Speaker 1: Ugh he he he laughing. If you watch Coffee Time
Speaker 1: to Baby, you know the name Flame, my role also
Speaker 1: known as my role Flame. Come in with last and
Speaker 1: come in with JN love lounds. Baby, you better catch
Speaker 1: it when you can't drop a knowledge from fatherhood to politics,
Speaker 1: shouting now comics just paying homics. What's up? Tip? Yeah
Speaker 1: you know she raped shot towns on speaking to the ground.
Speaker 1: And second we're gonna last cut of the kicking and
Speaker 1: at the end we leave it, which is a lift
Speaker 1: dispirit you think you want to revisit, So your first
Speaker 1: like a list of your folks like you slip all
Speaker 1: folks that we take it to cain't no kiss do
Speaker 1: what you don't no kiss do what you do. Can't
Speaker 1: no kiss do what I do? No fish Flame. We
Speaker 1: welcome to laugh and learn, laughing learn with Flame and
Speaker 1: Louren and Nick and y'all and kindle and yeah, I
Speaker 1: know it's a very different look for y'all today. Ain't
Speaker 1: no makeup today, It's Memorial Day. Flame is looking a
Speaker 1: little love lounge for laugh and learn to In about
Speaker 1: forty minutes, I'll be feeling very level lounges because I've
Speaker 1: already finished cooking and happy memorial data all the veterans
Speaker 1: out there who have served this country, especially the ones
Speaker 1: that I have been unknown, that we never knew about.
Speaker 1: And I'm not even talking about just in our life time.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about like even back when the Civil War started,
Speaker 1: because they put a lot of black men, a lot
Speaker 1: of on the forefront to take them bullets and take
Speaker 1: the Yeah, a lot of us that unnecessarily because they're
Speaker 1: scary asses. Did I say that right? They're scary ass?
Speaker 1: So yes, welcome to laugh and learn. I'm your host
Speaker 1: Flaming Row. I learned with my co host Lauren Hogan
Speaker 1: right here, and Smith is on here somewhere. Nick smiths
Speaker 1: on here. And if y'all saying flame while you got
Speaker 1: dressed up, yeah, not to that. And my daddy was
Speaker 1: a vet. He was in the Navy. He's also passed on.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and in commemoration of all of the veterans
Speaker 1: that if we have lost, no week, no makeup, this
Speaker 1: is it. I wish you would have given me that memo.
Speaker 1: I would have come up here looking a little different.
Speaker 1: First of all, there's your hair and you ain't got
Speaker 1: a little powder, So I'm not at all did afternoon.
Speaker 1: Happy Memorial Day, Nick. You are a vet, I'm a vet,
Speaker 1: and and today is the day that wee, you know,
Speaker 1: honor those who pay the ultimate sacrifice and you know,
Speaker 1: gave their lives and services this country. Um, so it's
Speaker 1: been it's been somber. You know, you know the deal.
Speaker 1: So yeah, but let me so, let me tell you
Speaker 1: what we're going today, because the world is somber. This
Speaker 1: has been such a horrific week in the United States.
Speaker 1: I don't even want to do politics. I don't even
Speaker 1: want to talk about all the bad stuff going on.
Speaker 1: We will long, we'll bring up one or but this
Speaker 1: is a hodgepod. We're gonna bring on some play masks
Speaker 1: and we're talking ship today. I'm telling you all right now,
Speaker 1: let's make Memorial Day like the family cookout because I can't.
Speaker 1: I just can't even take any or your negative comments,
Speaker 1: all the hate. Everybody's enraged, people on the planes fighting, everybody.
Speaker 1: We like on a powder cake waiting to explode. So
Speaker 1: let's laugh and learn. Let us let us do what
Speaker 1: our name says. Let's teach yourself something fun or funny,
Speaker 1: a memorable story, and let's just laugh. Because child, I'm
Speaker 1: so frustrated that couldn't even put the makeup on. It's
Speaker 1: been it's been a crazy week for me. I literally
Speaker 1: called Lauren about an hour ago. I'm like, Lauren, where
Speaker 1: are you? She's like, where are you? What you mean?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, Lauring, I'm sorry, I'm just I'm not
Speaker 1: doing well this week. And I told you that, you know.
Speaker 1: He's like, It's okay, Nick. We all have those weeks,
Speaker 1: and it's just been Yes, just one, I'm here waiting,
Speaker 1: I said, getting ready. That's all. But yeah, I will
Speaker 1: say that's a little fun thing because earlier this week,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say Friday, I heard someone very funny on
Speaker 1: the Karen Hunter Show who since we didn't get a
Speaker 1: chance to hear it, think of me being a fan.
Speaker 1: Great job, Flame, Flame, Do you have any more information
Speaker 1: about what we might be able to hear that whole episode?
Speaker 1: For those who missed it, Karen Hunter on her show
Speaker 1: on Serious Radio Channel one six, and I'm doing Foolish
Speaker 1: Fridays with her again on this Friday, so it might
Speaker 1: be well. I don't know if I'm proving myself or
Speaker 1: I'm if I'm an auditioning stage, but they seem to
Speaker 1: love me because you know we're trying to get laugh
Speaker 1: on it. There is an arterior motive. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: get love that I was picked up on series Radio.
Speaker 1: Understand there is an arterior motive because there's always a
Speaker 1: method to my madness, isn't it? Lauren, Well, you did
Speaker 1: a great job. Thank you Nick. Thank you Nick. Y'all
Speaker 1: have to listen to Karen Hunter on Fridays Series Radio
Speaker 1: Foolish Friday. We have a great time. We cover a
Speaker 1: bunch of subjects. I do might ask hesh we because
Speaker 1: y'all know I'm gonna love guru. I've been since I've
Speaker 1: been the husband and the wife, sometimes in the same night,
Speaker 1: depending on who turned it was, how much money was
Speaker 1: involved and what they're in the week. I never bottomed
Speaker 1: on Tuesday because tusday was talk on the read or
Speaker 1: night and you don't want to bottom at the takover reader.
Speaker 1: Let me just say anyway, and that is great. And
Speaker 1: then my show with Tisha k who will be our
Speaker 1: very in Who will be our in student Studio Special
Speaker 1: Guests on the fourteenth of this month, came out on Friday,
Speaker 1: right and it's doing pretty good. Tisha Kay has Tasha
Speaker 1: Ka surprised everybody with this interview because everybody so used
Speaker 1: to being messy and going throwing dirt and slinging. She
Speaker 1: shows you that there's another side. That's growth. I'm telling
Speaker 1: you all right now, nobody stays the same because if
Speaker 1: you stay the same, you stay in the same place.
Speaker 1: You gotta do something different in order to grow. What
Speaker 1: is that quote I've gotten on my one of my
Speaker 1: Instagram pages from Coco Chanelle. She says, in order to
Speaker 1: be different, you must be in order to be Yeah,
Speaker 1: you must be daring or something. What I got it wrong?
Speaker 1: But y'all know, just google this ship. I don't know. Um. Well,
Speaker 1: I know we're gonna have a show filled with laughter
Speaker 1: because you want to keep it light, but we do
Speaker 1: have to discuss one heavy topic to start. Um, it
Speaker 1: has been a hundred years since the Tulsa massacre or
Speaker 1: race mass crut should say, and um Greenwood, So we
Speaker 1: just want to talk about that briefly. We're going to
Speaker 1: acknowledge some things around it and then we can get
Speaker 1: to the laughter. But we'd be remiss if we didn't
Speaker 1: start to show off by acknowledging this so well before
Speaker 1: you started giving us a tangibles. Nicholas. I want Lawrence
Speaker 1: Roight emotional on this because when Lauren was telling me
Speaker 1: about this on her draft here this morning, Lauren was
Speaker 1: charged up about you were you were well, you were
Speaker 1: you were ready to hit stop I was. I watched,
Speaker 1: Um there was a documentary actually on the History Channel
Speaker 1: that premiered yesterday, and I watched it and I was
Speaker 1: just really angry, you know, and um it was a
Speaker 1: two hour documentary. It was really heavy, and I think
Speaker 1: what probably made it even worse is that they tied
Speaker 1: in a lot of what was happening around Black Lives
Speaker 1: Matter and George Floyd and Brianna Taylor and just um
Speaker 1: a lot of different just police involved shooting, you know,
Speaker 1: and it just it was very upsetting. So what I
Speaker 1: was saying to Flame was that I know that there's
Speaker 1: been so many talks about reparations and things like that,
Speaker 1: and the government it's kind of taking the stance of, well,
Speaker 1: we don't really know how to provide reparations for slavery
Speaker 1: because we can't really you know, track who's descendant of
Speaker 1: who and those sort of things. But in the situation
Speaker 1: of Tulsa, there, you guys can very easily track who
Speaker 1: deserves reparations in this instance, UM, and there's just never
Speaker 1: been just has been brought for those UM family members
Speaker 1: that lost their lives a hundred years ago. Tell them
Speaker 1: what triggered the whole incident because that was so interesting
Speaker 1: because I never knew that. Oh okay, so what triggered
Speaker 1: the incident? Based on what I was watching last night, UM,
Speaker 1: there was a man by the name of Jake Rowland.
