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Speaker 1: Hi, get everybody on Dan Hoard and thanks for downloading

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Speaker 1: The Bengals Booth Podcast. The Oh Oh's the Clue. Addition,

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Speaker 1: as the Bengals reached long term contract extensions with Jamar

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Speaker 1: Chase and t Higgins coming up, we'll hear from the

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Speaker 1: NFL's best receiving duo. Then Dave Lappham joins me to

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Speaker 1: discuss that news and answer your ask Lap questions. After that,

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Speaker 1: it's my conversation with a newcomer who has played in

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Speaker 1: the last two Super Bowls, linebacker Orren Burks. The Bengals

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Speaker 1: thing since John Gruden Opening Boxes. The former NFL coach

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Speaker 1: is working as a content creator for Barstool Sports these days,

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Speaker 1: and in recent weeks, he's been posting videos that show

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Speaker 1: him opening boxes of swag that he's been getting in

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Speaker 1: the mail from college and pro teams. Now that in

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Speaker 1: and of itself doesn't sound that compelling, but Gruden turns

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Speaker 1: each box opening into a little history lesson as he

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Speaker 1: rattles off the names of his favorite players and coaches

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Speaker 1: from each team and often shares personal anecdotes. For example,

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Speaker 1: when John got a box of gear from the University

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Speaker 1: of Indiana football team, we learned how he used to

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Speaker 1: be a ball boy for Bobby Knight when his dad

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Speaker 1: coached the running backs there. I am under the impression

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Speaker 1: that Coach Gruden could be ripping open a Bengal box

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Speaker 1: sometime soon, and if so, it'll be fun to hear

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Speaker 1: him riff on some of his all time favorite Bengals. Now,

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Speaker 1: let's get to Jamar and T. When the Bengals franchise

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Speaker 1: tag T Higgins. Prior to last season, I'll admit that

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Speaker 1: I thought it would be his final year in the

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Speaker 1: three months of the season, but that changed on Monday

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Speaker 1: Night December ninth, after the Bengals beat the Cowboys on

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Speaker 1: Monday Night Football. That was the only game all year

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Speaker 1: where the Bengals really got lucky, as a Cowboys blunder

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Speaker 1: Prior to that game, Burrow, Chase, and Higgins walked out

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Speaker 1: and after the game, Burrow was asked about savoring moments

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Speaker 2: You know, those discussions are ongoing, and I'm confident that

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Speaker 2: I think we're going to be able to do what

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Speaker 2: that I'm going to do what it takes to get

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Speaker 2: so you know, those are those are going to be

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Speaker 2: off season discussions. But I think we're excited about that opportunity.

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Speaker 1: I can tell you that the reporters in that room,

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Speaker 1: Jamar Chase, but that seemingly out of nowhere comment from

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Speaker 3: A few days.

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Speaker 1: Later, Burrow made the case for keeping Tea.

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Speaker 3: It's very important.

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Speaker 2: I think you just look at Simon just his production,

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Speaker 2: It's how the defenses have to play us when he's

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Speaker 2: Yet, we'll see after the season and talk have those

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Speaker 1: Need, Yes, nobody wants to win more than Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 1: He didn't advocate for keeping Jamar and Tea because there

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Speaker 3: We believe, That's all I can say. We believe we

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Speaker 5: And I mean anybody that you know that has doubts,

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Speaker 6: I mean, honestly, that's the whole goal behind signing this

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Speaker 1: Jamar got a four year, one hundred and sixty one

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Speaker 1: Jamar is twenty five, and they will be spending their

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Speaker 5: I grew up a Bengals fan, and to have the

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Speaker 6: I like Cincinnati because it gives me the opportunity to

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Speaker 6: It's not too much too many things to get me,

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Speaker 1: If Jamar needs to run down on great Cincinnati restaurants,

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Speaker 1: I can take care of it. For more on Today's

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Speaker 1: news and to answer the questions you submitted on X,

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Speaker 1: it's time to bring in my broadcast partner, Dave Lapham.

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Speaker 1: I want to start with something simple that I think

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Speaker 7: It's very important. You know, I do think that. You know,

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Speaker 7: individual performance is rewarded by money, but money does not

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Speaker 7: win championships. And these guys understand that it is a business.

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Speaker 7: So when you perform at the level that they perform,

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Speaker 7: needed to do that. But the fact that they did

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Speaker 7: keep them all intact states that not only do you

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Speaker 7: expect to win a champion I mean or hope to

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Speaker 7: win a championship, the expectation is you're gonna win a championship.

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Speaker 7: I mean, they've been to the Super Bowl. It didn't

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Speaker 7: And we talked about this before, Dan, you know, I mean,

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Speaker 7: be part of maybe a record breaking trio. And they're

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Speaker 7: they're already already that in terms of Bengals history in

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Speaker 7: NFL history, but they that elusive ring is what they're

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Speaker 7: what they're looking for right now. And I agree with you.

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Speaker 7: I think that they feel like, you know, the city

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Speaker 7: lifestyle fits the you know, the the big city distractions

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Speaker 7: and all that stuff is not what these guys are about.

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Speaker 7: but you know, you're looking for a legacy, and guys

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Speaker 7: we signed those deals twenty five, twenty six, twenty seven, twenty.

