WEBVTT - Constitutional Rights Are Under Attack And What To Do | Robert Barnes 0:00:13.800 --> 0:00:16.440 It seems like the world has gone crazy. And I've 0:00:16.480 --> 0:00:18.520 constantly said that the world we're going into is not 0:00:18.840 --> 0:00:21.160 the same as the world we're leaving behind. And I 0:00:21.160 --> 0:00:24.240 think it's apparent to anybody that's been paying attention. Nobody 0:00:24.280 --> 0:00:27.159 could have guessed that twelve or fourteen months ago we 0:00:27.200 --> 0:00:29.520 would be in this place today, that the world would 0:00:29.520 --> 0:00:32.360 have changed as much as we've had. Um. The world 0:00:32.479 --> 0:00:35.240 is changing, the laws are changing, and a lot of people, 0:00:35.360 --> 0:00:40.000 and myself included, believe that it's infringing upon our constitutional rights. 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:42.640 We believe that the Constitution was written a way to 0:00:42.800 --> 0:00:45.760 protect the rights of the people, to limit the powers 0:00:45.760 --> 0:00:48.040 that the government has been given. Now that's open for 0:00:48.080 --> 0:00:50.840 the courts to decide. I have my opinion, other people 0:00:50.880 --> 0:00:54.240 have their's. But today I am joined with Robert Barnes. 0:00:54.280 --> 0:00:57.160 He is a constitutional law attorney. He deals with this 0:00:57.280 --> 0:01:00.680 on a regular basis. He has has many constitution sational cases, 0:01:00.680 --> 0:01:03.000 and we are going to dig in to what he 0:01:03.040 --> 0:01:05.920 believes the Constitution has to say and what the courts 0:01:05.920 --> 0:01:07.720 are upholding, and what they have to say on many 0:01:07.800 --> 0:01:11.600 issues ranging from lockdowns being locked in your hand in 0:01:11.640 --> 0:01:15.080 your homes, your business being shut down, vaccines, vaccine mandates, 0:01:15.080 --> 0:01:18.199 facts mean passports. We're gonna talk about guns. We're gonna 0:01:18.200 --> 0:01:21.399 talk about E s G. Narratives, UM, escape plans, how 0:01:21.440 --> 0:01:24.440 we survive, how we push back, UM, what happens if 0:01:24.480 --> 0:01:27.200 things become too bad and oppressive. He gives us even 0:01:27.240 --> 0:01:30.400 his actionable plan of how we can fight back and 0:01:30.440 --> 0:01:32.520 then how we could escape if we need to. So 0:01:32.680 --> 0:01:34.520 this is a great conversation, one that I've been trying 0:01:34.520 --> 0:01:37.000 to set up for a really long time. Robert Barnes 0:01:37.160 --> 0:01:38.480 is the best man to talk to you when it 0:01:38.520 --> 0:01:40.840 comes to what our laws, what our rights are for 0:01:40.880 --> 0:01:43.040 constitutional law, and so let's just go ahead and jump 0:01:43.200 --> 0:01:46.360 right into it. Hey, everyone, welcome to another episode of 0:01:46.400 --> 0:01:48.960 The Market Disruptors Show, and today I am joined by 0:01:49.160 --> 0:01:53.880 Robert Barnes. He is a constitutional law attorney, trial attorney, 0:01:53.960 --> 0:01:57.560 tax attorney, constitutional attorney. Uh some big cases like the 0:01:57.600 --> 0:02:01.680 Covington kids, UM, helping Donald Trump's campaign and more stuff 0:02:01.680 --> 0:02:04.440 like that. Anyway, Robert, thanks for joining me today, Glad 0:02:04.440 --> 0:02:07.600 to be here. So man, I've listened to a lot 0:02:07.640 --> 0:02:10.600 of your work. Had recently had the pleasure of sharing 0:02:10.600 --> 0:02:13.800 a stage with you in in Miami, which was really cool. UM, 0:02:13.840 --> 0:02:15.560 but give us a little bit of the background on 0:02:15.560 --> 0:02:17.440 on the stuff that you're kind of working on and 0:02:17.480 --> 0:02:20.240 kind of focusing on right now. Sure, So you know, 0:02:20.320 --> 0:02:22.480 the the only thing that thematically ties all of my 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:26.320 clients and cases and causes together is that two things. One, 0:02:26.360 --> 0:02:29.120 they're all underdog cases, so I represent people that are 0:02:29.120 --> 0:02:31.800 fighting someone that, even if they themselves are very well off, 0:02:32.040 --> 0:02:34.320 the other side has a lot more power and influence. 