WEBVTT - Beach Steppin' | SVG, Hypothetical Warriors Trades, Bowling 0:00:22.600 --> 0:00:26.720 Ah yeah, Stepping on the beach the only place to 0:00:26.720 --> 0:00:30.680 read your emails and your tweets. It's Friday, October twenty third. 0:00:30.920 --> 0:00:33.159 Thanks for checking out the No Dunks podcast here on 0:00:33.200 --> 0:00:36.239 the Athletic Network. I'm J. E. Skeets and alongside me, 0:00:36.680 --> 0:00:38.320 as always, we got task Mellis. 0:00:38.479 --> 0:00:40.520 Hey, everybody, great to hear from you again. 0:00:40.600 --> 0:00:43.720 Hey, we got the international man of mystery taking it 0:00:43.720 --> 0:00:49.519 to the max. Lee Ellis friendly and last but not 0:00:49.600 --> 0:00:52.720 least making this magic habin as JD. Hello, there he 0:00:52.800 --> 0:00:55.040 is and here we are the bearded want Trey Kirby 0:00:55.400 --> 0:00:59.360 still off camping with the family. I actually texted him 0:00:59.400 --> 0:01:02.320 last night to ask how many fish he had caught, 0:01:03.080 --> 0:01:07.200 and sadly I have to report at least last night 0:01:07.360 --> 0:01:10.600 nothing only bike came off. Lely that was the only 0:01:10.600 --> 0:01:13.399 one he had. But he says, and I'm quoting him here, 0:01:13.959 --> 0:01:20.080 there's bass in that way. He believes, he believes, gotta 0:01:20.080 --> 0:01:21.920 have some face. So good luck to tray Herbie. He 0:01:21.959 --> 0:01:24.000 will be back for sure next week for a couple 0:01:24.000 --> 0:01:26.959 of our podcasts. Thanks again everybody for sending in their 0:01:27.040 --> 0:01:29.479 questions over the last couple of days over the last week. 0:01:29.560 --> 0:01:31.760 Keep them coming, email them in No Dunks at the 0:01:31.840 --> 0:01:34.640 Athletic dot Com or you can tweet them in at 0:01:34.720 --> 0:01:38.080 No Dunks Inc. We have another great batch of questions tasks, 0:01:38.120 --> 0:01:40.600 but before we do, had some coaching news that we 0:01:40.640 --> 0:01:43.319 can just quickly slip in here. I'll just lump them 0:01:43.319 --> 0:01:45.000 together and you can go wherever you want with it. 0:01:45.240 --> 0:01:48.840 The Pelicans hired Stan Van Gundy and his Twitter account 0:01:48.920 --> 0:01:52.800 as their next head coach, and the Pacers hired Raptors 0:01:52.920 --> 0:01:56.960 assistant Nate Jorkrin as next head coach. So from Nate 0:01:57.000 --> 0:01:59.880 to Nate there in Indiana. But the Pelicans hiring the 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:03.160 notorious SVG I think is maybe the bigger news to 0:02:03.240 --> 0:02:06.240 a lot of at least casual fans, probably knowing that name. 0:02:06.240 --> 0:02:08.800 What do you think, Well, he is a great coach 0:02:08.800 --> 0:02:10.720 and we are going to miss him. On the tweets, 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:15.280 he was a fantastic Twitter follower. He says he's going 0:02:15.360 --> 0:02:18.400 to continue with the tweets. At the same time he 0:02:18.520 --> 0:02:20.400 is going to tone it down, and he said he 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:23.440 is representing an organization now, so things are going to 0:02:23.480 --> 0:02:26.240 be a little different on the Twitter. But yeah, it's 0:02:26.280 --> 0:02:28.040 going to make a difference in our lives. No tweets, 0:02:28.400 --> 0:02:31.720 no stand on the broadcast No Stand on NBA TV. 0:02:32.400 --> 0:02:35.360 Listen when you watch him or listen to him on 0:02:35.600 --> 0:02:39.480 any basketball program. You know, the guy is extremely thorough 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:42.520 and everything he does and extremely knowledgeable. He's not going 0:02:42.560 --> 0:02:45.680 to be outworked, and that's what all of his players 0:02:45.919 --> 0:02:49.079 have said throughout the year's great reviews. He's also known 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:52.840 for establishing a great defense, and that's exactly what he 0:02:52.880 --> 0:02:55.640 needs to do in New Orleans. That's his primary job. 0:02:56.720 --> 0:02:58.760 We saw what happened in the bubble. They just kind 0:02:58.760 --> 0:03:01.680 of fell apart. He told Zach in July, I think 0:03:01.680 --> 0:03:05.520 