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Speaker 1: Hey, what'll welcome And I'm Doug godly Been. This is

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Speaker 1: all ball, all basketball, all the time. We have h

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Speaker 1: Adam Finkelston is gonna join us. Of course, he's a

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Speaker 1: recruiting guru now for seven Sports. We'll get his take

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Speaker 1: on on what's next for him as he's moved over

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Speaker 1: to four seven sports and on the recruiting what what

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Speaker 1: what does recruiting look like? Now? With the transfer port

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Speaker 1: to us, we're in portal week, last week in which

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Speaker 1: of which I hate. I just hate. Like, if you're transferring,

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Speaker 1: you're doing so because you're likely not happy with either

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Speaker 1: culture or system or both, and sitting out for a

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Speaker 1: year allows you to absorb the culture, learn the system,

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Speaker 1: and improve your game. I just it's it's a huge

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Speaker 1: to say this though, you know, there was a lot

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Speaker 1: of talking about Kevin Durant, who had a spectacular Game one,

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Speaker 1: game one, disappointing, two and three there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: talk about you know, Charles Parker was a bus driver. Like, look, dude,

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Speaker 1: Kevin was the best player in the last three Olympic teams.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't really close. He's the best score of this generation, right,

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Speaker 1: He just is um And yeah, I'm sure he was

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Speaker 1: when James Harden was hurt, and then when they traded

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Speaker 1: I just did. And I don't think they intended to.

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Speaker 1: They didn't want to have two or three small guards.

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Speaker 1: But when they traded and Simmons, they acquired Seth Curry,

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Speaker 1: who's a great shooter, great but you can't play him

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Speaker 1: especially in the playoffs, just different playoffs regular season. But

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Speaker 1: in the series. So I still think Katie's incredible. I'm

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Speaker 1: How does that affect the landscape? Is that why Jay

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Speaker 1: let's start. Let's start with you kind of a big

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Speaker 1: the game? Yeah, well that was the big question, right,

428
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Speaker 1: like could he could he maintain the same gravitas on

429
00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:06,480
Speaker 1: the recruiting trail? Could Duke maintain that without coach K there?

430
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,640
Speaker 1: I admittedly was skeptical. I think most people were. Um.

431
00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,280
Speaker 1: I think he knew that he needed to get it

432
00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:14,680
Speaker 1: going with the splash and he did, you know, last

433
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,200
Speaker 1: summer and he gets Philipowski, then he gets to Reek

434
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:18,919
Speaker 1: Whitehead and now all of a sudden, it's rolling and

435
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:20,800
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, the brotherhood is still a thing. And

436
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:23,160
Speaker 1: by the way, it's even more than we thought, because

437
00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:26,240
Speaker 1: now it extends past coach k like it's it's still going,

438
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:28,760
Speaker 1: and now there's now there's a momentum to it in

439
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,439
Speaker 1: and of itself. Um, And then you get Derek Lively

440
00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:33,480
Speaker 1: and now you're I mean, he's got five commitments in

441
00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 1: two thousand twenty three. I expect one of them is

442
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,160
Speaker 1: going to contemplate moving up to two thousand twenty two.

443
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,560
Speaker 1: But the bottom line is his first two classes, he's

444
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,399
Speaker 1: number one in the country and by a pretty big margin.

445
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,160
Speaker 1: The challenge, though, and this is a part that that

446
00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:50,600
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily think people are talking enough about, is

447
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,639
Speaker 1: that there becomes a pressure. And you alluded to this

448
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,320
Speaker 1: earlier when you get all those guys and now you

449
00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:58,720
Speaker 1: have to handle those expectations, and by the way, you're

450
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 1: also dealing with your internal expectations of sitting in coach Casey.

451
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 1: I don't care what team you're coaching. The first time

452
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:09,440
Speaker 1: you're a head coach, that's a different kind of pressure. Well,

453
00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 1: hold on, and then there's here's something that people I

454
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 1: think in the BIS talk about they don't talk about

455
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:18,760
Speaker 1: outside the bizz is. You know, Duke got some Duke.

