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Speaker 1: No Dunks Inc. We have another great batch of questions tasks,
Speaker 1: but before we do, had some coaching news that we
Speaker 1: can just quickly slip in here. I'll just lump them
Speaker 1: together and you can go wherever you want with it.
Speaker 1: The Pelicans hired Stan Van Gundy and his Twitter account
Speaker 1: as their next head coach, and the Pacers hired Raptors
Speaker 1: assistant Nate Jorkrin as next head coach. So from Nate
Speaker 1: to Nate there in Indiana. But the Pelicans hiring the
Speaker 1: notorious SVG I think is maybe the bigger news to
Speaker 1: a lot of at least casual fans, probably knowing that name.
Speaker 2: What do you think, Well, he is a great coach
Speaker 2: and we are going to miss him. On the tweets,
Speaker 2: he was a fantastic Twitter follower. He says he's going
Speaker 2: to continue with the tweets. At the same time he
Speaker 2: is going to tone it down, and he said he
Speaker 2: is representing an organization now, so things are going to
Speaker 2: be a little different on the Twitter. But yeah, it's
Speaker 2: going to make a difference in our lives. No tweets,
Speaker 2: no stand on the broadcast No Stand on NBA TV.
Speaker 2: Listen when you watch him or listen to him on
Speaker 2: any basketball program. You know, the guy is extremely thorough
Speaker 2: and everything he does and extremely knowledgeable. He's not going
Speaker 2: to be outworked, and that's what all of his players
Speaker 2: have said throughout the year's great reviews. He's also known
Speaker 2: for establishing a great defense, and that's exactly what he
Speaker 2: needs to do in New Orleans. That's his primary job.
Speaker 2: We saw what happened in the bubble. They just kind
Speaker 2: of fell apart. He told Zach in July, I think
Speaker 2: their personnel is good enough defensively, as a transcribed there
Speaker 2: by Dan Devine, And maybe that got him the job.
Speaker 2: Maybe David Griffin was listening to the Zach Low podcast
Speaker 2: and said, this is perfect after what happened to Alvin
Speaker 2: Gentry in the bubble there. His team just it didn't
Speaker 2: show up. It really didn't with with you know, Zion
Speaker 2: in and out of the bubble may have been an
Speaker 2: issue and having to deal with his minutes, but the
Speaker 2: fact is they weren't working hard. You got guys like
Speaker 2: Drew Holliday, Lonzo Ball to be able to be able
Speaker 2: or should be able to really contribute on that end,
Speaker 2: Brandon Ingram, can stan Van get something out of him?
Speaker 2: And is Derek Favor is going to come back. I'm
Speaker 2: interested in that because I want to see Zion Williamson
Speaker 2: at the five just purely from a fan standpoint, and
Speaker 2: I think stan Van is inventive enough or was just
Speaker 2: curious to see that enough, so he'll try that out.
Speaker 2: But I think that what it comes down to is
Speaker 2: those names, Zion Williamson on the defensive end, sam Van
Speaker 2: Gundy with Wake Griffin most recently in Detroit, Dwight Howard
Speaker 2: back in Orlando. He will get on guys, and I
Speaker 2: think that's what it's about. It's about accountability, It's about
Speaker 2: superstars being held to their highest level, and stan Van
Speaker 2: is going to do that. So there is definitely hope
Speaker 2: after an up and down five years for Alvin Gentry.
Speaker 2: I think I think stan Vand is a good choice
Speaker 2: for sure to try and get them to play hard
Speaker 2: on that end. I mean, that's what it really comes
Speaker 2: down to is have a program superstars got to work,
Speaker 2: and I think I think Sveg can do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think the Pelicans were twenty first
Speaker 1: in the NBA last regular season when it came to
Speaker 1: defensive efficiency so below Averagely you know you're gonna hope
Speaker 1: to get that least above average or average. Do you
Speaker 1: think this higher though SVG in New Orleans? Do you
Speaker 1: think it makes it less likely more likely that a
Speaker 1: guy like Holiday stays there, maybe even Reddick. Both of
Speaker 1: those guys unrestricted free agencies. After the season, you will
Speaker 1: those guys still be on the trade market. It favors
Speaker 1: you know, tast mentioned as well, Like I wonder with
Speaker 1: him coming in there, especially Hollanda as the best of
Speaker 1: the bunch there, what do you think about that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's just about their timeline. Really, He's
Speaker 3: got some history with JJ Redick stand van in Orlando,
Speaker 3: so he might want to have his veteran presence on
Speaker 3: the roster there. But if you're JJ Redick, you probably
Speaker 3: look at this roster and think we're not competing for
Speaker 3: a championship in the next season or two. When he's
Speaker 3: you know, he's probably only got a couple of years
Speaker 3: left in the league, so he may want to go on.
Speaker 3: But I wouldn't be surprised if Stan's like, listen, I
Speaker 3: just want you around to help out, help sort of
Speaker 3: coach these younger guys. As for Drew Holliday, I mean,
Speaker 3: we know he's a great player, we know he's a
Speaker 3: great defensive player, but again he is he sort of
Speaker 3: looking right now and thinking, if I'm going to win
Speaker 3: a championship, it's not going to be here in New
Speaker 3: Orleans because it's not going to happen for the next
Speaker 3: two or three seasons at least, no matter how well
Speaker 3: Zion Williams developed. So I think Drew Holiday probably probably
Speaker 3: wants to move on and probably wants to go to
Speaker 3: a team that's a little bit closer to contending. But
Speaker 3: of course it comes back down to them what they
Speaker 3: can can they get in return for him? What sort
Speaker 3: of package do the Pelicans want? Do they want younger guys,
Speaker 3: do they want hicks, do they want assets? You know,
Speaker 3: to build for the future here with Zion, Because clearly
Speaker 3: Zion is the key and they have to get the
Speaker 3: right players around him, but they also have to get
Speaker 3: pieces that fit around him. And the big question of
Speaker 3: course is Brandon England is that a long term fit
Speaker 3: there together? But in you know, aside from that, they
Speaker 3: have to get pieces that are going to sort of
Speaker 3: be able to grow with Zion. And sort of reach
Speaker 3: their peak at the same time. So that's going to
Speaker 3: be the question. I think you get something good in
Speaker 3: return for Drew Holiday, So I think he's got some value.
Speaker 3: It's just whether or not the Pelicans want to have
Speaker 3: some veterans around or do they want to just sort
Speaker 3: of basically blow it up and start now building around Zion.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is what's interesting about the sveg Higher. It
Speaker 1: says to me, hey, we want to win now. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is not like ant Borkrin or like some you know,
Speaker 1: unnamed assistant that we don't know of, and it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: we'll come in and you know, we'll look four or
Speaker 1: five years in the future, and obviously he's as Zion
Speaker 1: as our centerpiece and we will be a contending team
Speaker 1: down the road. This team you get Sam van Gundy.
Speaker 1: You're saying to me, at least, no, we want to
Speaker 1: win now. No, I'm not saying title, but we want
Speaker 1: to get into the playoffs. We want to be, you know,
Speaker 1: a contender of some sort. So that's what that's fascinating.
Speaker 1: And then yeah, how much does that play with keeping
Speaker 1: Drew Holiday or not? How many picks can you get
Speaker 1: for Drew holiday. You know, are you looking at like
Speaker 1: what Conley got in his return? You know that type
Speaker 1: of thing. So, yeah, a lot of questions here. I'm
Speaker 1: excited that I'm with your task. It sucks that he
Speaker 1: won't be on the call because he's one of the best.
Speaker 1: I do like that we have an NBA TV front
Speaker 1: office though now in David Griffin and stan Via Guddy
Speaker 1: together feels like we're part of the team in a
Speaker 1: weird way. But yeah, it's it's a it's an interesting
Speaker 1: decision to like for me. Again, I don't know if
Speaker 1: that's ownership from the Pelicans, if that's Griff himself, Like, no, no,
Speaker 1: we want to win now, and we think we've got
Speaker 1: obviously some young talent here and we'll see who stays
Speaker 1: and what we can get in return for some of
Speaker 1: these older guys maybe, But yeah, we're gonna go get
Speaker 1: some w's right now because stan Van that's what he's
Speaker 1: gonna do, and he's hopefully gonna make that defense better.
Speaker 1: You know, Dan Devine did have a great article I
Speaker 1: thought I shared it on Twitter talking about Van Gundy teams.
Speaker 1: They control the defensive glass, they keep opponents off the line,
Speaker 1: keep them out of transition, which the Pelicans were brutal at.
Speaker 1: They take care of the ball for the most part,
Speaker 1: and they force the other team to shoot the shots
Speaker 1: that they don't want to take. It's pretty simple stuff, really,
Speaker 1: but that's what stan Fanny tries to implement, those like
Speaker 1: the classic don't kill yourself, like like, just don't make
Speaker 1: it easier for your opponents. So they should be better.
Speaker 1: They're instantly going to be better, I think with stan
Speaker 1: Maan Gunny as their coach, But how much better in
Speaker 1: a loaded West? I mean, like, are the Pelicans to you?
Speaker 1: I know this is tough right now here in October
Speaker 1: and we don't even know when the season is starting,
Speaker 1: But are they a playoff team? Are they a lock
Speaker 1: to make the playoffs?
Speaker 2: That should be that should be their expectation. I think
Speaker 2: so you think they're luck?
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: But the goal. But this is what hiring Stanman Gundy
Speaker 1: is saying.
Speaker 2: You think, yeah, I think. I think there's two extremes
Speaker 2: we saw in one season last year, the expectations fell out,
Speaker 2: fell off the table because Zion Williamson wasn't there. And
Speaker 2: then when we saw him come back, the expectations went
Speaker 2: through the roof. And if he's healthy, I think we're
Speaker 2: all sort of we're all in the boat where we're
Speaker 2: still kind of sour with what happened in the bubble,
Speaker 2: just as far as you know fan base goes. But
Speaker 2: big picture, if David Griffin sits back and looks at
Speaker 2: what Zion did and what his team look like on
Speaker 2: the offensive end for a good chunk of his minutes,
Speaker 2: he's got to be pumped. And so yeah, you bring
Speaker 2: in Standan because you want to win right now. I
Speaker 2: think Drew Holiday is there next year because stan Van
Speaker 2: is a guy who wants Drew Holiday on the floor
Speaker 2: big time. So I expect them to have the same
Speaker 2: type of team. And it would be a huge disappointment
Speaker 2: if Zion is healthy next year and they don't make
Speaker 2: the playoffs for them, because it's there's a lot to
Speaker 2: tanker with. And I think that's when stan Van, when
Speaker 2: he's on zach Low in July, he wasn't, you know,
Speaker 2: pining for the job back then. That was Alvin Gentry's
Speaker 2: job back then. But if you listen to that podcast,
Speaker 2: you can hear the gleam in stan Ban Gundy's eye
Speaker 2: is pumped to just talk about that roster to talk
Speaker 2: about Drew Holiday and Zion Williamson and what everybody was
Speaker 2: excited for last year. You know, when we're looking forward
Speaker 2: to Game one, Zion is going to take the floor,
Speaker 2: and then he got injured and it didn't happen until
Speaker 2: you know, he hit four threes against the Spurs. I
Speaker 2: guess it was January when he came back. But I
Speaker 2: think they have enough talent. And we talked about defense.
Speaker 2: Zion Williamson. There's the highlight that is played constantly from
Speaker 2: his college days where he's in the lane and he
Speaker 2: goes out and blocks a shot in the corner with
Speaker 2: like a step and a half, like a Yiannis like step.
Speaker 2: He can be, if he's held accountable, a great defensive
Speaker 2: player as well, and they've got the offensive tools. You know,
Speaker 2: Brandon England is a star. So I think their goals
Speaker 2: should definitely be the playoffs, and if they're healthy, they
Speaker 2: should definitely be disappointed if they don't make it. It's exciting.