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Speaker 4: Eight, did we kick some tailor?

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Speaker 1: What?

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Speaker 7: Did we get it done? Look what we did and

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Speaker 7: and again you're gonna get compstated based on that. But man,

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Speaker 7: the team, folks, winning that championship is what it's really

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Speaker 1: Let's turn the clock back to December ninth, after the

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Speaker 1: Dallas game. That was the first time that Joe, Jamar

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Speaker 1: he made headlines by saying that he thought that they

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Speaker 1: he said that T was in need. Did that twenty

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Speaker 7: I think it was the beginning, I really do you know,

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Speaker 7: I mean, I think, uh put it out there, geez,

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Speaker 7: I wonder what Joe's thinking about this. Joe put it

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Speaker 7: about this. And when you look at it, that Trio

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Speaker 7: I mean, Joe mentioned him too, that Mike is Sticky

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Speaker 1: Yeah, those are some crazy numbers. My feeling on this

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I agree with you, Dan, In a perfect world,

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Speaker 7: today's NFL, you got to pay them both. I mean,

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Speaker 7: you know, the Bengals have always had, you know, developed

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Speaker 7: If you can keep them. I mean, they're they're amongst

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 7: I think the other thing Dan that strikes me about

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Speaker 1: No doubt about it. You know, it's kind of an

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 7: That's a value, that's a valid point, There's no question

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Speaker 7: But yeah, there's no way that they could they could

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Speaker 7: His skill sets phenomenal. Yeah, but he's hurts so much

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Speaker 4: But he will he'll stuff it up. Now, there's no

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Speaker 7: make some moves and and get somebody else's they went

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Speaker 7: out and did that pretty darn well. I mean TJ. Slayton,

436
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Speaker 7: I think is a good a good deal. Two years

437
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Speaker 7: for fifteen million dollars. The thing is the defensive line

438
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Speaker 7: coach worked with him at Green Bay, knows about him,

439
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 7: know those are the things that he can do. Jerry

440
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Speaker 7: Montgomery is familiar with what TJ. Slayton's all about. I

441
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Speaker 7: think there's something to be said for that. Orrin Burks

442
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Speaker 7: is a guy who just when when he had to

443
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Speaker 7: play big, when there were injuries and he had to

444
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Speaker 7: go and and and play, he had his best games

445
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Speaker 7: down the stretch, in the playoffs and in the Super Bowl.

446
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Speaker 7: I mean he just kept getting better and better, making

447
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Speaker 7: more and more plays. So when the season was on

448
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Speaker 7: the line, he stepped up. You gotta like you gotta

449
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Speaker 7: like both of those signings, Dan, I think it makes

450
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Speaker 7: the defense.

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Speaker 1: Better, especially TJ. Slayton. They have needed that gigantic, immovable

452
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Speaker 1: run stopping force in the middle of their defensive line

453
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Speaker 1: and and I think that's exactly what the doctor ordered.

454
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Speaker 1: He's not going to get after the quarterback much, but

455
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Speaker 1: you got to have somebody, particularly in the AFC North,

456
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Speaker 1: that prevents teams from just stuffing it down your throat

457
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Speaker 1: in the run game.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely.

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Speaker 7: I mean, fans are still moaning about the loss of

460
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Speaker 7: DJ Reader, you know. I mean, and rightfully star. I

461
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Speaker 7: mean DJ Reader was a force in the division stopping

462
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Speaker 7: the run. And like you said, everybody can run the

463
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Speaker 7: football in the AFC North TJ. Slayton will give you

464
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Speaker 7: that close the closest thing to that body type with

465
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Speaker 7: those type of movement skills. To think DJ Reader, it

466
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Speaker 7: was unbelievable watching him with the athleticism he played with.

467
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Speaker 4: This guy.

468
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Speaker 7: Look you look at him and you think, oh, man,

469
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Speaker 7: this he can't move? Are you kidding me? This guy

470
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Speaker 7: was an athlete. Man, he could move. I mean he

471
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Speaker 7: was hard to get off his feet. He he had

472
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Speaker 7: he had sweet feet. Man, he had great balance. I

473
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 7: mean he was hard to he was hard to get

474
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Speaker 7: off his pins. And Slayton has has that kind of

475
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Speaker 7: ability too. I mean he's hard to get on the ground.

476
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Speaker 7: And they haven't had a guy you know like that

477
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Speaker 7: with that kind of size that will you know, hold

478
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Speaker 7: the fort and uh you know when when offensive and

479
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Speaker 7: defensive line and come off the ball, where's the line

480
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Speaker 7: is the line of scrimmage moving?

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Speaker 4: Which way is it? Moving or is it moving at all?

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Speaker 1: T J.

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Speaker 7: Slayton will make sure that it's not moving at all,

484
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Speaker 7: or if it's moving, it's moving in the uh negative direction.

485
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Speaker 7: For the offense, he'll make sure he's knocking guys back

486
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Speaker 7: and holding down the fort all right.

487
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Speaker 1: Earlier today, I shined the Bengals logo into the sky

488
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Speaker 1: above pay Corpse Stadium and solicited some ask lap questions.

