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Speaker 1: Company chapel ship one man.

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Speaker 3: You're saying that humans need fantasy to make life bearable,

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Speaker 3: you guys oppose the best, relentless, refusing to give up.

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Speaker 1: All right, hit that horn, babe. Let's there.

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Speaker 3: What's up everybody? And welcome to the Fantasy Flex Podcast.

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Speaker 3: This is our post draft NFC West episode. I am

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Speaker 3: your host, Chris Raybon. Jeorge is always with my dude,

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Speaker 3: Sean Kerner. Sean, what's going on?

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Speaker 2: What's up? Dude? Nothing? Just chilling, you know. This is

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Speaker 2: the time here. I'm attacking WNBA and USFL and just

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Speaker 2: absolutely crushing it and hoping we get to go to

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Speaker 2: What do you think?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm down. You hit me up about it?

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Speaker 2: So yeah, ready to go.

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Speaker 1: I'll be in San Diego this weekend. But oh nice

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Speaker 2: How's NBA going for you? I feel like we're three

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I actually I was at the Celtic game. I

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Speaker 3: It wasn't like peak Celtic's crowd, although they did make

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Speaker 3: I hadn't been to the TD Garden, but yeah, betting wise,

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Speaker 3: it's going amazing. I think I told you last week

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Speaker 3: I am now fifty six and twenty since April nine.

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Speaker 3: So after that LORI marketing bet. I lost that day,

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Speaker 3: we hung out. Yeah, I think I've lost even a

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Speaker 1: Two like on a day.

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Speaker 3: I think I had a day where I bet like

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like a little bit of Yeah.

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Speaker 3: But I think I'm twelve of my last thirteen, so

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Speaker 1: But let's get.

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Speaker 3: Into the NFC West will go pretty much player by

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Speaker 1: Yeah, price, price where he should be going.

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Speaker 2: Maybe justin feels Matt Naggie, but I mean, Matt Safford

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Speaker 2: This is the best offensive system he's going to be

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Speaker 3: Like, I don't want him as a top two receiver

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's one of those guys that could just

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Speaker 3: like you said, you're not going to be in every week. Yeah, Tarker,

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Speaker 3: All right, let's talk about cam Akers because this is

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Speaker 3: a tough one for me. He's going as the RB sixteen.

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Speaker 3: You know, came off that injury last year. What was

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Speaker 1: He's back by what late December I think it was,

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Speaker 3: Seventy five carries regular in postseason seventy five carries yep,

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Speaker 3: You need so many carries to kind of use past

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Speaker 1: Knew in his rookie year in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 2: I'm willing to forgive him. He's still in one of

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Speaker 2: We can get to that when we talked about Darryl Henderson,

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Speaker 2: But I think that you know, Sean McVay expects Cakers

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Speaker 2: we go. I just think that, Yeah, like I'm willing

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Speaker 2: never say never. So if if you were to come back,

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Speaker 2: But with Akers, you're just investing in this offense and

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Speaker 2: his job security. I think he has both. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I think it's I think it's too

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Speaker 3: and I've said this before, it's like, I really hope

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Speaker 3: necessarily that like ranking cam Akers is you know, in

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Speaker 1: I guess it's too.

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Speaker 3: High per se, but there's a lot of risk, there's

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Speaker 3: whether you want to draft Cam Akers. I'd rather be

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Speaker 3: drafting from like a Terry McLaurin or you know what

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Speaker 3: I mean. Like there's so much quality wide receivers. It's

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, it's almost like this this range running backs kind

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard of that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I agree completely with Like our rank for

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Speaker 2: like you said, Terry McLaurin, there isn't much risk you

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean even like there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: So yeah, Daryl Henderson, I don't know, I feel.

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Speaker 3: Like he's gonna be on a good amount of my

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Speaker 3: we don't know exactly when we're gonna need him, but

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Speaker 1: But I don't know, what do you think.

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Speaker 2: I'm worried about him because you know, the one way

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Speaker 2: maybe through the passing game. But you know, the Rams

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Speaker 2: Like you could tell that he just doesn't like trusting

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Speaker 2: I'm a bit worried. Normally he is, you know, slam

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think. I mean, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Getting you know, you know, he got hurt.

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Speaker 3: That was that also kind of played into the show,

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Speaker 3: that's not you know, that's not nothing there. So I

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Speaker 2: So yeah, no, I just like a late round, I

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Speaker 3: Light All right, let's go okay, So anybody, you know,

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Speaker 1: Kind of still bust conversation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I wouldn't say he's overvalued because, like we said,

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Speaker 2: cam Akers is probably ranked exactly where we have him

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Speaker 2: right now, but just the risk you're taking on in

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Speaker 2: Rams don't really have any weaknesses. I think every player

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Speaker 2: think he's worth the risk.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I think Acres for me just kind

435
00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:14,120
Speaker 1: of stands out.

436
00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:17,399
Speaker 3: It's just a floor, you know, obviously the ceiling is

437
00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:19,720
Speaker 3: what it is, but I'd rather get running.

438
00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:20,879
Speaker 1: Backs before I have to deal with that.

439
00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:26,119
Speaker 3: All right, let's go to San Francisco and the conversation

440
00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,439
Speaker 3: has to start with Trey Lance. Jimmy Garoppolo still on

441
00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:33,080
Speaker 3: the roster. Kyle Shanahan said, probably going to trade him,

442
00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:36,479
Speaker 3: which is I mean, that's honest, you know, But the

443
00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:39,760
Speaker 3: fact is he's not. He hasn't been traded. It's he's

444
00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:43,359
Speaker 3: hard to move right now. They said, Trey Lance. You know,

445
00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:48,200
Speaker 3: first we've heard rumors like he's been a little underwhelming,

446
00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:50,760
Speaker 3: but you know, try to take that with a grain

447
00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:52,959
Speaker 3: of salt because I don't know exactly how those rumors

448
00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,679
Speaker 3: came about. And then but but I have I have

449
00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:58,320
Speaker 3: kind of from what I've gathered, you know, he hasn't

450
00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:00,720
Speaker 3: made any changes to the throwing motion or thing like that.

451
00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:03,560
Speaker 3: So it's kind of we're getting the same guy as

452
00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:05,760
Speaker 3: last year. It's just you know, how much I guess

453
00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:07,480
Speaker 3: mentally is.

454
00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:08,119
Speaker 2: He going to improve?

455
00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:11,920
Speaker 3: So he's going around quarterback thirteen, I mean, I guess

456
00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,199
Speaker 3: where where is he worth? Like the upside that we

457
00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,360
Speaker 3: know he has in terms of being a running quarterback,

458
00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:18,879
Speaker 3: because is thirteen fine? You know, taking him outside that

459
00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:20,920
Speaker 3: top twelve, would you go higher, would you go lower?

460
00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:25,760
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think thirteen's fine. He has QB one upside certainly,

461
00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,720
Speaker 2: but he does have some issues, yes, to escape in

462
00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:31,200
Speaker 2: the offseason. I mean number one, they can't trade away

463
00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:34,200
Speaker 2: Deebo Samuel that that would hurt his value quite a bit.

464
00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:36,680
Speaker 2: And then number two, they kind of have to trade

465
00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:38,879
Speaker 2: away Jimmy G. I mean, what are the chances you

466
00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:42,080
Speaker 2: think that Jimmy G's sticking around this year? Is it

467
00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:44,639
Speaker 2: above twenty percent now or Yeah?

