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Speaker 1: you met my friend Wes. Welcome back to another edition

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Speaker 1: of the Around the NFL Podcast. My name is Dan

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Speaker 1: Hansis and I'm joined by Room Fillder Heroes, Mark Sessler,

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Speaker 1: Christopher Westling, Greg Rosa. What's up boys? Hey? Dan like

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Speaker 1: Unbelievable job and natural. For those who don't know Matt

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Speaker 1: my good friend Bob Castrone, who had his second child yesterday,

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Speaker 1: is the Around the NFL Podcast. For another show, a

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Speaker 1: big Tuesday show with a lot of big news going

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Speaker 1: on in the NFL. There's a lot going on, and uh,

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Speaker 1: the trade deadline, trades that happened, trades that almost happened,

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Speaker 1: get to all that in a moment, but also to

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Speaker 1: let you know what's coming up today, we're gonna Greg

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Speaker 1: you wrote you wrote a saucy piece on um. You know,

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Speaker 1: Alternative mid Season Awards, which you find an NFL doctor.

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Speaker 1: familiar with that? Well, I didn't have cable TV until

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Speaker 1: season awards. So each of us have nominated some teams

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Speaker 1: I'll also hit the tn F preview Cleveland at Cincinnati

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Speaker 1: and also the Monday night recap of coltson Panthers. Mark

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Speaker 1: with a thumbs down, just referencing his Cleveland Browns very upset. Well,

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Speaker 1: this isn't the time of year that you, if you're

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Speaker 1: It is a bit of a factory of sadness right now.

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Speaker 1: But before we get into that, uh, the Thursday and

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Speaker 1: kind of a cruel little bit on Sydney. Sydney loves

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Speaker 1: start with the biggest news um that came out on

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Speaker 1: on from head coach Ken wizzen Hunt. He was fired.

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Speaker 1: It just sent like a weird message, and also it

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Speaker 1: Don't you think our knowledge about who the best coach

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Speaker 1: I think the problem I think Ken Wizzon unfired himself

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Speaker 1: News one the that the around the NFL group had prognosticated, Yes,

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Speaker 1: rest and West you know you were part of that too,

425
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Speaker 1: and there was some consciences about how this, you know,

426
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Speaker 1: came up. I'm a consigliari to Dan on a day

427
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,080
Speaker 1: to day basis that part of my contract West, as

428
00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:06,880
Speaker 1: everyone should know, because I did post Well this kind

429
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:10,240
Speaker 1: of transcends. Um Milana Evine Troup now five and two

430
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,720
Speaker 1: and in first place in our fantasy league. But West

431
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,520
Speaker 1: is my day to day consigliari and to four percent

432
00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:19,160
Speaker 1: ownership of the fantasy team. But yes, I do lean

433
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Speaker 1: on West as a scientist that sits next to me.

434
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:25,000
Speaker 1: And yet you got all the public praise on Twitter,

435
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,919
Speaker 1: America was buzzing about how Hands just nailed it. But

436
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,720
Speaker 1: Dan went out of his way and he wrote a

437
00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:35,560
Speaker 1: series of tweets though, thanking West for act. I'm like

438
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,199
Speaker 1: a presidential speech writer. I feel yeah, I feel like

439
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,240
Speaker 1: it was one of those things where West is okay

440
00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:43,800
Speaker 1: with the hair. Yeah, the old regular Joe, you know,

441
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,080
Speaker 1: to come out like a genius every once in a while.

442
00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:50,960
Speaker 1: It is good. He got old Darlow Jeff Darlington tweeting congratulations,

443
00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:54,640
Speaker 1: slapping me on the back. And you know what, listen,

444
00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 1: well Darlow, it is a victory for around the NFL

445
00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 1: that we predicted this and uh well it please well,

446
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 1: I would just say about this trade that week eight

447
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 1: changed my opinion about the Broncos more than any team

448
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:12,160
Speaker 1: in the league. That Peyton Manning threw better. And people

449
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,040
Speaker 1: are going to chalk it up to getting accustomed to

450
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 1: Gary kubi X offense during the bye week. He physically

451
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 1: threw the ball way better than he had been all year.

452
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,159
Speaker 1: He didn't see six or seven ducks coming out of

453
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Speaker 1: his arm. C J. Anderson looked like end of two

454
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Speaker 1: thousand fourteen. C J. Anderson. This offense looks much better

455
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 1: you and Verdon. Verdon Davis, who has two of the

456
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 1: three fastest times by any tight end this year, I

457
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 1: think he can still play. The Broncos seemed like more

458
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 1: of a threat to the Patriots than the Bengals. To me.

459
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,399
Speaker 1: My question though, is why after Peyton Manning isn't just

460
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 1: learning how to play the position suddenly looked completely different.

461
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,160
Speaker 1: That's because you counted out the sheriff, and you never

462
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 1: count out the sheriff. I've been telling you, I don't

463
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,119
Speaker 1: like a flood of humble braggs. I don't buy that

464
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,199
Speaker 1: his comfortability with the offense. He just physically threw the

465
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 1: ball way better. That's the thing. I think he has

466
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 1: thrown the ball well three or four throws in these

467
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 1: other games. Yeah, around was throwing it for thirty or

468
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 1: thirty five throws. It's been mental decisions, and he was

469
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Speaker 1: better on that front on Sunday. Plenty to talk about

470
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 1: about Peyton Manning in the future, but we gotta keep moving.