Speaker 2: It feels like it's almost like, you know, whatever it
Speaker 2: was twelve months ago when everyone was pumped to see
Speaker 2: Zion on the floor.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think with Drew Holiday too, the idea of
Speaker 1: trading him or not. I think it's totally up to him.
Speaker 1: I think if Drew Holiday, I think he's so respected
Speaker 1: in this league and I'm sure has a great relationship
Speaker 1: with the Pelicans that if he said, like you were saying, ly,
Speaker 1: if he was like, I want to go win a ring,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think it's going to happen here
Speaker 1: in the next couple of years. You guys are set
Speaker 1: up maybe for the long term, but I want to
Speaker 1: go get that. I'm getting to that point in my career.
Speaker 1: I think they would because he's obviously would be coming
Speaker 1: up to free agency unrestricted free agency a year from now.
Speaker 1: I think they would honor that, and I think they
Speaker 1: would look to see what they could get for him.
Speaker 1: But I'm not so sure he would. Actually, I don't know.
Speaker 1: You know, Drew Holly doesn't seem like that type of
Speaker 1: guy to me either, Like I have no idea, Like
Speaker 1: maybe he was just like, no this, you know, we
Speaker 1: got a new coach in here, let's see what we
Speaker 1: can do. And maybe, like task, I sort of split.
Speaker 1: The difference here is you don't trade him this off season,
Speaker 1: whatever the hell the off season means anymore, but you
Speaker 1: wait until whenever the trade deadline is right, and then
Speaker 1: you know, you get the odd desperate team and maybe
Speaker 1: the trade package coming back is a little juicier. Maybe
Speaker 1: there's an extra pick, maybe there's another younger, small, younger
Speaker 1: asset that's included. So yeah, I sort of now think
Speaker 1: if I'm a betting guy, I wouldn't. I don't think
Speaker 1: Holly will be on a different team at the start
Speaker 1: of next season, though I still sort of have an
Speaker 1: idea that he will be traded around the trade deadline
Speaker 1: because at that point, you know, who knows what your
Speaker 1: team has done up to that point, how many wins
Speaker 1: you have. Are the Pelicans in a race, a playoff race?
Speaker 1: Have they shocked people in like a fifth seed? Who knows?
Speaker 1: But I sort of think he will be there now
Speaker 1: at the start of the year. And I think Reddick
Speaker 1: as well. Favors is an interesting one, but we will
Speaker 1: see anything to add before we get to the questions
Speaker 1: with the Pacers hiring Raptors assistant Nate Yorkrin, I believe
Speaker 1: I'm saying that right. You know, it's one of those
Speaker 1: ones that I think is not that difficult to say,
Speaker 1: but it looks crazy, right, But yeah, I mean, this
Speaker 1: was a little out of left field Lee. You know,
Speaker 1: there was all There's been a lot of big names
Speaker 1: being thrown around, you know, coaches that have coached before,
Speaker 1: and this guy gets his first shot here in Indiana.
Speaker 3: What do you think they're hoping to get Nick Nurse? Light? Really,
Speaker 3: because it's been with Nick Nurse a long time. I
Speaker 3: think you're dieting back twelve or thirteen years when they
Speaker 3: first started coaching together. And he's going to try to
Speaker 3: adapt a lot of the principles that Nick Nurse is
Speaker 3: implemented there Toronto three pointers, move that ball, and you
Speaker 3: know what, if things aren't working, I'm going to try things.
Speaker 3: I'm going to try things differently. I'm going to try
Speaker 3: to improve the defense. He likes that opportunity, likes that team.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think it's a bit of a flyer
Speaker 3: here for sure for the Paces because he's a relative
Speaker 3: unknown to most basketball fans. But I think they look
Speaker 3: at the success that Nick Nurse had and how he
Speaker 3: was able to communicate with players, and that's one of
Speaker 3: the things that Bjork spoke about. He said, we've got
Speaker 3: to communicate, We've got to get everyone on the same page.
Speaker 3: And that's one thing that Nick Nurse has been very,
Speaker 3: very successful with So if the Pacers can get a
Speaker 3: guy who's able to communicate with his players and get
Speaker 3: the same sort of respect from them, then things should
Speaker 3: improve the Pacers. I think this is a playoff team.
Speaker 3: It's just they've been this same sort of on the
Speaker 3: treadmill here for a couple of years now, where they
Speaker 3: make the playoffs. They're good enough to make the playoffs,
Speaker 3: you know, bit seed, six seed even higher, but that's
Speaker 3: they can't really get any further than that. So the
Speaker 3: Pacers are hoping to turn a corner. They've got a
Speaker 3: few question marks, of course, with their roster as whether
Speaker 3: or not on the deepot stays maybe Miles Turner, so
Speaker 3: that it will be some interesting things they have for Indiana.
Speaker 3: But I think it's it's I think it's worth shot.
Speaker 1: Why not.
Speaker 3: I think he's done his time and they've seen success
Speaker 3: with Nick Nurse, and I think maybe Night you can
Speaker 3: have the same sort of impact on oucing anything to
Speaker 3: add tests.
Speaker 2: No, it's just kind of hard to evaluate because you
Speaker 2: don't know what his roster is going to be. We
Speaker 2: don't know if Victor Oladipo is going to be there.
Speaker 2: I assume he's got the the htzpah of a nick nurse,
Speaker 2: like he's going to take some chances and try and
Speaker 2: get creative on the offensive end. But who the heck
Speaker 2: knows the Pacers roster next year. I mean, we really
Speaker 2: have no idea, and that leads us into our first question.
Speaker 2: Unless you want to talk, No, let's do it some Nate. Yeah,
Speaker 2: let's do it, because we've got a hypothetical here. We
Speaker 2: got a who says no. I know you're excitedly. Hello,
Speaker 2: No Dunks. I love your podcast. I listen to you
Speaker 2: guys so much that I think of you all as friends.
Speaker 2: My question today is a who says no, The Warriors
Speaker 2: trade Andrew Wiggins and they're twenty twenty second overall pick
Speaker 2: for the Pacers, TJ Warren and Miles Turner. I think
Speaker 2: the Warriors do it because they move on from Andrew Wiggins.
Speaker 2: They just got the guy, and in return get back
Speaker 2: a solid third scoring option to TJ. Warren and get
Speaker 2: a great defensive center and Miles Turner who can try
Speaker 2: and slow down Anthony Davis. I think the Pacers do
Speaker 2: it because they start a proper rebuild and get a
Speaker 2: solid young player in the second overall pick who they
Speaker 2: can build around turn up love you guys. Awesome. That's
Speaker 2: from Morgan, our friend in Australia, skeets, what do you
Speaker 2: think of this? Warriors Pacers? Who says no deal?
Speaker 1: I'll tell you who says no? The Pacers say no,
Speaker 1: The Warriors say absolutely yes, instantaneously, yes, come on, come on, okay.
Speaker 1: First all, I couldn't believe that this actually checks out,
Speaker 1: like you can actually do this trade. You read it
Speaker 1: and you're like, how is that gonna work? You know,
Speaker 1: financially it does because Wiggins makes USh ton of money,
Speaker 1: you know, twenty nine point five million, still three years
Speaker 1: to go. The number two pick, you know obviously rookie
Speaker 1: scale con track type thing, that's going to be close
Speaker 1: to nine million. But then Warren eleven point seven million
Speaker 1: for two years, Turner seventeen point five million for three years.
Speaker 1: So basically adding those two gets you to Wiggins. So
Speaker 1: it does work. Here is why though, I just think
Speaker 1: the Pacers say no, and this is like a I'm
Speaker 1: glad we got to this because you've seen a lot
Speaker 1: of these, Like the Warriors are going to trade the
Speaker 1: number two pick, what could they get back? Who could
Speaker 1: they get back? There is an overall lack of consensus
Speaker 1: surrounding the top available prospects in this draft. Now, I
Speaker 1: am not a draft expert, but that is that is clear.
Speaker 1: If this were to happen, there's no way it goes
Speaker 1: through without I think Golden State having to throw in
Speaker 1: another pick in the They have to probably throw in
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty one Minnesota pick from the D'Angelo Russell trade,
Speaker 1: which is protected top three and twenty twenty one and
Speaker 1: then is unprotected. Now things that gets a little more
Speaker 1: interesting to me because you have the Pacers taking on
Speaker 1: the bigger, longer term deal in Wiggins, who, by the way,
Speaker 1: of those three guys that we mentioned, is he the
Speaker 1: worst player easily? Yes, exactly, so you'd have to be.
Speaker 2: I think we're super pumped about TJ. Warren's right.
Speaker 1: No, I'm not super pumped at all about TJ.
Speaker 2: Warren.
Speaker 1: Well, but he's Wiggins is not as good as a TJ.
Speaker 2: Warren.
Speaker 1: I'd rather hit on my team at the contract he
Speaker 1: is task basically.
Speaker 2: A third Okay, well, you're throwing two things in there.
Speaker 2: Is he the best better? I mean, is he going
Speaker 2: to be your small forward on a championship team like
Speaker 2: are the Warriors going to say, hey, this guy's are
Speaker 2: starting small forward on our championship team. TJ.
Speaker 1: Warren, Well, yeah, you you are holding I mean, Wiggins
Speaker 1: Island is completely yours now, but ulmost respect it. But
Speaker 1: I just don't think the Pacers do this without another
Speaker 1: pick being thrown in. There is my point, because again,
Speaker 1: this draft is not like you're not getting John Moran
Speaker 1: at number two here, you know, you like you're you
Speaker 1: don't even know who you're gonna get because you don't
Speaker 1: know first off of Minnesota is keeping the number one
Speaker 1: pick and who they're taking or if it's traded, who
Speaker 1: the hell the other team is taken? So who's let
Speaker 1: you know? I mean, are you getting Ball? Are you
Speaker 1: getting Wiseman? Are you getting Edwards? Like you don't really know?
Speaker 1: And all three of those guys, by the way, again
Speaker 1: I'm not an expert when it comes to draft, but
Speaker 1: no one's like, well, they're a ten time All Star,
Speaker 1: you know, they're future All NBA player. Like people are
Speaker 1: not saying that by any means with a lot of
Speaker 1: these guys. So it's a huge unknown. So I just
Speaker 1: think in this scenario, and this is to our friend Morgan,
Speaker 1: this is an easy who says no that the Pacers
Speaker 1: would say no, they would need more. But all that
Speaker 1: to say, I mean there is there are packages for
Speaker 1: Wiggins and the number two pick and maybe another pick
Speaker 1: out there. I just don't think it's going to be
Speaker 1: as juicy as what I think is a pretty good
Speaker 1: return in TJ. Warren and Miles Turner. Those are two
Speaker 1: really complimentary players in my opinion, to Steph Curry, Clay
Speaker 1: and Draymond Lee.
Speaker 3: You agree or disagree, No, I agree, I would if
Speaker 3: I'm the Pices, I would not want Andrew Wiggins coming
Speaker 3: back for giving up those two players. I mean, TJ.
Speaker 3: Warren I think would actually be a nice fit on
Speaker 3: that team. If you've got Steph and Clay and Draymond
Speaker 3: out there, and I'm forgetting someone. No, but then and
Speaker 3: then t J. I warren't just shoot three pointers in
Speaker 3: the corner. I think that's that's okay, That's what the
Speaker 3: paces of the war we look for. They don't need
Speaker 3: someone else who's going to command a whole lot of
Speaker 3: the ball.
Speaker 1: And the Warriors would do this in a hopeing at
Speaker 1: this point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, as Myles Turner, I mean, I'm not a huge
Speaker 3: fan of his right now, but I think again, in
Speaker 3: the right team, on the right system, he could improve.
Speaker 3: But yeah, what you were saying there as well is
Speaker 3: about the draft. No one knows anything really about how
Speaker 3: deep this draft is. A because we didn't see a
Speaker 3: lot of these guys play, and B it's just not
Speaker 3: being hyped up. A lot of people have got like
Speaker 3: multiple different guys going in that one or two spot.
