WEBVTT - Episode 492 w/ Fab 5 Freddy 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:14.120 He is drinks chests, motherfucking podcast man. 0:00:14.960 --> 0:00:16.919 He's a legends every queens rapper. 0:00:17.079 --> 0:00:18.800 He ain't agreed as your boy in O r E. 0:00:18.920 --> 0:00:21.759 He's a Miami hip pop pioneer put up as d 0:00:21.920 --> 0:00:22.680 j e f N. 0:00:22.840 --> 0:00:25.240 Together they drink it up with some of the biggest 0:00:25.239 --> 0:00:29.560 players you know, me and the most professional unprofessional podcast 0:00:29.680 --> 0:00:32.479 and your number one source for drunk drinks chans mother 0:00:32.560 --> 0:00:34.159 fu Postquavery Days. 0:00:33.880 --> 0:00:38.560 New Year's c that's his time for drink champs. Drink up, mother, mother? 0:00:43.080 --> 0:00:44.840 What a it gonna be hoping to beat your boy 0:00:44.920 --> 0:00:47.319 n A O n A What up his dj e 0:00:47.440 --> 0:00:49.199 f N. This is the military crazy war. Yeah, you 0:00:49.280 --> 0:00:54.000 have a drinks champs. Yep, you have a man. Ye. 0:00:55.600 --> 0:00:58.480 When we started this show, we started this saying that 0:00:58.520 --> 0:01:01.720 we wanted to give flowers to legends, to people who 0:01:01.800 --> 0:01:04.320 are eye cars, people who came before us, people who 0:01:04.319 --> 0:01:08.480 have knocked down the door for us. In many ways, 0:01:08.520 --> 0:01:11.600 this show wouldn't exist without this brother right here. Absolutely, 0:01:11.640 --> 0:01:14.399 this brother has lead. When you see so many people 0:01:14.440 --> 0:01:18.319 with podcasts, so many people owe him flowers, so many 0:01:18.480 --> 0:01:21.120 he was at one point everybody wanted to be in 0:01:21.200 --> 0:01:24.600 front of the camera. They didn't want to be interviewing 0:01:24.680 --> 0:01:29.520 the stars. He he's I did research and they said 0:01:29.640 --> 0:01:33.319 in hip hop he pulled he pulled off the first 0:01:33.480 --> 0:01:36.480 pull up interview where they come to you. He'd been 0:01:36.520 --> 0:01:39.039 a competing with Easy Eating. We got to talk about that. 0:01:39.360 --> 0:01:45.320 He's been everywhere. He's interviewed Tupac and he's a legend. 0:01:45.360 --> 0:01:48.200 He's an icon, and he's a write book writer. He's 0:01:48.240 --> 0:01:54.080 a producer. Bloody shot of them out and ant Passil 0:01:55.520 --> 0:02:00.680 should be called his name. They don't check the wow. 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:03.080 He is an innovator. He's more. He's a reason why 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:04.480 we're here. In case you don't know what we're talking 0:02:04.480 --> 0:02:11.640 about about. The one Holy I haven't been drinking, but 0:02:11.639 --> 0:02:15.639 I'm gonna drink today because I am celebrating you. Listen, man, 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:20.080 I'm not gonna lie to you. Thank you. We do 0:02:20.200 --> 0:02:26.480 research and every now and then, I, uh, I get like, 0:02:26.560 --> 0:02:31.720 you know, blown back, right, and I've realized how much 0:02:33.160 --> 0:02:39.600 uh your TV raps was for that time, right, And 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:42.400 then I started. Then I realized you produced one of 0:02:42.440 --> 0:02:47.320 the very first MTV videos that was hip hop on MTV. Well, 0:02:47.320 --> 0:02:47.600 I was. 0:02:48.120 --> 0:02:50.960 I was directed mad videos. The first video I directed 0:02:51.520 --> 0:02:53.480 a little before your TV rap started. 0:02:53.880 --> 0:02:55.720 Was my philosophy for Kris. 0:02:58.919 --> 0:03:00.640 Hold On because I don't don't want to, all right, 0:03:00.720 --> 0:03:06.440 because I want the kid invest out Brooklyn to you, Yeah, yeah, 0:03:07.520 --> 0:03:10.120 I want to. You just said your first video, this 0:03:10.160 --> 0:03:13.160 is your first video? Correct that I directed? Direction directed? 0:03:13.200 --> 0:03:16.120 Okay, so for making Wild Style, that was my film school, 0:03:16.160 --> 0:03:16.920 I like to say. 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:18.880 Right, so so so let's let's let's let's lets let's 0:03:18.880 --> 0:03:21.200 bring people to the beginning, right, got it? How did 0:03:21.200 --> 0:03:24.480 you how did you camera? How did you like start 0:03:25.200 --> 0:03:28.640 thinking that? Because music videos wasn't the thing at the time, No, 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:33.720 it was actually radio records and then so eventually it got. 0:03:33.800 --> 0:03:36.920 It was to MTV that music videos really tolew up 0:03:36.920 --> 0:03:40.480 on a national basis. Yeah, so how did you start? 0:03:41.520 --> 0:03:41.760 Yes? 0:03:42.080 --> 0:03:46.040 Okay, Well I've just written a memoir which is just 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:48.840 so many stories I've been just dying to share with 0:03:48.880 --> 0:03:50.440 people because it's been more. 0:03:50.280 --> 0:03:50.920 Than a blessing. 0:03:51.400 --> 0:03:54.440 But I definitely started out with a mission. But I 0:03:54.520 --> 0:03:57.760 came from some place so growing up around my people, 0:03:58.520 --> 0:04:01.200 I had jazz musicians, my hops. If I had a 0:04:01.280 --> 0:04:05.880 neclected group of friends, very intelligent young brothers that was 0:04:06.080 --> 0:04:06.920 wanting changed. 0:04:07.040 --> 0:04:07.760 You know what I'm saying. 0:04:07.840 --> 0:04:10.200 Things were beginning to happen as they were coming up. 0:04:10.520 --> 0:04:14.360 Max Roach was my godfather, godfather and my dad's childhood friends. 0:04:14.400 --> 0:04:15.760 I used to pick up on a lot of the 0:04:15.880 --> 0:04:18.520 game around these guys. They was mad hip it was 0:04:18.560 --> 0:04:19.680 puffing cannabis. 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:21.320 Jazz was like the first hip hop if you think 0:04:21.360 --> 0:04:23.479 about it, thank you, thank you. 0:04:23.880 --> 0:04:26.400 And even in the beginning. 0:04:26.080 --> 0:04:28.920 Of jazz, they would looked at as worse than gangster rats. 0:04:30.880 --> 0:04:32.120 Just come on, now, let's get it. 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:34.600 Don't get it twisted talking racism, you know, one of 0:04:34.600 --> 0:04:36.839 them things that go on. So this is developing in 0:04:36.880 --> 0:04:40.320 the nineteen twenties, so this was the way a lot 0:04:40.360 --> 0:04:43.400 of our culture have been pigeonholed and looked at. So 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:47.520 for me, get it having inspired and learning things what 0:04:47.640 --> 0:04:50.240 I grew up around my pop's friends, Max Roach. You know, 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:53.640 these cats were incredible artists, but not always so they 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:55.599 used to I used to hear them complain about not 0:04:55.640 --> 0:04:58.360 being able to control like what they were doing. So 0:04:58.440 --> 0:05:00.880 they were just as highly intelligent as anybody we know, 0:05:00.960 --> 0:05:03.159 but they imagine that in a time when you was 0:05:03.200 --> 0:05:05.440 being held back. I want to start a label. I 0:05:05.480 --> 0:05:07.520 want to do this. I want to write the article. 0:05:07.600 --> 0:05:10.039 Now that you know the other folks that was, you know, 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:12.000 loving the culture was all bad. 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:14.039 But it's like, hey, I'd like to do this too, 0:05:14.480 --> 0:05:15.279 So those things. 0:05:15.160 --> 0:05:17.360 Kind of rubbed off. So growing up. 0:05:17.240 --> 0:05:20.000 Being a wild kid and bed star doing you know whatever, 0:05:20.120 --> 0:05:22.480 you know, how we come up and doing. I began 0:05:22.600 --> 0:05:24.560 to you know, I used to cut school and go 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:25.280 to the library. 0:05:25.440 --> 0:05:28.080 Okay, I was to school and went to a different 0:05:28.120 --> 0:05:33.040 type of school school to get educated. 0:05:33.800 --> 0:05:35.920 I would cut school and go to the museums in 0:05:36.000 --> 0:05:38.080 New York City. That was like going to Disney Line. 0:05:38.560 --> 0:05:40.359 I go to the Metropolitan Museum. 0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:40.600 Win. 0:05:40.760 --> 0:05:43.880 That was just mad curious man though right correct. 0:05:44.279 --> 0:05:46.360 Back in the days in the schools they would give you. 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:48.680 Every month you got a different pass. We can get 0:05:48.680 --> 0:05:51.080 on the trains and buses for free. I was just 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:54.560 entertained myself and travel around. At the same time, in 0:05:54.600 --> 0:05:55.680 the seventies. 0:05:55.200 --> 0:05:56.240 Graffiti was strong. 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:59.680 It was everywhere, and it was developing from just writing 0:05:59.680 --> 0:06:03.520 your name wherever it needed to be, to the letters, 0:06:03.560 --> 0:06:07.400 the characters, the cases began to evolve, and so I 0:06:07.520 --> 0:06:10.200 began to Having looked a been in museums a lot 0:06:10.279 --> 0:06:10.840 and looked at. 0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:11.760 The work of pop artists. 0:06:11.800 --> 0:06:15.400 Andy Wahall Lichtenstein Rauschenberg, like I just absorbed all of that. 0:06:15.640 --> 0:06:17.920 I'm like, wait a minute, the stuff that we's doing 0:06:17.920 --> 0:06:19.520 in the subway is very similar. 0:06:19.560 --> 0:06:21.120 They inspired by the same stuff. 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:24.040 I didn't realize that that that was the connection. 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:26.400 So then I'm like, man, if I could figure out 0:06:26.400 --> 0:06:29.760 a way to, you know, tell this story and just. 0:06:29.720 --> 0:06:31.440 Get to some people that would listen to this. 0:06:31.440 --> 0:06:34.240 This is before there was any appreciation hip hop is 0:06:34.279 --> 0:06:37.239 still not even hip hop yet. It's just wild parties 0:06:37.320 --> 0:06:40.760 going on. I begin to think, like, what is happening 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:43.240 there with the music, What's happening with this type of 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:45.240 visual art which is really evolving. 0:06:45.680 --> 0:06:48.120 There's the former dance. This is a new culture. 0:06:48.640 --> 0:06:50.880 If I could get to a position where I can 0:06:51.320 --> 0:06:54.400 share that with people, you know, that would be a 0:06:54.480 --> 0:06:57.120 jump off. Plus, I was interested in taking my work 0:06:57.160 --> 0:07:00.800 from having done graffiti to getting into the gallery spaces, 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:03.479 and the idea was to make this film Wild Stops. 0:07:03.520 --> 0:07:05.800 I had this idea to combine all of those things together. 0:07:06.200 --> 0:07:08.920 That's the directing part. It comes from no that becomes 0:07:09.040 --> 0:07:11.679 the first film. I collaborated with a guy named Charlie 0:07:11.720 --> 0:07:14.680 ahearn Okay, and I pitched the idea to him. 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:15.960 He was so your brainchild. 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:19.560 To be clear, basically, the basic idea that Charlie was 0:07:19.600 --> 0:07:19.880 with it. 0:07:20.040 --> 0:07:23.280 He has seen Lee and Jonis's work and it. 0:07:23.360 --> 0:07:25.600 All came out before b Street correct Wild Style is 0:07:25.640 --> 0:07:27.520 the first, this is the this is the. 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:35.680 Face had some good elements in it. Now, there was 0:07:35.720 --> 0:07:39.080 a lot of other movies that came out, Wrapping, Breaking, Breaking, two, 0:07:39.120 --> 0:07:41.880 three four, it was all trash, you know what I'm saying, like, 0:07:42.360 --> 0:07:46.920 let's just cash in on this. Harry Belafonte and them, 0:07:47.000 --> 0:07:49.560 they produced that and they was they had good intention 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:51.600 and a lot of good heads is in that. But 0:07:51.640 --> 0:07:53.920 they followed the blueprint that we laid down, which is 0:07:53.960 --> 0:07:57.240 how the game goes. You know, copy from the best. 0:07:57.400 --> 0:08:01.480 But basically me and this cat Charlie got collaborated, went 0:08:01.560 --> 0:08:04.240 up to the Bronx together. I was up on that 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:06.160 there was this new music. I'm from the best style, 0:08:06.280 --> 0:08:09.080 but no, you had to know what was going on uptown. 0:08:09.160 --> 0:08:14.680 So I finally when I'm working with Charlie, we going 0:08:14.760 --> 0:08:18.280 to research and then we start heading uptown Ecstasy Garage. 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:21.760 See I like it sounds like a place. 0:08:21.800 --> 0:08:27.760 I like, no, this is. 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:30.280 Just to put it in perspective, like, yes, obviously pre internet, 0:08:30.760 --> 0:08:35.720 like this is pre hip hop, this is definitely yeah. 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:36.839 So like you had to. 0:08:36.840 --> 0:08:39.880 Like really go into these places, yes that you kind 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:42.400 of heard something was going on, to actually experience it. 0:08:42.480 --> 0:08:45.400 The way the music really traveled back then was ya 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:49.000 a boombox and I always had a double cassette. So 0:08:49.040 --> 0:08:51.400 if you, if you was blessed enough to get close 0:08:51.440 --> 0:08:53.880 to it, your baby, run me a copy. That's what 0:08:53.920 --> 0:08:56.400 them double concess Okay, man, I run off for ninety 0:08:56.400 --> 0:08:58.880 minute whatever sixty tep for you. And then the music 0:08:58.960 --> 0:09:01.680 spread and that's how the music really got it. 0:09:01.600 --> 0:09:04.560 It was viral. That was the way to go perfection. 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:07.600 That was the origin, the origins of viral hand but 0:09:07.640 --> 0:09:09.600 it was hand to hand, you know, really great vine 0:09:09.679 --> 0:09:12.680 type of stuff. And so the idea was to put 0:09:12.679 --> 0:09:15.080 all this stuff in the film and showcase it. And 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:17.560 that's the movie we made co while style. But I 0:09:17.640 --> 0:09:20.120 learned a little bit about filmmaking because I was like, 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:28.040 you're like the co producer. And then what became when 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:30.080 I walked in, Y was playing some of the instrumentals 0:09:30.120 --> 0:09:30.680 from the film. 0:09:31.120 --> 0:09:33.400 I wanted to use your real music. I'm like, what 0:09:33.440 --> 0:09:33.839 the hell is? 0:09:34.040 --> 0:09:37.440 Everything was so underground, but We was connected with Theodore 0:09:37.520 --> 0:09:40.520 and Flash and Charlie Chase and Tony Ton you know, 0:09:40.559 --> 0:09:43.880 we was connected with the core of the scene. And 0:09:45.080 --> 0:09:48.640 Charlie said, no, we can't use those records. And I said, okay, 0:09:48.640 --> 0:09:51.120 I'm gonna go and make this music. So I pulled 0:09:51.160 --> 0:09:54.920 together bass player, a drummer, you know, listen to some beats, 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:57.720 you know, and told them, YO, give me something like this. 0:09:58.080 --> 0:10:02.880 And then Chris Stein from Blondie. Him and Kirsten Debbie 0:10:02.880 --> 0:10:05.960 were the core of Blondie. I had hooked up with 0:10:06.000 --> 0:10:09.000 them and other people on the downtown New York scene 0:10:09.400 --> 0:10:11.400 and I would run these ideas by them and they 0:10:11.440 --> 0:10:16.440 became supporters, looking out guidance, cooking, introducing me to people 0:10:16.480 --> 0:10:17.400 like Andy Wall, etc. 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:19.360 Blondie record, Yeah. 0:10:19.200 --> 0:10:23.800 That's what So that record rapture comes out of me, Yo, 0:10:23.920 --> 0:10:27.200 this is what's going on new culture. That shouted me out, 0:10:27.480 --> 0:10:30.679 shout it out, Flash, you know, say Freddy told me 0:10:30.720 --> 0:10:33.640 everybody's fly by the way. It's the title of my memoir. 0:10:34.240 --> 0:10:37.480 And it was just all love. But they really appreciated 0:10:37.559 --> 0:10:40.880 shouted out what I was doing. You know, don't strain 0:10:40.960 --> 0:10:43.800 your brain, pain and train. But nobody really knew who 0:10:43.800 --> 0:10:45.440 I was at the time, but it really put the 0:10:45.440 --> 0:10:47.360 spark in people like what is this all about? 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:50.240 And it just became a number one. Blondie was like 0:10:50.240 --> 0:10:58.360 like the lady God got that that era description and yeah, 0:10:58.360 --> 0:10:59.880 that's a real good description. 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:04.000 And in fact, Lady Gaga was on the club scene 0:11:04.040 --> 0:11:07.880 coming up. My man Troy Carter brother out of Philly, 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:10.839 managed to end the beginning. Get the hell Carter is 0:11:10.840 --> 0:11:12.840 a genius. You need to have him come through here. 0:11:13.000 --> 0:11:15.440 He's just like Madonna was exposed as like they were 0:11:15.440 --> 0:11:16.560 all in those club scenes. 0:11:16.760 --> 0:11:18.960 Yeah, well you're mingling with the hip hop scene as well. 0:11:19.240 --> 0:11:21.120 That's right, and you know, we was all tight. And 0:11:21.280 --> 0:11:24.440 when she came on the scene. Mark Caimans, who produced 0:11:24.480 --> 0:11:27.520 some of her first records, here, fabous, this is this 0:11:27.679 --> 0:11:29.560 girl just in from d Detroit. 0:11:29.840 --> 0:11:31.319 I'm working on her first records. 0:11:31.360 --> 0:11:37.240 But Donna's from Detroit. Yes, oh really yeah, hoodie yeah 0:11:38.559 --> 0:11:42.280 ye from mom Yeah, okay, you stole that on us. 0:11:43.280 --> 0:11:46.960 You know you got you got Frank Ocean Blondie motherfucker. 0:11:47.679 --> 0:11:48.800 Yeah, rapture, here you go. 0:11:49.240 --> 0:11:51.240 No, you gotta go to raps. 0:11:50.760 --> 0:11:51.560 Trying to find that one. 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:56.920 Yeah, there you go. Yes, now now you know you 0:11:57.200 --> 0:12:01.240 don't know, but in New York City record was everywhere else. 0:12:01.280 --> 0:12:07.400 I mean I was onhere you don't want to be. 0:12:09.559 --> 0:12:13.560 Yeah, that's crazy, that's okay. But Number one records wild. 0:12:15.000 --> 0:12:16.400 So how does this record coup about? 0:12:16.520 --> 0:12:20.400 So basically, once again, in my pursuit to make connections 0:12:20.440 --> 0:12:22.840 with people to get the movie made and connect and 0:12:23.160 --> 0:12:25.679 to get things popping, and you know, with with with 0:12:25.679 --> 0:12:28.920 my visual art and everything, we became really tight. And 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:31.720 I'm playing tapes for them, I'm running it down and 0:12:31.760 --> 0:12:35.560 I'm seeing the comparison between what's developing in the Bronx 0:12:35.640 --> 0:12:37.439 and the way the new wave and the punk rock 0:12:37.520 --> 0:12:40.040 scene jumped off, because I just happened to catch on 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:40.600 to that early. 0:12:40.679 --> 0:12:42.920 And I'm reading this is that's why what they're doing. 0:12:43.240 --> 0:12:45.080 But that's kind of like what rat was doing, like 0:12:45.320 --> 0:12:47.480 because they had the spikes, so people were mistaking it 0:12:47.480 --> 0:12:49.640 for punk rock at first, right, like a black version 0:12:49.679 --> 0:12:50.160 of punk rock. 0:12:50.480 --> 0:12:53.560 That's exactly right, because those things was happening some people, 0:12:53.679 --> 0:12:55.839 like when Flashing them got real wild, it was like. 0:12:55.800 --> 0:12:56.840 A punk funk thing. 0:12:57.040 --> 0:13:00.160 There was syenergy, but no, but they was also oh, 0:13:00.200 --> 0:13:01.840 they was looking at what Rick James and then was 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:03.680 doing whatever, which was all good, but it was in 0:13:03.760 --> 0:13:07.920 the air at that time. But basically they had told 0:13:07.960 --> 0:13:10.839 me that they wanted to make some funkier music. I mean, 0:13:10.920 --> 0:13:12.880 out of that new wave scene. They were literally like 0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:15.760 the biggest group. They just went mainstream in a really 0:13:15.800 --> 0:13:18.520 cool way, but they still was really about the underground 0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:22.640 in downtown. I'm talking about Blinde and so they said 0:13:22.679 --> 0:13:25.199 they was they wanted to do something a little more funky, 0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:28.480 funkier music or whatever people could dance to. So then 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:30.640 they jetted to go to Cali or whatever to work 0:13:30.679 --> 0:13:32.960 on their next album. When they came back, they called 0:13:33.000 --> 0:13:34.440 me to come over to the crib. They said, man, 0:13:34.440 --> 0:13:36.600 we want to check drop some of these new. 0:13:36.480 --> 0:13:37.120 Tracks on you. 0:13:37.400 --> 0:13:40.280 They played me a couple of songs and then they said, okay, 0:13:40.360 --> 0:13:41.560 here's something a little different. 0:13:42.800 --> 0:13:43.720 And then when they put. 0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:46.680 It on, I'm like, you know, the singing part, I'm like, wow, 0:13:46.760 --> 0:13:50.559 this is fly. And then when she starts rapping, I'm like, wow, 0:13:50.600 --> 0:13:51.400 this is crazy. 0:13:51.679 --> 0:13:53.679 I totally thought that. 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:56.320 This was just something they did in the studio, goofing, 0:13:56.480 --> 0:13:58.840 just to let me hear, because they never said we're 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:00.839 gonna try to do a rap record or whatever whatever 0:14:01.000 --> 0:14:03.520 serious and I thought just that they was playing around 0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:06.400 in the studio. Here's a special little something just to 0:14:06.440 --> 0:14:08.240 play for Freddy, you know whatever. 0:14:08.320 --> 0:14:08.640 Whatever. 0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:11.920 So I loved that, and that was so cool. That's 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:14.120 how I thought it was. It wasn't until two months 0:14:14.200 --> 0:14:17.800 later I was in Paris for the first time after 0:14:18.320 --> 0:14:21.920 my second art show in Italy, and I'm hanging out 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:24.440 actually with two members of the Talking Heads, and we 0:14:24.520 --> 0:14:27.440 get into a cab on our way to a restaurant 0:14:27.640 --> 0:14:29.280 and I hear this song in a cab. 0:14:29.760 --> 0:14:32.520 I'm like, how does this cab driver like, no, it's 0:14:32.600 --> 0:14:34.720 you right? No? How does he get a copy of 0:14:34.800 --> 0:14:37.200 this suit hits the radio? Yeah? 0:14:37.280 --> 0:14:40.120 Yeah, they said, Freddie, this is the next Blondie single. 0:14:41.960 --> 0:14:44.440 This is the next Blondie single on a new album. 0:14:45.320 --> 0:14:47.160 And I'm like, I never thought it was going to 0:14:47.200 --> 0:14:48.840 be like a serious runner. I thought they was just 0:14:48.880 --> 0:14:51.080 playing it goes on to be number one? 0:14:53.840 --> 0:14:55.920 Did you think it was Maybe they might be looked 0:14:55.960 --> 0:14:58.720 at as like a clowning parody of hip hop at 0:14:58.720 --> 0:15:00.160 the time, No, hmm. 0:15:01.640 --> 0:15:04.000 You know, I wasn't too concerned about that because rap, 0:15:04.400 --> 0:15:07.080 I mean, probably the only thing most people had heard 0:15:07.120 --> 0:15:11.200 at that time was rappers D light, so nobody was really. 0:15:11.040 --> 0:15:14.040 Interestating backlash as well from within the culture. 0:15:14.120 --> 0:15:15.600 Well yeah, for obvious reasons. 0:15:15.720 --> 0:15:18.160 But in the country, mainstream people had no it was 0:15:18.200 --> 0:15:18.880 a fun record. 0:15:18.960 --> 0:15:20.640 People didn't know it was a real culture. 0:15:20.800 --> 0:15:22.480 That's one of the things I wanted to show in 0:15:22.520 --> 0:15:24.640 Wild Style, which is a part of what WildStar ends 0:15:24.680 --> 0:15:27.720 up doing. It shows who we are because our decision 0:15:27.880 --> 0:15:31.400 was to use all the artists, the musicians, the graffiti writers, 0:15:31.400 --> 0:15:34.600 the breakdances, the b boys, girls to play themselves, you feel. 0:15:34.640 --> 0:15:36.440 That was one of the concepts me and Charlie came 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:37.320 up with for the film. 0:15:37.760 --> 0:15:39.560 But basically it. 0:15:39.440 --> 0:15:41.600 Was a surprise to me that the record caught on. 0:15:41.520 --> 0:15:42.120 The way it did. 0:15:42.400 --> 0:15:44.280 I was like, Yo, it's cool that they did it, 0:15:44.560 --> 0:15:47.560 that they shouted me out, They talked about things we 0:15:47.560 --> 0:15:49.320 was doing, you know, they shout it out Flash. 0:15:49.600 --> 0:15:51.040 It was just like things I told them. 0:15:51.120 --> 0:15:51.560 I said, Yo. 0:15:51.600 --> 0:15:54.280 As far as DJ's Flash is known for being, you know, 0:15:54.560 --> 0:15:57.960 super fast with it, fly guys and Fly Girls is 0:15:58.000 --> 0:15:58.960 how to scene. 0:15:58.680 --> 0:16:01.880 You know, to people who represent put the she she 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:03.280 freaked it the artist. 0:16:02.960 --> 0:16:05.680 Does yeah, exactly, put her own little spin on it. 0:16:06.240 --> 0:16:07.920 And it just was a lot of love, you know 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:08.400 what I mean. 0:16:08.480 --> 0:16:11.080 And so oh so the other interesting thing about the video. 0:16:11.640 --> 0:16:14.080 So I had told Flash to come through because you know, 0:16:14.320 --> 0:16:16.680 we're working on putting grand Master Flash by the way, 0:16:16.720 --> 0:16:17.240 guys le. 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:20.800 Grandmaster Flash. 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:24.280 And so because we're still in production pre production on 0:16:24.800 --> 0:16:27.560 make the movie Wild Style, and so ik new flashing them. 0:16:27.600 --> 0:16:29.840 I say, yo, come through. This record just came out. 0:16:30.360 --> 0:16:33.040 You know, you get a shout out, you know, shot 0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:34.360 me on the record. Come through and be in the 0:16:34.440 --> 0:16:38.600 video videos wasn't really a thing yet. And Flash says, Okay, 0:16:38.640 --> 0:16:42.480 I'm coming. But he never shows up. It's only recently 0:16:42.560 --> 0:16:44.800 that he's explaining to me that Sylvia was like, Yo, 0:16:45.240 --> 0:16:49.040 don't you know, stay away from that whatever, Tylvia Robinson, 0:16:49.080 --> 0:16:52.960 that Sugar Sugar Sugar Hill Records. 0:16:53.040 --> 0:16:55.360 So Jean Michelle, that's my man too. 0:16:55.560 --> 0:17:12.320 That we was all think, Joe Michelle even, yeah too much. 0:17:13.800 --> 0:17:15.679 Stop me for one second, please remember that story. Right. 0:17:16.080 --> 0:17:18.359 But the other day, I'm sitting there, right, I had 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:21.480 posted a picture with pun and I go to a 0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:25.080 can forget. I think it was a sneakers stall and 0:17:25.119 --> 0:17:27.439 the kid is just telling me and he's just asking 0:17:27.480 --> 0:17:31.000 me about fun and I'm sitting there and all the 0:17:31.119 --> 0:17:34.639 questions he's asking me. It was like normal questions. It 0:17:34.720 --> 0:17:37.080 was like, you know, he's just my friend, like and 0:17:37.160 --> 0:17:40.720 I realized he looked at pun as a superhero, and 0:17:40.760 --> 0:17:46.480 I realized he is a superhero. He's my friend. What 0:17:46.520 --> 0:17:48.800 I just said the other day, I say, I didn't 0:17:48.800 --> 0:17:50.960 realize how dope mob Deep was because I was like 0:17:51.040 --> 0:17:54.800 so much kind of like what you doing so not 0:17:54.960 --> 0:17:58.760 with you. I'm watching documentaries on you, I'm watching interviews, 0:17:59.119 --> 0:18:02.800 and you always like you have the coolest friends. Let 0:18:02.840 --> 0:18:05.159 me just say that. Let me say that, right, But 0:18:05.440 --> 0:18:09.520 therefore he's one of the coolest guys. But after this 0:18:09.600 --> 0:18:12.320 guy asked me about one, I thought about you and 0:18:12.560 --> 0:18:17.439 how you just said, Michelle, and you said it so notionalists. 0:18:20.840 --> 0:18:25.479 But the thing about it is, here's the deal. This 0:18:25.560 --> 0:18:28.520 is a person, this is this is a person for me. 0:18:29.800 --> 0:18:31.760 I knew problem was a legend right when I'm when 0:18:31.760 --> 0:18:33.880 I walked through, I knew it was something special about him. 0:18:33.880 --> 0:18:38.359 I knew he was. It was different. He goes on 0:18:38.560 --> 0:18:40.800 and becomes even more of a folk telle. More for 0:18:40.840 --> 0:18:42.520 a legend, more for like you know what I'm saying, 0:18:42.560 --> 0:18:51.600 like more for a story. In your situation with boskya 0:18:52.200 --> 0:18:57.400 we only really have stories, right, Like he's the Jesus 0:18:57.560 --> 0:19:02.760 that we actually got a picture of. Right, He's changed culture, 0:19:02.880 --> 0:19:07.720 he's changed ship, and you were like you guys were 0:19:07.760 --> 0:19:08.960 fucking tight as hell. 0:19:09.400 --> 0:19:14.200 Like I'm getting in your business man, like it gets 0:19:14.240 --> 0:19:17.760 even deeper in these pages that and everybody wanted to 0:19:18.359 --> 0:19:20.560 people another one. 0:19:20.720 --> 0:19:23.880 So how did you meet Boskia? How did this? And 0:19:24.080 --> 0:19:25.159 let me let me get let me get let me 0:19:25.160 --> 0:19:29.439 get you the first question. Sure? Sure? Did you know 0:19:29.480 --> 0:19:31.240 how special he was when he was here? 0:19:33.440 --> 0:19:36.399 In a way, yes, like the way you knew plumbing 0:19:36.480 --> 0:19:39.960 special or somebody that you rock with. Did y'all become 0:19:40.119 --> 0:19:43.040 like comrades in the game and you respect him, you 0:19:43.080 --> 0:19:46.080 respect you and y'all trying to get it, get it popping. 0:19:46.560 --> 0:19:48.080 It's like it really was just that. 0:19:48.320 --> 0:19:50.200 But let me coach you for one second, super pun, 0:19:50.760 --> 0:19:53.600 there was a heavy d there was a biggie before him. 0:19:53.760 --> 0:19:57.320 There was there's no other before and there's happening to 0:19:57.359 --> 0:20:01.280 be no other. So now this course is a little tougher. 0:20:01.320 --> 0:20:04.479 I'm sorry, No, No, that's you're one hundred percent correct 0:20:04.520 --> 0:20:09.560 because it's very few black artists that were able to 0:20:09.640 --> 0:20:13.280 make the moves, particularly that gen made that we made, 0:20:13.680 --> 0:20:16.840 and these were things what was so dope about connecting 0:20:16.880 --> 0:20:19.399 with him? Like I told you, I cut school and 0:20:19.520 --> 0:20:24.000 used to go to museums museums all over the city. 0:20:24.160 --> 0:20:27.760 I got very familiar essentially with the history of art, 0:20:27.880 --> 0:20:30.439 not like on a scholarly level, but a lot of 0:20:30.480 --> 0:20:34.000 different genres of art I looked at in the museums. 0:20:34.280 --> 0:20:36.120 I would look at books and read a little. 0:20:37.480 --> 0:20:37.960 I got. 0:20:38.160 --> 0:20:41.840 You know, it's an ongoing process, but I was like wow. 0:20:41.960 --> 0:20:45.520 And then like reading about a certain painter or seeing 0:20:45.560 --> 0:20:48.040 some work that you feel and then you could stand 0:20:48.119 --> 0:20:50.359 right in front of it like in the museum, like 0:20:50.880 --> 0:20:53.640 in the gallery first, and that was like, oh my god. 0:20:54.000 --> 0:20:57.159 I felt like a connection to that. So when I 0:20:57.240 --> 0:21:00.960 connect with people on the downtown in New York, like 0:21:01.240 --> 0:21:04.639 Kristian Debbie from Blondie, Glenn O'Brien rest in Peace, there 0:21:04.680 --> 0:21:07.240 was a whole bunch of cool people I connected with that. 0:21:07.320 --> 0:21:10.800 I got plugged into that downtown scene. And Jean Michelle 0:21:10.800 --> 0:21:14.520 shows up right around that same time. He had started 0:21:14.560 --> 0:21:18.040 out doing these street little him and another cat named 0:21:18.080 --> 0:21:21.200 al Diaz. Initially it was called same O and he 0:21:21.240 --> 0:21:24.720 would tag up like the tag with same O with 0:21:24.760 --> 0:21:25.840 a copyright symbol. 0:21:26.080 --> 0:21:27.080 But he would write. 0:21:26.880 --> 0:21:30.879 These little phrases like they would be checking people or 0:21:31.119 --> 0:21:35.360 really make you think, like messages if you will, kind 0:21:35.359 --> 0:21:37.840 of poetic, but he would be putting people in check, 0:21:37.920 --> 0:21:42.560 like one I remember he was like same o, checking 0:21:42.960 --> 0:21:46.320 those who are on the scene, trying to play art 0:21:46.680 --> 0:21:50.080 with daddy's money, or little things like that that would 0:21:50.119 --> 0:21:52.080 be like, oh, yeah, that's really. 0:21:51.960 --> 0:21:52.680 What's going on. 0:21:53.640 --> 0:21:56.040 Yeah, this would be little tags that would google it. 0:21:56.119 --> 0:21:58.520 You'll see what these same old tags look like. And 0:21:58.560 --> 0:22:00.639 he was just writing them, so there was very like 0:22:01.040 --> 0:22:03.159 you would see them if he was moving through the village. 0:22:03.480 --> 0:22:04.920 He would hit a few trains. 0:22:05.200 --> 0:22:07.800 Him and his cat al Diz did it together. But 0:22:07.840 --> 0:22:11.879 then Jean just you know, became like the he became 0:22:12.119 --> 0:22:14.879 the face of it, so to speak. And so he 0:22:14.960 --> 0:22:17.639 had did that for a while. But he also was 0:22:17.760 --> 0:22:20.440 very creative. He was trying to figure things out and 0:22:20.880 --> 0:22:24.159 thinking about being an artist. He was he was in 0:22:24.200 --> 0:22:26.080 a band for a while. That was a cool thing 0:22:26.119 --> 0:22:28.720 to be on that downtown scene, to be in a band. 0:22:30.400 --> 0:22:34.040 So we meet and then it's like right away he's 0:22:34.240 --> 0:22:37.600 very aware of art history because you know, coming up 0:22:37.600 --> 0:22:40.879 in best style, I'm hanging. You know, I'm thugging, you 0:22:40.920 --> 0:22:43.040 know what I'm saying. I'm doing this, that and the third. 0:22:43.240 --> 0:22:45.919 But I'm just knowing about the art. Stuff was not 0:22:46.119 --> 0:22:48.280 what I'm trying to kick with casts on the corner 0:22:48.400 --> 0:22:50.200 whatever you hip hop niggas was in an artist at 0:22:50.200 --> 0:22:51.960 that time, right, nobody in. 0:22:53.640 --> 0:22:54.240 Band thing. 