1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:03,960 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class from how 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: Stuff Works dot com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. 3 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: I'm Holly Fry, Tracy V. Wilson. Hey Tracy, what last 4 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 1: month we had a little podcast adventure together. Did so 5 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 1: on the off chance that you didn't hear about it. 6 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 1: Tracy and I went to New York to be part 7 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 1: of New York super Week and we had a blast 8 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: doing our first live show, and now we get to 9 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: share that with all of the people who didn't get 10 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 1: to be there in person. So they're going to basically 11 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 1: do this in two parts. Uh. Today's part is the 12 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:45,199 Speaker 1: the live party podcast portion of the live shows. So 13 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:47,240 Speaker 1: you know, our podcast there in the thirty to forty 14 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 1: minute long range most of the time. Our our live 15 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 1: show was an hour and a half. So today's part, 16 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: we're gonna talk to Brian Young about presidential assassination. Yeah. 17 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 1: He is a really fabulous gentleman and a writer, and 18 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 1: he wrote this amazing book about presidential assassination and attempts 19 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: for children, and we're gonna talk in this first segment 20 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: of the podcast about how he came to write this 21 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:17,680 Speaker 1: book for kids and also how his daughter's Scout ended 22 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 1: up illustrating part of it. So let's hop right into 23 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:28,679 Speaker 1: lifetime with Tracy and Holly. You should bring out our 24 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:40,039 Speaker 1: amazing guest, who is Brian Young? I know Brian, have 25 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: a seat, young man. Hello, Brian, Hello, Hello, So as 26 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: all ours, all our text seeming to work back there. Yes, 27 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 1: it all sounds great. Little did Brian know he would 28 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: also get drafted into technical work tonight. This, this is 29 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: what it is. Before we start, I have to do 30 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: a quick brief announcement. All right, we have a birthday 31 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: in the audience, so Ross, we want to say happy 32 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 1: birthday to you. Your girlfriend Joan wrote us to tell 33 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: us we needed to say happy birthday. So happy birthday, 34 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:15,359 Speaker 1: wherever you are, raise your hands, Happy Birthday. I'm not 35 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: I'm not suggesting we actually do this. Know however, if 36 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 1: we did want to sing happy Birthday, we could legally 37 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 1: you do it now, Yeah, but let's not for copyright. 38 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:33,519 Speaker 1: I honestly don't remember if I mentioned during that podcast 39 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: I hate I hate everybody sounds tuneless and horrible singing 40 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: that song. My husband will tell you about how I 41 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 1: have shut down restaurant staff and made them very afraid 42 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 1: for starting the song. And then I'm like, I got it, 43 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: so I don't. I don't. I don't love it. No shade, 44 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:52,079 Speaker 1: happy birthday if you love it, but it's not for me. 45 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 1: We we don't need to sing, but we could if 46 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:56,919 Speaker 1: we wanted to. We would not have to make Happy 47 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:01,359 Speaker 1: birthday Ross. Thank you for coming. I hope it's grant. Yeah. 48 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 1: So we're gonna talk to it to Brian for a 49 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:05,679 Speaker 1: while about presidential assassinations, and then we are going to 50 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: do some Q and A afterward. That's the plan. The plan, 51 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 1: and then time permitting, we could even do a little 52 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: meat and greet afterwards if we haven't taken too long 53 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: with Q and A. So it's up to you, guys 54 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: to balance your questions with your desire for a time 55 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: up clothes. I don't know if that's going to start 56 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: any fights or fisticuffs, but I would like to witness both. Sure, 57 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 1: Tracy has or whatever. We want to say anything about 58 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: yourself before we climb onto the question party train. Do 59 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: you want to talk more about how fabulous you are? You? 60 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 1: You're you're too kind to me? No, I seriously adore Brian. 61 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 1: He's like a sibling to me at this point, So 62 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: I say I'm glad you're here. I mostly want to 63 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 1: know that I've been on stage for eight minutes and 64 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: I've already splashed water on myself street. I think we 65 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: should now just all splash water and a family affair. Really, 66 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: So to kick off, I will as the question what 67 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: on earth prompted you to go? You know what kids 68 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 1: need is a book about presidential as fascination. Well, I 69 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 1: was wandering around Washington, d C. And uh, I had 70 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 1: a writer's group out there and we'd go out every 71 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:18,479 Speaker 1: every year and just kind of visit museums. And I 72 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 1: found myself looking for breakfast, and uh, Google told me 73 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 1: that there was Lincoln's waffle House, and so I go 74 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 1: there and I eat waffles. And I realized as I'm 75 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: sitting there eating waffles, that Fords Theaters across the street. 76 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: Because where else with Lincoln's waffle House? Right, that's just natural? Um. 77 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 1: So I went over and the museum was amazing, and 78 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 1: you know, you go through this wonderful installation, you go upstairs, 79 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 1: they show you the booth where where Lincoln was was shot, 80 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 1: and it's just sort of crippling almost, like how emotionally 81 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: you can get over like this is something that happened here. Um, 82 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: and they have like everything. They've got the gun that 83 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 1: that shot him, They've got the clothes the conductor was 84 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: wearing when Booth like knife him. And uh. I came 85 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: home from this and was telling my kids about it, 86 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 1: and my daughter, Scout was about eight, eight years old 87 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 1: at the time, and she was like, wait a second, 88 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:13,159 Speaker 1: back up here, people have killed presidents, like this is 89 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:16,279 Speaker 1: a thing that happens, Like how why why would you 90 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: do this? How would that happen? And uh So we 91 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 1: went around and we were looking for books that would 92 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 1: be able to contextualize it in a way that an 93 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 1: eight year old would care about, and there were none 94 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 1: at all, shocking a huge gap in the market, and 95 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: so I was like, well, maybe I'll put something together 96 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: so I can kind of really dive into it, because 97 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: at that point, like, um, you know, the only thing 98 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: were the pictures that I had shown her. And like 99 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 1: three days later I came home and she she had 100 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 1: like on her wall like this series of photographs. There 101 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: are a series of drawings she'd made, and she's like, 102 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 1: here's Lincoln, here's Booth, here's the gun that killed Lincoln. 