Speaker 3: So yeah, if I'm the Paces, you need way more
Speaker 3: than that in return if you're going to give up
Speaker 3: those two players. And if you're the Warriors, though, again
Speaker 3: you're in a win now mode. So a rookie coming
Speaker 3: onto that team, I'm not sure how much that fits anyway.
Speaker 3: So I think the Warriors are definitely looking to move
Speaker 3: and get some more veterans, So yeah, I think they
Speaker 3: would do that as well. But see, I.
Speaker 1: Agree with that. But my point is usually the number
Speaker 1: two pick, wow, I'm intrigued because usually that means I'm
Speaker 1: getting a real damn good player. I think it's different
Speaker 1: this year. I think it's a bunch of unknowns and
Speaker 1: it's like it doesn't have as much value as it
Speaker 1: normally would at the number two spot. I think that's
Speaker 1: my point So if I was again Indiana in this scenario,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna need more. I'm just gonna need it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna need another pick. I'm gonna need that Minnesota pick.
Speaker 1: Throw it in, all right, top three protected twenty twenty
Speaker 1: one and then unprotected. That's a little juice here, because
Speaker 1: now you're looking at drafts down the line, and you're
Speaker 1: Indiana and you're rebuilding and all that, and you're moving
Speaker 1: guys anyway, So you would just ask for more. That's
Speaker 1: what I think tasks, but you don't mind it well.
Speaker 2: I think the Pacers would be inclined to say yes
Speaker 2: just because they get that number two pick. Just a
Speaker 2: number two pick just doesn't come around very often. I know,
Speaker 2: everybody doesn't know who is going one, two, three, and
Speaker 2: there are teams that are thinking, well, maybe we can
Speaker 2: trade down from two to eight and still get our guy,
Speaker 2: because there's just there's so many varying opinions. But if
Speaker 2: you want to start a rebuild, like the Pacers sure
Speaker 2: seem like they do, if Victor Oladipo is going to
Speaker 2: go somewhere else, if he is not the star that
Speaker 2: they thought they had in twenty eighteen when he was
Speaker 2: dueling Lebron in a seven game series. Well, then maybe
Speaker 2: you got to move on and to get a number
Speaker 2: two pick. Look up and down their roster that they
Speaker 2: don't have a high pick sitting on their bench. They
Speaker 2: just don't. So yes, I understand that you may not
Speaker 2: get a star at the number two pick, but I
Speaker 2: think that starts the conversation for this trade because you
Speaker 2: may want to move on from TJ. Warren when his
Speaker 2: value is ridiculously high here if you're going to start
Speaker 2: the rebuilding and Miles Turner, as solid as he's been,
Speaker 2: he hasn't really impressed to the level that everyone expected to.
Speaker 2: So I don't know. If I'm the Warriors, I try
Speaker 2: and get somebody else for the number two pick. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Miles Turner, A you're gonna have out there guarding Anthony Davis,
Speaker 2: I guess, but I don't know's there's big question marks
Speaker 2: on both sides when you look at this deal. And
Speaker 2: I know Andrew Wiggins is a question mark in and
Speaker 2: of himself for sure, but they're going to give him
Speaker 2: a chance to guard some people on the wing. And
Speaker 2: Lea saying, you know TJ. Warren in the corner hanging out, well,
Speaker 2: Andrew Wiggins hanging out and being a third option as well.
Speaker 2: And you know he can he can play defense? Will
Speaker 2: he Who the heck knows this? I mean, who says no?
Speaker 2: Who says yes? It's a very difficult question.
Speaker 1: How about this trade idea? Then I saw SI dot
Speaker 1: com threw this one out Wiggins the number two pick
Speaker 1: and that Minnesota twenty twenty one pick, because again, I
Speaker 1: think that's gonna have to be included in a lot
Speaker 1: of these to Atlanta Lee for Clint Capella and the
Speaker 1: number six pick. Warriors stay in the draft, obviously slide
Speaker 1: down a little bit, so they're gonna be able to
Speaker 1: pick someone that you're gonna have to be nice to
Speaker 1: have a cheap guy on our roster with obviously a
Speaker 1: bunch of money. And you get Clint Capella as you're
Speaker 1: big to pair with all your shooters, a guy that
Speaker 1: you're gonna then you know, is you're gonna be I
Speaker 1: guess asked to try and guard the Anthony Davison and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. What do you think of that one? Wiggins
Speaker 1: number two pick, twenty twenty one Minnesota pick for Capella
Speaker 1: and the number six pick.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you're getting too like high picks basically in
Speaker 3: exchange there for Capella and Wiggins. I think the Hawks
Speaker 3: would do that, I mean, because they're at a different
Speaker 3: place right now. The only question is Trey Young. We
Speaker 3: know was frustrated with front office last year where he
Speaker 3: was like, I need some players around me. I want
Speaker 3: to start winning. So with that upset him a little bit.
Speaker 3: If you're like, Okay, we're sort of stocking up again
Speaker 3: for next year's draft, and we're getting another high draft pick,
Speaker 3: another guy to develop, so we're going to sort of
Speaker 3: the timeline gets pushed back a little bit further. So
Speaker 3: they may be cautious of that, but in theory otherwise,
Speaker 3: I think, yes, you do that. If the Atlanta Horse
Speaker 3: could just accumulate those assets, keep going until you're ready,
Speaker 3: because you've got some good players, there're some good potential,
Speaker 3: but someone like John Collins, I mean, how much better
Speaker 3: is he going to get? And is he guy for
Speaker 3: the future, So maybe you can look to sort of
Speaker 3: maybe move him in a package. And if you've got
Speaker 3: another draft pick there, that's when you can sort of
Speaker 3: start to sweepen deals if you want to try to
Speaker 3: get another player. So that's how I think it works.
Speaker 3: I think if you the Hawks, yes, you do that,
Speaker 3: and then we.
Speaker 1: Would have Wiggins right here in our backyard. Oh man,
Speaker 1: click copella. Would he wouldn't even have played a game
Speaker 1: if there's something like those went down for the high
Speaker 1: play for them, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't, I don't remember, no, no, no.
Speaker 2: I saw some footage of him and Tree looking at
Speaker 2: a whiteboard looking over a play, and I thought, where
Speaker 2: the heck is that from? But I guess they hung
Speaker 2: out and right, they've just never played. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 2: did a little work together. But yeah, they would move
Speaker 2: on before he played a game, just like Morgan. Email
Speaker 2: are saying that Andrew Wiggins, well, they'd move on from
Speaker 2: Andrew Wiggins. They just got the guy. But I understand,
Speaker 2: I understand Wiggins is a very polarized.
Speaker 3: He's going to be a hoppy title I think for sure. Yeah,
Speaker 3: people are like, yeah, I mean, he's got that huge contract,
Speaker 3: but he's the number one pick, he's got talent, he's athletic.
Speaker 3: Maybe we can get something out of him, but he'll
Speaker 3: end up on IT teams and geez.
Speaker 1: I mean, at this point, it's almost I'd be shocked
Speaker 1: if the Warriors don't do something. Yeah, you know, draft
Speaker 1: night here because they have so much to play with.
Speaker 1: They have all these picks. You know, you got a
Speaker 1: big deal in Wiggins, you got the player exception still
Speaker 1: from Igadala seventeen point two, a huge one. Yeah, they've
Speaker 1: got smaller ones as well. I don't think you can
Speaker 1: package those together, by the way, in the same trade.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'll be shocked if they don't do something
Speaker 1: at this point. There's just so much smoke, and you know,
Speaker 1: he feels like they have gotta be a little bit
Speaker 1: of fire with that. But we will see. Maybe they
Speaker 1: just end up taking Wiseman number two. They're like, all right,
Speaker 1: it's our big. Let's go with a young big with
Speaker 1: these with all these shooters, we will see. All right, great, first,
Speaker 1: want to get a started. Next one here Ao no
Speaker 1: Dunk's Crew. On a recent pod, Skeets mentioned how he
Speaker 1: always forgets that the Nets made back to back finals
Speaker 1: appearances in two and three. Yes I did. I couldn't
Speaker 1: believe it. I had to catch myself. This got me
Speaker 1: thinking about other successful teams over the past ten to
Speaker 1: fifteen years that basketball fans or the NBA community has
Speaker 1: forgotten about. Once you got Turnip love you guys. No
Speaker 1: awesome from Tim here just stopped right after love you guys.
Speaker 1: It is from Tim again. So yeah, teams, successful teams
Speaker 1: at that past ten to fifteen years that we've just
Speaker 1: forgotten about for whatever reason. Tasks when you get started.
Speaker 2: Well, this one's definitely forgotten. It's not so much for
Speaker 2: what they accomplish that I want to talk about them,
Speaker 2: but who it was up against. The Washington Wizards were
Speaker 2: Lebron's first rival. It's forgotten the first three years when
Speaker 2: Bron went to the playoffs when he was a member
Speaker 2: of the Cavs. He went up against the Wizards and
Speaker 2: the infamous teams of Gilbert Arenas, Carom Butler, and Twine
Speaker 2: Jamison three straight years, and we were getting peak gil
Speaker 2: that first year. He averaged thirty four points per game
Speaker 2: in that playoff series against the Calves. It was only
Speaker 2: a six game series, but this was this was awesome Gil.
Speaker 2: He was forty three percent from three point land. It
Speaker 2: got injured for the second one and he kind of
Speaker 2: wasn't the same player after that. It was a real
Speaker 2: short peak for Gilbert Arenas. But those two teams did
Speaker 2: not like each other. And you know, this is two
Speaker 2: thousand and six, so This was kind of going back
Speaker 2: to an era where the big man was, you know,
Speaker 2: more traditional, was trying to put the best player on
Speaker 2: the other team on his ass. And the Wizards had
Speaker 2: Brendan Haywood the big, big center. And there was a
Speaker 2: time where Lebron said it was mid mid series where
Speaker 2: he said, you know, I'm getting hit and not getting
Speaker 2: the call, and Brendan Haywood was asked about that. We've
Speaker 2: got the clip here.
Speaker 4: Oh he's trying to hit me. I mean, come on, man,
Speaker 4: this is the playoffs, man eight whears twenty three. He
Speaker 4: wants me. Michael George, I can respect that. He's a
Speaker 4: great player. He saw Mike went through. Mike got found
Speaker 4: way worse than this. You know what I'm saying is
Speaker 4: no one's trying to hurt him. Everybody's trying to play basketball,
Speaker 4: trying to play tough, play basketball, leave alone trying to
Speaker 4: hurt me.
Speaker 2: Can you forget that? That's great stuff? I mean if
Speaker 2: that was today, I was just all pre twitter. If
Speaker 2: that was today, that would be circulating for a good
Speaker 2: forty eight hours. People would love it, people would keep
Speaker 2: going back to it. But yeah, he was trying to
Speaker 2: rock Lebron's world. And it didn't really work out for
Speaker 2: the Wizards three straight years. They It was six games
Speaker 2: the first time, then it was a sweep for the
Speaker 2: Cavs the second time with no Gilbert Arenas, no Crun
Speaker 2: Butler even and then the third time was another six gamer,
Speaker 2: but it was It was a decent battle. Its decent.
Speaker 1: We had the Deshaun Stevenson right versus Lebron, one of
Speaker 1: those serious that was exciting. That's a good pick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Wizards was a good team. I mean, you're obviously running
Speaker 1: into a young Lebron. They were going to be easy
Speaker 1: to get by him. That's a good one. You got
Speaker 1: a team there at Adlie Well.
Speaker 3: I mean, how well known are the grit and grind
Speaker 3: Grizzlies in that era that they went through between casuals
Speaker 3: casual basketball fans, So I think we obviously remember it there.
Speaker 3: But for what seven seven straight seasons, Yeah, seven straight
Speaker 3: seasons they made the playoffs and made the conference finals,
Speaker 3: got swept by the Spurs, but they had that incredible
Speaker 3: upset of the Spurs as well, where they tanked to
Speaker 3: get the eighth spot to draw the Spurs and then
Speaker 3: knocked them out in six games, which was really an
Speaker 3: incredible effort by a Memphis team, but you just kind
Speaker 3: of knew what you were getting with the Grizzlies every
Speaker 3: single season. A tough team at the Grindhouse, there was
Speaker 3: a real, real tough place to win, and it's just
Speaker 3: a pity they never made it through to the NBA Finals.
