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Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media, Hello.

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Speaker 2: And welcome to Cool People Who Did cool stuff. You're

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Speaker 2: a weekly reminder that when bad things happen, there's little

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Speaker 2: stories of resistance that slowly build up to make a

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Speaker 2: better world. That's my overly earnest introduction. I am your host,

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Speaker 2: Margaret Kiljoy, and this week I'm excited to have one

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Speaker 2: of my all time favorite returning guests, a guest who

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Speaker 2: has been with us since the very beginning of the show,

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Speaker 2: Samantha McVeigh. Hi.

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Speaker 3: Every time I hear that, I always just go back

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Speaker 3: to that first episode that we did and how fun,

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Speaker 3: how fun ish, because it felt like the world was

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Speaker 3: dying a little bit, not the beginning, but like the

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Speaker 3: big beginning of everything's ending. But being on the show

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Speaker 3: with you and talking about the people who did such

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Speaker 3: incredible work, especially in the world of abortion and reproductive healthcare,

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Speaker 3: it felt it was time then, it's timely now. But

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Speaker 3: it just felt so lovely to hear such amazing stories.

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Speaker 3: I don't know when you said that, I just brought

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Speaker 3: my heart little flutter.

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Speaker 2: That's still, honestly one of my favorite episodes we've done

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Speaker 2: is but the Jaine Collective. People can go back and

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Speaker 2: listen to it. You are the host of stuff Mom

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Speaker 2: never told you? Is that correct?

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Speaker 3: That is correct? Yes, I feel like I'm on trial.

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Speaker 3: Yes i am.

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Speaker 2: I actually, I mean I looked it up to dould check.

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Speaker 2: But since you have a podcast name that's actually similar

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Speaker 2: to my podcast name, I'm very aware of how people

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Speaker 2: will get it wrong in very minor ways constantly.

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Speaker 3: I'm one of those people.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the people who come up and are like, oh,

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Speaker 2: I love your show cool things that people do.

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Speaker 3: I've shortened it to cool stuff, yeah, because it is

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Speaker 3: kind of like on our with our shows, you know,

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Speaker 3: which was the house stuff work show, so everything had

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Speaker 3: something to do with stuff. So I'm like, yeah, obviously

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Speaker 3: this is part of the family anyway. But yes, I

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Speaker 3: have now referred to it as cool stuff because my

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Speaker 3: brain does not have the power to remember anything anymore.

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Speaker 2: It feels like, you know, that's completely understandable. I feel

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Speaker 2: very bad when people ask me about episodes I did

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Speaker 2: a year and a half ago, because the answer is

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Speaker 2: I literally earlier this week, I was like, oh, I

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Speaker 2: should start doing this one thing, and I was like,

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Speaker 2: wait a second, and then I searched and I was like,

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Speaker 2: I've already done an episode about that.

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Speaker 3: We have thousands of episodes. I think I have been

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Speaker 3: on the show for seven years. Wow, the show itself

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Speaker 3: has existed for fifteen years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, fourteen years.

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Speaker 3: So like we constantly have to backtrack and look at,

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Speaker 3: what have we already talked about this, and about twenty

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Speaker 3: five percent at the time, like, oh we have Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it makes sense.

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Speaker 2: I really appreciate the forward motion. It works really well

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Speaker 2: for my brain in general, to like hyper fixate on

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Speaker 2: a subject for a week and then hyper fixate on

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Speaker 2: another subject. But it has its downsides. But my question

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Speaker 2: for you is, did your mom ever teach you about

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Speaker 2: the worldwide resistance from the bottom up against unjust immigration

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Speaker 3: You know. One of the fun things that you and

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Speaker 3: I do, or have as back and forth.

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Speaker 2: Is that I constantly bring up the stuff about your mom,

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Speaker 2: and it's really not what I wish I did, uh huh.

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Speaker 3: Not that you wish you didn't, But I get to

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Speaker 3: come back and say, my mother is fairly racist.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, huh.

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Speaker 3: I grew up in a fairly racist family who on

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Speaker 3: the surface talks about Jesus and love and all these things,

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Speaker 3: but on the inside, things that Donald Trump is doing

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Speaker 3: a great job forgetting the fact that I am actually

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Speaker 3: an immigrant that they brought forcefully because they bought me

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Speaker 3: essentially through Korea, the Korean government, which is having a

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Speaker 3: for a majority of their adoptees. I don't know about

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Speaker 3: my history yet, Oh my god.

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Speaker 3: With all of that, forgetting I am a naturalized citizen

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Speaker 3: who does not agree with the current administration, and therefore

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Speaker 3: I could be a target much like the rest of us,

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Speaker 3: I know. Yeah, but like, yeah, so they would not

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Speaker 3: So no, Margaret, I'm sad to say I have not

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Speaker 3: been told by my mother of such things. But I'm

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Speaker 3: glad you're here to tell me of such things.

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Speaker 2: Excellent to tell you stuff. Mom never told you that

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Speaker 2: was my setup. Yeah, no, it is. It's a whole

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Speaker 2: separate thing. Actually, Weirdly, we're going to talk a little

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Speaker 2: Christian Democrats, who are not lefty, and it makes me

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Speaker 2: so sad because there's very little that's consistent within the Bible.

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Speaker 2: But one of the things that Jesus is pretty consistent

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Speaker 2: on is be nice to immigrants. That's like, really consistent.

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Speaker 2: That's not one of the complicated ones.

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Speaker 3: That's the confusing part of it all.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I love what I meet people who are like,

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Speaker 2: you know, what radicalized me was the things that my

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Speaker 2: this week, I've just been thinking about the bottom up

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Speaker 2: resistance against racist immigration control. And okay, I'm not Actually

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Speaker 2: you can pretend this episode as a coincidence. I sat

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Speaker 2: down this week to write a hole the history of

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Speaker 2: organizing against racist border policing. But you will be shocked

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Speaker 2: to know that's a really big topic. Wow, And yeah,

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Speaker 2: I am shocked. Who would have thought? Although it's also

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Speaker 2: a little bit repetitive to same border control and racist

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Speaker 2: border control, at least in terms of the way history

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Speaker 2: has shown us this. I got sucked down the first

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Speaker 2: I think on some level like comfort clinging to these

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Speaker 2: smaller stories. And I was going to say, it's easy

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Speaker 2: to picture myself in this story, but that's because I'm cheating.

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Speaker 2: I'm in a decent portion of this story because I'm

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Speaker 2: just going to talk about some things that not I did,

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Speaker 2: but people who I knew were able to do. Because

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Speaker 2: this week I'm going to talk about a relatively minor

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Speaker 2: series of protests in the Netherlands from two thousand and

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Speaker 2: for a couple of reasons. First, I think it's important

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Speaker 2: and that it's been going on for a while. The

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Speaker 2: current escalation is absolutely an escalation, but it's an escalation

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 2: The colonial core freaks out when it destabilizes the rest

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Speaker 2: so they come to the place that's stable that destabilized them.

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Speaker 2: That's my oversimplification of the colonial project.

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Speaker 3: I think it works, though it's very succinct.

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Speaker 2: Thanks. I also want to tell this story because it

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Speaker 2: was my own introduction to this kind of protest in politics.