their personnel is good enough defensively, as a transcribed there 0:03:05.560 --> 0:03:07.639 by Dan Devine, And maybe that got him the job. 0:03:07.680 --> 0:03:10.200 Maybe David Griffin was listening to the Zach Low podcast 0:03:10.240 --> 0:03:13.799 and said, this is perfect after what happened to Alvin 0:03:13.800 --> 0:03:16.080 Gentry in the bubble there. His team just it didn't 0:03:16.080 --> 0:03:19.840 show up. It really didn't with with you know, Zion 0:03:19.919 --> 0:03:21.920 in and out of the bubble may have been an 0:03:21.960 --> 0:03:24.920 issue and having to deal with his minutes, but the 0:03:24.919 --> 0:03:27.720 fact is they weren't working hard. You got guys like 0:03:27.800 --> 0:03:31.160 Drew Holliday, Lonzo Ball to be able to be able 0:03:31.240 --> 0:03:33.720 or should be able to really contribute on that end, 0:03:34.360 --> 0:03:37.160 Brandon Ingram, can stan Van get something out of him? 0:03:37.880 --> 0:03:40.200 And is Derek Favor is going to come back. I'm 0:03:40.240 --> 0:03:42.600 interested in that because I want to see Zion Williamson 0:03:42.640 --> 0:03:46.200 at the five just purely from a fan standpoint, and 0:03:46.200 --> 0:03:50.400 I think stan Van is inventive enough or was just 0:03:50.520 --> 0:03:53.720 curious to see that enough, so he'll try that out. 0:03:53.720 --> 0:03:55.360 But I think that what it comes down to is 0:03:55.640 --> 0:03:59.400 those names, Zion Williamson on the defensive end, sam Van 0:03:59.440 --> 0:04:03.160 Gundy with Wake Griffin most recently in Detroit, Dwight Howard 0:04:03.560 --> 0:04:06.560 back in Orlando. He will get on guys, and I 0:04:06.560 --> 0:04:08.839 think that's what it's about. It's about accountability, It's about 0:04:08.880 --> 0:04:12.360 superstars being held to their highest level, and stan Van 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:14.640 is going to do that. So there is definitely hope 0:04:15.080 --> 0:04:17.480 after an up and down five years for Alvin Gentry. 0:04:17.480 --> 0:04:20.640 I think I think stan Vand is a good choice 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:22.920 for sure to try and get them to play hard 0:04:22.960 --> 0:04:24.520 on that end. I mean, that's what it really comes 0:04:24.560 --> 0:04:28.600 down to is have a program superstars got to work, 0:04:28.880 --> 0:04:31.800 and I think I think Sveg can do that. 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:34.159 Yeah, I mean I think the Pelicans were twenty first 0:04:34.279 --> 0:04:36.760 in the NBA last regular season when it came to 0:04:36.920 --> 0:04:40.760 defensive efficiency so below Averagely you know you're gonna hope 0:04:40.760 --> 0:04:43.200 to get that least above average or average. Do you 0:04:43.240 --> 0:04:45.520 think this higher though SVG in New Orleans? Do you 0:04:45.520 --> 0:04:48.400 think it makes it less likely more likely that a 0:04:48.440 --> 0:04:51.240 guy like Holiday stays there, maybe even Reddick. Both of 0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:54.840 those guys unrestricted free agencies. After the season, you will 0:04:54.880 --> 0:04:56.760 those guys still be on the trade market. It favors 0:04:56.800 --> 0:04:58.640 you know, tast mentioned as well, Like I wonder with 0:04:58.720 --> 0:05:01.440 him coming in there, especially Hollanda as the best of 0:05:01.480 --> 0:05:03.320 the bunch there, what do you think about that? 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:06.680 Yeah, I mean, it's just about their timeline. Really, He's 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:09.960 got some history with JJ Redick stand van in Orlando, 0:05:10.080 --> 0:05:12.080 so he might want to have his veteran presence on 0:05:12.120 --> 0:05:14.839 the roster there. But if you're JJ Redick, you probably 0:05:14.880 --> 0:05:16.440 look at this roster and think we're not competing for 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:18.880 a championship in the next season or two. When he's 0:05:19.080 --> 0:05:20.560 you know, he's probably only got a couple of years 0:05:20.640 --> 0:05:23.320 left in the league, so he may want to go on. 0:05:23.400 --> 0:05:25.760 But I wouldn't be surprised if