Speaker 3: I would like to have seen that team, you know,
Speaker 3: because they were very well liked as well, Marcusol, Mike Conley,
Speaker 3: Tony Allen, then Vince when he came along as well.
Speaker 3: So they were one of those teams that I think
Speaker 3: everyone kind of had as a second team, you know,
Speaker 3: people sort of like to see them perform, but they
Speaker 3: just never quite got over the line there. But they
Speaker 3: were fun, they were fun to watch it, and they
Speaker 3: were always always tough in those playoff games. That had
Speaker 3: a couple of good series against a Thunder as well,
Speaker 3: which are pretty good. So you know, I think it's
Speaker 3: an era that again, casual basketball fans, I don't think
Speaker 3: we'll remember, but us hardcores who covered it, we'll say
Speaker 3: they were fun team. They were fun teams to g four. Anyway,
Speaker 3: I'm going.
Speaker 1: To add a team to the list for the future,
Speaker 1: the current Bucks team. The current Bucks team when we
Speaker 1: do this question ten years from now, they'll be on
Speaker 1: my list. Like we're talking, you know, the last couple
Speaker 1: of Bucks teams here, I forgot, like the nineteen twenty Bucks,
Speaker 1: you know, pre pandemic. They were the earliest team to
Speaker 1: clinch a playoff berth since nineteen eighty four. They had
Speaker 1: that wrapped up quickly. They were in finish fifty six
Speaker 1: and seventeen again in a very weird year. They had
Speaker 1: that eighteen game winning streak. Of course, just flamed out
Speaker 1: in the playoffs. But this has been the very successful
Speaker 1: I mean, this is like Budenholzer's Hawks teams. Of course,
Speaker 1: very successful regular season team and came up short in
Speaker 1: the playoffs. Now, will they make a huge move this offseason,
Speaker 1: try and get a Chris Paul somebody else to go
Speaker 1: even further, try and make a finals, maybe even win
Speaker 1: a title. Then that changes this, But I guess I'm
Speaker 1: banking on that not being the case. And then unfortunately,
Speaker 1: like you know, going out in the second round again,
Speaker 1: and then it's like, wow, this team won like basically
Speaker 1: sixty games three years in a row. They had MVP
Speaker 1: back to back three times, for all we know, had
Speaker 1: all these great players and they just couldn't get even
Speaker 1: to the conference finals. That's rough. So we'll go box
Speaker 1: looking in the future, looking at them a crystal ball.
Speaker 1: But I liked your answers. Those are great. I love
Speaker 1: the Wizards one and the Great and Grind Grizzlies for
Speaker 1: the casual fan, no doubt. I'm sure the people in
Speaker 1: the stream teamers are maybe throwing out some other ones too.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't have my eye on it.
Speaker 2: But yeah, sort of in your wheelhouse of the Milwaukee Bucks,
Speaker 2: the twenty fifteen Hawks, the sixty games.
Speaker 3: Oh, what's the common denomen today?
Speaker 1: Yeah, here, make your best Budenholzer face. Lee. That's great audio.
Speaker 2: Yeah, early two thousand Celtics made a conference final. According
Speaker 2: to Adjacent Fire thirty four the old Pierce and Antoine Walker.
Speaker 2: That was somewhat random. Yeah, the random conference finalists here there.
Speaker 2: I was thinking about the Mellow Nuggets in that light.
Speaker 2: They know snuck one in there. But yeah, it's hard
Speaker 2: to repeat those. As far as just success getting to
Speaker 2: finals that are forgotten, it's hard to repeat what the
Speaker 2: nets did. And you know three when you're looking for
Speaker 2: somebody that's forgotten.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's just that I'm still like, I'm still
Speaker 1: not Yeah, like I keep going what they made it
Speaker 1: to back to back finals of two oh three. I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess it is weird too. They played two different teams. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just and just and didn't really have much of it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know they I guess it. Well, the
Speaker 1: one did go along right, the one series it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's so so strange. Yeah too, that serious, that's so weird.
Speaker 2: I always remember because to Kembi Mtamba was the center
Speaker 2: for the Sixers that went to the finals in one,
Speaker 2: and then he got traded to the Nets and was
Speaker 2: the center for the Nets two thousand and two, and
Speaker 2: then you get a Todd McCullough center for two thousand
Speaker 2: and three Pinball Wizard.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And maybe a part of this too is
Speaker 1: like they're they're not even the New Jersey Nets anymore,
Speaker 1: Like they're not Like it's just like it feels like
Speaker 1: a completely different team, even though it's of course the
Speaker 1: same franchise in Brooklyn. Yeah, it's still weird to me
Speaker 1: that they went back to back, But that's it. If
Speaker 1: you can beat that one, let us know in the
Speaker 1: stream team or tweet at us at no Dunks.
Speaker 2: Inc Hello shop blockers. Reading about recent Rockets history, when
Speaker 2: Darryl Morey stepped down, I was reminded multiple times of
Speaker 2: Houston missing twenty seven straight threes in Game seven against
Speaker 2: the Warriors back in twenty eighteen. It struck me that
Speaker 2: those few words twenty seven straight threes would be enough
Speaker 2: to ruin any Rockets fans day. It's got me thinking
Speaker 2: of other short phrases that haunt certain NBA fan bases.
Speaker 2: Three one lead for Warriors fans, four bounces for Sixers, faithful,
Speaker 2: and lebronto for Raptors fans are just a few recent examples.
Speaker 2: Can you guys think of any other NBA moments that
Speaker 2: torment a specific teams fan base in just a few words?
Speaker 2: This question ended up being a lot more evil than
Speaker 2: I intended. Turnips animal crossing. That's from Mitch in Coburg Lee,
Speaker 2: what do you think?
Speaker 3: Well, I've got one for both you guys, and I'm
Speaker 3: pretty sure it's gonna work. I'm going to test out
Speaker 3: my theory here. What's the score? Chris Child? Oh?
Speaker 1: How dare you? I can picture that play so vividly?
Speaker 1: What was he?
Speaker 3: What was he doing?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 3: What was he doing?
Speaker 1: I don't know?
Speaker 3: Because it was off a free throw too. The Stackhouse
Speaker 3: hit a free throw, so you know it wasn't like
Speaker 3: it wasn't in open play per.
Speaker 1: Se, crazy turnover exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, so they had time.
Speaker 1: He's a point guard too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he was good when he Yeah, I think
Speaker 3: he only played like a year and a half in trot.
Speaker 3: I thought he was very good when in Toronto. But
Speaker 3: he just yeah, he just blew it. And uh man,
Speaker 3: that was a tough way to lose that series.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what year is that again?
Speaker 3: It's a two thousand and two two?
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, I couldn't remember.
Speaker 4: So three.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got one. I've got one more. This one's
Speaker 3: a more generic, it's more for the entire league rather
Speaker 3: than just the team. But with the second pick in
Speaker 3: the nine point ninety four NBA draft, that's good, Triblazers,
Speaker 3: that's good.
Speaker 1: That's good. I got a couple here. I think you
Speaker 1: would anger a lot of sun Sands if you brought
Speaker 1: up I don't even know if you need to throw
Speaker 1: the player's name. You just say hipcheck, the Robert Horriy hipcheck,
Speaker 1: which obviously got some key players suspended in that series.
Speaker 1: Maybe that was going to be the one where Phoenix
Speaker 1: went to the finals. Maybe one MAVs fans, I mean,
Speaker 1: things turned out well for them down the line, But
Speaker 1: if you just said the we believe Warriors to MAVs fans,
Speaker 1: that's going to be a rough one to try and swallow.
Speaker 1: And then for Kings fans, I mean, you either just
Speaker 1: say two thousand and two Western Conference Finals, you say
Speaker 1: forty free throw attempts. Maybe you just say twenty seven
Speaker 1: fourth quarter free throw attempts. Maybe just say Dick Movetta.
Speaker 1: You know a lot of things that are going to
Speaker 1: trigger that Game six of that game where they got
Speaker 1: the Lakers got a very kind whistle. Though if you remember,
Speaker 1: and I've heard other Kings players, even I think Doug
Speaker 1: Christie has said this, like they had a Game seven
Speaker 1: at home and they missed fourteen free throws in that one.
Speaker 1: They missed them, so it was not a referee anyone
Speaker 1: doing that to them, and that ultimately helped them blow
Speaker 1: that game and blow their chances of maybe winning a title.
Speaker 1: So those are the three that came to mind for
Speaker 1: poor Sons, MAVs and Kings fans. You got anything else to.
Speaker 3: Add to just just quickly imagine we had a King's Nets.
Speaker 3: Finally in two thousand and two, you might not have
Speaker 3: even remembered that one at all.
Speaker 1: I'd be super upset. Mike Bibby would have a ring
Speaker 1: with the Kings, right, you got anything to us?
Speaker 2: That's a little like Detroit San Antonio in two thousand
Speaker 2: and five. It's a bit of the forgotten series. Well,
Speaker 2: the Mailman doesn't deliver on Sundays, kills Jazz fans. I
Speaker 2: mean two free throws, just needed one. Now, they probably
Speaker 2: would have lost if they hit one, if Carl didn't
Speaker 2: hit both, because samj went down the other end banged
Speaker 2: that home and that was the end of that series. Well,
Speaker 2: I mean the malice at the Palace for Pacers fans specifically,
Speaker 2: because the Pistons had just come off winning the title
Speaker 2: and then this, So I don't think it hurts them
Speaker 2: as much. It hurts that ron Our Test was gone
Speaker 2: for the rest of that season. That team was good.
Speaker 2: You know, you talk about the Suns potentially making the
Speaker 2: finals if there wasn't the suspensions and the hipchack there.
Speaker 2: You know, the Pacers were awesome with ron Our Test
Speaker 2: and Jermaine O'Neil, and things just fell apart from there.
Speaker 2: I think for Hornets fans, just Kobe one word. They
Speaker 2: drafted Kobe and traded them for bloody Devots. It could
Speaker 2: have been a lot different if they had Kobe Bryant
Speaker 2: on their team. And a weird one but sort of
Speaker 2: like the We Believe Warriors for cast fans, Lebron in
Speaker 2: twenty ten, but also Lebron coming back and helping them win.
Speaker 2: But that was, you know, it was a storybook in
Speaker 2: a weird way. But we all remember the Jerseys burning
Speaker 2: in twenty ten.
Speaker 1: I think you was in that one. You would say
Speaker 1: the decision for sure that that would trigger some maybe
Speaker 1: Cat's hands, but you're right, ended up working out for everybody.
Speaker 1: So that's great. That's a fun question. That's a great question, Mitch.
Speaker 1: And again, if you got answers, let us know on
Speaker 1: the stream team or tweet them in at No Dunk.
Speaker 1: Think we got lots of questions still to get to here,
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Speaker 1: watch a ton of basketball remarked during the finals that
Speaker 1: the Miami Heat logo looks like garlic. I looked at
Speaker 1: it closely and lo and behold, it does look like
Speaker 1: a well defined hunk of garlic with a wispy little haircut.
Speaker 1: All right, Which other NBA logos could moonlight as foods? Ps?
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Speaker 1: Turnips love the trade stock them from Angelo in Brooklyn. Yes, okay,
Speaker 1: so yeah, I mean I can see the garlic there
Speaker 1: and in the Heat logo, but any other MBIA logos
Speaker 1: that can moonlightest foods?
Speaker 2: Task? Well, it's really good. The Heat one is really good.
Speaker 2: Let's take a quick look at that garlic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I see it.
Speaker 2: Totally totally true. I found this a little difficult. But
Speaker 2: when I looked at the Blazer's logo, okay, kind of
Speaker 2: looks like a bowl of spaghetti. Okay, at all those noodles,
Speaker 2: or specifically, if if you put that fork in there
Speaker 2: and you give it a twirl, there, it is right right,
Speaker 2: right right, you got a fork full of spaghetti right there.