0:02:34.600 --> 0:02:37.760 The other is it ties together certain constitutional freedoms and 0:02:37.800 --> 0:02:40.480 liberties that I believe in that I want to support 0:02:40.560 --> 0:02:43.080 through the legal efforts that we make. Sometimes we do 0:02:43.120 --> 0:02:46.240 those cases pro bono. Sometimes we're doing them at some 0:02:46.280 --> 0:02:49.560 sort of contingency fee, and in a very few cases, 0:02:49.600 --> 0:02:51.280 you know, get actually get paid a little bit for 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:53.800 the work or have some of the cost to freight. 0:02:54.160 --> 0:02:56.120 So that's sort of the unity of the work we're doing. 0:02:56.160 --> 0:02:57.960 And so I mean right now, that's been in the 0:02:58.000 --> 0:03:01.560 lockdown context, that's been in the election integrity context, that's 0:03:01.560 --> 0:03:05.920 been in the VA vaccine mandate context, that's been in 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:08.680 all of the efforts sort of legally resisting wherever and 0:03:08.680 --> 0:03:10.640 whenever we can, either in the court of law or 0:03:10.639 --> 0:03:14.760 court of public opinion. This effort of massive global total 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:18.680 control that is really afoot with the sort of global reset, 0:03:18.960 --> 0:03:21.760 whether that's wanting to control currency, whether that's wanting to 0:03:21.800 --> 0:03:24.880 control your body, whether that's controlling your freedom to simply 0:03:24.919 --> 0:03:27.160 walk out of your own door, in your own house, 0:03:27.240 --> 0:03:32.440 to go to your own local park. We face a unprecedented, unparalleled, 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:36.280 modern challenged individual freedom, and the legal work that my 0:03:36.400 --> 0:03:38.600 firm does is to try to preserve and protect that 0:03:38.640 --> 0:03:42.800 freedom at every level that we can. And it's so important. 0:03:42.840 --> 0:03:44.080 That's why I want to talk to you today. I 0:03:44.080 --> 0:03:46.640 consider myself a freedom maximalist, and everything I'm trying to 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:48.800 do is try to increase my freedom, but also help 0:03:48.840 --> 0:03:52.280 others increase their freedom, um typically through movements that we 0:03:52.280 --> 0:03:55.120 can make by ourselves and and and our money, UM not. 0:03:55.200 --> 0:03:57.600 On the law side, it almost seems to me like, 0:03:57.680 --> 0:03:59.880 as you said, I mean, it's gotten so big and 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:02.880 we are such the underdog. It almost seems to me 0:04:02.920 --> 0:04:05.360 like I'm I've kind of given up hope on that, 0:04:05.440 --> 0:04:06.760 and now I have to figure out how to kind 0:04:06.760 --> 0:04:10.040 of protect myself and just kind of evade that. UM 0:04:10.160 --> 0:04:12.280 you like to represent the underdog, so I guess you 0:04:12.280 --> 0:04:14.000 don't share that. I mean, there is hope I guess 0:04:14.040 --> 0:04:16.960 you think otherwise you wouldn't keep fighting it. Absolutely so, 0:04:17.000 --> 0:04:19.719 I mean I see this as bifurcated. Always have a 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:22.080 plan B, always have a backup plan. Well, it's it's 0:04:22.120 --> 0:04:24.000 Donald Trump's old statement and Art of the Deal when 0:04:24.000 --> 0:04:25.400 I was like twelve years old is one of my 0:04:25.440 --> 0:04:28.599 favorite books. Uh, and my favorite quote from his book 0:04:29.080 --> 0:04:32.680 was always hope for the best, including planning for that 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:36.880 best to occur, and plan for the worst. Always do both. 0:04:37.200 --> 0:04:39.480 So have a plan A to fight back, to resist, 0:04:39.560 --> 0:04:41.120 to be able to push in either the court of 0:04:41.120 --> 0:04:43.839 public opinion, court of lore wherever you may be, to 0:04:43.920 --> 0:04:46.479 be able to try to create a freer society for 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:49.159 the rest of us and ourselves. But at the same time, 0:04:49.200 --> 0:04:51.080 have an exit plan, know how to get out of 0:04:51.080 --> 0:04:53.080 the I mean, I always like the movie Heat where 0:04:53.080 --> 0:04:54.840 it said, you know the the has that Robert de 0:04:54.920 --> 0:04:57.000 Niro has that line, never have anything in your life 0:04:57.000 --> 0:05:00.320 that you can't walk out on in fifteen seconds flat 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:03.159 if you feel the heat around the corner. 