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Speaker 2: So when I was like sitting down to be like, oh,

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Speaker 2: what do I know about this stuff? Like literally the

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Speaker 2: first time I really ran across it in a major

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Speaker 2: way was the first thing that came up. I was

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Speaker 2: living in Amsterdam immediately before and after the events of

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Speaker 2: the build up to it. The simplest and fastest way

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Speaker 2: to tell this story. In two thousand and five, the

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Speaker 2: Netherlands was shifting right word politically, not geographically.

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Speaker 3: In Europe.

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Speaker 2: I don't know why I wrote right word politically. I

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Speaker 2: can't imagine what other way it could be shifting right word.

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Speaker 2: But now I'm trying to imagine it trying.

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Speaker 3: To actually floats away.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's trying to get away from itself and be like, hey,

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Speaker 2: let me in Germany, you know, there's a lot of

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Speaker 2: history there, and there was more and more of a

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Speaker 2: But the government started by trying to claim they were

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Speaker 2: just trying to stop drug traffickers. So they built a

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Speaker 2: do you know, soon there were all sorts of migrants

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Speaker 2: In response, an international assortment of squatters started hanging banners

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Speaker 2: and these banners would blame the people in charge of

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Speaker 2: the squats, including the one that I had been living in,

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Speaker 2: but again I wasn't there at the time, ignoring all

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Speaker 2: pretensive legality and arresting people. This didn't sweep the issue

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Speaker 2: no longer just like the anti fascist squatters started hanging

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Speaker 2: And yeah, I don't know, it's a story that kind

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Speaker 2: minor but inspiring acts taken by brave people. Have you

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Speaker 2: ever been to the Netherlands.

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Speaker 3: I haven't. I want to go, but also I'm kind

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Speaker 2: Like, yeah, just ask yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. Yeah. I

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Speaker 2: mean I'm literally going to talk about the xenophobia that's

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Speaker 2: I can't.

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Speaker 3: Tell you otherwise you're saying I'm not completely wrong.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, there's it was interesting because it's you know,

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Speaker 2: it's a it's a cosmopolitan city, right, I don't know. Again,

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Speaker 2: it's been a while since I've been there, but it

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Speaker 2: was very much alike the equivalent of one of those

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Speaker 2: a red area, right, you know. And one day, if

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Speaker 2: I do more history of anti fascism and the Netherlands

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Speaker 2: is going to have a lot of stories about Nazis

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Speaker 2: killing people of color in the eighties and all kinds

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Speaker 2: of stuff. And this one's gonna involve a lot of Islamophobia.

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Speaker 2: But you'll be fine. Racists are really good at keeping

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Speaker 2: track of which racist people of colors.

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Speaker 3: Are bad at. They have specifics. Okay, yeah, they're really

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Speaker 3: good at that, as long as they have choices, you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fine, it's fine.

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Speaker 3: It's just these group of people don't worry about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So there's a country called the Netherlands. People like

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Speaker 2: to call it Holland, but technically it's the Netherlands, and

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Speaker 2: too refuses to let anyone say Holland. It is famous

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Speaker 2: for tulips, wooden shoes, windmills, legalized sex work, and of

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Speaker 2: course the country where a group of queer artists burned

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Speaker 2: down a Nazi record house in the nineteen forties. They

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Speaker 2: also have the tallest people in the world.

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Speaker 3: Is that actual?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I double checked this today.

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Speaker 3: Okay, okay, I thought that was just a kind of

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Speaker 3: a stereotype, which is not necessarily a bad stereotype.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, no, my sources in the show notes they

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Speaker 2: are tied with Monte Neegro for the tallest women, and

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Speaker 1: Okay, good because I have theories. Wow, I am so

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Speaker 1: shocked to see that Sweden is so far down this list. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because of all the tall Scars guards.

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Speaker 2: Oh, the Scars guards aren't enough to throw it up.

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Speaker 1: No, Netherlands, Montenegro, Estonia, Bosnia, Iceland, Denmark, Latvia, Ukraine, Slovenia,

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Speaker 2: Oh, they gotta step it up. The Scars guards have

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Speaker 3: All right, isn't a brothers Like the tallest one is

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Speaker 1: No, their dad has been famous forever. His name is

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Speaker 3: I didn't think he was that tall though. I thought

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's okay. I know the Scars Guards because of

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Speaker 1: Me, Sam McVay, how dare you stelling Scars Guard is

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Speaker 2: Way which is the one who always plays? Monsters, Bill

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Speaker 2: Guard you also know did you ever See True? Blood,

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Speaker 1: Guard then the handsome blonde.

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Speaker 3: Man, yeah he's kind of after his father came to

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Speaker 3: Fine, Fine i'll have that. One that's my Scars.

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Speaker 2: GUARD i Get floky in The, monsters you.

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Speaker 1: Get gustav And sam Gets.

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Speaker 2: Bill we've done.

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Speaker 3: It i'm, good, no thank. You i'm gonna see myself

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Speaker 2: Kind of this has to do with them at.

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Speaker 3: ALL i got Very.

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Speaker 2: I'm so sorry.

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Speaker 3: Listeners you know, what, THOUGH i am going to say

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Speaker 3: appreciate the story, great. Okay and as a tall white,

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Speaker 3: dude we have to, SAY i think they also would

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Speaker 2: it are, international Mostly, europeans but like not Necessarily dutch.

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Speaker 2: Folks anywhere you go when there's a right wing government

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Speaker 2: it is that even though this ties Into, sweden even

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Speaker 2: Very Northern european in certain. Ways, specifically it's very stoic and,

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Speaker 2: cold and it's anything but emotionally. Expressive although that's kind

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Speaker 2: of all Of western. Whatever if you get, south it's

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Speaker 2: because this is a story about solidarity and how you

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Speaker 3: Them see as A, suddener that's, concerning like obviously That southern,

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Speaker 3: level especially with high anxiety and people pleasing, antics you

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Speaker 2: ACCEPTED i suffered so hard one. Time, Okay i'll tell

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Speaker 2: all kinds of, terrible embarrassing stories about. This SO i

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Speaker 2: was staying at the squad called The omstole that's gonna

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Speaker 2: and it was all these women who lived, there AND

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Speaker 2: i was, like, OH i get along. Here this is

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Speaker 2: it was because all of the boyfriends who lived there

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Speaker 2: who's this like american who has a beard and, skirts

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Speaker 2: who's like hanging out with all of our girlfriends and,

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Speaker 2: like no one would be friends with.

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Speaker 1: Me that's my, Homegirl that's who it. Is.

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Speaker 4: Honey, oh we're all at the, bar the squad, bar of,

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Speaker 4: Course AND i don't have a key to this place

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Speaker 4: yet because these buildings are very locked down because our

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Speaker 4: mafia boss was upset about that and so kept sending

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Speaker 2: Us so it was very well locked. Down and So i'm, like,

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Speaker 2: hey CAN i get a key to the? Place And i'm,

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Speaker 2: asking you know my friend who lives, there and her

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Speaker 2: boyfriend looks up at me and he lives there, too

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Speaker 2: and he, goes you Fucking. Americans you think you can

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Speaker 2: just like fucking move into our House And i've been

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Speaker 2: living there for like three, Weeks AND i was like,

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Speaker 2: what and he's, Like i'm joking and gives me the.

