1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,040 Speaker 1: On the Jordan Harbinger Show, You'll hear amazing stories from 2 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: people that have lived them, from spies to CEOs, even 3 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:10,119 Speaker 1: an undercover agent who infiltrated the Gambino crime family. You're 4 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: about to hear a preview of The Jordan Harbinger Show 5 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: with Jack Garcia, who did just that. My career was 6 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: twenty four out of twenty six years was solely dedicated 7 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: working on the cover. I walk in, I'm in the bar. 8 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,120 Speaker 1: How there's a bar made? Dare good looking young lady 9 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: see serving me? Joey, Hey, what would you like? I 10 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: usually my frank was give me a kettle, one martini, 11 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 1: three olives, class of water on the side. I finished 12 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: the drink. The guys come in. I'm gonna go go 13 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: in my pocket, take out the big wad of money. Hey, am, 14 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,200 Speaker 1: I give her one hundred hours. If you're with the mob, 15 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: I say, hey, Jordan, you're on record with us. That 16 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 1: means we protect you. Nobody could shake you down. We 17 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:50,879 Speaker 1: could shake you down. Oh, you're on record with us. 18 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: For more on how Jack became so trusted in the 19 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: highest levels of the Gambino organization, check out episode three 20 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 1: ninety two of the Jordan Harbinger show. This is a 21 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: Jesse Kelly show. Sometimes you just gotta think through things. 22 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: It is me the showgun on a Monday morning. What Chris, 23 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: And I'm telling you, I think I'm gonna start doing 24 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 1: this thing because I'm a bad person. I do things 25 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:44,039 Speaker 1: all the time that just make me laugh. Like my 26 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 1: son's will have They always have bruises because they're sons. 27 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 1: And every time I'll say, oh man, that one, that 28 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: one looks bad. Come over here, let me see it, 29 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: and then I'll poke it were like dad and run away. 30 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 1: So I'm a bad person, but I've decided on Monday mornings, 31 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna be extra peppy because nobody wants to 32 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 1: be here. Have you have you ever worked with somebody 33 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 1: like that? I worked with a guy like that. Your 34 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 1: baby mondays, yeah, you want to kill that person. No, 35 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:18,640 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a wild day today. The US Army 36 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 1: halting the gender neutral Fitness test so women can start 37 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: doing better. Oregon handing out one hundred and twenty three 38 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: big ones for slavery reparations and sports parents. This one 39 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: might cut some of you deep. Everyone else is going 40 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 1: to relate to it, though. Now let's rewind just a bit. 41 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: When I say just a bit, we're rewinding to before Christ, 42 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: about one hundred years before Christ's actually the year one 43 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 1: twelve ish. Don't worry about that. We're pre Christ. We're 44 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: going to ancient Rome. This is not taking place in Rome, 45 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 1: and this is not the Roman emperor era. This is 46 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: pre Julius Caesar. All that. Now, we're not two pre 47 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: Julius Caesar. But at this point in time, Rome is 48 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: still run really by the Senate. They have a couple proconsuls. 49 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 1: They're basically like presidents, maybe a little less power than 50 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: a president, but they only serve one year terms, and 51 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: there's two of them. It's very weird, and I will say, 52 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 1: to their credit, I think we would be a lot 53 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: better off if we copied this model. Their proconsuls were 54 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: almost always generals, men who would lead men into combat, 55 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: and lots of the time these generals were in combat. 56 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: It was not at all common. Go look at the 57 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 1: history of the Roman Empire, how many consoles died in combat? 58 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: Think about think about how much differently your country would 59 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: view war and deployments and extended things. If the President 60 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: of the United States himself is in the foxhole right 61 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:24,160 Speaker 1: next to you with taken rounds. Do you think maybe 62 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:29,159 Speaker 1: we'd be a little more reserved about things? And get 63 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: this back then, as you well know, it wasn't just you. 64 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 1: Your sons grew up learning about how important that was. 65 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:42,159 Speaker 1: If you were one of the higher classes. Part of 66 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 1: your son's growing up was military training and military conquests. 67 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:49,479 Speaker 1: And guess what your uncle Bob did, and guess what 68 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:52,840 Speaker 1: uncle Jerry did, and get you could your great grandfather 69 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 1: led this battle. You grow up thinking, well, I have 70 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 1: to do that too, and off the war you go. 71 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 1: Not at all uncommon for a great general and his 72 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 1: son to both die in combat, as happened to the 73 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: Roman Crassis. But setting all that aside, there's this place 74 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: called Carthage. And no, don't get excited. This isn't the 75 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:20,039 Speaker 1: Punic war show, well, any one of the three Punic Wars. 76 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: It's none of this. But you need to understand a 77 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 1: little bit about the Carthage Roman situation before we can 78 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 1: get to where we are. Carthage and Rome, when they 79 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:33,600 Speaker 1: first started having their squabbles, you would have looked at 80 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 1: it on paper and said, ah, I give Rome a chance. 