103 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 1: And I'm like, what, let's let's get you some more 104 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 1: context on this. And and because there wasn't anything, um, 105 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 1: I went I found a publisher and came up with 106 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 1: a proposal and they were like, let's illustrate it because 107 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: I think kids need some context there. And I got 108 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:17,039 Speaker 1: into researching and I realized this wasn't going to be 109 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:18,919 Speaker 1: about four people. This was going to be about a 110 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 1: lot of people. And uh, and Scout actually got to 111 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 1: do some illustrations in the book, to which I think 112 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: are like my favorite thing. They're so charming, they're really 113 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 1: really cute and oddly affecting at times. Yeah, when you 114 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: see it sort of through a kid's eyes, you realized 115 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 1: sort of the almost visceral like immediacy of it. And 116 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 1: it's lovely. It is no, because it's very raw. They're 117 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: not editing. She's not like, how can I make this pretty? 118 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 1: She's just getting it on the page. I mean, she 119 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:49,799 Speaker 1: read the story, she read the chapter on Kennedy, and 120 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 1: she did this giant, beautiful watercolor painting of it. And 121 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 1: Jackie Kennedy crying over the body of JFK through the 122 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 1: lens of like an eight year old is actually pretty powerful. 123 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 1: It is, it's very affecting. Go scout. Yeah, that's also 124 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: a charming game. It is she uh Brian wins in 125 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: the children Naming Arenas. So, before I read this book, 126 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: sort of in my imagination, most presidential assassinations were probably 127 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: for political reasons that would seem pretty logical, and the 128 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: ones that we know the most about, especially Lincoln, Okay, 129 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: that was obviously for political reasons. But then we read 130 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 1: the book and it turns out that most of them 131 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 1: were for delusional reasons. Did you expect that to be 132 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: the case? I didn't. I mean when when you hear 133 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: about it, like Lincoln is the one you hear about, 134 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: and that's sort of uh yeah. John Wilkes Booth was 135 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 1: not happy with the political situation in the country, and 136 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: it was a war, and sort of killing the leader 137 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: of the opposit team is something that that goes through 138 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: slightly rational people's minds, you know. Um. So in that case, 139 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: it was almost like he was from a different country. 140 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: He wasn't an American citizen. He was a Confederate and 141 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: he was fighting a war. Um. But a lot of 142 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: these other guys were just insane. They were crazy people. Um. 143 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 1: And and Lee Harvey Oswald is is interesting because that's 144 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: the other one we think about a lot, and it's like, 145 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 1: I don't think anybody has any idea what what was 146 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: going through his mind? Was it like, what was going 147 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 1: on with that guy? I'm not sure. So it could 148 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 1: have been delusions, it could have been political reasons, but 149 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 1: there wasn't any immediately apparent reason that we know for sure, 150 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 1: because Jack Ruby kind of eliminated that positive into his 151 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 1: own hands. Yeah, and uh, but most of the others 152 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 1: were Yeah, crazy people. I don't know. We can talk 153 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: about any We have some some specific ones that we're 154 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: gonna talk about. Um, do you want to do you 155 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: want to jump ahead or do you want to sort 156 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 1: of stay in the order that we have however you'd 157 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 1: like okay? Um, So, I think most adults and you 158 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:08,079 Speaker 1: guys correct me if I'm wrong, you can easily name 159 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 1: two assassinated presidents. You might struggle a little with the 160 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: other two, but then when you get to the attempts, 161 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 1: it gets super fuzzy. I'm I couldn't just pull them 162 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 1: out of my head for sure. Um. So, I wonder 163 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 1: if as you're writing this for children and you're doing 164 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 1: research and having a lot of discoveries yourself, how much 165 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 1: did you realize, like I also have to make this 166 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: palatable for an adult audience. Um a lot. I mean 167 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 1: part of I think history is engaging to everyone if 168 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:36,839 Speaker 1: you present it like it's a story, which is why 169 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 1: I love listening to you guys so much, Like you 170 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: contextualize things in a way that's very easy storytelling. And 171 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: my kids like listening to it too. Um, they don't 172 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:51,439 Speaker 1: have a choice, but but they listen anyway. Um. And uh. 173 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 1: But you look at history books and this was the 174 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: problem when we were trying to find a book for Scout, Like, 175 00:09:56,640 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 1: it's very dry, it's very methodical, abo out the dates 176 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: and the times and and what was going on, and 177 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: there's nothing that really kind of gives you this sweeping Um, 178 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 1: this was sort of the essence of this person at 179 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: the point where they almost sort did meet their fate. 180 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: And I was definitely writing it with that shared audience 181 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:21,199 Speaker 1: in mine. I wanted parents to read this to their 182 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 1: kids and be able to talk to them. You can't 183 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 1: hand a kid a book on presidential assassination and just 184 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 1: say go. You have to you have to talk to 185 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:34,199 Speaker 1: them about it. You have to, uh, you know, you 186 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:36,719 Speaker 1: have to engage with them about it because they're going 187 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 1: to have questions, just like scouted that first time. I 188 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: was like, I went to Ford's Theater and she's like, 189 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 1: what's that. It's like, well, that's where President Lincoln was killed. 