0:22:54.600 --> 0:22:57.400 So when me and Jean connect and I'm like, yo, 0:22:57.840 --> 0:23:00.399 he hood he from Haiti, He from Haiti. But you know, 0:23:00.600 --> 0:23:03.840 we had similar backgrounds. Both our fathers was like accountants 0:23:03.880 --> 0:23:06.840 and whatever. But he was like, you know, he basically 0:23:06.880 --> 0:23:09.439 had left home. His pops wasn't with it, yo, you know, 0:23:09.760 --> 0:23:11.680 and John just broke off. So he was in the 0:23:11.760 --> 0:23:15.600 village making moves, bouncing around. And so when we connect, 0:23:15.800 --> 0:23:21.120 it was like, yo, I know about Warhall, Jasper, John's Rosenberg, 0:23:21.560 --> 0:23:25.679 all these artists, contemporary artists, abstract expressionists. I was like, 0:23:25.720 --> 0:23:28.240 oh my god, this is incredible. Somebody like my age 0:23:28.400 --> 0:23:30.320 who's up on this stuff. And we could talk about 0:23:30.359 --> 0:23:32.439 this stuff. And so right away it was on a 0:23:32.440 --> 0:23:34.960 similar mission in a similar part of town. We just 0:23:35.000 --> 0:23:37.679 became tight because it wasn't too many brothers on the 0:23:37.760 --> 0:23:40.720 scene at that time trying to make moves and right 0:23:40.760 --> 0:23:43.480 away we linked up. I put I'm putting them on, yo. 0:23:43.600 --> 0:23:45.840 It's this new kind of music going on uptown. Put 0:23:45.920 --> 0:23:48.000 him on the hip hop well once again, it even 0:23:48.040 --> 0:23:52.600 hip hop yet I'm tapping. I got cold crush tapes, 0:23:52.840 --> 0:23:55.560 I got tastes. Was fantastic because I'm getting next to 0:23:55.560 --> 0:23:58.320 the scene now, Yo, this is that new ship right here. 0:23:58.320 --> 0:24:01.800 Because you couldn't hear this anywhere. You feel me, He 0:24:01.920 --> 0:24:03.879 was like, I was like, oh yeah, man, you know. 0:24:04.320 --> 0:24:07.320 And then we're making moves going to the downtown clubs. 0:24:07.359 --> 0:24:10.320 That was a move, like the Mud Club and places 0:24:10.359 --> 0:24:13.080 like that. We bouncing around the East Village downtown and 0:24:13.119 --> 0:24:16.600 that's how it all got popping, and Sean Star begins 0:24:16.640 --> 0:24:19.679 to rise, you know, like rather quickly, just being a 0:24:19.720 --> 0:24:20.879 cool cat on the scene. 0:24:21.480 --> 0:24:23.880 Then we as people see. 0:24:23.640 --> 0:24:26.479 The things that I've done with the art thing, and 0:24:26.720 --> 0:24:30.160 I'm opening and bringing other helping other graffiti casts as 0:24:30.200 --> 0:24:33.200 me and Lee. The name starts to our names start 0:24:33.240 --> 0:24:36.119 to ring a little bit. And then we're working on 0:24:36.240 --> 0:24:38.679 Wild Style where we're gonna feature this so other casts 0:24:38.680 --> 0:24:42.440 that's real official graffiti people. They start coming getting into 0:24:42.440 --> 0:24:45.919 the mix too, because there's this opportunity now to like, 0:24:46.000 --> 0:24:50.000 look at our work in galleries, so it's alternative type 0:24:50.040 --> 0:24:54.159 galleries like the gallery in the South Bronx called Fashion Mota. 0:24:54.880 --> 0:24:57.480 A gallery opened in the East Village really to show 0:24:57.560 --> 0:25:01.439 our work exclusively called the Fun Gallery. And this changed 0:25:01.440 --> 0:25:04.280 the whole game because it had been in Soho, which 0:25:04.320 --> 0:25:07.560 was where the contemporary art scene was really popping. And 0:25:07.600 --> 0:25:11.040 we shifted the whole game with our energy. And then 0:25:11.119 --> 0:25:15.720 this gallery opened to show our work myself Futura Lead, 0:25:16.320 --> 0:25:20.520 Crash Days Pink, and the scene caught fire like real 0:25:20.680 --> 0:25:24.160 quick and it was a war come around you guys 0:25:24.200 --> 0:25:26.240 in this ball hall began because you know, and then 0:25:26.400 --> 0:25:28.080 one of the things I did, because I was such 0:25:28.080 --> 0:25:30.840 a fan and dug his whole like just the whole 0:25:31.200 --> 0:25:33.680 impact he had on culture and you know, the cool 0:25:33.720 --> 0:25:36.600 factor going on, and to let people know that some 0:25:36.640 --> 0:25:40.520 people doing graffiti was really hip to art history. I 0:25:40.600 --> 0:25:47.120 did a train covered in Campbell soup cans Lee got 0:25:47.160 --> 0:25:49.560 down on it with me. Was the idea I had 0:25:49.640 --> 0:25:51.960 to to let them know that we was hip to 0:25:52.080 --> 0:25:54.040 art history and that we was coming. 0:25:54.400 --> 0:25:57.400 We was, you know, the move was on, you feel me, and. 0:25:57.320 --> 0:26:00.760 It began to take. It began to you know, come 0:26:00.800 --> 0:26:02.840 together in ways. 0:26:02.520 --> 0:26:05.199 That you know, I mean, look at the impact to today, 0:26:05.280 --> 0:26:08.760 Like we're in wind Wood right now, an. 0:26:08.640 --> 0:26:11.040 Example of what that exactly? 0:26:11.200 --> 0:26:13.600 Right, let me ask you, Like I said, I knew 0:26:13.600 --> 0:26:16.080 problem with especially I didn't know how special he was. 0:26:16.119 --> 0:26:18.240 I didn't know how legendary he was. I didn't know 0:26:18.240 --> 0:26:20.919 how much he meant to the people till after he 0:26:20.960 --> 0:26:22.399 passed away and I got to see it, and I 0:26:22.680 --> 0:26:24.840 see the impact, and I got to realize that my 0:26:24.920 --> 0:26:28.600 friend always belonged to the world. I thought he was 0:26:28.680 --> 0:26:30.800 just my friend, you know what I'm saying, and like 0:26:30.920 --> 0:26:34.720 for not But what we we got to do was 0:26:34.840 --> 0:26:37.119 we got I got to do records for him. He 0:26:37.200 --> 0:26:39.200 got to do records for me. And there's a bunch 0:26:39.200 --> 0:26:41.399 of records tests laying around. You want to try the 0:26:41.440 --> 0:26:44.520 watermelon mix, the watermelon selica mix, Please just try it 0:26:44.520 --> 0:26:48.040 one time because you want to mix yourself, Like, try 0:26:48.080 --> 0:26:50.600 to try the watermelon just one one drink, just one drink, 0:26:50.640 --> 0:26:53.920 because you're going to turn into kool aid. So so 0:26:54.240 --> 0:26:57.000 me and put we got a chance to do that, right. 0:26:58.040 --> 0:27:00.960 Did you ever like be around Vosqua and be like, 0:27:01.080 --> 0:27:03.040 man drove me some for me. 0:27:04.040 --> 0:27:07.720 That's funny no, but but people ask all the time 0:27:07.760 --> 0:27:13.240 because of the whole undisbelievable phenomenal success of everything. It's 0:27:13.320 --> 0:27:18.120 really it's really like a remarkable thing, and the numbers 0:27:18.160 --> 0:27:22.600 associated with his work, which is just insanity. People often 0:27:22.760 --> 0:27:28.040 always ask, yo, you gotta ain't at work because you know, ridiculous. 0:27:28.119 --> 0:27:29.840 I got a punt birse somewhere later around. 0:27:30.200 --> 0:27:34.399 No, it's such a great comparative, you know, type of 0:27:34.440 --> 0:27:36.960 situation you and pun, me and Jean and me and 0:27:37.040 --> 0:27:37.960 other friends that were. 0:27:37.920 --> 0:27:39.119 Artists, well artists. 0:27:39.160 --> 0:27:41.160 Often times we do is they we give each other 0:27:41.240 --> 0:27:42.960 work or just make a trade. 0:27:42.800 --> 0:27:43.840 Like yo, man, I like that. 0:27:43.960 --> 0:27:46.240 Yo, okay, I got you. You know what I'm saying. 0:27:46.320 --> 0:27:49.439 So those kind of things is how we dealt with 0:27:49.480 --> 0:27:51.119 each other in terms of the work or whatever. 0:27:52.200 --> 0:27:55.760 But yeah, with Jean, like it was just a unique situation. 0:27:56.440 --> 0:27:59.840 He had a sincere understanding of going forward in a 0:28:00.040 --> 0:28:02.879 really hard way and it was such a unique individual. 0:28:03.200 --> 0:28:05.360 Like you would cut his head in real wild kind 0:28:05.400 --> 0:28:07.920 of ways, you know, dreadlocks. 0:28:07.359 --> 0:28:09.960 Growing his he was hot top. 0:28:10.040 --> 0:28:12.080 He would do real wild different things. 0:28:12.160 --> 0:28:14.320 It looks so cool now, but did it look cool 0:28:14.359 --> 0:28:15.240 back then? Yeah? 0:28:15.280 --> 0:28:18.520 But sometimes like being that you know, you got the 0:28:18.600 --> 0:28:22.119 ignorance that goes along with like racism and whatever. A 0:28:22.119 --> 0:28:24.760 lot of people was real cool on the scene, but 0:28:24.880 --> 0:28:28.119 sometimes we'd be making a move walking down certain areas. 0:28:28.119 --> 0:28:29.600 This is before Soho or. 0:28:29.520 --> 0:28:29.879 Any of that. 0:28:29.920 --> 0:28:32.919 Downtown was anything like it is now, and people sometimes 0:28:32.960 --> 0:28:36.440 seeing us, but particularly Jean, they cross on the other 0:28:36.480 --> 0:28:40.400 side of the street his head. People dreadlocks were still 0:28:40.440 --> 0:28:42.480 a new thing, but that's like a come on, what 0:28:42.680 --> 0:28:45.800 you being so stupid? Then that becomes a style now 0:28:45.840 --> 0:28:48.440 that people replicate all over the world, but at that 0:28:48.560 --> 0:28:50.840 time it was really extreme. You really didn't see a 0:28:50.880 --> 0:28:54.080 lot of that, but people would just react really negatively. 0:28:54.200 --> 0:28:56.520 Jean told me sometimes he'd be getting on an elevator 0:28:56.840 --> 0:28:58.800 and folks would see him and give, you know, like 0:28:59.000 --> 0:29:02.320 get off. So that went on. Cabs wasn't trying to 0:29:02.320 --> 0:29:03.640 pick us up. So it was a lot of like 0:29:04.120 --> 0:29:06.920 stuff that we had to deal with more than what 0:29:07.000 --> 0:29:10.280 years is this around. This is like the early eighties 0:29:10.360 --> 0:29:13.280 essentially when it began to start popping for us, early 0:29:13.320 --> 0:29:16.400 eighties going through. But it began to change because a 0:29:16.400 --> 0:29:18.560 lot of the like the white guys that were cab drivers, 0:29:18.640 --> 0:29:21.960 like they moved on and cab drivers, yellow cab javers 0:29:22.000 --> 0:29:23.160 primarily became. 0:29:23.760 --> 0:29:26.000 People of color and things changed. 0:29:26.560 --> 0:29:29.000 But but definitely Jean, you know, it's just an incredible cat, 0:29:29.080 --> 0:29:30.760 real cool. We had a lot of fun going to 0:29:30.800 --> 0:29:35.160 clubs doing things. But uh, you know, he definitely just exploded, 0:29:35.200 --> 0:29:36.840 which was amazing to see it happened. 0:29:37.280 --> 0:29:40.280 It was was he like the because we hear other 0:29:40.760 --> 0:29:44.720 and this is pure ignorance, correct question. All we hear 0:29:44.960 --> 0:29:49.680 other black artists, but we don't hear other black cool artists, 0:29:49.760 --> 0:29:53.880 right right. Was there other artists before him? Yeah? There was, 0:29:53.920 --> 0:29:54.160 There was. 0:29:54.200 --> 0:29:57.080 There was definitely other black artists because of the segregation, 0:29:57.240 --> 0:30:00.040 and it was a black art scene for sure. That 0:30:00.120 --> 0:30:03.240 goes back to the time of the Harlem Renaissance and 0:30:03.320 --> 0:30:04.960 like and what have you. You know what I'm saying, 0:30:05.920 --> 0:30:11.760 artists like Romar Beard and Jacob Lawrence. There's incredible black 0:30:11.840 --> 0:30:14.200 artists that made incredible work. A part of the Harlem 0:30:14.280 --> 0:30:18.120 Renaissance happening was black folks for the first time in 0:30:18.160 --> 0:30:20.520 our history being in this in this country, and you 0:30:20.800 --> 0:30:21.920 obviously know the history. 0:30:22.360 --> 0:30:24.200 We was coming, we was migrating. 0:30:24.280 --> 0:30:26.280 It was called a great migration from the South, and 0:30:26.720 --> 0:30:30.400 still oppression after slavery ended, Black folks was like we 0:30:30.560 --> 0:30:33.040 going north, were trying to get to Chicago. We're trying 0:30:33.040 --> 0:30:34.960 to get to New York. Even though they probably raised 0:30:34.960 --> 0:30:36.960 the prices on us. We were trying to get away 0:30:36.960 --> 0:30:38.040 from all that pressure that we. 0:30:37.960 --> 0:30:38.600 Were still under. 0:30:38.880 --> 0:30:41.920 And I like to think that the celebration that went 0:30:42.000 --> 0:30:44.920 on of kind of feeling free for the first time 0:30:45.200 --> 0:30:48.120 that really created the Harlem Renaissance. So people began to 0:30:48.120 --> 0:30:51.120 start writing intellectual stuff, you know. 0:30:52.040 --> 0:30:55.600 Like Harlem Art Flourish and our flourish, you know. 0:30:55.640 --> 0:30:59.080 Marcus Garvey, like we move in politics, like we really 0:30:59.200 --> 0:31:04.080 exercising all the elements. And so they were artists, incredible 0:31:04.120 --> 0:31:06.680 visual artists at that time, and there were writers like 0:31:06.760 --> 0:31:08.719 Langston used like zor Neil Hurston. 0:31:08.880 --> 0:31:14.200 There's a whole you know, why was the the artist 0:31:14.280 --> 0:31:17.760 hip hop and breeze. That's a great. 0:31:17.640 --> 0:31:20.440 Question, And I guess it's the cool factor. 0:31:21.040 --> 0:31:23.240 This is so great to see all this chance. 0:31:23.400 --> 0:31:26.200 You I'm trying to throw you. That's a bit of that. 0:31:26.600 --> 0:31:28.400 But yeah, absolutely so was. 0:31:28.320 --> 0:31:31.560 It was it back then? Was not seen embracing him 0:31:31.680 --> 0:31:34.680 because I want to see sorry, I want to look 0:31:34.680 --> 0:31:38.040 at it like you you are to go all right, 0:31:38.200 --> 0:31:41.440 this this art and hip hop right, Yeah, hip hop 0:31:41.520 --> 0:31:45.520 is art right correct, that's one man percept. But I 0:31:45.640 --> 0:31:48.600 want to credit you. This is my opinion. This is 0:31:48.640 --> 0:31:50.760 this is not bad saying. It's just me saying that 0:31:51.240 --> 0:31:54.000 what the person who brong art into hip hop? 0:31:54.640 --> 0:31:58.520 Yeah, I pulled that true because because now you see, 0:31:58.720 --> 0:31:59.480 you see jay Z. 0:31:59.680 --> 0:32:01.680 I had a conversation with jay Z for two minutes 0:32:01.760 --> 0:32:03.200 and he was talking to me about art. I knew 0:32:03.200 --> 0:32:06.160 nothing he was talking about, but I was saying so. 0:32:06.200 --> 0:32:10.680 Once again, I was like, yep, because I did so 0:32:10.800 --> 0:32:13.440 at that point in the game, clearly you're getting I'm 0:32:13.520 --> 0:32:16.080 the kind of helping lay down the foundations of this. 0:32:16.720 --> 0:32:18.320 And it's not too many people. 0:32:18.800 --> 0:32:22.120 But in the conversations Jean and I would have, these 0:32:22.160 --> 0:32:25.440 are things we would sometimes talk about. We knew that 0:32:26.480 --> 0:32:29.520 we would eventually get it. It's just that we was 0:32:29.600 --> 0:32:32.560 in position at a time. We was just way ahead. 0:32:33.080 --> 0:32:33.680 And so. 0:32:35.680 --> 0:32:38.400 What I think a part of what happened is which 0:32:38.440 --> 0:32:41.720 was fascinating for me because most people know me from 0:32:41.760 --> 0:32:44.800 what I've done, even though my foundation and background is 0:32:44.840 --> 0:32:48.440 making art, exhibiting all of that stuff. Along with Jean 0:32:48.440 --> 0:32:51.520 and these other people, I had other interests as well, 0:32:51.680 --> 0:32:54.200 to work in film to work in music. Jean did 0:32:54.240 --> 0:32:57.720 as well, and so Jean starred in a film called 0:32:57.760 --> 0:33:01.640 Downtown Edy One. We talked about producing movies. We was 0:33:01.680 --> 0:33:05.040 into foreign films. He turned me on the foreign films. 0:33:05.080 --> 0:33:05.880 I turned him on. 0:33:05.880 --> 0:33:10.800 This stuff like the surrealist films of Lewis Bounell, that 0:33:11.120 --> 0:33:14.320 Salvador Dolly worked with them doing wild stuff on films. 0:33:14.320 --> 0:33:18.960 So we was he everybody he was Yeah, it was 0:33:19.160 --> 0:33:21.880 like a surrealist, but he was a brilliant guy. That was. 0:33:22.240 --> 0:33:24.400 That was a big influence on what Andy because he 0:33:24.440 --> 0:33:27.800 was the most famous artist until Andy, like he became 0:33:27.840 --> 0:33:32.880 that that was a very specific thing and so damn, 0:33:32.920 --> 0:33:34.960 these are the things that we were We were all 0:33:35.000 --> 0:33:39.000 focused on, you know at the time, and uh, you know, 0:33:39.160 --> 0:33:42.720 and Jean definitely we were. This is the part of 0:33:42.760 --> 0:33:45.000 the thing that we shared. We were both aware of, 0:33:45.360 --> 0:33:48.760 you know, how the game had been played, but being 0:33:49.160 --> 0:33:51.600 artists of color, how to maneuver and how to make 0:33:51.680 --> 0:33:54.520 moves into the scene. So we had that synergy like 0:33:54.800 --> 0:33:56.560 that punk rock and that new wave thing was a 0:33:56.560 --> 0:33:59.200 lot of people that were open that we connected with 0:33:59.600 --> 0:34:01.920 that and saw what we were doing and looked at 0:34:01.960 --> 0:34:04.080 it in the proper way. And that's how once again 0:34:04.160 --> 0:34:07.120 some of the first shows and stuff began to happen, 0:34:07.320 --> 0:34:08.120 you know what I'm saying. 0:34:08.320 --> 0:34:11.880 And so it felt like the all of these, all 0:34:11.920 --> 0:34:15.759 of these scenes are like the counterculture scenes of the 0:34:15.760 --> 0:34:18.440 time that were correct, correct, correct, kind of they kind 0:34:18.440 --> 0:34:21.720 of saw kinship and all being counterculture. 0:34:21.200 --> 0:34:23.720 Absolutely, And that's the part of what I dug too, 0:34:24.200 --> 0:34:26.200 even though I'm a little kid when I'm reading about 0:34:26.200 --> 0:34:29.640 stuff that happened in the sixties, when Andy just popped 0:34:29.640 --> 0:34:30.120 off and. 0:34:30.080 --> 0:34:33.120 The Warhol, Andy Warholl were. 0:34:33.040 --> 0:34:36.279 Talking about the sixties, we talk in rock and roll, 0:34:36.360 --> 0:34:40.080 We talking that whole cultural revolution. 0:34:39.760 --> 0:34:40.359 That went on. 0:34:40.800 --> 0:34:44.960 Andy Andy controlled, he didn't control. Andy was like dominant 0:34:44.960 --> 0:34:47.520 forcing that, and so looking at those other elements, and 0:34:47.520 --> 0:34:50.200 plus they was having mad fun, we'd all look so 0:34:50.320 --> 0:34:53.759 cool to us. So we definitely were inspired by that 0:34:53.920 --> 0:34:56.960 and looking to do in some regards our version of that, 0:34:57.000 --> 0:34:59.359 you know what I'm saying. And eventually when we began 0:34:59.440 --> 0:35:02.279 to get it popped and Andy came around like yo, 0:35:02.400 --> 0:35:04.680 y'all doing it, you know what I'm saying, and make 0:35:04.680 --> 0:35:08.040 connections with him, it was an encouraging thing and it 0:35:08.280 --> 0:35:10.080 just kind of continued to grow. 0:35:10.280 --> 0:35:15.520 Now someone's the same question with Andy Warhol. Right, if 0:35:15.520 --> 0:35:20.400 a person has Andy Warhol in the house, right, that 0:35:20.560 --> 0:35:24.360 is like a safe that's that's like you know, you 0:35:24.360 --> 0:35:27.160 shouldn't even have it in your house. Yeah, it's crazy. Now. 0:35:27.200 --> 0:35:29.440 That's why once again the question that I get asked 0:35:29.480 --> 0:35:32.440 about if I have Bosky, It's like, wow, it's an 0:35:32.480 --> 0:35:33.160 awkward question. 0:35:33.360 --> 0:35:35.799 I feel like you guys like stuff that he do. 0:35:36.200 --> 0:35:37.800 That said because. 0:35:38.360 --> 0:35:41.080 Because of the value, like like you got people that 0:35:41.200 --> 0:35:43.480 have you know, when the art gets that crazy, you 0:35:43.560 --> 0:35:44.040 have to have. 0:35:44.200 --> 0:35:47.280 You have to secure it. It has to be ensured. 0:35:47.320 --> 0:35:49.480 You want to you have to have next levels of. 0:35:49.800 --> 0:35:52.000 You know, security. 0:35:52.440 --> 0:35:55.040 Sometimes it's like like do you want to have you know, 0:35:55.080 --> 0:35:56.440 you got to make sure everything is right. 0:35:56.520 --> 0:35:57.600 It's crazy because. 0:35:57.400 --> 0:35:59.360 Do you feel weird though that you're in certain country? 0:35:59.360 --> 0:36:02.840 But do you feel weird that your friend's work is 0:36:02.880 --> 0:36:05.839 so valuable and that you now you have maybe something 0:36:05.840 --> 0:36:08.400 of value that but this was just your friend, you 0:36:08.440 --> 0:36:09.000 know what it is? 0:36:09.440 --> 0:36:11.319 It is you know, the whole thing about John, not 0:36:11.440 --> 0:36:16.200 just that the whole way it's developed. It's just phenomenal 0:36:16.840 --> 0:36:20.120 that his unfortunate, it's so unfortunate that his life was 0:36:20.160 --> 0:36:25.520 so short. But that the effect continues and resonates at 0:36:25.520 --> 0:36:28.600 a level that's just unprecedented, and that's so dope for 0:36:28.719 --> 0:36:33.200 me twenty seven which unfortunately people talk about. 0:36:33.000 --> 0:36:35.320 Twenty seven Club exactly. That's crazy. 0:36:36.560 --> 0:36:41.120 Jimmy Hendricks, Jimmy Wyerson, Amy white House, someone just recently 0:36:41.239 --> 0:36:43.839 just wow, passages I forget. 0:36:43.600 --> 0:36:46.240 Because that's what a bunch of sixties once again iconic 0:36:46.280 --> 0:36:49.560 people that just was happening and running things. Jim Morrison, right, 0:36:49.719 --> 0:36:54.680 Jim Morrison, Jimmy Hendrix, Jannis Choplin, probably some others. So 0:36:54.719 --> 0:36:59.160 it's just an unfortunate thing. But oh the other thing, 0:36:59.520 --> 0:37:01.759 I lost the train of thought to answer something you 0:37:01.840 --> 0:37:05.080 brought up before, which was brilliant. What I have noticed, 0:37:06.160 --> 0:37:09.440 and it is when people get curious about Jean and 0:37:09.480 --> 0:37:14.320 they lean in, they see that we had this close connection, 0:37:14.760 --> 0:37:16.960 and once again, most people know me from you know, 0:37:17.200 --> 0:37:19.520 being on TV, going TV raps this, that, and the 0:37:19.560 --> 0:37:22.640 third not knowing a bunch about my art background, which 0:37:22.719 --> 0:37:25.200 is all good. Then they go, oh, my goodness. And 0:37:25.280 --> 0:37:26.440 so that got a lot. 0:37:26.280 --> 0:37:28.200 Of hip hop folks curious. 0:37:28.200 --> 0:37:30.120 People will run up on me, You're father, like I 0:37:30.160 --> 0:37:32.959 was checking, you know, this cat out Sean Michelle whatever, 0:37:33.000 --> 0:37:34.640 you know, it's hard to say his name at first. 0:37:34.640 --> 0:37:35.800 Now people can say. 0:37:35.600 --> 0:37:36.560 It, right, Yo. 0:37:36.640 --> 0:37:39.720 I saw that, you know, y'all was hanging and everything 0:37:39.880 --> 0:37:42.360 like what's up with that? And I'm like, well, and 0:37:42.440 --> 0:37:44.920 I love that so much because I'm like, this is 0:37:44.920 --> 0:37:47.000 one of the things once again, Jean and I wanted, 0:37:47.400 --> 0:37:50.399 we wanted our people to connect with it. People coming 0:37:50.440 --> 0:37:52.160 from where we're coming from the understand this. 0:37:52.600 --> 0:37:55.280 And that has happened in great ways now. 0:37:55.520 --> 0:37:57.480 So as far as black artists that I talked a 0:37:57.520 --> 0:37:59.880 little bit about from the Harlem Renaissance or whatever, and 0:38:00.120 --> 0:38:02.880 it was popping black artists all through time, they just 0:38:03.040 --> 0:38:08.040 was kind of like everything largely was segregated. Now there's 0:38:08.080 --> 0:38:10.719 a lot of younger black artists that are doing things 0:38:10.840 --> 0:38:15.719 that are definitely making serious inroads. And because of the awareness, 0:38:16.160 --> 0:38:18.800 more people are now looking at those older black artists 0:38:18.840 --> 0:38:22.360 that didn't get the treatment from the museums exactly. So 0:38:22.560 --> 0:38:24.919 now this has all happened within the last I say, 0:38:24.920 --> 0:38:27.960 ten years, was where they decided, man, we have all 0:38:28.000 --> 0:38:30.520 this work in the museum, but we don't have enough 0:38:30.520 --> 0:38:33.520 from our Beard Jacob Lawrence and a bunch of other 0:38:33.719 --> 0:38:36.440 very important artists that they should have been appreciation and 0:38:36.520 --> 0:38:38.400 so that has happened now And. 0:38:38.560 --> 0:38:41.520 That's another stupid question. It's not stupid. 0:38:42.040 --> 0:38:46.280 Who painted the Good Times poster? Oh that's a great question, 0:38:46.360 --> 0:38:49.680 by the way. That's an artist named Ernie Barnes. Ernie 0:38:49.680 --> 0:38:53.120 actually was an NFL football player and sand and his 0:38:53.680 --> 0:38:56.800 side thing was just doing He had this unique style 0:38:56.880 --> 0:39:00.680 of doing them characters and then be and in Good 0:39:00.760 --> 0:39:04.120 Times and Marvin Gaye's album I want to say, what's 0:39:04.200 --> 0:39:04.920 going on? 0:39:05.000 --> 0:39:06.320 What's going on? Made? 0:39:06.440 --> 0:39:08.040 That's the cover. He did the cover art. 0:39:08.320 --> 0:39:11.839 It made him iconic, and once again, I think he's 0:39:11.880 --> 0:39:15.640 passed away, but there's a people now realizing his work 0:39:16.120 --> 0:39:18.440 that that value and you know is. 0:39:19.120 --> 0:39:21.520 And I think Eddie Murphy said he has the original 0:39:21.800 --> 0:39:24.799 exactly believe it's eight million dollars or. 0:39:25.160 --> 0:39:27.160 Once again, which is a reflection of the fact that 0:39:27.200 --> 0:39:29.160 people are like, oh my god, this is an important 0:39:29.160 --> 0:39:32.360 work of art. It was also connected to the TV 0:39:32.440 --> 0:39:36.640 show to a great album. So that's another very good point, 0:39:36.840 --> 0:39:39.799 like Ernie Bond's incredible incredible. 0:39:42.080 --> 0:39:46.120 Yes, yes, real quick, I want to go back to 0:39:46.160 --> 0:39:49.920 the making a wall style and yes, the place, the 0:39:49.960 --> 0:39:52.160 time frame that is being made this is is this 0:39:52.320 --> 0:39:55.640 pre Zulunation or Zolnation around this time as well. 0:39:55.680 --> 0:39:56.200 Good question. 0:39:56.640 --> 0:39:59.759 I think that's probably around the time because we like 0:40:00.239 --> 0:40:03.800 we're doing this early eighties and a lot of that happened. 0:40:03.640 --> 0:40:06.359 You know, this story about Zulu Nation and whatever and 0:40:06.400 --> 0:40:08.200 bringing all the gangs together, coming. 0:40:08.000 --> 0:40:10.480 To gang, the gangs coming together, so so the gang 0:40:10.520 --> 0:40:14.360 thing kind of ends. That's a wind down late seventies, 0:40:14.520 --> 0:40:16.680 like from Brooklyn. But that was kind of you know, 0:40:16.719 --> 0:40:21.520 you look at the documentaries and so that they begin 0:40:21.880 --> 0:40:24.440 after that, and as the parties grew. 0:40:24.320 --> 0:40:26.920 You know, you would hear uh you know, you know, 0:40:26.960 --> 0:40:27.840 the Zulu Nation. 0:40:27.760 --> 0:40:32.080 Because BAM's name was growing as playing records at that 0:40:32.360 --> 0:40:34.520 in that side of the Bronx and whatever. He was 0:40:34.560 --> 0:40:38.600 strong and other groups around him, Soul Sonic and a 0:40:38.640 --> 0:40:40.480 few other ike you see. You know, it was a 0:40:40.520 --> 0:40:46.239 bunch of other things under that. But Yo, while Star 0:40:46.520 --> 0:40:49.920 was like I would say, when we started making a 0:40:49.920 --> 0:40:52.960 movie Rappers the Delight, I don't think have really even. 0:40:52.760 --> 0:40:53.719 Come out that came out. 0:40:53.920 --> 0:40:56.000 I don't think the time Charlie and I had begun 0:40:56.160 --> 0:40:58.520 to really work on the film, there was some local 0:40:58.760 --> 0:41:01.360 records that came out that I thought were very important, 0:41:01.480 --> 0:41:05.640 like on the label called Enjoy like super rapping, and 0:41:06.360 --> 0:41:08.880 then Spoony g. It was like a solo So there 0:41:08.880 --> 0:41:10.840 were a few things that came out, but it was 0:41:10.880 --> 0:41:14.279 sugar Hill the rappers d Light really opened a lot 0:41:14.360 --> 0:41:16.840 of people up because they got it charted or like 0:41:16.880 --> 0:41:21.319 across the country. Yes, that's one of the kind of 0:41:21.320 --> 0:41:24.040 things he would do. Yeah, this is a good one, 0:41:24.080 --> 0:41:29.000 same old But those of us who merely tolerate civilization 0:41:29.440 --> 0:41:32.200 and you see these things and people were like, is 0:41:32.239 --> 0:41:35.399 this some type of like a conceptual artist because most 0:41:35.520 --> 0:41:38.120 everybody else was doing their names and tagging and had 0:41:38.160 --> 0:41:39.680 their own style. 0:41:39.400 --> 0:41:40.680 Of how they did their graffiti. 0:41:41.000 --> 0:41:43.680 So it caught a lot of people once you if 0:41:43.719 --> 0:41:46.360 you were tapped into the downtown scene and were very curious, 0:41:46.400 --> 0:41:50.120 like who is this cat? And when he emerges and 0:41:50.200 --> 0:41:52.720 we actually meet at this party, it's a great story 0:41:53.640 --> 0:41:56.400 in my memoir. I meet these guys that have a 0:41:56.440 --> 0:42:00.400 big loft, like and they're trying to create this like scene, 0:42:00.560 --> 0:42:03.560 like this art scene, and they and me and Lee 0:42:03.640 --> 0:42:06.759 connect with them and we painted these big class lead sheets. 0:42:07.200 --> 0:42:12.520 Lee star and is he Puerto Rican? 0:42:12.760 --> 0:42:16.399 Yes he is, He's Puerto Rican? Lee, Yes, he thought 0:42:16.440 --> 0:42:18.239 it was him that's his name is mister Lee. Mister 0:42:19.600 --> 0:42:23.240 he got yeah. 0:42:23.400 --> 0:42:26.239 Now was like the pinnacle of graffiti. What he had 0:42:26.280 --> 0:42:28.560 did that was like groundbreaking at that time. 0:42:29.120 --> 0:42:31.279 Obviously, most graffiti really is on. 0:42:31.200 --> 0:42:34.680 The size of trains, the letters, the characters are developing. 0:42:34.200 --> 0:42:35.719 The colors. Lee paints on. 0:42:35.719 --> 0:42:38.880 An entire handball card, the image of how. 0:42:38.719 --> 0:42:45.960 It can you remember the story? Absolutely? I didn't realize 0:42:45.960 --> 0:42:49.400 how racist people are. WHOA. I went to a handball 0:42:49.440 --> 0:42:50.960 court the other day. Ship. 0:42:51.160 --> 0:42:51.359 Oh. 0:42:51.440 --> 0:42:54.680 My comments was now we really know you Puerto Rican. 0:42:54.800 --> 0:42:59.200 I'm like, oh wow, it was the most racist black 0:42:59.239 --> 0:43:00.080 people played him. 0:43:00.120 --> 0:43:01.160 Ball to y'all. 0:43:01.440 --> 0:43:03.480 But you know what the fun up Ship, well was 0:43:03.560 --> 0:43:05.759 they did. They just attacked my Puerto Rican side, bro 0:43:06.160 --> 0:43:09.520 like they destroyed me like they was like it was 0:43:09.560 --> 0:43:12.680 like your only Puerto Ricans is going it was. It 0:43:12.719 --> 0:43:15.480 was the coldest day in Miami. I saw in Miami 0:43:15.840 --> 0:43:19.319 and I found out there was a handball I could 0:43:19.320 --> 0:43:26.920 not exist. Was like this real Puerto Rican Ship. I'm like, damn, 0:43:27.320 --> 0:43:30.799 I'm sorry, I'm sorry I had he said that. 0:43:30.840 --> 0:43:33.720 He used to do pieces of my hand damn giant 0:43:33.760 --> 0:43:34.520 handball card. 0:43:34.920 --> 0:43:36.399 The image of how with the duck. 0:43:36.520 --> 0:43:39.200 It was like, wow, nobody had did anything like that. 0:43:39.280 --> 0:43:41.360 You know, I was up about twenty thirty feet, you know, 0:43:41.960 --> 0:43:44.839 And so Lee was the master of the game. And 0:43:44.840 --> 0:43:48.080 when I connected with him with these ideas once again 0:43:48.840 --> 0:43:51.359 we said, he was like, let's get busy and do this, 0:43:51.400 --> 0:43:54.239 and that led to us having an exhibit at a 0:43:54.239 --> 0:43:58.600 gallery in Rome, very prestigious. Gas Crazy got our first 0:43:58.600 --> 0:44:01.200 little item written up in the villa his voice and 0:44:01.239 --> 0:44:04.440 this just Italian Ardealer had been seeing the work on 0:44:04.520 --> 0:44:06.640 the trains and he was thinking, like I was, this 0:44:06.800 --> 0:44:07.120 is like. 0:44:07.239 --> 0:44:09.000 A next level of pop art. 0:44:09.200 --> 0:44:11.200 And when he saw who we were and we had 0:44:11.560 --> 0:44:13.800 I was standing in front of Lee's wall. 0:44:13.880 --> 0:44:15.000 In fact, because Lee. 0:44:15.360 --> 0:44:18.080 Along with being super super dope one of the best 0:44:18.120 --> 0:44:18.879 that was doing it. 0:44:20.040 --> 0:44:21.800 He was the. 0:44:22.840 --> 0:44:25.839 He was the most warned graffiti artist in New York City. 0:44:25.920 --> 0:44:30.080 They literally have like posters wanted by the by the 0:44:30.120 --> 0:44:32.520 transit police at the time. It was like real serious. 0:44:32.560 --> 0:44:35.240 So so so Lee had the kids. Part of his 0:44:35.320 --> 0:44:37.040 part of the skill of being nice in the game 0:44:37.160 --> 0:44:40.000 is not getting caught. So he was stealthy with it, 0:44:40.080 --> 0:44:42.759 like super low key and out He's like, yo, you 0:44:42.920 --> 0:44:44.520 go out and beat the face and you know, get 0:44:44.520 --> 0:44:46.839 to get it popping like that, which I did, and 0:44:46.880 --> 0:44:49.720 so that me standing in front of his wall telling 0:44:49.719 --> 0:44:52.320 the story of who we are a little young kids 0:44:52.320 --> 0:44:53.880 taking it from trains. 0:44:54.280 --> 0:44:54.520 You know. 0:44:54.880 --> 0:44:58.520 We inspired by the same stuff as Warhol, Roy, Lichtenstein, 0:44:58.680 --> 0:45:01.680 whatever whatever. This is how this our dealer gave. 0:45:01.560 --> 0:45:03.680 Us a show and that was huge. 0:45:03.880 --> 0:45:07.480 He's like the original what's the British dude that's anonymous? 0:45:07.520 --> 0:45:11.600 What was his name? The Wells is inspired by Least 0:45:12.480 --> 0:45:16.239 there describing it that you guys get it well Banks? Yeah, 0:45:16.280 --> 0:45:18.239 because Lee say he wants to meet Banks. 0:45:19.040 --> 0:45:23.879 Yeah he's super low key, but he's no. But we 0:45:23.880 --> 0:45:27.000 we exchanged, you know people, because he keeps it low 0:45:27.040 --> 0:45:31.640 key but he definitely no. But you gotta you have 0:45:31.719 --> 0:45:33.560 to reach the people that have engaged. 0:45:33.600 --> 0:45:35.480 But what he's doing is so specific. 0:45:35.520 --> 0:45:38.680 You have to respected gangst of all that because it 0:45:38.760 --> 0:45:43.360 was brilliant. But I'm told he was inspired by Lee's 0:45:43.440 --> 0:45:47.479 character in Wildstyle because whoa least character and Wild Style 0:45:47.560 --> 0:45:50.640 is Zorrow. Essentially none of the other graph people know 0:45:50.680 --> 0:45:53.760 who he is, which is inspired by how Lee actually 0:45:53.800 --> 0:45:54.279 got down. 0:45:54.400 --> 0:45:55.640 So that was weird. 0:45:56.040 --> 0:45:58.640 The ideas of the story of Wild Style come from 0:45:58.680 --> 0:46:01.600 things that were going on all around us, like we're 0:46:01.600 --> 0:46:03.319 about to connect with the art scene. 0:46:03.320 --> 0:46:06.080 We go to the art collective spot. 0:46:06.640 --> 0:46:09.520 You know, Patty Asta plays the journalists coming to write 0:46:09.520 --> 0:46:12.760 about us, and you know, so it captures that period 0:46:13.000 --> 0:46:15.880 when the culture is just beginning to get taken serious 0:46:16.160 --> 0:46:18.239 and looked at in a in a wait a minute, 0:46:18.280 --> 0:46:21.920 what's going on here? What are you guys doing? And so, yeah, 0:46:21.960 --> 0:46:23.760 so that was but it's. 0:46:23.560 --> 0:46:29.879 So rough it almost feels like a documentary reality. That's exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:46:30.040 --> 0:46:32.239 it feels. 0:46:31.239 --> 0:46:34.520 Sort of like a docu drama because we intentionally wanted 0:46:34.520 --> 0:46:37.480 it to have an energy like that. Because all the 0:46:37.520 --> 0:46:39.920 people that play the characters were really who they were, 0:46:40.000 --> 0:46:43.799 so we gave them little direction, here's the idea of 0:46:43.840 --> 0:46:46.840 what we want you to say, say it how you'd say. 0:46:48.200 --> 0:46:50.720 And then you have people like Busy Bee, who literally 0:46:50.760 --> 0:46:51.400 is like a start. 0:46:51.719 --> 0:46:53.239 He steals every scene he's in. 0:46:53.520 --> 0:46:55.719 So when me and Charlie are going to the parties, 0:46:55.800 --> 0:46:58.239 constantly taking notes on who we want to put in 0:46:58.280 --> 0:47:02.520 the movie, Busy's just had this most unique personality. In fact, 0:47:02.520 --> 0:47:04.720 when we the first time we go to the Bronx 0:47:05.239 --> 0:47:07.720 to start our research. 