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Speaker 2: KEY i don't know if he was. Joking to this,

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Speaker 2: DAY i do not know if that man was my

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Speaker 2: friend or. NOT i have no idea.

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Speaker 3: That obviously you've thought about, this because that would haunt me.

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Speaker 2: Dark it is twenty something years. Later right, now it

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Speaker 3: That one dude that, said and you, said are we?

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Speaker 3: Joking are we? Laughing we're not?

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Speaker 2: Lying, YEAH i think actually one of the people who's

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Speaker 2: vaguely related to this story listens to this. Show so,

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Speaker 2: Anyway so, yes it's very cold culture That i'm sure

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Speaker 2: if you are from, it you totally know who cares

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Speaker 2: about you and loves. You but as a like, queer,

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Speaker 2: strange Soft, AMERICAN i was just, like, MAN i don't

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Speaker 2: know what's happening, here but you know WHAT i do

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Speaker 2: know about as An american capitalism and products and services

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Speaker 2: that support this. Show and we're, back. Okay i've told

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Speaker 2: a couple stories about The netherlands before on the. Show

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Speaker 2: one was Our Gay resistance to The nazis episode about

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Speaker 2: how The dutch queer art scene when The nazis took,

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Speaker 2: over they like used their art skills to forge papers for,

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Speaker 2: everyone and then when that wasn't, enough they just burned

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Speaker 2: the most like theater kid way, possible where like a

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Speaker 2: nazis and then the fashion designer replicated, them and so

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Speaker 2: were passive at about half of. Them the other half were, like, whatever,

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Speaker 2: use injections that med students have give or the med

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Speaker 2: students are there and, like knock out the. Guards this

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Speaker 2: obviously that is of course the main thing people know

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Speaker 2: about The. Netherlands that's not. True no one knows that

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Speaker 3: ABOUT i did not know. That.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no it's one of my favorite stories of Full.

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Speaker 2: Time but the other episodes That i've done about it

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Speaker 2: just kind of remind everyone that countries have done. This

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Speaker 2: real estate speculation was Gutting amsterdam and other major cities

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Speaker 2: in the. Country there's this economic. Downturn capitalists were just

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Speaker 2: well we're just going to leave the building empty rather than,

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Speaker 2: so you have all of these homeless, people and you

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Speaker 2: i have a, crowbar and political squatting got its. Start

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Speaker 2: why WOULD i know how to weld? Anything and they

436
00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:52,760
Speaker 2: were like these Fucking, americans the Bustless.

437
00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:55,000
Speaker 3: America did you just come in here and not?

438
00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:59,320
Speaker 2: Weld, yeah which is a little embarrassing because my father

439
00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:02,400
Speaker 2: was a professional. Welder but you, know, oh.

440
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,840
Speaker 3: Was there an assumption that You, no, no they didn't

441
00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,800
Speaker 3: know that, no, oh because, yeah that's an interesting.

442
00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,840
Speaker 2: Requisite they're, like you're a, squatter you know how to build?

443
00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,200
Speaker 2: Things And i'm, like, YEAH i could LIKE i don't

444
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:17,320
Speaker 2: know him or, Something yeah, Exactly, Yeah, yeah welding's a different.

445
00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:17,560
Speaker 3: Thing.

446
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:19,879
Speaker 2: Yeah LIKE i feel LIKE i could go back to

447
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,000
Speaker 2: The netherlands in two thousand and five now and be

448
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:23,400
Speaker 2: LIKE i got all the, Skills.

449
00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:24,760
Speaker 3: I'm ready now set me up.

450
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,359
Speaker 2: Carpentry we could do. THIS i built a cabin, once you.

451
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 2: Know but at the TIME i was just, like, hey

452
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,800
Speaker 2: that's a. Skill, No i'm an art skilled dropout who

453
00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:35,400
Speaker 2: like knows about politics and did eating. TRASH i don't,

454
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:36,160
Speaker 2: Know AND.

455
00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,480
Speaker 3: I can talk to you about punk musical list.

456
00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,840
Speaker 2: Go, yeah, yeah, Exactly, Yeah i'm okay on an, accordion

457
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:45,359
Speaker 2: which none of you. APPRECIATE i love a good, accordion,

458
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,680
Speaker 2: yeah They ACTUALLY i drew comics AND i played, accordion

459
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 2: and that was how people knew how to like accept.

460
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,480
Speaker 2: Me that AND i got arrested for. Politics that was my.

461
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:55,240
Speaker 2: Cred they still didn't know what to make of.

462
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,639
Speaker 1: ME i did really enjoy in OUR q AND a

463
00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,840
Speaker 1: when somebody was, like, hey do you play any normal?

464
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:05,399
Speaker 2: Strings, yeah you, know play, Guitar And i'm, like what

465
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 2: play it? Accordion? YEAH i love.

466
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 3: It it's a skill. Though.

467
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:19,480
Speaker 2: Yeah so the squatter's hard, working very. Committed like for,

468
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,439
Speaker 2: example some squatters have taken over the shell of a

469
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 2: giant row home in Downtown. Amsterdam it was actually on The,

470
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,800
Speaker 2: omstall which is the name of the canal That amsterdam

471
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 2: gets its name. From but this was a different squad

472
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,239
Speaker 2: than The, Omstole and there was this building and it

473
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,239
Speaker 2: was this huge four or five story, building but it

474
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 2: was literally just a shell and so it had walls

475
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 2: and a roof and windows and that's. It it didn't

476
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 2: have an internal floor. Structure IF i moved into that,

477
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:50,679
Speaker 2: HOUSE i would live on the ground floor because it's the, floor,

478
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 2: right it's the one that has a. Floor they built

479
00:23:55,840 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 2: all of the floors back in the building out of,

480
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:05,479
Speaker 2: scaffolding so it was like you go in and you

481
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:10,359
Speaker 2: can climb up stairs to the second, floor which doesn't

482
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 2: have a railing and is kind of in the, middle

483
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 2: and you can kind of accidentally walk. Off you have

484
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:14,199
Speaker 2: to be.

485
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 3: Carried it was this feels like a setup for like

486
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 3: a home alone. Trap essentially if you get, Chase i'm

487
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 3: not gonna.

488
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 2: Lie, okay, wait this actually is perfect because the way the,

489
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,639
Speaker 2: squatters eventually they would usually get, evicted and they learned

490
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 2: very quickly that they had to fight every single eviction

491
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 2: otherwise all of the squats would end up. Evicted so

492
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,199
Speaker 2: it was like every single time they tried to evict a,

493
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 2: squat all of the squatters would get together defend, it

494
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 2: and they would defend. It Home alone.

495
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,199
Speaker 3: Style, okay So i'm not too far off in this.

496
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:45,120
Speaker 2: Adventure the most visceral ONE i remember is that when

497
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 2: the cops can't break down a, door they put a

498
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:51,359
Speaker 2: chainsaw to. It so they built a whole second wall

499
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:55,439
Speaker 2: behind the door and then filled it with pigs. Blood

500
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:56,440
Speaker 2: oh my, God.