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Um, and now we're kind of looking at 0:07:17.040 --> 0:07:19.120 the same things happening, which could potentially lead to the 0:07:19.160 --> 0:07:21.720 same outcome. So we should probably be taking those those 0:07:21.760 --> 0:07:23.680 same things. So that's something I want to dig into, 0:07:23.760 --> 0:07:26.240 so everybody listening, we will. But maybe before that, let's 0:07:26.240 --> 0:07:29.600 talk about the resisting part. And so I think I 0:07:29.640 --> 0:07:31.320 often say that the world we're going into is not 0:07:31.400 --> 0:07:34.200 the world we're coming out of. And so I think 0:07:34.320 --> 0:07:36.400 I think anybody would probably agree that the way the 0:07:36.400 --> 0:07:39.160 world's changed in the last twelve months or fourteen months 0:07:39.160 --> 0:07:41.960 is more than anybody could have imagined. And it seems 0:07:42.000 --> 0:07:44.800 that they're and I'm not a constitutional law attorney, I 0:07:44.840 --> 0:07:46.800 do kind of know the Constitution, but it just seems 0:07:46.840 --> 0:07:50.920 like infringements everywhere. But then, um, as I've talked to 0:07:51.000 --> 0:07:53.400 some of my more liberal liberal friends, they don't agree. 0:07:53.440 --> 0:07:55.640 They're like, well, it's not I don't think it is. Um, 0:07:55.720 --> 0:07:58.920 So it seems like it's almost something where like I 0:07:58.960 --> 0:08:01.920 think it's against my constitutional right. So then I'm going 0:08:02.000 --> 0:08:05.000 to not listen to that law. I'll work against that law. 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:07.880 At some point they may come and get me the police, whatever, 0:08:08.160 --> 0:08:09.680 and then it goes to court and then at some 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:12.840 point the court has to decide whether that is against 0:08:12.840 --> 0:08:15.960 the constitution. So I'm coming from California with Governor Newsome 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:18.600 or or Czar Newsom, whatever you wanna call you to 0:08:18.680 --> 0:08:21.280 like four hundred executive actions in like six months or 0:08:21.280 --> 0:08:24.040 something like that seemed a wig unconstitutional. So is that 0:08:24.080 --> 0:08:28.320 how that works? I mean, am I looking at that right? Yeah? Fundamentally, 0:08:28.360 --> 0:08:30.960 And basically there's two different ways to legally resist. One 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:33.319 is to force them to try to take action adverse 0:08:33.360 --> 0:08:35.120 to you and then be able to fight back in 0:08:35.160 --> 0:08:38.559 the courts that way. The other is to affirmatively take 0:08:38.600 --> 0:08:41.160 proactive action in certain instances where you sue out of 0:08:41.200 --> 0:08:43.840 the gate. So, like, you know, I represented a bunch 0:08:43.840 --> 0:08:46.480 of people during the lockdowns who sued, you know, in 0:08:46.520 --> 0:08:49.280 one case, sued because they couldn't they couldn't even go 0:08:49.520 --> 0:08:52.559 set up may maintain their second property that was a 0:08:52.600 --> 0:08:55.360 vacation property that they rented out in Michigan. They were 0:08:55.360 --> 0:08:58.880 prohibited from just traveling from their one home to their 0:08:58.920 --> 0:09:02.640 other home. In Georgia and Tennessee. Represented someone who wasn't 0:09:02.640 --> 0:09:06.520 allowed to go to a drive in Easter church service 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:09.600 for their kid where there in a car. They weren't 0:09:09.600 --> 0:09:12.600 even gonna be inside a church. Uh, you know, represented 0:09:12.600 --> 0:09:14.360 people who were not being allowed to get on the 0:09:14.400 --> 0:09:18.080 ballot in Virginia related to lockdown issues. Uh. And then 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:20.120 a bunch of the lockdown cases across the country, and 0:09:20.160 --> 0:09:22.120 many of those cases we were kind of proactive. We 0:09:22.120 --> 0:09:24.800 didn't wait for a fine to happen or anything else 0:09:24.920 --> 0:09:28.640 or punishment where they they wanted to take proactive remedies. 