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Speaker 1: Let's dive right into it with the Mahmood Khalil situation.

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Speaker 1: This guy who was part of the anti Jewish, anti

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Speaker 1: Some questions about what for, specifically, what do you make

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Speaker 1: of all of it?

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Speaker 2: Well, I feel like this situation has been made far

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Speaker 2: more complicated than it needs to be. As somebody who

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Speaker 2: doesn't want foreigners who hate my country here, I'm really

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Speaker 2: fine with them genuinely being deported, especially if they're involved

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Speaker 2: in any kind of anti American agitation, which I think

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Speaker 2: ultimately would include what happened here. However, the problem is

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Speaker 2: that we've seen all kinds of different anti American protests

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Speaker 2: on college campuses and across the country. I'm constantly seeing

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Speaker 2: anti deportation protests with people waving foreign flags throughout the

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Speaker 2: United States. If we're going to deport people who are immigrants,

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Speaker 2: who do not have legal status in the United States

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Speaker 2: or are not permanent citizens in the United States for

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Speaker 2: being anti American. I'm actually generally okay with that, because

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Speaker 2: if you're a guest in my country, you should love

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Speaker 2: my country. If you are here, then I want you

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Speaker 2: here because you want to be here and you appreciate

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Speaker 2: what we provide. If not, you can go home. However,

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Speaker 2: when we single people out just for anti Semitic or

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Speaker 2: anti israel remarks or action, that doesn't look great, right, Like,

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Speaker 2: ultimately we should be we should be deporting everyone who

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Speaker 2: people who are here illegally, or people who are here

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Speaker 2: under our own graciousness but ultimately hate the United States.

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Speaker 2: They should all go, or we shouldn't be deporting them,

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Speaker 2: but we should really not be doing it on a

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Speaker 2: case by case basis, depending on what group they happen

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well this is where by the way, you for

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Speaker 1: anyone listening, we didn't coordinate this before, and I didn't

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Speaker 1: ask your opinion on this one. I see this, I

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Speaker 1: talked about it on radio before. But I see this

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Speaker 1: very similarly to you. Which is interesting because there are

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Speaker 1: people on the rioters like, yeah, send him home, and

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Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, I don't like this guy. I don't

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Speaker 1: but I don't like what he says and stands for. Fine.

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Speaker 1: I think he probably crossed the line. He probably even

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Speaker 1: committed some crimes allegedly by you know, whether it's trespassing,

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Speaker 1: breaking property, threatening people. You know, menacing threatening can be

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Speaker 1: a crime in a jurisdiction, but one I want to

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Speaker 1: know what it is. It can't just be ew he's gross,

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Speaker 1: So he leaves now? Because who makes that determination? Right?

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Speaker 2: We need?

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Speaker 1: I need to know what the process is and also

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Speaker 1: is this is this then going to be the standard?

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Speaker 1: To your point going forward, there's a lot of anti

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Speaker 1: American stuff that happens on college campuses and off college campuses,

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Speaker 1: protest movements, et cetera. And you know where who makes

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Speaker 1: the determination as to whether that's crossed the line, if

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Speaker 1: it's not, if it's not breaking the law that gets

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Speaker 1: you deported. What is it is? What I need to

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Speaker 1: know in this case.

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Speaker 2: Again, I'm very much for sending home. A large amount

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Speaker 2: of immigrants that don't need to be here. So my

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Speaker 2: general flexibility on deportation is pretty high. If you don't

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Speaker 2: like my country and you're here under our good graces,

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Speaker 2: you can go. That's fine with me. Like, I really

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Speaker 2: genuinely don't have a problem with expelling people who don't

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Speaker 2: have to be here, who aren't citizens and who hate

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Speaker 2: be here. They're only here because we allowed them to

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Speaker 2: be here if we don't want them to be. However, again,

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Speaker 2: like you said, targeting someone just because we disagree with

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Speaker 2: need to have a general policy if you hate the

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Speaker 2: while engaging in an anti American protest, great go home

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Speaker 2: all of them or none of them, but you need

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Speaker 1: Well, this is what I mean. There needs to be

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Speaker 1: why he goes, and if anyone else does the same thing,

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Speaker 1: they go too. It's not just oh, we really don't

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Speaker 1: like the anti Jewish stuff on Columbia University's campus, so

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Speaker 1: to get kicked out too? So for me, it's more

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Speaker 1: an issue of clarity. I'm with you. I think if

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Speaker 1: you're a guest in America and you step out of

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Speaker 1: line at all, you should be sent back to wherever

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Speaker 1: about how it's a revolutionary idea, at least according to Democrats,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, obviously the left is going to look ridiculous in this.

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Speaker 2: They won't, like you said, deport violent members of cartels.

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Speaker 2: They get bent out of shape when you suggest that.

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Speaker 2: So obviously they're you know, moving over to this. They're

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Speaker 2: not going to feel impetus to do this either. It's

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Speaker 2: just that consistency. I'm sure that there were illegal immigrants

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Speaker 2: who were involved in the BLM riots and the ANTIFA riots,

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Speaker 2: send them home, right like anti American protesters involved in violence,

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Speaker 2: send them home. But do all or nothing. When you

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Speaker 1: Trump Massey thing for a situation. What is Trump Massey situation? First?

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Speaker 1: What is that all about?

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Speaker 2: Well, obviously, Massey is a libertarian. He is somebody who

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Speaker 2: wears a debt clock on his jacket. This is something

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Speaker 2: the continued spending. He wants to see cuts. He doesn't

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Speaker 2: debt spending. I totally understand that. And here's the thing.

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Speaker 2: I very much respect Thomas Massey. He seems like a

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Speaker 2: and principle. That said, does it really matter in this scenario?

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Speaker 2: Is this where the stand needs to be made. That's

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Speaker 2: a question for people to debate. What I don't like

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Speaker 2: that again, this is a guy who's standing on a principle,

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Speaker 2: even though if ultimately you might think that in this

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Speaker 2: to pass the Continuing Resolution, turning him into some kind

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Speaker 1: To And do you think anything substantial changes one way

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Speaker 1: or the other based on the CR. I wish that

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Speaker 1: Congress would do a better job. At least the Republicans

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Speaker 1: this one is good, why is it good right? Or

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Speaker 1: if this time it's better, what are the reasons for

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Speaker 1: it to be better, so then we have the transparency

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Speaker 1: we need on the outside who vote for these guys

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Speaker 1: to say, Okay, I get why you want to do

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Speaker 1: we shouldn't have a shutdown situation, because right now it

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Speaker 1: seems to me right Republicans are like, we shouldn't shut down,

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Speaker 2: Obviously, Trump has a lot going on. This is a

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Speaker 2: completely throwing the left off. That's great, All of that's fantastic.

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Speaker 2: I think the concern here is that if we get

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Speaker 2: And I'm actually rather sympathetic to this. I want a

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Speaker 2: that's just not the critical issue at this time. I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just read a piece on this. I think

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Speaker 1: And what do you want to see Trump focus in

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Speaker 2: It's got to be immigration. Look, the Ukraine War is

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