81 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 1: There's certainly young and upcoming and impressive. No, doubt, no doubt, impressive, 82 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: but obviously Carthage is going to win. Look it's Carthage. 83 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: Carthage was. You can picture the Mediterranean in your mind, 84 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 1: got the Italian boots sticking out in the middle of it. 85 00:05:55,800 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 1: Carthage was Northern Africa modern day Tunisia, Northern Africa. Don't 86 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:03,280 Speaker 1: worry about Tunisia. Don't worry about that. Just know it 87 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: was a major, major, major seaport. They got stupid rich 88 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:11,359 Speaker 1: on all the shipping goods back and forth, and I 89 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: mean stupid rich. There was going to be an inevitable 90 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 1: clash between them and this up and comer to the North. 91 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:23,919 Speaker 1: Rome wins the First War, that's the first of the 92 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: Punic Wars. Then they get in the Second Punic War. 93 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 1: This is the one where we have the great General 94 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 1: Hannibal Barco wiping out multiple gigantic Roman armies, but eventually 95 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 1: he can't get the support from Carthage needs, goes back home. 96 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: They lose the Second Punic War two, which brings us 97 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:50,359 Speaker 1: to the Third Punic War. Rome after the Second Punic 98 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: War did remember what we did to Germany after World 99 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: War One? Rome essentially did that to Carthage. After the 100 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:02,119 Speaker 1: Second Punic War or you can't have this, you can't 101 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:04,840 Speaker 1: have that, We're going to take hostages from you, and 102 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:09,479 Speaker 1: they put this absurd Rome essentially only Rome was pretty 103 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: open about it. What they did to Carthage after the 104 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: Second Punic War was simply set up. We really want 105 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 1: to come back here and kill all of you and 106 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: wipe you out. So we don't think you're gonna be 107 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: able to abide by any of these. So just know 108 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: that they made Carthage pay an absurd amount of money back. 109 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: They made it so Carthage wasn't allowed to declare war 110 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 1: with anybody else without Rome's, without Rome's permission, And it's 111 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 1: not as if Rome's gonna go running down there to 112 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: protect Carthage if Carthage is in trouble. You essentially tied 113 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 1: their hands behind their back. Well, remember about five and 114 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: a half seconds ago when I said Carthage was really really, 115 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: really really really rich. They paid off their debt almost immediately. 116 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: They just started making so much money and started paying 117 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 1: it down to get out from under the Roman yoke. 118 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 1: They pay it off almost immediately. But Numidia, they're right 119 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 1: next to Carthage. And that's actually what our stories about 120 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 1: today they're right next to Carthage, and they're not friends 121 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: with Carthage. And think what it's like having big brother 122 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 1: right next door for all this time. It can be taxing. 123 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 1: You're never number one. You and I will never know 124 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: how that feels, Lord Willing, We've been We've spent our 125 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 1: adult lives being number one in the world, let alone 126 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: number one in our region. But I think about this 127 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:41,680 Speaker 1: a lot. What I think about Eastern European countries budding 128 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:45,839 Speaker 1: right up against Russia. You have this gigantic, grizzly bear 129 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: breathing down your neck at all time, with a rough, 130 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 1: rough history of what happens when they decide they're gonna 131 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: come take you. That's got to be an odd feeling, 132 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 1: doesn't it. You go to your border and some of 133 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 1: these nations you have troops on the border, not troops 134 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 1: guarding against illegal immigrants. Do you have people guarding against 135 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 1: a Russian invasion, a Chinese invasion? China and India they 136 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 1: have border scraps, But people are dying as we speak 137 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 1: all the time. They ate each other. It's a different 138 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 1: way of thinking. It's a different mentality. You and I 139 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 1: don't know that. And like I said, Lord willing. We 140 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 1: won't ever know that. We don't know that. But Numidia, 141 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 1: they're looking at Carthage two punic wars. Having to paid 142 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:38,199 Speaker 1: all this money back, the military is not really much 143 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 1: to speak of. They're not allowed to declare war on us. 144 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: They're really not allowed to fight back. What if What 145 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 1: if we poked them in the ribs a little bit, 146 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 1: got them really really mad and we declared war and 147 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 1: took over Carthage. Rome has already chopped Carthage down to nothing. 