0:47:07.520 --> 0:47:08.439 We go to a park. 0:47:08.480 --> 0:47:10.640 It's called a valley way up in the North Bronx 0:47:11.239 --> 0:47:14.600 and we walk in and we were checking things out. 0:47:14.800 --> 0:47:18.439 It's me and this white dude, Charlie, and we walk 0:47:18.560 --> 0:47:21.200 up on Busy and Busy kind of kind of what's 0:47:21.239 --> 0:47:24.040 going on? And then Charlie is like, Hey, I'm Charlie. 0:47:24.239 --> 0:47:25.000 This is Fred. 0:47:25.239 --> 0:47:28.200 We're here to make a movie on the rap scene, 0:47:28.600 --> 0:47:31.359 and Busy goes what Busy runs right up on the mic, 0:47:31.640 --> 0:47:32.640 brings Charlie up. 0:47:32.880 --> 0:47:34.160 Yo, y'all, he's here. 0:47:34.000 --> 0:47:38.000 To make a movie about me, about him, about him, 0:47:38.480 --> 0:47:41.799 And we became immediately connected because he's like, what's going on? 0:47:41.920 --> 0:47:44.400 Like you just see no no kind of white folks 0:47:44.480 --> 0:47:45.560 going out to the Bronx. 0:47:45.560 --> 0:47:48.399 And that's in the Stick is the Stick Apart. You've 0:47:48.400 --> 0:47:50.120 talked about this before. There's like the part where the 0:47:50.160 --> 0:47:53.120 guys come up to like to rob y'all or something 0:47:53.120 --> 0:47:53.399 in the. 0:47:53.440 --> 0:47:55.759 Oh God, yeah, that's at one of the parties we 0:47:55.800 --> 0:47:59.000 was at and this cat was on dust, big strong, 0:47:59.160 --> 0:48:02.319 overly muscle bound cat and I'm looking at this cat 0:48:02.400 --> 0:48:07.080 like this, this dude is crazy and and I'm like, Charlie, 0:48:07.080 --> 0:48:08.600 you know, because this is you want to stick up 0:48:08.680 --> 0:48:10.719 kids and all this is going on at this time 0:48:11.080 --> 0:48:14.040 every time. You know how I used to get down, 0:48:14.160 --> 0:48:16.040 and so going up to the Bronx, which is not 0:48:16.120 --> 0:48:18.759 my territory, I'm constantly thinking this every time. 0:48:19.400 --> 0:48:20.840 But you know what Busy told. 0:48:20.600 --> 0:48:23.080 Me, and I'll get back to the to the to 0:48:23.120 --> 0:48:25.280 the you know the big, big guy of a smoking dust. 0:48:25.520 --> 0:48:27.919 Busy told me when we first walked up to him, 0:48:28.120 --> 0:48:31.560 he thought we was the police, like the mod squad 0:48:31.640 --> 0:48:33.719 or some ship like a like a like a. 0:48:33.680 --> 0:48:34.880 Par typical box people. 0:48:35.560 --> 0:48:36.040 We didn't. 0:48:36.080 --> 0:48:38.200 We looked like, who's this white guy? Here's this black 0:48:38.239 --> 0:48:42.080 guy with They gotta be undercovered. It's party, got to 0:48:42.080 --> 0:48:44.960 be playing clothes cops. This is this can't be happening 0:48:45.400 --> 0:48:47.560 and that and anyway. So we had this party one 0:48:47.640 --> 0:48:49.560 night and this dude is walking around looking crazy. 0:48:49.560 --> 0:48:51.320 He had his shirt off, he cocked diesel. 0:48:51.960 --> 0:48:54.440 Everybody's moving out of his way. And this is at 0:48:54.480 --> 0:48:56.960 a jam. So it's you know, people thugging it, but 0:48:57.080 --> 0:48:57.480 jam is. 0:48:57.440 --> 0:48:58.040 A party, guys. 0:48:58.120 --> 0:49:03.200 Yeah, the whole night we did. You know, cats is down. 0:49:03.360 --> 0:49:05.160 I remember Cold Crushes on the mic. You know, a 0:49:05.160 --> 0:49:08.600 bunch of cast of characters, you know, typical uptown party 0:49:08.640 --> 0:49:10.640 at that time. And I'm constantly going man, I hope 0:49:10.640 --> 0:49:13.480 this cat don't lock onto us because this looks like 0:49:13.520 --> 0:49:16.239 it'd be crazy. And then me and Charlie because Charlie 0:49:16.280 --> 0:49:18.520 would always have a camera and we're taking pictures. You 0:49:18.520 --> 0:49:20.440 know how, we did all the research, like you look 0:49:20.480 --> 0:49:24.160 into early history. Some of the earliest photos now are 0:49:24.400 --> 0:49:27.760 photos that Charlie and I took and making and making 0:49:27.800 --> 0:49:31.279 wild style and doing our research. At some point I 0:49:31.640 --> 0:49:35.200 look up and this cat locks onto us. It's really 0:49:35.280 --> 0:49:38.840 Charlie and I see this cat start sliding through the party, 0:49:38.840 --> 0:49:42.719 across the party, coming our way, going, yo, this is 0:49:42.719 --> 0:49:43.760 going to be dude. 0:49:43.680 --> 0:49:45.799 Six six everybody. 0:49:45.960 --> 0:49:49.400 Yeah, he looked he definitely dusted because he dude's moving 0:49:49.480 --> 0:49:51.719 kind of kind of crazy. It's like, the fuck is 0:49:51.719 --> 0:49:54.520 going on? And so I'm looking for something to get 0:49:54.560 --> 0:49:57.400 my hands on because I'm thinking, yo, it's about to 0:49:57.440 --> 0:50:00.520 go down for real. So he walks right up to us. 0:50:01.160 --> 0:50:06.440 He's standing there, and Charlie goes fred, I think he 0:50:06.520 --> 0:50:12.640 wants me to take his picture. The ship was super white, funny, 0:50:13.000 --> 0:50:15.239 and the dude looked at Charlie. 0:50:16.719 --> 0:50:19.680 And he just turned and slid off the ship. We 0:50:19.760 --> 0:50:20.399 must I. 0:50:20.320 --> 0:50:23.520 Mean, I'm like, I swear to God, like I felt 0:50:23.520 --> 0:50:25.759 like I didn't breathe for two minutes because I'm like, yo, 0:50:25.800 --> 0:50:27.480 this is about to go down. He about to hit 0:50:27.520 --> 0:50:28.960 my man. You know, I got to jump in it. 0:50:29.040 --> 0:50:32.520 But this dude looked crazy, you know. Anyway, that was 0:50:32.600 --> 0:50:35.440 just one of many that was you know, nothing really 0:50:35.440 --> 0:50:36.840 went down, which basically is. 0:50:36.840 --> 0:50:38.799 The whole thing. 0:50:38.320 --> 0:50:42.359 Everything was cool, and we made the movie, which still 0:50:42.440 --> 0:50:50.239 is like a remarkable thing. Hold lot said so once, 0:50:50.280 --> 0:50:51.799 Like I said, so. One of the things I did 0:50:51.840 --> 0:50:55.640 I made all the instrumental beats because with Charlie was 0:50:55.680 --> 0:50:58.319 like no, which I mentioned earlier, and so I went 0:50:58.360 --> 0:51:01.879 into the studio and made basically what I was considering 0:51:02.400 --> 0:51:07.200 like a record of breakbeats, about eleven tracks, all instrumental. 0:51:07.840 --> 0:51:10.760 Christine put all the different sound effects and the guitar 0:51:10.920 --> 0:51:13.120 ship to make it sound weird because I played him 0:51:13.120 --> 0:51:14.080 different breakbeats. 0:51:14.400 --> 0:51:16.680 Marti gras seven minutes, you know. 0:51:16.680 --> 0:51:20.200 Things of that nature that the DJ classics, classic shit. 0:51:20.719 --> 0:51:25.080 And then we used those tracks and we pressed up 0:51:25.080 --> 0:51:27.640 about one hundred pieces of vinyl and that's what each. 0:51:27.560 --> 0:51:28.400 DJ is cutting. 0:51:28.400 --> 0:51:30.120 So they were playing them in the film. 0:51:30.200 --> 0:51:33.640 Yeah, they literally playing them, and then that becomes our soundtrack. 0:51:33.719 --> 0:51:36.799 We record the Cold Crush, the Fantastic Busy in Them, 0:51:37.239 --> 0:51:43.160 Double Trouble, all rhyming in the movie that becomes our soundtrack. 0:51:43.280 --> 0:51:43.960 Before we get into it. 0:51:44.040 --> 0:51:46.520 But the reason why I went and asked about Zulu 0:51:47.920 --> 0:51:51.520 is because it sounds like when you made While Style, 0:51:52.080 --> 0:51:55.760 you kind of made a decision to bring these elements together. 0:51:56.480 --> 0:51:58.720 Later on everybody would package as hip hop. 0:51:59.719 --> 0:52:03.720 Yeah, well that's fun because not but later on. 0:52:04.080 --> 0:52:08.000 Hip hop, you know, corporate America. The industry comes in soups, in. 0:52:08.040 --> 0:52:12.360 Grabs rappers and kind of divides and conquers the culture 0:52:12.400 --> 0:52:14.719 and divides the elements. Again, very true, and we've been 0:52:14.719 --> 0:52:16.480 all ever since trying to hold it together. 0:52:16.760 --> 0:52:17.280 Very true. 0:52:17.440 --> 0:52:19.960 Wow, you definitely see it clearly. 0:52:20.640 --> 0:52:22.319 Yeah, so at least, you. 0:52:22.200 --> 0:52:25.360 Know, our attempt not that we could predict everything. We 0:52:25.440 --> 0:52:27.200 was just trying to represent it for what it was, 0:52:27.280 --> 0:52:29.560 based on that initial idea I had. I wanted to 0:52:29.560 --> 0:52:32.319 show this was all one thing, and I had this 0:52:32.440 --> 0:52:35.640 idea to make a film. Charlie was like, great, idea, 0:52:35.960 --> 0:52:39.160 let's make this film. We made that film and it 0:52:39.280 --> 0:52:41.799 kind of carved kind of an understanding of what the 0:52:41.840 --> 0:52:46.359 culture actually is. And Wild Style does that, and yeah, 0:52:46.360 --> 0:52:49.360 it was an incredible blessing, and then the way it 0:52:49.480 --> 0:52:51.520 spread around the world was something I could not have 0:52:51.560 --> 0:52:55.279 predicted that people of other languages would be. Yeah, man, 0:52:55.320 --> 0:52:57.040 that's that blew my mind. 0:52:56.840 --> 0:52:58.560 Because some of the first tours to Europe. 0:52:58.800 --> 0:53:01.040 We did the first tour of Europe, which was France, 0:53:01.120 --> 0:53:04.520 primarily about twenty or thirty of us, Yes, you know, 0:53:05.000 --> 0:53:07.879 we did that, and that they went crazy. That's still 0:53:07.880 --> 0:53:09.879 the second biggest market for hip hop in the world. 0:53:10.480 --> 0:53:14.959 And then we went to Japan the following year eighty three, 0:53:15.160 --> 0:53:18.359 about twenty about thirty of us Rock Steady Crew, Rap 0:53:18.440 --> 0:53:21.439 is Dgit whole shit. This is eighty eight, eighty three, 0:53:21.520 --> 0:53:23.360 eighty three, eighty three, when we go to we go 0:53:23.400 --> 0:53:26.880 to Europe in eighty two, we go to we go. 0:53:26.840 --> 0:53:28.879 To Japan in eighty three. 0:53:29.120 --> 0:53:30.319 Crazy told us about that. 0:53:30.440 --> 0:53:33.000 Yeah, crazy, that was an incredible trip and that plants 0:53:33.040 --> 0:53:35.640 to diseased. But we had no idea it was going 0:53:35.719 --> 0:53:39.799 to take like it did. It's still remarkable to this day. Yeah, 0:53:40.120 --> 0:53:43.040 I mean is global and global in every kind of 0:53:43.080 --> 0:53:44.520 way you can imagine. 0:53:44.120 --> 0:53:47.120 So, and sometimes represented even better in other countries. 0:53:47.200 --> 0:53:48.640 That's so true, you know. 0:53:48.719 --> 0:53:50.680 But you know what I find that I like is 0:53:50.719 --> 0:53:53.200 when you go to places where people it's like a 0:53:53.320 --> 0:53:56.280 level of poverty that, especially in New York. 0:53:56.080 --> 0:53:58.480 You don't see anymore. Like, you know, that's what it is. 0:53:58.520 --> 0:54:01.759 And these people, when you see the way it's applied 0:54:01.840 --> 0:54:05.719 and the way they adopted, it's like it reminds me 0:54:05.800 --> 0:54:08.480 of where it came from and how the Bronx was 0:54:08.560 --> 0:54:13.160 really bombed out. It was the most horrific ghetto on 0:54:13.200 --> 0:54:16.160 the planet because it was a poster child and from 0:54:16.280 --> 0:54:19.240 that Bronx, the way the Bronx in the seventies. 0:54:19.280 --> 0:54:24.360 When I'm researching you, that's when I found out that 0:54:24.360 --> 0:54:29.240 that it was actually landlords that was burning down their property. Yeah, apartment. 0:54:29.640 --> 0:54:30.239 I didn't know that. 0:54:30.239 --> 0:54:33.640 That's a big part that happened. It was a combination 0:54:33.760 --> 0:54:35.600 of things with people. 0:54:35.440 --> 0:54:38.480 The burnt down Bronx, But I didn't know that it 0:54:38.520 --> 0:54:39.680 was self inflicted. 0:54:40.680 --> 0:54:42.320 Listen, I you know what I'm saying, Like, I didn't. 0:54:42.120 --> 0:54:43.560 Know that a lot of it was a lot of 0:54:43.600 --> 0:54:47.600 it was because it was was they can get more 0:54:48.200 --> 0:54:50.760 and get out with the insurance money. 0:54:50.920 --> 0:54:51.800 I did not know that. 0:54:51.920 --> 0:54:54.560 So it's huge in the Bronx and it was rampant. 0:54:54.560 --> 0:54:56.040 They had people that was just like that's why it 0:54:56.160 --> 0:54:58.560 used the whole blocks in the South Bronx, but maybe 0:54:58.600 --> 0:55:01.000 one or two buildings left. It was just rubble. It 0:55:01.040 --> 0:55:03.680 was unbelievable. Looked like literally like bombs have been dropped. 0:55:03.760 --> 0:55:06.680 There's a famous I've seen I talk about in my 0:55:06.800 --> 0:55:10.399 book in the seventy seven Yeah, in the seventy seven 0:55:10.440 --> 0:55:14.360 World Series when the Yankees is playing seventy seven seventy 0:55:14.360 --> 0:55:17.000 seven Reggie Jackson, that hard show. I remember watching them 0:55:17.000 --> 0:55:19.320 born that. Yeah, you could see two or three fires 0:55:19.360 --> 0:55:23.120 glowing not far say wow, you go on YouTube and 0:55:23.160 --> 0:55:26.960 watch that. Wow, that's how the Bronx was burning for 0:55:27.080 --> 0:55:29.759 real and the gangs come out of that because it 0:55:29.840 --> 0:55:30.239 was like. 0:55:30.160 --> 0:55:30.960 Come on, it was nothing. 0:55:31.000 --> 0:55:33.040 It was like always worried in the Bronx and that 0:55:33.120 --> 0:55:37.439 was always like Arlen lu like you know a joke 0:55:37.520 --> 0:55:40.160 like burned down Bronx. But we didn't know that. 0:55:40.480 --> 0:55:44.400 Yeah, participate from the South Bronx. Yes, yes, that was 0:55:44.440 --> 0:55:46.279 really devastated for. 0:55:46.320 --> 0:55:48.200 Us from Queens. We just the Bronx was the Bronx 0:55:48.920 --> 0:55:49.560 talk for Brooklyn. 0:55:49.560 --> 0:55:51.880 I didn't really know over that later like years later. 0:55:52.000 --> 0:55:52.720 You know what I mean? 0:55:52.880 --> 0:55:54.640 And this is where hip hop is born out of them, 0:55:54.680 --> 0:55:57.000 Like did you watch the Rubble Kings documentary. 0:55:57.200 --> 0:55:58.320 I was so amazing. 0:55:59.320 --> 0:56:01.760 Yeah, largely, what do you why did you say largely 0:56:01.800 --> 0:56:05.879 and not totally in terms of hip hop out those 0:56:06.120 --> 0:56:06.680 Yeah yeah. 0:56:06.560 --> 0:56:09.640 Yeah, oh because the origins of hip hop or what 0:56:09.840 --> 0:56:10.799 leads to hip hop. 0:56:10.880 --> 0:56:11.880 This is a lot of people. 0:56:11.960 --> 0:56:14.360 Yeah, no question is look and people are entitled to 0:56:14.400 --> 0:56:15.040 their opinion. 0:56:15.520 --> 0:56:16.800 But this is what happened. 0:56:17.000 --> 0:56:20.480 Tell us this is what happens. Yes, there were. 0:56:20.360 --> 0:56:23.000 DJs, and it's wait before I go, I'm gonna get 0:56:23.200 --> 0:56:24.319 I'm gonna run this down. 0:56:24.360 --> 0:56:26.759 It's incredibly want to shot? You want to shot? You 0:56:26.840 --> 0:56:30.879 want to shot? Let's wait for big time, okay, because 0:56:30.880 --> 0:56:34.040 I feel like you're getting you know, no, listen. 0:56:33.800 --> 0:56:35.960 I've been waiting, you know. I wanted to get on 0:56:36.080 --> 0:56:37.040 here and sham. 0:56:36.880 --> 0:56:39.640 I'm sitting down like although I'm not to listen. I 0:56:39.680 --> 0:56:43.120 am in school right now. There stop. You know. You 0:56:43.160 --> 0:56:45.600 know what I can tell you what you know this is. 0:56:45.760 --> 0:56:47.480 This is a good one that I'm passionate about it. 0:56:47.560 --> 0:56:49.200 Okay, because obviously. 0:56:48.960 --> 0:56:52.720 There's dollar different stories there is about the Jamaica connection 0:56:52.880 --> 0:56:53.799 and whatever and. 0:56:53.719 --> 0:56:54.399 The dance hall. 0:56:54.440 --> 0:56:56.920 I'm deep into that since the seventies as well. 0:56:57.000 --> 0:56:57.880 Growing up in Brooklyn. 0:56:57.920 --> 0:57:00.279 You know I'm going to you know, hearing all them 0:57:00.320 --> 0:57:05.279 early dancehall records. But there were DJs that, damn there, 0:57:05.360 --> 0:57:08.920 go back to the late sixties that were mobile DJs. 0:57:08.960 --> 0:57:12.439 They wasn't cutting or scratching that they was mixing one 0:57:12.480 --> 0:57:13.160 record to the other. 0:57:13.280 --> 0:57:15.400 That was the big innovation. 0:57:16.120 --> 0:57:20.560 Everybody else had a record player going back seventies, going in, 0:57:20.680 --> 0:57:23.360 going for the back. You put four or five forty 0:57:23.400 --> 0:57:25.840 fives and the arm would swing, drop a record. 0:57:25.880 --> 0:57:27.360 It would play, and. 0:57:27.240 --> 0:57:29.120 That's how people listen to music. 0:57:29.440 --> 0:57:30.520 You understand what I'm saying. 0:57:30.680 --> 0:57:33.880 They lost the DJs, what they were considered DJs. 0:57:33.960 --> 0:57:36.439 No, you was just playing records, were just playing records. Now, 0:57:36.640 --> 0:57:39.640 the idea of the DJ what is that short for 0:57:40.440 --> 0:57:41.080 dis jockey? 0:57:41.320 --> 0:57:42.880 Thank you? Who was the. 0:57:42.920 --> 0:57:47.000 Disc jockey in those any time? Thank you? This is 0:57:47.040 --> 0:57:52.520 the real inspiration for what the dance hall DJs that 0:57:52.720 --> 0:57:56.640 sound system scene did in Jamaica and what these early 0:57:56.720 --> 0:58:00.440 DJs were doing here. They were emulating the black radio 0:58:00.560 --> 0:58:03.720 DJs like and because they was the ones talking kind 0:58:03.760 --> 0:58:06.200 of slick doing the talking over you had a little 0:58:06.280 --> 0:58:09.520 job talk slip slang. It was Jocko who was out 0:58:09.520 --> 0:58:11.680 of Philly in New York had a little slick shit 0:58:12.080 --> 0:58:14.880 kind of rhyming. When you look at the history going 0:58:14.960 --> 0:58:20.360 down to the scene in Memphis, Stacks Records, Pee Wee Markham, 0:58:20.440 --> 0:58:23.480 he was on the radio. Sly Stone, he was on 0:58:23.520 --> 0:58:26.360 the radio. That's how he built his name in San Francisco. 0:58:26.800 --> 0:58:30.560 So the big inspiration on the idea of a DJ 0:58:30.800 --> 0:58:32.880 is the disc jockey on the radio. They were the 0:58:32.920 --> 0:58:36.080 ones who played the music, had the flavor, talk that 0:58:36.200 --> 0:58:39.240 slick shit soundfly and play the records you wanted to hear. 0:58:39.640 --> 0:58:44.520 That's really who the DJs were inspired by because it's like, oh, 0:58:44.560 --> 0:58:46.800 this is like the radio he's playing, and you know, 0:58:46.880 --> 0:58:49.560 the beginning of people getting on the mic with like 0:58:49.920 --> 0:58:51.960 emulating what the radio. 0:58:52.320 --> 0:58:54.240 Records by talking over them and well just. 0:58:54.200 --> 0:58:56.760 Really bigging up who the DJ was and shouting him 0:58:56.800 --> 0:58:59.880 out and promoting him. That was what the original foundation 0:59:00.280 --> 0:59:01.360 was because even. 0:59:01.200 --> 0:59:04.080 In hip hop, the DJ was the man, way before. 0:59:03.960 --> 0:59:06.800 Thank you DJ was the man. He had the system, 0:59:07.120 --> 0:59:08.120 he bought the music. 0:59:08.280 --> 0:59:10.360 Colweys DJs didn't want to be better. 0:59:10.560 --> 0:59:13.240 Believe it, Okay, that was one hundred percent and that 0:59:13.360 --> 0:59:17.320 was a huge scene that developed like like through the seventies, 0:59:17.320 --> 0:59:20.959 like Herkle tell you Pete DJ Jones, the original grand 0:59:21.000 --> 0:59:23.960 Master of Flowers. My boy, it was a list of 0:59:24.000 --> 0:59:27.360 these cats. Queen's had, people like the Disco Twins, you know, 0:59:28.360 --> 0:59:34.240 the Infinity Machine, my boy Hassan and Ron Lawrence, Ron 0:59:34.320 --> 0:59:36.280 amen Ra who was one of the you know the 0:59:36.360 --> 0:59:38.640 hit Man Man Man. He's doing all them cool like 0:59:39.200 --> 0:59:42.760 AI clips now with people talking about hip hop, and 0:59:42.800 --> 0:59:43.400 he takes. 0:59:43.160 --> 0:59:44.720 The photos and make a move a little bit. 0:59:45.360 --> 0:59:47.680 They made a documentary a little over ten years ago 0:59:47.840 --> 0:59:52.000 called Founding Fathers that details, Yeah, it was only on 0:59:52.200 --> 0:59:54.080 it was on YouTube for a bunch of time. It's 0:59:54.120 --> 0:59:57.920 about to be on to b and the Founding Fathers 0:59:57.960 --> 1:00:01.520 really interviews and talks about this era of the game 1:00:02.200 --> 1:00:03.240 and these DJs. 1:00:03.240 --> 1:00:06.080 When we say found fallers, I just want to reiterate 1:00:06.080 --> 1:00:07.960 that we're talking about the founding fallows of hip hop. 1:00:08.000 --> 1:00:11.000 Correct, Well, that's what it implies, but it's really like 1:00:11.360 --> 1:00:13.880 it doesn't say that in the title, but percent right. 1:00:14.360 --> 1:00:17.200 But in terms of what led to that boom, what 1:00:17.320 --> 1:00:21.320 Herk did, once again is genius because he took that 1:00:21.400 --> 1:00:24.760 structure of the DJs that was mad popular all over 1:00:24.800 --> 1:00:27.240 the city, and then he brought something new to the table. 1:00:27.600 --> 1:00:32.600 With the breaks, through playing the breaks, picking up doing 1:00:32.640 --> 1:00:35.840 that like needle drop type of technique and flashing them 1:00:35.880 --> 1:00:38.400 will tell you they they got what he was trying 1:00:38.440 --> 1:00:41.280 to do. It was incredible, but they couldn't catch the 1:00:41.320 --> 1:00:43.480 beat all the time. And Flash went and did the 1:00:43.560 --> 1:00:45.920 research to figure out what turntake. 1:00:46.040 --> 1:00:50.840 But it was a researcher, but he did. He did 1:00:50.880 --> 1:00:51.480 research for. 1:00:51.520 --> 1:00:54.560 Every turntable until he found out that the Technique twelve 1:00:54.640 --> 1:00:56.640 hundred was the one that had. 1:00:56.480 --> 1:00:58.120 The direct drive. 1:00:58.560 --> 1:01:01.520 And then he Yeah, there was a drag before you 1:01:01.600 --> 1:01:02.160 got to. 1:01:02.840 --> 1:01:06.400 So we had Flash on here. Flash was amazing on. 1:01:06.400 --> 1:01:10.600 Here, Yeah, Grandmaster, Yeah, crazy legs on here. 1:01:10.680 --> 1:01:16.240 Yes, I seen that. And I feel like. 1:01:17.880 --> 1:01:21.600 All of them do say they credit her, Yeah, they 1:01:21.680 --> 1:01:24.160 credit him for what becomes hip hop, but just that 1:01:24.240 --> 1:01:26.400 a lot of them may not know. Flash will tell 1:01:26.440 --> 1:01:29.959 you about Pete DJ Jones and the DJs that made 1:01:30.000 --> 1:01:31.120 you want to be a DJ. 1:01:31.880 --> 1:01:32.600 It was a thing. 1:01:32.840 --> 1:01:36.680 I think was it herk on here or maybe Flash 1:01:36.760 --> 1:01:37.320 told the story? 1:01:38.480 --> 1:01:38.880 Had not her? 1:01:39.000 --> 1:01:42.640 I meant to say, kaz Or Flash told the story 1:01:42.680 --> 1:01:45.600 about if I'm not mistaken. When he went to battle. 1:01:45.960 --> 1:01:48.520 As soon as Pete DJ Jones turned his system on, 1:01:48.920 --> 1:01:50.560 he was like, yo, it's trying to pack up and 1:01:50.600 --> 1:01:53.560 go because these dudes not just was nice with the records, 1:01:53.600 --> 1:01:55.200 but they knew how to put the systems together. 1:01:55.800 --> 1:01:57.000 It took some it took. 1:01:56.880 --> 1:02:00.200 Bread, and you had to have some real tech gets 1:02:00.240 --> 1:02:02.520 the same thing in these eras, like you had to 1:02:02.560 --> 1:02:04.880 be able to have access to the equipment or a 1:02:04.920 --> 1:02:05.920 studio or whatever. 1:02:06.000 --> 1:02:08.440 As you noticed, the story goes the black Out of 1:02:08.480 --> 1:02:12.439 seventy seven when cats got their looting on a lot 1:02:12.440 --> 1:02:15.520 of Bronx. Cats got access to equipment because let's be real, 1:02:15.600 --> 1:02:17.680 the Bronx was the poorest borough in the city at 1:02:17.680 --> 1:02:18.000 that time. 1:02:18.040 --> 1:02:18.840 It took some money. 1:02:18.920 --> 1:02:20.840 A lot of times you hear stories about casts that 1:02:20.880 --> 1:02:23.920 have big sound systems and queens or whatever. Their parents 1:02:24.280 --> 1:02:27.360 spent two, three, four or five K. That's a lot 1:02:27.360 --> 1:02:28.160 of money there. 1:02:32.680 --> 1:02:33.560 That's incredible. 1:02:33.640 --> 1:02:36.160 When casts told the story, a lot of casts went 1:02:36.200 --> 1:02:39.400 to where the where the entertainment electronics stores was and 1:02:39.480 --> 1:02:42.880 got busy, got mixes, got real. 1:02:42.680 --> 1:02:44.480 Stuff for the first time, you know. 1:02:44.680 --> 1:02:46.440 And so that I was born in seventy seven, I 1:02:46.440 --> 1:02:50.320 helped that ship. It was me. It's my magic. 1:02:52.160 --> 1:02:54.240 So those are some of the incredible stories about how 1:02:54.280 --> 1:02:57.640 it really got built, but definitely what herk did was 1:02:57.640 --> 1:02:59.320 taken in another direction. 1:03:00.040 --> 1:03:01.440 Also, the other thing that's. 1:03:01.240 --> 1:03:05.680 Interesting about those DJs that I mentioned, the Flowers and 1:03:05.720 --> 1:03:08.800 the pet DJ Jones, there were there were clubs that 1:03:08.920 --> 1:03:12.840 came up in Manhattan where promoters would rent out like 1:03:12.880 --> 1:03:16.040 a restaurant and they would take the chairs out and 1:03:16.080 --> 1:03:19.200 they would promote that as a party for people coming 1:03:19.200 --> 1:03:21.800 from the burrows, not in the grill. No, this is 1:03:21.800 --> 1:03:25.040 way before the brill. This is like Nell Gwinns. I 1:03:25.040 --> 1:03:26.960 didn't go to these places. I'm still shorty, but I'm 1:03:27.000 --> 1:03:30.200 well aware of way before all of that. 1:03:30.720 --> 1:03:35.280 It's place before club it was. These were legit clubs too. 1:03:35.320 --> 1:03:37.600 But this is what once again turned the heat up 1:03:37.760 --> 1:03:38.680 on this whole. 1:03:38.480 --> 1:03:39.200 Idea of DJ. 1:03:39.480 --> 1:03:42.400 Your mobile DJs go from playing in the streets to 1:03:42.520 --> 1:03:46.400 getting high bodies promoters. Their names are getting bigger and 1:03:46.440 --> 1:03:49.440 bigger and bigger. They're the ones that's really developing this 1:03:49.480 --> 1:03:50.360 whole disco thing. 1:03:50.640 --> 1:03:52.960 Frankie Crocker, this is pre disco. You're saying, this is what? 1:03:54.280 --> 1:03:57.080 Then this is what Mexico and Frankie Krocker doesn't get 1:03:57.160 --> 1:04:00.000 enough credit. I go into him deep in my memoir 1:04:00.200 --> 1:04:03.960 because when he took over BLS FM. Most black people 1:04:04.000 --> 1:04:05.479 or most people listen to their. 1:04:05.440 --> 1:04:06.680 Music on AM. 1:04:07.360 --> 1:04:12.120 When Frankie Kraker takes control of BLS, it's stereo for 1:04:12.160 --> 1:04:16.000 the first time. In fact, when it was a big thing, 1:04:16.400 --> 1:04:18.400 when you would hear it at the speak like they 1:04:18.400 --> 1:04:21.520 would do the station ID, they would go w B 1:04:22.280 --> 1:04:24.440 L S. It would go from left speaker back to right. 1:04:24.480 --> 1:04:27.280 People would be like, oh my god, that's next level. 1:04:27.640 --> 1:04:29.720 And that made people want to go and get stereo 1:04:29.800 --> 1:04:32.920 systems because most people it wasn't about stereo. And so 1:04:33.040 --> 1:04:38.240 Frankie Kraker became the dominant DJ. His style was more smooth. 1:04:38.360 --> 1:04:41.120 He had like a suave kind of vibe. He drove 1:04:41.160 --> 1:04:45.760 a Rose Royce, you know. He was like on some player, suave, sophisticated. 1:04:46.080 --> 1:04:49.200 But he followed the DJs, these mobile DJs that I'm 1:04:49.240 --> 1:04:52.160 talking about, and he'd be at these parties. If he 1:04:52.240 --> 1:04:55.080 saw the DJ broke some record and the crowd went crazy, 1:04:55.080 --> 1:04:58.280 Frankie would put that record on BLS and he broke 1:04:58.320 --> 1:05:00.760 a lot of the acts that became the big disco. 1:05:01.000 --> 1:05:03.760 He was super duper dumb. He doesn't get enough props, 1:05:04.000 --> 1:05:06.920 but how influential he was because I'm listening. Then I'm 1:05:06.960 --> 1:05:11.160 hearing him promote the parties of these DJs. Next thing, 1:05:11.200 --> 1:05:15.280 you know, the records that he's breaking become hit records. 1:05:15.480 --> 1:05:17.320 You know what I'm saying, The records that are the 1:05:17.360 --> 1:05:21.520 foundations of disco. Frankie broke most of those records. He 1:05:21.520 --> 1:05:23.040 would interview the artists. 1:05:22.760 --> 1:05:23.240 On the radio. 1:05:23.560 --> 1:05:26.680 He was Frankie Hollywood cracker. That was his whole thing. 1:05:26.840 --> 1:05:30.920 He was real smooth, real fly, influential and so with 1:05:31.040 --> 1:05:33.960 his energy and everything, I'm telling you, that takes it 1:05:34.120 --> 1:05:37.919 over the top. Then it Then we get Studio fifty four. 1:05:38.320 --> 1:05:40.880 Then we got high end clubs. Because now it's a thing. 1:05:43.440 --> 1:05:45.240 I didn't go to study, but that was some ship 1:05:45.280 --> 1:05:49.000 where they invented. I'm still a short time, I ain't 1:05:49.000 --> 1:05:51.560 really deep in the mixed yet, but they would pick you. 1:05:51.640 --> 1:05:54.120 That's where that whole velvet rope things start, and they 1:05:54.160 --> 1:05:56.400 would diss a lot of people. I went up there 1:05:56.440 --> 1:05:58.080 once to just to watch it going because it was 1:05:58.120 --> 1:05:58.640 a scene. 1:05:58.800 --> 1:06:02.200 People would be crying in man, listen. 1:06:01.920 --> 1:06:04.520 It was the biggest thing in the media. To get 1:06:04.600 --> 1:06:06.800 up in there to get picked. That's where the whole 1:06:06.880 --> 1:06:11.280 rope thing started. James, when my ship got popping, and 1:06:11.520 --> 1:06:14.560 the mud Club did the reverse instead of the velvet rope. 1:06:14.600 --> 1:06:17.439 The mud Club had a little chain outside and when 1:06:17.480 --> 1:06:19.080 me and Sean Michelle rolled up. 1:06:19.080 --> 1:06:22.000 If you're like, oh, Freddy Jean, come right on in. 1:06:22.480 --> 1:06:24.800 You know, we had five or six cats with us. 1:06:25.080 --> 1:06:27.880 So that was our scene, which was a change from 1:06:27.880 --> 1:06:33.240 the whole Bougie's Studio fifty four, but that was super four. 1:06:33.240 --> 1:06:35.959 It was you. But it was like it was like yo, man, 1:06:36.360 --> 1:06:41.080 you know fab and they downtown, they got they got 1:06:41.080 --> 1:06:43.280 the white girls they were. 1:06:44.280 --> 1:06:45.240 That's all that was then. 1:06:48.240 --> 1:06:54.720 You know, opportunity equal opportunity, and you know we would 1:06:54.720 --> 1:06:58.000 have you know, we wasn't trying to discriminate. 1:07:00.160 --> 1:07:02.880 Girl. Then the other white girl, my friend Sundy d 1:07:03.040 --> 1:07:08.760 over there right. I thought he's a white people whisperer, 1:07:09.160 --> 1:07:12.920 was like at first, at first I thought it was embarrassing, 1:07:15.120 --> 1:07:16.600 and then I thought about it. I was like, yo, 1:07:16.960 --> 1:07:20.120 these white people like soon as he talks, they let 1:07:20.120 --> 1:07:27.720 their guard down around him, like he's he is a 1:07:27.840 --> 1:07:33.480 white person whisperer, I don't think relate to other Haitians related. 1:07:37.440 --> 1:07:40.320 That's crazy. Do you think do you do you think 1:07:40.360 --> 1:07:41.520 you're white people whisper? 1:07:42.760 --> 1:07:47.520 Well, well, you know at that time, that's mostly who 1:07:47.640 --> 1:07:48.920 was on the downtown scene. 1:07:49.600 --> 1:07:53.280 And you know, it was a crowd that was very open. 1:07:53.360 --> 1:07:57.160 That's the thing. Everybody in New York. You know, New 1:07:57.240 --> 1:07:59.480 York was really polarized back in the day. It's like 1:07:59.520 --> 1:08:02.960 if you you know, casting different neighborhoods, they didn't really 1:08:03.000 --> 1:08:05.520 intersect segregated in that way. Yeah, it was more or less. 1:08:05.520 --> 1:08:08.560 It's very segregated. You know, you could roll through different neighborhoods. 1:08:08.960 --> 1:08:11.560 It was a fight like you know, even when people 1:08:11.760 --> 1:08:14.760 like me and when we were sure he's going through Brownsville. 1:08:14.240 --> 1:08:16.479 Cast was check you, what's up. You have to get 1:08:16.479 --> 1:08:17.760 busy on some knuckle ship. 1:08:18.040 --> 1:08:18.719 You know what I'm saying. 1:08:19.400 --> 1:08:22.200 Yiggas don't know about the fifty two blocks for real, 1:08:22.360 --> 1:08:23.880 you know what I'm saying. You had to know how 1:08:23.880 --> 1:08:26.320 to handle your ship. And that's New York, you know. 1:08:26.920 --> 1:08:29.479 And so certain neighborhoods where you had tough you know, 1:08:29.560 --> 1:08:32.320 cast would get busy. And so that was the That 1:08:32.400 --> 1:08:35.120 was a dynamic on the downtown scene. It was very open. 1:08:35.600 --> 1:08:37.880 People was on some artist ship. It was different. It 1:08:37.960 --> 1:08:40.960 was so we even though me, Jean, a few other 1:08:41.000 --> 1:08:44.320 brothers were among the few people of color. The crowd, 1:08:44.479 --> 1:08:46.920 every all of them was like looked at us outcasts 1:08:46.920 --> 1:08:49.760 as well. You know, punk block, niggad shade heads. 1:08:49.840 --> 1:08:51.280 With CBGB popping out us. 1:08:51.320 --> 1:08:53.439 CBGB's was popping them up in there. You know what 1:08:53.439 --> 1:08:55.479 I'm saying, I'm making moves through all of them spot. 1:08:55.280 --> 1:08:57.519 And that's one of the first venues that was then. 1:08:57.960 --> 1:09:01.760 Yeah, but hip hop was was the first part to 1:09:01.840 --> 1:09:02.479 performing there. 1:09:02.560 --> 1:09:03.719 Okay that I missed. 1:09:04.520 --> 1:09:06.719 It wasn't like BC's and then like all the well the. 1:09:06.600 --> 1:09:08.920 Beasts, Yeah, they wasn't doing anything. I was around the 1:09:08.960 --> 1:09:10.880 b c's when they came up, Bacie Boys. You know 1:09:10.920 --> 1:09:13.360 what I'm saying. They was definitely had that punk rock energy. 1:09:13.400 --> 1:09:15.760 They were pu Originally they were a punk rock group. 1:09:15.760 --> 1:09:17.720 I thinks, well, they had a punk rock thing. 1:09:17.800 --> 1:09:18.559 They had a punk. 1:09:18.439 --> 1:09:20.720 Rock attitude, but they was mixing hip hop with it. 1:09:21.000 --> 1:09:23.439 The first record that I loved blew Up was was 1:09:23.479 --> 1:09:26.559 called Cookie Puss, which she probably never came out where 1:09:26.560 --> 1:09:31.360 they recorded this this TV commercial of for Carvel ice 1:09:31.400 --> 1:09:35.639 cream and they just sampled these ship. It made a wild, crazy, 1:09:35.920 --> 1:09:37.720 goofy record. It was a lot of fun, but it 1:09:37.840 --> 1:09:41.280 had a punk sensibility. But they was rapping, and that's 1:09:41.320 --> 1:09:44.320 a part of Russell's genius, seeing these white guys and 1:09:44.400 --> 1:09:45.479 thought this could work. 1:09:45.880 --> 1:09:46.160 You know. 1:09:46.479 --> 1:09:48.920 Rick Ruben stepped in to work with them, and that 1:09:48.960 --> 1:09:51.080 shit blew up way beyond. But we was all hanging 1:09:51.080 --> 1:09:54.120 in that same downtown scene at that time because some 1:09:54.160 --> 1:09:57.519 of the clubs that we frequented as different rap records 1:09:57.520 --> 1:10:01.080 are beginning to come out sugar Hill other doing things 1:10:01.120 --> 1:10:04.960 you know, hoo DEENI and whatever. The downtown clubs was 1:10:05.000 --> 1:10:07.519 spinning them, you know what I mean. They was beginning 1:10:07.560 --> 1:10:10.000 to get into that because the things we were doing, 1:10:10.120 --> 1:10:14.280 like like I curated an exhibit at the Mud Club, 1:10:14.479 --> 1:10:16.400 the same club I'm talking and. 1:10:17.960 --> 1:10:20.639 We did a show. Keith Herring had put me on. 1:10:22.080 --> 1:10:23.600 He said, Yo, the owner of the club wants you 1:10:23.680 --> 1:10:24.799 to curate a show which. 