471
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 1: It's a busy show. And by the way, in that

472
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 1: prediction post where Vernon Davis to Denver was predicted days

473
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 1: and days before it happened happened. Mark Sessler throughout a

474
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Speaker 1: little Joe Thomas trade. I don't know it was it

475
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Speaker 1: to Denver. Well, no, you know, in fact, on the

476
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Speaker 1: top of heaping the glory onto yourself, you're incorrectly suggesting

477
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Speaker 1: what I did because I got it wrong. I suggested

478
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:44,400
Speaker 1: Alex mac would be traded. Alex did come up though. Yeah. Whatever,

479
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 1: So Joe Thomas to the Broncos, a trade that percolated

480
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:52,680
Speaker 1: on Twitter minutes before the four pm Eastern deadline on Tuesday,

481
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 1: that a deal would get done, But apparently John Elways

482
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 1: said no, the Browns wanted a first round pick and

483
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,639
Speaker 1: a second round pick. We're hearing um to get the

484
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,199
Speaker 1: left tackle that has been really the cornerstone of a

485
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 1: bed uh Brown's franchise for several years now. Uh maybe

486
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 1: get him to a contender in his early thirties. But

487
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 1: the deal didn't come through, not because they ran out

488
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 1: of time or anything like that, just because the Browns

489
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 1: wanted too much. And John Elway, to his credit mark

490
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 1: said well, I'm not gonna give up the farm. Well,

491
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 1: and I think that l Way. And what's happening in

492
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:30,159
Speaker 1: Denver swinging for the fences with an already you know,

493
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 1: completely strong built team is the opposite of what's happening

494
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 1: in Cleveland, where essentially, two seasons ago, you traded away

495
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 1: Trent Richardson, one of your few at the time pieces

496
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 1: with trade value, to get into number one picks. They

497
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 1: talked about it to go get your quarterback, but you

498
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 1: swung and completely missed on getting that quarterback. Two years

499
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:51,679
Speaker 1: in a row you had to number one picks. You

500
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,639
Speaker 1: have no quarterback still, and you're stuck trying to trade

501
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 1: what is one of the few good guys in the

502
00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 1: organization for more recrude picks. What Cleveland's planned could not

503
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,639
Speaker 1: be more hazy and convoluted to this point. To me,

504
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,879
Speaker 1: I have no idea what they're doing. Pennon said it best.

505
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 1: All this nonsense that went on this week, it's like

506
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 1: throwing a grenade in the locker room. Right. It's a

507
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 1: no win situation because now the guy that everyone looks to,

508
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 1: that is the spokesman of that team, that that all

509
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 1: the reporters and the teammates go to, who ends up

510
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 1: saying the right things about the Browns, was just dangled.

511
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,439
Speaker 1: But now he's still stuck there. He apparently he wanted

512
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 1: to stay there. I don't think he's disappointed by that,

513
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 1: but you just know the organization wanted to get rid

514
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 1: of what's the one good thing. It never really made

515
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 1: sense to me, why is Joe Thomas not worth that pick?

516
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 1: I would rather have Joe Thomas for the next three

517
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 1: or four years than those picks. The Broncos are gonna

518
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 1: win what eleven between eleven and fourteen games this year,

519
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 1: So what do you get overall pick? It's not even

520
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 1: a great value. It wouldn't have been that history. I

521
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 1: wouldn't have blamed the Broncos for giving up a first

522
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 1: in a second with a fourth coming back. I don't

523
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 1: think it's that crazy. If he's if you you have

524
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 1: him under contract for pretty low money for the next

525
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: three years, you have Ryan Harris as your third string

526
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 1: left tackle in a win now season, you have Michael Scofield.

527
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,679
Speaker 1: I believe it is a right tax. They're gonna have.

528
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 1: Their tackles could have trouble. Maybe that big performance Sunday

529
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,160
Speaker 1: save those guys job. Just one more thing. It wasn't

530
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 1: just that the Browns were asking for too much. Joe

531
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 1: Thomas also asking for too much. Rap Sheet reported while

532
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 1: we were on the air that I'll hold up on

533
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 1: converting remaining salary for two thousand, sixteen and seventeen into

534
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 1: guarantees for Joe Thomas. Why would Joe Thomas not want

535
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 1: to do this other than the fact that Claydie is

536
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,640
Speaker 1: under contract in Denver two and maybe it would lead

537
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: to more just change for him. Maybe he's like into

538
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,159
Speaker 1: supernatural things and he likes that his practice facility is

539
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 1: built upon an Indian burial ground. Well, listen, anything's possible.

540
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 1: At this point, Dan, let's move on. The Dallas Cowboys

541
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 1: no longer employed. Joseph Randall, the running back, was released

542
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,160
Speaker 1: on Tuesday, UM, ending kind of like a world wind,

543
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: a whirlwind of news and info about Randall. Some strange

544
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 1: of course, he had was deemed to have violated the

545
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 1: NFL's personal conduct policy recently, dating back to a recent

546
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 1: arresting Wichita. He also there was an issue with a

547
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,199
Speaker 1: girlfriend in which the police he called the police. He

548
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 1: was arrested for shoplifting back in October of two thousand

549
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 1: and fourteen. This is a guy that has flashed real talent.

550
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 1: I remember there was a game earlier season where he

551
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: had like a hundred yards and a half. But ultimately

552
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 1: all these things I guess added up. West and the

553
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: decision was made. Joseph Randal does not belong in our backfield.

554
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 1: I think this one's simple. He's not good enough to

555
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 1: act to fool. You could act to fool in Dallas

556
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 1: if you're really good. Joseph Randall was outplayed by the

557
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 1: guy who was backing him up, thoroughly outplayed. Over the

558
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: last week, Darren mcfadd and touched the ball fifty seven

559
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 1: times for two or and seventy five yards, which Joseph

560
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: Randall would need five weeks to do. He's just not

561
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: that good. They They have received almost the same exact

562
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 1: amount of carries this season. One is averaging four point

563
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 1: one yards per carry Randall one's average Jean four point

564
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: oh Randle ever touched the ball more than fifteen times

565
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 1: in the game, because that's a talent to that that is,

566
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 1: it wasn't about talent. They obviously need running backs and

567
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 1: they'd be happy to keep Joseph Randall some of the

568
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 1: stories that have coming up about him. By the way,

569
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: he did touch the ball more than fifteen times in

570
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: every game this season except for one, So that was

571
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,719
Speaker 1: a bad little sat between fifteen. Let me know when

572
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: he's carrying at fifty seven times. Also diremony fat not

573
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 1: exactly a workhorse. Over now, I arguing, here's heat because

574
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 1: you know we had a Randall versus McFadden. Uh, I've

575
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: got something. Oh. From May fifteen email from Chris Westling

576
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 1: to Greg Rosenthal and Connor or one high octane sandwiches