Speaker 1: He worked at UM this all white shoeshine parlor. The
Speaker 1: white owner of the parlor had about four black employees. However,
Speaker 1: when it was time for them to use the restroom,
Speaker 1: they were never allowed to use the facilities that were
Speaker 1: in the shoeshine parlor. So what he did was he,
Speaker 1: you know, set up this negotiation where his UM black
Speaker 1: employees could go to the Drexel Hotel, which was right
Speaker 1: in the middle of Greenwood, UM, and they could go
Speaker 1: eitherre to use the facilities because that's where the colored
Speaker 1: toilet was. So UM Jake Roland went to the Drexel Hotel. UM.
Speaker 1: The elevator operator was a white woman, and UM Jake
Speaker 1: got into the elevator and the story goes that, you know,
Speaker 1: the elevator jerked or something happened when she moved elevator
Speaker 1: and he ended up like stepping on her foot or
Speaker 1: bumping into her accidentally, and of course she's screaming and
Speaker 1: oh my god, Oh my god, oh my god. So
Speaker 1: you know, Jake being fearful, he ran out of the
Speaker 1: Drexel Hotel and that's literally what started this whole huh. Um,
Speaker 1: it was the catalyst, will say that to this whole massacre.
Speaker 1: You know, they arrested him, he was brought downtown to
Speaker 1: the jail, and so, of course, throughout the couple of
Speaker 1: hours after he was arraigned, this white mob of almost
Speaker 1: seven your people assembled because they were telling the police officers,
Speaker 1: we need to go and lynch him. You know, he
Speaker 1: assaulted a white woman. Um. There was a lot of
Speaker 1: dog whistle terms being used, you know, they were saying,
Speaker 1: you know, assault was a dog whistle term for you know,
Speaker 1: another black man raping a white woman. Um. So, throughout
Speaker 1: the course of the evening, all of these white men
Speaker 1: assembled to basically to have Jake lynched. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, you know, in Greenwood, there was um, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get anybody's name wrong, but it was J. B.
Speaker 1: Stratford and A. J. Smitherman. They were kind of like
Speaker 1: the leaders of the town and ow Gurley, who was
Speaker 1: actually the architect behind Greenwood. They all basically assembled and
Speaker 1: said we need to go protect him. So lots of
Speaker 1: you know, war veterans in the black community came down
Speaker 1: to protect Jake and that started this whole How dare
Speaker 1: you come down here? And that's literally how the massacre started.
Speaker 1: So it shows you that Karen ain't just started. Huh,
Speaker 1: Karen been going on for hundreds of years, Karen even
Speaker 1: just And secondly, uh, why do they loved the holiday
Speaker 1: black men and wape raping white women? You ain't baby,
Speaker 1: Do you understand you ain't got the rape a white woman. Now,
Speaker 1: all you got to do is play for professional be
Speaker 1: a professional athlete. You ain't got the ripe ship. They're
Speaker 1: gonna give it to you. And I'm not saying all right,
Speaker 1: white women, So for y'all get on your bandwag and
Speaker 1: get the holland screaming crame who Flames said? Flames said
Speaker 1: what Flames see? I said, You ain't ain't nobody running
Speaker 1: around try to rape nobody white woman because you're white.
Speaker 1: That is a that is such a myth, but they
Speaker 1: have used that to be a power play for such
Speaker 1: a long time, which is why black women get offended
Speaker 1: when they say when they see these black men marrying
Speaker 1: these white women, because they feel like all of that
Speaker 1: is just pushing back the narrative. And when they're saying, oh,
Speaker 1: your trophy as a white woman, my trophy would be
Speaker 1: a smart woman. I need a backbone. I need somebody
Speaker 1: who's gonna hold me up because I'll work. I just
Speaker 1: need a woman that's gonna clean and you know, make
Speaker 1: sure I washed my ass, like at least twice a week,
Speaker 1: because you're not on bathe that only bathe on show
Speaker 1: that you're real tall. Today I did not, UM, but yeah,
Speaker 1: that's kind of the background of it. It's just even
Speaker 1: with that, even with that, I don't know about you,
Speaker 1: but I will freely admit I was not familiar with
Speaker 1: Black Wall Street and any of that until I went
Speaker 1: to college. I never heard that in grade school, high school,
Speaker 1: in life. It was not until I was at the
Speaker 1: University of California, Berkeley with a woman named June Jordan
Speaker 1: who taught women's studies UM, and she was this countercultural
Speaker 1: lesbian who talked about everything you weren't supposed to talk
Speaker 1: about UM, and she uh introduced, Look, there was no
Speaker 1: black Wall Street. What are you talking about black Wall Street?
Speaker 1: Broke never had never heard of it. And I think
Speaker 1: this is also part of the you've mentioned before in
Speaker 1: the past, the whitewashing of our history and that not
Speaker 1: getting it correct. And I was telling Flame too. There's
Speaker 1: just so many instances of this that we can talk about,
Speaker 1: of just things being covered up. You know, we've talked
Speaker 1: about Seneca Village, which is now the beautiful Central Park,
Speaker 1: and um even Lake Lanier, which is like the biggest
Speaker 1: tourist attraction in Georgia. You know, that was actually a
Speaker 1: black town called Oscarville that was bulldozed by you know,
Speaker 1: white folks and then flooded into this beautiful tourist attraction
Speaker 1: that generates millions of dollars a year. So there's Martha.
Speaker 1: They there's so much that has been until we have
Speaker 1: a true reckoning. And this is where I go back
Speaker 1: to UM. You know, it begins with an apology. It
Speaker 1: begins with apology. We still as a country have not
Speaker 1: acknowledged our history. We have to recognize that we live
Speaker 1: in a country just admit it. We live in a
Speaker 1: country that was built on the backs of slaves, that's all,
Speaker 1: and was stolen from other brown people. We stole the
Speaker 1: land and then you know, we stole this Now. I
Speaker 1: don't really want to build it up myself. Now, come on,
Speaker 1: what we're gonna do, y'all? We need to get some
Speaker 1: labor over here. So that's exactly what happened, and all
Speaker 1: we have to do is just talk about it. We
Speaker 1: have had more years in this country. There have been
Speaker 1: more years of this country in existence with slavery being
Speaker 1: a part of it than without. So to act like
Speaker 1: it's not real and not something that we need to
Speaker 1: discuss so that we can at least begin the process
Speaker 1: of healing and recognizing where we go is just ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Everything else is performative. I knew about that, like near
Speaker 1: because I knew. I heard the stories about it that
Speaker 1: you know, supposed to be kind of haunted. Very poetr guys,
Speaker 1: y'all put these stuff up, all these dead bodies. Um,
Speaker 1: this house is clean, y'all need a little midge bitch?
Speaker 1: What was her name from the movie Humans? Get the
Speaker 1: house clean? Get the What was the name? I know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. What was her name this house is Caroline. Caroline.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I told you I'm in a move today.
Speaker 1: Y'all go broll with it today. But that is very
Speaker 1: and all collectively, all the black tragedies that we have
Speaker 1: had don't even if we if you put them all together,
Speaker 1: according to this country, they still don't even measure to
Speaker 1: the Holocaust. And this will be all of us, from
Speaker 1: Rosewood to Lake Lanier, to the village to uh to
Speaker 1: Toss the Oklahoma. According to them, all of ours combined
Speaker 1: won't even line up to just to to the Holocaust.