1:10:24.600 --> 1:10:26.600 Is a flex. Keith Herring is a flex right now. 1:10:26.840 --> 1:10:28.840 Yeah, that's my dad. He was a part of the 1:10:28.880 --> 1:10:31.040 whole team at that time. And he said, the owner, 1:10:31.479 --> 1:10:33.920 Keith is just starting to come up and we were 1:10:33.960 --> 1:10:36.840 super tight, and he asked me to curate a show 1:10:36.880 --> 1:10:40.600 which I did called Beyond Words, and I included a 1:10:40.600 --> 1:10:43.759 lot of these other graffiti artists I'm talking about Jean Michelle, Futurea, 1:10:43.880 --> 1:10:46.639 Crash Days, a few other people to show that. 1:10:47.080 --> 1:10:48.360 We moving into this scene. 1:10:48.360 --> 1:10:50.720 And the dude knew I was connected to this rap 1:10:50.760 --> 1:10:51.960 thing which is starting to bubble. 1:10:52.200 --> 1:10:53.760 He said, Yo, can you put something? Get some of 1:10:53.800 --> 1:10:54.320 them groups? 1:10:54.320 --> 1:10:57.519 So I got like Bam and Cold Crushing Busy. All 1:10:57.520 --> 1:11:00.280 of them came down to perform at the opening and 1:11:00.320 --> 1:11:04.120 that was a lot of people's first experience with hip 1:11:04.120 --> 1:11:07.600 hop culture on that downtown scene show was in. 1:11:07.800 --> 1:11:09.400 They was just yo, this is dope. 1:11:09.520 --> 1:11:13.120 They felt it beyond expectation, and then more and more 1:11:13.120 --> 1:11:15.719 people began to mess with it, and so that became 1:11:16.439 --> 1:11:18.439 a place where we began to do our things, so 1:11:18.520 --> 1:11:21.080 to speak, and people were open to this new thing 1:11:21.240 --> 1:11:24.439 coming on. There's a venue for the bill called hip hop. 1:11:24.960 --> 1:11:28.360 Yeah no, not totally yet. 1:11:28.680 --> 1:11:30.680 When do you hear it called hip hop? Like what 1:11:30.840 --> 1:11:31.280 is okay? 1:11:31.360 --> 1:11:37.439 So what happens is oh boy? And I elaborate thoroughly 1:11:37.720 --> 1:11:41.840 in my memory. There was no name for it officially, 1:11:42.840 --> 1:11:46.879 and looking at new wave and punk rock, those scenes 1:11:46.880 --> 1:11:49.519 were named and you could notice styles that are different. 1:11:49.560 --> 1:11:50.240 Groups like the. 1:11:50.200 --> 1:11:53.800 Sex Pistols, Clash and groups like that. The Dead Boys 1:11:53.800 --> 1:11:56.400 were punk rock, but then new waves like were like 1:11:57.160 --> 1:11:59.120 Blondie Talking Heads. 1:11:58.800 --> 1:11:59.479 Be fifty two. 1:12:00.240 --> 1:12:03.960 But these scenes were clearly defined, and they were being 1:12:03.960 --> 1:12:10.320 written about and further defined and explained and working on 1:12:10.400 --> 1:12:13.040 wild Style. As we were coming towards the end and 1:12:13.080 --> 1:12:15.320 going into post production, and I'm like, Charlie, what are 1:12:15.320 --> 1:12:18.400 we gonna call it? We had did an event. There 1:12:18.400 --> 1:12:20.200 were two events that well, it was an event that 1:12:20.280 --> 1:12:23.519 we did, which was because you know, I used to 1:12:23.560 --> 1:12:26.000 spit on the mica a little something something and we 1:12:26.160 --> 1:12:29.280 come together. It was the photos of Henry Schafon and 1:12:29.320 --> 1:12:34.200 Martha Cooper. Those were two the first official graffiti documentarians. 1:12:34.200 --> 1:12:35.519 They would photograph this stuff. 1:12:35.800 --> 1:12:39.320 The rock Steady Crew, a DJ from my block in Brooklyn, 1:12:39.400 --> 1:12:42.240 DJ Spy I got on the mic, and another cat 1:12:42.280 --> 1:12:43.040 that I brought. 1:12:42.840 --> 1:12:44.360 Into the scene named ramel Z. 1:12:45.160 --> 1:12:48.160 And this event we were gonna we were calling it 1:12:48.320 --> 1:12:53.400 graffiti rock. But Charlie and I were like, well that 1:12:53.560 --> 1:12:54.920 was the term we had used. 1:12:55.080 --> 1:12:56.400 We're like, what are we gonna call it? 1:12:56.680 --> 1:13:02.080 So every other rapper at the time, many rappers would 1:13:03.120 --> 1:13:07.320 in between rapping, they would and I used to consider 1:13:07.360 --> 1:13:10.680 it an opportunity to catch your breath and think of 1:13:10.720 --> 1:13:12.920 your next rhyme. They would go to the hip the 1:13:12.960 --> 1:13:16.320 hop hippie dibby divvy, you know you don't stop. That 1:13:16.400 --> 1:13:19.040 was a part of the like a break in between 1:13:19.040 --> 1:13:21.439 your rhymes, you throw your hands in the air, different 1:13:21.479 --> 1:13:24.360 things that a lot of the Foundation rappers would do. 1:13:24.920 --> 1:13:28.360 I told Charlie, I think we should use this term 1:13:28.479 --> 1:13:32.559 to define the whole scene because we because the scene 1:13:32.560 --> 1:13:35.639 we were trying to showcase in the film was the painting, 1:13:36.560 --> 1:13:41.120 was the music, the DJs and the dancing and every 1:13:41.520 --> 1:13:43.920 a lot of people were saying it, and so we 1:13:44.000 --> 1:13:47.240 helped push that into the mix as a way to 1:13:47.280 --> 1:13:50.679 describe what the movie was about. Because once again, seeing 1:13:50.680 --> 1:13:53.080 how Punk and New Way were written about, we were 1:13:53.120 --> 1:13:58.439 anticipating something similar, being that I had the instinct to 1:13:58.520 --> 1:14:01.760 connect with people were big supporters of us, that were 1:14:01.840 --> 1:14:03.840 the key principal people in that scene. 1:14:04.520 --> 1:14:06.480 And so that's essentially. 1:14:06.080 --> 1:14:09.479 How that began to help push to help nudge that 1:14:09.680 --> 1:14:15.520 into place, because to promote the film the first real descriptions, 1:14:15.520 --> 1:14:19.160 nobody was writing about this as a culture and in 1:14:19.200 --> 1:14:22.600 the promotional wild style, this is the beginning of it 1:14:22.680 --> 1:14:26.200 being seen as this broad picture as you know, together 1:14:26.720 --> 1:14:31.280 together the culture, the elements four or five whatever, people 1:14:31.320 --> 1:14:34.680 were determine and this is what it's called because it 1:14:34.720 --> 1:14:38.640 was so it's more organic. It's not like I named which. No, 1:14:38.840 --> 1:14:41.640 it was a name and a word, a phrase that 1:14:41.720 --> 1:14:44.080 was a part of the culture I like to consider. 1:14:44.280 --> 1:14:47.160 I just helped nudge it into place because we needed 1:14:47.160 --> 1:14:50.840 to tell the story, promote the film and what the 1:14:50.880 --> 1:14:53.680 film was about. And Wild Style was the beginning of that. 1:14:54.240 --> 1:14:58.200 Their initial stories were in The Village Voice and Downtown publications. 1:14:58.400 --> 1:14:59.960 The first time it was used in print. 1:15:00.040 --> 1:15:03.960 And this cat Michael Hoeman, who once again. 1:15:03.760 --> 1:15:06.000 He did a TV show early. 1:15:06.439 --> 1:15:09.320 But the but the but the but the goofy cornball 1:15:09.439 --> 1:15:12.720 suits that he had to deal with didn't allow it 1:15:12.760 --> 1:15:15.800 to go syndicate it and it was called Graffiti Rock. 1:15:16.240 --> 1:15:18.920 You've probably seen clips of it online where you see 1:15:18.960 --> 1:15:22.920 like coom o d and running them perform. It was 1:15:23.080 --> 1:15:25.760 and he's the host on it. He had the Gazel's on, 1:15:25.960 --> 1:15:28.479 you know. He he was somebody that I put on 1:15:28.880 --> 1:15:31.280 and he dived right in. He would manage the New 1:15:31.360 --> 1:15:33.920 York City Breakers, they were like the rivals to the 1:15:34.000 --> 1:15:38.560 rock STEADI crew. In an interview in an article in 1:15:38.600 --> 1:15:42.759 a Downtown paper called East Village, I he does a story. 1:15:42.960 --> 1:15:43.920 I had gotten his end. 1:15:43.960 --> 1:15:44.400 Let him know. 1:15:44.439 --> 1:15:46.080 Listen, we're gonna call it all this. 1:15:46.240 --> 1:15:49.880 We're beginning to promote the movie, this whole special section 1:15:49.960 --> 1:15:53.000 in the East Village. I was like several articles the 1:15:53.040 --> 1:15:55.280 first time this had ever happened about different aspects of 1:15:55.320 --> 1:15:58.680 the culture. Futura and Lee had art that was included 1:15:58.800 --> 1:16:01.519 in that issue. And Michael Holman does an interview with 1:16:01.640 --> 1:16:04.040 Bam Bada and uses that term for the first time 1:16:04.160 --> 1:16:05.240 in print. 1:16:05.560 --> 1:16:07.320 Vam Boda says it because that's what I know. 1:16:08.000 --> 1:16:09.200 Well, Michael is talking. 1:16:09.320 --> 1:16:12.960 Michael brings us truck in fact, to make it legit, 1:16:13.240 --> 1:16:15.360 to make me feel like I was on the right track. 1:16:15.439 --> 1:16:16.320 I called Bam. 1:16:16.520 --> 1:16:19.080 I said, Bam, I'm thinking that to promote the movie. 1:16:19.280 --> 1:16:22.040 We're thinking of using and Bam said, yes, I totally agree. 1:16:22.080 --> 1:16:24.280 So he agreed because we were like, look, we want 1:16:24.320 --> 1:16:27.920 to call it something on No Flyer that you see 1:16:28.080 --> 1:16:31.280 and the flyers and collections everywhere, No Flyer called it. 1:16:31.280 --> 1:16:34.599 It was no name. They were just promote who was rapping, 1:16:34.880 --> 1:16:37.800 who the DJ was? You know, those classic flyers by 1:16:37.840 --> 1:16:40.200 Phase two and Buddy Esquire and so many others. 1:16:40.720 --> 1:16:41.960 So we were like, what are we going to do 1:16:42.000 --> 1:16:43.120 and so that's how we help. 1:16:43.360 --> 1:16:46.320 So we're kind of saying that you can't up with 1:16:46.360 --> 1:16:47.080 the term hip hop. 1:16:47.160 --> 1:16:49.760 Oh no, no, no, I didn't come up with it. 1:16:49.760 --> 1:16:51.640 It was being used rappers. 1:16:51.320 --> 1:16:54.000 Was Cas told us. I forget who he said was 1:16:54.160 --> 1:16:54.920 saying it because. 1:16:55.840 --> 1:16:58.479 Yeah, okay, the first yeah, I tell that story grade. 1:16:58.560 --> 1:17:02.439 And there's another component where Flash says a girl he 1:17:02.560 --> 1:17:06.320 was dating back then her it was her brother going 1:17:06.320 --> 1:17:13.360 into the army. Flash says that she heard, but Flashes 1:17:13.720 --> 1:17:14.760 just as a little to it. 1:17:15.520 --> 1:17:16.000 This girl. 1:17:16.120 --> 1:17:18.120 It was this girl's brother and she. 1:17:18.240 --> 1:17:21.040 Was at the party and she started it first. Then 1:17:21.200 --> 1:17:24.960 Cowboy from the Furious get on and they both are 1:17:25.080 --> 1:17:28.080 just teasing him pop, you know, like the way they 1:17:28.120 --> 1:17:31.200 would do the marching drill sergeant type of thing, and 1:17:31.280 --> 1:17:35.439 Keith Cowboy really got it going first. And then then 1:17:35.680 --> 1:17:38.960 they say that love Bugs started utilizing it, you know, 1:17:39.479 --> 1:17:43.360 love Buck Stars original Stowsky, And then it became a 1:17:43.439 --> 1:17:45.799 thing where that was the thing you would hear often 1:17:46.600 --> 1:17:48.840 in between your rhymes, you know, something you could say 1:17:48.840 --> 1:17:50.360 and then you think of what you're gonna what you're 1:17:50.360 --> 1:17:53.200 gonna spit next. That's how the turn became popular. 1:17:53.280 --> 1:17:55.240 So like already there you just it's what I'm. 1:17:55.080 --> 1:17:58.439 Saying that I just said, let's let's use that because. 1:17:58.240 --> 1:18:01.519 It seems like everybody's like when people would talk about yo, 1:18:01.600 --> 1:18:04.639 I was at this jam, and I remember people would say, 1:18:05.320 --> 1:18:07.720 what kind of music? Because you still had DJs that 1:18:07.880 --> 1:18:11.360 just played music, and they'd be, no, it wasn't just 1:18:11.439 --> 1:18:12.200 like music. 1:18:12.479 --> 1:18:14.599 It was one of them hibbitty hop joints. 1:18:14.720 --> 1:18:17.799 And you would know okay because they would be Typically 1:18:17.840 --> 1:18:20.360 you would hear it at any party where people was 1:18:20.479 --> 1:18:23.360 people was rapping it. Often you would somebody would do 1:18:23.439 --> 1:18:27.200 that oftentimes. So it became like a synonymous way to 1:18:27.240 --> 1:18:30.360 describe the kind of party it was makes sense, which 1:18:30.479 --> 1:18:32.519 was different than people that was just trying to be 1:18:32.560 --> 1:18:36.200 a disco type DJ, which was cool, but everybody wasn't 1:18:36.240 --> 1:18:38.000 with that or had somebody that would get on the 1:18:38.000 --> 1:18:40.000 mic and do that. I wasn't a thing with every DJ, 1:18:40.600 --> 1:18:43.400 but the Bronx Cats they made that a thing and 1:18:43.479 --> 1:18:46.360 it became the thing. 1:18:46.640 --> 1:18:50.280 So Ballpark figured real quick, how many white girls you take? 1:18:50.320 --> 1:18:54.000 You fuck out? Mash Man like like like, I mean, 1:18:54.040 --> 1:18:56.799 I mean, you know downtown, this is downtown. I mean. 1:19:03.479 --> 1:19:05.280 I don't, I don't kiss and tell. 1:19:15.920 --> 1:19:20.000 The culture this you see the culture man, like, well. 1:19:19.840 --> 1:19:22.439 Listen, speaking of I'm sorry but speaking to Sean Michelle. 1:19:22.560 --> 1:19:26.439 Please you may not know he dated Madonna, right correct? 1:19:26.520 --> 1:19:33.160 Yeah for a hot minute, that's that's hard date Jehan 1:19:33.400 --> 1:19:34.320 Haitian Puerto Rican? 1:19:34.760 --> 1:19:39.400 What Yes, John Haitian Puerto Rican. He's Hatian Puerto Rican, 1:19:39.479 --> 1:19:41.240 Haitian for his father's Haitian. 1:19:45.840 --> 1:19:47.280 Get out. I didn't know that. 1:19:47.720 --> 1:19:51.680 Yeah, I got so John spoke. He could speak a 1:19:51.680 --> 1:19:54.280 little Spanish. 1:19:54.479 --> 1:20:03.519 Oh he's knocking anything, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. So like Madonna, man, 1:20:03.720 --> 1:20:05.719 I know we've touched on her a little Biteah yeah. 1:20:06.320 --> 1:20:10.479 Madonna is like I don't want to say the person 1:20:10.520 --> 1:20:13.400 that's invited to the cook out. I think she's actually 1:20:13.439 --> 1:20:17.559 bringing ingredients to the cook She's like bringing she's actually 1:20:17.600 --> 1:20:20.519 bringing her own version of three potato. That's a great description. 1:20:20.840 --> 1:20:21.639 That's a great discription. 1:20:21.880 --> 1:20:25.360 She's invited, she's in the kitchen prepare now. 1:20:26.000 --> 1:20:30.080 Like Madonna has several kids, and a couple of her 1:20:30.160 --> 1:20:32.320 kids which she's raised for quite a while. 1:20:32.800 --> 1:20:33.479 They're African. 1:20:33.680 --> 1:20:44.000 Yeah yeah, yeah, me and you. Yeah yeah, I'm trying 1:20:44.000 --> 1:20:47.400 to the same nigga. Okay, Big Daddy came to Madonna. 1:20:47.439 --> 1:20:49.440 He had the Leopards said was crazy. 1:20:50.040 --> 1:20:52.720 That was the sex Book. Yeah, oh my god, that 1:20:52.840 --> 1:20:54.320 was wow. I remember when that came out. 1:20:54.520 --> 1:20:58.800 Flowers Flowers, man, listen our show. It's about giving people 1:20:58.840 --> 1:21:01.840 flowers where they can smell them. Oh man, we've been 1:21:01.840 --> 1:21:05.720 waiting so they can tell them and we want to 1:21:05.720 --> 1:21:14.559 give yours better than the Grammy because it comes from 1:21:14.640 --> 1:21:17.000 this people and we your people, and we want to 1:21:17.080 --> 1:21:18.400 you know, let me just tell you something, man. 1:21:18.439 --> 1:21:19.720 I can't tell you how much I appreciate it. 1:21:19.800 --> 1:21:24.240 No, listen, if something man, just we've been we've been 1:21:24.280 --> 1:21:26.519 waiting to give it. We've been waiting for ten years, 1:21:27.240 --> 1:21:33.720 you know, and congratulations on ten years. But but let 1:21:33.760 --> 1:21:36.400 me just tell you something, man, like you made media 1:21:36.479 --> 1:21:39.599 fly man. You know what I mean a lot of people, 1:21:40.280 --> 1:21:42.559 you know, when you you look at people in the 1:21:42.280 --> 1:21:46.280 in the hood, they wanted to be the artist. They 1:21:46.280 --> 1:21:48.600 wanted to be the basketball player, they wanted to be 1:21:48.800 --> 1:21:53.240 the you know, even hockey player, football player, whatever whatever. Correct. 1:21:53.280 --> 1:21:55.439 They wanted to be an athlete or they want to 1:21:55.439 --> 1:21:57.479 be the artist. When you look at you in your career, 1:21:57.920 --> 1:22:00.880 you interview those people, you highlight those people, you show 1:22:00.960 --> 1:22:03.800 lighted that. You know, this is what you do. But 1:22:03.880 --> 1:22:06.880 this is this is the rewards of it. And you 1:22:06.920 --> 1:22:10.240 were just as cool or cooler and interview and for 1:22:10.400 --> 1:22:14.000 back then, you know, and you look at media now 1:22:14.280 --> 1:22:18.599 and wow, look look, look all of us are walking 1:22:18.600 --> 1:22:21.519 in your footstepsolutely, every last one of us. If you 1:22:21.560 --> 1:22:25.840 look at your favorite artist has now turned into media. Bro. 1:22:26.360 --> 1:22:29.400 And so you were doing that ship twenty five years ago, Bro, 1:22:30.760 --> 1:22:34.800 thirty thirty years thirty plus thirty. Yes, make. 1:22:36.720 --> 1:22:38.640 We're all we're all. 1:22:41.960 --> 1:22:44.640 Following your footsteps. You know what I'm saying and what 1:22:44.720 --> 1:22:49.519 you're doing. An excellent job, you j that's right. Yeah, 1:22:49.640 --> 1:22:54.840 he pronounces your name correct. I'm like I thought, I'm like, 1:22:54.960 --> 1:23:01.120 my bad did you ever think because honestly right, Uh, 1:23:02.200 --> 1:23:04.760 it was Ralph McDaniels. Yes, you better believe it. 1:23:04.880 --> 1:23:07.519 Video music box baby, Yes, I was locked in. 1:23:08.160 --> 1:23:11.000 And this is this is this is my friend, you know. 1:23:11.720 --> 1:23:15.320 And he always tells us, tells us sometimes he said, 1:23:15.520 --> 1:23:18.000 you know, New York, you guys were cocky, right, and 1:23:18.040 --> 1:23:22.559 I kind of don't realize it it's me yeah him. 1:23:22.479 --> 1:23:25.640 Yet Oh, because I'm coming from the perspective of. 1:23:25.320 --> 1:23:29.040 What you're well researched, you know a lot of his 1:23:29.840 --> 1:23:30.599 So let me break it down. 1:23:30.640 --> 1:23:33.160 So what I didn't realize is when we had a 1:23:33.240 --> 1:23:37.800 show like Ralph McDaniels, which is Video Music Box. It 1:23:37.880 --> 1:23:39.280 was on Channel nine or te. 1:23:39.640 --> 1:23:43.880 Was on in New York cable Saturdays. I believe, okay, yes, 1:23:43.920 --> 1:23:47.360 which is what I didn't know. And you you said 1:23:47.400 --> 1:23:49.120 it to me, He said to me, very very mean 1:23:50.800 --> 1:23:53.080 what you did say to me. And you were like, yo, 1:23:53.240 --> 1:23:56.200 you know we saw Video Music Box, but we had. 1:23:56.080 --> 1:24:00.479 To see it on VHS. Wow, you know what, how 1:24:00.600 --> 1:24:06.040 spoil we were as New Yorkers right point, and so 1:24:07.840 --> 1:24:09.720 I'm just talking about it. I'm like, damn, you know 1:24:09.920 --> 1:24:13.560 it only came on in a certain channel, you with 1:24:14.479 --> 1:24:18.000 a certain cable right on a certain cable station. And 1:24:18.040 --> 1:24:21.680 then we had the rest of the world that was VHS, 1:24:21.720 --> 1:24:28.320 which he just acted the sign. So these tapes were circulating, right, 1:24:29.479 --> 1:24:31.679 And I said, New York, We're so spoiled. We don't 1:24:31.680 --> 1:24:34.080 even know how special this is. Because this is on 1:24:34.160 --> 1:24:38.240 our public access. This is where look at me like that. No, no, no, 1:24:39.439 --> 1:24:42.120 the world looking at you, look at the world. But 1:24:42.200 --> 1:24:46.000 this is where Kermy de Frog comes on. This This 1:24:46.080 --> 1:24:49.400 is not the HBO cinemax, but you can see some 1:24:49.439 --> 1:24:52.160 tennis or something. No, this is this is the public. 1:24:52.520 --> 1:24:54.720 So I didn't realize how spoiled he was. And you 1:24:54.760 --> 1:24:57.240 said to me one day, yelled at me, and I 1:24:57.320 --> 1:25:00.200 was like, damn, he's right right. It was very mean 1:25:00.240 --> 1:25:04.920 to me, but you're my friend, all right. But now 1:25:05.080 --> 1:25:11.919 here comes MTV. Yes, MTV is a rock and roll station, MTV. 1:25:12.240 --> 1:25:15.679 I remember, I'm old enough to stay fuck y'all, fuck y'all, 1:25:16.080 --> 1:25:18.080 but I'm old enough to say you had a choice. 1:25:18.080 --> 1:25:20.200 At one point. You can say I want HBO on 1:25:20.240 --> 1:25:24.200 my cable, I want show Time, I want Centemax, and 1:25:24.200 --> 1:25:28.679 then you can say I want MTV. At first, when 1:25:28.840 --> 1:25:33.040 MTV first came on the cable network in New York City, 1:25:33.080 --> 1:25:36.160 I cannot speak for anywhere else, most people said no, 1:25:36.680 --> 1:25:39.120 right because it wasn't playing. It wasn't for us, it 1:25:39.160 --> 1:25:43.040 wasn't it wasn't. Initially we would take off our cable 1:25:45.040 --> 1:25:49.200 to access to public Access channel because that wasn't on. 1:25:49.479 --> 1:25:51.679 That was on local cable. That's the cable that comes 1:25:51.720 --> 1:25:55.200 with your apartment already, correct, So the cable that you 1:25:55.240 --> 1:25:57.479 pay for, you don't get Ralph McDaniel, So you had 1:25:57.479 --> 1:26:03.320 to unplug that. Wow did MTV drops? And then we 1:26:03.360 --> 1:26:09.160 get a show called yo, MTV, motherfucking rap. Yeah. Yeah, 1:26:09.320 --> 1:26:14.360 and this is real, this is real. Thank you because 1:26:14.439 --> 1:26:17.120 this is real, because this is me. I made my 1:26:17.200 --> 1:26:20.800 life do this. And then, like you know, I had 1:26:20.840 --> 1:26:25.200 cousins in Seattle, I had cousins in Florida, and cousins 1:26:26.600 --> 1:26:31.120 in South Carolina, North Carolina, so many places that I 1:26:31.240 --> 1:26:35.240 never could talk hip hop too. Maybe they got it, 1:26:35.280 --> 1:26:36.840 but by the time they got it, it was three 1:26:36.880 --> 1:26:40.160 months later and I was already on to another act 1:26:40.240 --> 1:26:43.200 or another such and such. Your own TV raps was 1:26:43.200 --> 1:26:46.240 the first time I got to speak to people in 1:26:46.320 --> 1:26:52.559 real time, meaning I saw Tupac's new video at the same. 1:26:52.400 --> 1:26:56.519 Time my cousin cousins, So y'all can talk about. 1:26:56.360 --> 1:26:57.960 It, so we can talk about it in real time. 1:26:58.040 --> 1:26:58.240 Wow. 1:26:58.439 --> 1:27:03.640 Wow, that was like the first So this is a 1:27:03.680 --> 1:27:09.479 degression one. Do you know how many lives you fucking jamed? Wow? 1:27:09.800 --> 1:27:11.200 You know it's a humbling. 1:27:12.760 --> 1:27:15.639 Feeling and when you realize it, and I just want 1:27:15.720 --> 1:27:20.000 to say, I mean, look, MTV at the time when 1:27:20.000 --> 1:27:23.519 it hit the incredible stretch, it wasn't a long stretch, 1:27:23.720 --> 1:27:27.040 but it was a pivotal stretch. It was in pivotal 1:27:27.040 --> 1:27:31.200 stretch for incredible artists, Emmerson, your first time seeing artists 1:27:31.200 --> 1:27:36.080 that defined a whole host of spaces. You saw them first, 1:27:36.080 --> 1:27:38.200 and I'm super honored that they stood next to me, 1:27:38.720 --> 1:27:40.519 and I kind of was the first time. 1:27:40.320 --> 1:27:43.360 You saw X, Y and Z and you think they 1:27:43.439 --> 1:27:45.640 reached out to you to hold the show because of 1:27:45.680 --> 1:27:46.200 wild style. 1:27:46.720 --> 1:27:47.479 That was a part of it. 1:27:47.640 --> 1:27:50.519 So there was a cat that I knew initially named 1:27:50.520 --> 1:27:54.080 Peter Dougherty who was on the downtown scene. 1:27:54.360 --> 1:27:55.960 He knew the moves I was making. 1:27:56.280 --> 1:27:58.960 He was at the mud Club show I told you about. 1:27:59.320 --> 1:27:59.880 He was a. 1:28:01.520 --> 1:28:05.400 Underground music, a fictionado, and he got a job to 1:28:05.439 --> 1:28:08.960 be a producer at MTV early on, so he would 1:28:09.000 --> 1:28:11.280 get tickets to a rock concert. I mean he took 1:28:11.320 --> 1:28:15.479 me to see like Judas Priests and he actually got 1:28:15.479 --> 1:28:17.080 me to see the Jackson five and it was on 1:28:17.120 --> 1:28:20.160 to it. So his name was Peter Doerty, and Peter 1:28:20.320 --> 1:28:22.600 knew what was going on. He was close enough to 1:28:22.720 --> 1:28:25.559 know this shit is bubbling. There was a few records 1:28:25.560 --> 1:28:27.840 had come out by this point that have gone goal, 1:28:28.439 --> 1:28:32.439 some run DMC shit and some Houdini and you know things. 1:28:33.479 --> 1:28:35.320 Curtis flow exactly. 1:28:34.880 --> 1:28:37.519 Things beginning the bubble, and he was in their ear 1:28:37.880 --> 1:28:38.800 to do a show. 1:28:39.160 --> 1:28:40.439 He used to mention it to me. 1:28:40.479 --> 1:28:42.639 I used to always be like, get out of here, man, 1:28:42.680 --> 1:28:43.479 Boom boom boom. 1:28:43.720 --> 1:28:45.839 Then he linked up with another kid at MTV. 1:28:46.000 --> 1:28:51.080 His name is Ted Demied. Yes, indeed, me and Ted 1:28:51.200 --> 1:28:54.800 became like super tight. He was the nephew of the 1:28:54.840 --> 1:28:58.320 Oscar Award winning director Jonathan Demi, who I became tight 1:28:58.360 --> 1:29:01.719 with later. Ted was a white kid from Long Island, 1:29:01.800 --> 1:29:04.759 grew up loving hip hop, really got it down. Pat 1:29:05.200 --> 1:29:08.519 Peter had seen the development. He was tapped in. They 1:29:08.800 --> 1:29:12.960 lobbied in, campaigned to get it hopping, and Peter was like, 1:29:13.479 --> 1:29:15.760 he's the guy that should host it. I was like, what, 1:29:16.560 --> 1:29:19.040 He's the guy that's in the raption video. There's this 1:29:19.120 --> 1:29:20.160 film Wild Style. 1:29:20.200 --> 1:29:20.599 He's in. 1:29:20.720 --> 1:29:24.360 He's connected, he's downtown. And so Peter was like kept 1:29:24.360 --> 1:29:28.920 telling me it was Peter's idea and got with Ted Demi. 1:29:28.960 --> 1:29:32.200 They were producers on the channel they wanted to do 1:29:32.280 --> 1:29:36.120 a show. Also, I must give props to a French chick, 1:29:36.400 --> 1:29:39.800 a black French woman named Sophie Bromley that had been 1:29:40.160 --> 1:29:43.599 in New York early on, hanging in the mix taking 1:29:43.640 --> 1:29:46.639 pictures of the very early stuff going to the fever, 1:29:47.280 --> 1:29:50.960 hooking up with you know, bam botty snapping. She goes 1:29:51.000 --> 1:29:53.559 back to Europe and MTV Europe actually does a show 1:29:53.600 --> 1:29:56.519 called Yo First, and Sophie host that for about a 1:29:56.600 --> 1:29:58.240 year or so. You can go on YouTube and see 1:29:58.240 --> 1:29:59.639 clips real attractive sister. 1:29:59.680 --> 1:30:01.200 She and she got. 1:30:01.040 --> 1:30:03.960 Friendly with mad people, so she knew so many people. 1:30:04.040 --> 1:30:06.200 Her vibe was just incredible. So they did that for 1:30:06.240 --> 1:30:09.400 about a year. Meanwhile, Peter is like, this is where 1:30:09.400 --> 1:30:11.880 it's born. This needs to happen here, and they were 1:30:11.920 --> 1:30:15.479 lobbying other executives. We should we gotta do this. Look 1:30:15.600 --> 1:30:18.720 like we're in boom boom boom. MTV was mirroring the 1:30:18.800 --> 1:30:22.640 way quote unquote pop radio was, which pretty much was 1:30:22.680 --> 1:30:23.240 all white. 1:30:23.640 --> 1:30:25.120 That was the rape radio was. 1:30:25.240 --> 1:30:28.960 Radio was very segregated in most places. So MTV was 1:30:29.000 --> 1:30:33.000 just mirroring what radio was. That was what they were 1:30:33.040 --> 1:30:37.920 basically doing. But these producers pushed and Peter was like, 1:30:38.400 --> 1:30:41.400 pitching me to be the host. And then he said, man, 1:30:41.560 --> 1:30:45.040 like we actually did a screen test, he said, if 1:30:45.080 --> 1:30:48.240 you if he knew I'm creative and I'm getting busy, 1:30:48.680 --> 1:30:50.519 he said, man, how would you want to do this? 1:30:50.720 --> 1:30:54.320 If we ever did get to do it. I was like, well, 1:30:54.360 --> 1:30:56.720 you know most of those VJs, you see them on 1:30:56.920 --> 1:30:59.559 for two three hours or whatever with some crazy goofy 1:30:59.560 --> 1:31:02.240 shit going on on the green screen behind him. I'm like, dude, 1:31:02.240 --> 1:31:04.719 I don't want to do that. That's why I said, 1:31:04.840 --> 1:31:07.040 I would feel more comfortable if I was in the 1:31:07.080 --> 1:31:10.519 street where artists is making their music in their basement, 1:31:10.640 --> 1:31:13.559 you know, on the corner. I'd be more comfortable there. 1:31:14.200 --> 1:31:16.479 And he said, okay, boom. That's why we did the 1:31:16.520 --> 1:31:19.320 little screen test where I kind of fake introduced a 1:31:19.439 --> 1:31:21.719 run dmc ll CUJ video. 1:31:21.800 --> 1:31:23.120 That was this little screen test. 1:31:23.880 --> 1:31:25.960 Next thing, I know, within a couple of weeks we 1:31:25.960 --> 1:31:30.960 were shooting the first episode and they bugged out and 1:31:31.000 --> 1:31:34.240 thought that the Nielsen ratings must have bugged out because 1:31:34.280 --> 1:31:36.200 it was the highest rated show that had the channel 1:31:36.360 --> 1:31:40.599 that had ever been on the channel. We've been saying, Wold, 1:31:42.360 --> 1:31:44.559 that shit took off like a rocket being you know, 1:31:44.640 --> 1:31:47.040 I was. At first it was a half hour, and 1:31:47.080 --> 1:31:49.320 then we went to an hour, and then they asked me, 1:31:49.560 --> 1:31:52.439 after about a year, did I want to host a 1:31:52.560 --> 1:31:54.920 daily version? And I used to watch a lot of 1:31:55.040 --> 1:31:57.920 MTV waiting to see a Michael Jackson video waiting for 1:31:58.000 --> 1:32:01.120 Princess Dove's Cry or the thing you really wanted to see, 1:32:01.400 --> 1:32:04.120 and then you'd be looking at these VJs. I felt like, Yo, 1:32:04.160 --> 1:32:06.160 you're corny. Fuck who are you? 1:32:06.160 --> 1:32:08.040 You know? Play my shit? 1:32:08.120 --> 1:32:08.320 You know? 1:32:08.840 --> 1:32:11.120 I mean, man, I don't want to be overexposed, you 1:32:11.160 --> 1:32:13.200 know what I'm saying. So they asked me if I 1:32:13.240 --> 1:32:15.400 wanted to do the Weekend. I said, nah, that's cool, 1:32:15.880 --> 1:32:20.479 and so Ted knew at Lover and Peter knew Doctor 1:32:20.560 --> 1:32:21.599 Dre because Doctor Dre. 1:32:21.720 --> 1:32:24.720 Was a producer. He produced just he produced a. 1:32:24.720 --> 1:32:27.200 Couple of records on Deaf Jam Real early on. I 1:32:27.240 --> 1:32:29.040 came remember the name of it now, but it was 1:32:29.400 --> 1:32:32.080 that had some eight o way base was crazy, and 1:32:33.120 --> 1:32:38.040 they put them together as the week as a week crew, 1:32:38.160 --> 1:32:41.760 like kind of like in a clubhouse like Aving Costello 1:32:42.120 --> 1:32:45.519 the week say, a weekend weekly, And I did there 1:32:45.640 --> 1:32:48.479 in the studio. It was in studio, and I was 1:32:48.600 --> 1:32:52.080 like running around mostly out here they're traveling, and that's 1:32:52.120 --> 1:32:55.200 what I was really fascinated, because I'm mad curious anyway, 1:32:55.520 --> 1:32:58.240 So as I hear now it's beginning to bubble in 1:32:58.280 --> 1:32:59.880 other places, I'm like, what are they making? 1:33:00.360 --> 1:33:03.120 Like the first time Yo m TV raps travel. 1:33:03.240 --> 1:33:07.040 It was to Miami to cover Luke Skywalker and the 1:33:07.120 --> 1:33:08.120 two Live crew. 1:33:08.120 --> 1:33:08.640 Talk about that. 1:33:12.880 --> 1:33:15.960 It's crazy, you know, this is the before South Beach 1:33:16.040 --> 1:33:18.000 got sexy. It was like a re It was like 1:33:18.000 --> 1:33:21.360 a retirement community as you if you remember old the 1:33:21.400 --> 1:33:24.960 folks sitting out in uh walking chairs and uh. But 1:33:25.040 --> 1:33:27.400 we went to Liberty City and I got to hang 1:33:27.439 --> 1:33:29.479 with Luke and he broke down what they were doing. 1:33:30.080 --> 1:33:32.200 I understood then, oh, this is just a lot of 1:33:32.240 --> 1:33:34.519 fun because I'm into lyrics, you know, I want bars 1:33:34.560 --> 1:33:37.680 and ship like that was once I saw how to 1:33:37.760 --> 1:33:39.639 get down spinning. 1:33:39.680 --> 1:33:40.760 It was just spending that ship. 1:33:40.800 --> 1:33:50.679 But I felt like it was it was there was. 1:33:48.760 --> 1:33:51.160 Yeah, so that's one hundred percent what they were doing. 1:33:51.840 --> 1:33:54.679 But I realized, like, this is a whole different thing, 1:33:54.760 --> 1:33:57.920 and it was fascinating to be able to showcase it 1:33:58.400 --> 1:34:00.439 and then to go to other cities. That was the 1:34:00.479 --> 1:34:02.799 biggest most exciting thing to me, to go to Houston 1:34:02.880 --> 1:34:05.600 interview the Ghetto Boys when Mine playing Tricks was the 1:34:05.640 --> 1:34:08.800 hottest record, you know, to catch be in San Francisco 1:34:09.040 --> 1:34:12.360 with Digital Underground, when you know the Humpty Hump and 1:34:12.400 --> 1:34:12.800 all that. 1:34:12.880 --> 1:34:13.760 Just just broke out. 1:34:13.840 --> 1:34:17.000 It was just the hangar on he Yeah, when I 1:34:17.040 --> 1:34:19.280 first interviewed he had they hadn't even put him in 1:34:19.320 --> 1:34:21.880 the mix yet, But then soon later he would be 1:34:21.880 --> 1:34:24.599 in the mix, and then I would interview him. The 1:34:24.640 --> 1:34:27.040 first interview I did with Tupac was when they were 1:34:27.040 --> 1:34:33.280 filming above the they were filming, Oh God, above them, No, 1:34:33.520 --> 1:34:37.559 not above the rim juice. I'm sorry, Bang, And we 1:34:37.600 --> 1:34:39.680 did something special because I'm in juice, I make a 1:34:39.720 --> 1:34:43.479 cameo Juice at the DJ scene. We filmed that interview 1:34:43.560 --> 1:34:46.599 and held it several months inuntil the film was ready 1:34:46.720 --> 1:34:51.439 so we could drop the special episode which we filmed 1:34:51.439 --> 1:34:55.519 on the set to help to promote that film. And 1:34:55.760 --> 1:34:58.919 that was just incredible stuff. So a lot of artists 1:34:59.439 --> 1:35:02.639 like Pac, like Dre Snoop oh Man, a long list 1:35:02.640 --> 1:35:07.720 of practically everybody super important made their television debut with 1:35:08.120 --> 1:35:09.360 me on Your MTV Raps. 1:35:09.360 --> 1:35:11.160 So it was real special and that was a catalyst 1:35:11.240 --> 1:35:12.839 to spread hip hop everywhere. 1:35:14.200 --> 1:35:15.800 Oh, this is the thing I've been meaning to say. 1:35:17.320 --> 1:35:22.599 The VHS tape thing is so special to me. People later, 1:35:22.880 --> 1:35:25.799 Your MTV Raps was one of the only shows MTV 1:35:25.920 --> 1:35:30.120 produced because MTV was franchised out in about six or 1:35:30.160 --> 1:35:34.639 seven other countries. It was MTV Europe, Brazil, Asia here 1:35:34.760 --> 1:35:38.240 there our show was the only show that was in 1:35:38.360 --> 1:35:43.280 all those other markets, but particularly in Europe. Like the 1:35:43.320 --> 1:35:45.360 first time I went to Africa, I went to Nigeria 1:35:45.439 --> 1:35:50.400 and I met some young Nigerians from affluent families, and 1:35:50.439 --> 1:35:51.519 they all recognized them. 1:35:51.560 --> 1:35:53.559 I'm like, what the hell is going on? How do 1:35:53.640 --> 1:35:55.120 you guys get it? 1:35:55.360 --> 1:35:58.040 Oh, we have the satellite thish, this is a this 1:35:58.160 --> 1:36:01.960 is twelve. Yes, we have a dish, which made me 1:36:02.040 --> 1:36:05.439 know like their people had paper, but they were able 1:36:05.479 --> 1:36:08.360 to pick up the European feed and they would make 1:36:08.400 --> 1:36:11.559 they were recording on VHS and sharing it with their 1:36:11.600 --> 1:36:15.400 friends like mixtapes, just like mixtapes. So sometimes I'll meet 1:36:15.560 --> 1:36:19.599 somebody brother be just so moved to tell me they 1:36:19.640 --> 1:36:22.519 had a relative or somebody would send them tapes of 1:36:22.600 --> 1:36:24.960 your TV raps and that's how they got tapped into 1:36:24.960 --> 1:36:25.439 the culture. 1:36:25.520 --> 1:36:28.200 That's mind blowing, fucking mind blowing. 1:36:28.439 --> 1:36:31.120 So that was like you said, going viral back then, 1:36:31.560 --> 1:36:35.160 but that the VHS tape and the cassette tape. 1:36:35.400 --> 1:36:37.160 Were critical to the culture. 