577
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 1: on the following most yards from scrimmage this season by

578
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 1: a Cowboys running back. Greg has some scrubscap back named

579
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 1: Joseph Randall. West and Connor have Darren mcfa's return to

580
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 1: glory scoreboard McFadden five hundred six yards from scrimmage Joseph

581
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 1: Randall four from script. Yeah, you got me. I want

582
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: to stay out. I'm gonna stay out of this mostly,

583
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 1: but I will just mention that West has another sandwich

584
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 1: prop based around Christine Kristin Michael leading the Cowboys and rushing,

585
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 1: so there are no winners with the Cowboys back. There's

586
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 1: another email from this one from Greg Rosenthal that says,

587
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: I take Randall in to breakfast burritos. You take McFadden

588
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 1: and a torn a c l Thanks. The function of

589
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 1: the show is simply going around from one person to

590
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 1: the next and slapping ourselves on the back and just

591
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 1: sticking it to each other sateline grievances Randall some of

592
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 1: the stories about him leaving the facility, and obviously at

593
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 1: the incident. I believe it was at kmart last year. No,

594
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 1: I believe it was Dillard's. Sorry, uh not West. Just

595
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: so you know, right after this podcast, Greg is going

596
00:30:54,440 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 1: to corner you and say the following, that's that's funny.

597
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: I don't doesn't strike me as somebody with that thin

598
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: as skin. It's been a nice little three year run

599
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: for West. But it's back to Tybee Island. Have a

600
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 1: nice day one more time. We held that against my favorite. Yeah,

601
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 1: you know what, he could tell me that as long

602
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: as it's a note on top of the sandwich, anything

603
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 1: to say he got he got me this time. And

604
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: I'm just glad it was. You know, it wasn't football related.

605
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: It was just season knuckle ahead and finally real quick here.

606
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: Keenan Allen, who was off to a historic start in

607
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: terms of receptions, was Philip Rivers number one target uh

608
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: this season, was having a great third season. He underwent

609
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: a procedure on Monday to repair a lacerated kidney um,

610
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: a surgery that ends this season. He was moved to

611
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: injured reserve later on Tuesday. I should say, so, Keenan Allen, Uh,

612
00:31:54,760 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 1: reminding us that football is no joke. Keenan Allen, you know,

613
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 1: right there with Philip Rivers is the best players in

614
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: the Chargers offense this year and the around the NFL

615
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: mid season All Pro team coming out on Wednesday, He's

616
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 1: gonna be an honorable mention at which to give. I

617
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,959
Speaker 1: think he had a chance to be first team. Now.

618
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 1: I'm not putting him over Julio Jones and either Steve

619
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 1: Smith or Antonio Brown pro I would I would consider

620
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: him over uh, either one of those guys. Third most

621
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: amount of receptions in NFL history through eight weeks, and

622
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: I know you could say he's not going down the

623
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 1: field that much, but these aren't cheap receptions. I mean,

624
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: he's catching very difficult passes. I would put DeAndre Hopkins

625
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: over him too. M leading the NFL and receiving Alright, scientists,

626
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: with a lot of time to get lawyer and mallets,

627
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: you guys should take it offline and just do just

628
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: a head to head sitting at a local diner in

629
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 1: l A. The end of this poor guy season, one

630
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 1: of the best players in the league this year. Smith,

631
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 1: poor guy's career. And if you ask Uh, if you

632
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 1: ask Hustler, it's like, up, just another millionaire to me, Yeah,

633
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: that's accurate, that's true. He's like, well, it makes the money.

634
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: He doesn't experience real pain or suffering. And that's what's

635
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: happening that takes us to Funday night football. And it

636
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 1: was a game that led to the end of Pep

637
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Speaker 1: Hamilton's Unfortunately, Graham Graham Canoe hit a fifty two yard

638
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: field goal in overtime, lifting the Panthers UH to win

639
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: over the Colts in Charlotte. It kept Carolina as the

640
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 1: NFC's only unbeaten team. And this was a game the

641
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: Colts were down seventeen points if the seven and a

642
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 1: half minutes ago luck with that up tempo offense that

643
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: we were referencing earlier led the team back to a tie.

644
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 1: All took the lead on a Vinitary field goal overtime,

645
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 1: but the defense could not get a stop. In the end,

646
00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 1: the Panthers finished the job and pet Hamilton has finished West.

647
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 1: You wrote up the what we learned piece? What was

648
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: your big takeaway from this game? Though I don't think

649
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,439
Speaker 1: there was like one big takeaway other than Andrew Luck

650
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 1: is no longer fun to watch that it was. It

651
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: was an entertaining game, but I felt more sorry for

652
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 1: Luck than being amazed that he brought them back. I

653
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: think that was my biggest takeaway, just how broken the

654
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 1: cools are. He he looked lost. He looked lost, just

655
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: as lost really the week before against the Saints, and

656
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 1: just it's hard. You're right at first, it was interesting

657
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: because we're so used to these quarterbacks they've spoiled us,

658
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 1: like Peyton Manning and you know other guys Aaron Rodgers

659
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 1: that we considered for m d P. A lot of

660
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 1: us thought Andrew Luck might win an m v P

661
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 1: this year that we just don't even think it's possible

662
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: that a quarterback could suddenly go from one of the

663
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: best to one of the worst. There's no doubt he's

664
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 1: one of the worst this year. There was a moment

665
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: after how many picks did you throw in this game?

666
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: It felt like if you threw a couple, but it

667
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 1: felt like you could have thrown X and I would

668
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: say it was in the four Early in the fourth quarter,

669
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: he threw a terrible misguided pass Chase Down, ended up

670
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,320
Speaker 1: on his stomach, on the turf and he just stayed

671
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: down on the turf and they had the camera on

672
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 1: him and like hit the turf ones and a teammate

673
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 1: was standing over him, like waiting to help him up,

674
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 1: and it was like Luck didn't even want to like

675
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 1: show his face because he I think this is a

676
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: stunning to him as it is to the rest of us,

677
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 1: that he can't believe he's making these mistakes because they

678
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: aren't just physical mistakes. They're throwing into coverage, throwing off

679
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 1: his back foot, mistakes that you expect him to make

680
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: in two thousand twelve, but not in two thousand fifty.