0:09:28.920 --> 0:09:31.720 And in all those cases they the government settled and folded, 0:09:31.720 --> 0:09:33.560 and so it showed an example of how you could 0:09:33.559 --> 0:09:36.280 be successful. But this is extraordinary when I hear some 0:09:36.320 --> 0:09:38.440 people on the left say this is you know, okay 0:09:38.520 --> 0:09:41.760 or normal. Nothing about this is normal. We just and 0:09:41.800 --> 0:09:44.360 most of the world just went under mass house arrest 0:09:44.760 --> 0:09:47.600 under terms and conditions of release that are worse than 0:09:47.720 --> 0:09:50.760 most terms of home arrest around the world for in 0:09:50.800 --> 0:09:53.160 a criminal system. Is so, I mean, you know, you 0:09:53.200 --> 0:09:56.240 couldn't take your your own children to your own local park, 0:09:56.480 --> 0:09:58.640 couldn't go to a school, couldn't go to your job, 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:01.439 couldn't do basic I mean, it was house arrest. That's 0:10:01.440 --> 0:10:04.000 what it was. In some cases, three months, six months, 0:10:04.080 --> 0:10:06.400 nine months, some places it's still happening to some degree. 0:10:06.800 --> 0:10:10.240 So it's extraordinary invasion of public of rights. It was 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:14.040 an extraordinary declaration of going back to the Nazi Germany example, 0:10:14.240 --> 0:10:16.480 what was the great legal loophole that allowed Hitler to 0:10:16.520 --> 0:10:19.320 seize power that the they thought there was that they 0:10:19.360 --> 0:10:24.040 put an emergency exception within their constitution. That's why ours didn't. 0:10:24.200 --> 0:10:26.040 And yet the courts started to carve it out, or 0:10:26.080 --> 0:10:28.880 the governors at least claimed it existed. So this is 0:10:29.000 --> 0:10:32.199 unparalleled threats to individual liberty what we've seen over the 0:10:32.280 --> 0:10:34.840 last year, and I fear it's only gonna get worse 0:10:35.040 --> 0:10:38.240 in terms of where the global reset agenda is going. Yeah, 0:10:38.240 --> 0:10:39.800 I want to jump into the globe because that's a 0:10:39.800 --> 0:10:42.720 big piece. But before we do so, Um, they used 0:10:42.760 --> 0:10:45.840 this emergency which they think gives them this power against 0:10:45.840 --> 0:10:48.400 the constitution, which to your point, there is no clause 0:10:48.440 --> 0:10:50.600 for that. But then I guess back to my point, 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:53.400 they think they have it, they go ahead and use it, 0:10:53.640 --> 0:10:55.600 and then it's up to us to then challenge that, 0:10:55.960 --> 0:10:58.120 and somebody has to do that. Whether that be a 0:10:58.160 --> 0:11:00.080 private city, I guess it has to be a have 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:02.120 a citizen hiring you right as an attorney. You can't 0:11:02.120 --> 0:11:04.040 just go do that on your own. Oh no, you 0:11:04.040 --> 0:11:05.120 can't do it on your own. In the way I 0:11:05.200 --> 0:11:08.400 look at it as a private resistance is the key, 0:11:08.440 --> 0:11:10.520 and you don't need a majority. You just need ten 0:11:11.360 --> 0:11:13.920 of the country to refuse to go along with something 0:11:13.960 --> 0:11:16.120 and the law becomes dead law. Look what happened in Italy. 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:18.640 The businesses said, screw it, We're just gonna open up. 0:11:18.880 --> 0:11:21.240 And are you gonna arrest every business? Are you gonna 0:11:21.320 --> 0:11:24.520 arrest every customer? Now the chances are you're not, So 0:11:24.720 --> 0:11:27.520 mass resistance can really work. Civil resistance has been the 0:11:27.520 --> 0:11:30.360 most successful mechanism and method for reform in the Western 0:11:30.400 --> 0:11:32.760 world for the last century, going whether you're talking about 0:11:32.800 --> 0:11:36.160 Gandhi and INDI or MLK in the United States. So 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:39.040 then you talk about the court of public opinion, and 0:11:39.080 --> 0:11:42.160 so then I think the public opinion is what influences 0:11:42.240 --> 0:11:45.440 that action. So if they can win, um, it seems 0:11:45.440 --> 0:11:48.319 like maybe what I saw being in California was um. 