148 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: Now's the time. We're not under them anymore. Let's aggravate 149 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 1: them a bit and then go take him over. And 150 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 1: that's where so much of the money was in the 151 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: ancient world. Remember it wasn't in the war itself. War 152 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 1: is now and always was very expensive, but war got very, 153 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: very profitable back in the day. Why well, we'll talk 154 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 1: about that and slavery reparations passing. Oh oh boy, hang on, 155 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 1: missed out? Catch up Jesse Kelly Show dot com. You 156 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 1: start telling yourself some things whenever you're sitting by the 157 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: hospital bed of somebody you love with tubes coming out 158 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 1: of them. I have blood pressure problems in my family. 159 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 1: I have heart problems in my family. That's simply the 160 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:24,199 Speaker 1: Kelly tradition. 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Seventy bills 170 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: across twenty six states designed to protect female participants in 171 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:26,559 Speaker 1: sports watch, has the Great Oracle been telling you bucket 172 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:31,079 Speaker 1: eyes go somewhere where you and your family can be safe. 173 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:34,559 Speaker 1: It's the Jesse Kelly Show eight seven seven three seven 174 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:38,839 Speaker 1: seven four three seven three Jesse at Jesse Kelly Show 175 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 1: dot com. We have well, sports parents, gear up for 176 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 1: this one. I'm gonna try to get to this next hour. 177 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: Sports parents, we have to talk. We have to talk. 178 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: But back to our story ancient Rome, roughly the year 179 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 1: one BC. That's not right, just give you rough things, 180 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 1: because who really cares whether it's one hundred one twelve 181 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: ninety nine. It's old before Christ and old Numidia. They 182 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 1: want to be the ones to finish off a weakened 183 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: Carthage and not the Romans. Why remember this Rome? The 184 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:27,440 Speaker 1: ancient world in general viewed war differently than we view 185 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 1: it today. You can argue they viewed it in a 186 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 1: more evil way. You can argue they viewed it in 187 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: a more practical way. But war was generally only really 188 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: costly if you're either a lost or b we're fighting 189 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: somebody who basically had nothing, which you'd never do because 190 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 1: there's nothing to go to war over. War used to 191 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 1: come with spoils. We fight wars now for nothing, just 192 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 1: a gig gigantic money suck. It's what they are. What 193 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 1: on a macro level. Not to get too deep in 194 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: the weeds and distracted here, what are we hoping to 195 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: get out of Afghanistan? Whatever you think about that, I've 196 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 1: been very vocal about what I think. But what do 197 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: we get? And see? This is when the moral argument 198 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: comes into place. It's not about that, it's about so 199 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: kids can read and stuff like that. That's that's how 200 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 1: we think of war now war Back then, war for 201 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 1: most of human history came with spoils. When you won 202 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: your war, you took what you pleased. And back then 203 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 1: you wouldn't have just wanted the goods and services you 204 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 1: could you could take from Carthage if you took them over. 205 00:14:56,760 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 1: You wanted the slaves. Every Body became slaves most of 206 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 1: the time. The men had to die because they were 207 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: of fighting age, women and children slaves. Slavery, Remember, is 208 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 1: the history of the world. Contrary to what's your college 209 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 1: professor who hates American once it destroyed, told you it's 210 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 1: not some uniquely American invention. The history of the world. 211 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 1: Whatever your heritage is, somebody in your history has been 212 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 1: a slave, and somebody in your history probably owned them. 213 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 1: Don't have to love it. That's the history of the world. 214 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: And slaves were so absurdly profitable, absurdly profitable millionaire after 215 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 1: millionaire after millionaire, just in the slave trade in the 216 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 1: ancient world. Numidia starts poking Carthage in the ribs with 217 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 1: the hope of finishing them off. Carthage maybe a little 218 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 1: down on their luck, although still making a ton of money, 219 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 1: but they're still a proud people, and they decide they're 220 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 1: not going to take that anymore, and they declare war 221 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 1: on Numidia. Remember Carthage was not allowed to declare war 222 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: on Numidia. Rome was sitting there just waiting for an 223 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 1: excuse to come take Carthage. Boom, Carthage violates the agreement, 224 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 1: declares war on Numidia. Rome says, now it's on, We're 225 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 1: coming after you. We'll set that aside because it's not 226 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 1: about Carthage. Let's focus on Numidia. Because Carthage goes down, 227 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 1: Rome takes it, burns into the ground, salts the earth 228 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: behind it, the kind of thing we should do the 229 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 1: public school system. But that's another story entirely. Now we 230 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 1: have Numidia here. Numidia's little salty. They're they're real salty 231 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 1: about not getting to take down Carthage, and they have 232 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 1: their own internal struggles, mainly because of a man named Jagirtha. Yeah, 233 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 1: I know what a great name, Chris. Jagirtha was a warrior, 234 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 1: a Numidian warrior, and the Numidians were famously, very very 235 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: good in the fight, as we'll find out in a moment. 