468
00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,200
Speaker 3: Probably I would say probably maybe twenty five percent, twenty

469
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,480
Speaker 3: five thirty, like twenty five to thirty three, like a

470
00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:51,800
Speaker 3: quarter to a third chance that he's on the roster,

471
00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:53,680
Speaker 3: because it's just that he's not going to be able

472
00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,000
Speaker 3: to be moved until later, and you just never know

473
00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:59,520
Speaker 3: what could happen in between then, especially if Mayfield gets

474
00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:02,480
Speaker 3: moved for first, you know that that would take another

475
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:04,320
Speaker 3: team kind of out of the running for him, and

476
00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:08,080
Speaker 3: the Niners would have zero leverage in terms of in

477
00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:08,760
Speaker 3: terms of a move.

478
00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:10,840
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think there's a decent chance.

479
00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,800
Speaker 3: And then comes to question like does he start though,

480
00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:15,680
Speaker 3: Like if if Jimmy G's on a roster.

481
00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,480
Speaker 1: Does he start right, like, that's.

482
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,520
Speaker 2: Gonna be No, that's I'm saying that's gonna be like

483
00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,040
Speaker 2: fifty to fifty, right, I mean, yeah, we would hope

484
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:26,000
Speaker 2: they would pivot to Lance, but nothing's agaven when it

485
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,760
Speaker 2: comes to call Shanahan. We know that. So yeah, so

486
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:32,520
Speaker 2: there is a lot of risk in late May drafting

487
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,359
Speaker 2: Trey Lance at QB thirteen. So if if you're in

488
00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:37,160
Speaker 2: the best ball, it's probably worth the risk because you're

489
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,640
Speaker 2: shooting for upside. But then again, you can't make any

490
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:44,720
Speaker 2: moves to kind of escape a situation where Lance's value

491
00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 2: takes a hit. So it's it's a tough call. So

492
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,520
Speaker 2: it's unfortunate that he's not being drafted, you know, like

493
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 2: last year on QB twenty, and it's easier to take

494
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 2: on the risk. Thirteen's probably the peak for me. I

495
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,359
Speaker 2: don't think I would take him inside the top twelve,

496
00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,800
Speaker 2: although he has that kind of upside, So I would

497
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,159
Speaker 2: like to see him fall maybe into the fifteen sixteen

498
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:04,720
Speaker 2: range before actually considering him.

499
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:08,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, like, you know, it's really a situation where it's

500
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:11,120
Speaker 3: right now. I feel like you don't want to rely

501
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 3: on him as your QB one. You know, if we

502
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,439
Speaker 3: get into the season and they're like, okay, he's going

503
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 3: to start week run regardless of what's going on. Obviously

504
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 3: I'm fine waiting and taking him as my QB one

505
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:24,600
Speaker 3: because you know, he can run and he has good

506
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:28,359
Speaker 3: a good receiving corps, so you know, a lot of

507
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 3: upside there. But right now, there's really you know, I

508
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,399
Speaker 3: think quarterback thirteen is fair because it's like essentially the

509
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 3: first the highest rated backup, you know, fantasy wise, which

510
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 3: I think is fair Deebo Samuel's wide receiver seven. I

511
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 3: mean there's two things to consider we're him. Number one

512
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 3: is the trade situation. Number two, I mean, how many

513
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,399
Speaker 3: how much does he play running back again, because I

514
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,399
Speaker 3: think that really kind of stabilized his value, you know,

515
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 3: even when and he was great over year even as

516
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:57,959
Speaker 3: just a pure pass catcher, but I mean getting those

517
00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,400
Speaker 3: running back snaps and you know, being able to add

518
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 3: like you know, seven five to eight carries and get

519
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 3: you know, thirty forty yards and some touchdowns on the ground,

520
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 3: which is something most receivers.

521
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 1: Are just never going to do.

522
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 3: So you know, what do you think of a trade

523
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:13,879
Speaker 3: situation and what do you think of his usage?

524
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:15,159
Speaker 1: If he does remain with the Niners.

525
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was going to ask you about that as well,

526
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 2: but I'll go first, Like, I don't know if we'll

527
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,920
Speaker 2: see the five to eight carries a game. I think

528
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,200
Speaker 2: that was like necessity at the end of the year.

529
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 2: Anytime they're in a must win situation, you know, you

530
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,199
Speaker 2: want to just give Deebo the ball as much as possible.

531
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 2: I don't know if he can say that for all

532
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,959
Speaker 2: seventeen weeks, but I have him around maybe four carries

533
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,880
Speaker 2: a game, you know, as a reasonable projection for next year.

534
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 2: And his receiving usage did take a slight hit once

535
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 2: they did start using it running back. But either way,

536
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 2: like he's a top ten wide receiver just based on

537
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 2: that usage. He has massive touching on upside both you know, rushing,

538
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 2: they'd like to give him the ball around the goal lines.

539
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 2: That's huge and as a receiver, and he's amazing after

540
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,919
Speaker 2: the catch, so he doesn't need that many catches to

541
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 2: you know, churn out some So I do think that

542
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 2: maybe Trey Lance, you know, as the Week one starter,

543
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 2: probably does hurt Debos receiving upside a bit. But again,

544
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 2: if they're using as you know, a quasi running back

545
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 2: that helps solidify as weekly force. So right now, yeah,

546
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 2: I'm giving about four carries a game. How about you?

547
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm probably more around like two and a half

548
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:19,160
Speaker 3: to three.

549
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 1: Actually, I just I think that's because, like I think.

550
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 3: The Tyry and Davis Price uh selection in the draft

551
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 3: that you know, running back a little bit of a

552
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:28,879
Speaker 3: head scratcher to a lot of people.

553
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 1: But I think that may be one of the things

554
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 1: they're trying to limit.

555
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,160
Speaker 3: Is Okay, you know, we essentially didn't have a guy

556
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 3: we felt comfortable with outside of Elijah Mitchell. You know,

557
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,920
Speaker 3: we didn't feel comfortable with Trey Sermon, Jamichael Haste. We

558
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 3: didn't feel comfortable with him as a runner, maybe as

559
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,880
Speaker 3: a pass catcher, and so you know, now they draft

560
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 3: a guy.

561
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:48,119
Speaker 1: So I think I think.

562
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,919
Speaker 3: The objective would be to use Debo at wide receiver

563
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 3: and and and he was great at wier here. I

564
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,920
Speaker 3: mean I remember it was like week you know, three

565
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 3: or four is already like, oh, we got to get

566
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 3: him inside the top five, like.

567
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,360
Speaker 2: You called that. Yeah, we're ranks right now.

568
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:03,640
Speaker 1: Right around there, right around seven or eight.

569
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, just I think there's a little bit of uncertainty,

570
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 3: So I never you know, if I can get you know,

571
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 3: DeVante and Tyreek and some of those guys ahead of him,

572
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 3: you know, will I yeah, because I just.

573
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 1: Think there's more certainty with those guys.