190 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: Somebody killed President Lincoln, like like it wasn't settled history 191 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: for her yet, and so you can't. You have to. 192 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: You have to make it so like I've read a 193 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 1: lot of books to my kids, and not all of 194 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 1: them were fun for me to read, and that was 195 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 1: sort of my goal with this, was to make it 196 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: fun for me to read as well as the kids 197 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 1: and get them enough information that everyone might be surprised 198 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 1: that makes sense. It does, and it is a super 199 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: good read. I mean, I I'm not joking. I love 200 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 1: this book. Yeah, well, and I have, I think read 201 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 1: it twice preparing for this. I liked it a lot, 202 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: and I also completely see how it should be relevant. 203 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:27,839 Speaker 1: Even though my mom did explain to me where babies 204 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:29,959 Speaker 1: came from by handing me a book and saying, there 205 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: you go. Really, because my parents were literally like, you've 206 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 1: probably learned this on the street. They didn't. They didn't 207 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 1: want to talk about any of that. This Well my 208 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 1: mom didn't either. Well that's why she was like, book, 209 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: there you go. That's why I'm a raven claw. So 210 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:52,959 Speaker 1: I was startled by how many people or how many 211 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 1: presidents have had assassination attempts on them? Yeah, you don't 212 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 1: think about that a lot. There were a couple that 213 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: I absolutely had never even heard of. Truman was one 214 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 1: that when I when I was like looking up presidential 215 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: assassination attempts, and I was like, who wanted to kill Truman? 216 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: Like when when did that happen? And then you read 217 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: it and it's just like this bloody action movie. Yeah. Um. 218 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 1: And and so that one surprised me. But the one 219 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 1: that I found that made me knew I had a 220 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 1: book because I think if it was just the four 221 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 1: that had been assassinated, there wouldn't be a book there 222 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 1: because every story ends poorly. But it was getting to 223 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: it was getting to Andrew Jackson's attempt um because Andrew 224 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 1: Jackson was the first president who had an attempt on 225 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 1: his life. And it's just a fun story. That's an 226 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 1: action movie I would love to watch. You could even 227 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 1: write it as an action comedy. You really, let's go 228 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 1: ahead and talk about that one. Because I was I 229 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: had a note that we needed to talk about that one, 230 00:12:49,920 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 1: for sure, So let's get rid to it. And here 231 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:03,079 Speaker 1: the rather astounding story of the man who tried to 232 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 1: kill Andrew Jackson, which this story features a pretty interesting 233 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 1: and fun historical cameo. So Andrew Jackson obviously not the 234 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 1: nicest guy in the world, and he did a lot 235 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 1: of horrible things during his presidency, um, like the Trail 236 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 1: of Tears for instance. And uh, there were a lot 237 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: of political reasons where someone and this is why I assumed, like, well, 238 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 1: of course somebody tried to kill Andrew Jackson, but that 239 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 1: is not the reason anyone wanted to kill him. So uh, 240 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 1: Andrew Jackson was president and a house painter from Washington, 241 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: d c. Named Richard Lawrence went crazy because of all 242 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 1: of the lead he was using in his paint, and 243 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:52,079 Speaker 1: he developed delusions. He he thought he was the King 244 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 1: of England, um, which I have to say, there's an 245 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: excellent illustration in the book of him painting a house 246 00:13:57,400 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 1: and reaching this delusional state where he's like the kind 247 00:13:59,880 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 1: of good and it's so delightful. And the other, the 248 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 1: other really delightful one is the one that's his thought 249 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:08,839 Speaker 1: process of I'm going to kill the president and then 250 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 1: I'm going to get money, and then I will be 251 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:15,440 Speaker 1: Richard the third. Well, that's like there's sound flow chart 252 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 1: work there there. Well, that's that's the interesting thing about it. 253 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: His delusion was that he was the king of England 254 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 1: and that the American government owed him a sum of money, 255 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 1: and that Andrew Jackson was the thing preventing him from 256 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 1: from getting that sum of money. And once he killed 257 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 1: the president and acquired this money, he would be able 258 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 1: to sail to England and regain his throne. And so 259 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 1: he bought a pair of derringer pistols and began to 260 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: stalk Andrew Jackson around Washington, d C. And this was 261 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 1: at a time where there wasn't you know, security, You 262 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: could just walk into the White House and have a 263 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: meeting with the President if you were in Washington, d C. 264 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: And he there's a funeral for a congressman, I believe. 265 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 1: And there Andrew Jackson is coming out of the Capital 266 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: Rotunda and he's coming out of the East portico and 267 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 1: Richard Lawrence leaps out and goes to fire his first deringer, 268 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 1: but it misfires, and then he pulls out another derringer 269 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 1: and it also misfires, and Andrew Jackson gives him a 270 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 1: piece of old hickory. Uh he he beats him with 271 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: his cane until the crowd can subdue him. And and 272 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 1: the person who helps subdue the man is Congressman Davy Crockett, 273 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 1: who hated Andrew Jackson, and uh Like as soon as 274 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: I got to like, wait a second, are you saying 275 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 1: Davy Crockett helped foil the first presidential assassination attempt? Like 276 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 1: That's when I was like, there's a book here that 277 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 1: was not on the Disney Show at all, but it 278 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: could have been like that so could have been. It 279 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 1: could have That always gives me so many questions. One, 280 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 1: he's clearly deligional, because why would you use derringers, Like 281 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 1: I don't if you guys don't know. Derringers used to 282 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: be called garter guns. They were for ladies. They're very small, 283 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 1: they're not very powerful. It was lead paint, I know, right, 284 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: But but to you, I also hate Andrew Jackson because 285 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: I grew up as a child in Florida and I 286 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: had to be in this horrible play about Andrew Jackson 287 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 1: called Andrew Jackson Father of our State, and there was 288 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 1: tremendously bad songs there was tears. It was like