456
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:21,280
Speaker 1: Whether they got calls or not, they got a fair

457
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 1: whistle on the road, rights, Because the last thing you

458
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 1: want to do is piss off the old man. He

459
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:30,679
Speaker 1: picks up the phone and calls the the the coordinating

460
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,920
Speaker 1: the coordinating official and all of a sudden, now you're

461
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 1: not doing that. You're not doing the dude games. And

462
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,640
Speaker 1: we talked about the police again. Let's let's get back

463
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 1: to the place. No, I'm just telling you that you're right. Look,

464
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,360
Speaker 1: this happened at my school. And when Shawn Sutton took

465
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Speaker 1: over Ready Sutton, they like, it's not that they don't

466
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,000
Speaker 1: respect you, it's they you're the old man, right because

467
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 1: because of what a phone call does. That part too,

468
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 1: it is going to be really really interesting how Duke

469
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 1: is handled by everybody, whereas they revered previously that that

470
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,679
Speaker 1: that stuff changes. Uh in a hurry, let me kind

471
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 1: of run through a couple other quis. Um, what about Arizona? Obviously, Um,

472
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 1: Tommy comes in does a great job. But those are

473
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 1: Sean's that Sean acquired that talent. How are they going

474
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 1: to be able to build in short order on that talent. Well, um,

475
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 1: you know there's Jack Murphy is the the common denominator

476
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 1: on those two staffs, you know, And and Jack got

477
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 1: players for Sean. But he also fit the the niche

478
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,399
Speaker 1: that that Tommy has liked and thrived with that Gonzaga,

479
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 1: which is international players. So I think I think that

480
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a continuation there. I think candidly what

481
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:46,719
Speaker 1: I'm really interested to see. And this is another thing

482
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 1: that people don't talk about what happens to Gonzaga's talent

483
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:54,919
Speaker 1: base now, because you could say you Arizona, Yeah, you

484
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,440
Speaker 1: could say Arizona was playing with Shawn's players. You could

485
00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,080
Speaker 1: also say, to a certain extent, Gonzaga was playing with

486
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 1: at least a few and Tommy's players, because everybody knew

487
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,200
Speaker 1: that Tommy was a huge part of how they recruited there.

488
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,399
Speaker 1: So yeah, they're definitely gonna recruit to the same pool. Um,

489
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 1: but I think that's that's gonna be very interesting, not

490
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 1: just what happens at Arizona, but also what happens at Gonzaga.

491
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 1: Quite frankly, I I completely agree. And Gonzaga as seems

492
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 1: as have lost out in the cold bidding wars here

493
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:27,199
Speaker 1: as well. How does how does that change them? Right? Um,

494
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 1: that part, to me is is absolutely past um amani

495
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 1: bates Um what happens? So let me say this start

496
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Speaker 1: with a disclaimer. I was one of those people I'm

497
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 1: going to write about this next week. I was one

498
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 1: of those people. And he was fifteen years old at

499
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,680
Speaker 1: USA basketball. You know, we were saying, we were saying

500
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,440
Speaker 1: all those things, and in retrospect, I'm going to tell you,

501
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,160
Speaker 1: even now, he was the best fifteen year old I've

502
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,400
Speaker 1: ever seen. I've still never seen a better fifteen year old.

503
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 1: He was amazing. Um what happens? I think that's something

504
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 1: I'm hopeful that that will split the difference. You know

505
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 1: that he's obviously not going to be what what I

506
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 1: and so many others thought he was when he was

507
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 1: fifteen years old. But maybe he's not going to be

508
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 1: the total bust that that the clickbait has suggested he's

509
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 1: going to be in the last eight months either because

510
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 1: he's still severely young, he's still exceptionally talented, and if

511
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 1: we build up his body and we we gained some

512
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 1: appreciation for for how to play and how to play

513
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,439
Speaker 1: the right way and how to get coached and be

514
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,719
Speaker 1: in a situation where you're gonna gonna get get that

515
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:32,120
Speaker 1: stuff on a daily basis. Um, I haven't. I haven't

516
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 1: written him off all. He's too talented to to write

517
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:36,399
Speaker 1: him off. I just actually he's the guy. He's the

518
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 1: guy who actually needs the year after transferring to sit

519
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,439
Speaker 1: work on his body, buy into a culture. But of

520
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 1: course that's that's never well. And here here's what I

521
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 1: would say, What what would happen to him in high school?