Speaker 2: So Blazer's logo, classic logo right there.
Speaker 1: I looked at all these logos, I was struggling to
Speaker 1: come up an answer. I did. I did stop on
Speaker 1: the Blazers one, and I was like, this looks like
Speaker 1: something but I couldn't get to swatty task way to
Speaker 1: do it, h Lee, any luck with any of the
Speaker 1: other ones, same as you.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god, what am I saying it?
Speaker 3: The only thing I can sort of see is the
Speaker 3: Indiana pieces Like I was kind of someone holding like
Speaker 3: chicken drumstick or a ticky tru.
Speaker 1: Okay, not bad like the fair right example, times I
Speaker 1: got the turkey leg exactly that that's the best one
Speaker 1: I could come up with some Yeah, but they've changed
Speaker 1: so much over the eas as well.
Speaker 3: You know, it's like everybody, I mean, they should have been.
Speaker 1: You think you've seen NBA logo, you figured out the food,
Speaker 1: it looks like they go and change the logo.
Speaker 2: Crazy crazy, Yes, there's an old there's old rockets are
Speaker 2: that it's kind of looks like it's dripping at the bottom,
Speaker 2: like it's kind of like barbecue sauce, and like it
Speaker 2: looks like it's definitely dipped into something. But the R
Speaker 2: doesn't look like food, right right.
Speaker 1: And and I'll just say this now, okay, just save yourself,
Speaker 1: save the email of sending us in pointing out if
Speaker 1: you turn the bulls logo upside down, it's like a
Speaker 1: robot reading a Bible. Okay, that's been around since the
Speaker 1: Wizards were battling Lebron James in the playoffs. So just
Speaker 1: you don't need to let us know. We're well aware
Speaker 1: it's crazy. You're right, it looks like a robot and
Speaker 1: it's so funny that comes around. But once a year
Speaker 1: that just like gets like finds life again on Twitter
Speaker 1: or on the blogs or look at this. Yep, we've
Speaker 1: been looking at that for fifteen plus years. I'm sure
Speaker 1: I blogged about that in one of my first years,
Speaker 1: and it will be around. It's amazing though, all.
Speaker 5: Right, what about the uh, I don't know if you
Speaker 5: remember back in twenty sixteen when Jaegermeister went after the
Speaker 5: Bucks for their Yogo like that.
Speaker 1: It's paid gretty close. It's pretty Yeah, it is. It is. Indeed,
Speaker 1: are you a Yagermester family.
Speaker 3: I've had it, but uh not for I don't know.
Speaker 3: I couldn't tell you the last time I've had it,
Speaker 3: but you know I've tried it. Yeah, very fine.
Speaker 1: Have you ever done what's it called a doctor pepper?
Speaker 1: I don't think call it a doctor pepper where you
Speaker 1: drop a shot at Yager yagermester in a in a
Speaker 1: pint of beer and you taste like doctor Pepper.
Speaker 3: No, I don't think I've ever done that. No, I
Speaker 3: think I've just had shots of it, and it's like
Speaker 3: I didn'd see what the big deal is? That's special?
Speaker 1: Great that week? Clear it up?
Speaker 3: All that a big shot. I'm just not a big
Speaker 3: shots guy, to be honest with, I'm not a big
Speaker 3: shots guy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, trying to think because you're not twenty.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I know. One night, I remember having a
Speaker 3: few too many tequila slammers and oh that made a
Speaker 3: bit of a mess of me that day. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: remember I came home because I'd been out and I
Speaker 3: and I slept all day and Mum was just like,
Speaker 3: what did you drink last night? Because you're usually not
Speaker 3: that bad like you're usually if you hung over, usually
Speaker 3: up at about But I was just did bed all day.
Speaker 3: A cool story, bro. Think I was drinking tequila a
Speaker 3: little bit too much tequila?
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, Lee, we've never done a shot while we
Speaker 1: watched the EFL Grand Finals.
Speaker 3: Ah, Hey, it's on tomorrow morning, four thirty in the morning.
Speaker 1: You're going to do it tequila shot at in the morning.
Speaker 3: Let's do Sambuka instead. I think that's uh, that's ok.
Speaker 5: You gotta do Bundy. You're of Bunder, Yeah, that's yeah.
Speaker 5: The Australian basically is the Australian screech for the Canadians
Speaker 5: out there.
Speaker 1: There you go. So, yeah, this is going to be
Speaker 1: the first time in a long time. We're not getting
Speaker 1: together to watch it obviously, unfortunately.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, but like I think I got it wrong.
Speaker 3: It's actually four thirty our time as first bounce they started,
Speaker 3: they started daylight saving out on the East Coast before
Speaker 3: we've ended it here.
Speaker 1: So and that's weird because we usually watch it at
Speaker 1: night here in America because they play the game during
Speaker 1: the day. But yes, you're saying, for the first time whatever,
Speaker 1: they're playing this at night over.
Speaker 3: There, first time ever, First time ever a night ground final.
Speaker 1: First time does the ball bounce differently under the moon lane?
Speaker 3: I mean most of the big games are played at
Speaker 3: night anyway now because of the TV audience, But first
Speaker 3: time ever, it's not been in the MCG part from
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety one they had it at a different ground
Speaker 3: because they were renovating the MCG. So a lot of
Speaker 3: traditionalists like it's not the same. It's not in Melbourne.
Speaker 3: But it's a game.
Speaker 1: Who's in the who's in the final.
Speaker 3: Two Victorian teams Ironic Richmond again, Richmond going for their
Speaker 3: thirty four years against Geelong. So go Kats, I'm going
Speaker 3: with the Tigers. I'm going for the Tigers.
Speaker 1: Go on Cats.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I think I would say Richmond are probably
Speaker 3: about a ten to fifteen point favorite. I would say
Speaker 3: I would say, okay, see, yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay, good luck to both teams. I hope it's a
Speaker 1: high scoring affair. Yeah, is that what you say?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you cleaned up last year. Remember you
Speaker 3: won the you want the money line?
Speaker 1: Yeah I did. I'm really good at picking up.
Speaker 3: I want a footy in the raffle. You've got a
Speaker 3: six pack. It was a great It was our best
Speaker 3: night last year for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah it was.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm going to miss this. I can't believe our tradition
Speaker 1: is coming to and end. I'm coming over in your
Speaker 1: house forour thirty in the morning. All right, bring it
Speaker 1: to killer. We got along long one here. Let's get
Speaker 1: to it.
Speaker 2: Does a Geelong play before their games that they played
Speaker 2: Jelong Jeong Jelung Gelong Jeeng Jelong lung Lee, long, long, long,
Speaker 2: Sorry about that. Listen JD. Get the cool story bro
Speaker 2: audio drop here. I can't talk the cool story drop
Speaker 2: for this guy here Hey absence of jams. On the
Speaker 2: latest Beach episode, Lee sounded truly terrifying when talking about
Speaker 2: the delivery room slash stinky beef situation. I don't think
Speaker 2: he would ever actually kill a man, but I probably
Speaker 2: shouldn't make any assumptions about a man who sits backwards
Speaker 2: on a toilet to bee. I had my own smelly
Speaker 2: delivery room situation when my son was born in April,
Speaker 2: but I was the villain. My wife was going on
Speaker 2: hour eighteen in the hospital and I was getting hungry,
Speaker 2: so I ordered some Chipotle delivery for dinner. Unfortunately, immediately
Speaker 2: after I ordered, the doctor came in and decided it
Speaker 2: was time for the epidural. As the nurses prepared to
Speaker 2: inject a giant needle into my wife's spine, I got
Speaker 2: an alert that my delivery driver had arrived, so I
Speaker 2: slowly slunk out of my room to grab my food.
Speaker 2: Since this was peak quarantine, no eating was allowed in
Speaker 2: any public areas, so I returned to the delivery room
Speaker 2: and ate my delicious burrito bowl in the corner, all
Speaker 2: while my wife glared at me. She hadn't been allowed
Speaker 2: to eat a proper meal since over eighteen hours ago,
Speaker 2: and here I was crushing a massive Chipotle bowl. I
Speaker 2: had to order double meat to hit a delivery minimum,
Speaker 2: which only made things worse. Yeah, I'm sure your wife
Speaker 2: was looking over evening this guy order double meat. Needless
Speaker 2: to say, what I thought would be a nice, hearty
Speaker 2: dinner instead turned into an absolute disaster. Bringing it back
Speaker 2: to basketball, hopefully the baby went. Okay. What are your
Speaker 2: favorite examples of NBA teams thinking they're set up for
Speaker 2: success only to totally implode in hilarious fashion. Turn up,
Speaker 2: love you guys. Awesome. That's from Steve Ward in Chicago
Speaker 2: eating at Chipotle bowl horror. Thanks Steve for sending that in.
Speaker 1: Do you think they named their baby Chipotle? Chipotle Ward?
Speaker 2: Wack?
Speaker 1: What's your baby's name? Extraquak?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Okay, so back to basketball. That was a very cool story, bro,
Speaker 1: no doubt. I did like it. I enjoyed it. I
Speaker 1: glove I included it, And you're right, Leewood, I think
Speaker 1: Lee would kill a man. I think, yes, yes, that
Speaker 1: was You're saying like that, you have I haven't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, in that hospital room, that was his clasest of
Speaker 3: common and I would have leaded guilty, but of also
Speaker 3: said I'm not going to jil for that because he
Speaker 3: deserved it, so right right, changing the rules.
Speaker 1: Okay, So yeah, favorite examples of NBA teams that were
Speaker 1: sort of set up and they imploded. I got a couple.
Speaker 1: One of them I already mentioned in this podcast, The Mavericks.
Speaker 1: That's a rough one. I mean they were the Mavericks
Speaker 1: were sixty seven and fifteen and O six oh seven.
Speaker 1: That's a hell of a record, you know, after having
Speaker 1: just made the finals year before, Dirk won MVP and
Speaker 1: they got sort of embarrassed by the We Believe Warriors.
Speaker 1: I mean, you had Steven Jackson shutting down the MVP
Speaker 1: in Dirk and Matt Barnes all up in his shorts
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. So hey, I don't know if
Speaker 1: it's hilarious, but that was, like, damn, that's a real
Speaker 1: good team. Losing to an eight seed there twenty ten
Speaker 1: to eleven heat is an obvious one, just because they
Speaker 1: are the not one, not two, not three, blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: The decision of the super team the Villains, and they
Speaker 1: lose the first year. Of course they had some success
Speaker 1: after that, but to see them lose, I think people
Speaker 1: were loving that. They were relishing the fact that especially
Speaker 1: Lebron came up short after going down to South Beach
Speaker 1: taking his talents. And then I'll add one more. I'll
Speaker 1: say recent one. I think a lot of people enjoyed
Speaker 1: the twenty nineteen twenty Clippers imploding and blowing a three
Speaker 1: to one lead themselves to the Denver Nuggets. A lot
Speaker 1: of people dislike Paul George, A lot of people dislike
Speaker 1: Patrick Beverley in Kawhi even polarizing, I think to some
Speaker 1: people with the load management, and then of course Toronto
Speaker 1: and Canada and him leaving. You know, some people upset,
Speaker 1: some people, not like myself. But I think people took
Speaker 1: some little joy in them falling to the Nuggets after
Speaker 1: being up three one. So those are three that come
Speaker 1: to mind. You got anything to add there, Ley.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just on the Kawhi stuff. I think it
Speaker 3: is very interesting because the rept has won the championship,
Speaker 3: and when Kawhi took off twenty two games, but the
Speaker 3: championship sort of pipe it over any cracks because if
Speaker 3: he left off for a year, let's say that four bounds,
Speaker 3: it didn't go in filling, they lose. I think there
Speaker 3: would have been like, man, the Raptors players didn't like
Speaker 3: the fact that Kawhi took off games whenever he felt
Speaker 3: like it, but they won and won the championship, whereas
Speaker 3: the Clippers now it's like, see, you didn't you did
Speaker 3: all that load management and we came up short. So
Speaker 3: then they start turning on each other a bit, they
Speaker 3: start pointing the fingers a.