Speaker 1: This is what we're saying. So when we say that
Speaker 1: we don't care about what's happening with other cultures, that's
Speaker 1: not what it is. But we're too concerned about what's
Speaker 1: happening with us. I ain't got time to worry about
Speaker 1: what's happening over here over there. Help us fix our ship,
Speaker 1: then we'll help you, because as you can see, once
Speaker 1: they're done with us, y'all just nixt up on the
Speaker 1: sad blood because what they want is what they want
Speaker 1: and they're not gonna stop until they get it. They're
Speaker 1: doing it in our face. The GOP is doing in
Speaker 1: our face, and then telling me what I didn't see
Speaker 1: with my glasses on off, I can see the bullshit
Speaker 1: that y'all pulling. That y'all telling me I didn't see Flame,
Speaker 1: you didn't. That was just the normal tourist day on
Speaker 1: January six. What are you talking about? It's like any
Speaker 1: other tour of the capital, you know. And that actually
Speaker 1: that he even think his mouth to actually say that
Speaker 1: out loud publicly to us, like we stupid Flame. That's
Speaker 1: not the problem is the others who sat there and
Speaker 1: they signed, they co signed on this. The fact that
Speaker 1: there were not ten who believed we at least need
Speaker 1: to have a commission to take a look at what happened.
Speaker 1: Ten people don't tim Republicans don't believe that. Not ten
Speaker 1: Republicans believe that it's necessary to examine what happened on
Speaker 1: January six, completely free of bias and completely free of
Speaker 1: political uh political bias. Right, Um, just like we did
Speaker 1: with September eleven, we had to take a look to
Speaker 1: see exactly what we're wrong. There were failures all the
Speaker 1: way around. How do we prevent this from happening again.
Speaker 1: We cannot sit here and say that we know for
Speaker 1: a fact we will not have another siege on the
Speaker 1: capitol the way we did on January six, there's nothing
Speaker 1: that tells me that that could not happen again. Well,
Speaker 1: I think that's two that speaks to when we talk
Speaker 1: about history, because I think there's a lot of parallels
Speaker 1: that we can kind of draw in the situation from
Speaker 1: Tulsa to what's happening around this whole January six commission.
Speaker 1: And the instance of Tulsa, you know, they had a
Speaker 1: lot of white newspapers that we're putting out these narratives
Speaker 1: saying that, you know, the black people were at fault
Speaker 1: because they came downtown and they started this, and you know,
Speaker 1: it's we don't need to take any responsibility for this
Speaker 1: kind of thing. So and I think in this instance
Speaker 1: of the January six um riot that happened, it's another
Speaker 1: of well, we don't really need to take any fault
Speaker 1: behind this, We don't need to investigate this for let's
Speaker 1: just kind of move on, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: And and we don't address the traumas that are occurring
Speaker 1: in the country, history just continues to repeat itself, and
Speaker 1: that's what we're seeing again in this instance. So, um,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I know, we want to keep it
Speaker 1: light and everything. But um, overall that actress was Zelda Rubinstein.
Speaker 1: Zelda Rubinstein just like they're out there for you. Um.
Speaker 1: But overall, UM, I really just think that, UM, I hope,
Speaker 1: I really want to encourage everybody to go and watch
Speaker 1: this documentary about Tulsa and really just get some rich
Speaker 1: his srea about what happened a hundred years ago and
Speaker 1: also to let's just talk about They also made a
Speaker 1: comment about JB. Stratsforuld have the biggest hotel in basically
Speaker 1: the nation at that time, and how you know, we
Speaker 1: talked about how, you know, black folks don't have things
Speaker 1: like generational wealth and we're not giving back to our
Speaker 1: own communities. But you know, Black Wall Street was the
Speaker 1: biggest example of this, and they were saying how JB.
Speaker 1: Stratsford could have been the next Marriott or you know,
Speaker 1: the next Hyatt or whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 1: So um, overall, there's just there's a lot of wrong
Speaker 1: that's been done to our community and we need some
Speaker 1: type of reparations. There was that was a show that
Speaker 1: came on last year. We talked about it on here.
Speaker 1: I couldn't think of it was real abstract, but they were.
Speaker 1: They brought shed light to the whole Tussa thing. They
Speaker 1: had the two little twins. Remember the movie it came up,
Speaker 1: was real crazy with andrelu Ellis and Journey small ay
Speaker 1: um whatever. It was that they revisited a lot of
Speaker 1: the black Head that we didn't get taught in school
Speaker 1: because they never taught us in school about the Tulsa.
Speaker 1: Ris was never taught that in school either. So when
Speaker 1: I started hearing about that, I'm like, where did that happen?
Speaker 1: I never remember reading or hearing about that when I
Speaker 1: was in school. But when its not a watch man,
Speaker 1: uh miss j watch not watch the other one like something,
Speaker 1: that's it country. So anyway, when they did that, when
Speaker 1: they had their rights, because they relived that, they replayed
Speaker 1: that acted it out. One guy was like, they got
Speaker 1: a piano. I don't even have a fucking piano. The
Speaker 1: jealousy of you worried about what somebody else has has,
Speaker 1: even though that it was racist. But that's why I
Speaker 1: tell people all the time, baby focused on you. If
Speaker 1: if I'm focused on me, I can't worry about this
Speaker 1: person get more than me or this person has less
Speaker 1: than me. I'm focused on me. If everybody focused on
Speaker 1: the sales, but that was not even that that just
Speaker 1: that was the first time I really started hearing because
Speaker 1: I had heard it before, but I didn't believe it
Speaker 1: because it wasn't in the history books that we were
Speaker 1: taught in school. So I'm like, I never heard of
Speaker 1: that ship. Y'all made that up. They have since implemented
Speaker 1: um this curriculum though about Tulsa into the Oklahoma school district.
Speaker 1: So I will say that they're trying to right some wrongs.
Speaker 1: You know, it's not a better way than never situation,
Speaker 1: but they are, you know, trying to implement what actually
Speaker 1: happened in that town. It's a part of their curricula.
Speaker 1: Can we also shout out That's why I think it's
Speaker 1: interesting that Howard University is having this conversation to write.
Speaker 1: Howard is saying, you know, we need to re examine
Speaker 1: who decides that this is the history we need to
Speaker 1: teach and these are the classics, and uh, let's let's
Speaker 1: reexamine that. Guess what, there were black voices, There were
Speaker 1: voices that were women. There are women that there were
Speaker 1: women who were counterculture who are strong voices. Why are
Speaker 1: we not examining these? I can make a strong argument
Speaker 1: that I genuinely believe Nikki Giovanni should be included in
Speaker 1: any of the greats when we're talking about commentary on
Speaker 1: the political diaspora or where we are as a community
Speaker 1: and as a culture. But I don't know that everyone
Speaker 1: knows Nikki the way I think they should. Zora Neelie Herston.
Speaker 1: There's so many black female writers who I feel like
Speaker 1: we're able to maybe move and talk about things in
Speaker 1: different areas that others just weren't giving voice to. Right.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so anyway, yeah, I definitely agree. So for
Speaker 1: those of you all who are unfamiliar with Nikki Giovanni,
Speaker 1: not only is she a great point, but she don't
Speaker 1: man speaking her man. Oh, she's flaming Monroe before even
Speaker 1: flame Monroe was born. That lady plays no games with you,
Speaker 1: A and be. She was the first woman to blow
Speaker 1: the whistle on Bill Cosby and he destroyed her career.
Speaker 1: Payback is a bill, Bill You're now two oh seven days,
Speaker 1: three four six one. That would be another one that
Speaker 1: we can talk about you, But another one we can
Speaker 1: bring to light two is miss Ida by Welles. She
Speaker 1: was the first one that actually brought lynching to light
Speaker 1: and what was actually happening. She was one of the
Speaker 1: pioneers on the front, though not the lady. But you know,
Speaker 1: we lived in the projects in Chicago, it was called Wales.
Speaker 1: How about so many of us lived in the projects
Speaker 1: and didn't even know who Ida by Wales was, which
Speaker 1: is such a problem, it really was. They never even
Speaker 1: taught that in the schools that we just knew that
Speaker 1: we lived in Wales projects. They didn't all that I
Speaker 1: live in the Attab's or either I live in the Whale.