1:36:38.840 --> 1:36:42.320 Should I remember speaking to Luke even uh, Well, this 1:36:42.400 --> 1:36:44.880 was pre DVD. Luke was putting out them videos and 1:36:44.920 --> 1:36:46.360 on wild parties. 1:36:45.960 --> 1:36:48.840 And then the Peep Show. 1:36:49.000 --> 1:36:52.800 Yes it'd be we'd be like, oh my god, Luke 1:36:52.960 --> 1:36:55.480 was x rated, but he was a brilliant businessman. 1:36:56.520 --> 1:36:58.320 We got to talk about when you went to Compton. 1:36:59.240 --> 1:37:00.240 Well once he again. 1:37:00.360 --> 1:37:03.479 So we had interviewed Easy on the show a few 1:37:03.560 --> 1:37:06.400 times when we won Easy and. 1:37:06.240 --> 1:37:09.160 Uh, they were great. Videos came out before it was 1:37:09.200 --> 1:37:10.040 Easy first. 1:37:10.400 --> 1:37:12.280 First people don't know that. 1:37:12.200 --> 1:37:14.200 They had been in the lab working on stuff, but 1:37:14.280 --> 1:37:16.720 I think the story goes it might have been draining them. 1:37:16.760 --> 1:37:19.320 That was like, yo, Easy, you should rap because Easy 1:37:19.439 --> 1:37:21.720 was bankrolling what they were doing. He's getting money on 1:37:21.720 --> 1:37:23.160 the street and it. 1:37:23.240 --> 1:37:25.880 Was his label. Ruthless was his label. 1:37:25.800 --> 1:37:26.800 Yeah exactly. 1:37:26.920 --> 1:37:30.400 So he was working on putting that together and so 1:37:30.439 --> 1:37:32.960 they got Easy to actually came on first and it 1:37:33.040 --> 1:37:35.719 worked right, So we it was one of the early 1:37:35.840 --> 1:37:36.760 videos that we had. 1:37:36.840 --> 1:37:37.920 I remember when your. 1:37:37.880 --> 1:37:39.000 TV rap takes off. 1:37:39.360 --> 1:37:42.160 So after you know, a few a month or so 1:37:42.439 --> 1:37:45.160 period of time, a couple of months, we'd go out 1:37:45.160 --> 1:37:47.800 to La you know, Ted was like listen, Easy's got 1:37:47.840 --> 1:37:49.559 this new group. We're gonna go out there and do 1:37:49.600 --> 1:37:49.920 a show. 1:37:49.960 --> 1:37:53.920 With him in La. When you say Ted, Ted. 1:37:52.840 --> 1:37:55.080 Demi was talking about Ted Demi. So I'm like, okay. 1:37:55.160 --> 1:37:58.800 Ethan was incredible with videos, were great, well produced. A 1:37:58.840 --> 1:38:01.920 good friend of mine named Kevin Swaying was the was 1:38:01.960 --> 1:38:04.760 the director of Brother from Cali who's produced. 1:38:04.400 --> 1:38:05.439 A million things, but. 1:38:05.360 --> 1:38:07.679 Back then he was cutting his tea for music videos 1:38:07.960 --> 1:38:11.120 as I was. And so we go out there to 1:38:11.200 --> 1:38:13.920 do this show with them. So we're in a new town. 1:38:13.960 --> 1:38:16.360 Now We're like okay. Because Ted we were in sync, 1:38:16.680 --> 1:38:19.400 we got to do something interesting because we were conscious 1:38:19.400 --> 1:38:22.800 of wanting to show the rest of the country this 1:38:22.880 --> 1:38:26.599 new group, this new area where I had been out 1:38:26.600 --> 1:38:28.920 in LA but mostly wes Hollywood, because I had had 1:38:28.920 --> 1:38:32.320 a big exhibit a couple of years prior at a 1:38:32.400 --> 1:38:36.840 really important contemporary gallery. Jean Michelle had been out there 1:38:36.840 --> 1:38:40.840 a year or two early showing with Gogosi in so 1:38:41.479 --> 1:38:43.280 Jean was like, you know, telling me about what it 1:38:43.320 --> 1:38:44.160 was like in LA, and. 1:38:44.120 --> 1:38:45.160 Then I got my chance. 1:38:45.720 --> 1:38:48.400 But now we're dealing with some with some hood ship 1:38:48.439 --> 1:38:51.160 which I had I knew nothing about. So the night 1:38:51.200 --> 1:38:55.200 before we go out to do the empty d NWA interview, 1:38:55.640 --> 1:38:59.000 Ted calls me in my room. He says, listen, everything 1:38:59.080 --> 1:39:01.280 is set up. What we're gonna do is we're gonna 1:39:01.280 --> 1:39:03.000 rent a truck, a flatbed truck. 1:39:03.040 --> 1:39:04.040 Oh it was a flat bed. I thought it was 1:39:04.040 --> 1:39:04.960 a pick of It was a flat bed. 1:39:05.040 --> 1:39:06.960 Yeah, it's like a big flat bed, a big truck. 1:39:07.000 --> 1:39:09.280 It had like, you know, rails around ship we could 1:39:09.360 --> 1:39:11.840 like it's like a hay ride type of without any Hey, 1:39:12.160 --> 1:39:14.400 we're gonna drive around. We're gonna meet with Easy. We're 1:39:14.400 --> 1:39:16.679 gonna meet here in Compton. We're gonna learn a little 1:39:16.680 --> 1:39:19.280 bit about Compton. Then we're gonna go to the swap 1:39:19.360 --> 1:39:22.080 meet where they get their little street gear in whatever, 1:39:22.600 --> 1:39:24.559 and then we're gonna ride out to Venice Beach. So 1:39:24.600 --> 1:39:27.439 I'm like, wow, we're gonna show people different spots in LA. 1:39:28.000 --> 1:39:31.320 We meet at the Welcome to a Compton sign and 1:39:32.439 --> 1:39:34.120 we tape the first episodes. This is where I meet 1:39:34.120 --> 1:39:37.719 the group for the first time. It's now Cube, it's uh, 1:39:38.200 --> 1:39:40.000 it's rand, it's yellow. 1:39:40.120 --> 1:39:41.280 You know, it's the whole thing. 1:39:41.320 --> 1:39:46.080 And a bunch of other cats, including the doc and 1:39:47.560 --> 1:39:49.679 the funny story I like to tell is I'm standing 1:39:49.720 --> 1:39:53.160 there and some cats roll up in a sixty four 1:39:53.280 --> 1:39:55.880 whatever once again. Oh and the night before Ted said, 1:39:55.880 --> 1:39:58.160 oh yeah, don't wear nothing black, don't wear nothing red, 1:39:58.240 --> 1:39:59.040 or don't wear that black. 1:39:59.680 --> 1:40:00.720 We knew nothing. 1:40:00.439 --> 1:40:01.960 About that, so we were in black. 1:40:01.960 --> 1:40:04.200 I didn't understand all this gang culture at that particular 1:40:04.240 --> 1:40:07.120 point in time, so whoy And when we get out there, 1:40:07.200 --> 1:40:09.320 n w A isn't all black. So I'm like, okay, 1:40:09.400 --> 1:40:12.200 yeah this is you know, we're all good. And I'm 1:40:12.240 --> 1:40:15.599 standing there and a car rolls up. It's like some 1:40:15.680 --> 1:40:20.720 casts in the sixty four, like Impalla and and and 1:40:20.760 --> 1:40:23.120 they kind of recognized me. So they're looking at me 1:40:23.160 --> 1:40:26.080 and I go like, hey, what's up? And Cube comes 1:40:26.080 --> 1:40:28.120 over to me. It's your fab Like, I just got 1:40:28.120 --> 1:40:30.800 to tell you, man, I'll hear if you do the 1:40:30.880 --> 1:40:33.160 peace sign like that. 1:40:32.439 --> 1:40:33.479 That's a gang sign. 1:40:33.720 --> 1:40:35.760 I was like, oh, he says, so we we have 1:40:35.920 --> 1:40:37.000 you have to do it this way. 1:40:37.400 --> 1:40:39.040 I was like, okay, which way you did it? You 1:40:39.040 --> 1:40:39.280 did it. 1:40:39.320 --> 1:40:42.679 This is like open hand cast, so you gotta. 1:40:42.520 --> 1:40:43.320 Do it this way, he said. 1:40:43.320 --> 1:40:46.040 He said this was because that was some some some 1:40:46.040 --> 1:40:52.160 some you know nothing, but the first hit time hearing 1:40:52.280 --> 1:40:54.960 any of this and not understanding how ill it is 1:40:55.439 --> 1:40:57.920 or what that culture is really all about. And that 1:40:58.160 --> 1:41:01.439 was the introduction, which then turns out to be a 1:41:01.479 --> 1:41:04.760 lot of people's favorite show because they get introduced to 1:41:04.800 --> 1:41:05.280 this group. 1:41:05.680 --> 1:41:06.639 We drive around. 1:41:07.000 --> 1:41:09.920 I always remember something that stuck with me because in 1:41:10.000 --> 1:41:13.439 between segments, Cube kept asking me, you're fab. 1:41:13.800 --> 1:41:14.400 I hadn't even. 1:41:14.320 --> 1:41:16.479 Listened to the record yet, by the way, to keep 1:41:16.479 --> 1:41:18.840 in mind, what's what's up with g rap? 1:41:20.400 --> 1:41:21.880 He's cool? G rap cool? 1:41:21.960 --> 1:41:24.120 And then he asked me again, you're fab, tell me 1:41:24.120 --> 1:41:27.520 something about it. And that's when you discovered that He's. 1:41:27.640 --> 1:41:31.040 When I later listened to the album. Mom was blown 1:41:31.120 --> 1:41:33.960 where they was going. It was like they was also 1:41:34.040 --> 1:41:38.240 inspired to go as hard as Public Enemy was going musically, 1:41:38.280 --> 1:41:41.320 which they was doing, but they was talking about this 1:41:41.360 --> 1:41:43.080 is where we're from, this is what's going on here. 1:41:43.160 --> 1:41:48.320 It blew my mind. Cube going to what is the 1:41:48.400 --> 1:41:49.639 Public Enemies producers? 1:41:49.720 --> 1:41:55.240 Yeah, you gets to New York. I'm the first person 1:41:55.280 --> 1:41:58.320 he called. I'm like, because we're tight. Now we got 1:41:58.360 --> 1:42:01.800 everybody numbers cool and not only that. Oh man, this 1:42:01.840 --> 1:42:05.360 is another good story. I had did an interview. Andy 1:42:05.360 --> 1:42:08.800 Walhol had had a magazine. It's called Interview Magazine. 1:42:09.439 --> 1:42:10.840 Wild. Okay, it's this. 1:42:10.840 --> 1:42:13.360 Story where and yeah, any Weell had a magazine, so 1:42:13.400 --> 1:42:15.639 I'm you know, I know Andy now and they would 1:42:15.680 --> 1:42:19.120 interview interesting people doing interesting stuff. It was a cool format, 1:42:19.200 --> 1:42:22.480 like a big news print. The photos were big, beautiful. 1:42:22.479 --> 1:42:27.040 It was like nothing was like it. And I was like, yo, 1:42:27.439 --> 1:42:30.560 let me reach out to them. I wanted to interview 1:42:31.120 --> 1:42:32.760 this new group because I had did a couple of 1:42:32.800 --> 1:42:35.200 interviews I did, and I did an I interviewed ll 1:42:35.479 --> 1:42:36.080 for interview. 1:42:36.520 --> 1:42:37.280 I did a few people. 1:42:37.320 --> 1:42:39.400 The first one I did was for Spike Lee for 1:42:39.520 --> 1:42:41.800 She's when She's got to have it came I'm in 1:42:41.880 --> 1:42:42.719 that for a second. 1:42:43.320 --> 1:42:44.280 Anyway. 1:42:46.000 --> 1:42:48.440 I interviewed n w A all of the group's. 1:42:48.160 --> 1:42:51.720 Members on the phone, and then we set up this 1:42:51.880 --> 1:42:54.120 photo shoot, which is happened in a few days later, 1:42:54.520 --> 1:42:57.559 and I talked to the photographer who's based out there, 1:42:57.640 --> 1:43:00.400 and I'm like, make sure you you know, these are 1:43:00.439 --> 1:43:02.920 the members of the group, you know, make sure this. 1:43:03.800 --> 1:43:06.400 So I set it all up and I talked to 1:43:06.479 --> 1:43:09.360 the photographer a little later. I go, so, how did 1:43:09.360 --> 1:43:12.040 it go? He said, he said, oh, fab, it went great. 1:43:12.160 --> 1:43:13.920 I go, so, so who was there again? And he 1:43:14.000 --> 1:43:15.479 runs down all the members of the group. I said, 1:43:15.479 --> 1:43:19.280 wait a minute, what about ice Cube? Are you sure, 1:43:19.280 --> 1:43:21.880 you sure. I can't believe what he's saying. He goes, yeah, fab, 1:43:21.960 --> 1:43:25.240 this is who was there? So Cube wasn't there. I 1:43:25.240 --> 1:43:28.000 couldn't understand why. And you didn't know he left the dude, 1:43:28.040 --> 1:43:31.360 he just left the group. I called Cube and he 1:43:31.439 --> 1:43:35.559 tells me. I'm like, yo, dude, really you left the group. 1:43:36.960 --> 1:43:39.560 This is that point, like the money wasn't right. He 1:43:39.640 --> 1:43:43.600 figured it out. Then the math wasn't mathing, and he 1:43:43.760 --> 1:43:45.559 was like yo, and he was trying to get his paper. 1:43:45.640 --> 1:43:49.240 It's all now we all know the stories documented. 1:43:48.920 --> 1:43:50.879 Like a consumer, we didn't know until we saw America's 1:43:50.960 --> 1:43:53.200 Most Wanted Like that's how I found out. 1:43:53.200 --> 1:43:53.880 I was like, what is this? 1:43:54.120 --> 1:43:55.960 So when he comes to New York, I'll know if 1:43:55.960 --> 1:43:57.880 you get called me and I'm I'm. 1:43:57.760 --> 1:43:58.280 Like, what's up. 1:43:58.360 --> 1:43:59.720 He's like, man, I can't work with. 1:43:59.720 --> 1:44:01.599 The squad man. That's the only one I can get 1:44:01.640 --> 1:44:03.120 busy with. I'm like, whoa. 1:44:03.960 --> 1:44:05.520 And then the rest is history. 1:44:06.680 --> 1:44:10.840 No vascinate all that ship South Hell and I'm like, wow, oh, 1:44:10.880 --> 1:44:12.760 you know what was incredible about that moment that I 1:44:12.800 --> 1:44:16.639 really loved Cube was the one that prominatly like water 1:44:16.760 --> 1:44:19.679 Jerry curl In beginning which was a big l a style. 1:44:19.800 --> 1:44:22.479 Black folks had the Jerry juice to Jerry Curl going on. 1:44:23.600 --> 1:44:25.080 When Cube did. 1:44:24.880 --> 1:44:27.479 His first performance at the Apollo, he. 1:44:27.479 --> 1:44:28.439 Shaved his head off. 1:44:28.479 --> 1:44:33.200 He came out with with with the bald and hallm 1:44:33.240 --> 1:44:37.400 went crazy. I'll never forget like how that hit so 1:44:37.479 --> 1:44:39.880 hard because everybody was used to seeing them like that 1:44:40.280 --> 1:44:42.800 and that was that ship. Like when that baldy hit, 1:44:42.960 --> 1:44:44.720 you know, that was a look right then, like that 1:44:44.840 --> 1:44:47.960 was that was official and uh and that was the 1:44:47.960 --> 1:44:50.719 beginning of him becoming like, you know, taking it to another. 1:44:50.520 --> 1:45:00.639 Level, crazy Jack. I'm gonna do our drinking game. Okay, drinking, 1:45:01.200 --> 1:45:03.000 so but he's your designated drinker. 1:45:04.320 --> 1:45:08.240 Sip if you want, you got wine. We got whatever 1:45:08.280 --> 1:45:13.200 you want, got go ahead, we got vodka. He said, 1:45:13.200 --> 1:45:15.960 he's the baka. See I told you man. 1:45:17.800 --> 1:45:20.320 You said it as you said it, all right, So 1:45:20.960 --> 1:45:22.840 here are the rules of the game. We're gonna give 1:45:22.880 --> 1:45:27.960 you two choices. You pick one the choices. We don't drink. 1:45:28.000 --> 1:45:28.719 Nobody drinks. 1:45:29.680 --> 1:45:32.160 But if you give the politically correct answer, which is 1:45:32.560 --> 1:45:35.439 either both you say I just this both or neither 1:45:35.479 --> 1:45:38.920 of them. Okay, we all love for both. Yeah, yeah, 1:45:39.000 --> 1:45:40.880 you say I love both of them, or I don't 1:45:41.000 --> 1:45:43.320 like both of them. We all drink. 1:45:43.560 --> 1:45:45.519 But this is really, this is not to just anybody's 1:45:45.560 --> 1:45:49.000 really for stories, anything that any of these choices bring 1:45:49.080 --> 1:45:50.120 up a story for you. 1:45:50.120 --> 1:45:51.800 Please give us the story. You know what I'm saying. 1:45:51.840 --> 1:45:56.320 Okay, okay, okay, the bathroom? 1:45:58.880 --> 1:46:06.600 Thank you? What'd you send it? As? Holy a million? No, 1:46:06.720 --> 1:46:07.280 I don't got it. 1:46:07.320 --> 1:46:14.360 You got it the picture? 1:46:14.640 --> 1:46:21.559 Yeah, that's it. Click above it. No, I don't see it. 1:46:21.680 --> 1:46:25.559 I see it you ready, Yeah, Dick, I don't see it. 1:46:25.600 --> 1:46:30.200 Let me get it. It's right to here, bros. Right, No, 1:46:30.360 --> 1:46:36.839 I don't see it. Oh, I see it now, my bad, bad, bad, ahead, 1:46:37.520 --> 1:46:40.280 I got it ready, don't forget that. 1:46:40.360 --> 1:46:42.040 I want to get on to talk about this. 1:46:42.200 --> 1:46:45.840 Absolutely. I haven't gotten that at all. Okay, yeah, absolutely, 1:46:45.880 --> 1:46:50.960 Biggie or big l WHOA your criteria. 1:46:50.520 --> 1:46:54.400 And it's your criteria and any stories with anybody as well. 1:46:54.560 --> 1:46:57.920 Because you knew you bet them both, big al I 1:46:58.040 --> 1:47:01.720 met briefly stripped club in the Bronx. 1:47:01.360 --> 1:47:08.360 Back then, Golden Lady, go, that's what you made Golden Lady. Okay, 1:47:07.240 --> 1:47:09.519 I feel my mom. 1:47:09.400 --> 1:47:13.200 Was there, yes, but I did a yo. 1:47:13.360 --> 1:47:17.320 MTV raps with the whole digging in the crates crew 1:47:18.360 --> 1:47:21.920 Show Business AG and them and the other brother that 1:47:22.040 --> 1:47:27.440 passed away with the with the with the on the turntables. 1:47:28.800 --> 1:47:33.040 One of the executioners, rock Raider, was there, and also. 1:47:32.840 --> 1:47:35.760 There was I'm glad you got scared for him too. 1:47:36.640 --> 1:47:39.879 I was big l but at that point I didn't. 1:47:39.680 --> 1:47:40.320 Know who he was. 1:47:40.360 --> 1:47:44.080 He was literally just getting on large. Professor was there. 1:47:44.120 --> 1:47:47.400 So the whole scene opens, everybody's digging in the crates 1:47:47.439 --> 1:47:48.479 because that was their thing. 1:47:48.600 --> 1:47:50.640 So we was like, yo, y'all, what up here? You know, 1:47:50.680 --> 1:47:51.519 how do my thing? 1:47:51.880 --> 1:47:55.120 We helped up here Show Business AG's laugh and homies 1:47:55.200 --> 1:47:58.800 digging in the crate recently, Yeah, one of my and 1:47:58.880 --> 1:48:02.000 so Big I'm like after later, I'm like, oh. 1:48:01.960 --> 1:48:03.320 My god, that's big out. 1:48:04.200 --> 1:48:08.639 So I love him, but I'm a little obviously Biggie 1:48:08.640 --> 1:48:10.840 got to produce a bit more, you know, I got 1:48:10.880 --> 1:48:13.400 to connect with Biggie. Put some blunts in the air. 1:48:13.800 --> 1:48:18.360 He was a he was a blunt chainsmoker. Yeah, well yeah, 1:48:18.439 --> 1:48:20.960 our gin. Of course we didn't engage at that point, 1:48:21.000 --> 1:48:24.479 but when we later met and connected, just the vibers, right, 1:48:24.520 --> 1:48:27.640 and then I do the whole interview with him, at 1:48:27.680 --> 1:48:30.040 the Bad Boy Officers, him and crag Mac. You know, 1:48:30.439 --> 1:48:33.680 that's his national television introduction. 1:48:34.040 --> 1:48:39.559 You know, wasn't that the time y'all introduced the Big 1:48:39.600 --> 1:48:40.920 Mac's that it. 1:48:40.960 --> 1:48:42.760 No, we into the Big Mac, but we're both in 1:48:42.800 --> 1:48:45.479 the office and but you know, but I asked Biggie 1:48:45.560 --> 1:48:49.040 a question because it was similar with referenced one of 1:48:49.080 --> 1:48:53.639 his rhymes. I was like, he said, sometimes the rap game, 1:48:53.920 --> 1:48:56.519 you know, was comparable to the crack game. 1:48:57.200 --> 1:48:58.920 And being that he had he was like. 1:48:58.960 --> 1:49:02.439 Yeah, you know, his answer was if I was flipping burgers. 1:49:02.479 --> 1:49:04.080 You know, if I was telling Burgers, then I would 1:49:04.080 --> 1:49:07.360 have been rapping about that. But one of the answers 1:49:07.400 --> 1:49:11.080 to that, that was a great moment with them, with 1:49:11.200 --> 1:49:14.120 them to Spittters Hot Spitters. 1:49:14.160 --> 1:49:17.720 Tupaca easy rest piece of both man. 1:49:18.280 --> 1:49:21.880 You met them both? Yeah, neither oh man, no question, 1:49:22.160 --> 1:49:28.479 that's so wow. Wow, I go it easy, Yeah, just 1:49:28.520 --> 1:49:30.679 because we look. I mean, I love them both. 1:49:30.760 --> 1:49:32.760 But had that. 1:49:32.720 --> 1:49:36.479 Connection and introduced the whole scene if I got But I. 1:49:36.400 --> 1:49:39.080 Loved the episode. We did your TV raps. 1:49:39.160 --> 1:49:42.400 You had it on earlier when I walked in and Tupac. 1:49:43.040 --> 1:49:47.040 That was the first time it was recorded because I knew, 1:49:47.080 --> 1:49:49.000 and it hadn't come out then, he hadn't become this, 1:49:49.160 --> 1:49:51.120 you know, the megastar in terms of you know. 1:49:51.120 --> 1:49:51.960 The movies and whatever. 1:49:52.360 --> 1:49:55.400 But I knew he had a Black Panther connection and 1:49:55.479 --> 1:49:58.720 found out and it's the first time he stated it. 1:49:59.240 --> 1:50:06.120 And Harlem, yeah, no, we were in LA because oh yeah, yeah, yeah, No. 1:50:06.160 --> 1:50:08.400 The Panther twenty one all happened. 1:50:08.160 --> 1:50:10.160 In New York when his mom was involved and. 1:50:10.240 --> 1:50:12.679 He was conceived. It's a crazy story. 1:50:13.040 --> 1:50:16.960 His mom was in and his the brother that was 1:50:17.000 --> 1:50:19.360 his father, they were both a part of the Black 1:50:19.400 --> 1:50:21.559 Panther twenty one and they were on trial. 1:50:21.600 --> 1:50:23.080 They were under heavy pressure. 1:50:23.520 --> 1:50:27.360 They had a moment together in the holding cell or 1:50:27.400 --> 1:50:30.600 whatever when the people that know that they break it 1:50:30.640 --> 1:50:31.800 all down because they was caught up in. 1:50:31.800 --> 1:50:35.560 The system for a while. That's how he was conceived. 1:50:35.720 --> 1:50:39.120 It's crazy. Yeah, So he came out of there. 1:50:39.160 --> 1:50:42.080 So when I asked him about that in that episode, 1:50:42.439 --> 1:50:45.080 and he says, he breaks that down, like I come 1:50:45.080 --> 1:50:49.720 from some you know, from some revolutionary stuff, like my 1:50:49.800 --> 1:50:52.519 mother was a panther, my father and they met he 1:50:52.600 --> 1:50:54.840 was a hustle on hundred thirty Fish Street and they 1:50:54.880 --> 1:50:57.519 got together, you know, where they was down trying to 1:50:57.560 --> 1:50:59.360 make revolution for real. 1:51:00.720 --> 1:51:02.840 Crazy, So that was a good moment. Smith and Western 1:51:02.920 --> 1:51:04.519 or m O P. M O P. 1:51:06.080 --> 1:51:08.479 I love Smith and Wesson too, but you know, being 1:51:08.560 --> 1:51:11.280 a Brooklyn cat the way m O P represents like they. 1:51:11.200 --> 1:51:14.360 Defined brown from Brooklyn one my time, Smith Wester is 1:51:14.360 --> 1:51:14.800 from Brooklyn. 1:51:15.120 --> 1:51:16.599 Oh yeah yeah, no, no doubt. 1:51:16.720 --> 1:51:20.000 I should be more specific and say Brownsville, very specific 1:51:20.120 --> 1:51:23.439 energy the way they articulated just the one. I feel like, 1:51:23.520 --> 1:51:27.200 what you know, like the best of Browns veil on 1:51:27.280 --> 1:51:28.639 some on some street, wild ship. 1:51:28.680 --> 1:51:32.080 They all my brothers too. Yeah, shut out all care 1:51:32.160 --> 1:51:35.639 rest one Ques or rock camp. Man, this is torture. 1:51:35.800 --> 1:51:37.760 I mean, come on, I mean, you know you drink 1:51:38.200 --> 1:51:39.800 if you if you don't want to pick, you know 1:51:40.439 --> 1:51:44.920 he drinks. Oh man, I'm sorry, yeah, thank you? Yeah yeah, yes, 1:51:44.960 --> 1:51:46.680 I don't want to know you don't want to pick? 1:51:49.080 --> 1:51:50.400 I think I think I mean you didn't have to 1:51:50.479 --> 1:51:52.920 remind him like that. Now we're gonna drink. No, thank you. 1:51:53.000 --> 1:51:54.160 I totally forgot the rules. 1:51:54.200 --> 1:51:58.559 I'm like, man, I want to have been said that, like, yeah, 1:51:58.560 --> 1:52:01.519 thank you, man, I would have been you know, I'm spazy. 1:52:02.040 --> 1:52:04.519 You don't want to do you want to shot one 1:52:04.560 --> 1:52:11.640 little piece on somewhere. You're dignating the whole hair. I 1:52:11.720 --> 1:52:14.840 love it, y'all be having all right? 1:52:15.280 --> 1:52:18.679 Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, come have a shot A shop 1:52:18.720 --> 1:52:20.400 for bad man. 1:52:21.160 --> 1:52:25.719 All right, so much? You know I got take your shot? Yeah, 1:52:25.800 --> 1:52:29.320 took me. Thanks for reminding me of the rules of 1:52:29.320 --> 1:52:30.400 the game. All right. 1:52:30.680 --> 1:52:35.800 For Duke Ellanton or John Coltrane or John Coltrane, I 1:52:35.840 --> 1:52:37.519 can't you gotta take a shot. 1:52:37.520 --> 1:52:40.640 I take a shot. Cool cook, that's the killer. He 1:52:40.800 --> 1:52:44.200 likes the killer. Yeah, go ahead to drink it out, 1:52:45.160 --> 1:52:51.280 coolie rapper, slick rick Man to drink up. Oh damn. 1:52:52.640 --> 1:52:54.720 Damn, come on man, y'all y'all, have. 1:52:54.800 --> 1:52:59.679 You got any good stories with any of them? Once again? 1:53:02.120 --> 1:53:05.680 Well shit, yes, I mean I directed. 1:53:06.400 --> 1:53:07.120 Oh this is great. 1:53:07.160 --> 1:53:09.840 I love to tell people because at this point when 1:53:09.840 --> 1:53:13.200 I'm directing the director board. Yeah, so I directed about 1:53:13.240 --> 1:53:18.800 sixty or soul music videos. The first one my philosophy. 1:53:19.400 --> 1:53:21.880 Hype did his thing. He had a whole incredible style. 1:53:22.000 --> 1:53:23.960 So love Hype. Love to see that. 1:53:23.960 --> 1:53:27.439 That was incredible, very exciting period of just a lot 1:53:27.520 --> 1:53:30.120 of people learning how to use film. And once again, 1:53:30.200 --> 1:53:33.720 wild style was my introduction and I had these ideas. 1:53:34.400 --> 1:53:36.479 It was a period where I was frustrated with just 1:53:36.560 --> 1:53:39.960 making paintings, having shows one solo show a year, a 1:53:40.000 --> 1:53:42.920 couple of group shows. I had this experience making wild 1:53:42.960 --> 1:53:46.000 Style and I wanted to do something with film again, 1:53:46.640 --> 1:53:49.519 and that's why I wanted to direct the videos. I'm 1:53:49.560 --> 1:53:51.640 you know, I was trying to do a public enemy video. 1:53:52.920 --> 1:53:53.679 Job Records. 1:53:53.720 --> 1:53:54.320 The woman that. 1:53:54.400 --> 1:53:58.439 Ran the head of the whole, An r Anne Carley, 1:53:58.760 --> 1:54:02.000 had heard and hired me to do my philosophy video 1:54:02.640 --> 1:54:03.479 for a charras one. 1:54:03.600 --> 1:54:04.800 Oh he's the first video. 1:54:05.640 --> 1:54:07.360 Yes, and then I go on to direct the whole 1:54:07.439 --> 1:54:12.519 bunch of videos in that period, and I directed Rode 1:54:12.560 --> 1:54:16.080 to the Riches for Coolchie Rap Crazyright. And what I'm 1:54:16.120 --> 1:54:18.800 most proud of in terms of where we were in 1:54:18.840 --> 1:54:23.040 that time, the crack game was really going on, and 1:54:23.080 --> 1:54:25.680 the song is about the rise and fall of a 1:54:25.720 --> 1:54:26.360 crack dealer. 1:54:27.000 --> 1:54:29.160 This is like ninety two ish if. 1:54:29.040 --> 1:54:32.320 You will time frame wise, and you know I'm from 1:54:32.360 --> 1:54:35.760 these streets, so I know that story band. So I 1:54:35.840 --> 1:54:38.680 put that together and if you remember the video. What 1:54:38.760 --> 1:54:40.760 I was also proud is I'm the first video to 1:54:40.760 --> 1:54:44.560 put an image of Scarface that became a super iconic thing. 1:54:44.920 --> 1:54:47.360 And I'm a film nerd as well as the art nerd, 1:54:47.400 --> 1:54:49.200 like I noticed it and I was like, I went 1:54:49.240 --> 1:54:51.320 to see Scarface the first day to film over. 1:54:51.480 --> 1:54:53.880 I'm a Brian D. Palmer fan. 1:54:54.480 --> 1:54:57.600 Who's the director And actually it was Oliver Stone that 1:54:57.640 --> 1:55:00.520 wrote the screenplay. So I was like, unbelievable film. And 1:55:00.520 --> 1:55:02.840 then to see it become such a big thing and 1:55:02.920 --> 1:55:08.440 the culture was fantastic. So bang I direct that video 1:55:08.760 --> 1:55:10.800 once again, which is the story of the rise and 1:55:10.880 --> 1:55:16.080 fall of a crack dealer like the shop of that to. 1:55:16.080 --> 1:55:17.560 The Richards, cool gi rap. 1:55:19.040 --> 1:55:22.040 And another little piece of that story is there's a 1:55:22.040 --> 1:55:25.040 brother named George Jackson Rest in peace that was in jail. 1:55:25.080 --> 1:55:27.480 He got no no, no, not the black not the 1:55:27.480 --> 1:55:32.640 black panther. Okay, okay, that's okay, no no no. I 1:55:32.680 --> 1:55:35.280 love that because you know, it's funny. I used to 1:55:35.360 --> 1:55:37.280 think of that early on, but then as you got 1:55:37.280 --> 1:55:37.560 to know. 1:55:37.560 --> 1:55:38.960 George, he looked at who he was. 1:55:39.280 --> 1:55:42.760 George was a brother from Harlem that went to Harvard 1:55:42.760 --> 1:55:46.600 on a football scholarship and worked his way into into Hollywood. 1:55:47.280 --> 1:55:49.880 And I think he worked on he might have had 1:55:49.920 --> 1:55:53.080 something to do with Crushcrew. He was hanging around doing 1:55:53.120 --> 1:55:57.360 things with Richard Pryor, and then he came he being there. 1:55:57.400 --> 1:55:58.240 He was from Harlem. 1:55:58.720 --> 1:56:01.920 He had this idea to make a gangster film and 1:56:02.000 --> 1:56:07.160 the film George came to me to assist with. There's 1:56:07.160 --> 1:56:11.120 a film called New Jack City. I'm an associal producer 1:56:11.240 --> 1:56:15.000 on that film. 1:56:16.160 --> 1:56:16.960 Thank you, Thank you. 1:56:17.400 --> 1:56:21.760 The story was actually based on the Nicky Bonds story 1:56:22.120 --> 1:56:26.000 heroin Whatever, but that's set in the nineteen seventies. George 1:56:26.040 --> 1:56:28.440 didn't want to set the film in the seventies. He 1:56:28.560 --> 1:56:32.480 wanted to set it which was current day. Current day, 1:56:32.600 --> 1:56:36.160 which was the early nineties when Nwjack swing is bubbling 1:56:36.240 --> 1:56:39.080 and about to explode. So he wanted to do a 1:56:39.120 --> 1:56:42.520 contemporary scene. And he knew I was tapped in. When 1:56:42.600 --> 1:56:46.200 George comes to meet with me to talk about this film, 1:56:46.200 --> 1:56:49.240 which I didn't know anything about, I'm finishing the rough 1:56:49.280 --> 1:56:55.040 cut of the Kougi Rap video okay, road to the Riches. 1:56:55.360 --> 1:56:57.560 And when I show him the video, if you remember, 1:56:57.600 --> 1:57:00.480 there's an undercover. There's a dude that's in Kouji Rap Crew. 1:57:00.760 --> 1:57:03.960 He starts off. They scrambling on the street, you know, 1:57:04.160 --> 1:57:06.840 like real, you know, real grimy Howard used to be 1:57:06.960 --> 1:57:09.880 hand in hand, you know, the jumbos and whatever. Then 1:57:10.000 --> 1:57:12.480 we see them he's the boss now in the in 1:57:12.520 --> 1:57:14.920 the office and whatever. And there's this cat that I 1:57:15.160 --> 1:57:19.040 that you see several times through the video that pulls 1:57:19.080 --> 1:57:22.320 out as the cops rush in. His man was was 1:57:22.400 --> 1:57:25.760 undercover and he may and you see you go back 1:57:25.760 --> 1:57:26.280 and watch. 1:57:26.120 --> 1:57:27.200 The Road to the Richards video. 1:57:27.680 --> 1:57:30.680 When George watches the video, He's like, oh my god, 1:57:30.880 --> 1:57:34.440 this is the idea in the movie which I see 1:57:34.800 --> 1:57:39.840 and is the cop you know, infiltrating Nino Brown's organization. 1:57:40.440 --> 1:57:42.760 When George had this, put this in front of me 1:57:42.840 --> 1:57:46.480 and he had gotten his brother Sadly, he passed not 1:57:46.640 --> 1:57:49.920 long ago Barry Michael Cooper, who was from Harlem, but 1:57:50.080 --> 1:57:53.320 he was nice with the words. His word game was crazy. 1:57:53.400 --> 1:57:57.200 And Barry had written a couple of articles and being 1:57:57.640 --> 1:58:01.200 he was from Harlem, like writers that was connected to 1:58:01.360 --> 1:58:04.720 our scene. Our culture at that time hadn't emerged yet 1:58:04.760 --> 1:58:09.200 with a strong voice. And George was highly educated. 1:58:08.760 --> 1:58:10.120 But he was from these streets too. 1:58:10.400 --> 1:58:13.440 When he saw a couple of articles Barry had written, 1:58:13.440 --> 1:58:15.800 and that in fact, one of the very first articles 1:58:15.840 --> 1:58:20.120 on the crack epidemic, about to happen. Think it might 1:58:20.160 --> 1:58:23.440 have been a spin magazine. George was like, this brother 1:58:23.520 --> 1:58:26.400 can write this script. And George got burried to write 1:58:26.440 --> 1:58:30.680 the screenplay for New Jack City. And after he saw 1:58:30.720 --> 1:58:33.880 the video, I came on as a producer to help 1:58:33.920 --> 1:58:38.360 the flavor, like the jewry, you know, Wesley's clothes, Like 1:58:38.640 --> 1:58:41.960 I was hovering over all of those departments, getting the 1:58:42.120 --> 1:58:44.680 fourth finger ring right, getting the right jewelry right at 1:58:44.720 --> 1:58:48.120 different times as they was rising, you know, the suits, 1:58:48.160 --> 1:58:49.880 and that was phenomenal. 1:58:50.120 --> 1:58:53.320 So that's crazy, makes some. 1:58:53.400 --> 1:58:55.560 Change exactly exactly. 1:58:56.760 --> 1:58:59.200 I love it. Christopher moment. 1:58:59.480 --> 1:59:02.320 Yeah, yeah, that was. 1:59:04.760 --> 1:59:05.080 Listen. 1:59:05.120 --> 1:59:07.280 I remember when we were shooting that scene New Jack 1:59:07.400 --> 1:59:11.280 City where Wesley stabs Christopher Wims and I never liked 1:59:11.280 --> 1:59:16.000 you anyway, pretty motherfucker that ship. Every time we shot, 1:59:16.320 --> 1:59:18.560 there's moments when you're on a set, if you got 1:59:18.680 --> 1:59:19.360 actors at. 1:59:19.240 --> 1:59:22.400 That level, when they do that, the whole crew is like. 1:59:22.400 --> 1:59:26.240 No, everybody is everybody has stopped doing what they do 1:59:26.280 --> 1:59:29.200 in the watch, like yo, he's doing his thing. And 1:59:29.240 --> 1:59:31.320 when he did that ship, it was so crazy. I 1:59:31.360 --> 1:59:34.120 was like what, I never like you went like just 1:59:34.200 --> 1:59:36.200 to stab a nigga, like in the hand like that, 1:59:36.440 --> 1:59:38.040 like you like your crew was ship. 1:59:38.680 --> 1:59:38.880 You know. 1:59:39.720 --> 1:59:43.480 That was the dynamic. Let me tell you another listen, 1:59:43.520 --> 1:59:46.840 let me tell you another interesting dynamic about that. And 1:59:46.960 --> 1:59:49.600 this was my role on that film, being that I 1:59:49.680 --> 1:59:52.120 know what time it was and George wanted to the 1:59:52.240 --> 1:59:55.720 archetypes were people in the game and the thing the 1:59:55.840 --> 2:00:00.440 model for Nino Brown in our heads and this me 2:00:00.600 --> 2:00:03.120 that no, you know, it's what I'm in brought on 2:00:03.160 --> 2:00:03.360 to do. 2:00:04.200 --> 2:00:05.240 Was Big Daddy came. 2:00:06.520 --> 2:00:08.680 It was that was the model in terms of the 2:00:08.800 --> 2:00:09.320 art type. 2:00:11.080 --> 2:00:11.920 We can see that. 2:00:11.960 --> 2:00:12.360 I see. 2:00:12.440 --> 2:00:14.920 It was a character in the way his the way 2:00:14.960 --> 2:00:17.320 he would do his wrap thing and uh, some of 2:00:17.360 --> 2:00:20.520 his early videos boom, so we you know, I see 2:00:20.720 --> 2:00:23.640 was definitely you know, so I'm bringing all these names 2:00:24.880 --> 2:00:25.560 to the table. 2:00:25.960 --> 2:00:27.240 But we had. 2:00:27.200 --> 2:00:31.080 Audition Kane, he was incredible, but we had heard. 2:00:30.840 --> 2:00:32.760 About this brother that was it was. 2:00:32.920 --> 2:00:36.120 I think it was, Oh my god, was it not 2:00:36.400 --> 2:00:39.520 No Better? What was the movie? Wesley debuts and it 2:00:39.600 --> 2:00:44.680 might have been White Up. No, i'mna be mad at myself, 2:00:46.400 --> 2:00:47.080 That's what I'm thinking. 2:00:47.240 --> 2:00:48.000 Was it Mo Better? 2:00:48.080 --> 2:00:49.160 Wesley's first film? 2:00:49.200 --> 2:00:52.080 I think he was about to start shooting all the time. 2:00:53.760 --> 2:00:56.280 Bobcats Wildcats. 2:00:57.520 --> 2:00:58.560 No what I'm talking about. 2:00:58.600 --> 2:01:01.640 No, not that this was specifically a Spike Lee film. 2:01:08.200 --> 2:01:09.120 I think it was Younger Fever. 2:01:10.120 --> 2:01:16.480 And George had had, you know, had gotten like a 2:01:16.520 --> 2:01:18.440 line on this guy. He said, Yo, there's this actor, 2:01:18.640 --> 2:01:21.800 young actor, Wesley Snipes. He's about to be and he's 2:01:21.920 --> 2:01:24.240 just shot this next this new Spike lead film I 2:01:24.240 --> 2:01:28.160 believe was Jungle Fever. He said, I think this could 2:01:28.200 --> 2:01:32.600 be our Nino Brown. And we went to the after 2:01:32.720 --> 2:01:35.440 party for Spike's film and I meet him for the 2:01:35.480 --> 2:01:38.480 first time. He had been in another film about baseball. 2:01:38.520 --> 2:01:40.240 He was playing a baseball player, but it didn't really 2:01:40.240 --> 2:01:43.320 blow up. It was like, I think it was major 2:01:43.400 --> 2:01:48.520 League thinks that as he was Willie May's Hayes his character. 