489
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Speaker 1: So here we go. We've got several questions about the

490
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Speaker 1: offensive line in general and the guard position in particular.

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Speaker 1: This question from SB eighty five. Are the angles interested

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Speaker 1: in Brandon Sheriff.

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Speaker 4: I think they should be.

494
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Speaker 7: You know, I think he's a guy that, uh, you know,

495
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Speaker 7: that is on everybody's list. I mean, he's of the

496
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Speaker 7: guys that are left at the interior.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 7: I I have Brandon Sheriff, uh you know, rated right

499
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Speaker 7: up there. I've also, you know, there's there's a couple

500
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Speaker 7: of guys from the Chicago Bears, Tevin Jenkins. There's mixed reviews,

501
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 7: mixed reports on him. There's I guess additional film study

502
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Speaker 7: that I'm gonna have to have to do on him.

503
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Speaker 7: But he and Matt Pryor are both there at the

504
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Speaker 7: guard position with Chicago. Uh Will Hernandez out of Arizona

505
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Speaker 7: as well as Cologne, Uh Tristan Cologne out of Arizona

506
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Speaker 7: are both guys that I think, you know, you could,

507
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Speaker 7: you could, you could really think about Evan Brown out

508
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,919
Speaker 7: of out of Arizona as well as is somebody that

509
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Speaker 7: deserves I think a little bit more film study Lake

510
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Speaker 7: and Tomlinson with Seattle. I mean, there there are there

511
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Speaker 7: are bodies there, There are people there. And should the

512
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Speaker 7: Bengals get one of them or two? Yeah, I'm all

513
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Speaker 7: I'm all for that. Uh you know, you got to

514
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 7: they they obviously have a have an opening with with

515
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Speaker 7: Kappa being let go. And how about Kappa signing right

516
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 7: away with the Las Vegas Raiders. God, that's good, really

517
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 7: good for him. You know, the Bengals said, uh, you know,

518
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 7: no Moss and they part ways and he gets a deal,

519
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 7: a deal right away.

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Speaker 4: But you know we mentioned Cody Ford.

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Speaker 7: I think Cody Ford deserves the right to battle inside

522
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Speaker 7: for one of those guard spots. He's got the position versatility,

523
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Speaker 7: but I I think he's proven that that he belongs

524
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Speaker 7: in that in that competition. And and yeah, Dan, I

525
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 7: would I would definitely say that if you if you

526
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Speaker 7: come out of free agency without signing one veteran guard,

527
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Speaker 7: it would be a disappointment, I would think. I mean,

528
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Speaker 7: if you him signed too, all the better, But if

529
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Speaker 7: you don't, that's going to be addressed in the draft

530
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 7: as well.

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Speaker 1: I have not seen any reports about what Sheriff is

532
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Speaker 1: asking for. His last contract as a free agent was

533
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Speaker 1: a huge one, so he may be really looking for

534
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 1: big bucks. Still, he's not that old. He's thirty three.

535
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Speaker 1: He was the fifth overall pick in the draft. He

536
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 1: was a five time Pro bowler, although the last time

537
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: was twenty twenty one. His PFF grades last year weren't great,

538
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Speaker 1: but they were still good. He was number thirteen among

539
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Speaker 1: guards in pass Pro, number thirty nine overall. That was

540
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Speaker 1: much better than the Bengals starting guard. So again, I

541
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Speaker 1: don't know what his price tag is, but to me,

542
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Speaker 1: the guys that are still out there, if you could

543
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Speaker 1: work out a short term deal with him, I think

544
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Speaker 1: that would be a home run. It'd be interesting to

545
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Speaker 1: see if they can pull it off.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I agree, Dan, I mean, I think he obviously

547
00:29:55,280 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 7: is a salary cap casualty with Jacksonville, and you know Jacksonville,

548
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 7: they're moving on from some of their interior players and

549
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Speaker 7: they're signing other people's interior players, and it's it's just

550
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 7: kind of a kind of a shift and a lot

551
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Speaker 7: of its economically driven. And I guess you know that's

552
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 7: that's one thing that that we know the Cincinnati Bengals, uh,

553
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 7: they always try to try to get done, is the

554
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Speaker 7: fact that they don't let their cap get out of whack.

555
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Speaker 7: And if a guy is not going to be on

556
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Speaker 7: a football team, it's not going to be because of economics.

557
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 7: He may not cut the mustard anymore. His skill set

558
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 7: may have diminished, but I mean if he's still if

559
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Speaker 7: you have a player that can still play in this

560
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Speaker 7: league and you have to let him go because you

561
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Speaker 7: didn't hinder your salary cap properly, and to me, that

562
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 7: would that would just be that would be criminal. And

563
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Speaker 7: they do have a you know, a a history of

564
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Speaker 7: keeping everything even Steven pretty pretty flat lined in terms of,

565
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Speaker 7: you know, on a year to year basis with with

566
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Speaker 7: cap hits with these players and not have pushed to

567
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 7: the back end all this money where it's it's ludicrous

568
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 7: and you got to get rid of the guy. I mean,

569
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 7: they're probably not even Hall of famers that would warrant

570
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 7: to be paid that that kind of money. So the

571
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 7: Bengals have done a great job of that and I

572
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 7: think that'll continue all right.