Speaker 1: But a lot of people never knew who Atta by
Speaker 1: Wales was growing up living in the project's named after
Speaker 1: I Whale. Can we'll go even a little further than
Speaker 1: that that you used to. One would pretend that they
Speaker 1: were from Like I can remember going to clubs early
Speaker 1: on that say I'm from all Gayle Gardens because it
Speaker 1: sounded tough, right, And then if somebody asked you too much,
Speaker 1: well what part uh? You're trying to dance their way
Speaker 1: out of it. Because somewhere in there they had also
Speaker 1: convinced us that there was a sentence of bravado that
Speaker 1: came from you know, coming from one of the projects,
Speaker 1: as you know. So I think This is also part
Speaker 1: of the whole whitewashing there. Did I have a project
Speaker 1: provado when you first met me? Well, you didn't necessarily
Speaker 1: seem soft. Let's just say that, you know security, I've
Speaker 1: an attack by the co host. Help me, Jesus. So
Speaker 1: that's how you're gonna do me. Y'all just gonna let
Speaker 1: throw me about it. I don't even fit up under bus.
Speaker 1: Goddamn you ever seen that the thing they're trying to
Speaker 1: roll the weights over to me and his asses baby
Speaker 1: to roll. We just gonna do that at home. The
Speaker 1: way stopped at the fact they ain't even made it
Speaker 1: to my ass. I'm gonna go ahead and bring in
Speaker 1: some flamemts. I know that they kind of want to
Speaker 1: touch on this topic. So, um, let's see this is
Speaker 1: somebody new. Let's see Elaine had not had her, had
Speaker 1: him had them. Let's see if we can get a
Speaker 1: couple of new folks in today to talk about this
Speaker 1: topic in particular. And then we're gonna make it funny
Speaker 1: with somebody on here from Tulsa. And they said that
Speaker 1: they weren't even taught that in school. Yeah I saw
Speaker 1: that too. They're like they're trying to revamp the curriculum. Now,
Speaker 1: I saw that as a part of the special that
Speaker 1: was um. But you know what they're doing. They might
Speaker 1: be teaching that over there, but they're removing black history
Speaker 1: from a lot of schools. My kids have never learned
Speaker 1: black history in the schools here there. We Oh, I
Speaker 1: didn't either. Black history was just you celebrated Martin Luther King.
Speaker 1: That was black history. That was when growing up from school.
Speaker 1: And that's why I'm so grateful that I went to
Speaker 1: an historically black college, just because I was able to
Speaker 1: learn so much new information that I just wasn't aware of.
Speaker 1: Hey Cassie, Hey y'all, how y'all good? How are you?
Speaker 1: I am good? I never learned about Tulsa up here
Speaker 1: in the Pacific Northwest. I remember telling you guys prior
Speaker 1: on a U Live that I really didn't know anything
Speaker 1: about even HBCUs until my daughter got accepted. So we're
Speaker 1: really sheltered up here as far as our history unless
Speaker 1: you go out searching for it. So, and I have
Speaker 1: a family member who lived in Tulsa, Oklahoma there there
Speaker 1: my wife family, but they didn't want to admit that either,
Speaker 1: well I did. They didn't want to You know we're
Speaker 1: not racist, We're not this, We're not that it happened
Speaker 1: in your backyard. And they only started learning about it
Speaker 1: last year when George Floyd was murdered and they lived
Speaker 1: it down there. So I mean, it's a crazy and
Speaker 1: terrible topic. And Hi everybody, Hi, Well, I think the
Speaker 1: other thing too that we can know, Cassie, is that
Speaker 1: one the what happened in Tulsa was not discussed for
Speaker 1: seventy five years. Hi, Corey, thank you so much for
Speaker 1: joining no problem. I'll hateful I finally caught you guys.
Speaker 1: Um because I'm always busy. I have a song with
Speaker 1: autism Flame, and I've talked about that um online before,
Speaker 1: but I um um uh. Senior year, a couple of
Speaker 1: us got together and we protested the year before to
Speaker 1: get black history put in our school's corecu um So.
Speaker 1: Because I'm my own, I'm kind of like the only child.
Speaker 1: My sister and I like eighteen years apart, I did
Speaker 1: a lot of reading on my own, so I taught
Speaker 1: my son it wasn't taught in school. I didn't. I
Speaker 1: heard about Tulsa through the game because he had a
Speaker 1: Black Wall Street tattoo, and at first I was like,
Speaker 1: what he know? I don't think he really know what
Speaker 1: he's talking about. Don't you really know what are you
Speaker 1: talking about? So I left it alone. And then um
Speaker 1: Watchman came first, and I was like, the game was
Speaker 1: talking about black wall streets, so maybe he didn't know
Speaker 1: what he was talking about. And then love Craft Country
Speaker 1: came and then it really tore into it and I
Speaker 1: kept searching for stuff and searching for stuff, and I
Speaker 1: couldn't find it. Um, but if we do our children
Speaker 1: a disservice if we don't go out and teach our
Speaker 1: own children, because they're not going to teach it in
Speaker 1: school because they're trying to whitewash everything. I'm also Indigenous,
Speaker 1: so the government sanctioned genocide that has happened, that is
Speaker 1: still going on within the indigenous community as well as
Speaker 1: the black and brown community, is still happening, and it's
Speaker 1: still doing it. I think that we really, really really
Speaker 1: need to talk about these things. We have to, because
Speaker 1: if we don't, it's just gonna keep happening and happening
Speaker 1: and happening. And I'm tired. I have PTSD. I'm tired.
Speaker 1: I'm tired of seeing another black man gunned down. Dragged
Speaker 1: all over. My son, like I said, has autism and
Speaker 1: he doesn't know how to deal with all of this.
Speaker 1: He hasn't had bad interactions with the police, but he's
Speaker 1: starting to hate all of them. My grandfather was a
Speaker 1: police officer, so it's it's I don't want him to
Speaker 1: hate all because all cops aren't bad, but it's not
Speaker 1: enough bookments, as you said the other day, Yeah, thank well,
Speaker 1: thank you for sharing that story and letting us know
Speaker 1: that what you said about being indigenous, because Lauren, you
Speaker 1: you have a story about they just found like two
Speaker 1: hundreds something in Canada. Yeah. So there was a story
Speaker 1: that came out about um these like schools that were
Speaker 1: created for these young um Indigenous children where they were
Speaker 1: basically sent to this boarding schools what they were trying
Speaker 1: to call it, but the purpose behind it was to
Speaker 1: strip them of their heritage and their culture and kind
Speaker 1: of reassimilate them into society with more of a white
Speaker 1: perspective and not with what their cultural heritage was. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So they just found two hundred and fifteen kids that
Speaker 1: were basically murdered in Canada, and Canada is trying to
Speaker 1: kind of cover up what happened around these different schools
Speaker 1: and the Kuda Gras is that the last school closed.
Speaker 1: So this is very recent. It's not something that's like
Speaker 1: happened years ago. This is recent tragedy that's happening in
Speaker 1: the indigenous community, you know. And even taking it back
Speaker 1: to Tulsa, they talked about the trail of tears and
Speaker 1: how all of these Indigenous folks were, you know, forcibly
Speaker 1: moved out of their homes under their communities. So, you know,
Speaker 1: as black folks, we talk about, you know, we need reparations,
Speaker 1: but Indigenous folks have been brutally traumatized for so long
Speaker 1: in this country. My family didn't do the trail of tears,
Speaker 1: and I can't be federally recognized and I am part
Speaker 1: of the last generation of um you would say, have
Speaker 1: enough percentage of Indigenous blood according to what white people say.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Cassie, No, I just wanted to say you
Speaker 1: were gonna say something earlier about that. We only been
Speaker 1: talking about Tulsa for about seventy five years. But I
Speaker 1: wanted to go back to what Nick said. I agree,
Speaker 1: we need an apology, acknowledge, and then let's move forward.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm so happy that we're searching, and we're
Speaker 1: looking for the information. And yeah, they're trying to whitewash
Speaker 1: everything and they're trying to erase history. But if we
Speaker 1: don't learn about our history and really understand it, we're
Speaker 1: gonna repeat it. We don't want to repeat it, so
Speaker 1: we have to continue to educate. So let me tell
Speaker 1: you how this country works. If we get an apology,
Speaker 1: an acknowledgement, that's what I'm saying. I don't want to know.