574
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,199
Speaker 3: Mike Evans, for example, I'd feel a little cut more

575
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 3: comfortable with just as of now, just because we don't

576
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,639
Speaker 3: know where he's going to land, and we know and truthfully,

577
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 3: you know, we don't know exactly what Trey Lance is

578
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 3: and how he would affect him, because you know, the

579
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:31,639
Speaker 3: stats are interesting touchdown wise, he had he caught three

580
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:36,119
Speaker 3: touchdowns from Garoppolo last year on ninety eight attempts on

581
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 3: ninety eight targets. He caught three touchdowns from Lance on

582
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 3: twenty three targets.

583
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,360
Speaker 1: So I mean, yeah, exactly.

584
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 3: But the completion percentage with Garoppolo sixty eight percent. The

585
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 3: completion percentage with Lance was forty four percent. So I

586
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,399
Speaker 3: think there's just a little more uncertainty, a little more

587
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 3: variance if Trey Lance becomes the quarterback, Like, it could

588
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,919
Speaker 3: be great or it could be different because Lance is

589
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 3: looking deep and Samuel was going a little more underneath,

590
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:03,919
Speaker 3: and you know, it could have just been something that

591
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 3: was more tailor made to Garoppolo. So you know, just

592
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,400
Speaker 3: all that uncertainty is. You know, I'm cautious. I think

593
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 3: he's a great player, but yeah, he's another guy, like

594
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 3: maybe even probably more so than Cup even though had

595
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 3: the outlier, Like I don't know if we could expect

596
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 3: to repeat last season like they he was just so

597
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 3: good season.

598
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 2: There's also the uncertainty with him possibly being traded. Is

599
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,360
Speaker 2: there any way that his value would go up via

600
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 2: a trader? Do you think it's only down or probably

601
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 2: just if he went.

602
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 1: To the Falcons.

603
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 3: Because just because he would get all the target like

604
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 3: he would get so many targets, that is true, But

605
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 3: I mean, like the quarterback, I mean, you know, I mean,

606
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 3: we don't know how much of a down graade really

607
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 3: Marcus Mariota to just to be honest, but yeah, there's

608
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 3: I can't see it going up because just as Shanahan,

609
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 3: like at the end of the day, Shanahan's the man

610
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 3: in terms of he unlocked debo, I feel like, and

611
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 3: you know that that would be tough to replicate. I

612
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 3: mean there's there's places he could go where you say, okay,

613
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 3: he could probably he would be the number one receiver

614
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 3: in target Hog right off the bat, like Atlanta he

615
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 3: would be.

616
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 1: I think Indianapoli would probably.

617
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 3: Love to have him, but you know, it's no team

618
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 3: that like sticks out. Is like it's a better situation

619
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 3: than having Kyle Shanahan, you know calling the place.

620
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

621
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm not fading deevo or anything, but yeah,

622
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 3: there's probably trying to take him at the you know,

623
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 3: back endo that top ten in receivers brought about Ayuk.

624
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:30,639
Speaker 1: He's going as.

625
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 3: Forty wide receiver forty you know, I think, and the

626
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 3: debo question kind of relates to Ayuk as well, because

627
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 3: Number one, you really took off when Deebo started you

628
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 3: playing more snaps of running back. That's when I you

629
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 3: really became consistent week in week out for the most part.

630
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 3: But at the same time, it also kind of worries

631
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 3: me because like year two of Ayuk was still very

632
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 3: uni even and he didn't take like that massive leap

633
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 3: forward that you want to see out of receivers at

634
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 3: that stage of their career.

635
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 1: It was kind of a tail of two seasons.

636
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 3: And his success wasn't really of his own doing as

637
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 3: much as it was of the team essentially losing its

638
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 3: number one receiver to the backfield. So I mean, I

639
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 3: you know, where are you on on you kenn In

640
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 3: to this year.

641
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, he certainly had the tail of two halves last year.

642
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 2: The first half we were just trying to figure out

643
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 2: what's going on. But yeah, I was going to say

644
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 2: he definitely benefited once they changed Debo's role a bit.

645
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 2: He saw twenty percent targets per out run over that

646
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 2: final eight nine game stretch when he was running a

647
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 2: route like over ninety five percent of the time, So

648
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 2: he was the main white out during that time. But

649
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 2: like that's the thing, right, you don't know you're going

650
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 2: to get with the Kyle shanahanigans where we don't know

651
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 2: what to expect. So I think that he is one

652
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 2: of those guys that he probably is going to be

653
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 2: the one pass catcher that's hurt the most by Trey Lance.

654
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 2: I think, not that I don't think Trey Lance has

655
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 2: an arm that can throw down field, but just you know,

656
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 2: they're going to limit the passing volume of Trey Lance

657
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 2: is going to scramble more. A guy like Deebo can

658
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 2: certainly still thrive in that kind of system, but I

659
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 2: just think his his floor is a bit too low

660
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 2: to be taking that early at wide receiver for forty

661
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 2: and you know that stretch weeks nine, three, eighteen. Last

662
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 2: year he was wide receiver thirteen. That's his ceiling. I

663
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 2: don't know if we'll get that again this year, but yeah,

664
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 2: wide receiver forty feels about right displaying the difference, but

665
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 2: I'd rather take a guy with more upside in that range.

666
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I just think I wanted to see

667
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 3: more consistency at a year too. And even twenty percent

668
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 3: targets per route run is it's solid, but it's still

669
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 3: more like it's not amazing to where you're like, oh

670
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 3: my god, like the underlying.

671
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it helped with he was playing ninety five percent

672
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 2: of the route.

673
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, so like he could he could be like

674
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 1: a rich Man's Van Jefferson this year for all weeks. Like, yeah,

675
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 1: I think forty is a little too high.

676
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, but the only thing is there's some like underlying upside.

677
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 3: If Geebo does get traded, then oh yeah, you got

678
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 3: to steal. But I mean, you know most people aren't

679
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 3: drafting this time that you're outside of best ball anyway,

680
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 3: so you know, yeah, I'd prefer to fade him and

681
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 3: try to find somebody with a little more upside to

682
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 3: be like they're true the team's true number one receiver

683
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 3: on a higher volume offense.

684
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: Kittle. Kittle's going at tight end five.

685
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 3: We kind of know what he is is just more

686
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 3: about health. But but any thoughts on George Kittle. I

687
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,479
Speaker 3: know he's kind of it's him and Kyle Pitts and uh,

688
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 3: you know Waller, they're kind of a little bit some

689
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 3: you know in the in the rankings, right next to

690
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 3: each other.

691
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on Kittle?

692
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he's right there, like you said, tier two

693
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 2: with Waller and Pits I have him like all tied

694
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 2: for tight end three. So it's one of those situations

695
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 2: where you just want to take the last one on

696
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 2: the board in this range or wait for Dalton Schultz.

697
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 2: Dalton Schultz is sort of the TJ. Hawkinson of last

698
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 2: season where he's really the cutoff I think before you

699
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 2: get sort of in a streaming territory. So still like Kittle,

700
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 2: he's a guy that he was pretty inconsistent at the

701
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 2: end of last year once Deebo did become more of

702
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 2: a runner. So that is a concern. It's a concern

703
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 2: that the one game he played with Trey Lance, he

704
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 2: had one catch for twenty nine yards. So he's another

705
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 2: guy where I think Trey Lance doesn't help his you know,

706
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 2: draft stock. But again, at the end of the day,

707
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 2: he's probably the best pure tight end in the league,

708
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 2: So you know, getting him a tight end five, it's

709
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 2: hard to pass that up, but that that ranking feels

710
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 2: about right heading into the season.