681
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 1: I've asked myself all along, as are we gonna find

682
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 1: out down the road that he's dealing with a laundry

683
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 1: list of injuries that's changed him up physically. But honestly,

684
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 1: the week before he threw an interception that was the

685
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 1: most un Andrew Luck type pick that I've ever seen

686
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 1: from him, where he just basically pulled a Brandon Weed

687
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:56,359
Speaker 1: and staring down coverage, terrible pass picked off, and it's

688
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: We're seeing the stuff game after game, and it is

689
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 1: the most miss to find quarterback development this season, hands

690
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,760
Speaker 1: down easy. What's in his head. I think at this point,

691
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: I mean, but how do you get there? Because this

692
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: is one of the more mentally tough Think of how

693
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 1: many times he's been hit every season he's been in

694
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: the league. It's not like now he's suddenly getting to

695
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 1: be fair. After that moment, after that interception, that was

696
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: the exact sequence, he goes on the sideline. He refuses

697
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 1: to talk to his coaches or really any teammates. He

698
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: stands by himself, and oh, by the way, it leads

699
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 1: him to seventeen points the next three drives in West

700
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 1: and they get into overtime and they take a lead

701
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,879
Speaker 1: in overtime. If Chuck Bagano, who's a defensive coach, could

702
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 1: just get a stop on defense, there's no role. You

703
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 1: can't get a stop on defense. Pet Hamilton's still probably

704
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 1: has a job right now. Yeah. Stop. I find it

705
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,280
Speaker 1: hard to believe there's not an injury involved, a serious

706
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 1: injury that is affecting him mentally, because we've seen this before.

707
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 1: It really reminds me of Carson Palmer the end of

708
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 1: his Bengal's career when he had an elbow injury and

709
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 1: it changed him mentally, It made him more hesitant, and

710
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 1: it made him a guy who couldn't move the offense

711
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: until garbage time, which is what Andrew luck has been

712
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 1: this year. But it was when it's ten points. We

713
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,760
Speaker 1: talked it was seventeen points and the Panthers started backing

714
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 1: off in coverage. But it was ten points with five

715
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 1: and a half minutes left at that point at the

716
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 1: ball game, and I heard, you know, they backed off

717
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 1: in coverage a little bit. I went back to rewatch

718
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: it a little. He still made some nice places where

719
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: he evaded the passage. I think the biggest problem in

720
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,800
Speaker 1: Grood and hammered it was the Panthers had no juice

721
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: left at the end of the game for rushing the

722
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 1: pastor he had all data throw in, which which again

723
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: that's why he's able to suddenly start moving the ball.

724
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 1: And is as good as it was that he led

725
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: them to the tie and to the lead prior to

726
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 1: that go ahead field goaling overtime, he missed a wide

727
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: open Andre Johnson that if he hits Andre Johnson and

728
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: stride he probably scores in the game is over. And

729
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: then on the other side of the uh field, Ted Gain,

730
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: can you catch a ball? I just agree with the

731
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 1: West though it's it's that it doesn't seem like someone

732
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: who trusts his body right now, something is going to

733
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: trust his body, his offensive line or his wide received

734
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: vers who his receivers as good as we thought they

735
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 1: would be entering the season, don't separate from press coverage.

736
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,320
Speaker 1: And yet and over time you couldn't help. But notice

737
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: that's when Kim Newton put together his best moments of

738
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 1: the game. Three of the best on target throws you

739
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 1: could possibly want when you're down three in overtime. Not

740
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:20,839
Speaker 1: not easy throw, it's really four in a row if

741
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 1: you include the gain drop. He was sensational. He's the

742
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 1: best short yardage option in the entire league because of

743
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: his running, and that gets overlooked. I mean, that's just

744
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: part of his game that that is a huge, huge

745
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 1: value add compared to some quarterbacks like you know, Palmer

746
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 1: and Brady for instance, they don't have that Kirk Coleman

747
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,280
Speaker 1: game of his career, game of his life played awesome.

748
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:46,280
Speaker 1: And if you are pick bringing out your mid season

749
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 1: defensive player of the years and you've got to keep

750
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: to Leave or Charles Woodson, you're watching the highlights, not

751
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 1: the games. If you're taking those guys over Josh Norman.

752
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 1: Josh Norman has been way better than those two guys

753
00:38:56,520 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 1: this year. Very good Stewart. I think Stu we ran

754
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 1: with power last night. Even if he's not getting the

755
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 1: big numbers he he has, He's ran hard all year.

756
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 1: It's been fun to watch. They know, and I think

757
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: identity sometimes it just gets thrown around. This team needs

758
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 1: an identity. There is something to the fact that the

759
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 1: Panthers they know exactly who they are. They play the

760
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 1: same way every week and it's working all right. So

761
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 1: that is Monday night football, and gentlemen, I uh, you know,

762
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get to Thursday night football in a second.

763
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: But before we do that, you mentioned mid season awards

764
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: and Josh Norman deserves it more than old man Woodson

765
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 1: got five picks. That's nice. What are you watching, people,

766
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: they're watching the highlights. We're now going to hand out

767
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: some awards that aren't. These are not awards that were

768
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: given you know, willy nilly, or from a distance or

769
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 1: based on you know, watching some highlights. It's based on

770
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: being in the mix. That's what we do around here,

771
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,959
Speaker 1: isn't it. Greg Trying to give it a little grabby toss.

772
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 1: These awards could not be more important, serious or me

773
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 1: needful to the players that received them. If you're listening

774
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 1: Dick Sporting Goods, this is the hammer drop. So let's

775
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,399
Speaker 1: go through it where I think we each drop three

776
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: or four awards that we're handing out the mid season

777
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:16,839
Speaker 1: awards for the NFL, and I think, um, Mark, you

778
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 1: are up first. You were the first presenter of a

779
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 1: mid season award. That's big in the awards, so they

780
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: always go with a big name right off the top there.

781
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 1: That makes sense. Advertisers love it too. The award is

782
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 1: the player I would not let near my children, all right?