Stan's like, listen, I 0:05:25.800 --> 0:05:28.520 just want you around to help out, help sort of 0:05:28.520 --> 0:05:31.160 coach these younger guys. As for Drew Holliday, I mean, 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:32.520 we know he's a great player, we know he's a 0:05:32.520 --> 0:05:36.039 great defensive player, but again he is he sort of 0:05:36.080 --> 0:05:38.240 looking right now and thinking, if I'm going to win 0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:39.760 a championship, it's not going to be here in New 0:05:39.839 --> 0:05:41.160 Orleans because it's not going to happen for the next 0:05:41.160 --> 0:05:44.040 two or three seasons at least, no matter how well 0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:48.480 Zion Williams developed. So I think Drew Holiday probably probably 0:05:48.480 --> 0:05:50.279 wants to move on and probably wants to go to 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:52.800 a team that's a little bit closer to contending. But 0:05:53.040 --> 0:05:55.440 of course it comes back down to them what they 0:05:55.240 --> 0:05:56.880 can can they get in return for him? What sort 0:05:56.880 --> 0:05:59.560 of package do the Pelicans want? Do they want younger guys, 0:05:59.560 --> 0:06:02.240 do they want hicks, do they want assets? You know, 0:06:02.320 --> 0:06:04.560 to build for the future here with Zion, Because clearly 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:06.760 Zion is the key and they have to get the 0:06:06.839 --> 0:06:08.480 right players around him, but they also have to get 0:06:08.760 --> 0:06:11.599 pieces that fit around him. And the big question of 0:06:11.640 --> 0:06:13.760 course is Brandon England is that a long term fit 0:06:13.800 --> 0:06:17.600 there together? But in you know, aside from that, they 0:06:17.600 --> 0:06:18.880 have to get pieces that are going to sort of 0:06:18.880 --> 0:06:21.280 be able to grow with Zion. And sort of reach 0:06:21.360 --> 0:06:23.960 their peak at the same time. So that's going to 0:06:24.000 --> 0:06:25.800 be the question. I think you get something good in 0:06:25.839 --> 0:06:28.400 return for Drew Holiday, So I think he's got some value. 0:06:29.040 --> 0:06:30.719 It's just whether or not the Pelicans want to have 0:06:30.760 --> 0:06:32.600 some veterans around or do they want to just sort 0:06:32.600 --> 0:06:36.599 of basically blow it up and start now building around Zion. 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:40.080 Yeah, this is what's interesting about the sveg Higher. It 0:06:40.200 --> 0:06:43.000 says to me, hey, we want to win now. I mean, 0:06:43.040 --> 0:06:46.320 this is not like ant Borkrin or like some you know, 0:06:46.520 --> 0:06:49.039 unnamed assistant that we don't know of, and it's like, okay, 0:06:49.080 --> 0:06:51.960 we'll come in and you know, we'll look four or 0:06:52.000 --> 0:06:53.880 five years in the future, and obviously he's as Zion 0:06:53.920 --> 0:06:56.640 as our centerpiece and we will be a contending team 0:06:56.760 --> 0:06:58.960 down the road. This team you get Sam van Gundy. 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:01.560 You're saying to me, at least, no, we want to 0:07:01.600 --> 0:07:03.560 win now. No, I'm not saying title, but we want 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:05.240 to get into the playoffs. We want to be, you know, 0:07:05.560 --> 0:07:08.640 a contender of some sort. So that's what that's fascinating. 0:07:08.880 --> 0:07:11.080 And then yeah, how much does that play with keeping 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:13.600 Drew Holiday or not? How many picks can you get 0:07:13.640 --> 0:07:15.920 for Drew holiday. You know, are you looking at like 0:07:15.960 --> 0:07:18.120 what Conley got in his return? You know that type 0:07:18.120 --> 0:07:20.360 of thing. So, yeah, a lot of questions here. I'm 0:07:20.360 --> 0:07:22.440 excited that I'm with your task. It sucks that he 0:07:22.440 --> 0:07:24.240 won't be on the call because he's one of the best. 