Speaker 4: Bit, you know.
Speaker 3: So that's an interesting scenario that's playing out there. So
Speaker 3: for me, I've got a couple two. The twenty twelve
Speaker 3: twenty thirteen LA Lakers were second favorite heading into that season,
Speaker 3: second championship favorite behind the Miami Heat. That's, of course,
Speaker 3: with Dwight and Steve Nash, and they got swept by
Speaker 3: the Spurs in the first round. They had a few injuries.
Speaker 3: But there's a fantastic if out there of Dwight Howard
Speaker 3: sort of slunking to the bench and Tim Duncan just
Speaker 3: smiling the whole way, just like in a classic Tim
Speaker 3: Duncan fashion, like just laughing at Dwight because they went in.
Speaker 3: They had that Sports Illustrated cover with they had the
Speaker 3: Union shorts and singlets they were wearing, and it just
Speaker 3: fell as it's gonna be fun exactly. It fell apart
Speaker 3: very very quickly. And then the other one is the
Speaker 3: twenty twelve thirteen Brooklyn Nets roster. Of course they made
Speaker 3: the huge trade there in the office. It was at
Speaker 3: thirteen fourteen. Actually maybe it might be off the season there,
Speaker 3: but it was when the Nets gave up three unprotected
Speaker 3: first round picks for Pearson Garnette and I think Jason
Speaker 3: Terry as well, And we knew that was short sighted
Speaker 3: at the time. And if you look at some of
Speaker 3: the players the Celtics have got out of that draft now,
Speaker 3: like Brown and Tatum done just keeps on coming back
Speaker 3: to haunt the Brooklyn Nets. So that was pretty fun.
Speaker 3: I mean, of course, they did upset the Raptors in
Speaker 3: the first round, which is not fun. Another sort of
Speaker 3: bad day for the Raptors here, but then they got
Speaker 3: killed by the heat again. Lebron and Dwayne Wade killed
Speaker 3: them in the second round. So I think people enjoyed
Speaker 3: seeing just how desperate the Nets were to win and
Speaker 3: the expectations at the owner Prokerov gave them and they
Speaker 3: gave up their Miliga to the future, and they didn't
Speaker 3: even get close to a championship. So a couple of
Speaker 3: fun ones.
Speaker 2: There barely is not my GM just feeling this thing
Speaker 2: and yeah, Billy making a bad move there. To me,
Speaker 2: I go back for a team that really disappointed after
Speaker 2: the expectations were really high. I go back to two thousand,
Speaker 2: Tracy McGrady and grand Hill teaming up with the Orlando Magic.
Speaker 2: I just thought, two Hall of famers in their prime,
Speaker 2: they're gonna win a playoff series. One they didn't win
Speaker 2: a playoff series. Now, a lot of that has to
Speaker 2: do with grand Hill, no doubt, because he was injured.
Speaker 2: You know, he had some serious injuries where he had
Speaker 2: a staff infection and he had rushed him back to
Speaker 2: the hospital and that was really worrisome. I think he
Speaker 2: had one hundred and four fever. So amazing that he
Speaker 2: came back to play the way he did for such
Speaker 2: a long career. But I just thought Tracy McGrady, he
Speaker 2: left the Raptors for a reason to be the number
Speaker 2: one guy, and it's crazy when you look back. He
Speaker 2: led the league in scoring twice as a member of
Speaker 2: the Magic. He was a baller. He was an All
Speaker 2: NBA player all four seasons that he was there, which
Speaker 2: I totally forgot. Twice on first team, twice on the
Speaker 2: second team. But the embarrassing part enters in in two
Speaker 2: thousand and three. If you guys remember, they were playing
Speaker 2: the Pistons and they're up three to one, and Tracy
Speaker 2: McGrady was at the podium and he said, it feels
Speaker 2: good to get into the second round. Now. Maybe he
Speaker 2: forgot that the five game series had been gone that season.
Speaker 2: Maybe thought it was a five game series and they won,
Speaker 2: but the Orlando Magic blew that three to one lead
Speaker 2: and the Pistons came back because they used that as
Speaker 2: bolton board material, I'm pretty sure. And Tracey McGrady didn't
Speaker 2: get out of the first round there, so that was
Speaker 2: that was ugly stuff. Grant Hill and Tracy McGrady. You
Speaker 2: just thought those two amazing players, but didn't come together whatsoever.
Speaker 2: And then McGrady left and went to Houston and balled
Speaker 2: out there. He was amazing there, but the playoffs sort
Speaker 2: of haunted him as well.
Speaker 1: For sure. All right, our next one here, Hi, guys,
Speaker 1: I discovered you on my road trip across the country
Speaker 1: while I was moving from State College Pennsylvania back to
Speaker 1: Los Angeles this past summer. It was right before the
Speaker 1: Bubble relaunched, and you guys had been doing a bunch
Speaker 1: of stories on what was happening leading up to it.
Speaker 1: It was on my stretch of drive driving from Dallas
Speaker 1: to New Mexico on I ten that I decided to
Speaker 1: really get back in the know of what was going
Speaker 1: on in the bubble. And a few podcasts later, I
Speaker 1: was hooked on No Dunks. I got a dog back
Speaker 1: in August, and No Dunks has been my official dog
Speaker 1: walking podcast. Oh thank you. Has there ever been a
Speaker 1: time you were on a long drive or doing something
Speaker 1: so boring you decided to listen to something new and
Speaker 1: then you got hooked. Keep up the good work. That's
Speaker 1: from Virginia. Now back in Los Angeles, task what you got?
Speaker 2: I got a weird one. For some reason, I can't
Speaker 2: remember why. I was looking at the top charts of
Speaker 2: Apple podcasts because I needed just something to listen to.
Speaker 2: So I had listened to Joe Rogan a little bit
Speaker 2: a long time. This was I don't know seven, eight,
Speaker 2: nine years ago. I don't know how long it was,
Speaker 2: but Joe Rogan's been around for a long time, so
Speaker 2: I thought, oh, I'll just click on to Joe Rogan here.
Speaker 2: But I wasn't clicking on a Joe Rogan. I clicked
Speaker 2: on the Joe Rogan Experience. Experience, a show that recapped
Speaker 2: the Joe Rogan Show.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I started listening to these three guys are
Speaker 2: just talking about Joe Rogan and the stories he was
Speaker 2: telling on the latest episode, and they were saying, you know,
Speaker 2: it wasn't a great episode. I've heard those Joe Rogan
Speaker 2: stories before. I'm like, this was on the top charts.
Speaker 2: It was I don't know, ten, eleven, twelve. It was
Speaker 2: way up there, while Joe Rogan was, you know, obviously
Speaker 2: hovering at the top. But because of Joe Rogan's name,
Speaker 2: this got up there. And it wasn't a very good
Speaker 2: experience listening to this experience. So I gotta be honest,
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if they're still on top of the charts,
Speaker 2: but I don't think they are, so that experience not
Speaker 2: so good.
Speaker 1: We should start a podcast commenting on them. On Joe
Speaker 1: Road Layers We together. Wow, that's crazy.
Speaker 2: What happened to the two of the Week Army podcast, which.
Speaker 3: Is I was going there for a while.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'll go next year because I've done a
Speaker 1: long road trip. I've driven back to Canada once or
Speaker 1: twice here a couple of years ago. Now of course,
Speaker 1: from Atlanta. It's a long drive fourteen fifteen, sixteen hours
Speaker 1: and one of those trips we this was all Nora's doing.
Speaker 1: You know, she's plugged into the the crime podcasts. She
Speaker 1: found one called crime Town, that's what it's called. And man,
Speaker 1: I was hooked. We were both hooked. It made the
Speaker 1: drive go so quick because it's like a serial documentary
Speaker 1: podcast produced by Gimblet Media. This is years ago now,
Speaker 1: I think twenty sixteen is when it started. It's about
Speaker 1: how organized crime has shaped like particular American cities. And
Speaker 1: the first whole season was about Providence, Rhode Island. You know,
Speaker 1: so a city I know nothing about, had no idea.
Speaker 1: There's all these mob ties and all these weird characters
Speaker 1: in this organized crime so well done. The characters in
Speaker 1: this are amazing. It's real. And I think it was
Speaker 1: like eighteen official episodes and then there was a bunch
Speaker 1: of bonus episodes and I just remember that drive like
Speaker 1: it was like we're not stopping, Like I mean, like
Speaker 1: I'm so into this, I'm so in the zone drive
Speaker 1: and we're making great time here and like this is
Speaker 1: just the hours are flying by because we're just enthralled
Speaker 1: with this podcast. So Crime Town shout out to Crimetown
Speaker 1: again twenty sixteen. I think they maybe started to do
Speaker 1: a second season about Detroit. I think I didn't. I
Speaker 1: didn't have a trip to go on, so I wasn't
Speaker 1: listening to it, So you can correct me if I'm
Speaker 1: wrong some some of the listeners out there. I don't
Speaker 1: even know if they continued with it, but look it
Speaker 1: up if you ever got a long drive Crime Town
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen about Providence, Rhode Island. It's fascinating stuff just
Speaker 1: because the characters the guys are talking to are amazing.
Speaker 1: Su I don't care, we're going We're finishing this episode
Speaker 1: at least, even if it ends us on the side
Speaker 1: of the interesting. Yeah, it's so good. You got an answer.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I haven't been on a long road
Speaker 3: trip for a while, but we've been on a couple
Speaker 3: of two or three hour trips with the boys, and
Speaker 3: I just have to say the listening and driving experience
Speaker 3: is different when you've got kids because they don't care
Speaker 3: what you want to listen to. They want to listen
Speaker 3: to their own music over and over and over again,
Speaker 3: and if you want to stay sane, you just have
Speaker 3: to sort of bow and give in. And they like music.
Speaker 3: But sometimes I just like the Despicable Me soundtrack as well,
Speaker 3: Minions and stuff like that. And sometimes you're driving along
Speaker 3: and I'm a little bit different to you. I'm driving
Speaker 3: as fast as I can to get to the destination
Speaker 3: so I can turn it off because you're driving long here.
Speaker 3: I can't do it. But you hear the Despicable Meets
Speaker 3: voices and it's just like over and over one more time, dad,
Speaker 3: Especially the eight year old is not too bad, but
Speaker 3: the four year olds at that stage like again again again,
Speaker 3: and you're just like, oh my god, no more, please please.
Speaker 5: This is why you're a great I'm a good dad.
Speaker 5: You're a great dad, because I would never do that
Speaker 5: ever in a million years. You're listening to what I
Speaker 5: want to listen to. There's no way that I'm listening
Speaker 5: to the to whatever they want to listen to.
Speaker 1: Not a chance.
Speaker 3: Well, look, I guess I start the trip by not
Speaker 3: saying anything about the music. I just sort of hope
Speaker 3: that no one's listening. But you know, after half an hour,
Speaker 3: they're like, can we listen to this? Can we listen
Speaker 3: to that? And I'm just like, all right, I've tried.
Speaker 3: I've tried resisting in the past, but it just creates
Speaker 3: a worse environment, I guess, I have to say. I
Speaker 3: probably when it's just me and Rocksander in the car,
Speaker 3: I'm probably like, driver decides no, there's no negotiation there.
Speaker 3: But the kids will wear you down. Man, They're wear.
Speaker 1: You I can't believe I've yelled to the backseat. We're
Speaker 1: listening to English Nick and the.
Speaker 3: River, Ah Man exactly ninety seven Won the River.
Speaker 1: That's great. I was just listening to it this morning.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I'll tell you what. The boys they love.
Speaker 3: I love a couple. I love Queen, I love Will Smith,
Speaker 3: and I love Britney Spears as well. So you know,
Speaker 3: we get a little bit of sort of nineties music
Speaker 3: and sort of seventies and nineties music in there as well.