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:51.520 The governor put out this order. It's not like a law, 0:11:51.800 --> 0:11:53.360 but he calls it like an order that you have 0:11:53.440 --> 0:11:55.360 to wear a mask, but there was no law about that. 0:11:55.360 --> 0:11:57.560 But then I think then the media picks it up 0:11:57.559 --> 0:11:59.200 and then all of a sudden people think, oh, I 0:11:59.200 --> 0:12:00.440 guess I have to do it, and then I just 0:12:00.480 --> 0:12:02.520 go along with that um And is that kind of 0:12:02.559 --> 0:12:04.120 what you're talking about. They almost kind of used the 0:12:04.160 --> 0:12:06.719 media to kind of like change this opinion, and then 0:12:06.760 --> 0:12:09.640 that changes my behaviors and then eventually kind of becomes 0:12:09.640 --> 0:12:13.520 a law. I mean effectively that the legal system only 0:12:13.559 --> 0:12:16.720 matters to the degree there's public compliance, so that the law, like, 0:12:16.760 --> 0:12:18.640 you can have all the segregation laws you want on 0:12:18.679 --> 0:12:21.719 the books. If large parts of the population say I'm 0:12:21.760 --> 0:12:24.960 not going to obey that and expose you to the court, 0:12:25.040 --> 0:12:26.880 to the to the court of public opinion, then where 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:29.240 the public thinks that law is a bad law, that 0:12:29.320 --> 0:12:32.640 law ultimately will fall off the books because it's unenforceable. 0:12:32.920 --> 0:12:35.320 A law doesn't mean anything unless it's enforceable, and for 0:12:35.360 --> 0:12:37.920 it to be enforceable, it needs public consent. That's sort 0:12:37.960 --> 0:12:39.840 of the greatest trick is the four pillars of power 0:12:39.920 --> 0:12:42.280 underneath have a fifth pillar power, which is the perception 0:12:42.280 --> 0:12:45.319 of the moral and legit and factual legitimacy of those 0:12:45.360 --> 0:12:48.320 other four powers pillars of power. So you remove that 0:12:48.320 --> 0:12:51.319 fifth pillar power, the rest of the system collapses. Our 0:12:51.320 --> 0:12:54.400 CIA actually goes around teaching other countries this and regime 0:12:54.520 --> 0:12:56.800 change effort. So it's always useful to remember it for 0:12:56.800 --> 0:12:59.160 our own nation at the same time, right how we 0:12:59.200 --> 0:13:01.880 can use it against them. So if we look at 0:13:02.160 --> 0:13:04.520 some of these big buckets of rights that have really 0:13:04.559 --> 0:13:07.640 been infringed on, you kind of locked mentioned some of them. 0:13:07.640 --> 0:13:10.120 Obviously the lockdowns, being locked in your house, healthy people 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:14.120 being being locked down, um, and now, um, you know 0:13:14.160 --> 0:13:15.719 the vaccines. I guess those are kind of like two 0:13:15.720 --> 0:13:18.920 big things. Um. So if I was if I was 0:13:18.960 --> 0:13:21.760 a homeowner that felt I was unlockedown I didn't like that, 0:13:21.800 --> 0:13:24.280 which which I don't. Or I'm a business owner that 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:26.200 feels that my business has been shut down and I 0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:27.920 have the right to run that. I mean, what what 0:13:28.000 --> 0:13:29.560 are how should I be thinking to that? What are 0:13:29.600 --> 0:13:31.640 my options that I have to kind of fight back 0:13:31.679 --> 0:13:34.560 against that? Well, the limitations that were supposed to be 0:13:34.600 --> 0:13:38.400 in in place constitutionally is that you know, lockdowns couldn't 0:13:38.400 --> 0:13:41.000 occur outside of very rare circumstances that has to go 0:13:41.040 --> 0:13:44.840 through legislative approval, that it has to meet certain judicial standards. 0:13:44.920 --> 0:13:47.560 Unfor most of these lockdowns did not fit that at all. 0:13:48.200 --> 0:13:51.319 And the unfortunately the courts were just reluctant to enforce 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:54.559 the constitution during the first year, so now they're starting 0:13:54.600 --> 0:13:56.520 to enforce it. But in my view, if you're a 0:13:56.559 --> 0:13:59.200 business that this happened to, it was really an unconstitutional 0:13:59.240 --> 0:14:02.080 taking without payment, you know the I mean they were 0:14:02.080 --> 0:14:05.360 taking your property, your ability to practice, your occupation, your profession, 0:14:05.440 --> 0:14:08.800 or your business without compensating you fairly and justly for it. 0:14:09.040 --> 0:14:11.320 And the reason for the just compensation clause is to 