 192 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 9: I did it in practice and I was told not 193 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 9: to do it. So it just me, you know, being 194 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:43,680 Speaker 9: who I am, It's like, oh, now I'm more enticed 195 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 9: to do it. But if it's that open, obviously, just 196 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 9: getting the end zone no matter what and be coachable 197 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 9: and do what my coach said. So yeah, I'll definitely 198 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 9: get a minus for that one. 199 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 8: Yeah, O'Connell wasn't wasn't happy at all, and JJ McCarthy 200 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 8: just admitted it. I was told not to do it 201 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 8: and I still did it. This is the same guy 202 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 8: that was getting his ask kicked for most of this 203 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 8: season and he's feeling himself. But it's just kind of it. 204 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 8: I think it speaks to maybe the generation he's just 205 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 8: the lack of humility in these situations. In other words, 206 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 8: you are one play away from getting your clock cleaned 207 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 8: in that sport. We saw yesterday too with Brock Purdy 208 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:27,079 Speaker 8: kind of showing the ball to it to a defender. 209 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 8: Everyone should just watch the Jackson Dart hit over and 210 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 8: over and over again from last week and maybe you 211 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 8: will gain a sense of humility and decency. And then also, 212 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 8: when your coach tells you not to do something and 213 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 8: then you do it anyways, and then you admit in 214 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 8: a press conference afterwards that you were so brazen that 215 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 8: you still did it, it just struck me wrong. 216 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, you do get away with it because you're in 217 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:58,599 Speaker 2: your first year playing. You do get away with it 218 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 2: because you can say, I was just so excit I did. 219 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:03,439 Speaker 2: I screwed up, and you do get a bit of 220 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 2: a pass because he admitted that he was told not 221 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 2: to do it. But I would be very happy, and 222 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 2: I think the Vikings would if you never saw it again. 223 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:16,559 Speaker 8: Diego Pavia, I'm gonna let you react to this tweet, 224 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:21,839 Speaker 8: So skip Bayless says on Twitter yesterday or maybe a 225 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 8: Saturday night Congress to Fernando Mendoza. Nice memorized, rehearse speech, 226 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:30,959 Speaker 8: but Diego Pavia deserved the award for his performance on 227 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 8: the field, even if a swagger and edge rubbed some 228 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 8: voters and viewers the wrong way. 229 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean Diego Pavia went out to a 230 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 2: club and was posting fuck the voters, That's what he did, 231 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 2: and then he apologized about today like two days later. 232 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 3: Like what are we doing here? 233 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 2: I love the making fun of Diego Pavia with the 234 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 2: if axe body spray was a person. That's what he 235 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 2: looked like, you know, and he had the whole look going. 236 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 2: One thing is Marshall Falk should have won the Heisman 237 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 2: Trophy and dominkin Seux should have won the Heisman Trophy. 238 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 2: Neither did. Neither was neither was this obnoxious, and he's 239 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 2: been obnoxious, and I you know, you don't have to 240 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 2: kiss the ring of college football, but god, are you 241 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:21,559 Speaker 2: fucking obnoxious, Diego Pavia. 242 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 3: Let's just be honest. 243 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 2: There's a lot of people who owe you a lot 244 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 2: of money because you sued the NCAA and got an 245 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 2: extra year because you were in junior college during the 246 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 2: COVID year. If we're honest with ourselves, you shouldn't be 247 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 2: playing college football this year. You've played enough, you made money. 248 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:43,680 Speaker 2: We should be good. 249 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 3: You got an extra year, great, and you had a 250 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 3: great season. Great season. 251 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 2: There's a class and a dignity required for the position 252 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 2: and you lack it, And especially when it comes down 253 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 2: to the Heisman Trophy. And for people who say Diego Pavi 254 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:02,199 Speaker 2: was a better player than for Nano Mendoza, they may 255 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 2: be right, but he is not or has not proven 256 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 2: to be a better person than for Nando Mendoza. So 257 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 2: thank goodness they picked the right guy, because that guy's 258 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 2: a positive representative of the band. And Diego Pavia looks 259 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 2: like all of us when we were in college. 