501
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 3: So they carried a homele loan trap. There, wow that's.

502
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:08,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, no paint bombs are very. Common, yeah like, ah

503
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 2: there's like tribuchets with paint bombs involved in the squad

504
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:16,399
Speaker 2: scene in the eighties. There, yeah very resourceful home alone.

505
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 3: PEOPLE i don't like. It.

506
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:22,640
Speaker 2: Yeah one time there was this giant anti immigrant billboard

507
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:26,119
Speaker 2: hung up on construction scaffolding at the end of the,

508
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,200
Speaker 2: block and so some anti fascists decided to either remove

509
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,199
Speaker 2: it or alter. IT i don't remember. Which it's been

510
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 2: a very long. Time and this is in the middle

511
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 2: of the day and one of the most crowded parts of.

512
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,159
Speaker 2: Downtown like if you've ever been To amsterdam and you

513
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 2: walk down the main shopping street and then there's a

514
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,879
Speaker 2: clock tower and then there's you, know it's just like,

515
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 2: right if you just walk down the main, place you

516
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,360
Speaker 2: run into this place and there's this giant billboard stretched

517
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 2: across the scaffolding, right and so they decided to change,

518
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 2: it AND i was on. Lookout SINCE i wasn't AN eu,

519
00:25:57,800 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 2: CITIZEN i would have been in more trouble IF i

520
00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 2: was arrested. Again i'd already been arrested once AND i

521
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 2: really didn't want to be one of the people climbing

522
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 2: up to deal with the. BILLBOARD i also might not

523
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 2: have been invited TO i don't, Know SO i set

524
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,400
Speaker 2: myself up with my accordion to, busk which is good

525
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 2: cover for being a lookout if anyone is ever.

526
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 3: CURIOUS i love how many times the accordion has come

527
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 3: into play already. Too, yeah, yah, Yeah.

528
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,199
Speaker 2: No this was an important part of my life in

529
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 2: The netherlands BECAUSE i had no, job SO i would

530
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,359
Speaker 2: just go busk for about an hour every day and

531
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 2: get enough money to Buy french fries and beer and then. Whatever,

532
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 2: ANYWAY i would to be twenty one or two or

533
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 2: whatever again with an. Accordion, yeah AND i wasn't particularly.

534
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 2: GOOD i MEAN i was. Great everyone loved, Anyway yes you,

535
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 2: WERE i already. Know and So i'm sitting there and

536
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 2: basically it's like by being, there there's a reason why

537
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 2: two people are just standing staring at this thing that's, happening,

538
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 2: right because they're, like, ah, well this person is. Busking

539
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 2: and so my, friend who Spoke, dutch was next to

540
00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 2: me and in radio communications with the climbers in case

541
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 2: the police, came so you could, say, hey you know

542
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 2: the police are. Coming and WHILE i was playing, music

543
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 2: an older man came up and asked my friend why

544
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 2: does the accordionist play such sad? Music and his, answer

545
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 2: my friend's answer was, well because we're. Squatters we build

546
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,360
Speaker 2: things over and over, again and then the police come

547
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,919
Speaker 2: and destroy. Them the real answer as to WHY i

548
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 2: played sad music is BECAUSE i was a goth AND

549
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:27,160
Speaker 2: i like sad.

550
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 1: MUSIC i was about to say because Your margaret Killed, Joy.

551
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 2: Yeah BUT i wasn't. YET i was a magpirat, anyway

552
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 2: let's just move past. That BUT i think about his

553
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 2: answer all the. Time the cops didn't. COME i made

554
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,919
Speaker 2: a couple of yearros AND i learned a life, lesson

555
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 2: and the banner came down or it was altered or whatever,

556
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 2: happened and no one was.

557
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 3: Arrested, wait what's the life?

558
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 2: Lesson because squatters build things and build things and then

559
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,679
Speaker 2: they're just. Destroyed BUT i REALLY i kind of clung

560
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,919
Speaker 2: to that, Idea LIKE i think there's two ways to approach.

561
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 2: Squatting one is this isn't. MINE i have no responsibility for.

562
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 2: It i'm gonna trash, it, right which is sad it.

563
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 2: Is and then the other is, LIKE i have a

564
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 2: chance to do something unfettered by like other. RESTRICTIONS i

565
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,159
Speaker 2: can do ANYTHING i want, here So i'm going to

566
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 2: make this. Amazing that's much more interesting to. Me, yeah

567
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 2: so that's a sense of The dutch. Squatters islamophobia is

568
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 2: all the rage in The western world in the early.

569
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 3: Aughts what a.

570
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 2: Segue, Yeah i'm real good at my, job And islamophobia

571
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 2: is all the. Rage this is true in THE, us

572
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 2: but it was and is at least as bad In.

573
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 2: Europe and again we can kind of Easily american, exceptionalize

574
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 2: like when we look at how bad and racist The

575
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 2: United states, is because The United states is bad and,

576
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 2: racist we can kind of be, like, ah But europe

577
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 2: the land of. ACCEPTANCE i don't. Know you clearly didn't

578
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 2: fall for. That you were, Like i'm not going To,

579
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 2: amsterdam what are you talking?

580
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 3: About i'm. Sorry.

581
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 2: Nope in The. Netherlands this early aughts islamophobia came to

582
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 2: a head when a filmmaker Named Theo, vungo who is

583
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 2: the sort of, great great whatever nephew of the more

584
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 2: famous Fan. Go he was a filmmaker and he was

585
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 2: killed by An islamicist In november two thousand and four

586
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 2: because he made a film that gets described as either

587
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 2: opposed to the patriarchy Within islamic culture or An islamophobic

588
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 2: film to stir up anti immigrant. SENTIMENT i believe it was. Both,

589
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,719
Speaker 2: yeah it can be. Both, yeah he might have had

590
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 2: an accurate. POINT i don't. KNOW i haven't seen this. Film,

591
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 2: obviously there are problems of patriarchy within every conservative culture. Religions, yeah,

592
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 2: Yeah theo was committed to fighting against multiculturalism In dutch.

593
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 2: Society this man's a Fucking.

594
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 3: Nazi, yeah that's a flowery wave saying like he's fairly. Bigoted, okay, yeah.

595
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 2: And my half educated, Guests i've read a bunch of

596
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 2: articles about, this BUT i haven't seen the. Film i'm

597
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 2: not really an. Expert is that he was a right

598
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 2: wing anti immigrant guy who was killed by a right Wing.

599
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 2: Islamicist his death caused this massive outpouring of public. Islamophobia

600
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 2: for some weird, REASON i can't figure it. Out ninety

601
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 2: percent of the news stories just talk about the attack

602
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 2: on the, filmmaker and then in vague, terms talk about

603
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 2: the backlash like it was like kind of a minor.

604
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 2: Thing fascists bombed A muslim elementary. SCHOOL i don't believe

605
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 2: anyone was injured or killed in that. ATTACK i believe

606
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 2: it happened when the building was. Empty news reports from

607
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 2: the time talk about how maybe Someone even in articles

608
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 2: you can find about an elementary school being attacked and,

609
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 2: bombed they have to point out that someone who had

610
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 2: graduated from there had like ended up In afghanistan Or

611
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 2: india and had done some terror attack or whatever you,

612
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 2: know on like all of the Big western universities where

613
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 2: no one bad has famously. Graduated The New York times

614
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 2: reported that there were at least twenty attacks on, mosques

615
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 2: including arson and paint and people leaving pigs heads outside

616
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 2: of the, buildings and just like all of the shitty nine.