an 289 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 1: Irish funeral. There was keening and tearing of hair, and 290 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: I just have bad Andrew Jackson flashbacks. The more interesting 291 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 1: thing about the Derringers that that I put in the 292 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 1: book because I thought it was very interesting, is that 293 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: the Smithsonian kept the derringers. Like they arrested this guy, 294 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 1: they didn't execute the money. They put him in an 295 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 1: inside like this guy is clearly crazy, We're sorry, and 296 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 1: they just put them away. Um. But the Smithsonian, they 297 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 1: keep everything, and so they had these derringers. So in 298 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 1: the nineteen thirties, they the historians that we're working, they 299 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: were like, let's pull those out and see, like why 300 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 1: they misfired. And they both fired on the first shot, 301 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 1: and they're inconsistent. They are inconsistent, but generally um, they 302 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: they worked out the odds that they would both miss, 303 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: that they would both misfire on that day was like 304 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 1: one in a thousand and so Jackson was very like 305 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 1: the best guests they can come up with is either 306 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 1: like he didn't load them properly, which is possible because 307 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 1: of the lead paint, or or that maybe it was 308 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 1: too humid in Washington, d C. The day the event 309 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:21,879 Speaker 1: happened and it just didn't spark and and maybe they 310 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 1: were too wet or moist or something. I will do it. Yeah, 311 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 1: I think we should. We should start using this story 312 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 1: as an example when when when when people are angry 313 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 1: when you talk about consumer product safety in some way 314 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 1: on the podcast and people are like, there's too much regulation. Well, 315 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 1: once upon a time, because we had lead in paint, 316 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 1: somebody tried to choose the president. Then we'll get like 317 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:48,159 Speaker 1: the lead paint lobbyists really angry. Maybe so well, and 318 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 1: then also there's the whole part that at that time 319 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:54,400 Speaker 1: they were basically just crowdsourcing presidential security like forever was around. 320 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: If somebody's trying to kill the president, you tackle that guy. 321 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:01,239 Speaker 1: Where is Davy Crocket when I need him? Um us 322 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 1: talking about his mental illness, which is terribly sad, makes 323 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 1: me wonder, since you really dug into a lot of 324 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 1: these stories and they do reveal themselves to have generally 325 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:12,159 Speaker 1: kind of sad characters that are really dealing with some 326 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:15,400 Speaker 1: mental problems, did you ever find yourself sort of sympathizing 327 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:18,239 Speaker 1: or just like, oh man, if only your life had 328 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 1: gone slightly different. Yeah, No, they're absolutely worth there was 329 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 1: there was the guy that, um, I think it was 330 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:30,239 Speaker 1: Giuseppe Zingara who tried to shoot Franklin Roosevelt, and he 331 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:32,399 Speaker 1: was just like he was poor, he was a worker, 332 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:34,440 Speaker 1: He was an Italian immigrant who had fought in World 333 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:37,719 Speaker 1: War One and he he literally just had like this 334 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:40,120 Speaker 1: pain in his gut and he just kind of went 335 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: crazy with it and decided Franklin Roosevelt wasn't helping the um, 336 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 1: you know, the little people, and uh, he he tried 337 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:53,200 Speaker 1: to kill Franklin Roosevelt because of it. And when they 338 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 1: sentence him to death, he was, you know, his only 339 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 1: defense was like, it was this pain in my gut 340 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:00,679 Speaker 1: and the voices were telling me to do it, and 341 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 1: I don't like it, and it was like that guy 342 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 1: just needed a doctor. Yeah. Um. There was some others 343 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 1: to where the guy who killed McKinley um was doing 344 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 1: it for political reasons. But the kicker for me was 345 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 1: that he goes to kill McKinley because he doesn't think 346 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 1: McKinley is a friend to the working man. Because McKinley 347 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: was um doing some things with banks that that he 348 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 1: didn't necessarily agree with and thought would would hurt the 349 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 1: working class, and he shoots McKinley in the stomach, and 350 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 1: the crowd just instantly turns on this guy and they 351 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 1: start beating him senselessly, and the only person shouting for 352 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:43,159 Speaker 1: his defense is McKinley, shouting, don't hurt him. Boys, Like 353 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 1: he didn't know what he was doing. Like the one 354 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 1: guy he thought was the enemy of everybody is the 355 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 1: one pleading for his defense shot in the gut. Um. So, 356 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:54,880 Speaker 1: I don't know. There were a lot of heartbreaking stories 357 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:58,160 Speaker 1: like that. Actually, yeah, well, in his attempt, there's another thing. 358 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 1: You keep bringing up the ones that I'm no, don't don't, 359 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 1: don't apologize, you keep bringing up the ones that I'm 360 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:05,919 Speaker 1: I'm going to ask you about. His attempt was so 361 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:10,920 Speaker 1: he had to climb on a chair. Oh, giessepe Zangara, Yeah, 362 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:14,880 Speaker 1: like so, so when he was going to kill Franklin Roosevelt, Um, 363 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 1: giessepe Zangara was he he was like barely five ft tall, 364 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:22,400 Speaker 1: he was just under five ft tall. And Roosevelt had 365 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 1: won the election, but he was still the president elect 366 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:29,119 Speaker 1: and he was kind of touring the country and he's 367 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:32,640 Speaker 1: at this event with the mayor of Chicago and there's 368 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 1: a lot of people around, and if you're just under 369 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 1: four ft, you can't see over a crowd at all 370 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:42,959 Speaker 1: under five ft. It's he was four ft something, so 371 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 1: he's just under five ft, can't he can't see over 372 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:48,440 Speaker 1: the crowd. So he gets a wooden folding chair and 373 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:51,120 Speaker 1: pulls it into the crowd and just starts firing wildly 374 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 1: at Roosevelt's procession, and he proceeds to hit everyone but 375 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 1: Roosevelt um and he hits the mayor of Chicago, Anton 376 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 1: star Mac and Sermach like literally he's hit and he's like, 377 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 1: I'm glad it was me and not you, Mr President, 378 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 1: like those were his words, and uh, Surmak lives for 379 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:13,400 Speaker 1: another like nineteen days, and Zangara's being held for attempted 380 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:17,879 Speaker 1: murder because he hasn't actually killed