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:15.920 make the government pay for anything that they collectively imposed 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:19.640 for the purported collective benefit you. The individuals shouldn't have 0:14:19.720 --> 0:14:22.400 to suffer that detriment alone or be the sole source 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:24.800 of payment of it. So that was just one example 0:14:24.800 --> 0:14:28.080 on the business side of the equation. On the the 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:31.080 health side of the equation, there's many potential objections. I mean, 0:14:31.120 --> 0:14:34.560 this is an emergency use authorized vaccine that doesn't fit 0:14:34.600 --> 0:14:36.760 within the emergency use statute to allow it to be 0:14:36.800 --> 0:14:40.320 compelled or coerced on anybody secondly informed consents part of 0:14:40.320 --> 0:14:43.600 the Nuremberg Code of nineteen seven. This clearly violates the 0:14:43.640 --> 0:14:46.520 Nuremberg Code that said no more human experimentation by any 0:14:46.560 --> 0:14:49.280 civilization or society. Those have been enforced here in the 0:14:49.320 --> 0:14:52.040 United States. I think it's a violation of your constitution 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:54.760 or right the bodily integrity and privacy under the fourth 0:14:54.840 --> 0:14:57.400 and fifth Amendments of the U s Constitution. And I 0:14:57.440 --> 0:15:00.600 think in the employment context or the public accommodation context, 0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:04.240 it violates theether, the Americans with Disabilities Act, or the 0:15:04.320 --> 0:15:08.280 Hippo laws. Yeah. So so all across the board. Some 0:15:08.320 --> 0:15:10.200 of that jumps into some international stuff which I do 0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:12.800 want to jump into. Um, but so UM. I guess 0:15:12.840 --> 0:15:15.000 then starting with just kind of lockdown. So if I 0:15:15.040 --> 0:15:17.480 was somebody who felt that my life was adversely affected, 0:15:17.520 --> 0:15:20.640 which everybody's was, but more importantly, my business suffered. Maybe 0:15:20.680 --> 0:15:23.240 I lost my business, which lots of people did. Um, 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:25.880 then maybe I would have some sort of acclaim back 0:15:25.920 --> 0:15:29.960 if I wanted to sue UM the government for unjust lockdowns. Yeah, 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:32.480 exactly with the there's a bunch of lawsuits pending currently 0:15:32.480 --> 0:15:34.680 and basically I see it as a takings claim. So 0:15:34.720 --> 0:15:37.320 I think that it was a violation of the UH 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:40.560 that they did not compensate you fairly or or effectively 0:15:40.600 --> 0:15:44.560 or equitably for their deprivation of your property and it's 0:15:44.600 --> 0:15:48.280 gonna be an open question how much they The courts 0:15:48.280 --> 0:15:52.560 have tried to limit the takings two very uh, very 0:15:52.600 --> 0:15:55.280 few set of circumstances. But just last week they made 0:15:55.280 --> 0:15:58.880 a major decision that expanded what constituted a taking under 0:15:58.880 --> 0:16:02.440 the Fifth Amendment. In my view, given their definition of it, clearly, 0:16:02.440 --> 0:16:04.960 what happened in the lockdowns to people's property and business 0:16:04.960 --> 0:16:08.760 and occupations constitutes and unconstitutional taking if it wasn't fairly 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:12.440 compensated for So should each individual person go out and 0:16:12.520 --> 0:16:14.480 hire an attorney and try to file a suit, or 0:16:14.480 --> 0:16:16.240 do you think there's some point where like maybe there's 0:16:16.280 --> 0:16:18.600 like class action lawsuits that are brought together. How does 0:16:18.640 --> 0:16:20.000 that kind of play out or or how do you 0:16:20.000 --> 0:16:22.880 think it could play out? Or should There's currently three 0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:25.720 major class actions pending, and I would look at if 0:16:25.760 --> 0:16:27.520 I was a business person in that category, I would 0:16:27.520 --> 0:16:29.960 look at joining. UH. I would look at either joining 0:16:29.960 --> 0:16:32.200 an existing class