617
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 2: YARDS i don't. Know, meanwhile the xenophobia wasn't just limited To.

618
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 2: Islamophobia all over the, country hastily and badly constructed detention

619
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 2: centers were being built AND i think that that actually

620
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 2: predates this other. Attack there was also a right wing

621
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 2: politician who was against. Multiculturalism there's another guy who was

622
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 2: assassinated two years, earlier on two thousand and. Two so

623
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 2: in two thousand and, three a right wing woman Named

624
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 2: Rita verdonk was appointed to the newly created position Of

625
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 2: minister For integration And Asylum, affairs which sounds like a

626
00:31:55,600 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 2: neutral kind of, thing it was. Not this was to

627
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 2: kick out asylum. Seekers By february two thousand and, Four

628
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 2: parliament voted to kick out twenty six thousand people who

629
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 2: were there seeking, asylum which famously isn't a. Crime it's

630
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 2: not illegal to show up somewhere and be, like, Hey

631
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 2: i'm being chased by someone who's going to kill. Me

632
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 2: CAN i come into your?

633
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 3: House? Please CAN i actually get some safety? Please.

634
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 2: Yeah they started building detention centers at the. Airports supposedly

635
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 2: these were built because of drug traffic in the. Country

636
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 2: because drug traffic in the, COUNTRY i believe this is,

637
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 2: true it had moved from. Freight they started catching more

638
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 2: of the freight shipments of, drugs and so it moved

639
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 2: to like individual drug mules with swallowed condoms full of,

640
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 2: drugs and they were catching like fifty people a month

641
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 2: who are doing, this and they needed somewhere to store those.

642
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 2: PEOPLE i would guess almost all of those people who

643
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 2: were forced into it at The Great points. Right almost,

644
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,719
Speaker 2: immediately these detention centers were used to house asylum seekers as,

645
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,479
Speaker 2: well who again have not committed any. Crimes they had

646
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,479
Speaker 2: passed a couple laws in The netherlands in like two,

647
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 2: thousand two thousand and, one two thousand and two that

648
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 2: said things, like we have decided it's legal for us

649
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 2: to put people in prison for being asylum. Seekers SO

650
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 2: i guess it actually was within the rules that they had,

651
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 2: made but those rules are not, okay, Right and the

652
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 2: centers were there to pressure people to self. Deport so

653
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,719
Speaker 2: again this is the like Busting american. Exceptionalism i'm not

654
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 2: trying to downplay the battle what's happening in this. COUNTRY

655
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 2: i just they built these centers to be, like, hey asylum,

656
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 2: seekers you can leave voluntarily or you'll spend at least

657
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 2: six months in a death. Trap the detention centers were

658
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 2: met with. Resistance i've been having a hard time finding

659
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 2: more details In, english BUT i know that the largest

660
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:52,479
Speaker 2: detention center At Chipol airport was occupied by activists for

661
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 2: two weeks before it was. OPENED i believe this is

662
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 2: in two thousand and, four but one source says those

663
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 2: two thousand and. Four another one says those two thousand and.

664
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 2: TWO i wanted to find more information about that. OCCUPATION

665
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 2: i wanted to have that be a whole little. Thing

666
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 2: that's as far AS i was able to. Get, famously

667
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 2: asylum seekers are seeking asylum safety because if they go

668
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 2: back to where they're, from they would be. Killed AND

669
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 2: i believe it was two thousand and four a bunch

670
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 2: Of congolese folks were deported back to The congo after

671
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 2: their asylum was denied and simply having sought asylum somewhere

672
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 2: else was evidence that they were dissidents In. Congo so

673
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 2: as soon as they show, UP i believe all of

674
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 2: them were locked up in these torture death camps and.

675
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 2: Killed so a bunch of people had fled all the

676
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 2: way to The, netherlands whereupon they were, imprisoned, rejected sent

677
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 2: home and died AND readA, verdonk the head of this

678
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 2: new department of we hate everybody who's Not, dutch famously

679
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 2: told the press that since she hadn't personally killed, them

680
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 2: she had no blood of in her. Hands you're making

681
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 2: a wonderful face right. Now i'm just gonna acknowledge the.

682
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 3: Level oh my, god the level of just. Delusion, yeah

683
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 3: to really be able to be, Like i'm, good that's.

684
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 3: FINE i didn't do anything wrong because we're protecting my.

685
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 3: Whites So i'm doing a good. Thing those people. Died

686
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 3: they deserved it because they're not. White.

687
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:27,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, no it's about, culture, right we.

688
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 3: See because we don't want multicultural things.

689
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 2: Here, no, no then there'd be more than one. Culture

690
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 2: oh my, god and then the food would get. BETTER

691
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 2: i can't find the. DOWNSIDE i try really. HARD i

692
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 2: can't find the.

693
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 3: Downside SO i don't know much about The netherlands food.

694
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 3: Culture AND i feel like there's a reason for.

695
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 2: That there's a reason for. That. Yeah. Yeah the Best

696
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 2: dutch food is. Falafel everyone knows, that and that's Not dutch,

697
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 2: food you, Know like there's a reason falafel stands were,

698
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 2: everywhere and it's because everyone wanted. It it's better. Interesting

699
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 2: i'm sure Some dutch food is.

700
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 3: Fine i'm.

701
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 2: Vegan It's Western european called food doesn't work very well for, ME.

702
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 3: I just get yelled at By dutch. People that's.

703
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 2: Fine, okay, wait hold. On the Only dutch WORDS i

704
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 2: know are words you used to yell at. People, okay clothes.

705
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,359
Speaker 2: Sock so tell me What i'm being yelled. At, okay all,

706
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 2: right clothes.

707
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 3: Sock that sounds mean stop.

708
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 2: That, yeah it means nut. Sock i'm. Sorry that's. OKAY

709
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 2: i was like people yelling at cops while making this hand,

710
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 2: GESTURE i feel about. Right, YEAH i might be pronouncing

711
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 2: that's terribly. Wrong i've never seen the word written in my,

712
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 2: life BUT.

713
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 3: I liked. It it felt.

714
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 2: Right, yeah. Okay but the Good dutch, food besides falafel

715
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 2: and besides dumbling to get at The asian, food, right

716
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 2: which are the two main good. Ones they had a

717
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 2: pat that was like a mushroom patae that they had

718
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 2: developed DURING i Think World war two when everyone was.

719
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 2: Starving and it's really tasty and it's like really, cheap

720
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 2: and it comes in tubes and you put it on

721
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 2: your little. Crackers The french fries on the street very.

722
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,800
Speaker 2: Good they call Them belgian fries instead Of french. Fries,

723
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 2: yeah oh. No the stroop, waffles which are just sugar

724
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 2: it's just. Sugar, yeah that's WHAT i got For dutch.

725
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 2: Food i'm sure there's some other. Stuff that's WHAT i.