anyone yet, and so 381 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: they're just kind of holding him waiting like is the 382 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 1: mayor going to die? Is he not going to die? 383 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 1: How do we charge this guy? And uh in the meantime, 384 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 1: he's just sort of rotting in prison with his stomachache, 385 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 1: and uh, it's just fascinating how how all of these 386 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: things play out. And you think about, yes, he killed 387 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:38,880 Speaker 1: these people, but in that nineteen days, like he hadn't 388 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,159 Speaker 1: killed anybody. How do they deal with that? There was 389 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 1: a few of them, Um, you know McKinley's assassin too. 390 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 1: It was he hadn't killed anybody, you know, And and 391 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 1: they found that, like they could only like his maximum 392 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:56,160 Speaker 1: sentence was like ten years at that point. And it 393 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,439 Speaker 1: it's interesting now looking back at it. Yeah, well and 394 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: they didn't really have a limit. Fun how long could 395 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 1: just hold someone? Yeah, let's see how into murder instead 396 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 1: of attempted? Yeah? Yeah, Uh, to lighten the room a 397 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 1: little bit. Um. So, one of the things that I 398 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:15,880 Speaker 1: really loved in this book is you really go into 399 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 1: some fun details and side roads and bring up a 400 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,159 Speaker 1: lot of interesting things sort of along the way, Like 401 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 1: it's not just about presidential assassination, and you kind of 402 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: get these moments of what really Uh. There were some 403 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 1: really great bits of invention that happened when Garfield was 404 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 1: convalescing after he was shot, including even Alexander Graham Bell. Um, 405 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 1: can you talk a little bit about the bullet finder 406 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 1: and the air conditioner that we're both developed to help 407 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 1: treat him. So Alexander Graham Bell was trying to help. 408 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 1: He thought that he'd like develop a system to help 409 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: find the bullet in President Garfield, because President Garfield was 410 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 1: shot I think twice in the back and they couldn't 411 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 1: find the bullets. And Alexander Graham Bell developed this system. 412 00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: It's it's basically what you use in metal metal detectors. 413 00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 1: It's the same sort of idea, so you you wave 414 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 1: it over and it will be if it bounces back 415 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: against something metal. Um. And it didn't work in this 416 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 1: case because it was reading all of the metal springs 417 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 1: and the mattress beneath Garfield, so it didn't actually help 418 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: at all. UM. And then with Garfield, they were just 419 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 1: trying to keep him comfortable and it was oppressively hot 420 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 1: when this happened, and so uh, and I love every 421 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 1: bit of research I tried to do to find the 422 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 1: name of the Navy engineer who was in charge of this, 423 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 1: and another gentleman whose name I don't remember now, but 424 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 1: the other one, his name has lost him to history 425 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 1: as far as I'm aware. Um. In order to keep 426 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 1: him comfortable, they developed one of the first air conditioners. 427 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,640 Speaker 1: So they got literally six tons of ice and were 428 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 1: blowing air over it and piping it into where Garfield 429 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 1: was convalescing. Because it was just so oppressively hot, and 430 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:58,119 Speaker 1: he was just so uncomfortable and miserable. Uh, you know, 431 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:01,119 Speaker 1: with these bullets in his back, which we're getting poked 432 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,440 Speaker 1: at by people that didn't really know what they were doing. Yeah, 433 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,639 Speaker 1: that kind of happened with both of McKinley and Garfield. 434 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:08,400 Speaker 1: They got they got poked out a lot by people 435 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,400 Speaker 1: who didn't know what they were doing. There's an unfortunate 436 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 1: amount of and then they couldn't find the bullet because 437 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 1: they didn't really know how to do that yet. They 438 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 1: could have just dialed back that spring finder or just 439 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 1: got rid of the springs or moving onto the floor 440 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:28,440 Speaker 1: temporarily problem solver. Why were you, I'm telling you raping claw. 441 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't believe they realized it was the 442 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 1: mattress coils like immediately, Like it was like years later 443 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:38,880 Speaker 1: they're like, yeah, that probably interfered with it, um because 444 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 1: you're like it's just going off, like we don't know why. 445 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:45,399 Speaker 1: It's it's new technology. I don't know. You know, it 446 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,360 Speaker 1: should work, but it doesn't seem to be finding anything. 447 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:52,119 Speaker 1: It seems to be finding everything. And uh, you know, 448 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 1: years later they were like, I got those mattress spings 449 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:56,679 Speaker 1: had something to do with that. Somebody thought of it 450 00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:00,439 Speaker 1: while bathing one day. Yeah, that was I think. I 451 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 1: think Holly has another medical question. Oh I'm gonna apologize 452 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:09,679 Speaker 1: in advance, shallum, but it's fabulous. Okay. So, uh, both 453 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 1: Garfield and McKinley had some issues and they were shot right, 454 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:21,399 Speaker 1: but in their recovery they couldn't really eat all the time, 455 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 1: so they were given and you gloss right over this 456 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:29,159 Speaker 1: in your book nutritive enemas um, which is fascinating, right, 457 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,679 Speaker 1: I know it's gross, but then you go, huh um, 458 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 1: but he does gloss right over it. He just brings 459 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 1: it up and the I'm like, yeah, they got the 460 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 1: nutritive animals. And then he goes right on and I'm like, 461 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:39,120 Speaker 1: this is a book for kids. You need to get 462 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 1: the poop in there. That's what they want to hear about. 463 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,400 Speaker 1: So I was wondering why you just sort of blipped 464 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 1: right through that, because well, I don't usually like that stuff. 