711
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I still think, you like, there is a

712
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 3: big drop off at tight end. I mean even a

713
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 3: guy like Dalton Schultz, like he's had with one year

714
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 3: of you know, production, like we even trusting a guy

715
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 3: like him.

716
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, because like you know, how we get you get into.

717
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 3: Trouble when you start trying to draft those like tier

718
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 3: after because I still consider even those Kittles in tier

719
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 3: two of the tight ends, he's still like a stud.

720
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: It's just like stud one beat tier.

721
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, where he's like Kelsey and Andrews are stud one

722
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 3: a tier and everyone maybe you know, maybe Pitts gets

723
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 3: into there, maybe you know, maybe want to get Yeah, really.

724
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 2: Guys in that range. Last year that I was knocking

725
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 2: it was like no offense, Robert Tanyan.

726
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like those guys, and then the year year

727
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 3: before that, it was like Oj Howard and Evan Ingram.

728
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, what I mean, it's it's it's a slippery slope.

729
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 1: It's like, I don't we need a name for it.

730
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 3: It's not weird gone, but like that tight end, it's

731
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 3: a slippery slope of guys.

732
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:16,239
Speaker 2: We need to workshop. It's specifically the guys after these

733
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 2: elite guys, but it's sort of the streaming range. We

734
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 2: absolutely need to workshop and named for that because every

735
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 2: year we encountered this.

736
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 3: So yeah, like somebody's gonna somebody's gonna face play Tyler

737
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 3: Higbee a couple of years ago, is that in that situation?

738
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: Oh, like a lot of those a lot of this too. Yeah,

739
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: well yeah last year, I guess that was last year.

740
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, the year before that too. He was coming

741
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 2: off that massive, you know, final sixteen stretch and then

742
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 2: gerald Ever came back and we didn't know what to do,

743
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 2: and yeah hest three years ago already, that was two

744
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 2: years ago. Three years when was hig Beast? That was

745
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen, the end of twenty nineteen was hig Beast? Yes, yeah,

746
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 2: twenty twenty and gerald Ever came back. We didn't know

747
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 2: what to do and he busted right, and then last

748
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 2: year he essentially yep.

749
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, So that's that's I mean that all that to say,

750
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 3: even though George Kittle might not be like that number one,

751
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 3: two or three guy that he was in years past

752
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 3: in terms of the rankings, I still think there's a

753
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 3: lot of value in taking him, as you said, is

754
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 3: the last guy before there's a massive teardrop.

755
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:20,879
Speaker 1: So Kittle was a guy that I've had on quite

756
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 1: a few of my teams. All right, let's talk about

757
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 1: I mean, we don't have to talk about.

758
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 2: Niners running backs right because, you know, just your most

759
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:31,720
Speaker 2: favorite topic on Earth.

760
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 1: I mean, what do you think of Mitchell here?

761
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 3: Because how are you projecting Mitchell's volume, Because like you

762
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 3: say this every year and you're I don't think you've

763
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 3: been wrong yet.

764
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: It's like you got to take the Niners back with

765
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 1: the least the least likely to.

766
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 3: Blow up is the one that blows up, and the

767
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 3: one that starts the year as a starter never ends

768
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,839
Speaker 3: the year as a starter. So I mean Mitchell right

769
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 3: now is going as the running running back twenty four.

770
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 3: He was very good last year, so like I think

771
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 3: he's under like absolutely going to start the year as

772
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 3: the starter. I don't think he's going to lose the

773
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 3: job in camp to like a Davis Price or a

774
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 3: Sermon or anybody else on that roster.

775
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: He was legitimately good. But we know.

776
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 3: Shanahan how he feels is that like you can't give

777
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 3: running back to his high usage because they get hurt

778
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 3: and he you know, he.

779
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 1: Had a whift through it.

780
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 3: He's whift through it every pretty much every year he's

781
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 3: been a coach at the Nineers that the backs of

782
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 3: you know guys are at trouble staying healthy. So I mean,

783
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 3: how do you kind of addle that up into a projection?

784
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 2: You can't, right, you can. Yeah, the Niners are the

785
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 2: only team where I just refuse to project because he's

786
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,359
Speaker 2: one of the toughest decisions at running back right now.

787
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 2: I haven't projected running back twenty four right line with ADP.

788
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 2: But if he if he's the same workhorse back we

789
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 2: saw last year and he stays healthy, he's going to

790
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 2: absolutely crush his ADP. But like you said, the fran

791
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 2: Ares backfield is rarely predictable and it has less to

792
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 2: do with talent, right It's it's all about the scheme.

793
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 2: They run the outside zone. Kyle Shanahan is a genius.

794
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 2: So whoever they put back there is gonna tear it up.

795
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 2: And you know, twenty twenty one it was Elijah Mitchell.

796
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 2: He was a third or fourth running back drafted in Fantasy.

797
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 2: The year before that, Jeff Wilson, he was a third

798
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:17,280
Speaker 2: or fourth back draft in Fantasy. Wheheem Mosert and twenty nineteen,

799
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 2: same thing, Matt Brida twenty eighteen, same thing. So yeah,

800
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 2: like what do we do with that? So it's it's

801
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 2: just an uncertainty. Is really the risk and at running

802
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,359
Speaker 2: back twenty four this is the frozen pond range. If

803
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 2: you want to take that on, be my guest. But

804
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 2: it is tough, so especially since the Foreign airs drafted

805
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:36,919
Speaker 2: ty Davis Price in the third round. But we've also

806
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 2: learned that needs nothing either wink wink, Tony Tray sermon

807
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 2: last year. So it's really tough. As always, I think

808
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,320
Speaker 2: the plan here is just go with the cheapest running

809
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 2: back later in the drafts and hope you strike gold

810
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 2: pun intended. But it's tough because Elijah Mitchell, he, like

811
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 2: you said, he was freaking good last year. There's no

812
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 2: reason to think that he's just gonna lose his job

813
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 2: just when it comes to his backfield. You can't take

814
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:04,399
Speaker 2: anything for granted. Unfortunately.

815
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 3: I think the one thing about Mitchell and that I

816
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:10,439
Speaker 3: think is a little bit different from Raereiem Mostert, who

817
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 3: he was another one that you know kind of jumped

818
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 3: up to the top of that depth jar. The one

819
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 3: thing that's different about Mitchell that I've noticed anyway, is

820
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 3: that he was heavily used pretty much every time he

821
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 3: was active, whereas like Moster, it was just a top back,

822
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 3: but like they were still working in like three four

823
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 3: guys behind him, Like sometimes they would have like Brita

824
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 3: and h I forget who else was there? Was it,

825
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 3: Tevin Coleman, Like they would have a whole bunch of

826
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 3: guys working in. Uh, most are just happened to kind

827
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 3: of run away with the job and.

828
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:39,240
Speaker 1: He kept making big plays.

829
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,720
Speaker 3: But with Mitchell, he's played fourteen games as a pro

830
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 3: that he's been active. He's got seventeen to more caries

831
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 3: and eleven of those games. So it was like this

832
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:50,919
Speaker 3: was a guy that they were really kind of going

833
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,399
Speaker 3: either way to use. And I know it also there

834
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 3: were also injuries and but but the bottom line is,

835
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 3: like you know, there there was always three backs active

836
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 3: at least for the Niners, and with Mitchell, it just

837
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 3: didn't seem like they wanted to use those other guys

838
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 3: as much as they did with some of these other

839
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 3: backs that have kind of taken a hold of their job.