783
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 1: So the award do you have? Nominees are just a

784
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 1: straight win. There was a clear winner, okay. So the

785
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 1: award for the player that you would not let let

786
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 1: near your children go through? If he grows to Griff Whalen. Wow, Wow,

787
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: kymen upset not in my gotta unpack this one, buddy, Well,

788
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: I think you know talking with Connor both in London

789
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 1: and hearing him on the show discuss the arc of

790
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 1: Griff Whalen both in virtual reality and in in real time,

791
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: this is someone who is too focused on themselves in

792
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 1: their own fame. They've taken a little bit of a

793
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: villain turn in my book. I just don't trust big

794
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 1: catch on Monday Night football, Griff Whalen in a big spot,

795
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:19,720
Speaker 1: not concerned about that. Wouldn't let him near my family.

796
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: So it's a personal thing. Sure, an interesting first award

797
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 1: to get the mid season awards going. We now go

798
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 1: to Chris Westling with the second award of the night.

799
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: All right, the next award is the Lovey Smith Memorial

800
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:36,839
Speaker 1: Quarterback Bunkling Award. Who does not handle a quarterback room

801
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 1: Bell O'Brien Houston, Texas big win. They're in first place,

802
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 1: tied with the Colt Snake right now. They'd be in

803
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 1: first place alone if he would have just let Brian

804
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: Hoyer keep playing after Week one and after he told

805
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: the whole country, Hey, I've got two of the best

806
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 1: quarterbacks in the history of the gridiron right here in

807
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 1: my locker room exactly say that. But you're right, I mean,

808
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,360
Speaker 1: he earned this award. I don't think there was anybody

809
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: else you could you could even consider, unless Jim Tomsula

810
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 1: is a late entry to the mix. But I think

811
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 1: Bill just his over confidence and over it's been so

812
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 1: bad that we're gonna rename it the bill O'Brien, all right,

813
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 1: let's keep things moving. This award um is the primate

814
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 1: in Clear and Present Danger Award the first time a

815
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 1: war presented to the creature facing the life or depth

816
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 1: domestic crisis. Dallas Bryan. That's Des Brian's pet monkey and

817
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,839
Speaker 1: a lot of danger this monkey. I don't know if

818
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:38,280
Speaker 1: you guys are following the news, but the Peter greg

819
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 1: is at all over this. They say, Dez, you got

820
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 1: this monkey post a picture on Instagram? Bad news, that

821
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,720
Speaker 1: things should be in a sanctuary, that danger, that monkey

822
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: could die. I look, I don't. I don't agree with Peter,

823
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 1: you know, on every subject, but I don't. I'm not

824
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: sure Dez Branch should have a wild animal as a pet.

825
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 1: That's fair, tell me before the show in quotes, I

826
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 1: don't care about animals. I have never said I love

827
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: to eat animals. That's where we differ. I would not

828
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 1: eat a monkey, um, But if it was socially acceptable,

829
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 1: and I had been raised in a country where that was,

830
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: I probably would just be wire. A monkey and donkey

831
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 1: pronounced different shouldn't have been done, by the way, how

832
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: come it was okay when Ross Geller and friends had Marcel,

833
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 1: that's stupid monkey. And now Des gets when you know,

834
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 1: Des always under the spotlight for the wrong reasons. And

835
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 1: it's not fair, Greg Europe. My award is an award

836
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 1: for the most embarrassing division. And you would think the

837
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 1: a f C South they're a strong candidate four and

838
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 1: seventeen out of the division, but they are not the winner.

839
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: It's the Wow that is an upset, the first big

840
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 1: upset of the awards show tell us why because we

841
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:50,479
Speaker 1: are subjected to watching the NFC East week after week.

842
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: The an f C South has no delusions of grandeur.

843
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 1: Their humble, they're firing their coaches. They've got, you know,

844
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: Blake Bortles is interesting. At least the Colts give us

845
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 1: something to talk about. The NFC East. They think they're good,

846
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 1: they think they're important, they get big ratings and they're

847
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:10,760
Speaker 1: a bunch of vanilla. They have a trans am alright,

848
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 1: very good? Uh Now back to Mark, Mark, you well

849
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 1: went a little esoteric with your last award. Will this

850
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 1: one be more for the people? I don't know. Well,

851
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 1: let's see. Okay, here we go. Most likely to become

852
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 1: a middle manager at a Florida based data entry firm

853
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:32,800
Speaker 1: joe Philbin. Wow, I think that was literally an award

854
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,720
Speaker 1: at a previous award show. It was a different company.

855
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 1: Not true. So Joey Fibbs, who is out of work

856
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 1: unfortunately right now you're saying the next job he gets

857
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: won't be in professional football. But for no I think

858
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 1: that he you know, let's put some let's put him

859
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: back in his comfort zone. Meetings, cups of coffee, not

860
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 1: a lot of stakes. It's a data entry ever done

861
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 1: data entry? I know what the job is. Not a

862
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:59,399
Speaker 1: hard job, Okay, very fair, and it's hard to argue

863
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 1: anyone else could win that award. West next award is

864
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: the Ostrich Award. This award is handing out to the

865
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:09,839
Speaker 1: people or person with a tendency to bury their head

866
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 1: in the sand rather than face real trouble and man

867
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 1: up to it. The competition committee, oh for having the

868
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 1: worst rule in sports. Nobody knows what a catches every

869
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: single year, and every year they make the language worse,

870
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 1: so the most basic active football. Nobody has any idea

871
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: if it's if it's a good catch or not. Fun fact.

872
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 1: Ostrich Award to the worst people in the NFL. The

873
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: couple alright, alright, the fun thing about West. Very rarely

874
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:41,240
Speaker 1: does West raise his voice. It means he truly believes

875
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: in something. And yes, West is fired up as we

876
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: all are about the catch of the catch rule, which

877
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 1: is nonsense. You ever had a beer with Wes voice

878
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 1: goes up? Well, that's different voice. Rich McKay and Jeff Fisher.

879
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:54,839
Speaker 1: I know they're big fans of the podcast. Uh, they

880
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 1: listened to it together often, even though they live in

881
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 1: other cities. They just put it on, put it over

882
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: the phone. It's gotta be to have to hear that

883
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,240
Speaker 1: when drowned out by the fake noise in the stadium.