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:26.760 I do like that we have an NBA TV front 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:29.120 office though now in David Griffin and stan Via Guddy 0:07:29.640 --> 0:07:31.360 together feels like we're part of the team in a 0:07:31.400 --> 0:07:35.560 weird way. But yeah, it's it's a it's an interesting 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:38.040 decision to like for me. Again, I don't know if 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:42.040 that's ownership from the Pelicans, if that's Griff himself, Like, no, no, 0:07:42.080 --> 0:07:44.560 we want to win now, and we think we've got 0:07:44.560 --> 0:07:47.400 obviously some young talent here and we'll see who stays 0:07:47.400 --> 0:07:48.880 and what we can get in return for some of 0:07:48.920 --> 0:07:52.080 these older guys maybe, But yeah, we're gonna go get 0:07:52.080 --> 0:07:53.880 some w's right now because stan Van that's what he's 0:07:53.880 --> 0:07:55.640 gonna do, and he's hopefully gonna make that defense better. 0:07:55.680 --> 0:07:57.400 You know, Dan Devine did have a great article I 0:07:57.400 --> 0:08:00.280 thought I shared it on Twitter talking about Van Gundy teams. 0:08:00.280 --> 0:08:03.600 They control the defensive glass, they keep opponents off the line, 0:08:03.840 --> 0:08:06.560 keep them out of transition, which the Pelicans were brutal at. 0:08:06.760 --> 0:08:08.400 They take care of the ball for the most part, 0:08:09.000 --> 0:08:10.880 and they force the other team to shoot the shots 0:08:10.880 --> 0:08:14.119 that they don't want to take. It's pretty simple stuff, really, 0:08:14.160 --> 0:08:16.360 but that's what stan Fanny tries to implement, those like 0:08:16.920 --> 0:08:20.800 the classic don't kill yourself, like like, just don't make 0:08:20.840 --> 0:08:23.400 it easier for your opponents. So they should be better. 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:25.320 They're instantly going to be better, I think with stan 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:28.880 Maan Gunny as their coach, But how much better in 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:31.000 a loaded West? I mean, like, are the Pelicans to you? 0:08:31.960 --> 0:08:33.840 I know this is tough right now here in October 0:08:33.960 --> 0:08:35.280 and we don't even know when the season is starting, 0:08:35.280 --> 0:08:37.000 But are they a playoff team? Are they a lock 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:37.960 to make the playoffs? 0:08:38.200 --> 0:08:41.760 That should be that should be their expectation. I think 0:08:41.800 --> 0:08:43.360 so you think they're luck? 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:46.320 No, no, no, no. 0:08:45.520 --> 0:08:48.600 But the goal. But this is what hiring Stanman Gundy 0:08:48.640 --> 0:08:49.000 is saying. 0:08:49.040 --> 0:08:51.319 You think, yeah, I think. I think there's two extremes 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:55.679 we saw in one season last year, the expectations fell out, 0:08:55.960 --> 0:08:58.959 fell off the table because Zion Williamson wasn't there. And 0:08:58.960 --> 0:09:01.280 then when we saw him come back, the expectations went 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:04.600 through the roof. And if he's healthy, I think we're 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:07.800 all sort of we're all in the boat where we're 0:09:07.800 --> 0:09:10.080 still kind of sour with what happened in the bubble, 0:09:10.400 --> 0:09:12.840 just as far as you know fan base goes. But 0:09:12.920 --> 0:09:16.640 big picture, if David Griffin sits back and looks at 0:09:16.640 --> 0:09:19.920 what Zion did and what his team look like on 0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:23.280 the offensive end for a good chunk of his minutes, 0:09:23.679 --> 0:09:25.800 he's got to be pumped. And so yeah, you bring 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:27.439 in Standan because you want to win right now. I 0:09:27.480 --> 0:09:31.439 think Drew Holiday is there next year because stan Van 0:09:31.760 --> 0:09:34.240 is a guy who wants Drew Holiday on the floor 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:37.520 big time. So I expect them to have the same 0:09:37.559 --> 0:09:39.839 type