260 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 3: If you gave us some money, we'd probably be a 261 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 3: little douchey. 262 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 8: But the thing about Skip's tweet is that like he 263 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 8: answers his own question in the tweet, you know when 264 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 8: he when he says that maybe his swagger and edge 265 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 8: rubb voters wrong. I think the fact that they've voted 266 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 8: for Mendoza tells you everything you need to know. And 267 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 8: then Pavia has only proven since not getting it that 268 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 8: he wasn't the person. In other words, he confirmed it 269 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 8: by his actions. He actually did like a give and 270 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 8: take on social media with one of the UK papers 271 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 8: right before the Heisman Trophy. You know, he's kind of 272 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 8: doing the car wash of media and stuff, and he 273 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 8: had this exchange that was the. 274 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 7: Best college footle player at all time Jael. 275 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 8: Or march X neither mean neighbor mean me? So the 276 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 8: best college football player of all time? Neither, It's me. 277 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 8: And I think in a vacuum you could just kind 278 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 8: of take that as him joking, but every other action 279 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 8: has proven that he actually believes that, and he has 280 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 8: zero humility. So it's like, again, the theme of this 281 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 8: is a lack of humility and the lot the last 282 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 8: one being Donald J. Trump, our president. So Rob Briiner 283 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 8: and his wife are murdered this weekend in their home 284 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 8: and our president went on his social media and said 285 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 8: that they were murdered, reportedly due to the anger he 286 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 8: caused others through his massive, unyielding and incurable affliction with 287 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 8: a mind crip point of ze disease known as Trump 288 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 8: derangement syndrome, something referred to TDS. I think that there's 289 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 8: like a there's two disturbing things about this fat One 290 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 8: the fact that our president actually thought to write that 291 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 8: in the wake of a awful murder, and two that 292 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 8: the reaction has not been violent enough in putting Trump 293 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 8: in his place. I've seen a couple conservative people, influencers 294 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 8: and whatnot try to distance themselves from this. But this 295 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 8: isn't acceptable on any level. And so there's zero decency 296 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 8: in this comment. But he doesn't really have any decency 297 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 8: as he carries himself. There's never been any kind of decorum. 298 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 8: It's always been my biggest problem with the guys that 299 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 8: you can be an amazing business guy who makes America 300 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 8: a bunch of money. I don't even know if he 301 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:00,080 Speaker 8: does that, but he says he does. But if if 302 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 8: you're not going to carry yourself with the decency in decorum, 303 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:06,159 Speaker 8: you're never going to get that credit. That you so 304 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 8: eagerly want, like you're never going to get that. This 305 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 8: might be his worst tweet, and that says a lot. 306 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 8: He's been saying a lot of dumb shit. 307 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:19,159 Speaker 2: He's a piece of shit as a person, That's what 308 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:22,679 Speaker 2: he is. He's a piece of shit as a person. 309 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 2: He lied about Obama and where he's born. He's never 310 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:30,679 Speaker 2: come clean about it, you know, he's never owned up 311 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:36,880 Speaker 2: to it. There's other things he's done. Forget about Rob 312 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:43,360 Speaker 2: Reiner as a brilliant filmmaker or a funny actor, whatever 313 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 2: his political leanings, it doesn't matter. He's a piece of 314 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 2: shit as a person, right, He's a piece of shit 315 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 2: as a person. Only a shitty person does that. And 316 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 2: I'm not you know, like one of the things about 317 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 2: our generation we always cap on or crap on, you know, 318 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 2: gen Z. But one of the things about our generation 319 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:09,199 Speaker 2: that kind of sucks, Jason, and I