573
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Speaker 1: Jarno and Chuck have both asked questions about Matt Lee,

574
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Speaker 1: the center out of the University of Miami that the

575
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Speaker 1: Bengals drafted last year. Jarno asked, what is the status

576
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Speaker 1: of Matt Lee could be? Could he be in the

577
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: mix at guard? Chuck asked, is matt possibly the next

578
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Speaker 1: center with Ted Karris moving to guard? What are your

579
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Speaker 1: overall thoughts about Matt Lee and the possibility that he

580
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Speaker 1: has a more prominent role this coming season.

581
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think I think Matt Lee is is probably

582
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 7: another guy that if I'm an offensive lineman that was

583
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 7: a member of the group last year, the offensive line

584
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 7: coast and the assistant line coach have moved on and

585
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 7: there are new ones, so it's wide open. I mean,

586
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 7: everybody is out to win a job, so, uh, you know,

587
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 7: Matt Lee, Unfortunately, he doesn't have a whole lot of

588
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 7: tape that the coaches can watch in terms of snaps

589
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 7: last year in the in the regular season, but the

590
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 7: preseason he does and they can go back and look

591
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Speaker 7: at his college tape again, which I'm sure they already

592
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Speaker 7: did because they were evaluating him coming out of school

593
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 7: when you know they were with the New England Patriots,

594
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Speaker 7: so I'm sure they know about him.

595
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Speaker 4: You know, Matt Lee has he has as good a

596
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Speaker 4: chance as.

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Speaker 7: Anybody of securing more playing time or maybe winning a

598
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Speaker 7: job at the in the teri of the offensive line.

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Speaker 4: I do think that.

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Speaker 7: That is an area of improvement that is is very

601
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Speaker 7: obvious in terms of keeping that pocket from collapsing. The

602
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 7: protection pass protection has to be firming the pocket up.

603
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 7: And I remember Paul Brown and Tiger Johnson first to

604
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 7: my first year in the league.

605
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Speaker 4: Men give ground grudgingly on that inside. You know, don't

606
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 4: don't get bull rushed, don't get knocked back, give ground grudgingly,

607
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 4: make a stand.

608
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Speaker 7: And that's you know, you have a guy like Joe Borrow,

609
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Speaker 7: a quarterback you just want to keep people out of

610
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Speaker 7: his face. Quarterbacks at any level, high school, college or

611
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 7: the NFL will tell you if you ask him, what

612
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 7: is the biggest the biggest problem to deal with pressure

613
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Speaker 7: in my face when I can't see down the football field,

614
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Speaker 7: and then you have the yips potentially about following through

615
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Speaker 7: and you know, having an injury on somebody's helmet, be

616
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 7: it your teammates or the opposition. So give these guys

617
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Speaker 7: room to operate. Give these guys space sometimes, you know,

618
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Speaker 7: it's not only time, it's time and space. What kind

619
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Speaker 7: of space you're giving your quarterback to operate in that

620
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Speaker 7: pocket and feel comfortable in that pocket, because man, if

621
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Speaker 7: you do that for Joe Burrow, bo no telling the

622
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Speaker 7: yards and the production that that guy will put up.

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Speaker 1: Mark has a question about Cordel Volson. Cordell, by the way,

624
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Speaker 1: was graded fifty fifth among guards last year out of

625
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Speaker 1: eighty three according to Pro Football Focus. Here's the question.

626
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Speaker 1: Scott Peters says he thinks he can help Cordel Volson.

627
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Speaker 1: What exactly can he help him with?

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Speaker 7: You know, Cordell Volson has got some length and h

629
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Speaker 7: Coach Peters is real good with that long arm, you know,

630
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 7: and foot placement's a little bit different.

631
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Speaker 4: Maybe it's a little more.

632
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 7: Parallel than staggered, and it length lengthens the arm, and

633
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Speaker 7: and Cordel Volson has some long, strong arms to work with.

634
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 7: The biggest thing I think that he has to do

635
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 7: is is uh is is bend get his pad level lower.

636
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 7: You know, he has to he has to bend at

637
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 7: the knees and not at the waist. He has to

638
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 7: get get get that body down a little bit and

639
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Speaker 7: and you know, get his his targets everything lower and

640
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 7: player play at a lower plane. Because I think he

641
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 7: does have ability. I think he does have athletic ability.

642
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 7: I think he's plenty strong enough to play in the

643
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:11,240
Speaker 7: National Football League.

644
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,320
Speaker 4: And again, you wipe a slate clean.

645
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 7: You know, there's if he ended up going the year

646
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 7: ended up going tough for him last year, Frank Pollack,

647
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 7: who drafted him, ended up sitting him down. And you know,

648
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Speaker 7: Frank's not the start that does that lightly. You know,

649
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Speaker 7: somebody that he drafted make that kind of decision with

650
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Speaker 7: So Cordell is going to have a bounce back year.

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Speaker 4: I think he's got it in him.

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Speaker 7: And with coach Peters, he's got a clean slate, new techniques,

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Speaker 7: new things to learn. And again, everybody's everybody's a square one.

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Speaker 7: It's best man wins. Let's just go compete.

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Speaker 1: From chastin besides guard, what other position would you like

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Speaker 1: to see the Bengals addressing free agency?