of team. And it would be a huge disappointment 0:09:39.880 --> 0:09:41.839 if Zion is healthy next year and they don't make 0:09:41.840 --> 0:09:46.120 the playoffs for them, because it's there's a lot to 0:09:46.200 --> 0:09:48.520 tanker with. And I think that's when stan Van, when 0:09:48.559 --> 0:09:51.280 he's on zach Low in July, he wasn't, you know, 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:53.880 pining for the job back then. That was Alvin Gentry's 0:09:54.040 --> 0:09:56.040 job back then. But if you listen to that podcast, 0:09:56.080 --> 0:09:59.920 you can hear the gleam in stan Ban Gundy's eye 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:02.520 is pumped to just talk about that roster to talk 0:10:02.520 --> 0:10:05.920 about Drew Holiday and Zion Williamson and what everybody was 0:10:05.960 --> 0:10:09.120 excited for last year. You know, when we're looking forward 0:10:09.120 --> 0:10:11.920 to Game one, Zion is going to take the floor, 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:14.680 and then he got injured and it didn't happen until 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:17.000 you know, he hit four threes against the Spurs. I 0:10:17.040 --> 0:10:19.959 guess it was January when he came back. But I 0:10:20.000 --> 0:10:22.600 think they have enough talent. And we talked about defense. 0:10:22.720 --> 0:10:27.320 Zion Williamson. There's the highlight that is played constantly from 0:10:27.360 --> 0:10:29.640 his college days where he's in the lane and he 0:10:29.720 --> 0:10:32.160 goes out and blocks a shot in the corner with 0:10:32.240 --> 0:10:34.480 like a step and a half, like a Yiannis like step. 0:10:34.679 --> 0:10:37.760 He can be, if he's held accountable, a great defensive 0:10:37.760 --> 0:10:41.640 player as well, and they've got the offensive tools. You know, 0:10:41.720 --> 0:10:45.160 Brandon England is a star. So I think their goals 0:10:45.200 --> 0:10:47.560 should definitely be the playoffs, and if they're healthy, they 0:10:47.559 --> 0:10:50.440 should definitely be disappointed if they don't make it. It's exciting. 0:10:50.800 --> 0:10:53.200 It feels like it's almost like, you know, whatever it 0:10:53.240 --> 0:10:56.520 was twelve months ago when everyone was pumped to see 0:10:56.600 --> 0:10:57.400 Zion on the floor. 0:10:57.640 --> 0:10:59.880 Yeah. I think with Drew Holiday too, the idea of 0:10:59.880 --> 0:11:02.319 trading him or not. I think it's totally up to him. 0:11:02.559 --> 0:11:04.800 I think if Drew Holiday, I think he's so respected 0:11:04.840 --> 0:11:08.119 in this league and I'm sure has a great relationship 0:11:08.160 --> 0:11:10.839 with the Pelicans that if he said, like you were saying, ly, 0:11:11.120 --> 0:11:12.839 if he was like, I want to go win a ring, 0:11:12.880 --> 0:11:14.200 you know, I don't think it's going to happen here 0:11:14.200 --> 0:11:15.640 in the next couple of years. You guys are set 0:11:15.679 --> 0:11:17.280 up maybe for the long term, but I want to 0:11:17.320 --> 0:11:19.200 go get that. I'm getting to that point in my career. 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:22.120 I think they would because he's obviously would be coming 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:24.960 up to free agency unrestricted free agency a year from now. 0:11:25.360 --> 0:11:26.800 I think they would honor that, and I think they 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:28.400 would look to see what they could get for him. 0:11:28.760 --> 0:11:30.960 But I'm not so sure he would. Actually, I don't know. 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:32.640 You know, Drew Holly doesn't seem like that type of 0:11:32.679 --> 0:11:34.800 guy to me either, Like I have no idea, Like 0:11:34.840 --> 0:11:36.480 maybe he was just like, no this, you know, we 0:11:36.559 --> 0:11:37.760 got a new coach in here, let's see what we 0:11:37.800 --> 0:11:39.680 can do. And maybe, like task, I sort of split. 