236 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: And he had as many people had back in the 237 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:13,880 Speaker 1: day served under Romans. Rome was always taking this unit 238 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:17,199 Speaker 1: from these people in this unit, from these people, and 239 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: they were really good about educating the people under them. 240 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 1: They had taught Jagertha how to fight. They had taught 241 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 1: Jagertha how they fought, and they were very impressed with Jagirtha. 242 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 1: Now Jagartha wasn't supposed to take over Numidia. He I'm 243 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:36,479 Speaker 1: not going to go into all the political entry behind it. 244 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 1: Let's just say some people were murdered and Jagartha just 245 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:42,399 Speaker 1: so happened to be the one who wasn't murdered and 246 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 1: ended up in the chair. It's weird how that happened. 247 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:50,119 Speaker 1: But Rome eventually spits Numidia in two. They give Jagartha 248 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:53,119 Speaker 1: half of it. They put their special guy on the 249 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 1: other half of it. Jagirtha says, no, no, no no, no, 250 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:57,439 Speaker 1: no no no, I want the whole thing for me. 251 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:02,199 Speaker 1: He invades. Now Rome was mad. Now you're trying to 252 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 1: bounce somebody out of the throne who we wanted there. 253 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 1: Rome declares war on top of this Jugurtha. When he 254 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:16,120 Speaker 1: unified New Medea the hard way, the Abraham Lincoln way, 255 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 1: up quick, Chris, we can make jokes. When he unified 256 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 1: them the hard way, he killed some Romans. You don't 257 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: kill Romans. You don't harm Romans. As we pointed out, Rome, 258 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:32,359 Speaker 1: to their credit, greatest empire in the history of the world. 259 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 1: For a reason, Rome was famously brutal on anyone who 260 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 1: harmed one of their citizens. You remember the book from 261 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:43,159 Speaker 1: the Bible, it's a New Testament. So Chris won't know this. 262 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 1: But when Paul is arrested and he's about to be flogged, 263 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 1: and he says, you're gonna do that to a Roman citizen, 264 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:55,399 Speaker 1: and they all start pooping their pants. Oh no, I 265 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:58,920 Speaker 1: didn't know you were Roman. Sorry. Sorry. There's a reason 266 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 1: Rome wanted. It's people to feel safe when they traveled. 267 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 1: If you want people to feel safe when they travel, 268 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 1: if you want them to feel like they're under the 269 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 1: protection of your nation when they travel, well, you can't 270 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 1: send a bodyguard with them at all times, but you 271 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 1: can make an example out of somebody. An example is 272 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 1: a powerful thing. Enough people had been made an example of. 273 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:31,400 Speaker 1: You don't hurt a Roman citizen. Jugurtha made that mistake, 274 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 1: kills a Roman. Now Roman legions are marching into Numidia. 275 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 1: But Numidia is rocky, it's desert, it's mountain, it's crappy terrain. 276 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: It's not great. I remember we're in northern Africa. We're 277 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: not in the lush, black soiled, beautiful Rome. We're it's 278 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:58,880 Speaker 1: rough and Rome. Because they're Rome and you're coming off 279 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 1: a few Punico wars and you're feeling like pretty much untouchable, 280 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,920 Speaker 1: getting a little bit cocky, and it's understandable they would 281 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:11,399 Speaker 1: feel untouchable. They just fought not one, not two, but 282 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 1: three heavyweight fights against the heavyweight champion of the world. 283 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 1: You would probably consider at that time Carthage and one 284 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:21,400 Speaker 1: them all and the last one by decisive knockout. If 285 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:24,159 Speaker 1: you're Rome, you're not going to get challenged by this 286 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 1: okay kind of strong but nothing near Carthage people and 287 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: think anything of it. They march in a Numidia and 288 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: promptly lose half their force. They get ambushed. They completely 289 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 1: underestimated the warrior like nature of the Numidian people and 290 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:46,440 Speaker 1: the force. Remember I said they lost half. They might 291 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 1: have been considered the lucky ones because the other half 292 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 1: had to do something the Romans called passing under the yoke. Essentially, 293 00:20:56,400 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 1: your army had to march underneath. I think about a 294 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: sign that said, you guys are a bunch of sissies. 