Speaker 1: I don't want the apology. I want the acknowledgement because
Speaker 1: you're not going to get the apology and the acknowledgement.
Speaker 1: If you do get both of them, you won't get
Speaker 1: any money. That is this country well, And I think
Speaker 1: that's that's part of it too, though, is that they're
Speaker 1: the mayor in Tulsa is saying, oh, we need to
Speaker 1: do an investigation to see if all of these you know,
Speaker 1: mass graves were actually a thing. So they did this
Speaker 1: excavation in Okan Cemetery, they found all these bodies. But
Speaker 1: now the mayor is like, well, we need to examine
Speaker 1: these bodies to see if there was actual trauma to
Speaker 1: them to verify this story. So there's like it's like
Speaker 1: you're constantly moving, you know, the goal line, if we
Speaker 1: want to call it in that sense. That so you
Speaker 1: first you said you had to find the bodies, Well
Speaker 1: now you have to decide if the body goddamn granddad
Speaker 1: at your granddaddy. You ain't got to dig at your granddaddy.
Speaker 1: How many bodies do he responsible for? That's all you
Speaker 1: gotta do. It's frustrating. It's not that hard to find
Speaker 1: out who came from enslaved people. People ancestors were enslaved.
Speaker 1: The slave um with the grid, I forget what it's called.
Speaker 1: You can find it if you know, you can ask
Speaker 1: for what you're trying to say. Cassie, you know the
Speaker 1: list that they used to keep not it was before
Speaker 1: the census, before we had names. It was just Negro girls. Five.
Speaker 1: You know, each one of us carry a last name
Speaker 1: that comes from people who owned enslaved African and so
Speaker 1: not each one of us I'm talking about. But it's
Speaker 1: not that hard to find out who whose ancestors were enslaved.
Speaker 1: They just don't want to do the work and they
Speaker 1: don't want to give no money. Do me a favorite
Speaker 1: track man down because I just want to know. I
Speaker 1: know I was a difficult bitch. When I was a slap.
Speaker 1: I know I talked ship, I got my ass, but
Speaker 1: I was still in corn bread all the time. I
Speaker 1: don't even know was still in corn bread because I
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna be hungry. First of all, you gonna put
Speaker 1: me in the hot ass field all day, no acogy,
Speaker 1: I gotta go. I what if I gotta go pee?
Speaker 1: I gotta ask if I gotta go pee. That's why
Speaker 1: black people and on time now, because we couldn't wear watches,
Speaker 1: because we had no sense of time. When they told
Speaker 1: us to start, we started. When they told us to stop,
Speaker 1: we stopped. Said nobody told me to stop. So that's
Speaker 1: why I know what time it is that when they
Speaker 1: saidin't be here nine o'clock, I'll be like, when what
Speaker 1: time is that? Because they nobody. I think that's a
Speaker 1: valid I really believe when you say that, because we
Speaker 1: a lot of black folks. I tell I'm very timely person,
Speaker 1: and I gotta I gotta I guess I gotta attribute
Speaker 1: that to my mama. But I maybe when you say that,
Speaker 1: I really do you say, see people, I believe that,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna down for you. It's so much generational trauma.
Speaker 1: That we have. And I get it from both sides
Speaker 1: because I have that the colonization trauma, and then I
Speaker 1: have the slavery trauma. And then my poor granddad he
Speaker 1: was in between because he half white. So it's just
Speaker 1: like it's just like it's it's it's crazy. My son
Speaker 1: gets upset when I try to make him watch things
Speaker 1: because I can't. I can't. I don't like it. I
Speaker 1: have that issue. I was explaining to Isaiah. I was
Speaker 1: explained to my fourteen year old just the other day.
Speaker 1: We were talking about we were watching something and so
Speaker 1: we were talking about slavery and everything, and I was
Speaker 1: telling how wretched, you know, things were, and I was
Speaker 1: and I'll explained to my children that we the underground
Speaker 1: Railroad would not have worked without good white people helping
Speaker 1: us because we couldn't We could not be seen on
Speaker 1: the horse, we could not carry a weapon. You couldn't
Speaker 1: even look at white persons at a without being or
Speaker 1: hurt or made. So I was explaining to her about
Speaker 1: the Blessed Station of under Age. We were watching Harriet,
Speaker 1: and so I was telling her the story because I
Speaker 1: read so many she she was watching with me. But
Speaker 1: but it doesn't tell the darker side. You know, it
Speaker 1: was telling the determination of Harry. But I was telling
Speaker 1: her if they would have gotten caught, they were cutting
Speaker 1: the man's penises off and they were doing wretched things.
Speaker 1: So I was telling her that when they wanted slaves
Speaker 1: to procreate sometimes and they weren't, further, they will. I
Speaker 1: read stories where they will put bags over the people here.
Speaker 1: So say Cassie is a thirty yeld woman, she has
Speaker 1: an eighteen year old son. They will put them in
Speaker 1: the room together other people with bags on their head
Speaker 1: and make people have sex with each other. So you
Speaker 1: could actually be having sex with your mother or father,
Speaker 1: or brother or sister to procreate. The stories about slavery,
Speaker 1: if you really dig deep, will make you your heart
Speaker 1: just bleed. Like so, you know, what we don't know
Speaker 1: is what we hear because none of us were there.
Speaker 1: So when you hear those stories, you'd like it sounds unimaginable.
Speaker 1: But what kind of people are this cruel to do
Speaker 1: such inhumane things to another human being? And the GP
Speaker 1: right now and then say it never happened, Bingo, it happens.
Speaker 1: I don't know about you, but I have threas my
Speaker 1: ancestors visit me and my dreams, stuff happening. Oh man,
Speaker 1: don't visit me because they have you asked me for
Speaker 1: money and ship I leave me alone. I ain't gonna
Speaker 1: How are you hey? I saw you the other day
Speaker 1: and I was looking just like this. So share us,
Speaker 1: share with us some of your thoughts on what we've
Speaker 1: been discussing so far. Well as a descendant of the
Speaker 1: riots that happened in Forsyth County or come in Georgia, UM,
Speaker 1: and I had a flashback of what Flame would say, Oh,
Speaker 1: y'all ain't really y'all related the song. So I got
Speaker 1: that a lot, especially when I was in the ninth
Speaker 1: grade of Wentford came down with her show and I
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I'm a descendent of these are the
Speaker 1: visuals um with that incident, it caused a lot of
Speaker 1: infighting within our family about the families about the land
Speaker 1: that we settled on in Buford, that's in Genet next door.