0:11:39.720 --> 0:11:41.960 The difference here is you don't trade him this off season, 0:11:42.000 --> 0:11:44.160 whatever the hell the off season means anymore, but you 0:11:44.240 --> 0:11:47.800 wait until whenever the trade deadline is right, and then 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:49.720 you know, you get the odd desperate team and maybe 0:11:49.760 --> 0:11:52.400 the trade package coming back is a little juicier. Maybe 0:11:52.400 --> 0:11:55.040 there's an extra pick, maybe there's another younger, small, younger 0:11:55.080 --> 0:11:57.960 asset that's included. So yeah, I sort of now think 0:11:57.960 --> 0:11:59.960 if I'm a betting guy, I wouldn't. I don't think 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:01.959 Holly will be on a different team at the start 0:12:02.000 --> 0:12:04.640 of next season, though I still sort of have an 0:12:04.679 --> 0:12:08.120 idea that he will be traded around the trade deadline 0:12:08.160 --> 0:12:11.840 because at that point, you know, who knows what your 0:12:11.880 --> 0:12:13.600 team has done up to that point, how many wins 0:12:13.600 --> 0:12:15.760 you have. Are the Pelicans in a race, a playoff race? 0:12:16.520 --> 0:12:18.760 Have they shocked people in like a fifth seed? Who knows? 0:12:18.760 --> 0:12:20.960 But I sort of think he will be there now 0:12:21.080 --> 0:12:22.760 at the start of the year. And I think Reddick 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:24.839 as well. Favors is an interesting one, but we will 0:12:24.880 --> 0:12:27.120 see anything to add before we get to the questions 0:12:27.320 --> 0:12:31.439 with the Pacers hiring Raptors assistant Nate Yorkrin, I believe 0:12:31.480 --> 0:12:33.439 I'm saying that right. You know, it's one of those 0:12:33.440 --> 0:12:35.199 ones that I think is not that difficult to say, 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:37.800 but it looks crazy, right, But yeah, I mean, this 0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:40.800 was a little out of left field Lee. You know, 0:12:40.880 --> 0:12:42.600 there was all There's been a lot of big names 0:12:42.640 --> 0:12:45.880 being thrown around, you know, coaches that have coached before, 0:12:45.920 --> 0:12:47.640 and this guy gets his first shot here in Indiana. 0:12:47.679 --> 0:12:50.320 What do you think they're hoping to get Nick Nurse? Light? Really, 0:12:50.360 --> 0:12:52.760 because it's been with Nick Nurse a long time. I 0:12:52.800 --> 0:12:54.800 think you're dieting back twelve or thirteen years when they 0:12:54.840 --> 0:12:57.319 first started coaching together. And he's going to try to 0:12:57.360 --> 0:12:59.160 adapt a lot of the principles that Nick Nurse is 0:12:59.160 --> 0:13:02.720 implemented there Toronto three pointers, move that ball, and you 0:13:02.760 --> 0:13:04.760 know what, if things aren't working, I'm going to try things. 0:13:04.800 --> 0:13:06.600 I'm going to try things differently. I'm going to try 0:13:06.600 --> 0:13:09.760 to improve the defense. He likes that opportunity, likes that team. 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:12.800 So yeah, I think it's a bit of a flyer 0:13:12.840 --> 0:13:16.040 here for sure for the Paces because he's a relative 0:13:16.160 --> 0:13:19.520 unknown to most basketball fans. But I think they look 0:13:19.520 --> 0:13:21.840 at the success that Nick Nurse had and how he 0:13:21.920 --> 0:13:23.680 was able to communicate with players, and that's one of 0:13:23.679 --> 0:13:26.079 the things that Bjork spoke about. He said, we've got 0:13:26.080 --> 0:13:28.160 to communicate, We've got to get everyone on the same page. 0:13:28.440 --> 0:13:30.079 And that's one thing that Nick Nurse has been very, 0:13:30.120 --> 0:13:32.240 very successful with So if the Pacers can get a 0:13:32.280 --> 0:13:35.959 guy who's able to communicate with his players and get 0:13:35.960 --> 0:13:38.760 the same sort of respect from them, then things should 0:13:38.760 --> 0:13:40.720 improve the Pacers. I think this is a playoff team. 0:13:40.760 --> 0:13:43.200 It's just they've been this same sort of on the 0:13:43.240 --> 0:13:45.160 treadmill here for a couple of years now, where they 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:46.960 make the playoffs. They're good enough to make the playoffs, 0:13:46.960 --> 0:13:50.000 you know, bit seed, six seed even higher, but that's 0:13:50.200 --> 0:13:52.280 they can't really get any further than that. So the 0:13:52.280 --> 0:13:53.880 Pacers are hoping to turn a corner. They've got a 0:13:53.920 --> 0:13:56.480 few question marks, of course, with their roster as whether 0:13:56.559 --> 0:13:59.640 or not on the deepot stays maybe Miles Turner, so 0:13:59.760 --> 0:14:02.000 that it will be some interesting things they have for Indiana. 