465 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 1: Kids love it. It's uh, it's kind of a little 466 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,639 Speaker 1: bit of a convoluted answer, but it's a funny one. 467 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 1: I think. Um, when I was a teenager watching the 468 00:25:56,160 --> 00:26:00,919 Speaker 1: Running Stimpy show, you remember the commercials for log um. 469 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:05,399 Speaker 1: So yeah, exactly so people. As a teenager, I was 470 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,639 Speaker 1: just like, oh, this is a hilarious satire of a 471 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 1: real commercial. But then when my kids were watching it, 472 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,880 Speaker 1: when they were like four or five, six, they came 473 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:14,440 Speaker 1: up to me and said, can we have a log? 474 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, oh, I get what they were 475 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,399 Speaker 1: doing now, Like this was a completely subversive thing to 476 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,119 Speaker 1: force my kids to ask me for a log and 477 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,919 Speaker 1: then have to explain to them like, um a, just 478 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,400 Speaker 1: go in the backyard or be like, you know, that's 479 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 1: not actually a product. And so my thinking was I 480 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 1: thought it would be really funny for a kid to 481 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 1: be reading this at the kitchen table and then peek 482 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 1: their head up and go, mom, what's a nutritive anomo? 483 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:48,639 Speaker 1: And that's why I kind of just glossed over it 484 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:53,360 Speaker 1: like a I just wanted to create that experience for people. Well, 485 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 1: it's good because you know, like the first time they 486 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 1: read it in the first instance, they're probably like what 487 00:26:57,880 --> 00:26:59,359 Speaker 1: is that? And the second time they're like, I gotta 488 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 1: figure this out. So that's that. Yeah, it's as simple 489 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 1: as that. It was. It was basically a rent and 490 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 1: stimpy gag that works. I want to talk about that 491 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 1: time that Teddy Roosevelt gave a speech while shot. Yeah. Um, 492 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 1: and this is Teddy Roosevelt was probably one of my 493 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 1: favorite chapters to write, because that guy lived a lot 494 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:27,439 Speaker 1: of life, um, and it was really interesting. He was 495 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 1: one of the few people who wasn't actually president still 496 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:34,399 Speaker 1: when the assassination attampt happ happened. But he was running 497 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:38,399 Speaker 1: for his third term after he'd handed everything over to 498 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 1: Taft and saw that Taft bungled everything and sold out 499 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 1: every ideal he ever had to, um, you know, the trusts, 500 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 1: and so he was campaigning really hard on the campaign 501 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 1: trail and no one to that time had had got 502 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 1: a third term. And there was this bartender named John 503 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:03,400 Speaker 1: Shrank who what his job Mysteriously one day, um got 504 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,680 Speaker 1: into the Bible like he was super religious, and then 505 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,199 Speaker 1: said that the ghost of William McKinley went to him 506 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:14,400 Speaker 1: and said, you need to avenge me because Roosevelt got 507 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 1: promoted to the presidency in the first place because of 508 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:23,160 Speaker 1: McKinley's assassination. And he started stalking Roosevelt around the country 509 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 1: and got a ticket to mil Milwaukee where Roosevelt was campaigning, 510 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 1: and Um, you go to he's well, there's kind of 511 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:36,879 Speaker 1: two ways to talk about the story. The first is 512 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 1: that everybody kind of tells it wrong, and and we 513 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 1: hear the story where it's just like he was shot 514 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 1: at a speech and he kept giving the speech, and 515 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 1: it's so much more interesting than that, um, which is 516 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 1: what I couldn't figure out because when I started to 517 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 1: research and it was like, oh, he was shot at 518 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,080 Speaker 1: a speech, and then I'm like, wait a second, this 519 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 1: is way cooler than this. So he's eating dinner at 520 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 1: the hotel across town before he's giving the speech and 521 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 1: Shrank shoots him between dinner and the car that's going 522 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 1: to take him to the speech, and they take Shrank, 523 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 1: they arrest him, and Roosevelt is in the car arguing 524 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 1: with his people and the bullet has gone through his 525 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:23,479 Speaker 1: glasses case and his fifty page speech and lodged in 526 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 1: his chest where he's bleeding from. And his people are like, 527 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 1: cancel the speech. We're going to the hospital, and he's like, 528 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 1: I'm not coughing blood, what's your problem, Like, let's get 529 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 1: to the speech. And they're like miss you know, like Colonel, 530 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 1: like we're not we're not doing this, Like you've got 531 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 1: a bullet in you, like, you can't go to the speech. 532 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 1: And he's like, listen, I'm not coughing up blood. Let 533 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 1: me do the speech. They'll understand. And he gets to 534 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 1: the speech. He gets to the side of the speech, 535 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 1: which he has to like convince everyone in the car 536 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 1: like and that's how charismatic Teddy Roosevelt must have been. 537 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 1: Like he's bleeding out of his chest because he's been shot, 538 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 1: and he's and he's not driving, he's not at the wheel, 539 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 1: and he's convinced like all of his handlers and the driver, no, 540 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 1: don't go to the hospital, go to go to the speech. 541 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 1: And he gets up and he's like, listen, everybody, I 542 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 1: don't know if you've understood. I don't know if you 543 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 1: can understand this. Everybody, be as quiet as you can. 544 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 1: I've been shocked. You can see here where the bullet 545 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 1: went through my speech. I'm bleeding here. Um. I was 546 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 1: supposed to give a long speech, but I'll try to 547 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 1: make it short well, because the speech also has a 548 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 1: hole in it. He doesn't know what those words were. 549 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 1: They're gone. And he proceeds to speak for ninety minutes 550 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 1: and then they take him to the hospital and they're like, sir, 551 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 1: we're gonna try to pull the bullet out, and he's like, nope, 552 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 1: just sew it up. I'm good. And he lived for 553 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 1: the rest of his life with that bullet in the 554 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 1: in his his chest. Which this is an interesting one 555 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 1: to bring up because we do always get the shorthand, 556 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 1: isn't that what you guys heard? Like, No, we got 557 00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 1: shot during the speech and totally wrong, And I like, 558 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 1: why do you think we get the shorthand version of 559 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 1: a lot of these and some of them we never 560 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 1: learned when the real deal is so much more compelling 561 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 1: and fascinating. People are lazy? No, I don't know. I 562 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 1: mean it's one of those things where like it took 563 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 1: a lot of digging to actually find that story. So 564 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 1: it was like I was going through a lot of 565 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 1: period newspapers and I was going through accounts in different places, 566 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 1: and it actually took a lot of work to put 567 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 1: those pieces together. And I'm not I can't pinpoint why 568 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 