522
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Speaker 1: If we used to talk about this at ESPN, Paul

523
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 1: and I used to talk about this all the time,

524
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Speaker 1: Like if he were in high school, what would have

525
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 1: happened if he went to Mont verd or I MG,

526
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 1: and he's got Kevin Boyle or Sean McAloon or Steve

527
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,159
Speaker 1: Smith or Laalamir or Sunrise, and he's got one of

528
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 1: those guys saying like, hey, we're not really interested in here,

529
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 1: and you know, like you're you're already held accountable in

530
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 1: high school. He's supposed to be a high school senior now,

531
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,160
Speaker 1: like could we have seen some growth now? And then

532
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 1: you go to a place where you really held accountable

533
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 1: in college for a year like I think so much

534
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,719
Speaker 1: of this is the variables around your situation, and I

535
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: just don't Yeah, yeah, look, I I totally agree the

536
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 1: variables are big, But the part that you nailed is

537
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 1: the accountability. And it becomes increasingly hard for anybody to

538
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 1: hold somebody accountable when they can just leave at the

539
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 1: at the drop of that and then there's no repercussion

540
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 1: from it. UM Overtime Elite, Gee League Ignite, UM Overtime Elite.

541
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,160
Speaker 1: You know, I feel like because it's basically paid prep

542
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 1: school ball that may have more life does what what

543
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 1: did those look? How does all of this money being

544
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 1: thrown around? Then immage and likeness? How does that affect

545
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,880
Speaker 1: over time Eliting and g Lady Nite? So the two

546
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 1: variables to watch in both of those situations. If high

547
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 1: school kids can never go straight to the Jet Draft,

548
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,439
Speaker 1: I don't know that they're the G League. There's a

549
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 1: there's a role for the G League Knight anymore. And conversely,

550
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 1: with Overtime Elite, the buzz now is do we ever

551
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 1: with name, image and likeness, do we ever get to

552
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,360
Speaker 1: the point where kids can go to Overtime Elite and

553
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,639
Speaker 1: then go to college? And so in its current form,

554
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: it's hard to see the longevity of it. But if

555
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:24,919
Speaker 1: it evolves to the point where because I think in

556
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 1: some circuits now they're they're still playing playing on the

557
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 1: sneaker circuits this spring, don't UM, So I'm not a

558
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 1: hundred percent sure on that. But if it gets to

559
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 1: the point where a kid can go to overtime elite

560
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: is basically a high school option or a or a

561
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: alternative to a traditional high school and then potentially go

562
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: to college, I mean, behind the scenes, that's what people

563
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: are starting to wonder. And if that ever happens again,

564
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 1: like I said, this thing isn't done evolving. Both of

565
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 1: those things if in order to to continue on and

566
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: have some longevity, are going to have to evolve. Um,

567
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 1: if the collective bargaining agreement changes, Like I said, I

568
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 1: don't know that there's a need for the G League.

569
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 1: If overtime Elite kids can go to college basketball, I

570
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 1: think it potentially is gonna get it has a you

571
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: know that that's gonna be huge. That is a crucial domino,

572
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 1: and that's the splitting in the road where we know

573
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 1: if they're going to have have longevity or not. In

574
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: my opinion, UM, The Syracuse Dead UM judiments is really good. Uh,

575
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 1: judaments is really good. Um, they are they are gonna

576
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: have UM. I was surprised they weren't better this year,

577
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 1: to be honest with Swider and the Bee Hives, I

578
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 1: figured they just shoot people out of the gym. Um.

579
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: But I don't think there's there's two inns. There's two

580
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 1: inns of the basketball floor. You know that's true. That's true.

581
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: I mean they they live that that zone. It was

582
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 1: hard and so long, and they recruited to it and

583
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,479
Speaker 1: then they stopped recruiting to it because they had shooting

584
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: and scoring. Um. What what does? What are your thoughts

585
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 1: on Louisville higher Because you know, outsider, it feels like

586
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: some momentum there and they're doing some right things and

587
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 1: getting players. But these are Syracuse Louisville historic programs in

588
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: the a SEC, but they have fallen on hard times.