2:01:49.440 --> 2:01:54.000 And so we now, George, we're very aware of the 2:01:54.160 --> 2:01:58.960 dynamic amongst us of the dark skin and the light skin, 2:01:59.760 --> 2:02:03.880 and and something was happening at that time with Michael 2:02:04.000 --> 2:02:08.360 Jordan with Wesley Snipes. It was like the dark skin 2:02:08.520 --> 2:02:12.800 now is emerging as an alternative, you know, getting some 2:02:13.040 --> 2:02:16.440 shine and some legit. Bobby Brown was on fire and 2:02:16.520 --> 2:02:18.840 about to explode. So we were like, you know what, 2:02:19.240 --> 2:02:22.560 as opposed to going the way Hollywood made typical one. 2:02:22.800 --> 2:02:25.920 Somebody a little lighter, brighter, you know, curly here like that, 2:02:26.280 --> 2:02:27.840 like you know whatever. We were like, we want to 2:02:27.880 --> 2:02:30.040 go to complete opposite. This was something that George and 2:02:30.120 --> 2:02:34.080 I were very like, okay, that makes sense. So the 2:02:34.200 --> 2:02:38.120 first time we go to meet Wesley, I remember, we 2:02:38.320 --> 2:02:40.880 now knew we know this. We knew this is gonna 2:02:40.920 --> 2:02:43.240 be fire right the film like what we're putting together, 2:02:43.320 --> 2:02:44.480 got Teddy Riley putting. 2:02:44.280 --> 2:02:45.160 The soundtrack together. 2:02:45.480 --> 2:02:50.240 We is, yeah, oh my god, telling myselfday Tuesday, Yeah, 2:02:50.920 --> 2:02:51.840 tell Teddy. 2:02:52.120 --> 2:02:52.680 Tell Teddy. 2:02:52.760 --> 2:02:53.480 I talked about this. 2:02:54.160 --> 2:02:56.160 He gonna light up because I'm in the studio like 2:02:56.240 --> 2:03:00.600 I'm hovering over like boom boom boom, and we we go. 2:03:01.120 --> 2:03:03.760 We pulled Wesley to the side, and you know. 2:03:03.800 --> 2:03:06.440 He's auditioning everything like he's incredible, Like you know, he's 2:03:06.840 --> 2:03:08.680 he can do it, like he can cry and the 2:03:08.760 --> 2:03:11.000 scene that we need, he can do that whole shit, 2:03:11.080 --> 2:03:14.880 Like he's a whole acting package. So we said Wesley, like, yo, man, 2:03:15.040 --> 2:03:17.320 like I'm telling him. I said, man, you, I said, 2:03:17.480 --> 2:03:19.360 this film is really going to make you a star. 2:03:20.320 --> 2:03:23.800 He said, no, fab that's not gonna happen. Man, I said, 2:03:23.800 --> 2:03:26.520 what do you mean Because we saw it. He says, 2:03:27.360 --> 2:03:33.960 I'm too dark, and I was like, wow, I remember 2:03:34.240 --> 2:03:36.920 George and I both laughed because that was exactly why 2:03:37.080 --> 2:03:38.040 we knew it was going. 2:03:38.000 --> 2:03:41.800 To happen, because we felt the tempo this was coming 2:03:41.880 --> 2:03:42.760 now and the. 2:03:42.920 --> 2:03:47.440 Gangster but still like attractive with a dangerous sexy. We 2:03:47.680 --> 2:03:50.640 had the whole shit mapped out like what we needed 2:03:50.680 --> 2:03:53.160 this character like to be, you know what I'm saying, 2:03:53.680 --> 2:03:56.000 and shit worked and Wesley blew up. It was just 2:03:56.200 --> 2:03:59.400 beautiful to see it all explode bigger, even bigger than 2:03:59.560 --> 2:04:01.800 I think. You know, I didn't know people was we 2:04:01.920 --> 2:04:03.600 see it was, you know, bullets was going. 2:04:03.760 --> 2:04:05.120 It was that weekend. 2:04:05.160 --> 2:04:09.440 It was quite a sensation. That was a long story. 2:04:09.880 --> 2:04:10.440 That was great. 2:04:10.720 --> 2:04:11.320 Thank you, Jim. 2:04:12.360 --> 2:04:15.480 That reallyed to me being a producer on New Jack City. 2:04:15.680 --> 2:04:19.160 Miles Davis or lowis armstrong man. Y'all got a drink, man, 2:04:20.480 --> 2:04:21.640 I'll drink. 2:04:21.840 --> 2:04:25.320 So yes, Miles I met because of him and Max 2:04:25.440 --> 2:04:29.200 Roach were tight and Max was a big fan of 2:04:29.280 --> 2:04:31.560 all the hip hop stuff as it was just beginning 2:04:31.640 --> 2:04:36.680 to emerge, and so uh he was really into it 2:04:37.400 --> 2:04:41.080 and as was Miles. Like I like to say, Max, 2:04:41.840 --> 2:04:45.160 Max Max Roach, who was the drummer that was my godfather. 2:04:45.960 --> 2:04:47.720 If I didn't if we didn't talk about him earlier, 2:04:48.320 --> 2:04:51.360 and he was tight with Miles and Miles and they 2:04:51.400 --> 2:04:54.200 would talk about different things going on. Miles was you know, 2:04:54.320 --> 2:04:56.760 he switched from the classic jazz and went into the 2:04:57.160 --> 2:04:57.880 jazz rock. 2:04:58.480 --> 2:05:01.160 And they were very they're very they a very open minded. 2:05:01.320 --> 2:05:05.960 And so is it true that Louis Armstrong asked for 2:05:06.200 --> 2:05:07.040 a week card. 2:05:07.880 --> 2:05:11.160 Yeah, that's in my film, Yeah, in my in the 2:05:11.240 --> 2:05:15.440 documentary I made about the Week Yeah, this is legit. Yeah, 2:05:15.480 --> 2:05:17.520 the documentary I made for this ship. 2:05:17.880 --> 2:05:18.080 Yeah. 2:05:18.400 --> 2:05:21.520 Yeah, so it's yeah, now it's legal. But Louis, it 2:05:21.640 --> 2:05:23.480 was such great logic in that moment in the. 2:05:23.520 --> 2:05:24.600 Sixties he asked for that. 2:05:26.120 --> 2:05:28.360 It was known among many people. 2:05:28.600 --> 2:05:30.720 He said that you could get a gun license. 2:05:31.000 --> 2:05:32.160 That's in that film. 2:05:32.200 --> 2:05:36.200 That's exactly what he said. Yes, makes so much, doesn't 2:05:36.320 --> 2:05:36.640 thank you? 2:05:37.800 --> 2:05:43.480 Telling his manager his manager was yeah, his manager's Yes. 2:05:43.680 --> 2:05:47.120 His manager was a real deal gangster that they were 2:05:47.160 --> 2:05:50.160 super tight and he was able to the gangsters controlled 2:05:50.200 --> 2:05:52.560 a lot of the music industry and what have you. 2:05:52.920 --> 2:05:55.040 And Louis manager was he was. 2:05:55.040 --> 2:05:55.680 The real deal. 2:05:56.000 --> 2:05:58.920 He sold a letter they didn't write the letter, but 2:05:59.000 --> 2:06:02.480 he wrote what Louis Armstrong would do. He would record 2:06:03.880 --> 2:06:08.000 how he felt. There's hours of him just expressing himself. 2:06:08.720 --> 2:06:11.600 And this was one of the things that he had 2:06:11.680 --> 2:06:15.600 talked about numerous times about why they pressuring me for 2:06:15.720 --> 2:06:19.720 this plan which is virtually basically harmless and I should 2:06:19.960 --> 2:06:22.000 telling his manager in a sense, which I think it 2:06:22.120 --> 2:06:24.680 was a letter if I'm not mistaken, But there's tape 2:06:24.720 --> 2:06:28.200 to him talking about the about the illogical nature of 2:06:28.360 --> 2:06:32.520 cannabis being criminalized and him kind of being pressured when 2:06:33.240 --> 2:06:35.840 which is what my whole film, Grasses Green it gets into. 2:06:37.520 --> 2:06:37.720 Yeah. 2:06:41.480 --> 2:06:42.840 Yeah, it was heavy duty. 2:06:42.640 --> 2:06:46.640 Pressure that they targeted people in the music game, and 2:06:46.720 --> 2:06:49.160 they knew Louis and other people that got pressured the 2:06:49.280 --> 2:06:51.919 most for this plant that never killed anybody. 2:06:52.520 --> 2:06:54.840 And Louis was you know, it was real. He was 2:06:54.960 --> 2:06:57.880 well renowned and we believe and. 2:06:57.960 --> 2:07:01.320 The research I did with other like cannabis experts, when 2:07:01.320 --> 2:07:03.800 because he sometimes referred to it as a golden lead, 2:07:05.400 --> 2:07:08.440 I've been looking for his connection. Really knew how to 2:07:08.560 --> 2:07:12.120 cultivate cannabis for the flower. When we was coming up, 2:07:12.200 --> 2:07:15.160 most people just smoked everything. Damn there, you didn't know like, 2:07:15.960 --> 2:07:18.280 you know, it's when the weed got got that sticky 2:07:18.320 --> 2:07:21.600 stuff on it. That's the flower giving you like the 2:07:21.760 --> 2:07:25.880 real state of the art in in cannabis, you know, 2:07:26.680 --> 2:07:29.560 like a sativa like an indica. We believe that's what 2:07:29.720 --> 2:07:31.200 Louis had a direct line on it. 2:07:32.320 --> 2:07:35.280 So his weed was consistently great. Louis had Branson back then. 2:07:39.960 --> 2:07:43.880 I loved that part of your documentary. Yeah, Branson and 2:07:44.120 --> 2:07:47.040 BIG's on film, and that's probably two of the last 2:07:47.520 --> 2:07:50.280 filmed people in the listen. Branson is my boy. 2:07:50.360 --> 2:07:54.200 It was really hard work to get Branson and the 2:07:54.320 --> 2:07:57.200 day we were initially were shooting him, he stood up 2:07:57.240 --> 2:08:00.400 my whole crew and I'm like, I got made people 2:08:00.520 --> 2:08:06.400 my DP Malik Sai. These are feature level cinematographers, you know, 2:08:06.520 --> 2:08:07.160 brother in the gang. 2:08:07.240 --> 2:08:07.640 That's what I mean. 2:08:07.720 --> 2:08:11.720 He was just he was Hype, Hype Williams name cinematographer 2:08:12.280 --> 2:08:15.280 coming up. They designed that that look of what Hype 2:08:15.400 --> 2:08:18.520 was doing. But uh yeah, that was heavy. That was 2:08:18.600 --> 2:08:20.640 heavy pressure. Said let me, let me, let me just 2:08:20.680 --> 2:08:21.600 say something that we're here. 2:08:23.280 --> 2:08:25.360 I tell the famous story of one time I was 2:08:25.440 --> 2:08:29.880 drunk on one hundred and twenty fourth Street. This is 2:08:29.960 --> 2:08:34.040 the first, Uh, I believe it's Fruits of Life. And 2:08:34.200 --> 2:08:37.800 we were we were drinking. We were drinking, I mean Harlem. 2:08:37.840 --> 2:08:42.560 Obviously I live in Jersey, but I was I was, 2:08:43.440 --> 2:08:46.920 I was drunk, but I was sober enough to know 2:08:48.360 --> 2:08:50.800 if I get if I make it to Branson Block, yeah, 2:08:51.000 --> 2:08:54.800 I'm safe. Uh No, I tell the story. And Branson 2:08:54.880 --> 2:08:58.360 recently that co signing story, right, I went, he's been 2:08:58.400 --> 2:08:59.680 on a part, right he did. 2:08:59.840 --> 2:09:00.440 He did. 2:09:01.240 --> 2:09:03.600 Let me break it down because there's a part of 2:09:03.680 --> 2:09:06.080 this story that's super missing. Wow. No, it's with me. 2:09:06.320 --> 2:09:08.760 And I'm telling Jada Kiss this. Jada Kiss knows exactly 2:09:08.840 --> 2:09:13.760 what it is. Okay, I'm sitting there in Harlem. I 2:09:13.920 --> 2:09:16.640 drink tager Bone. This is tager bone fancy. 2:09:16.360 --> 2:09:17.920 We had that tagle Bonejack. 2:09:18.200 --> 2:09:20.880 So I'm one hundred and twenty four form Foods of Life. 2:09:22.560 --> 2:09:25.560 I live in Jersey. I'm on my way ahead of Jersey, 2:09:25.640 --> 2:09:27.840 and I'm like, I can't make this. There's no way. 2:09:28.440 --> 2:09:30.320 I don't even want to, like risk my life, Like 2:09:30.520 --> 2:09:32.800 my life is too important. So I go to the 2:09:32.840 --> 2:09:36.400 savings place in the world that I think, you know 2:09:36.440 --> 2:09:39.520 what the saving places in the world was at that moment, 2:09:41.080 --> 2:09:44.680 was Branson bl Wow, I drove my car to Branching 2:09:44.880 --> 2:09:47.880 Block and this is I love the fact that he 2:09:48.440 --> 2:09:53.400 co signed my story about I want to reiterate how 2:09:53.520 --> 2:09:57.240 important this man is in our community and is to 2:09:57.440 --> 2:10:02.120 the cannabis lifestyle legend. He's legend. There was at times 2:10:02.160 --> 2:10:06.480 where right now in New York City, if you go 2:10:06.560 --> 2:10:09.840 to certain restaurants, just stick up kids outside of these restaurants. 2:10:10.280 --> 2:10:12.200 If you go to a certain spots, just stick up 2:10:12.240 --> 2:10:16.480 kids outside of this spot. Branson has so much love 2:10:16.920 --> 2:10:23.000 and so much power that you can walk into Branson 2:10:23.080 --> 2:10:26.600 and Red Man would be behind it the thing pause, 2:10:27.520 --> 2:10:31.680 sucking on a lottipop. They had the best lottipops at 2:10:31.720 --> 2:10:34.840 this time. This is just just chill. 2:10:35.640 --> 2:10:36.680 That's the Japanese can. 2:10:37.520 --> 2:10:41.080 They had the Japanese candy that. Seriously, you will go 2:10:41.240 --> 2:10:44.560 back there. You go use the bathroom, Biggie Smalls will 2:10:44.560 --> 2:10:48.400 be coming out the bathroom, I kid you not. For us, 2:10:50.280 --> 2:10:56.720 Branson created an experience. It wasn't about going to buy. 2:10:58.080 --> 2:11:03.240 But I come from means I'm literally almost an hour 2:11:03.280 --> 2:11:05.760 and a half with traffic, and it's always traffic in 2:11:05.840 --> 2:11:09.600 New York City. I would come from Queen's ninety seven 2:11:09.640 --> 2:11:12.240 DA thirty fifty seventh Avenue and go all the way 2:11:12.800 --> 2:11:16.240 wow to the tri barrow. And guess what. I would 2:11:16.320 --> 2:11:21.560 not leave Branson when I saw him in your documentary. 2:11:22.360 --> 2:11:24.760 I saw how comfortable he was, and I know he's 2:11:24.800 --> 2:11:27.640 not comfortable with entertainment. There's so many people who make 2:11:27.680 --> 2:11:30.280 him up. That's so true. There's so many people would 2:11:30.280 --> 2:11:33.720 pick him up, and he's always like, took the back. 2:11:34.520 --> 2:11:36.480 So I want to I want to reiterate this part 2:11:36.520 --> 2:11:39.920 of the story. That the reason why I parked at 2:11:39.960 --> 2:11:44.200 Branson and I pulled up, I had a six hundred. 2:11:44.280 --> 2:11:47.720 This is the brand new six hundred. Ben Jada Kisson 2:11:47.760 --> 2:11:48.840 knew the story. Jady Kiss. 2:11:49.000 --> 2:11:50.040 I was like, Yo, where did you go? 2:11:50.280 --> 2:11:52.400 Because I was drinking with Jada Kiss. That's the reason 2:11:52.440 --> 2:11:57.480 why he was there with me. But I went and 2:11:57.560 --> 2:11:59.600 I parked the car and I just looked at the 2:11:59.680 --> 2:12:02.440 first person that I know I saw in Branson, and 2:12:02.560 --> 2:12:05.880 I was like, yo, I can't drive. I gave the 2:12:06.000 --> 2:12:08.360 kid my key. Is that the kid that had to 2:12:08.400 --> 2:12:10.960 have the dreads? No, No, you talking about Eddie, you 2:12:11.000 --> 2:12:15.240 talk about Okay? You know that that that was that 2:12:15.400 --> 2:12:18.680 was that was that was his people inside. This was 2:12:18.680 --> 2:12:21.080 the people from the block. How much? What's how much? 2:12:21.360 --> 2:12:25.400 Branson had love and block? I knew anybody who knew him, 2:12:26.200 --> 2:12:28.680 I was good with. I gave this guy my key, Bro, 2:12:29.320 --> 2:12:31.640 I don't know him from nowhere. I gave him my 2:12:31.800 --> 2:12:37.840 key and I called what we called o J. This 2:12:38.000 --> 2:12:41.280 is New York Shire. That was that was that. 2:12:46.160 --> 2:12:46.720 Back in the day. 2:12:46.760 --> 2:12:50.960 And I went and I went home, and I woke 2:12:51.040 --> 2:12:53.200 up and I had no worries in the world. I 2:12:53.560 --> 2:12:56.200 promise you. I went right back to the same block 2:12:56.280 --> 2:12:59.200 and everything was good. Kid was sitting there, waven be like, yo, 2:12:59.240 --> 2:13:03.440 you're good, Like, yeah, that was the right thing you did. 2:13:03.520 --> 2:13:05.240 You couldn't have made it to whatever the fuck you? 2:13:06.240 --> 2:13:09.680 And what I'm trying to say to you is Branson. 2:13:09.800 --> 2:13:13.160 When Branson answered this story, yeah, he answered it as 2:13:13.360 --> 2:13:17.520 if it was the respect for me. I have to 2:13:17.840 --> 2:13:21.280 I have to take that away. This is a modest cat. 2:13:21.400 --> 2:13:25.440 So that's yeah, he's the modest, humble guy. There was 2:13:25.560 --> 2:13:32.000 a reason I went to that block. He that was 2:13:32.080 --> 2:13:37.760 the safest block in America. Bro Branson sold you triangle bags. 2:13:37.800 --> 2:13:39.960 And I've seen that when you was and then I've 2:13:40.000 --> 2:13:42.680 seen you. You actually went on that podcast. You showed 2:13:42.720 --> 2:13:43.440 the envelope on. 2:13:43.480 --> 2:13:45.480 The I made how to weave back. 2:13:45.560 --> 2:13:48.600 You used to look. Yeah, but let me just describe 2:13:48.720 --> 2:13:52.320 you because you also in your documentary you said sixty 2:13:52.480 --> 2:13:54.640 over sixty rappers shout it out brands. 2:13:54.720 --> 2:13:56.840 Yes, right, he had to tell you put together. 2:13:57.240 --> 2:14:00.879 So let me tell you why, Gush. You come from Queens, 2:14:03.080 --> 2:14:08.560 you come from Staten Island, you come from Jersey, you 2:14:08.680 --> 2:14:11.000 come from anywhere in the world. And then with those 2:14:11.080 --> 2:14:13.640 three blocks, because he did not only have that one block, 2:14:14.080 --> 2:14:18.920 he had all these other blocks. I would buy my butt, 2:14:20.480 --> 2:14:25.080 bring some champagne, and I would sit there a Queens dude. Wow, 2:14:26.160 --> 2:14:28.960 I get my car washed out there. That's that old 2:14:28.960 --> 2:14:32.560 school hall. Let me tell you something, there has never 2:14:32.720 --> 2:14:37.040 been experience like Branson. So when I kept I just 2:14:37.160 --> 2:14:39.920 kept rewinding your documentary just looking at that because this 2:14:40.000 --> 2:14:41.840 is the first time that he talked and he was 2:14:41.920 --> 2:14:46.480 still humble. So I'm going to brag for him. I'm 2:14:46.520 --> 2:14:50.040 a brag for him. Branson, bro, we all owe you 2:14:50.200 --> 2:14:54.280 a lot. You gave us a sense of safety and 2:14:54.480 --> 2:14:59.160 sense of comfortability like we couldn't even get about. I'm 2:14:59.160 --> 2:15:02.400 speaking on for all rappers to feel you. We couldn't 2:15:02.440 --> 2:15:05.680 get that comfortability in our own hood because people would 2:15:05.760 --> 2:15:07.960 judge us. But for that block, I don't know what 2:15:08.120 --> 2:15:11.000 he did to that block. Loved him. 2:15:11.680 --> 2:15:14.320 It's just so beautiful to hear you articulated like that. 2:15:14.600 --> 2:15:17.720 That's something I got to get. Listen. I love it. 2:15:18.240 --> 2:15:22.520 And when I moved up to Harlem in the early 2:15:22.600 --> 2:15:25.920 two thousands, I got really tight with Eddie and he 2:15:25.960 --> 2:15:28.920 would tell me how they got down and the way 2:15:29.000 --> 2:15:32.400 Branson numerous times they would he would have cookouts and 2:15:32.520 --> 2:15:36.800 he would buy food, the real classic Harlem stuff that 2:15:37.000 --> 2:15:38.480 went down that you hear about. 2:15:38.600 --> 2:15:40.040 You know Branson did that. 2:15:40.200 --> 2:15:43.480 He cut He's cut from that cloth of those cats 2:15:43.560 --> 2:15:47.520 from that seventies era. He didn't go that direction, obviously, 2:15:47.960 --> 2:15:51.080 but he treated people like that. He was super tight 2:15:51.560 --> 2:15:54.280 with another Harlem legend. Rest in peace, my man Vaughn. 2:15:54.400 --> 2:15:58.120 Zip Zip had one hundred and eighteenth Street the same 2:15:58.240 --> 2:16:00.040 way they took care a whole bit. 2:16:00.160 --> 2:16:02.879 Zips club zip cod. 2:16:02.960 --> 2:16:04.320 Yes, zip Code came later. 2:16:04.480 --> 2:16:07.480 Yes, indeed, he got an incredible fly club in Harlem. 2:16:07.920 --> 2:16:10.680 He managed Mike Tyson for a minute, along with my 2:16:10.920 --> 2:16:15.680 dear friend Jimmy Rosemand you know aka Jimmy Ah. 2:16:16.160 --> 2:16:17.680 Yeah, you know that's my man. 2:16:17.760 --> 2:16:22.360 But So Branson had that classic Harlem get down that 2:16:22.600 --> 2:16:26.200 really unfortunately, you know, nothing lasts forever. But that's a 2:16:26.280 --> 2:16:28.840 big I think a big part of the reason why 2:16:28.920 --> 2:16:31.040 he had Why the block shows you just was the 2:16:31.120 --> 2:16:32.800 way that went down is just unbelievable. 2:16:32.800 --> 2:16:35.000 But just think about it. If I'm telling you, listen, listen, 2:16:35.120 --> 2:16:36.119 I'm smacking. 2:16:37.280 --> 2:16:38.040 Drunk out of it. 2:16:38.440 --> 2:16:42.320 But I still I knew enough to say, I know 2:16:42.480 --> 2:16:45.040 where's safe. Act I'm already in Harlem one hundred and 2:16:45.080 --> 2:16:48.240 twenty four and I believe correct me if I'm wrong. 2:16:48.240 --> 2:16:49.879 I believe Branston was one hundred and fifty. 2:16:50.080 --> 2:16:54.720 Yeah, it was Satan one Fitch spot is right down 2:16:54.760 --> 2:16:55.440 the block, right. 2:16:55.680 --> 2:16:59.000 That's how I get the Branson fish sandwich. 2:16:59.440 --> 2:17:02.199 And then I go, yes, yeah, yeah. 2:17:02.160 --> 2:17:04.160 Yeah, yeah, what's that famous fish. 2:17:04.800 --> 2:17:09.440 It's famous fifth yes, and Saint Nick. 2:17:09.879 --> 2:17:11.320 It's the best fish in the world. 2:17:11.360 --> 2:17:11.920 Get the fries. 2:17:12.040 --> 2:17:17.480 That's the only thing. Yeah, Miami, I need to understand 2:17:17.560 --> 2:17:18.560 where fish like that? 2:17:19.280 --> 2:17:21.840 Yes, I need that's the Southern thing. 2:17:21.959 --> 2:17:27.080 So it's mostly fried pogis and whities, this is what's typical. 2:17:27.080 --> 2:17:27.720 In New York. 2:17:28.000 --> 2:17:30.160 And then some fries, you know what I mean, a 2:17:30.240 --> 2:17:30.800 few other. 2:17:30.720 --> 2:17:34.920 Size but it's mainly like fried whitings and fried pogies. Yes, yes, 2:17:35.000 --> 2:17:37.360 it's typical what you're getting most fishing. They might have 2:17:37.440 --> 2:17:38.440 a red snapper here and there. 2:17:39.200 --> 2:17:42.880 What is it what I got? I have one spot 2:17:42.959 --> 2:17:47.320 that I love here. It's in the hood snap snappers. 2:17:50.640 --> 2:17:57.320 That's what I think, my New York niggas. Listen, lit, 2:17:57.360 --> 2:18:00.240 I got New York fish out here, and like we're now, 2:18:00.680 --> 2:18:02.280 I me just like it. 2:18:03.959 --> 2:18:06.240 I'm sorry for jumping like it was just an anxiety moment. 2:18:06.320 --> 2:18:12.760 So so Branson, because he's exactly how you described classic hustling. 2:18:12.840 --> 2:18:15.320 I'm not trying to be telling everything. I'm not trying 2:18:15.360 --> 2:18:17.600 to that's so much a weird part of the culture 2:18:17.640 --> 2:18:22.039 now casts is ready to tell everything. Branson is cut 2:18:22.120 --> 2:18:25.400 from that classic cloth of you don't talk nobody talking, 2:18:25.959 --> 2:18:30.880 classic real, classic hustling street shit. And so that's I 2:18:30.959 --> 2:18:33.000 think a part of why he was like I had 2:18:33.040 --> 2:18:35.400 said all this up because I also told Branson, look, man, 2:18:36.280 --> 2:18:38.600 I had no idea I would get into the cannabis business. 2:18:38.959 --> 2:18:41.800 But just really that is a part of how this happened, 2:18:42.040 --> 2:18:44.959 because I said, man, listen, I'm going to meet these people. Brandson, 2:18:45.040 --> 2:18:48.040 you basically created a brand without realizing you created a 2:18:48.120 --> 2:18:51.320 brand because over sixty rappers, including Biggie, which I use 2:18:51.400 --> 2:18:54.360 in my film and mentioned a bunch of others rapped 2:18:54.360 --> 2:18:57.640 about Yo, I got a jar from Branson. I'm uptown 2:18:57.760 --> 2:18:58.360 with that brand. 2:18:58.640 --> 2:19:01.480 People in one second, because let me just say something. 2:19:02.400 --> 2:19:05.720 When you say jaw jar is different, because something you 2:19:05.800 --> 2:19:10.440 broke down in your documentary is his twenties was in triangle, correct, 2:19:10.760 --> 2:19:13.160 and his fifties was in brown bags. 2:19:13.640 --> 2:19:15.920 Okay, but no he I think he might have had 2:19:15.959 --> 2:19:18.920 two sizes of triangles because I remember sometimes it's like 2:19:18.959 --> 2:19:19.800 a twenties no, no. 2:19:19.879 --> 2:19:22.440 Because sometimes I had tosstic and sometimes he had the green. 2:19:22.920 --> 2:19:29.040 Somebody he said he had the brown. Okay, I love you. 2:19:29.760 --> 2:19:35.200 I might have been likened to bring twenty t isssue there, 2:19:35.480 --> 2:19:37.920 like because I'm going to take a ship and it's 2:19:37.959 --> 2:19:42.720 going down that serious. I'm dead serious. Yeah, I loved 2:19:42.760 --> 2:19:46.280 it so much. That's so they had to hit a 2:19:46.360 --> 2:19:49.800 tosstick in the twenties. Then he had any the green 2:19:49.959 --> 2:19:52.279 in the twenties as well, but then the brown bags 2:19:52.280 --> 2:19:54.360 of the fifties, and then if you had a jaw 2:19:54.640 --> 2:19:56.880 that was like was one fifty or more? 2:19:57.160 --> 2:19:59.360 Yeah, if it's about it was. That was a jaw 2:19:59.360 --> 2:20:01.280 a quarter or like a half ounce. 2:20:01.320 --> 2:20:02.840 It was. I ain't gonna lie to you. I don't know. 2:20:03.120 --> 2:20:04.600 It was between the two and one of them. 2:20:04.879 --> 2:20:08.199 Yeah, that was when you was a baller, like exactly. 2:20:08.240 --> 2:20:13.600 That's what they called the rapper, which is the way 2:20:13.640 --> 2:20:14.960 you would hear it referenced you. 2:20:15.160 --> 2:20:17.680 You had some paper and you knew you he was. 2:20:17.840 --> 2:20:22.960 He had the most consistent, high quality cannabis that you 2:20:23.040 --> 2:20:23.440 can get. 2:20:23.720 --> 2:20:26.200 It was really like a dispensary. 2:20:29.320 --> 2:20:31.560 I'm gonna get. I'll never tell this story. I gotta 2:20:31.600 --> 2:20:40.200 tell the story. Capone gets locked up poems like Juli 2:20:41.240 --> 2:20:45.560 Kbone was like, yo, you know, I need some bud 2:20:45.720 --> 2:20:49.440 you know what I mean? Like them, But he's like, nah, 2:20:50.080 --> 2:20:53.840 I want that. I want that band. Was like I 2:20:55.680 --> 2:21:01.760 I go up down about everything that I need. Then 2:21:01.800 --> 2:21:09.360 I buy everything. Component I don't know. I don't know 2:21:09.560 --> 2:21:14.080 to wrap ship up for jail niggas. What the fuck? Okay, okay, okay, 2:21:14.360 --> 2:21:16.199 I don't know how to do this ship. He tells 2:21:16.280 --> 2:21:19.440 me to go meet the girl, Meet the girl, give 2:21:19.480 --> 2:21:25.560 it a bar. I don't wrap the ship. Hit me 2:21:25.720 --> 2:21:28.320 like man, that ship ripped his ship up. Oh ship 2:21:29.240 --> 2:21:32.720 the triangles. I got good. God, okay, I got like 2:21:32.840 --> 2:21:36.880 ten of them. She had to stop the ship. Whoa, whoa, 2:21:37.040 --> 2:21:39.879 whoa whoa. He's like, Yo, why you ain't wrapping up? 2:21:39.920 --> 2:21:42.959 I'm like, what the fuck nigga like to buy? 2:21:44.560 --> 2:21:46.160 He didn't know where it was actually going to go. 2:21:46.280 --> 2:21:49.959 I'm sure to that is that my problem? Like I'm 2:21:50.000 --> 2:21:52.920 paying for it. I'm wow, wow. And but when I 2:21:53.040 --> 2:21:56.480 tell you, when I tell you, Jesus, every that whole 2:21:56.560 --> 2:22:01.240 week was like he was the man, like he had 2:22:01.280 --> 2:22:07.080 the whole jail brands. Yes, yes, this this out. It's 2:22:07.120 --> 2:22:11.600 allegedly anyway, No, it's not allegedly. Was his name? 2:22:11.680 --> 2:22:12.800 He assistently had that. 2:22:15.120 --> 2:22:21.000 Had I had a person like fab a person like me, 2:22:21.440 --> 2:22:25.240 person like us, have we knew that you could legalize 2:22:25.280 --> 2:22:29.600 this shit eventually? Yeah, Like this guy was the first 2:22:29.720 --> 2:22:33.640 of everything. Branston Like, I'm just being honest, like like 2:22:34.320 --> 2:22:39.680 he's my friend, I love him. I don't want to 2:22:39.680 --> 2:22:43.160 say that he doesn't want this props. I just I 2:22:43.280 --> 2:22:45.080 want to say what you said. He's from that old 2:22:45.120 --> 2:22:47.840 school where it's like you don't claim this ship, but 2:22:48.000 --> 2:22:50.640 I gotta claim this. I gotta be cocky for him. Bro, 2:22:51.200 --> 2:22:53.680 this is the first time, like I would be stressed out. 2:22:53.720 --> 2:22:56.040 This is like therapy for me going to Branston. Like 2:22:56.160 --> 2:22:58.800 I would go there and I would just chill, I 2:22:58.920 --> 2:23:01.840 mean by myself, like a queen's dude chilling in the Harlem. 2:23:02.480 --> 2:23:06.680 What a fucking six hundred bins parked outside, sitting there, rolling, 2:23:06.879 --> 2:23:09.720 arguing with Eddie, arguing with it. Because I argue with 2:23:09.879 --> 2:23:13.880 Eddie like yeah, man, shut up, man. He's like, man, 2:23:13.920 --> 2:23:17.080 your queen's niggas come over here, get your car wash. 2:23:17.520 --> 2:23:19.600 I'll get my car was I'm sitting there. It was 2:23:19.680 --> 2:23:23.440 a great experience. Bro. There has been nothing like that. 2:23:23.640 --> 2:23:27.040 And and God blessed me Branston, because I know he 2:23:27.120 --> 2:23:29.400 probably gonna watch this and be like, damn you, you 2:23:29.480 --> 2:23:34.480 went too far. But they have Every dispensary in California 2:23:34.560 --> 2:23:41.960 has been yeah, yeah, and what you presented like they 2:23:42.080 --> 2:23:44.240 come and you get chilled. You can roll up, you 2:23:44.320 --> 2:23:47.520 can buy some candy, and you can sit outside and chill. 2:23:50.000 --> 2:23:53.120 He's a real pioneer. So I'm sorry, Branston. I'm sorry, 2:23:53.160 --> 2:23:55.760 but I had to give your flowers because I heard 2:23:56.320 --> 2:23:59.600 I said this story. He responded, but he responded in 2:23:59.680 --> 2:24:02.320 the so much of a humble way, and I was like, nah, bro, 2:24:02.640 --> 2:24:05.160 the reason why I parked there because I knew you 2:24:05.240 --> 2:24:07.320 the respect that they have for you, and I knew 2:24:07.360 --> 2:24:09.360 the respect that they had that I always come in 2:24:09.400 --> 2:24:11.840 there to see you so real right there, and I 2:24:11.920 --> 2:24:15.960 got to give a branch in the spot. So you 2:24:16.400 --> 2:24:19.200 not only got branding to speak, but a person who 2:24:19.320 --> 2:24:23.160 managed me and if in both its bigs, yes, yes, yes, 2:24:23.360 --> 2:24:26.920 and you got bigs to speak. I was blown away 2:24:27.160 --> 2:24:29.360 to sitting back. It was like because and you got 2:24:29.400 --> 2:24:32.119 Bigginess speak about cannabis. And not only that, Biggs got 2:24:32.160 --> 2:24:33.280 convicted of cannabis. 2:24:33.400 --> 2:24:35.360 Well he sort of referenced that I didn't want to 2:24:35.400 --> 2:24:38.480 go expend expend too much on that, but I'm gonna 2:24:38.480 --> 2:24:41.280 say that that was part of the dynamic in terms 2:24:41.360 --> 2:24:45.320 of the injustices that too many people have had to 2:24:45.400 --> 2:24:48.560 go through for this plant, which is basically a harmulous 2:24:48.879 --> 2:24:52.560 medicinal plant that has been going back to the nineteen 2:24:52.640 --> 2:24:55.840 thirties that I illustrate, they just whipped it into a frenzy. 2:24:55.920 --> 2:25:02.760 They lied, They created this cannabis conspiracy film like reaf 2:25:02.800 --> 2:25:07.480 for Madness, and they people to the core and got 2:25:07.840 --> 2:25:11.080 cannabis criminalized and then targeted people. 2:25:11.320 --> 2:25:13.600 So Biggs was one of the victims of that. 2:25:14.480 --> 2:25:16.400 Wasn't it a guy who killed his whole family or 2:25:16.440 --> 2:25:18.600 something like that, and they said it was before we 2:25:19.080 --> 2:25:20.080 and he was a stohistic. 2:25:20.200 --> 2:25:22.480 Yeah, but thank you. The guy was a schizophrenic. 2:25:22.800 --> 2:25:24.840 But they whipped it and made it seem like this 2:25:25.040 --> 2:25:27.480 was a cannabis So that was a part of the 2:25:27.879 --> 2:25:31.280 of the lies that they used to whip and get 2:25:31.600 --> 2:25:36.440 congressmen to like criminalize cannabis in nineteen thirty seven. And 2:25:37.160 --> 2:25:40.800 which was always the guy's name was yeah, but the 2:25:40.879 --> 2:25:43.280 guy's name, but it was only because people of color 2:25:44.240 --> 2:25:46.840 were using it and as well as Spanish ber they 2:25:46.920 --> 2:25:49.000 even gave it the name. That's why people in the 2:25:49.080 --> 2:25:52.800 cannabis business never used serious. People that get this don't 2:25:52.920 --> 2:25:55.320 use the term marijuana because. 2:25:55.040 --> 2:25:55.960 That was invented. 2:25:56.800 --> 2:25:59.920 It was invented by the people that went that went 2:26:00.080 --> 2:26:03.199 to criminalize cannabis to make it sound Mexican. That word 2:26:03.240 --> 2:26:07.400 did not exist for the plant in Mexican society, so 2:26:07.520 --> 2:26:10.920 they got marijuana like Tijuana. 2:26:10.760 --> 2:26:12.520 You know, just checking my film. 2:26:12.680 --> 2:26:14.240 So there's real serious. 2:26:14.000 --> 2:26:18.000 Racism when you dig in to how they targeted certain 2:26:18.080 --> 2:26:22.440 people and we were victimized largely for that and. 2:26:22.520 --> 2:26:33.760 The people around the guana yeah go ahead, Yeah. 2:26:33.800 --> 2:26:36.000 That became a nickname for it. So those are all 2:26:36.080 --> 2:26:38.480 things that they used to get cannabis criminalized. 2:26:38.920 --> 2:26:40.080 But cannabis is. 2:26:40.160 --> 2:26:43.560 Largely medicine, and that's the thing that we now know 2:26:43.800 --> 2:26:44.160 more of. 2:26:44.920 --> 2:26:49.240 When you get especially good cannabis, there's medicinal value. And 2:26:49.720 --> 2:26:52.760 once scientists really looked at the plant and studied it 2:26:52.879 --> 2:26:57.640 and understood there's these various cannabinoids different components, began to 2:26:57.800 --> 2:27:03.480 isolate the and be like, oh, this really heals pain. 2:27:03.600 --> 2:27:08.360 It takes the inflesh in inflammation away. And it's the 2:27:08.520 --> 2:27:12.920 medical usage of the plant that have broken down all 2:27:13.000 --> 2:27:18.200 these lives and states like California, Colorado, which were out 2:27:18.280 --> 2:27:22.200 front in terms of going medical first. Then all the 2:27:22.320 --> 2:27:24.840 lies that it's going to just the gateway drug blom 2:27:24.959 --> 2:27:28.200 book come on. What has created Taking people to a 2:27:28.840 --> 2:27:35.480 opioid crisis was legally pushed, you know, the oxycodone and 2:27:35.959 --> 2:27:40.440 the whole opioid thing. Cannabis has helped so many people 2:27:41.040 --> 2:27:44.520 and that's what changed a lot of the negative perception. 2:27:45.080 --> 2:27:46.760 It's usually medical first. 2:27:46.840 --> 2:27:49.440 A couple of years and then people got look, it's 2:27:49.520 --> 2:27:51.680 helped me with this it's helped me admit that it 2:27:51.800 --> 2:27:53.880 helps people with pain issues. So a lot of these 2:27:53.920 --> 2:27:56.800 things are in the process, and you know, I happen 2:27:56.840 --> 2:27:59.800 to make a film talking about this, showing this his 2:28:00.040 --> 2:28:03.160 to read the music connection from the jazz people to 2:28:03.200 --> 2:28:03.959 the hip hop people. 2:28:04.080 --> 2:28:05.200 Snoop gave it up for me. 2:28:05.720 --> 2:28:09.280 I got my man, you know, uh be real, be 2:28:09.400 --> 2:28:12.360 real from Cyprus and and then really speaking about the plant. 2:28:12.400 --> 2:28:15.960 That's the only part I like, be real to the 2:28:16.360 --> 2:28:21.119 the the Mount Rushmore and he was like him, Snoop, 2:28:21.720 --> 2:28:26.560 mav Well, that was yeah, that was like your I'm 2:28:27.120 --> 2:28:35.080 my invisible I'm with I was like, damn, nigga, I've 2:28:35.080 --> 2:28:38.840 been here for years. That's what you know. You clearly 2:28:42.480 --> 2:28:44.359 but segue into into your product. 2:28:44.560 --> 2:28:48.480 So basically once again loving cannabis growing up my dad, 2:28:48.840 --> 2:28:53.560 all those jazz guys with bigger fictionados. It's actually my 2:28:53.760 --> 2:28:57.280 business partner, Ron Samuel where I. 2:28:59.040 --> 2:29:01.160 He was. He's from Cali. He's a brother that was 2:29:01.200 --> 2:29:01.920 in the game. 2:29:03.200 --> 2:29:06.279 In cannabis, seriously moving packs around. 2:29:06.680 --> 2:29:09.360 You know, he was in the game, hustling doing this thing. 2:29:09.800 --> 2:29:11.000 But he sorted. 2:29:12.160 --> 2:29:14.600 The legal business opening up and he wanted to dive in. 2:29:15.360 --> 2:29:17.879 But being that had he had, he had got caught 2:29:17.959 --> 2:29:20.840 up in the system, had you know, spent a little time. 2:29:21.280 --> 2:29:22.840 They forbid, which. 