840
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 3: So I think that is if you're looking for like

841
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 3: a positive to maybe break the trend, I think it's that, like,

842
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 3: you know, you can't. I mean, there's that many backs

843
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 3: in the league that you could count on for, you know,

844
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,720
Speaker 3: to get seventeen plus carries eighty percent of the time,

845
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 3: you know.

846
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's tough. I mean, he played through some

847
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 2: pretty serious injuries last year, which is huge, and I

848
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 2: think that might it's maybe I'm looking into it too much,

849
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 2: but that might see why. Yeah, they go through running

850
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 2: backs so much this outside zone scheme. I mean they're

851
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 2: they're trusting the blockers so much that sometimes there's a

852
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 2: gap there and they have an explosive run or they

853
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 2: just take a shot. So these backs do take a

854
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:42,280
Speaker 2: beating playing the scheme. It's good for fantasy, but maybe

855
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 2: that does contribute to them getting dinged up a little

856
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 2: bit more than other backs. But he played through injury

857
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 2: last year. The only downside I could really think of

858
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 2: outside of just our obscure Kyle Shanahan series is what

859
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 2: do you think about you know, just him with Trey

860
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 2: Lan center center and Debo in his role last year,

861
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 2: you know, he's very involved around the goal. I'm like,

862
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,879
Speaker 2: is this going to negatively impact Mitchell's touch up sign?

863
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 3: I think it could because, you know, just kind of

864
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 3: reading the beat reports and kind of sifting through the

865
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 3: puff pieces at this time of year, I did see,

866
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 3: you know, talk of you know, one of the reasons

867
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 3: you know maybe they drafted Price. You know, just Mitchell

868
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 3: struggled and the team, I shouldn't say Mitchell himself, the

869
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 3: team struggled in short yarded situations last year running the football,

870
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 3: which I mean, I think the one that comes to

871
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 3: mind is the the what was it the tackle going

872
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 3: in motion on a quarterback sneak, So I mean they're

873
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 3: there definitely were like grassmen for straws at times with

874
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 3: in the short yard situation. So I could see that

875
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 3: as being somewhat of a negative thing. And then you're

876
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 3: in a situation where Mitchell's probably going to be like

877
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 3: a two down back who's not getting.

878
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: All the goal line work.

879
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,720
Speaker 3: That's like a mirror doula territory from from the lines

880
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 3: of you a few years. Yeah, but at the same time,

881
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 3: this dude is good. So like I I think, I

882
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 3: think it's it's a high.

883
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 1: Risk, high reward pick.

884
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 3: I put it that way, like, oh, I think he's

885
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 3: one of those guys where if I get like a

886
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 3: running back early in the first round, and then I

887
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 3: go with, like I get like three stud receivers or like,

888
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 3: you know, two stud receivers in one of the top

889
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,800
Speaker 3: five tight ends, and then and then maybe I'm drafting

890
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 3: Mitchell ins like my RB two in the sixth or

891
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 3: seventh round is like a you know, I could I

892
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,399
Speaker 3: can handle if he busts, essentially because I'm probably gonna

893
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 3: draft another like Mitchell type like Damian Harris like in

894
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:25,800
Speaker 3: the next round.

895
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 1: Then I could see it.

896
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 3: But he's he's gotta fit your draft plan, and like

897
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 3: I rather draft Mitchell. I would say this, I'd rather

898
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 3: draft Mitchell at like RB twenty four to twenty five,

899
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 3: then draft like Cam Akers at RB like fifteen, just

900
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 3: because I think there's similar floor of like near not zero,

901
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 3: but like either an injury or just like not having

902
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 3: the full workload, similar floors. So I think he's in

903
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 3: a better spot to reap, you know, the benefits. He's still,

904
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,879
Speaker 3: you know, an ascending player. He had a great rookie year,

905
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 3: and he's in a very run friendly off So it's

906
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 3: like there are things to like about Elijah Mitchell.

907
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 1: So yeah, but that he's got to fit your draft plan.

908
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 3: So I think if you can, if you're really just

909
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 3: nailing like studs at your like four other five other

910
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 3: positions and then Mitchell and then you have to rely

911
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 3: on Mitchell is like your week one RB two. I mean,

912
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 3: that's gonna be the best time of relying anyway. Week one,

913
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 3: Week two, week three, earlier in the year. I don't

914
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 3: hate it. I don't hate it, right, but yeah, you

915
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 3: just can't guarantee you guys out there listening that he's

916
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 3: going to be the number one running back and have.

917
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 1: That same role for at seventeen weeks.

918
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 2: I would say that's sort of when the frozen pond

919
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:36,839
Speaker 2: comes in. End is right around that RB twenty four range,

920
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:40,359
Speaker 2: because you do hit that territory. We have backs that

921
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 2: don't have a defined role or the backup like AJ

922
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 2: Dillon or you know, Miles Sanders, Devin Singletary. Certainly they

923
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 2: have upside, but there is risk once you get past

924
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 2: RB twenty four. So that's why I'm a little bit

925
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 2: more willing, Like you said, then you know, taking cam

926
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 2: Akers at RB eighteen to take a flare on a

927
00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 2: guy like Elijah Mitchell run that RB twenty four range.

928
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 2: I think that's sort of the tail end of the

929
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,359
Speaker 2: frozen pond where it's it's kind of worth the risk.

930
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, because like with like with some positions, like when

931
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 3: when it's a premium thing, it's like, all right, you

932
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 3: go with the last guy in a tier, like a

933
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 3: George Kittle, Whereas like I think Mitchell is like one

934
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 3: of the you could consider him a last guy in

935
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 3: a tier, but he's almost like he's more one of

936
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 3: the first guys in the tier after the tier. Yeah,

937
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 3: And it's tough, yeah, but but yeah, I don't mind it.

938
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 3: But you know, Terry and Davis Price, I feel like

939
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 3: a lot of the you know, people that are you know, skew,

940
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 3: you know, on a younger side or more into the

941
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 3: college game or whatever, just kind of into the best

942
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 3: ball scene are probably going to be higher on him.

943
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 3: And then you know, there's gonna be a lot of

944
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 3: casual drafters that come back in August and are like,

945
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 3: who the hell is this guy?

946
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 1: So, I mean, like what you what is your what

947
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:51,280
Speaker 1: are your thoughts on Davis Price?

948
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 3: Why they drafted him, and realistically what shot does he

949
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 3: have of beating this like RB fifty ish ADP.

950
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it's tough that you can't get him that

951
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 2: cheap because there's certainly a lot of risk taking him.

952
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,839
Speaker 2: He's he could be the next Elijah Mitchell or the

953
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 2: next Tray Sermon. It'll probably end up being in between,

954
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 2: but he's going where he probably should go. Like I said,

955
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:20,359
Speaker 2: it is why he's usually taking the cheapest for an

956
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,800
Speaker 2: air backup. And if we're looking at the past four seasons,

957
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 2: it wouldn't be Davis Price. It would actually be like

958
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 2: Jeff Wilson or Trey Sermon or somebody we're not actually

959
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 2: considering or discussing today. But I think that just give

960
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 2: him a third round draft capital and sort of ignoring

961
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 2: the Trey Sermon fiasco last year. You know, I think

962
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 2: Davis Price is a sneaky flyer in the RB fifty

963
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 2: range because again this is just injury upside total, you know,

964
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 2: just wild shot in the dark kind of flyer range.

