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Speaker 1: Boris Johnson resigned as the Prime Minister of Great Britain.

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Speaker 1: He'll stay on until they get somebody new, but he's done,

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Speaker 1: so that little era is over all. I hope is

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Speaker 1: that whoever becomes Prime Minister is as committed or more

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Speaker 1: to defending Ukraine against the Russian onslaught. At the very

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Speaker 1: beginning of the war, we started talking to Felix Light

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Speaker 1: when he was still in Moscow reporting on it. He

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Speaker 1: has since left there and is now in London. CBS

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Speaker 1: Radio News. Felix Light joins us now on the Armstrong

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Speaker 1: Getty Show. Hey Felix, Hey, how's it good. How long

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Speaker 1: were you in Moscow? When did you leave? And why

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Speaker 1: did you leave? Oh? Well, I was in Moscow for

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Speaker 1: about a little under five years, I think its total.

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Speaker 1: And I left a week into the war, you know,

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Speaker 1: so that's about something like a third or the fourth

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Speaker 1: four months ago now a little bit more, uh know,

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Speaker 1: and and just sort of it had become very clear,

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Speaker 1: I think sort of back then that you know, the

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Speaker 1: situation was looking you know, pretty negative. You know, we

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Speaker 1: were there were sort of not just sort of the

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Speaker 1: Russian side bringing in laws against you know, essentially kind

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Speaker 1: of criminalizing anyone actually like reporting the war accurately. But

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Speaker 1: also you know, you had sort of you know, the

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Speaker 1: Western sanctions would have meant that essentially I didn't have

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Speaker 1: was it was a very difficult time. You know, a

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Speaker 1: I actually remember we're talking to you about that, and

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Speaker 1: that made a lot of sense. Do you feel like

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Speaker 1: the sanctions haven't hurt Russia as much as we were hoping?

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Speaker 1: Do you know what I actually like depends? You know,

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Speaker 1: the Russian economy is a bit of a joke kind

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Speaker 1: of in objective terms, but it's run by some very

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Speaker 1: of you know, policy terms, you know, in this kind

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Speaker 1: like a lot of towns, a sort of Soviet style

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Speaker 1: you know, big car manufacturing centers. These places are almost

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Speaker 1: shutting down. You know, the supply chains are just completely

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Speaker 1: busted with sanctions. So I think, you know, if you

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Speaker 1: get away from the top line figures of the economy,

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of people in Russia are suffering

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Speaker 1: And then you know, this is sort of you know,

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Speaker 1: average Russian who probably if they knew what was actually happening,

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Speaker 1: wouldn't support this war in any way. But I hope

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Speaker 1: the pain gets bad enough that, you know, put some

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Speaker 1: pressure on putting to want to go a different direction. Absolutely, absolutely, so,

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Speaker 1: pled guilty. I'm guessing that's something our government suggested. She

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Speaker 1: you know, this was about day three of the Grinder trial.

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Speaker 1: She did plead guilty. And you you think that this

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Speaker 1: probably the hopes of Grinder herself, are basically on some

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Speaker 1: I think was the message. Yeah, Well, it was interesting

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Speaker 1: it's a very sort of murky world, and you only

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Speaker 1: really when you're inside it. And I think very few

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Speaker 1: very very curious world, toxic. Talking with Felix Light and

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Speaker 1: Felix through the whole war in Ukraine story. But the

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Speaker 1: go to see the Queen Right of course, of course

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Speaker 1: which is a completely different story. Hey man, if I

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Speaker 1: You are really good. I would talk to you anytime

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Speaker 1: you are there there I I don't have a lot

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that Felix Light reporter in London. Now, he

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Speaker 1: when he was twenty three, lived there for five years,

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Speaker 1: he's got something to say about it. Um. We talked

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