295 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:05,400 Speaker 1: That's what they had. It was the It was the 296 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:08,679 Speaker 1: most dishonoring thing ever. If it happened to you as 297 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 1: a commander, you probably it was not uncommon for them 298 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:14,879 Speaker 1: to kill themselves. The troops who had to walk under it, 299 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 1: think how horrible this is, were oftentimes ostracized from society, 300 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:22,360 Speaker 1: simply not welcome back. It was a big deal. It's 301 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:28,880 Speaker 1: a big deal, but it's not quite over yet. These 302 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 1: are romans, after all. Hang on, Jake Smidt, choose will 303 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:54,679 Speaker 1: help you quit dipping tobacco. I am qualified to do 304 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 1: very few things in this life. When I tell you 305 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 1: something will help you quit dipping tobacco, go you can 306 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:05,119 Speaker 1: take that to the bank. Because however much you love dipping, 307 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:08,160 Speaker 1: or that relative or friend you're thinking about getting Jake's 308 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 1: mint Chew's for however much they love dipping, Trust me, 309 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 1: I loved it more. I didn't even want to quit. 310 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,400 Speaker 1: I just knew I needed to quit. 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If 320 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,160 Speaker 1: you don't want me to say world famous, then don't 321 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 1: give me the international podcast numbers. Now I'm gonna say 322 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 1: world famous. It could be only one listener in Antarctica, 323 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,880 Speaker 1: but now it's world famous in my mind. That's how 324 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 1: I look at things. The World Famous Jesse Kelly Show, 325 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 1: once it's done being nationally syndicated for the day, goes 326 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:39,359 Speaker 1: up podcasted on iHeart, Google, Spotify, on iTunes. Leave a 327 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: five star rating on iTunes and leave a review talking 328 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,399 Speaker 1: about how handsome I am. We have a bunch of 329 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 1: new reviews and man, these are so but look, Chris, 330 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 1: they're just so honest. What This one's titled Your Good 331 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 1: Looks are Blinding. You stimulate the mind with interesting history 332 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 1: segments and spot on policical political analysis. This one's title 333 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: love the Show You handsome muppet. I don't know what 334 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 1: muppet means, but that sounds nice. This one's title, This 335 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: man is Insane. Jesse Kelly is a dangerously insane human being. 336 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 1: He's constantly talking to the voice in his head that 337 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 1: he refers to as producer Chris. If it weren't for 338 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 1: his dashing good looks, this podcast would be a dumpster 339 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:33,920 Speaker 1: fire five stars. I love you guys, all right, but 340 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,360 Speaker 1: distracting me back to our story. Let's try to get 341 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 1: this thing wrapped up. Rome gets half it's forced wiped out, 342 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 1: the other half humiliated, passing under the yoke. Now this happened. 343 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 1: This happens a lot to Rome. In fact, it's happened 344 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 1: in great powers throughout history. You get awfully cocky because 345 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 1: you've won some wars and you're looking around at your 346 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,880 Speaker 1: Roman legions and the shiny armor and the long spears 347 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 1: and the shields and everyone. I mean, and they were 348 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 1: very good. The Roman legions were absurdly good. And you 349 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:16,160 Speaker 1: start saying to yourself, man, we know what we're doing here, 350 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 1: and this upstart ain't gonna get it done. But you 351 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:25,359 Speaker 1: get slapped around once or twice, and if it doesn't 352 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 1: cost you your existence as a nation. You wake back 353 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 1: up and realize, okay, we need to take things seriously 354 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:36,399 Speaker 1: like we did before we got rich. Rome now takes 355 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 1: things seriously. Rome now sends in a man who knows 356 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 1: how to win wars for Rome, a man who has 357 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 1: saved Rome before. His name is Gaius Marius. As I've 358 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 1: told you before, as much as I hate government schools, 359 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 1: I actually won't blame them for this. Your teacher doesn't 360 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,359 Speaker 1: have enough hours in the day to teach you all 361 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 1: these things. I knew a three hour radio show every day, 362 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: I'm never going to get to all the history stories 363 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 1: I love. Ever they keep me on the radio for 364 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:08,159 Speaker 1: ten years, twenty years, I'll never be able to get 365 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:12,200 Speaker 1: to all of them. But Gaius Marius should be a 366 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:16,159 Speaker 1: name everybody knows. Everybody knows the name of Julius Caesar. 367 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:20,879 Speaker 1: Everyone does. Guius Marius should be as popular as Julius Caesar. 368 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:25,200 Speaker 1: He was the seven time consul of Rome, general wiping 369 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:29,680 Speaker 1: out huge armies. Cool quote. Guius Marius was a juggernaut. 370 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 1: He just was never really an emperor, so he didn't 371 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:38,159 Speaker 1: get all the pub Guius Marius comes down and he 372 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,160 Speaker 1: decides Rome is going to conduct this war a little 373 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 1: differently they'd previously done the march your large army thing, 374 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:49,680 Speaker 1: go try to find a large Numidian army. The Numidians 375 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 1: won't ever fight until they're ready to fight, and this 376 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 1: was frustrating. Rome Marius goes down and he's fought these 377 00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 1: kind of wars before. He says, Oh, okay, go ahead 378 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 1: and retreat. I'll burn your entire country to the ground. 