884
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 1: I'm familiar with their history. I wouldn't expect any action

885
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 1: or proact. All right. This next award is the NFL's

886
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: Forgotten Man, presented to the former prominent player who fell

887
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: off the grid. The nominees Torry Smith, Robert Griffin the Third,

888
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 1: The Loading Nada and Dwayne Bow and your winner, Robert

889
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 1: Griffin the Third. He really he earned this guy's This

890
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: was a transcendent. Uh. Everyone who's ready put him in

891
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 1: Canton after two thousand twelve. Yes, the last two seasons

892
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: after that were disappointing to say the least, But for

893
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: him now to not even really be in the NFL anymore.

894
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,839
Speaker 1: And uh, I saw a report on Tuesday that he there.

895
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,240
Speaker 1: You know, they were sending out trade fielders the Redskins

896
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 1: all season have not even gotten a lick of interest.

897
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 1: That just tells you how incredible his fall off has been.

898
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 1: He's off the grid, He's the NFL has forgotten man

899
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 1: at the mid season point. Is it's an honor? I

900
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 1: mean he deserved. You put that right next to his Higman,

901
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 1: the only person that's seen him as Connor or at

902
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 1: Kedoba think about it. Yeah, that's true. You've got the

903
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:13,320
Speaker 1: two thousand uh twelve or two thousand eleven Heisman Trophy,

904
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:15,879
Speaker 1: you got the two thousand twelve Offensive Rookie of the Year,

905
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,800
Speaker 1: and now the two thousand fifteen forgotten. This is special.

906
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,439
Speaker 1: I mean this gets the mind the mantel piece. Go ahead,

907
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 1: all right, My my award is gonna be called the

908
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:30,399
Speaker 1: most Surprising Statistics Award. And this is possible two time

909
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 1: winners because this award goes to Brian Hoyer. Wow, Brian

910
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: Hoyer somehow made it into our award. So did you

911
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,919
Speaker 1: know that Brian Hoyer has missed three games and yet

912
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 1: he is among the top ten quarterbacks in passing, touchdowns,

913
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 1: in yards per pass, in yards per completion, thirteen touchdowns,

914
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,240
Speaker 1: and three picks. If you took a look at Brian

915
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 1: Hoyer's stats, you would think he is having a Pro

916
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: Bowl type of season. And yet he was benched after

917
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 1: three quarters. For a man who can't show up on time,

918
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 1: it is no longer even on the team. I will

919
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 1: never question the academy, but I will say of those

920
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 1: stats were recrued after his team was down forty one

921
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 1: nothing and after junk time. Is a glorious things stats.

922
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:19,720
Speaker 1: All right, we'll go around one more time. Maybe Mark

923
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 1: Sessler keep going. Okay, outrageous Humble Bragg Award of the

924
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 1: two thousand and fifteen Mid Season goes to Philip Rivers. Explain,

925
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 1: all right, we get it, your potent. Okay, eight it

926
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 1: were enough? Well, what was the humble bragg? It's a

927
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: it's a silent humble brag. Hey, look at me, just

928
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: had an eighth child. I can keep turning these things

929
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 1: out like it's a machine factor. And I've said on

930
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 1: this podcast, I'm very happy for uh, Philip and Tiffany

931
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:57,720
Speaker 1: that's my name, and all the children. And the latest

932
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:00,040
Speaker 1: thought sound happy. But I think it's a humble brag. O.

933
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:01,800
Speaker 1: There's It's not that I'm not happy for him, but

934
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 1: it's a total humble Is anyone else aware of the

935
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 1: population problem in the world. I had much rather, Philip

936
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 1: Rivers says, fifteen or twenty kids with the means and

937
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 1: the morality to raise him correctly, than him one horrible

938
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 1: person raising one kid. How about three kids, it's still

939
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 1: a humble break. How about three? How about four? How

940
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 1: about you don't police uh a woman's body? Thank you, Greg?

941
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 1: Some of them? Well, we went from the Ostrich Award

942
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 1: now to the Goat Reward, named in honor of Jerry Rice,

943
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:37,479
Speaker 1: greatest all time receiver. We're going goat quarterback at tight

944
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:40,839
Speaker 1: end New England Patriots Tom Brady and Rob Gronkowski. I'm

945
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 1: ready to give it to him already, Grunk already to me,

946
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 1: has a better career than Tony Gonzalez. His peak is

947
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 1: that impressive. Tom Brady for the extent to which he

948
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:54,359
Speaker 1: has carried his peak on for his entire career, and

949
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 1: more highs, he has overtaken Johnny Unitus. In my mind,

950
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 1: that's quite a mid He's an award that really, it's

951
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: really gonna be hard to top that. That should that

952
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:05,959
Speaker 1: should have been the last one. But because that's big

953
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 1: coming from West Gronk, I like it. That is that's true,

954
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:11,840
Speaker 1: and it just sent me into a panic about whoever

955
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 1: has the last award, it better be a good one.

956
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 1: Here is the next award and uh uh, as we

957
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:19,879
Speaker 1: know said this one is there's a little more work

958
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 1: behind the glass for this one. This is the Best

959
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 1: Commercial Award presented to the best advertisement with heavy airplay

960
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 1: during the NFL season in the first half. The first

961
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 1: nominee Troy Aikman Miller Lite unbelievable, unbelievable, I dwell in

962
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 1: the past, very good, all right. Next up Matthew McConaughey,

963
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:55,840
Speaker 1: Lincoln Motor Company, Bull What was that? Matthew, what's the

964
00:50:55,880 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 1: what's the bull's name from? Uh? Uh So those are

965
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 1: both good nominees, but the winner of the best Commercial

966
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 1: in the first half of the season goes I bet

967
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:12,320
Speaker 1: if they just had the chance, some of those backups

968
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 1: would really Luke McCown Verizon, and Luke really deserved it,

969
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 1: and I think he ran away with this thing. Uh

970
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 1: with his ability to deliver deadpan humor and a really

971
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 1: solid line reading and a very successful campaign. As we