2:29:22.640 --> 2:29:25.000 Are the people that really pioneered it, They forbid you 2:29:25.120 --> 2:29:26.920 in a lot of these states to be able to 2:29:27.000 --> 2:29:28.640 get into too the business. 2:29:28.840 --> 2:29:30.959 So he was fussing to have a background. 2:29:30.720 --> 2:29:33.280 Correct and you've been convicted and you know, felling me 2:29:33.360 --> 2:29:36.200 whatever it may be, so boom. His whole thing was 2:29:37.040 --> 2:29:39.320 I want to be a part of this. And he 2:29:39.480 --> 2:29:41.880 was going to the conventions thinking, you know, this is 2:29:41.959 --> 2:29:45.040 going back ten or so years as it became a 2:29:45.160 --> 2:29:48.000 medical thing and a big business in California. How could 2:29:48.000 --> 2:29:49.360 I be a part of this because I know this, 2:29:49.480 --> 2:29:53.560 I've done this. And we had a conversation one day. 2:29:53.680 --> 2:29:57.240 This is back like I think about twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen. 2:29:57.280 --> 2:29:58.400 He said, Yo, I figured it out. 2:29:58.879 --> 2:30:01.520 I'm going to start a consulting to see company and 2:30:01.920 --> 2:30:04.480 I'm going to call it forty acres and a greenhouse. 2:30:05.360 --> 2:30:07.280 And so the idea was to play off for like 2:30:07.400 --> 2:30:11.080 the forty acres, which really didn't get I was given 2:30:11.160 --> 2:30:12.480 and taken away and. 2:30:12.760 --> 2:30:14.879 That was a that was the idea. 2:30:15.000 --> 2:30:18.040 That and to get into the game and you be 2:30:18.160 --> 2:30:20.600 a be a consultant because all these all these business 2:30:20.640 --> 2:30:23.000 guys are getting in that really don't know cannabis. He's 2:30:23.000 --> 2:30:25.400 the cat that did it all up and down Cali 2:30:25.560 --> 2:30:31.279 Humbo grows, you know, moving packs of serious, high quality cannabis. 2:30:31.480 --> 2:30:33.840 And so when he said that, we I just cracked 2:30:33.920 --> 2:30:35.720 up and I was like, oh, what a great idea, 2:30:36.160 --> 2:30:38.880 what a great name for the for the company. 2:30:39.640 --> 2:30:42.520 And this this is my business part in the cannabis. 2:30:42.680 --> 2:30:45.600 Brother name Ron Samuel, who's been in the game a 2:30:45.640 --> 2:30:47.480 long time, he wanted to He said, I'm gonna start 2:30:47.480 --> 2:30:49.920 a consultancy company called it forty acres in a greenhouse. 2:30:50.480 --> 2:30:52.720 And I said, that's great. And in the conversation we 2:30:53.120 --> 2:30:55.000 cracking up and talking, I'm like, but wait a minute. 2:30:55.200 --> 2:30:56.440 You know, black folks made. 2:30:56.920 --> 2:31:00.959 Jazz records and bigged up the plant back then. Then 2:31:02.000 --> 2:31:04.920 reggae artists did the same thing, Peter Tosh saying about 2:31:04.959 --> 2:31:07.640 legalized it over forty plus years ago. And then in 2:31:08.040 --> 2:31:11.480 my artists that I introduced to the country Snoop, you 2:31:11.600 --> 2:31:15.480 know Redman method Man. All these cats were the modern 2:31:15.560 --> 2:31:19.680 day proponents making big hit records about the plant. What 2:31:19.840 --> 2:31:23.040 a great way to do a documentary. And that was 2:31:23.120 --> 2:31:25.360 when it was like, Man, I have music, I'll be 2:31:25.400 --> 2:31:27.480 able to show, like get the hip hop people to talk, 2:31:27.840 --> 2:31:31.080 I'll get the historical footage of the jazz people doing it. 2:31:31.400 --> 2:31:32.680 But then I knew I was going to have to 2:31:32.720 --> 2:31:35.560 focus on the criminal justice side of all the people 2:31:35.640 --> 2:31:38.680 that have gone to prison and lives have been upside down. 2:31:38.800 --> 2:31:40.240 And that's how you discovered be Noble. 2:31:40.680 --> 2:31:43.920 Well, how I discovered how b Noble came to be. 2:31:44.520 --> 2:31:47.760 The story that I chose to focus on to illustrate 2:31:48.240 --> 2:31:51.400 just the unfair, just harshness. 2:31:50.959 --> 2:31:52.320 Of this criminal justice system. 2:31:52.800 --> 2:31:55.959 Was a brother from Louisiana that was given a thirteen 2:31:56.040 --> 2:32:00.360 year sentence for two joints worth of cannabis. He was 2:32:00.400 --> 2:32:03.360 in just seven. His name was Bernard Noble. So all 2:32:03.440 --> 2:32:07.360 people that were fighting two joints of cannabis crazy, A 2:32:07.400 --> 2:32:10.400 couple of grams, a couple of grahams of cannabis in 2:32:10.440 --> 2:32:12.000 his pocket, this is what it came out to. So 2:32:12.240 --> 2:32:15.080 basically enough to roll two joints, we break it down 2:32:15.120 --> 2:32:16.200 to two joints, but it was. 2:32:16.200 --> 2:32:17.040 Just a little bit of week. 2:32:17.440 --> 2:32:21.080 You maybe could have rolled like one blood, but basically 2:32:22.240 --> 2:32:24.440 some shit like that, right, two point whatever grams and 2:32:24.560 --> 2:32:27.360 this is just illustrates how a lot of the prison 2:32:27.440 --> 2:32:30.720 system still works. Unfortunately in certain states they're looking to 2:32:30.800 --> 2:32:32.720 put people in prison just to make money off that 2:32:32.840 --> 2:32:34.279 prison industrial complex. 2:32:34.360 --> 2:32:37.760 All you know, all that nonsense that state that this 2:32:38.040 --> 2:32:40.680 guy's for a joint. Thank you, thank you, thank you. 2:32:40.879 --> 2:32:44.880 Listen when Bernard Noble, which is the brother's name, we 2:32:45.040 --> 2:32:47.800 interview his family because I'm covering the jazz scene in 2:32:47.920 --> 2:32:50.600 my film, and Louis Armstrong, who's a big part of 2:32:50.640 --> 2:32:53.760 my film, as you've seen, is from Louisiana. That's where 2:32:53.800 --> 2:32:56.640 jazz is boring, so we covering that. But then we 2:32:56.840 --> 2:32:59.800 interview his family, his mom and sisters. They break down, 2:33:00.160 --> 2:33:02.879 really a sad moment. He's still in prison. 2:33:03.040 --> 2:33:06.320 And those are the ones that you were there. That's 2:33:06.360 --> 2:33:08.800 his family. I'm in the it's all three girls. 2:33:09.320 --> 2:33:12.840 Yeah, it's the mother and his three sisters, I believe 2:33:12.840 --> 2:33:16.040 two or three sisters. Really sad moment that illustrates what 2:33:16.200 --> 2:33:18.920 this has done to families. Over two joints for the week, 2:33:19.200 --> 2:33:22.119 his case had become celebrated and a lot of people 2:33:22.160 --> 2:33:25.520 were campaigning illustrated. In fact, Weis had did a show 2:33:25.640 --> 2:33:28.640 called Weedkett and that's how I had first seen this 2:33:28.840 --> 2:33:31.920 episode this his story. A couple of years before, they 2:33:32.000 --> 2:33:34.280 had a show called Weedicket on Vice TV. 2:33:34.800 --> 2:33:35.360 I didn't see that. 2:33:35.400 --> 2:33:41.080 It's like an Indian guy that hosted different topics around cannabis. 2:33:41.280 --> 2:33:41.640 What was it? 2:33:41.800 --> 2:33:45.199 What was it about this particular episode of this show 2:33:45.240 --> 2:33:48.480 which would do all different types of cannabis coverage, did 2:33:48.520 --> 2:33:51.640 a show on this brother that was in prison. I 2:33:51.720 --> 2:33:55.120 remember them talking to his kids and maybe having you 2:33:55.240 --> 2:33:57.280 maybe heard him on the phone. He might have called in. 2:33:57.600 --> 2:34:00.440 But when you hear how much we and how much 2:34:00.480 --> 2:34:02.280 time he got, it was just unbelievable. So I was like, 2:34:02.360 --> 2:34:04.280 that's the story I'm going to focus on in the film. 2:34:04.800 --> 2:34:08.040 But after I interviewed the family, about a week later, 2:34:08.280 --> 2:34:10.800 I got a call that he had because the people 2:34:10.840 --> 2:34:15.280 were campaigning on his behalf, that he finally got a 2:34:15.560 --> 2:34:18.840 parole and he'd be coming home in a couple of weeks. 2:34:19.080 --> 2:34:21.600 So we fly back to Louisiana to capture that moment, 2:34:22.320 --> 2:34:23.080 and when he. 2:34:23.160 --> 2:34:26.200 Comes out, he says, man, I didn't know what was 2:34:26.280 --> 2:34:26.640 going on. 2:34:26.879 --> 2:34:33.120 There's people in there for less weed Like, he's just 2:34:33.200 --> 2:34:33.840 blowing my mind. 2:34:33.879 --> 2:34:36.240 I mean, I interviewed the former prosecutors that said I 2:34:36.240 --> 2:34:39.520 couldn't do that anymore looking at how unjust there's certain 2:34:39.600 --> 2:34:42.560 towns in some of these states the money is made 2:34:42.720 --> 2:34:44.960 from this local prison which they got to keep full. 2:34:45.480 --> 2:34:48.959 And this goes back to a film made a Duvene 2:34:49.080 --> 2:34:52.280 made a documentary also on Netflix called The Thirteenth, which 2:34:52.360 --> 2:34:54.920 is about the Thirteenth Amendment, which was supposedly the ending 2:34:54.959 --> 2:34:57.520 of slavery, but it shows how the prison system still 2:34:57.920 --> 2:34:59.959 manages to enslave people and has. 2:35:00.120 --> 2:35:01.240 Working for slave wages. 2:35:01.760 --> 2:35:04.800 And it was like this business, this big business unfortunately, 2:35:05.040 --> 2:35:08.640 like publicly traded private prisons, you know, you know what. 2:35:09.240 --> 2:35:11.039 So that motivated me to do a. 2:35:11.120 --> 2:35:13.840 Brand in the brother's name and we work with him, 2:35:15.320 --> 2:35:17.960 and we made a connection with this company, Curely, which 2:35:18.520 --> 2:35:20.000 is really big cannabis company. 2:35:20.600 --> 2:35:23.680 And so we've we've been in the numerous states the. 2:35:23.840 --> 2:35:26.400 Non states already, right correct, Yeah, we've been. 2:35:26.360 --> 2:35:26.840 Up to nine. 2:35:27.280 --> 2:35:29.360 And this was our initial product, which is a two 2:35:29.520 --> 2:35:33.280 joint pre roll which reflexed read he got popped for 2:35:34.000 --> 2:35:35.280 little stuff you mentioned that. 2:35:36.440 --> 2:35:38.920 Yeah, this is I'm sorry, I get you so this 2:35:39.000 --> 2:35:42.200 is yeah, I'm taking that. 2:35:42.440 --> 2:35:46.440 No, No, like we got you, we got you covered 2:35:46.560 --> 2:35:50.040 and I got you know yeah, no, we got you covered. 2:35:50.080 --> 2:35:53.480 And the flower is really incredible, like from really high 2:35:53.560 --> 2:35:56.920 quality flower that the company has been making sure as 2:35:57.000 --> 2:35:59.960 a premier brand with a compelling story. I mean, come on, 2:36:00.160 --> 2:36:03.000 Cannabis is big business, but a lot of brands is 2:36:03.080 --> 2:36:06.320 just like colorful packaging. And my weed's better than yours. 2:36:07.120 --> 2:36:11.520 Our weed is killer incredible. Plus we're doing something giving 2:36:11.600 --> 2:36:15.920 back and raising awareness about these issues which people are 2:36:16.000 --> 2:36:19.440 still in prison. Like it's while cannabis is a multi 2:36:19.480 --> 2:36:22.680 billion dollar growing business, there's still states where people are 2:36:22.760 --> 2:36:27.920 still in prison like Bernard could technically still be in jail. 2:36:28.000 --> 2:36:31.600 Now. You know, you only just seven. So we're going 2:36:31.680 --> 2:36:33.960 to finish quick time with Slim. Yeah. 2:36:34.320 --> 2:36:36.240 And by the way, we started another new brand called 2:36:36.320 --> 2:36:38.080 Jungle Girl, which is only in New York but just 2:36:38.160 --> 2:36:43.080 a female focus cannabis product. Here as sister named Natalie 2:36:43.120 --> 2:36:45.600 from Calli who has a fashion brand called j. 2:36:47.160 --> 2:36:49.760 Oh No No No. Anybody can smoke it. But what 2:36:50.320 --> 2:36:51.640 we learned in the in the. 2:36:51.680 --> 2:36:54.760 Cannabis scene, particularly people people a lot of people that are. 2:36:54.720 --> 2:36:59.959 New don't get bathroom breaks. I love our casual Its. 2:37:02.200 --> 2:37:04.760 What we learned in the business since we've been doing 2:37:04.840 --> 2:37:08.039 this now for like a few years now, a lot 2:37:08.120 --> 2:37:11.920 of women are now getting comfortable. People, a new audience 2:37:12.000 --> 2:37:14.400 is getting comfortable with cannabis, and a lot of the 2:37:14.520 --> 2:37:17.160 chicks can't roll because if you think about it, it 2:37:17.280 --> 2:37:19.039 takes some time to learn how to prepare and. 2:37:19.040 --> 2:37:19.840 Put a joint together. 2:37:20.280 --> 2:37:24.840 So pre rolls, particularly for women, are very easy access. 2:37:25.200 --> 2:37:26.800 And that's a pack of pre rolls. 2:37:27.200 --> 2:37:30.080 Yeah, there's a five pack of little kind of nice, medium, 2:37:30.160 --> 2:37:34.440 small joints. And we have various like vibrant, you know, 2:37:35.920 --> 2:37:38.800 euphoric and different kind of things. So we're not trying 2:37:38.840 --> 2:37:41.199 to get into all the wild names. 2:37:40.920 --> 2:37:42.440 Of various strains. 2:37:42.840 --> 2:37:45.000 People want to feel a certain way without making it 2:37:45.120 --> 2:37:48.400 too complicated. So this has taken off really well in 2:37:48.560 --> 2:37:50.800 New York. Were in a bunch of dispensaries with Jungle 2:37:50.879 --> 2:37:54.560 Girl and the b Noble brand. You know, we're expanding 2:37:54.720 --> 2:37:59.440 and it's just really been an incredible run, you know, 2:37:59.560 --> 2:38:02.840 helping it inform people about these aspects of cannabis. Like 2:38:03.000 --> 2:38:05.080 just to keep in mind that a lot of people 2:38:05.160 --> 2:38:08.960 have suffered as a lot of states legalized. You're supposed 2:38:08.959 --> 2:38:11.520 to be able to expunge your criminal record and stuff. 2:38:11.600 --> 2:38:14.160 I mean even when I made Grascus Greener, I didn't 2:38:14.200 --> 2:38:16.920 realize that people could get kicked out of public housing. 2:38:17.520 --> 2:38:20.360 A lot of stuff was still in cannabis in New 2:38:20.480 --> 2:38:23.320 York up until we went a completely adult use and 2:38:23.959 --> 2:38:25.800 I get heavy on that in my film. 2:38:25.840 --> 2:38:29.080 I didn't realize what the cannabis laws actually were like. 2:38:29.280 --> 2:38:31.040 So a lot of and some of the companies that 2:38:31.080 --> 2:38:33.080 are benefiting off of it being legal, or these huge 2:38:33.120 --> 2:38:34.879 corporations Larborough. 2:38:35.320 --> 2:38:36.520 No, not yet. 2:38:36.760 --> 2:38:39.400 Well, the company that we did this licensing deal with, 2:38:39.640 --> 2:38:41.440 Currely did literally big. 2:38:41.640 --> 2:38:43.200 They're very big there in many states. 2:38:43.240 --> 2:38:47.760 They started medically, hence the name Cure Leaf Curing, but 2:38:47.920 --> 2:38:50.240 they really wanted to step up and represent a brand 2:38:50.280 --> 2:38:53.480 that was speaking to this issue because when you understand cannabis, 2:38:53.800 --> 2:38:56.680 a lot of people's lives have been jammed up. You 2:38:56.760 --> 2:38:59.040 know a lot of people that who we know, like 2:38:59.080 --> 2:39:00.879 when I go to just Spend Series in New York, 2:39:01.200 --> 2:39:04.280 which has one of the most like progressive cannabis like 2:39:05.440 --> 2:39:10.039 rules or regulations and stuff like that, and the OCM, 2:39:10.240 --> 2:39:12.640 the Office of Cannabis Management, A lot of people that 2:39:12.800 --> 2:39:15.800 got first on the list for dispensaries had did time 2:39:15.879 --> 2:39:16.600 that got caught up. 2:39:16.600 --> 2:39:17.640 It was seriously. 2:39:18.760 --> 2:39:20.959 Oh yeah, mostly you know, I mean it's. 2:39:20.840 --> 2:39:23.520 White folks as well, but mostly they was pressuring us, 2:39:23.959 --> 2:39:26.320 whereas in the white neighborhoods kids were smoking just as 2:39:26.400 --> 2:39:29.360 much we Popo wasn't doing stopping first and running down 2:39:29.400 --> 2:39:31.520 on them in the same way. So the hint as 2:39:31.560 --> 2:39:33.720 a hint you have so many people getting jammed up. 2:39:35.520 --> 2:39:41.080 They really structured the legislation, particularly this state representative, Crystal 2:39:41.160 --> 2:39:42.400 People Stokes out of Buffalo. 2:39:42.760 --> 2:39:45.959 She fought hard for the legislation that we have and. 2:39:46.440 --> 2:39:49.480 Whereas if Governor Cromo tried to chop up pieces of 2:39:49.560 --> 2:39:51.560 the bill, she was like, no, we got to have 2:39:51.680 --> 2:39:54.080 it like this, and then finally he signed it. 2:39:54.680 --> 2:39:56.080 So that's how people get on like that. 2:39:56.480 --> 2:39:59.200 Other states have talked about helping people, but it never 2:39:59.320 --> 2:40:02.840 really came to fruition, you know what I mean that 2:40:02.959 --> 2:40:05.680 they helped as many people as they said they wanted to. 2:40:06.360 --> 2:40:08.280 But New York there's a lot of people that you know, 2:40:08.760 --> 2:40:14.160 have dispensaries now giving it a go, and player they. 2:40:18.480 --> 2:40:26.240 Be noble baby fat boys or beastie boys mm hmm boys, 2:40:29.240 --> 2:40:32.920 Jay Z or Big Daddy Kane. I can't touch that. 2:40:33.879 --> 2:40:36.200 Y'all got to drink up, love them both to death. 2:40:40.760 --> 2:40:42.959 Big Daddy Kane is from not far from where I'm 2:40:42.959 --> 2:40:43.800 from in bed style. 2:40:43.959 --> 2:40:45.560 You know, I'm from Hancock. 2:40:46.560 --> 2:40:48.920 Lewis and Garby used to be Lewis and Sumner and 2:40:49.400 --> 2:40:51.840 Kane is from Lewis about four or. 2:40:51.800 --> 2:40:54.840 Five blocks away. Yeah, big daddy. 2:40:57.080 --> 2:40:58.720 He was on one of the first episodes of your 2:40:58.920 --> 2:41:05.520 TV raps as well Him Rock Him Yes, okay, Charlie 2:41:05.600 --> 2:41:11.120 Chase or read Alert. Wow wow men, I can't do 2:41:11.360 --> 2:41:12.800 neither one of the I love both of them. 2:41:14.920 --> 2:41:15.120 Man. 2:41:15.600 --> 2:41:19.280 Wow, this list is murder. But y'all gonna get drunk. 2:41:19.440 --> 2:41:24.800 That's no I'm cool now. 2:41:24.840 --> 2:41:30.800 I'm just saying yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They knocked it back. 2:41:31.240 --> 2:41:34.680 Drink champs are serious, you know. 2:41:39.560 --> 2:41:45.120 Debbie Harry or Cydy lap Oh man, you know I 2:41:45.200 --> 2:41:47.160 love Cyndy La. Gotta get my shot ready. 2:41:47.200 --> 2:41:52.760 Debbie Harry is Debbie Harry's family, so you know, love it, 2:41:52.920 --> 2:41:58.359 love love me some. Debbie Harry, b Street of wallstof 2:41:58.640 --> 2:42:03.800 I mean, come on, y'all, wow, the first, the best, 2:42:03.840 --> 2:42:04.919 the original. 2:42:05.520 --> 2:42:07.400 DMC or E P M D. You know I ain't 2:42:07.440 --> 2:42:08.120 touching none of that. 2:42:10.840 --> 2:42:13.000 I directed one of the e PM's early videos. I 2:42:13.080 --> 2:42:20.599 directed Strictly Business, Strictly. 2:42:20.360 --> 2:42:25.640 Business, E P M D. Okay, Nas or L L COJ. 2:42:26.760 --> 2:42:29.120 I directed one of the early when of Nas is 2:42:29.160 --> 2:42:35.520 the early videos which one One Love, Yes, One Love. 2:42:36.720 --> 2:42:37.440 Did you know that? 2:42:37.680 --> 2:42:37.720 No? 2:42:37.840 --> 2:42:39.800 I did know that. That's great man. 2:42:40.200 --> 2:42:44.680 Yeah. I literally filmed in his apartment in Queensbridge. His 2:42:44.879 --> 2:42:47.200 moms were still up in that apartment. Nas was just 2:42:47.280 --> 2:42:50.640 beginning to take off. But I shot the scenes right 2:42:50.720 --> 2:42:51.400 in that apartment. 2:42:51.440 --> 2:42:53.360 So let's tell us about that, all right. So you 2:42:53.760 --> 2:42:56.360 get the call from Faith. No no, no, no, no. 2:42:56.720 --> 2:42:59.560 I know Faith going way back, it would happen often, 2:42:59.600 --> 2:43:02.320 which was a really a blessing. I'm hosting your MTV raps, 2:43:02.360 --> 2:43:06.400 so Nas once again makes his national television debut with 2:43:06.560 --> 2:43:09.880 me on your MTV raps. Of course, the buzz was phenomenal, 2:43:10.360 --> 2:43:13.039 you know. I of course heard like, you know, Live 2:43:13.080 --> 2:43:16.560 at the Barbecue actually had happened already, I think, so 2:43:16.640 --> 2:43:18.640 I'm not sure about that one, but definitely Live at 2:43:18.680 --> 2:43:22.400 the Barbecue. And then this buzz about this incredible phenomenon 2:43:22.640 --> 2:43:25.960 that you know, and listening, I'm like, unbelievable, this is incredible. 2:43:26.360 --> 2:43:30.640 So then boom he comes through to do the show, 2:43:31.080 --> 2:43:34.040 and I really had, you know, I was looking at 2:43:34.080 --> 2:43:37.400 his videos and a couple of things the first ones 2:43:37.440 --> 2:43:41.600 that came out, and I just felt like his personality 2:43:42.320 --> 2:43:46.080 was so held back in a way, and I wanted 2:43:46.200 --> 2:43:48.320 I knew like I wanted to get a chance to 2:43:48.360 --> 2:43:51.720 work with him because I wanted to bring more him out. 2:43:51.879 --> 2:43:54.520 I felt like I saw it because even sometimes in 2:43:54.640 --> 2:43:58.360 talking to him, initially he would talk, he'd be real 2:43:58.680 --> 2:44:01.960 laid back and like but then it right, he'd be like, yo, 2:44:02.200 --> 2:44:03.520 but so and so and boom boom boom. 2:44:03.520 --> 2:44:07.119 I'd be like, Oh, okay, that's sort of thing in there. 2:44:07.120 --> 2:44:09.360 If you know now you talking about when you really 2:44:09.360 --> 2:44:11.760 get him going, he'll come out of it. So I 2:44:11.840 --> 2:44:15.400 knew I wanted to And then when so when we 2:44:15.680 --> 2:44:19.160 did the interview on your MTV raps, he was They 2:44:19.280 --> 2:44:21.240 told me the story, how, Yo, man, I can't believe 2:44:21.280 --> 2:44:23.320 I'm sitting here with you. This is this was no, 2:44:23.480 --> 2:44:27.880 this is actually On the part of the interview, he says, man, like, 2:44:28.480 --> 2:44:30.560 my pop took me to see wild Style like when 2:44:30.600 --> 2:44:32.720 I was ten, and I can't believe I'm sitting here 2:44:32.800 --> 2:44:36.280 talking to you and dah and so then he's asking 2:44:36.320 --> 2:44:38.840 me questions in between. I told him, oh, I directed this, 2:44:39.160 --> 2:44:40.800 I did that, He said, Yo, man, I want to 2:44:40.840 --> 2:44:41.280 work with you. 2:44:42.000 --> 2:44:43.599 And so that's how that started. 2:44:43.320 --> 2:44:45.920 Right there, because he realized other things I made, like 2:44:46.000 --> 2:44:47.920 I did just to get a just to get a 2:44:47.959 --> 2:44:51.840 rep of course, but I also did yeah, just getting 2:44:53.120 --> 2:44:59.000 as bad and rode to the riches for g wrap 2:44:59.080 --> 2:45:02.240 those is real now of storytelling. That that's you know, 2:45:02.720 --> 2:45:05.920 I knew I could could handle that, and so yeah. 2:45:06.120 --> 2:45:08.880 Well it's full circle being that he used whilst all 2:45:08.959 --> 2:45:10.119 in the project too. 2:45:10.600 --> 2:45:12.640 It was just connection was incredible. 2:45:12.920 --> 2:45:15.920 Plus being at his father was a jazz musician, I 2:45:16.000 --> 2:45:19.840 could sense that sensibility in his whole attitude and flow. 2:45:20.400 --> 2:45:22.879 And then as you learn more later, that was shooting 2:45:23.080 --> 2:45:24.480 fact as Pops used to live. 2:45:24.400 --> 2:45:28.600 Near me in Harlem. Olu Dara is his dad who's 2:45:28.640 --> 2:45:29.199 a really. 2:45:29.320 --> 2:45:34.760 Renowned you know, horn sax player, and his dad introduced 2:45:34.840 --> 2:45:37.039 him to a whole lot of you know, conscious stuff, 2:45:37.120 --> 2:45:39.880 and you know, it just it was just perfectly. It 2:45:39.959 --> 2:45:44.080 worked out perfectly. He made a young prodigy. And so 2:45:45.240 --> 2:45:47.480 that song One Love was like a script. I mean, 2:45:47.560 --> 2:45:49.880 it's perfect the construct of that song. 2:45:50.000 --> 2:45:52.280 You suggested you film that or they called you. 2:45:52.720 --> 2:45:55.120 Well, when I met Nasa and I told them things 2:45:55.200 --> 2:45:57.760 I made, and he said, oh you know you made 2:45:57.879 --> 2:45:58.560 just to get a rep. 2:45:58.640 --> 2:46:00.440 You did. Wow, you know I want to work with you. 2:46:00.600 --> 2:46:04.400 My philosophy every because the videos the only MTV at 2:46:04.440 --> 2:46:08.280 a point started putting the director's name up mostly you 2:46:08.400 --> 2:46:11.880 didn't know and then you know you, people didn't know 2:46:11.920 --> 2:46:14.600 who directed was, but the MTV started doing that, so 2:46:14.640 --> 2:46:17.560 it was really a good look. People got to know Williams, 2:46:17.640 --> 2:46:21.039 you know fab or this one Lionel Martin. Different people 2:46:21.120 --> 2:46:23.800 were directed and it was people begin to pay attention. 2:46:23.959 --> 2:46:25.600 But with NASA's thing, it was perfect. 2:46:25.640 --> 2:46:26.720 I was like, oh man, I got this. 2:46:27.520 --> 2:46:31.800 And the hard thing was the casting and something that 2:46:31.879 --> 2:46:34.440 I'm really flattered about with the one Love video is 2:46:36.000 --> 2:46:40.879 hyped to the scene in Belly, which was very kid, 2:46:41.320 --> 2:46:46.280 the young kids sitting down in a bench and so yeah, 2:46:46.560 --> 2:46:50.000 and they recreated a scene very similar with Na sitting 2:46:50.080 --> 2:46:52.400 on the bench talking to this young want to be 2:46:52.560 --> 2:46:53.800 thug type cat. 2:46:54.240 --> 2:46:54.879 The problem I. 2:46:54.879 --> 2:46:57.720 Would often have with music videos, the budgets wasn't enough 2:46:58.160 --> 2:47:01.440 for me to really hire actors, so oftentimes I would 2:47:01.480 --> 2:47:03.960 have to run out and try to find somebody that 2:47:04.080 --> 2:47:07.160 can be the character that I needed. So I know, 2:47:07.360 --> 2:47:09.800 I need this young kid for this scene that I 2:47:09.920 --> 2:47:13.240 have in my mind, I'm riding around. I don't know 2:47:13.280 --> 2:47:14.880 where I'm going to find this kid. But we was 2:47:14.959 --> 2:47:18.160 in Harlem one day and I saw this kid, this 2:47:18.360 --> 2:47:20.640 is before cell phones, was really mad. 2:47:22.000 --> 2:47:22.400 Comment. 2:47:23.400 --> 2:47:26.240 These two young kids on the corner with a with 2:47:26.400 --> 2:47:30.720 a with a house phone, a Courtland's house phone, fronting 2:47:30.879 --> 2:47:34.119 like like brick on the brick phone. Yeah, not as 2:47:34.160 --> 2:47:36.600 big as a brick, but the same idea. I got 2:47:36.640 --> 2:47:39.680 a cell phone and it was fronting like and they 2:47:39.800 --> 2:47:43.560 really was swagged out. They was like thirteen ish and 2:47:43.680 --> 2:47:45.879 so I drove by and I seen these two kids 2:47:45.959 --> 2:47:48.120 on the corner. I said, yo, I told my man, 2:47:48.160 --> 2:47:50.320 I said, yo, spin back around, let me run over 2:47:50.840 --> 2:47:53.760 and hollered this young shorty right here. So I rolled 2:47:53.840 --> 2:47:55.520 up on him, you know, and just like I'm back. 2:47:55.600 --> 2:47:57.920 He was trying to be thugged out, but I'm like. 2:47:58.000 --> 2:48:00.480 Hey, how you doing, shorty? We on what your name? 2:48:00.560 --> 2:48:01.080 What you doing? 2:48:01.879 --> 2:48:04.880 So we had a little conversation with him, and as 2:48:04.920 --> 2:48:06.600 I'm talking to him, I said, yo, I think this 2:48:06.800 --> 2:48:09.200 kid can do that because he was trying to be 2:48:09.360 --> 2:48:11.959 like a lot older. He had a real hard rock 2:48:12.080 --> 2:48:16.760 swagger and boom. I got his mom's number and I 2:48:16.879 --> 2:48:19.080 reached out and booming and that made it happen. 2:48:19.640 --> 2:48:22.760 So that's the kid that's on the plays that whole Yeah. 2:48:23.280 --> 2:48:27.440 You know, dad, that's all. I can't remember the lyric, 2:48:27.560 --> 2:48:29.360 but he's like. 2:48:30.840 --> 2:48:33.880 I would go when I come back home, nobody's out 2:48:33.920 --> 2:48:36.680 for short. He do roll in two phillies together and 2:48:36.840 --> 2:48:39.959 the bridgerie called him hu and you know, the whole 2:48:40.120 --> 2:48:42.959 thing and ship, and the kid played the ship off lovely. 2:48:43.280 --> 2:48:45.440 You know, I wear a bulletproof or pack of you know. 2:48:45.560 --> 2:48:47.600 He was that he had that whole ship that I 2:48:47.720 --> 2:48:51.640 need care. Caught him on the corner bee and got 2:48:51.720 --> 2:48:52.560 him to play that cat. 2:48:52.680 --> 2:49:03.840 I talked to him from Queensbridge. But so in the 2:49:04.000 --> 2:49:08.160 scenes when NaNs, you know, I do the whole shooting 2:49:08.280 --> 2:49:10.480 scene and whatever those was real. 2:49:10.959 --> 2:49:13.880 Those was the real Queensbridge cats, Like people was really 2:49:13.920 --> 2:49:17.200 playing themselves. Then I do the jail scene, you know, 2:49:17.320 --> 2:49:19.720 and I bust a bunch of them cats out to this. 2:49:19.920 --> 2:49:21.680 We found a local like. 2:49:21.720 --> 2:49:24.560 A local jail that looked like an old style prison, 2:49:24.720 --> 2:49:27.040 had tears and ship, and that's where we did the 2:49:27.160 --> 2:49:31.360 jail scene where his man that's writing him is in jail, 2:49:31.560 --> 2:49:31.760 you know. 2:49:32.400 --> 2:49:33.320 So that was fun to do. 2:49:33.400 --> 2:49:35.640 That video because it was the song was perfect. 2:49:35.920 --> 2:49:37.960 I just had to put the right. Don't one kind 2:49:38.000 --> 2:49:40.960 of like made a song like that prior to that? Right? No, 2:49:41.720 --> 2:49:42.720 I don't think. I don't think. 2:49:42.840 --> 2:49:44.959 I think everyone not with that level. 2:49:45.040 --> 2:49:46.720 I mean I would like to think so people like 2:49:46.840 --> 2:49:50.720 I think people tried to be like cinematic and tell 2:49:50.800 --> 2:49:51.240 a story. 2:49:51.400 --> 2:49:53.360 But that was my thing. I knew I could handle it. 2:49:53.640 --> 2:49:55.360 But not only was to telling the story he was 2:49:55.480 --> 2:50:02.880 he was telling a story for right now, for a 2:50:03.000 --> 2:50:04.640 person that's in jail. 2:50:04.879 --> 2:50:06.600 Oh you mean in terms of the the way that 2:50:08.480 --> 2:50:12.360 he wrote, man, No, listen, it's beyond yeah. 2:50:12.720 --> 2:50:14.520 It was yeah, man. 2:50:14.879 --> 2:50:16.480 So let me tell you another thing we did. There 2:50:16.600 --> 2:50:20.000 was a cat in the directing game that came up 2:50:20.120 --> 2:50:23.600 under me, brother from Brooklyn, name named Black. Name is 2:50:23.680 --> 2:50:27.440 Brian LeVar. That was my man, and he got on 2:50:27.640 --> 2:50:29.400 you know, he was the PA on some videos, but 2:50:29.480 --> 2:50:31.720 I saw he had flavor. He was a real deal 2:50:31.800 --> 2:50:36.039 cat out of Bushwick, Brooklyn. So he worked his way 2:50:36.160 --> 2:50:39.080 up to where I knew it was time for him 2:50:39.160 --> 2:50:43.240 to get a shot directed. So I'm setting up and 2:50:43.400 --> 2:50:48.520 developing everything to shoot the video for One Love Ye. 2:50:51.480 --> 2:50:55.720 Bring Back. This is Philly Blunt beautifully Road. It was Boris. 2:51:03.400 --> 2:51:06.120 Oh he eat is chicken and fries. That's it. That's so, 2:51:06.560 --> 2:51:07.280 and he's a vegan. 2:51:08.360 --> 2:51:13.560 So basically else I'm preparing. I'm preparing to do the 2:51:13.640 --> 2:51:16.480 one Love video and Nas calls me and says, Yo, 2:51:17.280 --> 2:51:19.200 I want you to do this other video I want 2:51:19.240 --> 2:51:22.480 to drop. It's a remix to the World Is Yours. 2:51:23.160 --> 2:51:24.360 He wants me to do that too. 2:51:24.480 --> 2:51:27.240 But you know, I'm like, man, this is a lot so. 2:51:27.440 --> 2:51:30.840 But my man, who was like my right hand on 2:51:31.000 --> 2:51:35.200 doing videos, he was assistant director, like he learned the 2:51:35.440 --> 2:51:40.120 entire game and wanted to direct. So I basically got 2:51:40.400 --> 2:51:44.280 him to direct the remix to the World Is Yours. 2:51:45.480 --> 2:51:48.400 And what we came up with. What I told my 2:51:48.480 --> 2:51:52.039 man we should do is I said, listen, because the box. 2:51:51.920 --> 2:51:55.160 Was really popular, and like, you need to note it 2:51:56.600 --> 2:51:58.840 now exactly. You call it up and you could pick 2:51:58.879 --> 2:52:01.640 the number you did late at night, the video would. 2:52:01.440 --> 2:52:01.840 Come right on. 2:52:02.480 --> 2:52:05.720 So I said, listen, come up with a story in 2:52:05.800 --> 2:52:10.160 the video with it is a kid that a character. 2:52:10.360 --> 2:52:11.879 We'll both cast him together. 2:52:12.200 --> 2:52:15.000 I'll make sure he's right, and then at the end 2:52:15.040 --> 2:52:17.480 of whatever you come up with, this kid is going 2:52:17.520 --> 2:52:21.200 to run away to get away from like Popo or 2:52:21.240 --> 2:52:25.640 something like some setup he had with the popo was 2:52:25.760 --> 2:52:27.640 raising like a gate. 2:52:27.800 --> 2:52:29.800 And dude got away and he ran. 2:52:30.959 --> 2:52:33.600 And that cat who ran we worked it all out 2:52:33.640 --> 2:52:36.240 with the same outfit and everything is the kid that 2:52:36.400 --> 2:52:38.440 you see in the beginning of the One Love video 2:52:39.080 --> 2:52:41.920 running and this is a kid that plays that whole 2:52:42.040 --> 2:52:45.279 character in jail whatever that Nasa is writing the letters 2:52:45.320 --> 2:52:48.520 to and you see the kid run. The video opens 2:52:48.879 --> 2:52:51.680 with him running and the police jump out and they 2:52:51.760 --> 2:52:54.000 lock him down. The Nasa is in the project window 2:52:54.040 --> 2:52:57.720 and he's like damn. And that's so we the whole 2:52:57.800 --> 2:53:00.440 idea of doing that. We saw that on the box 2:53:01.000 --> 2:53:03.440 you could play both videos and the video would go 2:53:03.560 --> 2:53:07.000 from the world is your depending. Dude would be running 2:53:07.200 --> 2:53:10.080 when the same outfit, and then when One Love comes on, 2:53:10.440 --> 2:53:14.480 that's the same cat he running and then Booma gets him. 2:53:14.480 --> 2:53:19.160 He says, Yo, what up kid? No sh rush When 2:53:19.240 --> 2:53:23.720 the cops came to my crib time looking back and. 2:53:23.800 --> 2:53:27.080 Done, Puss, congratulations, you know you got a son by 2:53:27.120 --> 2:53:33.160 that point. By that point, you seeing him in jail 2:53:33.280 --> 2:53:35.080 now readognized his letters. 2:53:35.360 --> 2:53:39.680 I think that is genius. 2:53:39.840 --> 2:53:41.680 That was a moment I was so proud of. 2:53:42.080 --> 2:53:44.960 And my man got to direct, and now he was 2:53:45.040 --> 2:53:47.240 in the game because now he'd have made his first video. 2:53:47.400 --> 2:53:49.160 He went on to do a lot of He did 2:53:49.200 --> 2:53:49.760 a lot of ship. 2:53:49.879 --> 2:53:51.840 In fact, he did a video for Big Al you know, 2:53:52.320 --> 2:53:54.000 and he got his he got his ship on them. 2:53:54.160 --> 2:53:57.200 He's still in the film game. My man, my man, black, 2:53:57.280 --> 2:53:57.600 what up? 2:53:57.640 --> 2:53:57.879 Black? 2:53:59.640 --> 2:53:59.879 Yeah? 2:54:00.040 --> 2:54:01.840 Yeah, man, So that's a fun story. 2:54:03.160 --> 2:54:08.000 Yeah, yes, yes, yes, speak time. Oh yeah, please all right? 2:54:08.320 --> 2:54:11.680 Scene or Zephyr, Oh man, you're gonna have to drink 2:54:11.720 --> 2:54:13.320 on that. Hold up both for the cast. 2:54:13.840 --> 2:54:15.880 I mean, Zephy is one of the stars of Wild Style. 2:54:17.240 --> 2:54:19.800 The scene is incredible. Man, my man, seeing from the 2:54:19.920 --> 2:54:20.360 v X. 2:54:21.280 --> 2:54:23.200 Yes, eighties or nineties hip hop? 2:54:23.800 --> 2:54:30.000 Wow, wow, damn n, y'all gotta drink. 2:54:30.040 --> 2:54:33.160 I love them both eighties and nineties. How y'all. 2:54:33.160 --> 2:54:34.760 I'm so cruel with these company. 2:54:34.800 --> 2:54:35.119 I can't. 2:54:35.120 --> 2:54:38.600 It's hard to shoot on nothing. Cocaine section over there, 2:54:39.320 --> 2:54:43.320 you shot on anything over here? Drink look for this one. 2:54:43.720 --> 2:54:45.640 No I did that. You get to put it? Look. 2:54:45.680 --> 2:54:56.720 Look I'm waiting for come on all right, basket or 2:54:56.760 --> 2:55:00.440 Warhol Oh man, these. 2:55:00.360 --> 2:55:02.360 Every time there's people that I really love, like. 2:55:02.959 --> 2:55:08.400 Bro, he said, Haiti night. 