726
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 3: Got i've not been. Educated, yeah, yeah this is really important,

727
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 3: Stuff asian dumplings on the list Of dutch.

728
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:37,760
Speaker 2: FOOD i, Mean amasterday was already a very multicultural, city

729
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 2: and EVERYONE i, MET i mean OBVIOUSLY i met very specific, people,

730
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 2: right was really excited about.

731
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 3: That you.

732
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 2: Know it was like this, RULES i can go over

733
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 2: here and get food from, here and Then i've got

734
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 2: friends who have completely different stories and, like you, know

735
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 2: like some of My american friends who'd Learned, Dutch dutch

736
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 2: is very hard language to, pronounce and so my friends

737
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 2: who Learned, Dutch dutch people would be, LIKE i don't

738
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,399
Speaker 2: know what the fuck you're. Saying but if they went

739
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,479
Speaker 2: and found like The muslim, immigrants they could Speak dutch.

740
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 2: Together oh, really because people who weren't from The netherlands

741
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 2: could understand The, dutch but people from The netherlands were,

742
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 2: LIKE i don't, understand.

743
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 3: So they needed. Subtitles, yeah, yeah.

744
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 2: Exactly, anyway so Reader verdonk has famously told the press

745
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 2: that she doesn't have any blood in her, hands and

746
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,800
Speaker 2: this is the person who's running the immigration and detention

747
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 2: centers in The netherlands at this. Time there's a zine

748
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,320
Speaker 2: called Banner, wars which is one of the main SOURCES

749
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 2: i have for this week THAT i did not, write

750
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 2: BUT i laid out OR i helped lay, out and

751
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 2: it puts it like this. Quote she seems to take

752
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 2: an indecent kind of pleasure from executing inhuman policy as

753
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 2: strictly as. Possible For donk shows no. Mercy to act

754
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 2: firm is her. Motto like, LITERALLY i think this was

755
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 2: her campaign, slogan with something that translates to we must act.

756
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 2: Firm for many, activists she is the face of the

757
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 2: growing xenophobia and racism In dutch society and the dehumanization of.

758
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 2: Immigrants later after this, story she's going to go on

759
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 2: to start a political party Called proud of The, netherlands

760
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 2: which is defined at least By wikipedia as a national

761
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 2: liberalist party basically right wing, nationalists capitalists, okay tough on,

762
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 2: crime pro, business ostensibly pro individual, liberty anti, multiculturalism a

763
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 2: centrist position By american, standards but very right wing By european.

764
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 2: STANDARDS i guess the anti multiculturalism would actually say that's very.

765
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 2: Right that's but the like all of the stuff of

766
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 2: like tough on, crime pro business is like so much

767
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 2: of the twentieth century was like both major political parties

768
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 2: and us fighting over. That but the anti multiculturalism is

769
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 2: a LIKE i will hand that to The democrats or

770
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,439
Speaker 2: not anti they, are they do not earn not open

771
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,280
Speaker 2: whatever ANYWAY i. Did everyone's different as a person. Anyway

772
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 2: i'm not trying to paint what's too broad of a brush.

773
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 2: Hair but do you know what unites all of us

774
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 2: across all. Cultures it's the love that we all have

775
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 2: for the products and services that support this. Podcast the

776
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 2: great unifying force is our love of pressing the fast

777
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 2: forward button a bunch of. Times there you, go here's

778
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 2: some ads.

779
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: And.

780
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 2: REBEC i would like to claim that WHEN i flew

781
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 2: to The netherlands in the spring of two thousand and,

782
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 2: FIVE i knew all of. THIS i did.

783
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 3: Not did you stumble into? This that is the, question not,

784
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,280
Speaker 3: stumble but like it was a little bit, Stumbling, okay.

785
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 2: OKAY i had heard that squatting was legal in The,

786
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 2: netherlands and that's why.

787
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 3: You, went or that's how You, Okay, YEAH i love.

788
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 2: IT i had heard all these wild stories some of

789
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 2: my friends who had Learned, dutch My american friends who

790
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 2: went there for like grad school And, dutch they had

791
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 2: like came back and they would tell all these wild

792
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 2: stories about people on, bicycles like shutting down portions of

793
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 2: the city to defend squats and like open up multicultural

794
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 2: spaces and do all this amazing. Stuff AND i was,

795
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 2: like that's. AMAZING i want to go be part of,

796
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 2: that you. Know And i'd been like hitchhiking and squatting

797
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 2: in THE us and was, LIKE i want to expand my,

798
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 2: horizons and So i'm going in The. Netherlands SO i

799
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 2: worked for months as a, landscaper saved up enough money

800
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 2: to buy a one way ticket To amsterdam without a

801
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:31,439
Speaker 2: single contact. There, besides there's a bar called the Fron.

802
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 3: Craike did you know about it before you went? There the?

803
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 2: Bar, yeah that was the only piece of INFORMATION i

804
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 2: had BEFORE i went.

805
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 3: There and how did you get this information.

806
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 2: From my friends who had been?

807
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 3: Left, okay so they're, like there's a, bar go to this. Bar,

808
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:45,879
Speaker 3: yeah the.

809
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 2: Fron crake gets a squatter. Bar it was a legalized squatter's.

810
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,280
Speaker 2: Bar so it was like not in as much legal.

811
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 2: Threat you, know it's probably. Story oh, ACTUALLY i don't

812
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:55,839
Speaker 2: know if that's. True it was around for a long,

813
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 2: time it may or may not still be. Around this

814
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 2: is a bad idea WHAT i. DID i do not

815
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 2: recommend it to.

816
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 3: PEOPLE i say that takes a level of courage That

817
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 3: i've never. Had first of, all, hitchhiking doing things on a,

818
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:13,839
Speaker 3: whim not a, whim but on like a vibe that. Way,

819
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 3: yeah that is a level of personality That i'm both envious.

820
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 3: Of i'm a little bit like scared for, you concerned.

821
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 2: ABOUT i look back at some of my younger life

822
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 2: And i'm, like well that rules THAT i.

823
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 3: Survived but you have great. STORIES i don't have these.

824
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 3: STORIES i just have. Trauma so like, this this is

825
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 3: a GREAT.

826
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: I THINK i speak for all the Listeners Magpie, memoir when.

827
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 2: Quite possibly we'll see it went. Fine but by, FINE

828
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 2: i mean the second NIGHT i was in The, NETHERLANDS

829
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 2: i spent in forward. Attention so, fine by a certain, measure.

830
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 3: You're alive, today that's the fine.

831
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,840
Speaker 2: Part i'm alive to. Day and now it's a great.

832
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:08,280
Speaker 2: Story at the time it felt like, trauma you know. Exactly,

833
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,240
Speaker 2: Yeah SO i showed up AND i found some. Squatters

834
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 2: the full story of this IS i showed up AND

835
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 2: i went to the front. CRACK i was, like is

836
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 2: this a? Squadbar and the guy who was running the

837
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 2: door was, like, no no, anymore but there's one around the.

838
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 2: Corner SO i ran around around the corner AND i

839
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 2: went to the squad bar and there's like three people

840
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 2: there and they won't talk to. Me oh, No And

841
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,800
Speaker 2: i'm just, like but the food's, free because there's a squad.