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Speaker 7: You know, I mean, I think they've already done. They've

658
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Speaker 7: already gotten a defensive tackle. But I'd go multiple guards.

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Speaker 7: I'd probably go another defensive tackle. I'd like, there's always

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Speaker 7: room for an edge rusher. I mean, if in the

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Speaker 7: secondary market, there's an edge rusher out there that you

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Speaker 7: know that becomes affordable and viable.

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Speaker 4: And honestly, Dan, when I'm when I'm.

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Speaker 7: If I'm a free agent out there now, and you know,

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Speaker 7: I haven't maybe my price tag was too high and

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Speaker 7: some of these guys did get the big dollars, but

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Speaker 7: you're still out there. You know, you have to lower

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Speaker 7: your sites. You and your representative of your agent, your lawyer, whatever,

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Speaker 7: or trying to figure out what to do. Why the

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Speaker 7: hell not consider the Cincinnati Bengals. I mean, look what

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Speaker 7: they've done in free agency. Look at the football team

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Speaker 7: that they're putting together. If you're a defensive tackle or

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Speaker 7: an offensive guard, or an edge rush guy or a corner,

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Speaker 7: whatever the case may be, why why wouldn't you say, yeah, man,

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Speaker 7: let's let's uh. You know, they need help at the

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Speaker 7: position I play. They they need some help to to

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Speaker 7: fill that roster out.

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Speaker 4: They do, they do have a good roster.

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Speaker 7: They believe in their roster they brought a lot of

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Speaker 7: that roster back, and they paid them, you know, second

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Speaker 7: contracts in some cases even more than that. But you know, man,

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Speaker 7: I think when when the Bengals did what they did

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Speaker 7: in terms of paying Joe Burrow good money for the

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Speaker 7: long term and then signing both Jamar and t I

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Speaker 7: think you showed the rest of the league we're serious.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 7: You know we're serious. We're going to try to put

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Speaker 7: together as good a roster as we possibly can, and

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Speaker 7: we're not going to let our stars that we've developed

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Speaker 7: into potential superstars walk. So if you want to be

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Speaker 7: part of this, yeah, let's talk. And I would think

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Speaker 7: that Cincinnati here in this era of the Joe Burrow era,

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Speaker 7: is talked about in the free agency circle as much

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Speaker 7: differently than they were before his arrival. I think it's

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Speaker 7: it's uh, from travel agency standpoint, is probably one of

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Speaker 7: the better destinations. Now, let's let's see we get done.

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Speaker 7: How about arranging a trip to Cincinnati.

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Speaker 1: Let's go from mister B what changes do you recommend

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Speaker 1: to reverse the devastating trend of terrible starts to seasons.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, man, boy, if I had an answer to that,

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Speaker 7: I mean that that that one it's almost like a

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Speaker 7: self fulfilling prophecy. Now, sometimes you get in that situation

703
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Speaker 7: and it just, you know, it can it consumes you

704
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Speaker 7: when you don't even realize it's consuming you. You know,

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Speaker 7: it's a it's a an odd dynamic that way. They've

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Speaker 7: tried to have these you know, controlled scrimmages with other

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Speaker 7: other teams and be a little bit more physical because

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Speaker 7: they're not playing guys very many snaps during the course

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Speaker 7: of the preseason that that they're going to be relying

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Speaker 7: on right away to start the regular season. But if

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Speaker 7: you don't, I mean, that becomes a major issue, and

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Speaker 7: it has been a major issue. The lack of sure

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Speaker 7: tackling are a big part of the equation of those

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Speaker 7: slow starts. But you know, even offensively, I mean, you

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Speaker 7: look at the Bengals offense in the first three or

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Speaker 7: four games of the season as opposed to the last

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Speaker 7: five games this past year. Oh my gosh, man, it's

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Speaker 7: like night and day. You know, you'd like to you'd

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Speaker 7: like to get off to a better start at the

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Speaker 7: beginning of the year, closer to the efficiency and the

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Speaker 7: level of execution you're playing with. You know, at the

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Speaker 7: end of the season, it's going to be natural, barring

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Speaker 7: injury and all that, that you are going to progress

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Speaker 7: during the course of the season.

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Speaker 4: But man, it was a stark contrast.

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Speaker 7: From the start of the season offensively to the end

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Speaker 7: of the season offensively.

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Speaker 4: And you know, I don't know.

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Speaker 7: Maybe it's as simple as playing biting the bullet and

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Speaker 7: then play more snaps, man, and let them bring people

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Speaker 7: to the ground and start that, start that bond of

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Speaker 7: what it's going to be like at all three levels.

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Speaker 7: Realizing you know how to play with each other, get

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Speaker 7: a feel for each other, get a feel for the

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Speaker 7: guy that you're playing next to, have an understanding what

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Speaker 7: the coordinators his expectations are. And the only way to

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Speaker 7: go out and do it is to do that, go

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Speaker 7: out and physically do it, mentally know what you're doing,

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Speaker 7: and physically accomplish what you're supposed to do.

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Speaker 1: All right, We've got about two minutes left for a

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Speaker 1: final hard hitting question. It comes from p d y.

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Speaker 1: Are you ready, yes, describe your perfect Sunday morning breakfast.