2:55:11.760 --> 2:55:14.760 I love both of them, man, you say both ball 2:55:14.959 --> 2:55:16.800 man and yes. 2:55:16.800 --> 2:55:20.640 Yes recipes, Yes, the recipes of both. 2:55:20.480 --> 2:55:26.640 Of them, man, both of my homies right there, all right? 2:55:26.800 --> 2:55:31.359 The Ramones or Agnostic Front, Oh wow, definitely the Ramones. 2:55:32.480 --> 2:55:35.440 I know Queen's right cool, the Ramones. I think they 2:55:35.600 --> 2:55:39.040 was just right. Really, yes, they from Queens. You don't 2:55:39.040 --> 2:55:42.160 watch the Entourage. I mean it's been a long time. 2:55:42.360 --> 2:55:44.160 They showed the Ramote being from Queen. 2:55:44.160 --> 2:55:45.880 I think they definitely was from Queens. Yeah, they was 2:55:45.959 --> 2:55:51.199 definitely New York casts. Interesting rock and roll high school. 2:55:51.560 --> 2:55:56.320 Talking about that. So Queens was b X. Wow, don't 2:55:56.360 --> 2:56:01.400 say both man, Wow, to go back to you, I mean, 2:56:01.400 --> 2:56:03.840 I'm from Brooklyn, so you should be Queens. 2:56:04.320 --> 2:56:04.840 Yeah, neither. 2:56:05.000 --> 2:56:05.280 I can't. 2:56:06.800 --> 2:56:09.039 Yeah, I can't ship on. 2:56:09.160 --> 2:56:12.039 Queens qualified queens. 2:56:13.120 --> 2:56:14.560 In the boogie down Bronx. 2:56:14.920 --> 2:56:15.200 You know. 2:56:16.720 --> 2:56:18.760 Grandma's a flash or cor work. 2:56:19.400 --> 2:56:20.640 Y'all gotta drink, man. 2:56:20.600 --> 2:56:22.400 Jesus Chris, one of them be. 2:56:22.920 --> 2:56:24.280 We're not gonna be able to be here with you, 2:56:24.440 --> 2:56:28.080 right found man, y'all gotta come with some crazy ship. 2:56:28.160 --> 2:56:30.520 You should have some some people that were certifying. 2:56:31.959 --> 2:56:34.440 Kill us over there? All right? Oh, we gotta drink. 2:56:34.480 --> 2:56:39.640 Guys are the Dominican and uh oh my god, cypricill 2:56:39.760 --> 2:56:42.760 or House of Pain. Oh man, neither man. I love 2:56:42.800 --> 2:56:45.400 both of them guys too. Man, So you say both 2:56:45.440 --> 2:56:49.879 of both ship? Yeah, yeah, same crew. 2:56:50.400 --> 2:56:53.600 That's what I'm saying basically, I mean, come on, I 2:56:53.680 --> 2:56:57.160 gott drink both of them debuted your TV baps. 2:56:57.879 --> 2:57:06.119 Relaxed Sonny mann't even oh drink yo, This drink Champs 2:57:06.400 --> 2:57:07.320 is real. I see that. 2:57:07.680 --> 2:57:10.240 Yeah, they're playing over here when we take the pictures 2:57:10.280 --> 2:57:11.200 like we can at Bernie's. 2:57:11.959 --> 2:57:16.160 Okay, what an experience you guys. 2:57:18.320 --> 2:57:20.440 N y C Breakers of rock Steady Crew. 2:57:21.200 --> 2:57:24.000 Oh man, definitely rock Steady Crew. Okay, I was afraid 2:57:24.160 --> 2:57:26.080 say both of them. I mean respect to New York 2:57:26.080 --> 2:57:28.400 City Breakers, but rock Steady Crew for sure. Baby, come on, 2:57:29.440 --> 2:57:30.920 we made history together here. 2:57:31.680 --> 2:57:35.920 It's your favorite. It's done wild style baby. 2:57:37.000 --> 2:57:40.080 Wu tang Oh wait wait hold up? So NYC Breakers 2:57:40.080 --> 2:57:42.080 were not at all washed all? I don't know, No, 2:57:42.600 --> 2:57:44.600 just just Rocksteady, rock Steady Okay. 2:57:44.520 --> 2:57:47.760 Yeah, Wu Tang or n w A, oh man, I 2:57:47.840 --> 2:57:52.800 can't mess with that, y'all. 2:57:52.879 --> 2:57:55.840 Come up with these on such another man's shop, bro 2:57:56.480 --> 2:57:59.360 Colombian and Dominican section of Idea. They come up with 2:57:59.400 --> 2:58:02.120 the questions what y'all is? Yo? 2:58:02.320 --> 2:58:04.320 That's why point y'all out? Oh my good. 2:58:05.959 --> 2:58:10.640 Man, how you how did you do this? We did? 2:58:10.760 --> 2:58:11.879 We did? They on that day? 2:58:12.440 --> 2:58:17.680 A Rahap City or video music box, Video music box 2:58:18.400 --> 2:58:19.480 come one percent? 2:58:20.640 --> 2:58:24.440 All right, here we go. Last one loyalty or respect? 2:58:25.879 --> 2:58:30.959 Wow, I mean both are essential ship both for mandatory, 2:58:31.160 --> 2:58:32.720 so just so we got to do both. 2:58:33.320 --> 2:58:35.400 I like it, but I want to get on it 2:58:35.440 --> 2:58:37.320 because grow Oh cool? What the fuck? 2:58:37.400 --> 2:58:37.520 Man? 2:58:37.600 --> 2:58:42.879 You don't even both for mandatory. Yeah he's been around. 2:58:43.360 --> 2:58:44.800 Yeah, No, I've definitely been around. 2:58:44.840 --> 2:58:45.640 And those are those are. 2:58:47.200 --> 2:58:48.640 That's foundational right there? 2:58:49.920 --> 2:58:50.480 You need both? 2:58:50.720 --> 2:58:53.040 Lord, man, you know what's incredible? 2:58:54.400 --> 2:58:58.760 DJ Premier it was this twenty nineteen, right before the pandemic. 2:58:59.360 --> 2:59:03.160 So my film drops on for twenty and twenty nineteen, 2:59:03.480 --> 2:59:05.640 Grass is Greener my documentary on Netflix. 2:59:06.160 --> 2:59:09.119 Over too many people viewed my joint. It was crazy. 2:59:09.200 --> 2:59:10.920 I'm sure a lot more said that was numbers I 2:59:11.000 --> 2:59:15.160 got back. Then DJ Premier called me up because so 2:59:15.240 --> 2:59:21.080 I did. I did two videos, well, I did just 2:59:21.160 --> 2:59:23.400 to get a rap and then I did another video 2:59:23.480 --> 2:59:26.480 for Guru and a French rapper. That was a real pivotal, 2:59:26.920 --> 2:59:31.040 pioneering French rapper that opened up the scene named EMC Solar, 2:59:31.800 --> 2:59:33.000 not the other empty Soular. 2:59:33.160 --> 2:59:36.600 That was the one that was involved with Guru to 2:59:36.720 --> 2:59:37.680 us and that was. 2:59:37.680 --> 2:59:40.880 Another I'm talking about the original one in my book 2:59:42.120 --> 2:59:44.960 in Guru's album though, So hit me out the story 2:59:45.160 --> 2:59:47.360 I'm getting too. That's the story I'm telling you. This 2:59:47.560 --> 2:59:53.280 is French Guru, I'm sorry, French EMC solo and the 2:59:53.440 --> 2:59:56.280 song is called lobiena Lamar. It was on that Jazmine 2:59:56.280 --> 3:00:01.720 Tag record. I direct that video and so yeah, the 3:00:02.280 --> 3:00:05.320 shot I shot it in Paris. It was the idea 3:00:05.360 --> 3:00:07.200 of the video, which was a you know, being in 3:00:07.240 --> 3:00:09.280 past I used to. I fell asleep on the Paris 3:00:09.360 --> 3:00:11.680 metro once and woke up and I was like, man, 3:00:12.000 --> 3:00:14.480 wouldn't this be amazing? Like I like if you was 3:00:14.520 --> 3:00:16.360 on the train in New York and you woke up 3:00:16.400 --> 3:00:18.520 and he was in Paris or vice versa, because the 3:00:18.560 --> 3:00:19.240 subways are so. 3:00:19.360 --> 3:00:21.720 Similar, Like, but you're gonna wake up neckad in New York, 3:00:24.280 --> 3:00:25.640 New York, You're gonna wake. 3:00:25.560 --> 3:00:27.680 Up neck know you want to try it? You know 3:00:27.720 --> 3:00:28.840 how you just doze off. 3:00:30.600 --> 3:00:32.320 Those off are different from one of us. 3:00:32.360 --> 3:00:35.280 Know, you're right, you know you're doing to change, Yeah, 3:00:35.720 --> 3:00:37.920 and you just it's amazing how you can go to 3:00:38.000 --> 3:00:40.000 sleep on the train pack with people, but if you 3:00:40.120 --> 3:00:42.480 ride the subway in New York, that's something you can do. 3:00:43.080 --> 3:00:45.320 And I had this would have this like a vision 3:00:45.400 --> 3:00:46.160 of this happening. 3:00:46.520 --> 3:00:47.160 So the way that. 3:00:47.320 --> 3:00:52.800 Video opens that video for that song, Guru gets a 3:00:52.920 --> 3:00:55.480 call from MC Solar. He runs down the New York 3:00:55.520 --> 3:00:58.800 City subway, he comes out of the Paris Metro and 3:00:58.879 --> 3:00:59.240 they run. 3:00:59.320 --> 3:01:01.920 We run all over Paris filming them do this song together. 3:01:02.680 --> 3:01:02.840 Uh. 3:01:03.040 --> 3:01:05.760 So I was like, you know, a really really uh 3:01:06.360 --> 3:01:07.400 But anyway, so. 3:01:07.440 --> 3:01:10.720 I did two videos that and the just to get 3:01:10.720 --> 3:01:13.560 a wrap and so Primo calls me and he says, listen, man, 3:01:13.959 --> 3:01:17.199 there was a legal fight with this other Solar person 3:01:17.480 --> 3:01:21.240 and we got back the rights or all the other 3:01:21.320 --> 3:01:24.560 materials that Google when he passed. This dude had hold 3:01:24.760 --> 3:01:27.440 held on to everything and Primo and his family, so 3:01:27.520 --> 3:01:28.840 you know, you know, you know the half on that. 3:01:29.240 --> 3:01:31.200 So Primo is like, listen, man, I got this one 3:01:31.320 --> 3:01:35.400 track and I created a new bee for it. It's 3:01:35.480 --> 3:01:38.800 called Family and Loyalty this track. 3:01:39.240 --> 3:01:40.879 And uh, the most recent. 3:01:41.440 --> 3:01:44.520 This is the most recent, you know. I yeah, it's 3:01:44.560 --> 3:01:48.080 a real good. So the idea was in the hook 3:01:48.120 --> 3:01:51.400 of the song Diamonds. It is a reference to like 3:01:51.560 --> 3:01:57.080 diamonds in forever, like you know, yes, diamonds are forever, 3:01:57.879 --> 3:02:01.200 like like he's just like lawyer, see thank you. 3:02:01.440 --> 3:02:02.360 Thank you, thank you. 3:02:02.879 --> 3:02:05.879 So it's this whole thing about diamonds, and I'm like, man, 3:02:06.000 --> 3:02:08.640 how do I deal with this without being like a 3:02:08.720 --> 3:02:11.560 gratuitous bling bling kind of thing? But how do I 3:02:11.640 --> 3:02:14.360 address these diamonds? So I came up with this concept 3:02:15.200 --> 3:02:20.039 which the video opens with the reading of Guru's will, 3:02:20.920 --> 3:02:25.320 and in his will, this lawyer states and Guru's will 3:02:25.879 --> 3:02:30.120 these raw diamonds were given to him by an African prince, 3:02:30.959 --> 3:02:33.960 and Guru's son, Primo was like, his son has to 3:02:34.040 --> 3:02:34.320 be in it. 3:02:34.720 --> 3:02:37.520 Sons like a young man now twenty two, twenty whatever. 3:02:38.160 --> 3:02:42.240 And basically the concept of the video is when his 3:02:42.320 --> 3:02:46.240 son gets these diamonds, I shoot him going around Harlem 3:02:46.760 --> 3:02:49.200 cast selling t search on the street, go to this 3:02:49.360 --> 3:02:52.120 juice barn one forty fifth and they bless the people 3:02:52.200 --> 3:02:55.440 with these raw diamonds, like on some gratitude shit. So 3:02:55.600 --> 3:02:57.520 it's a whole nother way of dealing with the stones 3:02:57.520 --> 3:02:59.119 and stuff. Anyway, it was a fun video. 3:03:00.280 --> 3:03:03.200 Ja Cole is also on that. Thanks for remembering, Yes, 3:03:04.040 --> 3:03:07.000 Jacle that's from the newer game, the newer Gang Star Joint. 3:03:07.240 --> 3:03:12.280 Yeah yeah, Jacole, we go down to North Carolina and 3:03:12.760 --> 3:03:15.680 I shoot Jacole. Anyway, it was just such a special 3:03:16.800 --> 3:03:20.560 vibe that guru and artist that I work with, and 3:03:21.120 --> 3:03:23.480 here's a song, you know, like a new song. 3:03:23.640 --> 3:03:25.480 So it was a real privilege to. 3:03:25.560 --> 3:03:29.040 Do that video, which felt like videos back in the nineties, 3:03:29.120 --> 3:03:31.160 like I did it real rough running gun. 3:03:31.600 --> 3:03:40.000 You know, and uh yeah, anyway, thank you, thank you man. 3:03:40.080 --> 3:03:43.120 I can't thank you enough man, because it's been so 3:03:43.240 --> 3:03:47.840 much fun waiting no no, no, not your turn. 3:03:47.959 --> 3:03:53.880 This is your house, thank you your place. You know 3:03:56.840 --> 3:04:00.320 the fact that black media is to control of black 3:04:00.440 --> 3:04:06.040 media or hip hop, it's take control of hip hop 3:04:06.120 --> 3:04:09.480 media and me and I think could like sit back 3:04:09.600 --> 3:04:12.680 and say that, you know, we kind of like I 3:04:12.879 --> 3:04:18.640 was trying to do that, but when we spoke about that, 3:04:19.000 --> 3:04:25.000 it's always been about what you've done for us, and 3:04:25.160 --> 3:04:28.720 that's meaning like put hip hop first. Yes, you know, 3:04:28.959 --> 3:04:32.440 in my running club, we have something called run first, right, 3:04:32.959 --> 3:04:37.160 run first, run first, my running club, right right, But 3:04:37.800 --> 3:04:42.240 in life it's always been hip hop first. Hip Hop 3:04:42.320 --> 3:04:47.280 has always been the catalyst to get us to the 3:04:47.400 --> 3:04:53.960 next place. Thank you so much, thank you. I just 3:04:54.400 --> 3:05:05.400 want to thank you because hip hop it's really brung 3:05:05.560 --> 3:05:11.879 us to the fucking forefront of everything in life, beyond 3:05:12.000 --> 3:05:13.320 my expectations. Really. 3:05:13.680 --> 3:05:16.920 Yeah, it's a thrill and a blessing that you know, 3:05:17.160 --> 3:05:19.720 just seriously to be kicking it like all, kept it, 3:05:20.320 --> 3:05:22.920 keep it real, basic and organic, and I'm still my 3:05:23.080 --> 3:05:26.959 mind is blown that just continues in such an incredible way, 3:05:27.080 --> 3:05:30.240 especially not just I mean, everything has gone on here, 3:05:30.240 --> 3:05:32.720 I see how real it is. But once again, like 3:05:32.760 --> 3:05:34.720 I said earlier, you see how it's touched people. 3:05:34.520 --> 3:05:37.920 Around the world. You know, it's like the world it 3:05:38.040 --> 3:05:38.800 really is, man. 3:05:39.160 --> 3:05:41.680 And that's one of the sad things in a sense, 3:05:41.800 --> 3:05:45.160 because we're in a culture now that technologically has completely 3:05:45.320 --> 3:05:49.000 changed and things happen at hyper speed literally from the 3:05:49.120 --> 3:05:53.240 technology that's coming into play, every other weakest in the 3:05:53.320 --> 3:05:55.920 AI advancement and this is happening and more and more 3:05:55.959 --> 3:05:59.440 people getting to do these things. But at the same time, 3:05:59.520 --> 3:06:02.280 it's like I think one of the reasons hip hop 3:06:02.640 --> 3:06:08.440 was able to develop so incredibly is because the aspirations 3:06:08.480 --> 3:06:10.600 were so real and so humble, like I'm just trying 3:06:10.640 --> 3:06:12.520 to be somebody. I'm trying to be nice on my block. 3:06:12.840 --> 3:06:15.640 It wasn't completely motivated by how much money you wanted 3:06:15.720 --> 3:06:18.600 to have and just an exaggeration and riches. Just really 3:06:18.640 --> 3:06:21.440 trying to be somebody, really trying to stand up and say, yo, baby, 3:06:21.800 --> 3:06:24.640 check me out, like I'm really here and I'm gonna 3:06:24.640 --> 3:06:25.480 break it down to in the. 3:06:25.560 --> 3:06:29.720 Fly is way possible. Props was a currency completely and so. 3:06:30.080 --> 3:06:32.600 All of that, I think the roots went down really deep, 3:06:33.400 --> 3:06:36.640 and that's I think significant to where it has. 3:06:37.120 --> 3:06:38.199 Blossomed so much fruit. 3:06:38.360 --> 3:06:41.959 That's so continuous, and this thing when it seems kind 3:06:42.000 --> 3:06:46.199 of flat, it'll switch up on you in real unexpected way, which. 3:06:46.000 --> 3:06:48.440 Is that's optimistic, man, I hope that to be true. 3:06:48.560 --> 3:06:50.000 Well, it's been consistent for me. 3:06:50.040 --> 3:06:52.400 There's been many times, and you know, I've been involved 3:06:52.440 --> 3:06:54.160 for quite a while when it seems like it's kind 3:06:54.200 --> 3:06:56.080 of flat, it's kind of corny, it's kind of whatever, 3:06:56.680 --> 3:06:58.480 and then there's a whole new energy. That's why I 3:06:58.520 --> 3:07:01.320 don't just difference was like a lot of times old 3:07:01.360 --> 3:07:04.800 it heads just you know, try to say people mumbling 3:07:05.080 --> 3:07:07.520 or just skinny jeans. And you know, I get that 3:07:07.680 --> 3:07:11.119 because people lock into the error when when they emerge 3:07:11.160 --> 3:07:14.160 what they hear. But you got to remain open minded, 3:07:14.320 --> 3:07:17.280 which is what I forced myself to do. Like I'm 3:07:17.320 --> 3:07:20.320 not going crazy over every little thing that gets made, 3:07:20.320 --> 3:07:23.520 but I'm examining and listening. I want to understand, like, 3:07:23.879 --> 3:07:26.520 you know, what's motivating some of the things that go on. 3:07:26.760 --> 3:07:28.320 You know, I've always been curious about that. 3:07:29.200 --> 3:07:32.400 Yeah, my only concern with it is the is confusing 3:07:32.560 --> 3:07:37.360 what the overcorporatization of it versus what the real art is. Like, 3:07:37.879 --> 3:07:41.360 don't let the corporate push convince you that this is 3:07:41.440 --> 3:07:44.000 what it is. When ye let your heart tell you 3:07:44.400 --> 3:07:45.800 what the heart is. You know what I'm saying, that's 3:07:45.879 --> 3:07:47.000 that's I don't know if that makes sense. 3:07:47.080 --> 3:07:48.119 No, it makes a lot of sense. 3:07:48.200 --> 3:07:52.360 But along that line, the way the dissemination of music 3:07:52.440 --> 3:07:58.840 now is so completely different with DSPs. I mean, anybody 3:07:58.920 --> 3:08:01.400 can post something on YouTube right now. I mean, it's 3:08:01.520 --> 3:08:03.760 kind of amazing. You you know, it doesn't make sure 3:08:03.879 --> 3:08:06.280 you guarantee you you know what I mean. So the 3:08:06.400 --> 3:08:10.560 democratization is there, but it's also like, you know, you 3:08:10.680 --> 3:08:12.600 know it's it's a it's a it's a whole new 3:08:12.720 --> 3:08:17.840 landscape of stuff that's more open like those companies that 3:08:17.920 --> 3:08:18.440 had control. 3:08:18.520 --> 3:08:20.680 That's no more. I want, I want to take a 3:08:20.720 --> 3:08:23.480 quick advantage of homing of ours. Scam come over here 3:08:23.520 --> 3:08:25.480 really quick, just really quick to show your face. So 3:08:26.240 --> 3:08:28.400 because of the art aspect that you bring to everything 3:08:28.440 --> 3:08:30.160 you brought to hip hop. He's the guy that created 3:08:30.200 --> 3:08:34.280 our logo. This is scam off, you know, scam. Yes, 3:08:34.480 --> 3:08:37.640 but he did the album cover for beach Rhyme and 3:08:37.720 --> 3:08:41.040 Life for Trype called Quest, the Eminem artwork, amongst a 3:08:41.080 --> 3:08:43.480 lot more. I always use those two beach rybes in 3:08:43.560 --> 3:08:47.960 light which one is that? That's the man as well 3:08:48.959 --> 3:08:52.959 tracks with Eminem and many a damn wow. 3:08:52.920 --> 3:08:55.720 Tips a good buddy of mine. Man and him connect 3:08:55.760 --> 3:08:59.720 all that's amazing. Congratulations, that's one of your images. 3:09:00.080 --> 3:09:01.879 I just want to shut out because he's he has 3:09:02.600 --> 3:09:06.440 that's that's yours. What's what's what's on the show to now? Okay, 3:09:07.640 --> 3:09:11.000 yeah he's and he's from here from Miami Herald City. 3:09:11.920 --> 3:09:15.360 Yeah yeah yeah, Mario bro Yes, yes, man, that's well. 3:09:15.400 --> 3:09:17.760 I love the logo, man, this is that's really fun. 3:09:17.840 --> 3:09:19.920 It helped us. We have an iconic logo and this 3:09:20.040 --> 3:09:21.960 is definitely wow. Congratulations. 3:09:22.360 --> 3:09:27.680 Yes, yeah, this is a great logo, great great, great branding. 3:09:28.000 --> 3:09:32.280 Yeah you know, yes for pleasure man. Yeah, so this 3:09:32.320 --> 3:09:34.800 has been iconic. Man, man, thank you man. 3:09:35.120 --> 3:09:37.440 I was so I'm the one that this is so great. 3:09:37.480 --> 3:09:40.440 You guys got such great energy one time. 3:09:40.600 --> 3:09:43.120 This is your house. Thank you so much. I will 3:09:43.160 --> 3:09:44.680 be back. I appreciate it so much. 3:09:45.360 --> 3:09:46.880 I used to feel so bad. I know, people on 3:09:46.959 --> 3:09:49.240 your team hit me up a few times and I 3:09:49.440 --> 3:09:51.840 just liked. You know, the last few times I was 3:09:51.920 --> 3:09:56.080 in this neckative Woods Miami was to go on the 3:09:56.160 --> 3:09:59.240 reggae cruise like the people that promote that and put 3:09:59.320 --> 3:10:03.840 that together. Yeah, the Marley's and what I want to 3:10:04.800 --> 3:10:06.640 Oh no, man, this is be in the hogh Seas 3:10:07.080 --> 3:10:08.119 with all that great reggae. 3:10:08.160 --> 3:10:09.680 It's that's a big reggae he you know. 3:10:09.720 --> 3:10:11.520 I directed all the most of the mostly all the 3:10:11.600 --> 3:10:12.879 shava ranks this video. 3:10:12.879 --> 3:10:13.440 The fuck out. 3:10:14.040 --> 3:10:16.680 Yes I did shiploaded and I was deep into that 3:10:16.760 --> 3:10:23.600 scene trailer loaded girls, mister loving man, slow and sex scene. Yes, yes, yes, 3:10:23.760 --> 3:10:25.879 I did all most of the shoppers about by at 3:10:25.920 --> 3:10:28.640 least five videos for Shaba at the same time. 3:10:28.520 --> 3:10:33.480 I was out there. I'm sure he was great. 3:10:33.720 --> 3:10:38.120 Great over here, man, I was deeply immersed in that 3:10:38.280 --> 3:10:40.760 dance sall scene because we would cover it on your 3:10:40.920 --> 3:10:43.720 TV raps. But coming up in Brooklyn, I was around like, 3:10:44.400 --> 3:10:47.360 you know, from back when the Posse's was popping and 3:10:47.480 --> 3:10:50.160 I'm hearing, you know, the earliest dancehall people. 3:10:50.280 --> 3:10:51.040 I was tuned in. 3:10:51.680 --> 3:10:53.640 So when I got to work with Shaba, I was 3:10:53.840 --> 3:10:55.800 able to go to Jamaica for the first time and 3:10:55.920 --> 3:10:57.800 meet some of the Illis cats, you know, and really 3:10:57.840 --> 3:11:01.200 get immersed in the ghetto culture. You know, Willie, I 3:11:01.400 --> 3:11:04.040 God and Bogo like I was moving with them cats 3:11:04.560 --> 3:11:07.520 in jungle and because once again I'm coming down there, 3:11:07.520 --> 3:11:10.000 I'm a super cat. He was coming off the stage 3:11:10.080 --> 3:11:13.640 performing that sting. He introduced me to Willi. I got 3:11:13.680 --> 3:11:16.520 him and Bogo that's a Roses crew. And so we 3:11:16.680 --> 3:11:19.119 became tight because the next time I would come back 3:11:19.120 --> 3:11:21.279 to Jamaica, Kingston go to House Alio. 3:11:21.640 --> 3:11:23.520 I see Willie, he said, Man, people. 3:11:23.400 --> 3:11:26.080 Calling me from everywhere if I'm London to see me 3:11:26.200 --> 3:11:29.200 with you, I'm like, whoa. So we got tight and 3:11:29.240 --> 3:11:32.640 I'd hang with those cats quite que quite seriously, that 3:11:32.760 --> 3:11:33.959 was a fun experience. Man. 3:11:34.800 --> 3:11:37.800 The book comes out, What's yes. 3:11:39.160 --> 3:11:42.199 March tenth, everybody's fly and bookstores. 3:11:46.680 --> 3:11:48.720 So do we take a shot for the book? Just 3:11:49.000 --> 3:11:54.440 one shot? I was, but we gotta let you choose 3:11:54.800 --> 3:11:59.080 what we got here. What's that is? Mamajuana Dominican? What 3:11:59.280 --> 3:12:01.720 is that? That's some hip made in a bathtobe. You 3:12:01.760 --> 3:12:04.400 can do a religious ceremony, or you can enjoy your drink. 3:12:04.480 --> 3:12:07.000 I want baby, go with this. You're gonna go fireball. 3:12:07.240 --> 3:12:14.720 I wouldn't suggest that you want that. I talk about it. 3:12:14.879 --> 3:12:15.240 You want to. 3:12:17.280 --> 3:12:20.560 I'm gonna just take a little bit. I'm thank you 3:12:20.640 --> 3:12:23.000 so much. I just want to taste it. 3:12:23.360 --> 3:12:25.040 What is that? Okay? All right? All right, all right, 3:12:25.080 --> 3:12:29.440 so you you got to body? I got I got 3:12:29.920 --> 3:12:30.560 a Runners drink. 3:12:30.600 --> 3:12:34.080 I'm taking this, don't you? 3:12:35.480 --> 3:12:37.920 Yeah? You do me under the bus. 3:12:39.120 --> 3:12:41.199 I just thought the story behind it was so dope. 3:12:41.280 --> 3:12:43.320 I mean, I want to take something that. 3:12:43.440 --> 3:12:46.640 Runners is just with but hold on, holdt me, just 3:12:46.680 --> 3:12:53.920 take me and I'm a partner right here. Yes, we 3:12:54.120 --> 3:12:57.360 love hip hop, man, absolutely. I might love the more 3:12:57.959 --> 3:13:01.720 fashionable part of hip hop. He might love the grittiest 3:13:01.800 --> 3:13:04.000 part of hip hop, but me and him have the 3:13:04.120 --> 3:13:07.560 same exact passion. And when we know that we have 3:13:07.879 --> 3:13:12.480 fucking Freddy, we were so excited. We both like, I 3:13:12.640 --> 3:13:16.119 love the fact that no matter where we at in life, 3:13:17.040 --> 3:13:21.320 we always come together and say, this is what we 3:13:21.480 --> 3:13:24.720 want to do. Wow. And when we have a person 3:13:24.840 --> 3:13:28.960 like you, we want to salute you, we want to 3:13:29.040 --> 3:13:31.520 respect you, and we want to let the people know 3:13:33.560 --> 3:13:37.280 how much you should be honored. And we are going 3:13:37.360 --> 3:13:40.920 to honor you. And we are honoring you. Everybody here, 3:13:42.320 --> 3:13:45.080 We sincerely, this is this is real ship, bro. Like 3:13:45.920 --> 3:13:51.200 I came home you know to watch your own TV raps. Wow, 3:13:52.840 --> 3:13:58.520 and that ship that shit changed the culture, changed lives, man, 3:13:59.080 --> 3:14:05.720 And I will never ever in my life not respect that. 3:14:06.080 --> 3:14:08.360 So you don't have to take a shot if they 3:14:08.400 --> 3:14:08.880 don't want to. 3:14:10.520 --> 3:14:11.279 I'm tasting. 3:14:13.680 --> 3:14:14.280 That's what I do. 3:14:14.400 --> 3:14:18.760 I'm gonna taste some cinnamon whiskey. The brand is fire. 3:14:18.840 --> 3:14:21.119 But take the mother the fact that people. 3:14:24.800 --> 3:14:30.000 How you the guy stop taping, Yo, just taste good. 3:14:30.080 --> 3:14:32.560 It's like I told you, like like mouthwash. 3:14:34.879 --> 3:14:38.960 They call them drinks li coure that you mix with 3:14:41.120 --> 3:14:48.720 it tastes good. They give you the means yea more 3:14:48.800 --> 3:14:52.480 time on your yeah. Let me tell you something, man, 3:14:53.000 --> 3:14:55.280 thank you so much, thank you for what you did, 3:14:55.560 --> 3:15:00.760 because I want you to on a Sunday, on a Sunday, 3:15:01.000 --> 3:15:05.400 on a Sunday, I want you to open up it's 3:15:05.520 --> 3:15:11.760 called black Internet is open it up and it's gonna 3:15:11.760 --> 3:15:16.720 be fifteen million podcasts if you could look at it. 3:15:17.879 --> 3:15:23.360 And I want you to say to the y'all, owe 3:15:23.440 --> 3:15:28.080 me flowers. Because the first black media that made it 3:15:28.240 --> 3:15:37.920 cool national worldwide. You said Germany, you mentioned Italy. Yeah, 3:15:38.840 --> 3:15:42.160 God bless me. That's that's the reason why I said 3:15:42.200 --> 3:15:45.119 that story earlier with Rolf McDaniels, with Rob m daniels, 3:15:45.120 --> 3:15:47.560 we were so cocky, we were so but it was 3:15:47.760 --> 3:15:53.840 really only just New York. You had the chance to 3:15:53.959 --> 3:15:59.640 do MTV and broadcasting. You made black people all over 3:15:59.680 --> 3:16:04.520 the world world be seen. And I will always salute 3:16:04.560 --> 3:16:07.000 you for that. Man, hip hop in general, hip hop, 3:16:07.760 --> 3:16:10.160 thank you man. You just you just fab five for 3:16:12.320 --> 3:16:22.039 on the planetop. But I want to tell you face 3:16:22.080 --> 3:16:25.200 to face, man, man, we love you and God bless you, 3:16:25.360 --> 3:16:25.879 Thank you man. 3:16:26.280 --> 3:16:30.480 You guys man, this is definitely one of my top 3:16:30.720 --> 3:16:34.440 hip hop media experiences. Yes, because you guys are so 3:16:34.600 --> 3:16:38.520 passionate I've watched salute on ten years in the game, 3:16:38.720 --> 3:16:39.960 like you can feel it. 3:16:40.080 --> 3:16:41.279 It's and even. 3:16:41.080 --> 3:16:44.480 Everybody in the room that's down, I've heard people clapping. 3:16:44.560 --> 3:16:46.360 I get to see everybody up in the building. 3:16:46.959 --> 3:16:48.039 This is really special. 3:16:48.200 --> 3:16:50.600 You guys are doing it so salute to doing something 3:16:50.720 --> 3:16:57.040 so real and definitely carrying on like literally the baton 3:16:57.240 --> 3:16:58.240 in terms of realness. 3:16:58.920 --> 3:16:59.320 This is it. 3:16:59.560 --> 3:17:02.600 I mean, you don't fake this ship. That's why people 3:17:02.879 --> 3:17:04.360 try you guys. 3:17:09.320 --> 3:17:22.119 Yes, yes, uh h you on like white people's shows. 3:17:23.720 --> 3:17:27.400 And I said, this is squad because it's like, all right, cool, 3:17:27.400 --> 3:17:30.640 I've seen what what like MV like my man, I mean, 3:17:30.879 --> 3:17:33.680 man like certain like when I was watching your interviews 3:17:33.760 --> 3:17:36.200 that I watched black and I watched and I was, 3:17:36.240 --> 3:17:38.199 you know, I'm trying to you know, trying to be official, 3:17:38.200 --> 3:17:39.880 you know what I'm saying. But when I see you 3:17:40.440 --> 3:17:41.960 and I'm like, yo, you know how to do that? 3:17:42.240 --> 3:17:45.600 But think about this is your gift, my brother, in 3:17:45.800 --> 3:17:47.880 just in case you don't know, you know how to 3:17:48.040 --> 3:17:52.320 move in difference audiences. You know how to move a 3:17:52.360 --> 3:17:56.000 different our gifts. Man, that's a real gift, bro, Like, 3:17:56.160 --> 3:18:00.320 don't don't downplay that, like, don't ever like ignow is that, 3:18:00.440 --> 3:18:03.200 Like I was watching you because I want to do 3:18:03.320 --> 3:18:05.960 my job, but I'm like, I'm looking at it. I'm like, 3:18:06.280 --> 3:18:09.480 that's not something that you have to teach that to yourself, right, 3:18:09.600 --> 3:18:14.720 That comes from Yeah, my bad, that's a false sense 3:18:14.800 --> 3:18:19.640 of of of learning. Right. So it's like I adapt 3:18:19.680 --> 3:18:23.760 to every room that I'm in, right, no matter what. 3:18:23.920 --> 3:18:24.680 Woman that I'm in. 3:18:25.840 --> 3:18:29.560 Prison allowed us the time to like read things, study things, 3:18:29.600 --> 3:18:32.000 and sting like that. So it's like, if I'm in 3:18:32.080 --> 3:18:35.320 a peaceful room, I'm peaceful. If I'm in a room 3:18:35.400 --> 3:18:39.680 on some bullshit, then I'm with that too. If I'm 3:18:39.760 --> 3:18:42.160 on a room, that's that's If I'm in a room 3:18:42.240 --> 3:18:45.560 that's about progression, then that's what we're talking about. 3:18:45.800 --> 3:18:46.440 That's what we're on. 3:18:48.320 --> 3:18:54.440 Adaptation, adaptation, right, being able to adapt, that's the way 3:18:54.480 --> 3:18:55.080 you stay here. 3:18:56.480 --> 3:18:59.520 We ain't always gonna be hot nigga, be like, oh 3:18:59.560 --> 3:19:01.120 you watch stuff. You old nigga. 3:19:01.160 --> 3:19:04.840 You ain't who you used to be. But that don't 3:19:04.879 --> 3:19:07.600 define you. You still gotta you still got to be 3:19:07.640 --> 3:19:09.920 able to turn those corners. So being able to adapt 3:19:10.000 --> 3:19:12.000 to the times, to be able to adapt to climate, 3:19:12.080 --> 3:19:13.080 to be able to adapt. 3:19:12.840 --> 3:19:15.720 To the wounds that we're in. No nigga, that's me. 3:19:16.360 --> 3:19:19.880 But I mean that's not normal. Like you, you're a 3:19:19.959 --> 3:19:23.240 genius man, like trust me. Like I I was, I 3:19:23.400 --> 3:19:27.520 was taking a jog this morning. Well my boy Henry, 3:19:28.440 --> 3:19:31.119 and I was watching all your interviews, watching it all, 3:19:31.520 --> 3:19:34.039 and I was like, Yo, this dude is mad smart 3:19:35.000 --> 3:19:39.000 like and it made me mad that six years ago 3:19:39.480 --> 3:19:41.320 people well that's all they were saying, Oh, you're a 3:19:41.360 --> 3:19:44.520 street dude, your doug dude. And I'm looking at your 3:19:44.600 --> 3:19:47.600 progress to where you're at. I'm like, yo, man, you 3:19:47.760 --> 3:19:49.000 you're a smart dude. Bro. 3:19:49.200 --> 3:19:52.720 Me being a street nigga is smart is a footnote 3:19:52.760 --> 3:19:55.840 in my life. Bro, that's a little that's a small 3:19:55.920 --> 3:19:57.440 part of my life. I look, you know what I'm saying. 3:19:57.959 --> 3:20:00.039 Look that ain't. 3:20:02.200 --> 3:20:04.040 That ain't gonna be ever be something that I denied. 3:20:04.120 --> 3:20:05.720 That ain't ever gonna be something that I'm ashamed of. 3:20:05.920 --> 3:20:07.800 That where I come from, what I come from, what 3:20:07.879 --> 3:20:13.120 I've been through the issues that I had. Yeah, but 3:20:13.280 --> 3:20:16.840 that also helped define you, right, because what you've been 3:20:16.920 --> 3:20:19.120 through helped shopping you in a certain way to make 3:20:19.200 --> 3:20:19.840 you who you are. 3:20:20.120 --> 3:20:21.840 Right, whatever it's meant to be will be. 3:20:22.840 --> 3:20:25.960 So it's like, yeah, I've been through prisons, I've been 3:20:26.000 --> 3:20:33.480 through wars, I've been through I've been through extreme violent situations. Right, 3:20:36.000 --> 3:20:36.800 l L told me this. 3:20:37.360 --> 3:20:39.680 L L told me say, Yo, don't let your past 3:20:39.680 --> 3:20:43.200 failures handcuffed. M hmm, I said what you mean? He said, 3:20:44.120 --> 3:20:48.080 Then you might drop a white album. It won't sell, 3:20:48.720 --> 3:20:52.720 But the fuck that keep going? Nigga act like act 3:20:52.800 --> 3:20:55.000 like you did. Nigga, act like you just went platinum. 3:20:56.200 --> 3:20:58.880 Don't let your past failures and that and that that 3:21:00.120 --> 3:21:02.320 that's attributed to every angle of life. 3:21:02.480 --> 3:21:04.280 If you didn't been in prison, you've been in the street. 3:21:04.360 --> 3:21:07.480 Like just because you started one way, that doesn't determine 3:21:07.520 --> 3:21:12.400 how you finish. So what we've been involved in this, 3:21:12.760 --> 3:21:15.560 that don't mean that we can't put our suits on 3:21:15.720 --> 3:21:18.039 and sit in these rooms and talk to these. 3:21:17.959 --> 3:21:23.600 People about life and build on some progress. They don't 3:21:23.680 --> 3:21:23.920 mean that. 3:21:25.000 --> 3:21:26.480 It don't mean that at all, my nigga. 3:21:27.000 --> 3:21:30.800 You know, Man, I can't thank you enough. 3:21:30.920 --> 3:21:32.200 Man, I thank you. 3:21:32.400 --> 3:21:34.200 Man. I wanted to give your flowers. 3:21:34.240 --> 3:21:35.840 Man, thank you for thank you for giving me my 3:21:35.879 --> 3:21:38.560 motherfucking flowers. I never had too many flowers. 3:21:42.240 --> 3:21:43.800 And fog. 3:21:43.959 --> 3:21:45.560 I want to put you on somethingcause I'm here. I'm 3:21:45.600 --> 3:21:49.480 down here for the weekend because a friend of mine 3:21:49.560 --> 3:21:54.039 is just open up a restaurant in Miami and. 3:21:57.280 --> 3:21:57.560 It is. 3:21:59.080 --> 3:22:02.520 Probably gonna be the the top restaurant in the city. 3:22:02.760 --> 3:22:03.280 Talk about it. 3:22:03.720 --> 3:22:09.080 It's called Nouveau. Shout out to my people, Ebony Caro, 3:22:09.360 --> 3:22:13.039 shout out the wrong. Shout out to Yandy because she's 3:22:13.080 --> 3:22:16.480 involved with that. It was yes, big grand opening last night. 3:22:16.720 --> 3:22:18.320 And this is why I'm down here. We out here 3:22:18.440 --> 3:22:21.160 celebrating that. You seeing what I'm saying is it's in 3:22:21.240 --> 3:22:24.320 one what Okay? So it's right here, right here there, 3:22:24.760 --> 3:22:26.840 right here. It's new Veau. 3:22:27.360 --> 3:22:28.040 What I'm telling you. 3:22:28.120 --> 3:22:29.840 The food is good? You like y'all? 3:22:29.959 --> 3:22:31.200 Come on, I've been right now. 3:22:32.280 --> 3:22:37.000 Yeah, we can do that, absolutely, absolutely, you can do that. 3:22:37.120 --> 3:22:43.640 All right, he can do that? Hey you do that? Yes, 3:22:44.080 --> 3:22:44.760 take the picture. 3:22:50.040 --> 3:22:53.360 Drink Champs is a Drink Champs ll C production hosts 3:22:53.440 --> 3:22:55.120 and executive producers n O. 3:22:55.320 --> 3:22:56.520 R E and d J. E. 3:22:56.760 --> 3:22:57.000 F N. 3:22:58.200 --> 3:23:02.320 Listen to Drink Champs on Apple Podcast, Amazon Music, Spotify, 3:23:02.600 --> 3:23:06.240 or wherever you get your podcasts. Thanks for joining us 3:23:06.280 --> 3:23:08.880 for another episode of Drink Champs, hosted by Yours Truly 3:23:09.040 --> 3:23:11.560 dj E f N and n O r E. 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