wonder if you 320 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:13,440 Speaker 2: agree with it is women especially But you know, we 321 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 2: have a tendency to label people things that are really strong, 322 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 2: calling people narcissists all the time. Right, that's the big thing, 323 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 2: the search for narcissism. But you found it here, right, 324 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:33,719 Speaker 2: because his whole thing is it's all about him. Remember 325 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:36,439 Speaker 2: a husband and a wife were in their home on 326 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 2: a Sunday, were murdered by their child, and he takes 327 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 2: to his social media account as the president of the 328 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 2: United States of America and says the reason with no facts, 329 00:18:52,520 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 2: no nothing, no decorum, no sympathy, no empathy, no nothing. Basically, 330 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:03,640 Speaker 2: he tries to use it to score political points and 331 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 2: to shit some on two people. 332 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:06,639 Speaker 3: Who were just murdered. 333 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,879 Speaker 2: What a fucking piece of shit he is, That's what 334 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 2: he is. Only a shitty person does that. Only a 335 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 2: shitty person there is no other way, and a narcissist 336 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 2: because he makes it about everything about himself. It's about myself. Hey, 337 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:28,919 Speaker 2: it's about me. He didn't like me, so that's why 338 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 2: he got murdered. Are you fucking kidding me? First of all, 339 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 2: even if that was the case, just like the KKK 340 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:40,120 Speaker 2: supporting him or any of these proud boys whatever, all 341 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 2: you have to say is, hey, listen, I'm happy you're 342 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:47,199 Speaker 2: supporting me. My policies are not meant for you, not 343 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 2: meant to help you, and I don't need you to 344 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:52,120 Speaker 2: win an election because he actually didn't. He doesn't need 345 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:55,120 Speaker 2: white supremacists to win an election, but he would. 346 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:57,119 Speaker 3: Never do it, never do it. 347 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:01,719 Speaker 2: And if Rob Reiner and his wife were murdered because 348 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 2: of their political beliefs, then what he should say, as 349 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 2: president and the most powerful man the free world is 350 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 2: violence because of political thought or activism is wrong, just 351 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 2: like it was wrong with Charlie kirk At murdered, just 352 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 2: like it was wrong. 353 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:19,880 Speaker 3: But he can't. 354 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 2: All he wants to do is shit on anybody who 355 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:28,679 Speaker 2: doesn't bow down him. And again, I have friends, lots 356 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 2: of friends who are taking this pill and swallowing it. 357 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:35,439 Speaker 2: I even saw Sage Steele, who's a dear friend. I 358 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 2: went to her wedding and she's like a trumper. She 359 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 2: was like, well, she tweeted out, this is disappointing. I 360 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 2: hope it doesn't take away from all the good he's doing, 361 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 2: which is kind of what you're saying. 362 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 3: My point is like might take away. It completely takes 363 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 3: away because he's a shitty person. That's it. That's it. 364 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 2: Go back to all those tragedies when Obama would show 365 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 2: up and would hug babies, would would would hold parents, 366 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 2: would talk to them, would call people. He had decency, 367 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 2: he had empathy, he had grace, he had fucking courage again, 368 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 2: and this speaks to all the people who are so 369 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 2: blindly loyal. You sound like the dumbest, least empathetic, biggest 370 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 2: asshole ever. We don't dislike you because of fucking Trump's policies. 371 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:32,880 Speaker 3: Again, it's it's. 372 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 2: Never been about being a president, has never truly been 373 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 2: about policies. It's about the type of person you are. 374 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 2: You represent all of us. I just I'm glad you 375 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 2: brought it up. I'm glad you showed that what people 376 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 2: don't understand about you, Jason, which is you're not some 377 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:53,879 Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna be a Trumper and this is 378 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 2: what I do. Like, No, you call that bullshit on 379 00:21:55,840 --> 00:22:00,880 Speaker 2: everybody on either side, but this is it's prehensible. 