972
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:30,760
Speaker 1: talked about, he came in, got the chance to succeed

973
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 1: as a backup when drew He's got hurt and got

974
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 1: the job done, showing us once and for all that

975
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 1: Verizon's backup generators could be counted on in a pinch. Greg,

976
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 1: Why would I have anything to say about this? I

977
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 1: don't know what to say about Verizon. This is this

978
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 1: is confusing, very special. That's your turn. Oh it's my

979
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 1: turn for another award? But idun alright. Finally, the worst

980
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 1: narrative of an award in the league. Many options, Cam

981
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 1: Newton for m v P. That's a joke. Anyone but

982
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 1: Eric Berry? How can you compare it? In the cancer

983
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 1: But no, it's anyone voting for Charles Woodson or a

984
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 1: keep to leave as defensive Thank you? That is the

985
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:18,840
Speaker 1: worst narrative out there. What does that even mean? Charles

986
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 1: Woodson would win Defensive Player of the Year and in

987
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:23,840
Speaker 1: a season where J. J. Watt is playing at his

988
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 1: best or Josh Norman if you want to throw it

989
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 1: in there, A cave to leave is not even the

990
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 1: best cornerback on his own team, much less the best questions.

991
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: But he's not defensive He's not even the best is

992
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 1: the tough three defenders? And who's the best defender on

993
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 1: Sunday Night and they sent these ballots out you pick?

994
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 1: How do you pick to Lee but or von Miller,

995
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Ware. Come on, I'm not I'm not slamming anything.

996
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 1: I'm about Eric Berry's candidacy. What I'm saying is the

997
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:53,359
Speaker 1: comeback Player of the Year should be slam because it's

998
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,799
Speaker 1: very confusing. How can you compare someone coming back from

999
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 1: cancer to someone coming back from knee injury? Like, how

1000
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:01,919
Speaker 1: did do you you hit the nail on the head?

1001
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 1: Once again, Greg Uh incisive? What we have time for

1002
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:09,399
Speaker 1: one more award? Has anybody got one? No? We are

1003
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:11,799
Speaker 1: at a time that means and it was a really

1004
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 1: great award show. The mid season Awards are officially over.

1005
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 1: One last round of applause for everybody. Thank you. Really

1006
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:25,879
Speaker 1: good stuff, really good stuff. Um. We move on now

1007
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:30,320
Speaker 1: to the final UH discussion of Tuesday's show, Thursday Night Football,

1008
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 1: Mark your Cleveland Brown's head to Cincinnati UH to face

1009
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:38,320
Speaker 1: the ben Gals, the undefeated Bengals. This is a seven

1010
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 1: and oh Cincinnati team and the Browns will be starting

1011
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 1: Johnny Manziel in the game. Uh, we're hearing from our

1012
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 1: own reporting, Rand Getlin. Uh. Mike Petton didn't go quite

1013
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 1: that far uh at his press conference on Tuesday. But

1014
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 1: let's trust our reporting on this that we're gonna get

1015
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:58,319
Speaker 1: Manziel in their quarterback Uh. Mark, I'll start with you

1016
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 1: on this. Does this give them a better chance to

1017
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 1: hang with Cincinnati or is this what you would deem

1018
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 1: a lost cause type of game? Well, it's not a

1019
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 1: good setup for a player that doesn't have a lot

1020
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 1: of on field experience to have to go through a

1021
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 1: week where you get maybe one practice and kind of

1022
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:17,439
Speaker 1: a piecemeal walk through. And Josh McCown has not been

1023
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 1: the problem in Cleveland at all for all their ups

1024
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 1: and downs. I mean, you know, he's not a perfect passer,

1025
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:24,879
Speaker 1: but I I think they'd be in a much better

1026
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:27,799
Speaker 1: position to stick with the guy that's been throwing two

1027
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:30,760
Speaker 1: or three touchdowns every week and producing yardage and showing

1028
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 1: such good chemistry with Gary Barnage. I mean, it's back

1029
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 1: to wild card stage at the quarterback position. On the

1030
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 1: flip side, the season is lost and it's time to

1031
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 1: find out what is happening with Manzil. It's gonna be

1032
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 1: a tough matchup. This Bengals defense gets better every week.

1033
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 1: I think the secondary's playing really well. Georgia Loca seems

1034
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 1: to be making plays every week. The defensive line, I mean,

1035
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 1: they had a really impressive performance against Pittsburgh that got

1036
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,959
Speaker 1: lost in the shuffle. I mean Ben Roethlisberger, he looked

1037
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 1: terrible in that game. By the fourth quarter. It was

1038
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 1: a full scale meltdown. But I think for the most part,

1039
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:08,439
Speaker 1: the Bengals defense forced Pittsburgh into look in so bad

1040
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 1: for that game. We've come a long way from people

1041
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 1: advocating for Johnny manziel after throwing six completions or eight

1042
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 1: completions in a game to be the starter. After Josh

1043
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 1: McCown basically has averaged three hundred yards and two TVs

1044
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:24,919
Speaker 1: a game. I think it's a clear step down. Absolutely,

1045
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 1: And you know this is this is could be scary

1046
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 1: for this Browns team because the team, the Bengals team

1047
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:33,719
Speaker 1: that absolutely destroyed Cleveland late in the season last year

1048
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 1: with Manzielle under center, that Bengals team is not nearly

1049
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 1: as good as this Bengals team. And yet the Browns

1050
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 1: defense is far worse than it was at the end

1051
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 1: of last season and with Manziel, the offense is a

1052
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:46,919
Speaker 1: complete unknown. Let me throw out a scenario that could

1053
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 1: play out on Thursday night. Um, the Browns is they've

1054
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 1: been at times very frisky. They're frisky in this game too.

1055
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 1: Because of the Browns, they don't finish the deal. They

1056
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:58,840
Speaker 1: end up losing, let's say on a late A J.