379 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 1: And now we're getting into really the lesson of our 380 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:15,879 Speaker 1: story for the day. I want to ask you something 381 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 1: because I want you to picture this. The Numidian army 382 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 1: under Jagurtha. They're avoiding Gaius Marius. They don't want to 383 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 1: take on this legion, and Guias Marius isn't like the 384 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,920 Speaker 1: last Guy's not going to get cocky and caught out 385 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:32,920 Speaker 1: a position. They're avoiding him. Gaius Marius has to win 386 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:39,439 Speaker 1: this war. Guias Marius starts burning every Numidian city he 387 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:44,200 Speaker 1: can find to the ground, killing or enslaving the entire population, 388 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 1: destroying every bit of their industry he can find. Not 389 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 1: even concerned about the army. I mean, he's trying to 390 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 1: watch for it, but not my problem. Go ahead, run 391 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 1: from me. You'll be an army over nothing but dust. 392 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:05,679 Speaker 1: By the time I'm done, let me ask you was 393 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 1: he morally right? Was Gaius Marius morally right? And you 394 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 1: have to look at this from two different ways. You 395 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 1: have to look at this from a macro level. Sure, 396 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 1: you gotta win the war, don't you. You gotta win 397 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 1: the war. You can't lose the war. Okay, Well, that 398 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 1: looks great from the macro level, And that's easy to say, 399 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:33,920 Speaker 1: considering this is over two thousand years ago. Now, put 400 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 1: yourself actually on the ground as the village burns and 401 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 1: the child dies, as mom and the daughters get chained 402 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 1: off into slavery horror somewhere. Now, was it morally right? 403 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 1: And you can't blame him for those individual things like 404 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 1: slavery and stuff like that. That was the custom of 405 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 1: the time. It's not like he was gonna be a 406 00:28:56,160 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 1: antislavery crusader. What is morally right when it comes to combat? 407 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 1: Combat is the history of the World war for a 408 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 1: country or against other countries. Individual battles, always has been, 409 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: always will be. What is morally right? Total war campaign 410 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 1: for Gaius Marius, total destruction. Jagirtha starts to lose the 411 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 1: few friends he has in the area because they're seeing 412 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 1: the writing on the wall. Now Rome has a real 413 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 1: man in charge of things. He is handling his business, 414 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 1: and Jagirtha has the bulk of his wealth, the bulk 415 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,959 Speaker 1: of his treasury. Remember, wars cost money, and when you're 416 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 1: Jagirtha and they're wiping out your economic base, your money's disappearing. 417 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 1: He keeps the bulk of his money in a mountaintop fort. 418 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,479 Speaker 1: I'm going to mispronounce it. You're welcome to email me 419 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 1: and correct me. But I went to community college. I'm 420 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 1: not going to feel bad about it. The mountaintop fort 421 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 1: was called Maluca m u Lucca. It could be Maluca, Malaucha, 422 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 1: it could be tom. I don't know. That's how I 423 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 1: pronounce it, the Maluca. There's a Maluca river there, and 424 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 1: this fort on top of this hill is called Fort Maluca, 425 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 1: at least in my mind. But the problem is Jugurtha 426 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 1: kept his money in Fort Maluca for a reason. You see, 427 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 1: it's virtually impossible to take it would be nature's perfect 428 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 1: place to build a fortress. And in the ancient world 429 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 1: they were not stupid. They looked for those types of places. 430 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 1: What do I mean by perfect place? To build a fortress, 431 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 1: well one. It's on top of basically a rock mountain. 432 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 1: There is one way up, not multiple ways. One way up. 433 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 1: You can't you can't defend it. You can't defend yourself 434 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 1: when you're coming up and there's freshwater inside the fort. 435 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 1: There was a mountain spring which gave them freshwater. Half 436 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 1: a siege is getting someone to starve or die a thirst. 437 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 1: Jagartha stocks his treasury in there, stocks food in there, 438 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 1: and you have virtually endless supplies of freshwater, and he 439 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 1: puts some crack troops in there. You're Guius Marius. You 440 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 1: want this place, you want it bad. You keep setting 441 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 1: up some of your normal siege equipment and trying to 442 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 1: get it up this one path to the fort, but 443 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 1: the fort keeps breaking up your stuff, setting your stuff 444 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 1: on fire. You can't get it there. You are at 445 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:54,080 Speaker 1: a complete loss. If you're Guius Marius, and this is 446 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,720 Speaker 1: Guius Marius, this is not his first battle. He's looking 447 00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 1: at this place and saying to himself, at this point, 448 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 1: I think we might have to move on. This place 449 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 1: is impregnable. I don't think this place can be taken 450 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 1: by any mortal human being. But then you wake up 451 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 1: one morning and something very interesting happens. If your guys, Marius, 452 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:46,360 Speaker 1: you will enjoy this. Hang on, Oh God, an not him, 453 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 1: only thide of me. Jesse Kelly. You're listening to the 454 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 1: Jesse Kelly Show. Hey Dad, your prescription will be ready 455 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:02,240 Speaker 1: in just a minute. Hey Dad, your laundry will be 456 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 1: ready in just a minute. Dad, you lunch will be 457 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,920 Speaker 1: ready in just a minute. Hey honey, why don't you 458 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 1: take a minute. 