action if it already exists in your state, 0:16:32.440 --> 0:16:35.720 or uh working with other business owners to create a 0:16:35.760 --> 0:16:39.320 class action in your particular jurisdiction. Got it, So that's 0:16:39.320 --> 0:16:43.040 good for the lockdowns themselves. Um. It seemed like, um 0:16:43.080 --> 0:16:45.120 the courts were very slow to respond to some of 0:16:45.120 --> 0:16:46.880 the stuff, maybe because they were locked down to shut 0:16:46.920 --> 0:16:49.480 down themselves. But then I did see, you know, a 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:52.600 lot of cities UH start to overturn these types of things, 0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:54.680 Like I was an Orange County, California, but I saw 0:16:54.720 --> 0:16:57.840 San Diego UH rule that it was not right to 0:16:57.840 --> 0:17:00.560 shut down restaurants for example. Um, so don it seemed 0:17:00.600 --> 0:17:03.400 like maybe too late, but eventually we started getting some 0:17:03.440 --> 0:17:05.560 of these overturned. As you've kind of mentioned, does that 0:17:05.720 --> 0:17:08.160 set some sort of precedence moving forward, because a lot 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:10.320 of people think that, shoot, this was like a test 0:17:10.359 --> 0:17:12.600 to see how well we comply, and it's probably gonna 0:17:12.600 --> 0:17:15.199 come back again later, But maybe some of these overturnings 0:17:15.200 --> 0:17:18.560 have set some precedents that might make it harder. Hopefully. Absolutely, 0:17:18.600 --> 0:17:20.199 I tell people from the get go to fight these 0:17:20.240 --> 0:17:22.480 cases all the way through, to fight them, particularly to 0:17:22.520 --> 0:17:24.840 time them right, to bring the right cases, right time, 0:17:24.920 --> 0:17:27.720 right place, because the most important aspect of this from 0:17:27.720 --> 0:17:31.159 a legal perspective was establishing the precedents that would preclude 0:17:31.200 --> 0:17:34.760 this from happening again. Um. And that's why it's essential 0:17:34.800 --> 0:17:37.840 and fundamental to continue to pursue these legal remedies, even 0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:41.479 if it's not a current imminent threat, because otherwise they 0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:45.280 will absolutely repeat this. This was a real live Milgram 0:17:45.359 --> 0:17:48.040 experiment where they achieved the level of success they have 0:17:48.240 --> 0:17:51.680 never had before. You know, the crime gets people to 0:17:51.720 --> 0:17:54.920 give up certain freedoms in the name of safety. Terrorism 0:17:54.960 --> 0:17:57.280 gets people to give up a certain amount of freedoms 0:17:57.320 --> 0:17:59.959 for safety. But it turns out, you know, scary, scary 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:04.040 pandemic will get people to forfeit every freedom everywhere fast, 0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:07.119 in ways that nothing else has ever done before. So 0:18:07.240 --> 0:18:10.120 you can guarantee they're gonna keep They're gonna go back 0:18:10.160 --> 0:18:12.720 to this well, and the only question is when rather 0:18:12.760 --> 0:18:15.800 than if. Well, I I think it's already coming, and 0:18:16.040 --> 0:18:17.600 I want to ask you some questions about that in 0:18:17.600 --> 0:18:20.080 a minute. But so I would say it. You know, 0:18:20.640 --> 0:18:23.240 I don't like to use labels on political parties and 0:18:23.320 --> 0:18:25.680 stuff like that for more freedom and less government whatever 0:18:25.760 --> 0:18:27.840 that means. Um. But but I you know, I think 0:18:27.840 --> 0:18:31.960 the Constitution was a very amazing invention. The forefathers were 0:18:32.000 --> 0:18:34.399 extremely smart when they wrote that, and and it seems 0:18:34.440 --> 0:18:36.800 to me, in my opinion, that the Constitution limited the 0:18:36.840 --> 0:18:38.760 powers of the government. They didn't give us rights, it 0:18:38.840 --> 0:18:41.640 limited their powers. But I guess it's just a piece 0:18:41.680 --> 0:18:43.560 of paper, and unless somebody picks it up and does 0:18:43.600 --> 0:18:46.280 something with it, it's kind of worthless. Absolutely. It's the 0:18:46.320 --> 0:18:51.359 old Mexican saying, constitution made of paper, blade made of steel. Uh. 0:18:51.359 --> 0:18:53.800