0:14:02.080 --> 0:14:04.000 But I think it's it's I think it's worth shot. 0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:04.400 Why not. 0:14:04.679 --> 0:14:07.920 I think he's done his time and they've seen success 0:14:07.920 --> 0:14:09.920 with Nick Nurse, and I think maybe Night you can 0:14:09.960 --> 0:14:12.440 have the same sort of impact on oucing anything to 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:12.840 add tests. 0:14:13.960 --> 0:14:16.160 No, it's just kind of hard to evaluate because you 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:18.640 don't know what his roster is going to be. We 0:14:18.679 --> 0:14:20.880 don't know if Victor Oladipo is going to be there. 0:14:21.600 --> 0:14:29.280 I assume he's got the the htzpah of a nick nurse, 0:14:29.360 --> 0:14:32.040 like he's going to take some chances and try and 0:14:32.080 --> 0:14:35.080 get creative on the offensive end. But who the heck 0:14:35.160 --> 0:14:38.240 knows the Pacers roster next year. I mean, we really 0:14:38.280 --> 0:14:41.160 have no idea, and that leads us into our first question. 0:14:41.280 --> 0:14:43.600 Unless you want to talk, No, let's do it some Nate. Yeah, 0:14:43.640 --> 0:14:45.720 let's do it, because we've got a hypothetical here. We 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:48.520 got a who says no. I know you're excitedly. Hello, 0:14:48.600 --> 0:14:50.880 No Dunks. I love your podcast. I listen to you 0:14:50.920 --> 0:14:54.000 guys so much that I think of you all as friends. 0:14:54.920 --> 0:14:58.000 My question today is a who says no, The Warriors 0:14:58.080 --> 0:15:02.160 trade Andrew Wiggins and they're twenty twenty second overall pick 0:15:02.200 --> 0:15:07.080 for the Pacers, TJ Warren and Miles Turner. I think 0:15:07.120 --> 0:15:09.480 the Warriors do it because they move on from Andrew Wiggins. 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:12.120 They just got the guy, and in return get back 0:15:12.160 --> 0:15:15.040 a solid third scoring option to TJ. Warren and get 0:15:15.040 --> 0:15:17.320 a great defensive center and Miles Turner who can try 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:20.000 and slow down Anthony Davis. I think the Pacers do 0:15:20.040 --> 0:15:22.040 it because they start a proper rebuild and get a 0:15:22.040 --> 0:15:25.240 solid young player in the second overall pick who they 0:15:25.320 --> 0:15:28.040 can build around turn up love you guys. Awesome. That's 0:15:28.040 --> 0:15:32.040 from Morgan, our friend in Australia, skeets, what do you 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:34.640 think of this? Warriors Pacers? Who says no deal? 0:15:34.760 --> 0:15:36.600 I'll tell you who says no? The Pacers say no, 0:15:37.000 --> 0:15:43.400 The Warriors say absolutely yes, instantaneously, yes, come on, come on, okay. 0:15:43.480 --> 0:15:45.560 First all, I couldn't believe that this actually checks out, 0:15:45.600 --> 0:15:47.480 like you can actually do this trade. You read it 0:15:47.520 --> 0:15:49.320 and you're like, how is that gonna work? You know, 0:15:49.400 --> 0:15:53.280 financially it does because Wiggins makes USh ton of money, 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:56.520 you know, twenty nine point five million, still three years 0:15:56.600 --> 0:15:59.560 to go. The number two pick, you know obviously rookie 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:01.120 scale con track type thing, that's going to be close 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:03.360 to nine million. But then Warren eleven point seven million 0:16:03.360 --> 0:16:05.800 for two years, Turner seventeen point five million for three years. 