Speaker 3: So I don't mind it.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: I like Big Will, I like Queen, Britney's kai JD.
Speaker 5: Do you have an answer for this, well, it's it's
Speaker 5: kind of almost. The birth of this podcast was I
Speaker 5: discovered podcasting, not while I was driving, but when I
Speaker 5: was doing a little show called Kaiu back in the day.
Speaker 5: It was two thousand and four, two thousand and five,
Speaker 5: and I was tasked with doing the feat only I
Speaker 5: only did the feat that first season of Cayu.
Speaker 1: So I would sit there.
Speaker 5: And I couldn't stand Kyu's voice, so I muted the
Speaker 5: dialogue track and all I would do is just add feet.
Speaker 5: Every time there was a footstep on the screen, I
Speaker 5: would have to add a sound effect. So uh, And
Speaker 5: it was right when Lost had just come out. The
Speaker 5: Lost came out in two thousand and four, so as
Speaker 5: I was listening to audiobooks, but it was starting to
Speaker 5: get a little expensive. So then I discovered iTunes podcasts
Speaker 5: and I listened to three different Lost podcasts. Those were
Speaker 5: my first, my first foray into podcasts, and they were terrible,
Speaker 5: but I listened to them and I was like, I
Speaker 5: could do this, we could do this. Let's let's do
Speaker 5: a podcast. And the basketball Jones was born.
Speaker 1: Wow, so we can actually thank Cayu, I guess, and
Speaker 1: Lost started starting the basket down the hatch we go.
Speaker 2: There was another podcast you were listening to at the time.
Speaker 2: It was a couple right out.
Speaker 5: Keith and the Girl. I think they might still be going.
Speaker 5: I think they're still going. So they're they're like O
Speaker 5: G S.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I even I remember that one, Keith and the Girl.
Speaker 1: Good call. Great questions, guys. Let's take one more quick
Speaker 1: break before we get to a few more all right,
Speaker 1: few more questions. We got wrapped over? Run long here today.
Speaker 2: What's up, yeah, floaters. When I had my birthday a
Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago, my brother showed me a video.
Speaker 2: It was the one and only Skeets wishing me a
Speaker 2: happy birthday. I was so surprised and so happy that
Speaker 2: I had to hold back a few tears of joy.
Speaker 2: Normally I kind of expect the gifts I get, but
Speaker 2: that video surprised me so much it kind of overshadowed
Speaker 2: all the other gifts of the day. So my question
Speaker 2: to you guys is when was the time you received
Speaker 2: a gift that you would have never expected? Greetings from Germany.
Speaker 2: That's from Paul Grimmig. Thank you for the email. Paul Skeats,
Speaker 2: This one's all you.
Speaker 1: Well, that's fantastic. I'm happy to hear someone in Paul's
Speaker 1: life came through with the cameo from old Skeatzy. Go
Speaker 1: to cameo dot com find Jay Skeets if you want
Speaker 1: a message from me. All that money goes to charity anyway,
Speaker 1: so might as well do it if you want a
Speaker 1: video from me, I enjoyed doing them. They are a
Speaker 1: lot of fun, so I'm glad you liked it, Paul.
Speaker 1: My answer for this, I already talked once about Nora
Speaker 1: surprising me with a trip to Dublin way back in
Speaker 1: the day. That was cool because that's when we didn't
Speaker 1: have any money either. We were basically poor, you know,
Speaker 1: trying to get by in Toronto, which is a expensive
Speaker 1: damn city. But then she somehow sprung this little trip
Speaker 1: to Dublin for like four days. That was awesome. But
Speaker 1: most recently, Nora made me a photo book of one
Speaker 1: of our favorite trips to Western Canada when I went
Speaker 1: to went to Vernon, British Columbia to see friends, and
Speaker 1: then we went Nora and I we went sort of
Speaker 1: a road trip to Bamfed National Park and Jasper National
Speaker 1: Park and it was such an awesome trip. We were
Speaker 1: gone for like three or four weeks. So she did
Speaker 1: the old classic, you know, sort of scrap book, I guess,
Speaker 1: but you know, you can like upload the photos to
Speaker 1: these services now and like make these really slick productions.
Speaker 1: So this was one of my birthday gifts. It was awesome,
Speaker 1: and we got a second one for free because they
Speaker 1: accidentally put a weird caption on one of the photos,
Speaker 1: like in BAMF National Park. It said like accidentally I
Speaker 1: don't know how it said, like Mongolia or something like that.
Speaker 1: It's like cam Body or something some weird country that
Speaker 1: they just for some reason slapped on there. So they
Speaker 1: sent us another one. But yeah, that was a nice gift.
Speaker 1: That's a thoughtful gift. Come man, there's like a legit book.
Speaker 1: We obviously had a ton of photos from seeing friends
Speaker 1: and doing a bunch of stuff and going to all
Speaker 1: these parks. I mean, it took her a lot of
Speaker 1: time and effort to put into this, so something like
Speaker 1: that it's always next level. So that was very very
Speaker 1: kind of her.
Speaker 2: That's my buddy Grish's move. That's Buddy Grish. Didn't make
Speaker 2: it the scrap the scrap book for everything. Took a
Speaker 2: trip down to the store and made a scrap book.
Speaker 1: But here's me buying some eggs at Public's. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: does like that. That's a that's a Gris move. But
Speaker 1: this Nora did it a lot better than any of
Speaker 1: one I've seen from Grish. I'll tell you that.
Speaker 2: It's easy to make a mistake on those captions. That
Speaker 2: wasn't very stake, but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just a yeah, it was just a
Speaker 1: random thing.
Speaker 4: I think.
Speaker 1: I don't know how the heck popped in there on
Speaker 1: one of the photos. But you're right, a ton of work.
Speaker 1: Because you're right, it's not just the photos. There are
Speaker 1: like this is when we were doing this, or this
Speaker 1: is where we were and stuff like that. So it's
Speaker 1: it's extremely well done.
Speaker 2: You've done that before, haven't you shut her fly before?
Speaker 3: I shot a fly tons of stuff basically every Mother's
Speaker 3: Day and anniversary, roxanner, I do something off. So we've
Speaker 3: got plates and bowls and mugs and drinking bottles and
Speaker 3: all sorts of stuff covered in photos. Yeah, we've got
Speaker 3: scrapbooks all over the place. But because it's it's it's
Speaker 3: good because otherwise your photos just stay on your phone. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so many times you get I've got all these great photo,
Speaker 3: especially from a trip. Then you get home and you
Speaker 3: just kind of forget about them. So you know, it's
Speaker 3: good thing. Roxana's birthday, our anniversary, and Mother's Day very
Speaker 3: very close by. So I just up like crazy on
Speaker 3: shutterfly for about six weeks and order all sorts of stuff,
Speaker 3: and you know, it's a bit repetitive, but it's fine.
Speaker 1: It's it's just you standing like this in every photo
Speaker 1: in a puffy jacket in front of the kids. It's great.
Speaker 2: My mother in law for our kids, does it monthly?
Speaker 2: We get a monthly Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think the Kirbies do that too, don't they. I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure they do.
Speaker 3: We get something on Instagram where it's not monthly. It's
Speaker 3: like when you hit a certain amount of photos, they
Speaker 3: just automatically triggers it.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, yeah, Now it's it's a little much.
Speaker 2: Monthly is a little Yeah, that's you said, repetitive. It
Speaker 2: gets it definitely gets a little repetitive. It's like when
Speaker 2: you were young and you had a girlfriend for a
Speaker 2: long period of time, did you celebrate monthly? Did you
Speaker 2: have a monthly anniversary? I did, mistake, just just do
Speaker 2: it every so often every few months. Now it is
Speaker 2: really nice to have and get him off the phone.
Speaker 2: Lead he got an answer for this baby.
Speaker 3: Well kind of a little bit like what Skeetz was
Speaker 3: saying there. A friend of mine once flew over from
Speaker 3: I was in London. He flew from Australia on Emirates
Speaker 3: to England and something happened on his flight and they
Speaker 3: gave him a free return flight to Dubai from London,
Speaker 3: but he didn't really need it because he had his
Speaker 3: return ticket and they weren't going to give him anything else.
Speaker 3: They said, this is what we give you, you can transfer
Speaker 3: it to somebody else. And he gave me a ticket
Speaker 3: to Dubai, one ticket, and I was like, oh, perfect,
Speaker 3: I can't wait. I'm going to use it for sure.
Speaker 3: And I never used it because I was like, I
Speaker 3: kept trying to organize someone to go with because I
Speaker 3: didn't want to go by myself, like all the way
Speaker 3: out there, and it was one of those things I
Speaker 3: sort of got pushed back a few people like yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm in, and I'm out. I mean I'm out, and
Speaker 3: then I ended up just not using it. It expired after
Speaker 3: like eighteen months or something, I can't remember what it was,
Speaker 3: and I was like, I can't believe I just had
Speaker 3: a free ticket to Dubai and I never used it,
Speaker 3: never been there, never been there. Wow, And I missed out.
Speaker 1: So many photos of you standing in front of We
Speaker 1: missed out on you and you in the desert alone.
Speaker 1: I guess we have photos of you in the desert.
Speaker 3: And I wanted to do that thing you can do
Speaker 3: in Dubai where apparently you can go surfing, you know,
Speaker 3: on the same day you can go surfing outside and
Speaker 3: then go inside to that massive skiing room. Have you
Speaker 3: been there? Did you do that?
Speaker 1: I've been to Dubai. I didn't go that though.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I would have done. But this was
Speaker 3: before Twitter on Instagram, so would have it even been
Speaker 3: worth it?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 1: You couldn't make a scrap book.
Speaker 2: A weird gift that I didn't expect. It was basketball. Really.
Speaker 2: At twenty seventeen All Star Game in New Orleans, check
Speaker 2: into my hotel room. There's a bottle of champagne sitting
Speaker 2: there with a card carde signed by Isaiah to Sherlin
Speaker 2: Champagne that he has brought into the NBA world and
Speaker 2: was given to some of the media members there, And
Speaker 2: it was the first official champagne of a celebration of
Speaker 2: a championship celebration. I guess that was associated with the
Speaker 2: Lakers this year. It wasn't really made a huge deal,
Speaker 2: but yeah, I was surprised to see that. And I
Speaker 2: just bring it up because I know it angers JD
Speaker 2: because he didn't get a bottle of champagne and you too, LEA, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: And JD and I wrote the post all Style Games
Speaker 3: party and someone took out details specifically and said it's coming,
Speaker 3: It's on its way, and we're like, right.
Speaker 1: Never hopes he exceeds this man.
Speaker 2: Where is it?
Speaker 5: Blake? Name Blake?
Speaker 3: I can't remember, but I remember getting excited at me
Speaker 3: and JDB sort of like, great, we're getting a champagne
Speaker 3: as we deserve. As we deserve never showed up.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, there was no way we were getting that champagne.
Speaker 5: I mean that was the night we were leaving, wasn't it, Like.
Speaker 3: No, but they took our address to like send it
Speaker 3: to Atlanta there. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Also, we worked the guy for three more years or whatever, and.
Speaker 1: Every time he like mind drinking a.
Speaker 2: Exactly you think he fills up the sirloin bottles with
Speaker 2: water after they're they're done just because because he uses
Speaker 2: them on props as as props on this NBA TV set.
Speaker 2: Pretty they're drinking. I think they've got to connect. They're
Speaker 2: not going through Blake.
Speaker 1: I hope you guys get your bottle.
Speaker 3: Of the champagne.
Speaker 1: Did you ever get those jeans you were supposed to
Speaker 1: get in the mill from?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 3: What was that guy's name? He was angry. He was
Speaker 3: angry at my jeans, and he said he's gonna send
Speaker 3: me a few pays. All right, great, never turned off,
Speaker 3: never got him old muzzlewamp.
Speaker 4: That was.
Speaker 1: Mulewamp, didn't come.