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Speaker 4: Perfect Sunday morning breakfast. Man.

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Speaker 7: You know, I'm really not a huge breakfast guy, but

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Speaker 7: if I had to, it would be some form of steak.

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Speaker 7: Would be in there. I'm definitely a steak.

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Speaker 1: Guy, steak an eggs kind of guy.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, steak and eggs would stay, can scrambled eggs with that,

749
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Speaker 7: dog would hunt. I think I think I'd probably probably

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Speaker 7: lean in that direction. I'm, you know, not necessarily toast,

751
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Speaker 7: maybe more like an English s muffin or a Danish

752
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Speaker 7: kind of guy, you know, rather than just toast, you know,

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Speaker 7: get a little a little bit of something like that going.

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Speaker 7: I am definitely an orange juice guy, gonna have that,

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Speaker 7: but no coffee. I don't never tasted coffee. I don't

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Speaker 7: drink coffee, but I'd go for a couple of glasses

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Speaker 7: orange juice.

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Speaker 3: Though.

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Speaker 1: I can describe my perfect Sunday morning breakfast because I

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Speaker 1: feel like I have it about eight times a year.

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Speaker 1: It's on the road at the Bengals game day. It's you, Me,

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Speaker 1: Mike Brown, his close friend Jack Schiff.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I don't really care about the food. It's the conversations

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Speaker 1: that we have on those Sunday mornings on the road.

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Speaker 1: That's the perfect Sunday morning breakfast for me.

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Speaker 4: What a great call that is, Dan, There's no doubt.

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Speaker 7: I mean the conversations football and it evolves to evolves

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Speaker 7: to life in general in some cases, but a lot

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Speaker 7: of football chat and uh, you know it is it's

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Speaker 7: very interesting, very interesting.

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Speaker 4: I think I think the fan base.

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Speaker 7: Would be very pleasantly surprised to be able to tune

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Speaker 7: into some of those conversations and listen to uh, you know,

775
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Speaker 7: to Mike and uh and then when Katie and Troy

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Speaker 7: come and when Paul Brown comes and everybody starts, uh

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Speaker 7: starts talking football. It's really pretty enlightening, pretty very interesting,

778
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Speaker 7: it really is.

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Speaker 1: If we could make that a podcast, it would be

780
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Speaker 1: like the Kelsey Brothers. We would sell it for one

781
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Speaker 1: hundred mil.

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Speaker 7: You're right, man, I mean I think, uh, I think

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Speaker 7: it would definitely it would definitely uh disproved, you know,

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Speaker 7: I don't know, maybe prove the fact that Mike Brown

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Speaker 7: might be as misunderstood as almost anybody in the National

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Speaker 7: Football League.

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Speaker 4: But Mike Brown knows his football.

788
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Speaker 1: Now he does. And his laugh is tremendous.

789
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Speaker 4: It is, There's there's no question about it.

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Speaker 7: And and as dry a sense of humor as I've

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Speaker 7: ever as I've ever known, and uh at an extremely

792
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Speaker 7: high intelligence, as we know, Dan, Mike Brown is like

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Speaker 7: that dude is Menza he's mensa in a lot of

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Speaker 7: areas that might be. That might be a smart as

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Speaker 7: smart a human being ron intelligence as I've been around,

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Speaker 7: he's something else.

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Speaker 1: All right, so I said. The Sunday Morning Breakfast question

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Speaker 1: was our final question, but there was actually one other

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Speaker 1: interesting thing that came in on ask Lap. Somebody wants

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Speaker 1: to know that when the Bengals win the Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: in Santa Clara this coming year, will you add an

802
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 1: extra bam to coffin nails? Bam bam bam? Will you

803
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:51,280
Speaker 1: go with a fourth for a Super Bowl?

804
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Speaker 4: At least I might go for ten? I mean I

805
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Speaker 4: might just be bamming my butt off.

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Speaker 1: Man. All right, that's what we got to look forward.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate you time, my man. Hope to see you soon.

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Speaker 4: Same here. Dan, enjoyed it.

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Speaker 1: for my conversation with a Bengals newcomer linebacker and special

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Speaker 1: teams ace or In Burks signed a two year deal

820
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,240
Speaker 1: on Monday and joins the Bengals after earning a Super

821
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Speaker 1: Bowl ring with the Philadelphia Eagles. Berks had quite a postseason.

822
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Speaker 1: He forced to fumble on the opening kickoff in the

823
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Speaker 1: eagles first playoff win over Green Bay. He forced another

824
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:07,879
Speaker 1: fumble in the NFC Championship game against Washington, and after

825
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Speaker 1: getting most of his snaps on special teams during the

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Speaker 1: regular season, Berks started at linebacker in Philadelphia's last three

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Speaker 1: postseason wins. Or You have had quite a twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: five so far, A couple of forest fumbles in the playoffs,

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Speaker 1: starting role in a Super Bowl champ and now a

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Speaker 1: new two year deal with the Cincinnati Bengals. How would

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Speaker 1: you describe your year to date?

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Speaker 3: Man, it's been amazing. It's been amazing.