Speaker 1: So most of the people with the riots, those riots
Speaker 1: happened everywhere in the United States that had a large
Speaker 1: population of black people, that had a lot of population
Speaker 1: of the natives to the U S. So UM with
Speaker 1: the one that happened in forsythe county or present day
Speaker 1: come in Georgia. Um, most of the inhabitants that that
Speaker 1: I descend from, they seek refuge in Hall County, they
Speaker 1: seek refuge and uh in Gwynette County. So that's where
Speaker 1: my family on my on the paternal side, where they
Speaker 1: seek refuge. And they were able to uh regroup by
Speaker 1: land and uh we have a street or road in
Speaker 1: uh go for Georgia, that's Robert's Drive that's named after
Speaker 1: the family. But of course what the gentrification that's going
Speaker 1: on off there that's in threat also so UM growing
Speaker 1: up and it's said that we are black as black people,
Speaker 1: we don't believe the wealth that we come from the
Speaker 1: royalty that we come from. Um, that's the first thing
Speaker 1: that we would do is uh marcas And it was
Speaker 1: like no. And that's what I went through in the
Speaker 1: ninth grade when Oprah Renthy came down and they had
Speaker 1: hold that Williams leading to Mark just up in for
Speaker 1: a sight. But they never uh uh seek to give
Speaker 1: us reparations or give our people reparation reparations. But they
Speaker 1: did cause a lot of family splits within the black
Speaker 1: communities or the people who descend from the individuals who
Speaker 1: were displaced, who were killed as a result of the
Speaker 1: riots that went on in uh Comings, Georgia or Foresight County. So, Hannah,
Speaker 1: let me interject here, because what I think you're talking
Speaker 1: about is what we briefly touched on around Lake Lanear, correct, right,
Speaker 1: So you have Shannon's Hill. Most of my relatives, I
Speaker 1: think they descend from Shannon's Hill. So she listening understandings,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but um, that's what's unfortunate is that we
Speaker 1: don't know our history, and the matter of fact, that
Speaker 1: we don't respect the oral history that's actually more um
Speaker 1: credible than what's written out there, that's in ritten or
Speaker 1: that's in print right now out So, of course, with
Speaker 1: all these riots that happen all in the all over
Speaker 1: the country, I will say that pertains to our people
Speaker 1: and their own their land ownership. One of the most
Speaker 1: important things that that that they would do was burned
Speaker 1: down the court I'm sorry, it's a plane flout of
Speaker 1: It's okay, we can still hear you. Keep going. What
Speaker 1: are the main things they would do? Would the main
Speaker 1: thing they would do will burn down the courthouse. The
Speaker 1: courthouse contained the records. So when you're trying to find
Speaker 1: out who owns what. And it's that another um. You
Speaker 1: couldn't you couldn't stick your claim because they burned down
Speaker 1: the records. And then that's when they will come in
Speaker 1: and confiscate the land, even though that is Um Parker's land.
Speaker 1: But now Mr Johnson, he took the land because you
Speaker 1: can't prove even though you actually have the paper, your commentation,
Speaker 1: the document, original documentation that's in the courthouse was burned down,
Speaker 1: so with um. And that's what's unfortunate that happened everywhere
Speaker 1: you had rosewood. That happened on both sides of my
Speaker 1: paternal side, on his his maternal and paternal one side
Speaker 1: of the family was driven south and the other side
Speaker 1: of the family was driven from North Florida, South Georgia
Speaker 1: up to North Georgia. So once you know history, it's
Speaker 1: up to us to believe us what we cite the
Speaker 1: order history, what happened or what happened to our people.
Speaker 1: Too many of us don't have older people in our
Speaker 1: families that we sit down and listen to those stories.
Speaker 1: Because big Mama, Big Mama is now thirty eight years old.
Speaker 1: Big Mama ain't never been less than sixty eight, Big
Speaker 1: Mama is now about thirty eight, thirty thirty four, Big
Speaker 1: Mama still hanging out with the young kids. We don't,
Speaker 1: we don't, we have no book. We're gonna say about that. Well,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, Wait a minute, Hannah, we have not
Speaker 1: been taught to respect the elders the way that we
Speaker 1: were taught. We were taught in my generation to respect
Speaker 1: the elders. Listen to the elders. Take some past, some
Speaker 1: patience with this young generation that feels so unentitled. Now
Speaker 1: what generation is that, z x LGBT, I don't know. Ship. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that this new generation, they feel entitled. They feel like
Speaker 1: they everything should be handed to them. They because they
Speaker 1: feel like they worked for it when they didn't. We
Speaker 1: did all the work for them, and older people, even
Speaker 1: older than me, don't even get acknowledged for that. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I just had to get that point out. Come on
Speaker 1: hand and tell me what you were saying, baby, But
Speaker 1: I would say with that, if you do the research.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, another plane is going. We can hear you
Speaker 1: hand were sing. Okay, I'm sorry, okay, so um. But
Speaker 1: the thing is, if you do the research. A hundred
Speaker 1: years ago, majority of the mothers. We're thirteen, fourteen, fifteen
Speaker 1: years old. They were married to an older man. So
Speaker 1: when people say that, it's like, okay. The only difference
Speaker 1: is we don't have the the marriage aspect of it.
Speaker 1: But a lot of our big mamas and big mamas
Speaker 1: and great grandmama's and things like that, they were young.
Speaker 1: Now in my case, not my girl, not my grandmother.
Speaker 1: Um but um, if she would have lived, she would
Speaker 1: be in a hundreds right now. But if you do
Speaker 1: the research, many of our great grandmothers and grandmothers were young.
Speaker 1: They were under eighteen years old. The aspect that's missing
Speaker 1: in the present day. Let me finished. The aspect that's
Speaker 1: missing today is that they're not married or attached to
Speaker 1: a significant other. But I get what you're saying with
Speaker 1: the whore or history, And I was fortunate. That was
Speaker 1: one of the conversations that I had. Two conversations that
Speaker 1: I had yesterday, one was at the graduation party, is
Speaker 1: that we believe that our school systems are bad. I
Speaker 1: was fortunate that I went to a priority Black school,
Speaker 1: but a Primariti Black high school where the educators thought
Speaker 1: it was important for us to learn black history. And
Speaker 1: then with that, um, My school system that I I
Speaker 1: matriculated from was on the fining stand. It was one
Speaker 1: of the bad school districts. When it was, it put
Speaker 1: out a lot of high functioning individuals. Now, uh I was.
Speaker 1: I think the year we had black history um in
Speaker 1: our schools was. I think they started it when I
Speaker 1: was in the left grade and I was. I was
Speaker 1: fortunate in ninety one to have black black history, but
Speaker 1: I was taught black history from my parents. I was
Speaker 1: taught black history as a young child from the educators.
Speaker 1: That's why I always I'm a big component that we
Speaker 1: need to have our own well, I think, but I
Speaker 1: think Canada's why I would I even want to say this.
Speaker 1: I think that in a lot of ways we've talked
Speaker 1: to out how we have to, you know, are it's
Speaker 1: unfortunate that our parents have kind of taken on the
Speaker 1: burden of the responsibility of teaching us black history. Because
Speaker 1: while you say that you were able to get you know,
Speaker 1: black education in your school, I wasn't able to. You know.
Speaker 1: Flame has said that she wasn't able to casting in
Speaker 1: the other flamets and in regards to in terms of
Speaker 1: you know, the grie ELTs and stuff that we have.
Speaker 1: I totally hear your point. I think in a way,
Speaker 1: you and flame Er kind of saying two different things.
Speaker 1: I think in a way, flame is kind of saying
Speaker 1: that nowadays the we don't respect our elders as much.
Speaker 1: I would disagree because I have a great grandmother that's
Speaker 1: a hundred and one years old. But I'm saying not
Speaker 1: all of us. But I think I was raised right,
Speaker 1: you know. So, but I'm just saying I think you
Speaker 1: and Flamer kind of saying something different in terms of, yes,
Speaker 1: you know, we had young people that were marrying older,
Speaker 1: but they were still living longer and still had that
Speaker 1: respect for whoever their offspring were of what's happening. So
Speaker 1: we totally hear what you're saying. And as always, you know,
Speaker 1: we appreciate you for coming on and just you know,
Speaker 1: sharing your knowledge, especially on Lake Laner, you know, and
Speaker 1: I mean to be a descendant of that and to
Speaker 1: kind of speak on that. It's it's really important that
Speaker 1: you know, we're we share where we come from. So absolutely,
Speaker 1: thank you. Hannah. Can we limited to a three minute version? Please?
Speaker 1: We needed three minutes? Please? Three minutes? Hello? Hi, Hi,
Speaker 1: So so you know listen, um, Yes, I'm with the
Speaker 1: black the Black history, um, the Black Wall Street ladies
Speaker 1: and gentlemen. Again, I didn't learn about Black Wall Street
Speaker 1: until I went to an hbc U right. Um. Then again,
Speaker 1: I was looking at the munary reason studying myself, and
Speaker 1: one of the things that really caught my attention, like
Speaker 1: a lot of people say, oh, well, let's let's rebuild
Speaker 1: Black Wall Street. Well, what they've done specifically in your
Speaker 1: local communities, they have made it so where you can't,
Speaker 1: we can't really rebuild and get that property to rebuild
Speaker 1: that Black Wall Street because how they designed the properties
Speaker 1: right and if you notice how in the black neighborhoods
Speaker 1: they ensure that they put us in the middle of
Speaker 1: the city. So therefore they can have highways running through
Speaker 1: so just in case if they have to put down
Speaker 1: a movement, or just in case they want to shift
Speaker 1: this out, they can. So do understand this has been
Speaker 1: centuries in centuries in centuries of of of strategy that
Speaker 1: they've done to ensure that Black Wall Street don't happen again,
Speaker 1: right and so and so here we are. You know,
Speaker 1: there are some schools I know next year I'll be
Speaker 1: teaching African American studies and law in law studies right,
Speaker 1: and so a lot of schools don't have that. Uh.