1: the narrative turned that way, because maybe it's just an 569 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,480 Speaker 1: easier story to tell, like, oh, Theodore Roosevelt was shot 570 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 1: of a speech and just kept talking um. But yeah, no, 571 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 1: I'm much more fascinated with the real way it went down, 572 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 1: because Theodore Roosevelt's way cooler that way. I feel like 573 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 1: if someone filmed the real version and people went to 574 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:46,640 Speaker 1: it at a movie, they would be like, is this 575 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 1: like a Tarantino retelling version? Like they wouldn't believe that 576 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 1: was the real one. Yeah, So that's Teddy roosevelt shooting 577 00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 1: story gives you a really clear picture of what a 578 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 1: charismatic and tough man he must have been. It also, 579 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 1: to me, makes it extra funny to think about how 580 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 1: that same ma'am who you know was insistent that he 581 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,680 Speaker 1: should carry on with his speechmaking duties despite his injury, 582 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 1: had such trouble controlling his daughter Alice, who we talked 583 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 1: about in another podcast. So before we conclude our live 584 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 1: episode with Brian Young, let's pause one more time for 585 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: another brief word from one of the great sponsors that 586 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 1: keeps this show on the air. Alrighty, So coming up, 587 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 1: we're gonna talk a little bit about whether or not 588 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:40,240 Speaker 1: Scouts vision of the Kennedy assassination actually runs counter to 589 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 1: the warr In commissions findings. So, okay, I'm gonna not. 590 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 1: You probably won't really be able to see this But 591 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 1: so the chapter on the assassination of John F. Kennedy 592 00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 1: sticks pretty closely to the warrant commissions of your findings 593 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 1: of what went down, which is that there was a 594 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 1: single shooter and that's it. But when I look, I'm 595 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 1: gonna cover up the bottom part to not spoil the 596 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,600 Speaker 1: paint the picture for people who want to see it themselves. 597 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 1: But this looks like a grassy knoll to me. She's 598 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 1: calling your kid on the carpet. Man, I'm putting her 599 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 1: kid on blast. No, I'm not really doing that. I 600 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,280 Speaker 1: just dinder. I'm like, is that is this child drawing? 601 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 1: Or is this really a grassy knoll? So it's it's 602 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 1: a child drunk scout. Um. And I did not direct 603 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 1: Scout in doing any of her illustrations at all. Um. 604 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 1: I gave her reference material um for the presidents and 605 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,320 Speaker 1: helped her research. And I mean she actually did a 606 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,520 Speaker 1: lot of research for this on her own, where I 607 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,480 Speaker 1: gave her the chapters I'd written and she read them, 608 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 1: and um, she went through and her and I like 609 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 1: Google image searched and went through a whole bunch of 610 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,959 Speaker 1: history websites and and uh the Smithsonian through their photo 611 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,440 Speaker 1: archive to get photos and reference for her to use, 612 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,600 Speaker 1: and she felt that it was and then she just 613 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 1: went on her own and she worked on it. Um. 614 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,600 Speaker 1: The book was late because she kind of started having 615 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,360 Speaker 1: trouble at school and it was like, do you do 616 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,439 Speaker 1: your homework or work on my book? Why I should 617 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:16,759 Speaker 1: do your homework? But um, yeah, So she felt it 618 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:20,799 Speaker 1: was important, like artistically to make sure that the shooters 619 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 1: were in the frames with the assassination attempts. So that 620 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,880 Speaker 1: was her kind of creating like an artistic frame around 621 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 1: where she thought, like imagining it in her head where 622 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 1: he was um. And And that was because I asked 623 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:37,759 Speaker 1: her the same thing. I'm like, that's not the way 624 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,959 Speaker 1: it went down in the book, and she's like, well, 625 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,000 Speaker 1: they needed to be in the same the same painting together. 626 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:44,840 Speaker 1: And I don't know if it was her like I 627 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:49,400 Speaker 1: don't want to do two paintings or or it was, 628 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 1: but but she played the it was my artistic license 629 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,920 Speaker 1: card pretty well for for an eight year old. Maybe 630 00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 1: you've raised a conspiracy theorist and now no one will know. 631 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,319 Speaker 1: And it's like I don't know, like which which is 632 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,960 Speaker 1: the book advocating? And did he tell the daughter this story? 633 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,480 Speaker 1: And I don't know that can happen. I picture her 634 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 1: years down the road to being interviewed and having to 635 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:15,680 Speaker 1: explain how she just no. I said it was artistic integrity. 636 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:21,400 Speaker 1: But really, my dad is full of beans. I have 637 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 1: to wonder because this is such a great book and 638 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,719 Speaker 1: clearly such a labor of love, and especially considering that 639 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 1: your daughter was involved in the process and your other 640 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,080 Speaker 1: illustrator Errand does amazing beautiful work. And I know you 641 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,640 Speaker 1: guys did so much work to bring this thing to life. 642 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:35,440 Speaker 1: And I wonder, like, at the end of the day, 643 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 1: as a creator, what do you hope people take away 644 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,279 Speaker 1: from it? Both as kids or adults. You can do 645 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:45,000 Speaker 1: that as a two parter um. I think so for kids, 646 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:48,439 Speaker 1: I really I really got into history as a kid, 647 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,360 Speaker 1: like I was really interested in it, and it was 648 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,360 Speaker 1: because I was able to find little pockets of it 649 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,560 Speaker 1: that really interested me. For me, one of my entry 650 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,759 Speaker 1: points was old World War two movies with my grandfather, right, 651 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,279 Speaker 1: and those were like stories about it where I could 652 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:06,960 Speaker 1: go and find the things behind it. And for me, 653 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:11,480 Speaker 1: storytelling is what connected with history. And so to be 654 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,680 Speaker 1: able to get kids interested in it and interested to 655 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:18,000 Speaker 1: marry I mean American history is absolutely fascinating, even when 656 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,680 Speaker 1: it's horrible. I mean, it's still, um, completely fascinating. There 657 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:23,560 Speaker 1: are there are lots of great stories, and I think 658 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,960 Speaker 1: it's important for kids to have that interest in it. 659 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:29,400 Speaker 1: And it was certainly important