965
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 2: So just given just the Kyle shanahanigans we've been talking about.

966
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 2: He does make sense there, but again, like it wouldn't

967
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 2: surprize me if he never starts all season long and

968
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 2: is a bus But that's that's kind of what you

969
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 2: get when you like a flyer in a four and

970
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 2: arrows back your favorite position group in all of football.

971
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 3: I mean, listen, I think you can't ignore Trey Sermon

972
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 3: because he you have to acknowledge Tray Sermon's terribleness in

973
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 3: order to take a flyer on Davis Price. Because listen,

974
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 3: like Jeff Wilson, Elijah Mitchell, all those guys, they were

975
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 3: never in the doghouse, like you know what I mean,

976
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 3: Like they just happened to pop from deep on the

977
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 3: depth chart because maybe somebody else got in the doghouse,

978
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 3: somebody else got injured whatever not.

979
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 1: So it's like Tray Surmon, in my opinion, like he's

980
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 1: done like he was.

981
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 3: It's like Dante Pettis right, It's like, what it's really

982
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 3: hard to get out with that Kyle Shanahan dog house like.

983
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 2: He was in what three four games maybe, but he

984
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 2: broke out of it. But it is tough.

985
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 1: Was that the doghouse or is he just like not

986
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:51,399
Speaker 1: that good was a mixture of both, right, Yeah, I mean,

987
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 1: because that's the difference.

988
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 2: I think.

989
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:54,760
Speaker 3: I don't know if he was ever in the doghouse

990
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:56,439
Speaker 3: in the same way. I mean, I know, I guess

991
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 3: he was because Kyle Shanahan called him out about something.

992
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,359
Speaker 3: Practice role, so I guess I guess that's a fair one.

993
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 3: But at running back is like you can just hand

994
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 3: it to Kyle. He can just use Kyle ust Check

995
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 3: as the half back like that's usually his. Like when

996
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 3: when shit hits the fan, it's like you just see

997
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 3: Kyle ust Check in the backfield on third downs, like.

998
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, or Devo.

999
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 3: It's like somebody that's not on the depth chart at

1000
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 3: half back. So yeah, Davis Price, Listen, there's another guy

1001
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 3: that I that goes in his range that I rather

1002
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:26,720
Speaker 3: get and it's a similar situation.

1003
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 1: He might have zero role.

1004
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 3: But Brian Robinson Junior on Washington, on the Washington Commanders,

1005
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 3: I think they I think Antonio Gibson really like wore

1006
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 3: down last year and that's that's the guy they drafted to.

1007
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 1: Kind of lighten that load up a little bit.

1008
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 3: So you know, I like him as well, But I

1009
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 3: think Davis Price is definitely someone to monitor in the preseason,

1010
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 3: because not just monitoring him, but monitor Mitchell too, because

1011
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 3: like if we get every report that Mitchell is getting, like.

1012
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: Every single number one rep, and like, yeah.

1013
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 3: Maybe they just they want to cut it, like you

1014
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 3: know a lot of times like these code it's like

1015
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 3: we want to give give him a lesser workload and

1016
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 3: that just means like seventeen touches instead of twenty touches,

1017
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 3: which is like an immaterial difference in terms of drafting

1018
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 3: a fantasy running back too.

1019
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm trying to remember heading into Week one,

1020
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 2: like I'm trying. I guess I should pull my week

1021
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 2: one projections. But Mitchell just kind of came out of

1022
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 2: nor right, So.

1023
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 3: Everyone got hurt in Week one, most like broke his

1024
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 3: knee or something, and oh, that's right, and then like

1025
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 3: two other guys got hurt and Mitchell was like and

1026
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 3: then Mitchell, I think got.

1027
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 1: Hurt, but he came back in the game or something.

1028
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,320
Speaker 2: Like that outside zone scheme.

1029
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 3: Yeah it is all right. So yeah, overvalued, undervalued. I

1030
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 3: think for me, you might be a little bit overvalued

1031
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 3: at this point. And I think undervalued could be Davis price,

1032
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 3: but it could even be Mitchell. So and obviously Lance

1033
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 3: if he's going to be the starter.

1034
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say I used, but just give it.

1035
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:49,840
Speaker 2: You mentioned you made a great point, and if Debo

1036
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 2: gets traded away, I value will go up, So he's

1037
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:56,799
Speaker 2: probably fairly priced. Given that, I'm just gonna go with

1038
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 2: my traditional foreign Andrews running back stamp of sleeper and

1039
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:04,240
Speaker 2: bust here. I'll say the sleeper is ty Davis Price

1040
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 2: just because he's buried on depth chart a bit, and

1041
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 2: the bus would be Elijah Mitchell. Again, I love the talent,

1042
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 2: but it's just so hard to trust this backfield ever

1043
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 2: heading into the season. So I'm just gonna go with

1044
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 2: Davis Price and Mitchell here.

1045
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 3: I was going to Cardinals Kyler Murray going to top

1046
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 3: five quarterback, but in contract negotiations, so skipping the OTAs

1047
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 3: his number one receiver is suspended. But he's got his

1048
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 3: fellow from his buddy from college, Marku's Brown.

1049
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 1: On the team.

1050
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 3: So I mean, how are you kind of approaching Kyler

1051
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 3: at this point in time?

1052
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's tough. There is some concern over a potential holdout,

1053
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 2: I guess, but right now I'm just assuming he's going

1054
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 2: to be playing for Arizona Week one so I think that,

1055
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 2: you know, QB five QB six sounds about right. He

1056
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 2: is gonna you know, his ceiling's a bit capped, especially

1057
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 2: early in the season without Hopkins, but he should be

1058
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 2: able to survive.

1059
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:02,320
Speaker 3: You know.

1060
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 2: Marquis Brown is no slouch. I thought it was good

1061
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 2: how they brought in zach Ertz. They really haven't had

1062
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 2: an effective tight end for quite some time, so, you know,

1063
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 2: I think he has enough weapons to survive and certainly

1064
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 2: has the rushing ability. So I think in that range,

1065
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 2: you know, he's at the end of that tier where

1066
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 2: I think all these quarterbacks have QB one overall upside.

1067
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 2: So I think that the Hopkins news might you know,

1068
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,399
Speaker 2: provide some value given you know, he follows a QB

1069
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:28,839
Speaker 2: six or seven year draft. So I do like where

1070
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 2: he's gone right now.

1071
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:31,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's Kyler Murray.

1072
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 3: He's regardless of what's kind of been the issue, He's

1073
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 3: always performed. He's always going to give you QB one

1074
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 3: numbers and probably high end QB one numbers, you know,

1075
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 3: with or without Hopkins. I think, you know, obviously, I

1076
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 3: think adding Brown helps because Rondelle Moore aj Green, you know,

1077
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 3: you lose Kirk so it's hard to kind of rely

1078
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 3: on those guys. I think Urt is still fine, honestly,

1079
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 3: he would I was kind of I suspected that heading

1080
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 3: into the last year, even though he was still on

1081
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:55,760
Speaker 3: the Eagles.

1082
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't think he's washed. I think

1083
00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz is.