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We have well, the US Army halting gender 475 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,920 Speaker 1: neutral fitness tests because the women aren't doing is well. 476 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,800 Speaker 1: Remember you can find me on social media at Jesse 477 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 1: Kelly DC on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, and I'm on Locals. 478 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 1: Hian you follow me on anyone, I don't care, but 479 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,680 Speaker 1: I highly recommend on Locals because that's the one where 480 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,880 Speaker 1: I won't get banned. Every day now I'm getting messages 481 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,400 Speaker 1: from people I can't believe you're not banned yet. How 482 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,359 Speaker 1: are you not banned? You're gonna get banned for this one, Jesse. 483 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 1: You can't say that I am gonna get banned when 484 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,360 Speaker 1: I get banned from it. Locals is the place I 485 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,000 Speaker 1: won't get kicked off of. Why Well, I know the 486 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:07,480 Speaker 1: owner and the whole thing is founded on just don't 487 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,200 Speaker 1: break the log and post whatever you want here and 488 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:19,000 Speaker 1: I do. Let's finish this up. Guius Marius ish he's 489 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:23,839 Speaker 1: at the bottom of Fort Molucca or Rocky Fort, one 490 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,840 Speaker 1: way up. He's getting ready to give up the siege 491 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,240 Speaker 1: and just move on and go burn other stuff down, 492 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:33,759 Speaker 1: even though he really wants to Gartha's treasury inside. And 493 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:39,200 Speaker 1: one day a man goes out looking for some food. 494 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 1: One of the Romans goes out. They're at the base 495 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:48,719 Speaker 1: of this thing, and he's looking for snails, edible snails, 496 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 1: and he finds them, and finds these snails and he 497 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:58,799 Speaker 1: picks them up, and he looks up above him and oh, 498 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,440 Speaker 1: when there's some more snails there, and he climbs up 499 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 1: and grabs some more snails. Oh, wait, more snails above me. 500 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,360 Speaker 1: And he climbs up, and he climbs up, and he 501 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:15,120 Speaker 1: climbs up, and soon he finds himself at the base 502 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:20,160 Speaker 1: of the fort. And he sees a tree right by 503 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 1: the base of the fort, a climbable tree, and he 504 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:29,440 Speaker 1: climbs it too. The man, the Roman soldier, in disbelief, 505 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:34,360 Speaker 1: climbed the back cliff by accident and found himself in 506 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:39,520 Speaker 1: a tree that overlooked the walls of the city. Clearly 507 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:43,440 Speaker 1: smelling a promotion, he goes scrambling right back down the 508 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:47,359 Speaker 1: hill and makes a bee line for Guius Marius's tents 509 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:52,399 Speaker 1: and says, boss, I know you're not gonna believe this, 510 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:57,719 Speaker 1: but here's what I found. Marius licks his chops and 511 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:03,480 Speaker 1: comes up with a plan. And the plan went off perfectly. 512 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:08,400 Speaker 1: You see, Marius gathered up his troops, put them in formation, 513 00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,479 Speaker 1: put their shields above their heads. I'm sure you've seen 514 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,960 Speaker 1: this kind of marching in the movies or something like that, 515 00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:19,480 Speaker 1: and had them start marching up that one dangerous path 516 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:24,920 Speaker 1: towards the fort, knowing the Numidians would once again beat 517 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:30,279 Speaker 1: them back, charge out and get them. But Marius wasn't 518 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:34,560 Speaker 1: only sending the troops up the path. He picked four 519 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:41,160 Speaker 1: of his warriors and four of his trumpeteers. They say 520 00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:45,840 Speaker 1: he picked his most nimble trumpeteers to go back around 521 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:51,280 Speaker 1: to the snail cliff and climb their way up. Sneak 522 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:55,440 Speaker 1: up the cliff, sneak up the tree. All eight of 523 00:37:55,440 --> 00:38:00,759 Speaker 1: these guys sneak into the city and hide. Hide for what, 524 00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:05,600 Speaker 1: Hide for that moment when the Numidian army comes charging 525 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:09,280 Speaker 1: out of the fort, which they did, runs into the Romans, 526 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:13,600 Speaker 1: which they did, at which point the Roman trumpeteers that 527 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:17,160 Speaker 1: have stuck into the back of the fort start blasting 528 00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:24,600 Speaker 1: their trumpets. The Numidians, completely scared, confused, think a gigantic 529 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:28,720 Speaker 1: army got air dropped into their city. They turn around 530 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:32,880 Speaker 1: while they're engaged with the Romans charged back into the city. 531 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,200 Speaker 1: It's nobody there. It really sucks me. Actually don't know 532 00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:39,879 Speaker 1: what happened to the trumpeteers and the four warriors with them. 533 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,799 Speaker 1: I wonder if they died. I would assume they did die, 534 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,359 Speaker 1: because the Numidian Army would have went running right at 535 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:46,960 Speaker 1: them and there would have been no way out, no 536 00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:51,320 Speaker 1: easy way out of the fort. Nevertheless, the Romans hot 537 00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:55,879 Speaker 1: on the Numidian armies heels, charge into the city through 538 00:38:55,920 --> 00:39:00,560 Speaker 1: the now open gates because they were