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Speaker 8: Definitely looking forward to the opportunity here in Cincinnati for

834
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Speaker 8: me and my family. I feel like it's a great

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Speaker 8: fit for us, and I'm just excited to see what

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Speaker 8: the future holds.

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Speaker 1: I want to go back before the playoffs began, the

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Speaker 1: final game of the regular season, it was big news

839
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Speaker 1: nationally when the Eagles rested Saquon Barkley when he possibly

840
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Speaker 1: had a chance to set the rushing record. Some other

841
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Speaker 1: guys rested in that game as well. You stepped into

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Speaker 1: the starting lineup and had seventeen tackles to kind of

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Speaker 1: set the stage for the great postseason that came after that.

844
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Speaker 1: What do you think that game did for you your

845
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Speaker 1: reputation around the NFL.

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Speaker 8: For me, it's just a big confidence piece, you know,

847
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Speaker 8: for the whole year, I hadn't had, you know, a

848
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Speaker 8: huge opportunity to play, you know, the majority of the game,

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Speaker 8: So just was ready when the opportunity came up to

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Speaker 8: you know, show showcase my talents and that that rang true,

851
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Speaker 8: you know when I got the opportunity in the playoffs

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Speaker 8: and throughout. But for me, it's always preparing like a

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Speaker 8: starter no matter what my role is and teams has

854
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Speaker 8: always been a big point of emphasis for me. So

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Speaker 8: exceling that role, adding value and being a great teammate

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Speaker 8: and like I said, ultimately just being ready when the

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Speaker 8: opportunity comes up.

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Speaker 1: Nikobe Dean suffered an injury in the first playoff game.

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Speaker 1: You stepped into the starting lineup for the rest of

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Speaker 1: the playoffs for Philly and the defense didn't miss a beat.

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Speaker 1: How big of a source of pride was that for you?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's huge. Like I said, like I prepare like

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Speaker 3: a starter.

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Speaker 8: That's that's been my point of emphasis, and that's allowed

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Speaker 8: me to play in the league for a long time.

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Speaker 8: This is going into year eight and I played a

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Speaker 8: lot of games in terms of playoff games. You know,

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Speaker 8: I've been on been in the playoffs every year except

869
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 8: for my rookie year. And you know that that rings true,

870
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 8: Like that experience, you know, speaks for yourself and looking

871
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 8: to you know, increase that role and just I feel

872
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 8: it's a great opportunity to come here and compete and

873
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 8: this this team is.

874
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 3: You look at the roster.

875
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,879
Speaker 8: You got talent up and down the roster and two

876
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 8: big ones you know yesterday with the war receiver duo,

877
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 8: and that's going to help us a lot to win games.

878
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 3: So looking forward to it.

879
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: That playoff track record's pretty remarkable. Six straight years with

880
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 1: three different teams. Five of those teams went to the

881
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 1: league championship Game, the last two teams went to the

882
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, and you won the Super Bowl this past year.

883
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:41,240
Speaker 1: What have you learned over the course of the last

884
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 1: six years about what it takes for teams to make

885
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 1: it that far in the postseason.

886
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Speaker 8: Yeah, one thing I've noticed the biggest The best teams

887
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 8: I've been a part of have been the closest teams

888
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 8: in the locker room. So that's gonna be an emphasis

889
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 8: for me, you know, just to connect with the guys here.

890
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 3: And I'm a vet now, so like just being able

891
00:47:57,800 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 3: to lead in that role is going to be really important.

892
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Speaker 8: But at the same time, just the mentality that it

893
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,800
Speaker 8: takes to win it all. It takes a lot of

894
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 8: hard work, but ultimately you got to be There's a

895
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 8: lot of highs, a lot of lows. You got to

896
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 8: find a way to stay somewhere in the middle, and

897
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 8: I feel like that's where the work gets done. And

898
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 8: looking forward to, you know, seeing what that looks like

899
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 8: with this team.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure Philly didn't want to lose you. What appealed

901
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 1: to you about Cincinnati?

902
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 8: Yeah, just opportunity, you know, the last couple of years,

903
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 8: they haven't you know, gotten over the barrier. I feel

904
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 8: like we're right there at it to make a run

905
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 8: at it again. So I feel like it was the

906
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,359
Speaker 8: best opportunity for me and my family and a great

907
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 8: fit here. We're in Nashville, so right down the road,

908
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 8: so not too far. But yeah, just looking forward to

909
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 8: the future here.

910
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: What have you been told about the opportunity? What potential

911
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: role do you think exists for you here?

912
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, just to come in and compete always.

913
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 8: You know backburner's gonna be special teams, but you know

914
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 8: it's coming to compete and play at linebacker here, and

915
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 8: I just want to be part of a great defense.

916
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: You spent your first four years in Green Bay Jerry Montgummer.

917
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 1: He was on the defensive staff. He wasn't your position coach,

918
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 1: but obviously you were around Jerry a lot during those years.

919
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 1: Did that connection have anything to do with you winding up.

920
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 3: Here, Yeah, it definitely does.

921
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 8: You know, familiarity with somebody on staff, a good relationship

922
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 8: with Jerry, and know his kids and his family very well.

923
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 8: And I feel like he's going to be a big

924
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:19,399
Speaker 8: piece for our d line. And I love playing with

925
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 8: great defensive lines man, that makes my job a lot easier.