1084
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 2: About that.

1085
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 3: But let's talk about before we get into the guys

1086
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 3: that will be there for a whole year. Like just

1087
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 3: I'm curious as to you know, with your projections and

1088
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 3: bumping Hopkins for the six games, where does he end

1089
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 3: up in your rown?

1090
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:18,479
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, so I have him projected around like wide

1091
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:23,800
Speaker 2: receiver sixty. You know, I'm taking off six games. Yeah,

1092
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,720
Speaker 2: But I always say that that's that's always misleading because,

1093
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:29,799
Speaker 2: especially if you're in a redraft league, the easiest time

1094
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:31,879
Speaker 2: to replace a player is, you know, the first few

1095
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 2: weeks of the season. There's no bye weeks, not many injuries,

1096
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 2: so his value is gonna be much much higher. I

1097
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 2: would value him maybe around wide receiver forty. It's tough

1098
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 2: to say, but his ADP seems to be way too high, right,

1099
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 2: Like I I've been seeing his ADP sort of in

1100
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 2: the you know, up to wide receiver twenty. I don't

1101
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 2: think I've seen him go that high in a draft, but.

1102
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 3: Forty right, he's at thirty seven, which I think is

1103
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 3: fair because I think because that's like, that's the number

1104
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:01,280
Speaker 3: one wide receiver four, Like if you have a twelve

1105
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 3: team week, that would be, you know, thirty seven would

1106
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:04,839
Speaker 3: be the first wide receiver four, which I think is fair.

1107
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 3: I think you don't want to start, you don't want

1108
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 3: to draft him as a starter.

1109
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: Obviously he's gonna miss it.

1110
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 3: But if you want to take that chance at getting

1111
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 3: like a potential you know, wide receiver one for the

1112
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:19,919
Speaker 3: last ten games, yep, and he and he's just now

1113
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 3: you're you know, everyone else, like your wide receiver five

1114
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 3: is your wide receiver four for six weeks, Your wid

1115
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 3: receiver six is you're wide receiver five for six weeks.

1116
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 1: I can get behind it.

1117
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 3: I still think thirty like like I'm like you, I

1118
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:30,879
Speaker 3: would prefer to get him more like in the mid

1119
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 3: mid to you know, mid range wide receiver four. Like

1120
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 3: maybe if he drops to like wide receiver forty forty

1121
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:38,760
Speaker 3: two forty three, it's probably HI might feel more comfortable,

1122
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 3: but I generally actually just don't like taking guys like that, like,

1123
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 3: you know, that are gonna miss such a substantial chunk

1124
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 3: of time, because I think it's you know, all the

1125
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 3: games count the same. It's like, you don't want to

1126
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 3: throw away you're you don't want to kind of mortgage

1127
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 3: your first six weeks of your season and mortgage some

1128
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,359
Speaker 3: depth that maybe you know, you could have drafted another

1129
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 3: running back or a wide receiver that could start in

1130
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:59,320
Speaker 3: your flex for six weeks and maybe make the difference

1131
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 3: between a winning a lot early on in a year

1132
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 3: where it's still you know, those games are important too.

1133
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 1: So I get it.

1134
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 3: It's just not he's another guy that's not really in

1135
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 3: my draft plan, especially because like you know, he's going,

1136
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 3: you know, going towards age thirty probably already, and you

1137
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 3: know the fact that he's you know, getting caught with

1138
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 3: the illegal substances. It's like, is he is he at

1139
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 3: higher risk for injury?

1140
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 2: Now?

1141
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 3: Does he feel like his skills were kind of falling off?

1142
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 3: Because he did miss his most games that he's ever

1143
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 3: missed as a pro last year at age twenty nine,

1144
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 3: he missed seven games. You know, that's something that we

1145
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 3: really hadn't seen out of him before, and I just

1146
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 3: wonder he's getting to that point where his body is

1147
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 3: just breaking down a little bit, like he's I think

1148
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 3: he's still a great receiver, probably maybe a perhaps even

1149
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 3: elite when he's on the field, but it's like the

1150
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 3: signs are there, the smoke is there, and it was fire.

1151
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 2: So yeah, and I was gonna say so, it depends

1152
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 2: on context. If you're in a best Ball league where

1153
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 2: you know there's the giant prizes at the end based

1154
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 2: on like weeks fourteen through seventeen or something, then sure

1155
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 2: you want to shoot for upside. You know Hopkins will

1156
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:05,919
Speaker 2: be healthy and playing by them hopefully, But even when

1157
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 2: he is playing, like, do you even think he has

1158
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 2: wide receiver one potential anymore? You're already getting at that,

1159
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 2: but like, I don't think he does. He is on

1160
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 2: the wrong side of thirty. There's way more mouse of

1161
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,479
Speaker 2: feed now that they brought in zach Ertz, Roundell Moore.

1162
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 2: He doesn't play as much, but he is sort of

1163
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 2: a target hog. Aj Green is this running routes out there,

1164
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 2: and then Marquis Brown. So it's tough, Like it's tough

1165
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 2: to make the case that even when Hopkins is healthy,

1166
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 2: that he even offers that wide receiver one upside. So

1167
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 2: That's that's why I'm with you where I'm kind of

1168
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:36,800
Speaker 2: shying away with his current ADP. It probably needs to

1169
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 2: be sort of you know, in the mid forties to

1170
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:39,840
Speaker 2: consider it.

1171
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:43,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, because i mean, look, he last year he averaged

1172
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 3: a you know, outside of that one year in Houston,

1173
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 3: it was his second career low in yards per game

1174
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 3: at fifty seven point too. I know injuries kind of

1175
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 3: played somewhat of a factor in that. But like I said,

1176
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:55,839
Speaker 3: the writing's on the wall, you know, entering an age

1177
00:52:55,840 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 3: thirty season, starting dabbling in peds with Will Fuller like,

1178
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 3: I'm just not good.

1179
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:04,239
Speaker 1: Freaking me out, man, He's freaking me out.

1180
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:07,720
Speaker 3: And then his quarterbacks like kind of not totally happy

1181
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 3: with the team that's good end in like disaster.

1182
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 1: You know.

1183
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 3: It's like it was like when people were drafted Michael

1184
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 3: Thomas last year. It's like this might not work out,

1185
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 3: this might not end well. So yeah, I'm off Hopkins.

1186
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:20,400
Speaker 3: I think I get it if if you're trying to

1187
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,359
Speaker 3: take that, just don't graft them as you know, top three.

1188
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 1: But I'm off him. But let's talk about Marku's brown.

1189
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 1: Now he's shot up.

1190
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 3: You know, I'm seeing him whide receiver eighteen in ADP.

1191
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:33,840
Speaker 3: You know, that's that's aggressive. What do you think of

1192
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 3: Brown obviously does have that that prior chemistry with Kayler.

1193
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:41,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I think we receiver eighteen is very aggressive.

1194
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,319
Speaker 2: That's kind of where I'm ranking him week one with

1195
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 2: Hopkins out, so like, okay, that's that's probably his ceiling.

1196
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 2: But then once Hopkins comes back, he's probably going to

1197
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 2: be in that you know, wide receiver twenty five or

1198
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 2: thirty range. So I just think that people are kind

1199
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 2: of buying into his first handful of games and then

1200
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 2: they're gonna be stuck hold in the bag later in

1201
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 2: the season. So I don't get it. I'm Offome at

1202
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 2: that price, which is unfortunate because he does have upside.