distracted, and take 539 00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:13,000 Speaker 1: it all. Thus ends the siege of Fort Miluca. Military 540 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:17,719 Speaker 1: stuff is funny stuff. Military stuff can be difficult to 541 00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:21,319 Speaker 1: talk about for a couple different reasons. One, I don't 542 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:27,200 Speaker 1: know what this is, but there's something in men, at 543 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,719 Speaker 1: least American men, the ones I've encountered who feel this 544 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:35,479 Speaker 1: obligation for military service. Not that everyone does it, but 545 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:37,880 Speaker 1: I can't count how many dudes I've talked to you 546 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:42,239 Speaker 1: who haven't done it, who expressed regret over it. You 547 00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,360 Speaker 1: asking about it. Oh, no, I meant to I should 548 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,800 Speaker 1: over something like that, which is weird to me. I didn't, 549 00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:49,840 Speaker 1: but I never viewed it as something every guy I 550 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,160 Speaker 1: used to do. But guys who don't do it feel 551 00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:56,760 Speaker 1: do you feel that Chris? You weren't in Chris, Chris 552 00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,360 Speaker 1: perfect example, tried they wouldn't take him. Just there's something 553 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:04,359 Speaker 1: about it so that that makes it unique. Another thing 554 00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:09,520 Speaker 1: that makes it unique is it's exclusivity. Why is it 555 00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:36,200 Speaker 1: so exclusive? Hang on, we'll talk about it. Wake up 556 00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:41,880 Speaker 1: and text, Text and eat, Text and catch the bus, 557 00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:47,640 Speaker 1: Text and miss your stop. Wait wait, Text and be 558 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:53,120 Speaker 1: late to work. Sorry late, Text and work, Text and 559 00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:57,560 Speaker 1: pretend to work. Text and a surprised when someone calls 560 00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,880 Speaker 1: you out for not working. Text and meet up with 561 00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:04,520 Speaker 1: a friend you haven't seen in forever. Oh, Text and 562 00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:08,200 Speaker 1: complain that they're on their phone the whole time. Text 563 00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,000 Speaker 1: and listen to them, complain that you're on your phone 564 00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:15,960 Speaker 1: the whole time. Text and whatever. But when you get 565 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,839 Speaker 1: behind the wheel, give your phone to a passenger, put 566 00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:23,160 Speaker 1: it in the glovebox. Just don't text and drive. Visit 567 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:27,399 Speaker 1: stop texts, stoprex dot org a public service announcement brought 568 00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,160 Speaker 1: to you by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration and 569 00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:55,560 Speaker 1: the ad Council. Exclusivity the military is exclusive, should be exclusive. 570 00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,600 Speaker 1: We wanted exclusive, right, But why is it exclusive? Because 571 00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:05,080 Speaker 1: it's about life or death? We all get exclusive about 572 00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,319 Speaker 1: the things that are about life or death, don't we 573 00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:12,160 Speaker 1: eight seven seven three seven seven four three seven three 574 00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:17,399 Speaker 1: Jesse at Jesse Kelly Show dot com. Remember, email your love, 575 00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:22,040 Speaker 1: your hate, your death threats, email your ask doctor Jesse 576 00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:27,319 Speaker 1: questions for Friday. I'm gonna start sprinkling those in. As 577 00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,120 Speaker 1: you've noticed more and more throughout the week, I'll start 578 00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:33,799 Speaker 1: trying to answer one or two throughout the week. All 579 00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,760 Speaker 1: your emails go right to Jewish producer Chris. He prints 580 00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:40,080 Speaker 1: them off. I read them. I'm not going to respond. 581 00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:42,680 Speaker 1: I get way too many. I don't have time. But 582 00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:46,359 Speaker 1: Jesse at Jesse Kelly Show dot com and you can 583 00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,120 Speaker 1: leave us a voicemail if you don't catch us live, 584 00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,880 Speaker 1: we play those two eight seven seven three seven seven 585 00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:55,600 Speaker 1: four three seven three Why is the military exclusive? Hang on? 586 00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:36,960 Speaker 1: Jesse Kelly returns next. Your holster is way more important 587 00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,960 Speaker 1: than you think it is. It's just way more important 588 00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,080 Speaker 1: than you think it is. What look and I get 589 00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:46,480 Speaker 1: that the holsters not the sexy part of carrying firearms? 590 00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:48,719 Speaker 1: All right? You want to talk about your weapon and 591 00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,160 Speaker 1: your ammunition. You want to talk about your safety training. 592 00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,279 Speaker 1: You want to talk about how you did at the range. Oh, 593 00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,759 Speaker 1: look at my groups. I was doing these failure drills today, 594 00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:57,440 Speaker 1: and all that stuff is really important. I mean really 595 00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,840 Speaker 1: really important. I'm not discounting that, but I've known so 596 00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:02,960 Speaker 1: many people who do all those things. They take all 597 00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:07,520 Speaker 1: the necessary steps, and then they carry with a holster 598 00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,080 Speaker 1: they bought from a big box hunting store that was 599 00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:13,600 Speaker 1: made a thousand at a time. Please don't put your 600 00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,760 Speaker 1: life in one of those holsters. You need to trust 601 00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:21,759 Speaker 1: Northwest Retention Systems because it's all custom made gear. It's 602 00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:26,680 Speaker 1: the only thing I carry around NW retention dot Com. 603 00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:30,520 Speaker 1: That's NW retention dot Com used to promo co Jesse 604 00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:32,200 Speaker 1: gets you ten percent off