380 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,119 Speaker 3: And the one thing I try and be is fair. 381 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 2: I try and be have you know, if I'm gonna 382 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 2: shit on Skip Bayless for his tweet when when Hamlin 383 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 2: went down with a heart attack or other tweets, whatever, 384 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 2: I gotta do the same with the present of the 385 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 2: United States because this is just wrong. It just makes 386 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,160 Speaker 2: us all. I mean, like, that's who you voted for. 387 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 2: The fuck Jesus what else? 388 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,920 Speaker 8: No, that's it. So Trump's the most annoying. 389 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:37,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's an asshole and he's annoying. Fuck him. Let's 390 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:37,679 Speaker 3: move on. 391 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:46,160 Speaker 1: Why are we doing this because we can? 392 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:49,639 Speaker 8: Hey Doug, So, I don't know if you knew this. 393 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:53,159 Speaker 8: I don't think anybody's watching, but the NFC East is 394 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 8: the subject of Hard Knocks in the season. Nobody really 395 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 8: watches the end season one, and the Giants, of course, 396 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,640 Speaker 8: are very familiar with the Hard Knocks crew, as their 397 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:10,239 Speaker 8: GM made a notorious comment and exchange that basically got 398 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:16,199 Speaker 8: the off season Hard Knocks fired Mike Kofka, Giants interim 399 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 8: head coach. It was reported that this is kind of 400 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 8: his tryout, see if he's going to stick around. Uh, 401 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 8: judging by yesterday's game, I don't think he's going to 402 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 8: be sticking around. And but leading up to this game, 403 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 8: he had dressed his his players in a meeting on 404 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 8: Hard Knocks and it sounded like this, Hey. 405 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 4: Guys, we lost as a team, all three fingers. We 406 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 4: lost as a fucking team, But we're gonna fucking win 407 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 4: as a team too, and that's gonna be coming after 408 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 4: the Bobo. 409 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 8: Right. 410 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 2: The reality is is we have four fucking opportunities left with. 411 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 9: Just this group right here, Like everybody look at each other. 412 00:23:54,880 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 9: We got four ops together, man, four fucking opportunities like you. 413 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 4: I'm gonna give you everything I got to go for 414 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 4: and a one weekend time we're going. 415 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 1: Out and swingings. I fucking love this scene. 416 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 2: The results haven't been where we're at and what we want. 417 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 1: I fucking love this scene. I promise you we're gonna 418 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,200 Speaker 1: get to where we want to go recharges by week 419 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 1: or come back and go fucking dominate. 420 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:26,679 Speaker 2: And if you had about that fucking life, beet the 421 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 2: fuck out you guys, feel me on that. 422 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:31,120 Speaker 5: That's all. 423 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 4: That's what I want to be in this screw. 424 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 3: All right, it's pretty good. Do you do not like it? 425 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,159 Speaker 8: No, that's because we can't. He says a lot of 426 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 8: funk bombs. 427 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 3: We're gonna always ask you, you know what he's like. 428 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 2: He's just trying to get the most he can out 429 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 2: of him. 430 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 3: So I like it. I like it. And by the way, 431 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,400 Speaker 3: the use of is that adjective? 432 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:58,639 Speaker 2: Is that adverb when you say everything you know, fucking 433 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 2: we're gonna play fucking hard, fucking good looking, like, what 434 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 2: is it? 435 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:03,639 Speaker 3: What is that? What is fucking ass? Is that the 436 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 3: adjective adverb? 437 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 8: What is that huh. 438 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 2: I don't I don't know, but I have an assistant 439 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 2: coaching adjective. Yeah, he is. He uses the F word 440 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 2: as an adjective. It's it's quite mesmerizing. I've heard six 441 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 2: in a sentence as well, a bit of a run 442 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 2: on sentence, but it was definitely a sentence. 443 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 3: Why can we play for you? Because we can. That's 444 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:24,159 Speaker 3: it for the In the Modus podcast. 445 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:25,880 Speaker 2: Check out the radio show every day three to five 446 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 2: Eastern twelve two Pacific, Fox Sports Radio, iHeart Radio app. 447 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:29,159 Speaker 3: I'm Doug Gotlieb