842
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,720
Speaker 2: Bar they feed anyone who comes. In you, know they're

843
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,280
Speaker 2: very free. Food but no one will be your. Friend

844
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 2: no one is how to explain this, culture like very

845
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 2: very deeply caring on a you will not die in

846
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 2: our care.

847
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 3: Right but no one wants to get to know. You.

848
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:51,839
Speaker 2: Yeah and eventually a whole bunch of people poured into

849
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 2: the room and they just come back from this. Action

850
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,240
Speaker 2: they told me about how there was this action happening

851
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 2: the next, day because, well they told everyone and they

852
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 2: would speak In dutch and also In english Because english

853
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 2: was sort of the language that more people could understand.

854
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 2: There and they talked about how a mosque In rotterdam

855
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 2: had been burned down the year before it had been

856
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 2: burned down during the same time that people were like

857
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 2: bombying elementary, schools you, know and how anti fascists from

858
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 2: across the. Country we're going to go the next morning

859
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 2: to support The muslim community that was there to, rebuild

860
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 2: because fascists were planning to show up and attack the people, rebuilding,

861
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 2: right The nazis had put out a call being, like

862
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:31,919
Speaker 2: we're going to go attack this. Place so the anti

863
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 2: fascists were, like all, right, well we're going to go defend.

864
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 2: Them so the next MORNING i went To rotterdam with

865
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,760
Speaker 2: the anti fascists to see IF i could make myself.

866
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 2: USEFUL i did.

867
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 3: Not did you have your? Accordion, no, no that's the.

868
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 3: MISTAKE i.

869
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 2: KNOW i actually only had a concertina at this.

870
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: Point oh my, God i'm having a great time.

871
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 2: Today. NO i actually only had a concertina WHEN i

872
00:44:57,960 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 2: first showed.

873
00:44:58,440 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 3: Up in The.

874
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 1: Netherlands only a concert team.

875
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 2: Moved up in the world to an. Accordion, okay but,

876
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 2: yeah much better sounding, instrument especially in my. HANDS i

877
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:13,320
Speaker 2: was not a concertinist to write home. About, besides, anyway,

878
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 2: whatever our crew never made it to the mosque because

879
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 2: the police had cordoned the area off and then were

880
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 2: selectively arresting all the anti. Fascists they would let The nazis,

881
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 2: through but they wouldn't let the anti fascists. Through after

882
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 2: we spent a while trying to sneak our way through

883
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 2: the police, lines we gave. Up and WHEN i say,

884
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 2: WE i wasn't part of the decision making, Here i'm

885
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 2: like twenty two and be, LIKE i don't know what's.

886
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 2: Happening no One's.

887
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 3: I'm talking to. Me i'm just following the.

888
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 2: Crowd all, right here we. Are we gave up and

889
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 2: decided to drive to the immigrant attention center, instead to

890
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 2: raise a ruckus so that the immigrants inside could hear

891
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 2: that some people in The netherlands supported. Them while we were,

892
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 2: there somebody cut the, fence the outer fence of the

893
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:58,479
Speaker 2: detention center like the barbed, wire so the police mass

894
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:01,879
Speaker 2: arrested us while we were leading the detention. Center they

895
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:03,839
Speaker 2: followed the bus out of town and then pulled it

896
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 2: over into a field and made the bus driver drive

897
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 2: us all to. Jail most of the folks were from

898
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:13,320
Speaker 2: all Over, europe but they knew THAT i wasn't AN eu.

899
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 2: Citizen they didn't like. Me i'm going too hard on this.

900
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 2: PARTICULAR i actually ended up with friends. There but, whatever you,

901
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 2: KNOW i look at likely one or two people on

902
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 2: the bus would like even talk to, me, right and

903
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 2: they wouldn't give me the time of. Day but they

904
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 2: had all agreed that they wouldn't bring their passports and

905
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 2: they wouldn't speak anything But english to the cops to

906
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 2: make sure THAT i wouldn't be singled.

907
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 1: Out.

908
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 2: Nice so they held us in cells and they tried

909
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 2: to figure out who the foreigners. Were they would open

910
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,839
Speaker 2: the cell and scream things, like, yeah fucked your mom last?

911
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 2: Night how do you feel about? That but they would

912
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 2: do it In, dutch and so they would see how

913
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 2: people would. Respond if people were like then they'd be,

914
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 2: like all, right that Woman's dutch and let her go.

915
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 2: Right in the, end five of us went To Foreign

916
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 2: attention because they successfully figured out THAT i Wasn't, dutch

917
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 2: so that.

918
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 3: Worked.

919
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 2: Yeah four other people did come with, me, though all

920
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 2: HAD eu, citizenship including Two dutch. People oh you appreciate.

921
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,839
Speaker 2: This later WHEN i got, out someone was, like notice

922
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 2: how they sent all the darker skin people To Foreign,

923
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 2: Attention And i'm, like looking down at, Myself i'm. Sorry

924
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:25,919
Speaker 2: the man that just pointed at me on the. Right.

925
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 2: Exactly this is how much not In, AMERICA i was

926
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 2: anymore dear Listener for anyone who hasn't seen, ME i

927
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 2: am a white. Person no one sees me and thinks anything.

928
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 3: Else, Yeah i'm, Sorry, like, NO i love, you BUT

929
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:44,360
Speaker 3: i would never classify you as anything but, white AND

930
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 3: i adore.

931
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 2: You, yeah no one ever, has except possibly The dutch,

932
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 2: cops BUT i don't.

933
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 3: Know they literally mean you might have a tan from being, outside.

934
00:47:55,200 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 2: Right, yeah so that's how. It's it's.

935
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 3: You know, what you were one of. Us that's.

936
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 2: Fine, yeah, yeah, Exactly that's What i'm trying to. SAY

937
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 2: i LOVE i love. It and so one of The

938
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 2: dutch people who went with me had a similar COLORATION i,

939
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 2: do which is that he was not. Blonde, okay and

940
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 2: so they sent me a foreign. Attention to be, HONEST

941
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,320
Speaker 2: i was feeling really beaten down and. DEFEATED i still

942
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 2: had refused to give them my name or WHERE i was.

943
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:29,839
Speaker 2: FROM i like held the, line BUT i was LIKE

944
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 2: i had done this big leap to get To. EUROPE

945
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 2: i was, LIKE i came all the way here AND

946
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,280
Speaker 2: i THOUGHT i was going to spend years in prison

947
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,360
Speaker 2: because someone had cut the fence of a detention. Center

948
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 2: and The dutch law actually has a criminal association law

949
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 2: where if you're part of a crowd that commits a,

950
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 2: crime you can be held personally liable for that. Crime

951
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 2: AND i knew that, much and SO i was, like all,

952
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 2: RIGHT i guess NOW i live In dutch. Prison this

953
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 2: is WHERE i am. Now but it turns Out i'm

954
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 2: a White, american so it will take you pretty. FAR

955
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 2: i told them my name and THAT i Was american

956
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 2: and they let me.

957
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 3: Go wow that works there.

958
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 2: Too, yeah, yeah not one hundred percent of the. TIME

959
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 2: i have a well that person set a cop car on.