Speaker 1: I know here in Florida, they're talking about the critical
Speaker 1: race theory to go away, and they want to get
Speaker 1: away with talking about African American uh history because they
Speaker 1: say it's not important to discuss. However, it is important
Speaker 1: to discuss and it is a part of history and
Speaker 1: it should be a part of the said curriculum. But
Speaker 1: I do I, I do believe that it should be discussed.
Speaker 1: Our history should be discussed because it is a main
Speaker 1: corridor of the of the of the American history. And
Speaker 1: I always say this, Until white people, you know, realize
Speaker 1: that racism and white supremacy is their issue instead of
Speaker 1: a Black issue that they need to empathize with, then
Speaker 1: this country can start making some changes and turning some corners. Um.
Speaker 1: But I also when I go down and think about
Speaker 1: just the black family, listen, we have to do better
Speaker 1: with our children. We have to start educating our children. Uh.
Speaker 1: We have to start and they know who they are,
Speaker 1: because if we keep relying on the system to tell
Speaker 1: them who they are, then they won't know. So I
Speaker 1: do believe that we as as young black parents. Uh,
Speaker 1: from what I've seen, because I teach you how to
Speaker 1: predominantly black school, you know, you have the children partying
Speaker 1: with the moms. You know, you know that's not how
Speaker 1: it's supposed to be. Don't start talking about people's parenting
Speaker 1: skills on this show. Don't do that now. Oh no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no, no no, no, no, no, I'm not you know. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, at the end of the day, we we
Speaker 1: have to do we have to do better with educating,
Speaker 1: educating our our children about the history and the importance. UM.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question. If you what if
Speaker 1: you win city council, You're still gonna be a teacher.
Speaker 1: I am going to try, although I may i uh,
Speaker 1: due to the schedule that we have, UM, I can't.
Speaker 1: I don't know. But due to the schedule, it's a
Speaker 1: very stringuous schedule. UM. But I don't have to definitely
Speaker 1: balance myself. But again, I won't know till I get there.
Speaker 1: But I would love, I would love, love love to
Speaker 1: continue teaching. I may go into the being a professor
Speaker 1: because that's what they're pushing me towarwards. Um. And because
Speaker 1: I have my durs doctorate, that is what they're really
Speaker 1: pushing me towards because at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: it's a more flexible schedule. But I'm telling you I
Speaker 1: love nurturing the young minds. Um. I teach high school,
Speaker 1: so I love nurturing those minds, um and and enabling
Speaker 1: them to to see the light. Because if you see
Speaker 1: the light that comes on their face about history and
Speaker 1: about black history, it's it's breathtaking. But again, to answer
Speaker 1: your question, Flame, I won't I won't know that until
Speaker 1: I get into office, and more than likely i'll become
Speaker 1: a professor. Girl, you missed the lust conversation we had
Speaker 1: about the light, and see now you're telling them to
Speaker 1: go see the light. And the old lady in the
Speaker 1: movie said, don't go to the light, Caroline, don't go
Speaker 1: stay away for the light, Caroline. No, that's great, Allison.
Speaker 1: And when's your election November two? So what you don't
Speaker 1: know is that I do Love Lounge it in the
Speaker 1: evenings when I feel it. But every Thursday, for the
Speaker 1: month of June, every Thursdays, Love Lounge is dedicated to
Speaker 1: Allison's campaign. So when you come on on Thursday nights,
Speaker 1: we're gonna put Allison's campaign her thing up for her campaign.
Speaker 1: This is not her personal cashop. This is for her campaign.
Speaker 1: She's running for city council in Lakeland, Florida, and money helps.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you money else. So every Thursday for the
Speaker 1: month of June, that's what we're doing. So y'all, cheap asses,
Speaker 1: come on over to Thursday nights on right here on
Speaker 1: Instagram so we can donate to Allison's because guess what,
Speaker 1: and she sent you a car with an ed pit. Girl,
Speaker 1: you looked a little fatter on that picture than you are.
Speaker 1: That what diet you've been on because you look skin
Speaker 1: you know, listen, listen, I I've been doing some exercise.
Speaker 1: I've been doing some exercise. You know, listen, you are
Speaker 1: need to so I I you know, I need friend. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so so I. So I am just slimming down because
Speaker 1: I keep mindful ladies and gentlemen that our health is
Speaker 1: of importance. And so I definitely I'm a very serious
Speaker 1: I have diabetes running my family, so I want to
Speaker 1: ensure that I am around at fifty five living healthy.
Speaker 1: I completely agree with what you said about we have
Speaker 1: to start at home with our black children because what um,
Speaker 1: what Hannah was saying was that they have told. They
Speaker 1: tell us what we can't be, we can't do better.
Speaker 1: And when you grow up here and that as a parent,
Speaker 1: you tell that you you ain't gonna be shipped, You
Speaker 1: ain't gonna never be now, you ain't gonna do nothing
Speaker 1: that sits on your keys spirit, that sits. They say
Speaker 1: words have power, and I sometimes disagree with that, but
Speaker 1: it depends on who you're saying it too, because when
Speaker 1: it's your own kid, they hear that all the time,
Speaker 1: that that sits with them. So they feel like, I
Speaker 1: don't have to get better because you already told me
Speaker 1: I will never be nothing. Let me tell you this,
Speaker 1: let me and I'll and I'll get off. Let me
Speaker 1: tell you this my mother when I was growing up.
Speaker 1: When I was growing up, I told my mother I
Speaker 1: wanted to be a nurse, I wanted to be a
Speaker 1: flight I wanted to fly airplanes. Anything that I ever
Speaker 1: told my mother that I wanted to be, she always said,
Speaker 1: go do it right. And what that did for me
Speaker 1: and now it is you can see it manifest now
Speaker 1: because anything that I want to do, I go do it.
Speaker 1: So just by my mom telling me, never telling me
Speaker 1: you can't do it, That's why I go like I
Speaker 1: go because she enabled. She told me that I could
Speaker 1: do whatever, and I believe that and now it is
Speaker 1: manifested to me as an adult. So yes, I concur
Speaker 1: with your statement. High Nick Uh concur with your statement. Listen,
Speaker 1: tell your children, yeah, go bed, because guarantee they'll just
Speaker 1: do anything I'm telling. They don't listen to me, They
Speaker 1: talk back and tell me to hell up all that
Speaker 1: I can't do it. Well, thank you, Allison, thank you,
Speaker 1: Thank you. Care in Lakeland, Florida. She's running for city council.
Speaker 1: What's happening weighing, We wait on your opinion. Come on
Speaker 1: with you know everything that Allison said. I'm going back
Speaker 1: to Hannah. I just think there's so much flame. I'm
Speaker 1: having technical difficulties on this end. So I was just
Speaker 1: trying to reboot that server and all of that. It's
Speaker 1: just everybody wants to act up today. So I could hear,
Speaker 1: but I couldn't see. But you know, you know, we've
Speaker 1: talked about the power of words from from parents. I
Speaker 1: think that's one of the reasons I have such a
Speaker 1: an affinity for black women, right I was raised by
Speaker 1: a black woman, and there's so many black women in
Speaker 1: my life. That I was always just encouraged and support it,
Speaker 1: you know. UM, So I think that bleeds into everything
Speaker 1: that I say and do and and how I kind
Speaker 1: of moved throughout life. And it's not just from the
Speaker 1: one because times the dad, especially when you're a daddy's girl,
Speaker 1: the dad has a huge bearing over his daughter's life
Speaker 1: with the things that he said. You know that I
Speaker 1: am a daddy's girl. Definitely, dad says someone you was
Speaker 1: a living and hurt your feelings. It will still hurt
Speaker 1: your feelings to this day if you had never talked
Speaker 1: about him to him, if he did, I'm not I'm
Speaker 1: just saying's girl, And I think I will say this too.