for me to provide my 660 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,840 Speaker 1: daughter with that ability to learn these stories because she 661 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:34,960 Speaker 1: wanted to. She was asking about it. She wanted to 662 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,160 Speaker 1: know why people would want to kill a president because 663 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:41,680 Speaker 1: it was completely beyond her. She wanted to know about 664 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,000 Speaker 1: these presidents, and I wanted to package it in a 665 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,520 Speaker 1: way that would make her continually interested in it. And 666 00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:51,920 Speaker 1: for adults it's I I hope. I mean, I kind 667 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:53,919 Speaker 1: of felt like I was cheating writing this book because 668 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,480 Speaker 1: I didn't actually like write these stories. I just sort 669 00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,520 Speaker 1: of collected them. And so every time I read it, 670 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,759 Speaker 1: like I just get drawn back in to like the 671 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,800 Speaker 1: stories themselves and try to think about what it would 672 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,960 Speaker 1: be like to be there and how how all that 673 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:13,160 Speaker 1: would have worked, or um, you know in the stories 674 00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,440 Speaker 1: that that we're really really fascinating for me and and 675 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,239 Speaker 1: to learn it and know it, because I think it's 676 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:22,399 Speaker 1: important that we know it. There you go. So that's 677 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,880 Speaker 1: what you almost take away from this book um, but 678 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,200 Speaker 1: it is. It's such a fabulous read and I love it, 679 00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:28,600 Speaker 1: and you're so sweet to come and talk to us 680 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:32,160 Speaker 1: so much about presidential assassination. It was god like to 681 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:38,160 Speaker 1: my pleasure. So that is the main portion of our 682 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,279 Speaker 1: New York Super Week appearance with Brian Young. But wait, 683 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:45,200 Speaker 1: there's more. Uh. You'll also get a second part to 684 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,880 Speaker 1: this event and our next podcast because our our audience 685 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:52,680 Speaker 1: for the show had some really fantastic questions about the assassination, 686 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,319 Speaker 1: so much so that we wanted to share that information 687 00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,840 Speaker 1: with folks as well, So stay tuned on Wednesday for 688 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,880 Speaker 1: that and special thanks again to Brian Young for joining 689 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:04,840 Speaker 1: us in New York. His book, again is called A 690 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:09,359 Speaker 1: Children's Illustrated History of Presidential Assassination. You can also find 691 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,040 Speaker 1: Brian at Brian Young fiction dot com and that's Brian 692 00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,840 Speaker 1: with a Y, and on Twitter at swank Matron. Brian 693 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:17,880 Speaker 1: actually has a new book out this week which is 694 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:19,920 Speaker 1: called The Aeronaut and it's a work of fiction, but 695 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,239 Speaker 1: it's set in an alternate version of World War One, 696 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:26,360 Speaker 1: so it's a speculative history novel and it's just lovely. 697 00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,040 Speaker 1: His fiction is just as good as his nonfiction, so 698 00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,360 Speaker 1: I hope you will stretch out and read some of 699 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:36,680 Speaker 1: his stuff because it's absolutely delightful. And now we will 700 00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:40,840 Speaker 1: do a bit of listener mail. Sound good. I have 701 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:45,000 Speaker 1: a two piece listener mail situations. The first one kind 702 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,360 Speaker 1: of relates to our trip to New York City. Uh 703 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:51,200 Speaker 1: this is from our listener, Kathleen, and she says, hello, 704 00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:54,520 Speaker 1: Tracy and Holly, and then she um makes us into 705 00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,280 Speaker 1: portmanteau of trolley, which is kind of fun and nobody's 706 00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:02,000 Speaker 1: done it before. Uh so, she says, the Mr and 707 00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:03,640 Speaker 1: I were in New York City last month and we 708 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:07,480 Speaker 1: took the opportunity to take a tour of the Tenement Museum. 709 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:09,520 Speaker 1: Since we are both of Irish descent, we opted for 710 00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,759 Speaker 1: the Irish Outsiders tour, the granddaughter of an Irish New 711 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:14,759 Speaker 1: York City beat cop on a tour led by the 712 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:18,080 Speaker 1: granddaughter of an Irish New York City fireman. Pretty perfect. 713 00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,440 Speaker 1: I did not even know the museum existed until you 714 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,759 Speaker 1: ladies mentioned it on the podcast. Thank you so much 715 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:24,279 Speaker 1: for that and for all the work you put into 716 00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:28,560 Speaker 1: producing your insightful and informative program. Signed Kathleen. Kathleen, thank 717 00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,920 Speaker 1: you for writing this to us one because I'm always 718 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:33,720 Speaker 1: delighted to hear that people have been to the Tenement 719 00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,200 Speaker 1: Museum and loved it, and too, because I kind of 720 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,080 Speaker 1: feel bad and wanted to publicly apologize to the Tenement 721 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,160 Speaker 1: Museum that we did not get over there while we 722 00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,560 Speaker 1: were in New York City. We didn't. We were so busy. 723 00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,920 Speaker 1: It was like a crazy, very short, kind of whirlwindy 724 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:48,719 Speaker 1: trip where we were like kind of in and out. 725 00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,520 Speaker 1: We had a variety of things lined up with panels 726 00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:54,920 Speaker 1: in our live show, and it was one of those 727 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,319 Speaker 1: things where there was just no elegant way to try 728 00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,200 Speaker 1: to wedge in anything else. So next time we're there, 729 00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,760 Speaker 1: which I hope we will be again, we are absolutely 730 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,200 Speaker 1: making an effort to go there because I really do 731 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,080 Speaker 1: wanna want to go and experience the whole thing for myself, 732 00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:12,680 Speaker 1: and especially because uh Annie was so gracious when I 733 00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:14,760 Speaker 1: interviewed her and we had such a great time talking 734 00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:16,080 Speaker 1: that I would just like to hang out with her. 735 00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,279 Speaker 1: So everybody should go to the Tenement Museum, and so 736 00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,600 Speaker 1: should we. Uh and our other piece of listener mail. 737 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,240 Speaker 1: I won't read the whole thing because it is lengthy, 738 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,040 Speaker 1: but it is lovely and it is very kind, and 739 00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:32,439 Speaker 1: it is from our listener Megan uh who. I hope 740 00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,640 Speaker 1: she pronounces it Megan and not Megan, but those are 741 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:38,200 Speaker 1: the options. She is Australian, but she wrote us while 742 00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:41,440 Speaker 1: she was on holiday in Ireland and she sent us 743 00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:45,520 Speaker 1: some really delightful treats from Ireland, including some Guinness chocolate, 744 00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:47,520 Speaker 1: which we handed off to Tracy because she happened to 745 00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,080 Speaker 1: be in the office when this packet arrived. 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