960
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:16,800
Speaker 2: FIRE i know Some americans who've done time in touch. Jail.

961
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 2: Whoops this is a fun. Episode one kid went, by

962
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 2: like literally a. Kid he was sixteen years. Old he

963
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:24,959
Speaker 2: had gone to foreign attention with me AND i yelled

964
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 2: Speak dutch and he turned around and Spoke dutch and

965
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 2: they let him. Go they had Another dutch guy in

966
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:32,479
Speaker 2: a holding cell and they're interrogating him IN forid. Attention they're,

967
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 2: like we know your Friend's. American just Speak dutch and

968
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 2: will let you. Go but he thought they were lying

969
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 2: because they would be that is something they absolutely would

970
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:42,839
Speaker 2: have lied and said so he's, LIKE i only Speak.

971
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 2: English so they get The dutch kid to go tell him, like,

972
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 2: eh The american gave herself, up you, know so he's released.

973
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 2: Too we made it back To. AMSTERDAM i was sitting

974
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 2: on a park bench when this woman is ten or

975
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 2: twenty years older than me walked by with a giant

976
00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 2: dog and she's, like, oh you're The american who just got.

977
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 2: Arrested she had been on the bus, too and she

978
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 2: fed meat. Dinner oh. Nice and the important part of the.

979
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 2: Story AND i KNOW i keep hitting this point. Home

980
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:12,839
Speaker 2: it is related to the point of the. Story this

981
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:13,879
Speaker 2: didn't make me any.

982
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 3: Friends OH i was gonna be like the lady she's your.

983
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 2: Friend, now, yeah she became my. Friend and also the

984
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 2: sixteen year old kid who got interest with me went

985
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 2: To Foreign attention with. Me he's actually the one who

986
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 2: sometimes listens to. It he is not sixteen. Anymore. Uh

987
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 2: he was shocked to know at what the age. Too yeah.

988
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 2: WEIRD i, KNOW i grew up tall and.

989
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 3: Old that's so.

990
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 2: Weird, yeah these people had my, back not because they liked,

991
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 2: me not because they were, like, oh you're a super cool.

992
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 2: Activist you're willing to risk jail or. Whatever they risked

993
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 2: all of this because they was a person that was

994
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 2: literally the only piece of information they had to. Know

995
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 2: they had to know THAT i was not given the

996
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 2: same legal protections that other people in their country, were

997
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 2: and so they would all take those risks literally alongside, Me,

998
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:10,240
Speaker 2: LIKE i believe that those people would have spent months

999
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 2: and foreign attention with me IF i had stayed and

1000
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 2: foreign attention and you simply do not let people get singled.

1001
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 2: Out you have people's. Backs one of the REASONS i

1002
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 2: believe people would have spent months in foreign attention with.

1003
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 2: Me one of the people who was in foreign attention

1004
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 2: with me was later caught bicycling without a light on his.

1005
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 2: Bicycle the cops demand HIS, id and he was, Like

1006
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:37,439
Speaker 2: i'm a citizen of the. WORLD i will not show

1007
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 2: you MY. Id they asked him if he's AN eu.

1008
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 2: Citizen he refused to. Answer he went to foreign attention

1009
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 2: for a, month and then finally at the end of

1010
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:47,359
Speaker 2: the month he's, like, Yeah I'm.

1011
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 3: Polish.

1012
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 2: Yeah one man gave a speech WHILE i was there

1013
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:57,319
Speaker 2: that was just we are, squatters we are Not, dutch

1014
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 2: we are citizens of the. World and they believed, it

1015
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:02,720
Speaker 2: and the actors like, it AND i will never forget

1016
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 2: that that is what solidarity looks. Like so when we

1017
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:10,320
Speaker 2: come back next, week we will, talk not wait next week.

1018
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 2: Earlier this Is. Wednesday that's the. Day. Wednesday we're going

1019
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:18,720
Speaker 2: to talk about the fight that some of those literal

1020
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 2: same people and other people in The netherlands put up

1021
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 2: a fight against the detention of migrants and asylum. Seekers

1022
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:27,799
Speaker 2: AND i promise you more, antics And i'm even going

1023
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 2: to try for a rousing. Conclusion i'm.

1024
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 3: Excited, thanks and more accordion.

1025
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 2: Here i'll tell you Another accordion. Anecdote THEN i became

1026
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 2: friends with that very first person who was the bouncer

1027
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 2: at The squad, bar the first PERSON i talked to

1028
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:45,319
Speaker 2: in The netherlands probably you. Know we'd been, like, nah

1029
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 2: there's another bar around the. Corn he's a, bouncer and

1030
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:49,839
Speaker 2: HE'S i don't want to adam whatever if he Wasn't dutch.

1031
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 2: Either he actually spent some time in prison for defending

1032
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:55,840
Speaker 2: the Squad and one Day i'm Playing accordion and he

1033
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 2: walks by And i'm, like, hey, like where are you?

1034
00:52:58,280 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 2: Going where are you coming? From you, know and he's

1035
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 2: Like i'm coming from the. Gym i'm like twenty. Two

1036
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 2: i'm like, why and he's, like because we want to

1037
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 2: have a revolution and we must be stronger than the.

1038
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 2: Police i'm just.

1039
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 3: Like, damn yeah that's. Phrase, yeah that's the.

1040
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 2: Quote i'm not advocating that as like the thing that

1041
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 2: everyone needs to go, do but just hearing someone be,

1042
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:27,920
Speaker 2: like because we're trying to accomplish a thing and we

1043
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:29,360
Speaker 2: need to be capable of accomplishing a.

1044
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 3: Thing gott to meet the more of. That, yeah that

1045
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 3: involves a.

1046
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 2: Gym, yeah, ANYWAY i don't Know i've changed your mind

1047
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 2: about The. Netherless probably.

1048
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:44,439
Speaker 3: NOT i feel like it doesn't hold well That i'm

1049
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:47,359
Speaker 3: not that there's Not asian people, there but you, know.

1050
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 2: Yeah there absolutely. Are but, yeah all, right well you

1051
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:52,360
Speaker 2: got anything you want to plug? Here at the end

1052
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:53,400
Speaker 2: of first, Episode oh, YEAH i.

1053
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 3: Forgot that's the thing we. Do i'm just enjoying the conversation. Though,

1054
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 3: Yeah i've been so long AND i love this. Moment,

1055
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 3: yes you can come and listen to my, show WHICH

1056
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 3: i host With, annie and we talk about all things.

1057
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 3: Intersectional we love to talk about current, issues past, issues past,

1058
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:13,720
Speaker 3: people present, people and we have also talked about things

1059
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 3: that are happening in THE us that are really really.

1060
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 3: Awful seemingly that's not getting much. Better but that's okay

1061
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 3: because we also love some, resistance and we also love,

1062
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 3: education then that can be resistance in. Itself so come

1063
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 3: and listen to. That, yeah everything else is boring in my.

1064
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 2: Life so that's often. NICE i quite like that my

1065
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 2: life is substantially more boring than it was when it

1066
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 2: was when where these stories come, from real appreciative of

1067
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 2: that part of my life where people are, like how

1068
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 2: was your? Week And i'm, like, MAN i kicked so

1069
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