926
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 8: So knowing that they're going to be well coached on

927
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 8: that front is a big piece to that.

928
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 3: So I'll look forward to working with him.

929
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 1: The Bengals got close to a Super Bowl title in

930
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty one season. You got there last year.

931
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 1: You got to experience what it was like when the

932
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 1: confetti is falling around you and it's your team Colors.

933
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 1: What was that high like for you?

934
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a surreal experience.

935
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 8: You know, all the work that you put in, you know,

936
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 8: your whole life to get to the pinnacle of the

937
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 8: sport and just being able to showcase it at at

938
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 8: the highest level is a great honor. And just going

939
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 8: to war, you know, with guys that you can create

940
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:55,320
Speaker 8: a bond with over the year. I'm looking forward to

941
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 8: doing that this year with this team.

942
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 1: You've had a tremendous track record on special teams throughout

943
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 1: your NFL career. Do you anticipate playing a significant role

944
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: in that department Cincinnati?

945
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

946
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:07,919
Speaker 8: I mean I feel like I always try to find

947
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:11,320
Speaker 8: ways to add value wherever I am, special teams or defense,

948
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 8: and I take a lot of pride in that, you know,

949
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 8: just just being a pros pro and being able to

950
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 8: you know, be ready to go when the opportunity comes up.

951
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 1: You overlapped with TJ. Slayton briefly in Green Bay your

952
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 1: last year there, his first. What can you tell us

953
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 1: about what the Bengals are getting in TJ Slayton.

954
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're getting a young guy with a lot of potential. Man.

955
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 8: I feel like when I was there with TJ, like

956
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 8: you just showed so much athleticism and his ability to

957
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:38,280
Speaker 8: you know, just replays and get to the ball, and

958
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 8: that's to nasty is going to help us on defense.

959
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 8: So excited to get back to work with him. Having

960
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 8: reunited with him in a little bit.

961
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 1: So you've faced the Bengals each of the last two years,

962
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 1: would have been your impressions of Cincinnati being on the

963
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 1: opposite side of the ball?

964
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 8: Yeah, Man, a high powered offense obviously, Joe leading the way.

965
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 8: I mean, I see him as a great leader, a

966
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:57,879
Speaker 8: guy that can get the ball out and get into

967
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 8: playmaker's hands, and for me is just.

968
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 3: Just don't know, just a great opportunity.

969
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 8: Like I'm really like seeing this team from the far

970
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 8: as the first time being the AFC for me, so

971
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:10,279
Speaker 8: a little bit different, but UH known them as a

972
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 8: contender the last couple of years. So that's what I

973
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 8: was looking for in free agency, is an opportunity to

974
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 8: come and compete with the contender.

975
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 1: We joked before I turned on the microphone that based

976
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 1: on my research, nobody has played in three straight Super

977
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 1: Bowls for three different teams. They're having guys that have

978
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 1: played in three for three different teams, but not three

979
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 1: years in a row.

980
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 3: What do you think?

981
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I imagine you joined this team thinking that Cincinnati

982
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 1: gives you a legitimate chance to do that.

983
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think it's definitely on the table. And it

984
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 8: starts with OTA's coming up here soon. Just building that

985
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 8: foundation that leads into the camp and leads, you know,

986
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 8: to the to the ultimate, the big one in the

987
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 8: super Bowl.

988
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 3: So we got to take it one day at a time.

989
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:50,760
Speaker 3: But you know, we got all the pieces that we need.

990
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:53,840
Speaker 1: Who do you know on this roster if anybody?

991
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 8: Yeah, so Logan we have the same Logan Wilson, we

992
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 8: have the same agent, so I've kind of known him

993
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 8: from that. And Tanner Hudson he trains in Nashville every

994
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 8: once in a while, so have good relationship with him.

995
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 8: He was with the Niners when I was out there

996
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 8: as well, so in Devin Conquering as well as office

997
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 8: a lineman that was at Vandy when I was there

998
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 8: for a little bit.

999
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 1: Your thirtieth birthday is coming up in a matter of days.

1000
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 1: You seem like a very young thirty. You've played in

1001
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 1: a lot of games, but haven't necessarily played a ton

1002
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 1: of snaps on defense. Do you feel like you haven't

1003
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:27,839
Speaker 1: been exposed to as much wear and tear maybe as

1004
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:29,360
Speaker 1: some guys with your experience in the league.

1005
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:30,360
Speaker 3: Yes, and no.

1006
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 8: I feel like we did physicals earlier today and that

1007
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 8: was in and out for thirty minutes. So I was

1008
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 8: joking with them like going into your a if you

1009
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 8: got a quick physical, that's a great sign. So hopefully

1010
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 8: I can crank out a couple more years.

1011
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 3: Here in the league.

1012
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 8: And it's about longevity, you know, like I said, and

1013
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 8: just find a ways to add value taking care of

1014
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,959
Speaker 8: your bodies and just being a pro, you know, taking

1015
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 8: care of everything that needs to be taken care of.

1016
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 1: Great to have you here in Cincinnati. Hope that Super

1017
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 1: Bowl Street continues next year.

1018
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 3: Let's do it.

1019
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:57,160
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