Speaker 1: I think that um, we have seen UM that there
Speaker 1: can be a different sometimes and young women who have
Speaker 1: a really strong relationship with their fathers and those those
Speaker 1: who do not not. I want to be careful here
Speaker 1: because I'm not trying to generalize or or categorize, but UM,
Speaker 1: they tend to the ones I have known. I will
Speaker 1: use I statements to those that I have known who
Speaker 1: have had a strong relationship with their father tend to
Speaker 1: move differently and and don't tolerate the same level of
Speaker 1: things from UM. Maybe the men that they date and
Speaker 1: things like that. I mean, I would agree with that,
Speaker 1: And honestly, it's it's interesting because like my best friends,
Speaker 1: like we're before, out of all four of us, I
Speaker 1: am the only one that actually has a relationship with
Speaker 1: my father. All three of my other best friends have
Speaker 1: either no relationship or they just don't have a relationship
Speaker 1: with their father. So in a lot of ways, they
Speaker 1: try to say that my dad is like their pseudo dad,
Speaker 1: But it's a lot of trauma and a lot of
Speaker 1: hurt there. It's it really is, and it's really it's
Speaker 1: it's it's really sad to see sometimes, So I would
Speaker 1: I would agree with that, Nick for sure. Yeah, and Flame,
Speaker 1: I'm going back to you know, I wish everyone but
Speaker 1: the world is so crazy. I wish if I really
Speaker 1: could get to know your children and how impressive they are,
Speaker 1: because I think it's I think it's jarring almost people
Speaker 1: like wait a minute, what, oh my god? Because uh,
Speaker 1: you know, and no one has favorites. Everyone loves everyone equally.
Speaker 1: I get that. But I think you know who I
Speaker 1: connected with immediately the minute I met her because she's
Speaker 1: over the lunatic aspisces like you. But she's a performer,
Speaker 1: you know, And I like lunatic as spics, like you
Speaker 1: all pisces performers, and it's just wait a minute. But
Speaker 1: but I say that because what I think, what I
Speaker 1: immediately connected with is here is a child who's told
Speaker 1: that they can do anything they want to do, and
Speaker 1: they dream and they believe, and they're not shy. Lauren,
Speaker 1: I went, I grew up with so many people who
Speaker 1: are shy, who were I'm comfortable in the room. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't want to speak up. I don't know anybody.
Speaker 1: I don't know anybody. I'm about to know everybody in
Speaker 1: this room, you know. And and that's the way she is,
Speaker 1: and I don't I don't want to. I want to
Speaker 1: stay her name and embarrassing in case she's listening. But
Speaker 1: it is she she I don't think she's ever met
Speaker 1: a stranger that she will move into a space and like,
Speaker 1: first of all, I'm here, Second of all, I'm going
Speaker 1: to be heard, and third of all, yeah, I'm ready.
Speaker 1: Will anybody volunteer here? We go? Like I could see
Speaker 1: she would be the one. I'm like, she beat me again.
Speaker 1: How she keeps volunteering before I do or whatever it
Speaker 1: is and I love that love that. I'm glad you
Speaker 1: don't know him because they talk back. Period, all talk back.
Speaker 1: Everybody talk back. Everybody knows which one it is that
Speaker 1: everybody knows that. You know that he entertains the audience
Speaker 1: is doing coffee times, Yeah it was, you know. I
Speaker 1: hope everybody enjoyed a Memorial Day barbecue. I hope you'll
Speaker 1: barbecue if you lost the loved one. We were sorry,
Speaker 1: you know, hold on to the memory. But the world
Speaker 1: is so heavy right now, and we just wanted to
Speaker 1: have a Hodgepody. We even got deeper than we wanted
Speaker 1: to go. We because we really wanted to just have
Speaker 1: a life. Salad with no meat day. Yeah, we want
Speaker 1: to like salad with no meat. But we got meat,
Speaker 1: and we get dressed, and we got ranched. I don't
Speaker 1: even like ranch dressed. But you know, that's what laugh
Speaker 1: and learning is. Because we talked to each other. Y'all
Speaker 1: talk to us. We teach each other. Y'all need to
Speaker 1: watch what's the name. What's the name of the the documentary.
Speaker 1: It's called Tulsa's Burning. It came out yesterday on the
Speaker 1: History Channel. It's about two hours long, but it's stuff
Speaker 1: in me worth the watch. I encourage you guys all
Speaker 1: to go and watch it. I think it's on demand
Speaker 1: right now, Lauren to even better because yeah, in the
Speaker 1: History channels doing this whole you know, kind of like
Speaker 1: a reparations month kind of thing where they're trying to
Speaker 1: bring light to some of the tragedies that have happened
Speaker 1: in the black community. So and they even actually gave
Speaker 1: funds to the A. M. E. Church that was actually
Speaker 1: initially burned down in the Tulsa Race massacre, but part
Speaker 1: of their basement was actually preserved, like it was the
Speaker 1: only thing that was left, and they've rebuilt this church.
Speaker 1: So they're also giving some funds towards the Amy Church
Speaker 1: to help keep it, you know, alive and kind of
Speaker 1: create this mural or it's something like a mural or
Speaker 1: a space where they can come and just kind of
Speaker 1: grieve with what was going on, like a safe haven
Speaker 1: kind of thing. So please go watch the Flame. I
Speaker 1: do want to ask you if you can share anything
Speaker 1: that you might have thought might have been fun or uplifting,
Speaker 1: because last time we met, you had not had a
Speaker 1: chance to attend the services for Paul Mooney, and then
Speaker 1: you did that and is there anything that you can
Speaker 1: share with us that you took away from that or anything. Uh,
Speaker 1: everybody was hugging me and ship I was spreading lights
Speaker 1: out like a mania baby. No that yeah, we did.
Speaker 1: We did lose the Great Pulmony this past week and
Speaker 1: they had a memorial service for him Thursday. I girl
Speaker 1: O'Neill hosted. First of all, the nail was super funny, y'all.
Speaker 1: She was so good. She's so ignorant. Good guy, that
Speaker 1: lady's ignorant, and it was. It was quite great. And
Speaker 1: then they loved me because I went up at the
Speaker 1: inn and did my thing. It was, it was great.
Speaker 1: His son spoke, well, they booked me. Oh, I'm performing
Speaker 1: at the Latter Factory in Hollywood on Friday at the
Speaker 1: ten fifty show. I forgot all about that, Lauren. I
Speaker 1: think it's kicking in, Lauren. I think, okay, So we're
Speaker 1: not trying to get you the what's the line? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: because thank you guys for because you know, this page
Speaker 1: is a transfer of information and we could not do
Speaker 1: it without you, flame mats and kindle here because Triple
Speaker 1: could make it today. And on this page, we're not
Speaker 1: trying to get you to do whatn't it. We're not
Speaker 1: trying to get you to change your mind. We're simply
Speaker 1: trying to get you to use your mind because you
Speaker 1: don't have a brain. Take your ass to see the
Speaker 1: wizard because guess what he passed out brains Hans courage,
Speaker 1: and then helping you get plane tickets back home. All that.
Speaker 1: It's a bit named Glenda Sheet, the bottom bit. She
Speaker 1: doing all the work. The little do all be kissing
Speaker 1: on your understand never thank you for joining us, for
Speaker 1: laughing learning today. We hope that you guys have had
Speaker 1: an amazing week. We asked that you stay safe, stay
Speaker 1: prayed up, stay out them phones when you're in public places.
Speaker 1: Is happening a lot more publicly and a lot more randomly.
Speaker 1: We didn't talk about this day on purpose, but walking
Speaker 1: in the store and the words of tech j and
Speaker 1: keep your head on the swivel because it's just happening
Speaker 1: anywhere and everywhere. And if you can't get away, run
Speaker 1: had don't open the door, save yourself because it's scary,
Speaker 1: this flaming. I see y'all at love Lounge tonight. I'll
Speaker 1: be feeling real lounge. Thank you. Where can we find y'all?
Speaker 1: Wait wait, wait, wait, wait wait, Lauren. We can find
Speaker 1: me at Nick Smith News on all social media platforms
Speaker 1: and I am Lauren Armani h on Instagram as well
Speaker 1: as Lauren Hogan on YouTube and Flame uh Flame is
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