Speaker 2: Didn't get your jeans swamp?
Speaker 1: Oh man, Alright, one more before we wrap this badly up.
Speaker 1: Hey toe hunks, a long time, first time on one
Speaker 1: of your recent beach step in episode, Skeets finally noticed
Speaker 1: that Lee and JD had sneakily replaced the stumpy feet
Speaker 1: guy in the opener with old eight toes. Yeah, there
Speaker 1: they are. Now. I'm very much team podcast since I
Speaker 1: listened to your show every day on the way to
Speaker 1: and from work. But when I heard this exchange, I
Speaker 1: had to go back and watch the YouTube video. I
Speaker 1: was stunned to see that the first three toes on
Speaker 1: old eight toes right foot are fused, and that's why
Speaker 1: he's called old a toes. For some reason, I had
Speaker 1: always assumed that old a toes was called old a
Speaker 1: toes because he was straight up missing one toe from
Speaker 1: each foot. I went all these years listening to your
Speaker 1: show thinking I knew all about your friend's bodies. But
Speaker 1: boy was I wrong. Anyways, my question to you is this,
Speaker 1: what's one time you thought you were in on a
Speaker 1: joke only to realize you had been solely mistaken the
Speaker 1: whole time? Eight toes Rhino sets grishow. That's from Bayon
Speaker 1: from London, Ontario, Canada. Shout out to London. I don't
Speaker 1: really want answer to the question, but I'm one hundred
Speaker 1: percent on board with what he thought. For the longest
Speaker 1: time we heard all day toes. I think I've said
Speaker 1: this before. I thought that just meant that he had
Speaker 1: four toes on each flat. I would have never, ever,
Speaker 1: in a million years, I thought that it was because
Speaker 1: three of them were lumped into one fused together the appearance.
Speaker 3: Of ten, but three operators a single unit, so they
Speaker 3: only count as eight. Yeah, you know, now I've got
Speaker 3: another mate called KitKat who's missing. He was born without
Speaker 3: a thumb, uh, and so he's only got four fingers.
Speaker 3: So that's that's that's legit.
Speaker 1: That's legit. What's going on in the water in Australia,
Speaker 1: you got oxygen water. He's weird body, you know, a
Speaker 1: nuclear place.
Speaker 3: Kit Cats from South Africa.
Speaker 4: So well.
Speaker 3: But it's funny because you know, when you go to
Speaker 3: meet somebody, it's on his right hand. So when you
Speaker 3: shake hands, you know the thumb. You realize, yeah that
Speaker 3: you expect the thumb to be there, and you slide
Speaker 3: right past and you sort of grab his forearm.
Speaker 1: You're already bad at.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that one's one of those ones who're like, what
Speaker 3: the hell did I missed there? You know, but he
Speaker 3: was born he was born without a thumb.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a great guy kid cat. Yeah, sure, really
Speaker 3: good guy. But you know he's sort of like you
Speaker 3: know people, every time you meet someone new that he's like,
Speaker 3: yeahs born without a thumb, No big deal.
Speaker 1: Get pissed with you every time you do your old
Speaker 1: two thumbs up. I'll tell you that. You just fly
Speaker 1: in his face.
Speaker 3: He's a good sport kit cat. He's fine.
Speaker 2: Here's another guy who has a tattoo of leave. But
Speaker 2: it's just one from one thumber kit cat. That's legit.
Speaker 2: It's legit.
Speaker 1: That's a great Honestly, it's just a fun thing to say.
Speaker 1: It's some perfectual. I'm on bre with that. I like that.
Speaker 1: Do you have an answer for this, lee?
Speaker 3: I was trying to think of one. Yeah, it is
Speaker 3: because in school, you know, sometimes when like you would
Speaker 3: you put the sticker on the back of someone that
Speaker 3: says kick me and all that, you'll be in on that,
Speaker 3: but sometimes you were the one who's been kicked as well.
Speaker 3: I had another story, but that's that one's not appropriate
Speaker 3: to broadcast because of it involves a couple of people.
Speaker 3: But that was a pretty funny story one time in Spain,
Speaker 3: actually in Barcelona.
Speaker 1: That was a pretty funny story.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 3: I was trying to think, could I somehow shoehorn this
Speaker 3: in without giving away the details? But no, I can't. Unfortunately,
Speaker 3: sorry about that. But yeah, it's tough. It's tough, really,
Speaker 3: I think. I guess.
Speaker 1: I guess.
Speaker 3: The only time we've all been in on a joke
Speaker 3: is when we used to hide the orange gum from
Speaker 3: our producer Matt, you know, because he would eat the
Speaker 3: whole packet in like ten minutes and and act like
Speaker 3: he hasn't. And so we would have a whole fresh,
Speaker 3: like twenty packet, grew thing of it, and someone whould
Speaker 3: hide it.
Speaker 1: We would have to hide it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And then all of a sudden Matt would leave
Speaker 3: the office and come back and there'd just be a
Speaker 3: packet on the desk and no one would say anything.
Speaker 3: And a couple of times he was looking around like
Speaker 3: where did that come from?
Speaker 2: Oh, there was Matt's birthday yesterday. We should have sent
Speaker 2: him a package that would here to be a whole
Speaker 2: array of gum. But then you'd open it and there
Speaker 2: there would be a note, we're hatting it from you,
Speaker 2: no come find it.
Speaker 1: It would be it would be all the gum that
Speaker 1: we've already chewed and wrapped of the packet and just
Speaker 1: put back in.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because he coun't throw those in the trash, he
Speaker 3: would pile them up next to his like you would
Speaker 3: have like ten pieces of chewed gum there, And he
Speaker 3: wouldn't think that was weird either of all the things
Speaker 3: that he thinks I did that was gross. He didn't
Speaker 3: think that was gross.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fair, Yeah, it's good.
Speaker 2: He's again, he's so against biting into a fresh piece.
Speaker 2: They'll have used gum on a table for hours. Okay,
Speaker 2: I'll give a quick answer to this one. And it
Speaker 2: does involve a thumb. Actually, yeah, the it's not a
Speaker 2: kit kat story, but the email Aer signed off there
Speaker 2: with eight toes rhino sets. Grisham a few of our friends,
Speaker 2: and mine does involve rhino sets. Who was once Canadian
Speaker 2: Junior Bowler of the Year. The man knows is bowling.
Speaker 2: He won the TSN Classic Bowl Championship. The announcer said,
Speaker 2: this kid's got maple moxie. Yeah, that Canadian definitely had
Speaker 2: a lot of maple moxie rhino sets. Actually, he told
Speaker 2: me that in the PBA, the Professional Bowlers Association, they
Speaker 2: had started bowling with two hands, and I didn't believe them.
Speaker 2: He said, there's no chance, like they would put two
Speaker 2: hands on the ball and throw it right. You know,
Speaker 2: they stick their thumb in there, stick their other two
Speaker 2: fingers in there, corral it and do a you know,
Speaker 2: their big spin. It's not it's not legal. It's not
Speaker 2: possible that, but they he had He had me. I
Speaker 2: just didn't. I mean, I guess I just had myself
Speaker 2: because I didn't believe it for a while and then
Speaker 2: then I saw it. The best bowlers in the world
Speaker 2: now bowl with two hands. Jason Bell Monte, he's a
Speaker 2: two hand bowler, flinging it out there.
Speaker 1: It's crazy. Can you do that? But you mean when
Speaker 1: you when you say two hands, he's not literally sticking
Speaker 1: fingers from both hands into the Okay, yeah, he's like
Speaker 1: what he'd do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's he's got he's got both hands. He
Speaker 2: guides it with the other hand like it it's it's
Speaker 2: on the whole time until he he lets it go.
Speaker 2: He it's not a traditional rear back with your one arm.
Speaker 2: He kind of you know, it's less of a wind
Speaker 2: up and uh yeah, that's two hands.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm gonna say, it almost makes more sense,
Speaker 1: doesn't it. We shoot a basketball with two hands. He's
Speaker 1: your other one as like a guiding hand.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it just feels like cheating after after seeing generations
Speaker 2: of generations bowl with one hand. But it's it's the
Speaker 2: way the game's evolving. It's the way the sports evolving.
Speaker 2: But it it doesn't feel like cheating.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just like it.
Speaker 2: The old schoolers definitely don't like it. They think it's
Speaker 2: they think it's cheap.
Speaker 1: I mean cheating. I don't think it's the right word
Speaker 1: for it. It's yeah, it's unorthodox. It's be like someone
Speaker 1: shooting underhand free throws, I would guess. I mean it's
Speaker 1: it's still the same thing. You're still doing the same
Speaker 1: The goal is not changed. It's just how you're going
Speaker 1: about it looks silly, But.
Speaker 3: I think with balling, with professional balls, the spin they
Speaker 3: put on the ball, I think it would be harder
Speaker 3: to do that with two hands because you got to
Speaker 3: curve it around and it's got a grip, and then.
Speaker 1: Maybe the second hand while he's throwing it is like
Speaker 1: spinning it even more coming down on it.
Speaker 2: The spin's still there. It's just it makes it a
Speaker 2: tiny bit easier, I guess, to be able to guide
Speaker 2: it where you want.
Speaker 3: Oh, we've got Dave setting here in the comments. Is
Speaker 3: his brother someone's talking about.
Speaker 1: By the way, if you.
Speaker 2: Talk to Dave, that's a real Dave set and is
Speaker 2: a perfect game, says Dave Setton. Twelve strikes in a
Speaker 2: row eight hundred series is three consecutive games, adding to
Speaker 2: at least eight hundred. Eight hundred is much harder Oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've talked about this.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, Yeah, he's he's just having a chat with
Speaker 2: somebody in the in the chat here because Erwin Rossio asked,
Speaker 2: is is a eight hundred still better than a perfect games?
Speaker 2: That's the debate. Three games to get you to eight
Speaker 2: hundred or a perfect game game?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Is that more more difficult? Because Dave Setton he's never
Speaker 2: bowled a perfect game from what I remember, but he's
Speaker 2: done the eight hundred and three games. So that's the debate.
Speaker 2: But listen, Rhino Sentence, he's got the resume to prove it.
Speaker 2: Canadian Junior Bowl of the Year. You can watch him
Speaker 2: on YouTube. TSM Classic Bowl Championship. He's got the maple moxie.
Speaker 2: He's you mentioned Vick Rouder a couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 2: League the TSN broadcaster. He's calling Rhino sentence Classic Bowl
Speaker 2: Championship as he as he check.
Speaker 3: That's incredible. I mean when you said he does all
Speaker 3: the sports, think bawling was up there as well. I
Speaker 3: mean Olympics and hockey. It might be possible tennis, but
Speaker 3: bawling as well. Man, what a stop? Vicky?
Speaker 1: All right, go check that clip out. Let's call it there.
Speaker 1: Because that's a lot of bowling talk to end a
Speaker 1: basketball podcast with. But we appreciate all your emails. Keep
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Speaker 1: enjoy them. And thanks again for joining us. Keep questions coming.
Speaker 1: We'll call it there. Everybody, have a safe and fun weekend.
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Speaker 5: Awesome.
Speaker 2: I don't want to do this but a little bit
Speaker 2: more bowling talk. And since we had John Schuman on
Speaker 2: this week, who likes to correct people with a well, actually,
Speaker 2: I just got well actually by my friend Dave said,
Speaker 2: and he said, I have four three hundreds, four perfect
Speaker 2: games and was the youngest in Ontario at the time
Speaker 2: to shoot an eight hundred. Way to go, I just
Speaker 2: got well actually by my buddy on this show.
Speaker 3: Correct And he's not even the best bowler in his family,
Speaker 3: but he's probably third.
Speaker 1: That's the crazy part. We're going to see a thirty
Speaker 1: for thirty talk about the sets bowling one of these days.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, embrace the weekend. People.
Speaker 5: You could stay every day.
Speaker 1: Thank you, happy every man so long that you're the
Speaker 1: one I've waiting for.
Speaker 2: It's happened already.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be grippy.