589
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 1: What's Louisville look like? I love the staff first of all.

590
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I think getting Nolan Smith away from Duke,

591
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: I think that was a coup. Um. I think Danny

592
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 1: Manning brings in um player development a credibility standpoint, and

593
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 1: then it's gonna be fascinating and see what happens with

594
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 1: the rest of the staff. I mean, does he have

595
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 1: does uh you know, does does Milt Wagner go there?

596
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 1: And if he does, does that mean DJ Wagner's coming?

597
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: And then you just took the top player in the

598
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 1: country away from cal. I mean, that's the biggest recruiting story.

599
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 1: That's the biggest college basketball recruiting story in the country

600
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: right now, regardless of what happens with that one specific player.

601
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: I think this is the analogy I made. It I've

602
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 1: made yesterday. Since Kenny Payne got hired, it's become clear

603
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:54,719
Speaker 1: he's not going to rush into battle and just go

604
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: charge and fight, but he's lining his pieces up and

605
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: he's going to be really strategic. And I think if

606
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 1: you're a Louisville fan, you've got to be very pleased

607
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: with what's happened since he's arrived there. Last thing, um,

608
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 1: the most impressive. Um. It doesn't have to be coached.

609
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: Miss staff that doesn't get the national play in terms

610
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: of what they're doing in recruiting that you're like, these guys,

611
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 1: it's gonna hit from a recruiting standpoint. You know, this

612
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: isn't exactly I was just telling somebody earlier today, though, Um,

613
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 1: I hope this doesn't offend the family ties. I was

614
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 1: saying to somebody said, Kyle Smith's the smartest man in

615
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 1: college basketball, and nobody nobody talks about. I mean, he's

616
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 1: Kyle's Kyle is an exceptionally bright guy. Um, the one

617
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: I think Todd. I think Todd's really right too. I

618
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 1: just don't know. I don't know how that works at Florida.

619
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: I've worked for Bruce. This is the thing I just

620
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: talked about this. Todd worked for Bruce Pearl for two years.

621
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 1: Like get fooled by like the analytics and the in

622
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: the young I got it. But but it's a I mean, look,

623
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 1: and I love I love I love Tid. Okay, no,

624
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 1: I really will. But he looks like he's twenty two

625
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: years old and he's a head coach of Florida, and

626
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: like my wife's not a bad coach. And they're about

627
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 1: to run him. They ran him, you know, up the

628
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: road to Georgia. Not a follow the legend. Yeah, yeah,

629
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 1: well it's it's hard. It's really really hard. Um. Anyway

630
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: you're saying Kyle Smith, Yeah, I mean, yeah, the problem

631
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 1: that the problem of Wazoo is it's like a mid

632
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 1: major in the high major league. If a kid is

633
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: really good, you're gonna lose him, you know, right right,

634
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 1: That's that's that's that's the hard part. No, But I

635
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 1: do think that, you know, in terms of recruiting. The

636
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 1: thing I'll leave you with this. The thing that I

637
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: think is interesting about recruiting. We're always projecting the futures market,

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Speaker 1: recruiters are, you've got to know, like, okay, who identified

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Speaker 1: what is particular to their program, and then who developed

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Speaker 1: cares where their recruiting classes rank. They just win every year,

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Speaker 1: so um, you know, because they get guys that fit

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Speaker 1: have retention as well. Yeah. I don't know. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if it's the blue pill or the red pill,

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Speaker 1: but they got those dudes to buy in like nothing

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Speaker 1: nothing I've ever seen. Better stop you better jump stop,

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Speaker 1: Adam was awesome, really really good. And I think how

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Speaker 1: from right now. But right now it's just wild wild

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Speaker 1: West and look in in talking to college guys, I

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Speaker 1: I agree with this. What's a likely scenario is you

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Speaker 1: can't get an n I L check until you've played

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Speaker 1: buying recruits, which is what we told you. Would be,

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Speaker 1: and which is what it's morphed into. I think you

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Speaker 1: sitting out a year. I don't know if that will

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