1057
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 1: Green touchdown. But Manzel plays very well. I mean, he

1058
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 1: doesn't turn the ball over. He looks like a guy

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00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:07,319
Speaker 1: that knows how to play the position. He looks like

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00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 1: he's shown a lot of growth from last year. The

1061
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 1: Browns after the loss will be two and seven with

1062
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:15,239
Speaker 1: no playoff chances. As good as Josh McCown has been,

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00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 1: and we've talked about this in the past, Um, he's

1064
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 1: still the first round pick last year. Johnny Manzel. If

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00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:22,239
Speaker 1: he plays well in this game, why would you take

1066
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 1: him out? I think what's happening in Cleveland a little

1067
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:28,320
Speaker 1: bit is that the coaching staff and the front office

1068
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:31,760
Speaker 1: could not be on a farther islands, and that Petton

1069
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 1: just wants to win games and he probably doesn't care

1070
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:37,240
Speaker 1: about Johnny Manziel and what to do with that, because

1071
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:40,720
Speaker 1: that wasn't his decision and his pick, and he believes

1072
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 1: in trust and account It's clear that whole coaching staff

1073
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 1: and locker room loves m accounts. So I agree that's

1074
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 1: what they should do because this team has nothing right now.

1075
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 1: You've got to find out if you're gonna go all

1076
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 1: in for a quarterback in the off season. And it's

1077
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 1: weird you just signed Austin Davis to a long term deal,

1078
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 1: You've got Manziel sitting there as a question mark, and

1079
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 1: you've got a thirty six sher old veteran quarterback. If

1080
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 1: you're Mike Patton, why would you think any differently than

1081
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:06,319
Speaker 1: I want the guy who gives me the best chance

1082
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:08,839
Speaker 1: to win each and every week. He's got to think

1083
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 1: about his job, not the future, especially when you haven't

1084
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:13,719
Speaker 1: seen anything out of Johnny Manzel that makes you think,

1085
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:15,759
Speaker 1: oh yeah, this guy could lead us out of what

1086
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 1: we're in. It was an really awkward press conference today

1087
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 1: with with Ray Farmer, especially the general manager, met with

1088
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 1: the media. One of the questions I believe from our

1089
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 1: Albert Brier was, uh, you know, does Dwayne Bow what

1090
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 1: what was it? Does he look like an over like

1091
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:34,920
Speaker 1: a bad investment? And the the answer was essentially, that's

1092
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 1: an interesting question, and then he he sort of dodged it.

1093
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 1: But I I got the sense from Farmer, if you're

1094
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 1: really reading behind the between the lines, he was saying,

1095
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's up to us to put him

1096
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 1: Dwayne Bow in the best situation to succeed, and it's

1097
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 1: it's up to us to get these guys that we've

1098
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:54,919
Speaker 1: brought in and put them in the best situation. So

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00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 1: I think there's definitely I think that's a little bit

1100
00:57:57,520 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 1: of that schism you're seeing coming out in public that

1101
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 1: he he believes in the guys he brought in. Clearly

1102
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 1: Petton doesn't leaving some of them and ray for He can't,

1103
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 1: he can't control this. But they saying, never let them

1104
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 1: see you sweat. He's speaking to the local media and

1105
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 1: he's sweating so profusely that a team personnel official has

1106
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 1: to hand him a towel and he's wiping down his

1107
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 1: face and slugging down water. I mean, it just doesn't

1108
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 1: He seems to me to be part of the problem,

1109
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 1: not part of the solution, and they just seem to

1110
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 1: be a far way far away off. Still, this is

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00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 1: one of the first press conferences where Patton proceeded Farmer

1112
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 1: up at the podium and looked to me exhausted and angry,

1113
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 1: and I think it's a week of a lot of

1114
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 1: gossip and trade rumors were again. He said, you just

1115
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 1: dropped a bomb in the middle of our locker room.

1116
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 1: And that was a shot in my book at Farmer

1117
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 1: because they aren't on the same page. Was handled terribly

1118
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 1: all week long. And this team now, it's it's true

1119
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 1: proven veterans, the few they have are wondering what the

1120
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 1: hell is going on all right around the room. Now,

1121
00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 1: I have a feeling we might be on the same

1122
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 1: page of this game, but you never know your pick,

1123
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 1: my mark and final score. I mean this is there's

1124
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:06,920
Speaker 1: no way I can go against the Bengals here. There's

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00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 1: no there's no indication to pick against them. Thirty one seven,

1126
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 1: whoa Bengals thirty four to ten. I'm gonna say. I'm

1127
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 1: gonna say the Browns are gonna be frisky. I think

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00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 1: it will be a closer game than maybe we expect.

1129
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 1: But Cincinnati, yeah, I'll go thirty one. Cincinnati second best

1130
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 1: tight in the league right now. Tyler Eiffort, Jeremy Hill,

1131
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 1: I think is running well lately he is he even

1132
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 1: the best tight end in this game. You please, it's

1133
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 1: been great. You can have your highlight reel catches. Tyler

1134
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 1: efforts very consistent. I can't believe Barnage has been more consistent.

1135
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 1: You're telling me Barnage isn't British Gary Bonnie. He may

1136
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 1: want to be well with the way things are going.

1137
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 1: I mean, do you want to be in Cleveland right now?

1138
00:59:56,960 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 1: Maybe London? Okay? All right, so there you go, So

1139
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Speaker 1: tune in. By the way, the NFL network exclusively that

1140
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 1: game could be seen, Um, the NFL airways is Johnny Manzel.

1141
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 1: That's uh, I think I'm in our news from People

1142
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 1: were going crazy that it is Manzel because that is

1143
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 1: your ratings hike. But on what you know, as somebody

1144
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 1: that's not connected to the teams, as just a football fan,

1145
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 1: that makes the game more in it. So we'll see

1146
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 1: how he plays and you know, maybe he'll surprise us.

1147
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:31,920
Speaker 1: That is it for Tuesday's edition of the Around the

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01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 1: NFL podcast. We will be back on Thursday with another show.

1149
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 1: We will get the Thursday, we're gonna preview all of

1150
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 1: the Sunday games. We're going to what else are we

1151
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:47,960
Speaker 1: gonna do, Greg. That's that's what we do, all right.

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01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 1: This is Dan hans As signing off for the Quiet Storm,

1153
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 1: The Mailman, the Boss and I seen behind the glass

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Speaker 1: until Friday.