0:16:05.800 --> 0:16:07.880 So basically adding those two gets you to Wiggins. So 0:16:07.920 --> 0:16:11.640 it does work. Here is why though, I just think 0:16:11.640 --> 0:16:14.920 the Pacers say no, and this is like a I'm 0:16:14.920 --> 0:16:16.520 glad we got to this because you've seen a lot 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:17.880 of these, Like the Warriors are going to trade the 0:16:17.960 --> 0:16:19.920 number two pick, what could they get back? Who could 0:16:19.960 --> 0:16:23.359 they get back? There is an overall lack of consensus 0:16:23.400 --> 0:16:25.960 surrounding the top available prospects in this draft. Now, I 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:28.440 am not a draft expert, but that is that is clear. 0:16:29.600 --> 0:16:33.000 If this were to happen, there's no way it goes 0:16:33.040 --> 0:16:36.120 through without I think Golden State having to throw in 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:39.080 another pick in the They have to probably throw in 0:16:39.120 --> 0:16:42.160 the twenty twenty one Minnesota pick from the D'Angelo Russell trade, 0:16:42.400 --> 0:16:44.400 which is protected top three and twenty twenty one and 0:16:44.440 --> 0:16:48.000 then is unprotected. Now things that gets a little more 0:16:48.040 --> 0:16:50.800 interesting to me because you have the Pacers taking on 0:16:51.160 --> 0:16:54.440 the bigger, longer term deal in Wiggins, who, by the way, 0:16:54.480 --> 0:16:56.680 of those three guys that we mentioned, is he the 0:16:56.720 --> 0:17:00.920 worst player easily? Yes, exactly, so you'd have to be. 0:17:01.240 --> 0:17:03.520 I think we're super pumped about TJ. Warren's right. 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:05.240 No, I'm not super pumped at all about TJ. 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:05.560 Warren. 0:17:05.720 --> 0:17:08.960 Well, but he's Wiggins is not as good as a TJ. 0:17:09.000 --> 0:17:09.240 Warren. 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:11.439 I'd rather hit on my team at the contract he 0:17:11.520 --> 0:17:13.280 is task basically. 0:17:13.040 --> 0:17:15.640 A third Okay, well, you're throwing two things in there. 0:17:15.680 --> 0:17:19.040 Is he the best better? I mean, is he going 0:17:19.119 --> 0:17:21.399 to be your small forward on a championship team like 0:17:21.480 --> 0:17:23.280 are the Warriors going to say, hey, this guy's are 0:17:23.320 --> 0:17:26.240 starting small forward on our championship team. TJ. 0:17:26.359 --> 0:17:32.679 Warren, Well, yeah, you you are holding I mean, Wiggins 0:17:32.760 --> 0:17:36.840 Island is completely yours now, but ulmost respect it. But 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:39.119 I just don't think the Pacers do this without another 0:17:39.160 --> 0:17:41.160 pick being thrown in. There is my point, because again, 0:17:41.240 --> 0:17:43.160 this draft is not like you're not getting John Moran 0:17:43.200 --> 0:17:45.280 at number two here, you know, you like you're you 0:17:45.280 --> 0:17:46.800 don't even know who you're gonna get because you don't 0:17:46.840 --> 0:17:48.480 know first off of Minnesota is keeping the number one 0:17:48.520 --> 0:17:51.120 pick and who they're taking or if it's traded, who 0:17:51.119 --> 0:17:53.440 the hell the other team is taken? So who's let 0:17:53.520 --> 0:17:54.840 you know? I mean, are you getting Ball? Are you 0:17:54.880 --> 0:17:58.199 getting Wiseman? Are you getting Edwards? Like you don't really know? 0:17:58.440 --> 0:18:00.240 And all three of those guys, by the way, again 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:01.760 I'm not an expert when it comes to draft, but 0:18:02.200 --> 0:18:04.080 no one's like, well, they're a ten time All Star, 0:18:04.320 --> 0:18:06.840 you know, they're future All NBA player. Like people are 0:18:06.920 --> 0:18:08.879 not saying that by any means with a lot of 0:18:08.880 --> 0:18:12.159 these guys. So it's a huge unknown. So I just 0:18:12.200 --> 0:18:15.159 think in this scenario, and this is to our friend Morgan, 0:18:15.200 --> 0:18:17.280 this is an easy who says no that the Pacers 0:18:17.280 --> 0:18:21.600 would say no, they would need more. But all that 0:18:21.760 --> 0:18:24.359 to say, I mean there is there are packages for 0:18:24.440 --> 0:18:26.760