1203
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 2: Last year he was like super consistent. He had thirteen

1204
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 2: games of four more catches in a very run heavy offense.

1205
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 2: So I do like, you know, him going to Arizona,

1206
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 2: but there's just too many mouths of feed there and then, yeah,

1207
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 2: especially once Hopkins comes back, it's gonna be hard for

1208
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 2: him to be that consistent. So the current ADP is

1209
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 2: way too aggressive for me. That's that's basically his first

1210
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:29,760
Speaker 2: handful of games.

1211
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 3: Honestly, and you know, we've kind of seen this, you

1212
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 3: know a lot of times, you know, receivers changing teams.

1213
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 3: It doesn't always, it doesn't always work out right away.

1214
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 3: It can, but it doesn't always. So you know, I

1215
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:43,399
Speaker 3: mean I think that chemistry helps. But yeah, adding the

1216
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 3: DeAndre Hopkins, even like as a you know, not full

1217
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 3: peak DeAndre Hopkins version of himself, he still projects as

1218
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 3: the number one player on the team in terms of

1219
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:58,839
Speaker 3: targets per route run. So that would significantly cut into

1220
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:01,759
Speaker 3: a guy like Brown who many were probably expecting him

1221
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 3: to be that number one guy.

1222
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 1: Otherwise. So yeah, and like it's you know, you know,

1223
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 1: what is the role going it?

1224
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 3: Because like he's never we think of him as like this,

1225
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:13,759
Speaker 3: he's a speed guy, but he's never averaged more than

1226
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 3: thirteen point three yards to catch. Last year it was

1227
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 3: down to eleven point one. You know, it's interesting, you know,

1228
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 3: what what will his role be? Where they were they

1229
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:23,439
Speaker 3: using more downfields here? I think they should, but who knows.

1230
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:26,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's good. Everybody remembers him from his first game

1231
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:29,840
Speaker 2: ever where he scored the Yeah, three eighty yard touchdowns.

1232
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 2: Everyone remembers that. But like you said, his his yards

1233
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:34,400
Speaker 2: per catch were definitely down last year, which was a

1234
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:36,840
Speaker 2: slight concern, but like I said, he made up for

1235
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:40,799
Speaker 2: it in volume, just consistently catching you know, four to

1236
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 2: seven balls, so that that helped sort of offset his

1237
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:46,280
Speaker 2: lack of downfield presence.

1238
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 3: It's crazy though, because it's like, yeah, you mentioned that

1239
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 3: game he went four for one forty seven two touchdowns

1240
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:52,279
Speaker 3: in his first game ever.

1241
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 1: That's an average of thirty seven yards per.

1242
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:56,280
Speaker 2: Catch, pretty good.

1243
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 1: That year, He's still only average twelve point seven yaster catching,

1244
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:01,439
Speaker 1: which like.

1245
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 3: So it's you know, I think I think he can

1246
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 3: be used downfield, but I mean he's not going to

1247
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 3: be press coverage, which something that even but Christian Kirk

1248
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 3: was beating press coverage, so it's like, you know, I

1249
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 3: don't know, I don't know, and Kirk wasn't like amazing

1250
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 3: at it, but I think he's probably better than Brown.

1251
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:22,320
Speaker 3: So you know, it's tough, but I do think eighteen

1252
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:23,240
Speaker 3: is a little aggressive.

1253
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:28,360
Speaker 2: You described DeAndre Hopkins is not full peak DeAndre Hopkins.

1254
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 2: I was wondering how you're going to describe the current

1255
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 2: version of a J.

1256
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:31,720
Speaker 1: Greens.

1257
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 3: AJ Green is like a whole ocean, and then you

1258
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:38,319
Speaker 3: have like a puddle, like a little drop, little like

1259
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 3: one rain drop. It's like, that's that's He's like you

1260
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 3: know when you when you're when you're playing like street

1261
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:46,479
Speaker 3: Fighter and your yeah, your health bar just goes all.

1262
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: The way down, like that's that's a.

1263
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's perfect. Yeah, that that's that's accurate.

1264
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:54,239
Speaker 3: I mean he's going to wide receive eighty three. So

1265
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 3: it's like no one's I think everyone's kind of on

1266
00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 3: the same page. As with age Anald, I don't think

1267
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 3: we have to talk to so much about him. I'm

1268
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 3: curious though, what you think of Rondelle More. He's the

1269
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:08,359
Speaker 3: one that, you know, another one that's kind of hard

1270
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 3: for me because I like the talent this is year two.

1271
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 1: I like the targets per route.

1272
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 3: Run, but I still would have disappointed that, like, you know,

1273
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 3: even when Hawkins was kind of hurt last year, I

1274
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 3: don't know, more just didn't really take off the way

1275
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 3: I thought he should. And like he just he didn't

1276
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 3: seem to really have like a defined role by the

1277
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 3: end of the year. It was just like sometimes he

1278
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 3: would go deep, sometimes he would go on her knees.

1279
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 3: It just it was no real continuity to his gig.

1280
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 3: He would have like one good game and three bad ones,

1281
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 3: Like is it you know, do you think he just

1282
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 3: takes that year to leap now, especially because he's gonna

1283
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 3: have a chance to be every down player maybe at

1284
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 3: least for six weeks.

1285
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, he could. I mean it's tough, right because he's

1286
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 2: he's one of the most exciting players in football once

1287
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 2: he gets the ball in his hand. I mean, he's

1288
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 2: really tough to tackle. But unfortunately, just I don't see

1289
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 2: a pass to playing time or enough playing time to

1290
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:58,800
Speaker 2: be fancy relevant weekend week out, especially when you know

1291
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 2: Hawkins returns targets per route run rate was twenty four percent,

1292
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 2: which is really good. Catch rate eighty four percent, but

1293
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 2: he's you know, his A dot was like what one

1294
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 2: point two, so he's gonna see you know, handful of

1295
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 2: targets a game. But it's just it's just really hard

1296
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 2: to translate that into consistent fancy value. There was only

1297
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 2: two games where he played like over seventy percent routes run,

1298
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 2: and he kind of flopped them both. So I don't

1299
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 2: even know if playing time would help necessarily. He's just

1300
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 2: he's tricky. I would say he's he's better for Kyler

1301
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 2: Murray than you know Runelle Moore is for himself as

1302
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 2: sort of a fantasy ass unfortunately. So yeah, he's gonna

1303
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 2: have to make a significant ear two leap. I don't

1304
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 2: see it happening, but he probably needs one or two

1305
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 2: guys to miss significant time to really be a wide

1306
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 2: receiver free but certainly you know, exciting guy to watch.

1307
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 2: It's just hard to really project him above this, you know,

1308
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 2: wide receiver fifty range. So here's the thing with.

1309
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:57,640
Speaker 3: More, he played over to over three quarters of a

1310
00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 3: snap from the slot. And now they drafted Trey McBride

1311
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 3: to tight end in the second round. Yeah, so they

1312
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 3: could be going and they've always kind of dabbled with

1313
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 3: a little more too tight end then I think we

1314
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 3: ever thought with Cliff we thought they were gonna be

1315
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 3: like four out four wides all the time, and they

1316
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 3: and they've done a lot more to tight end and

1317
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 3: that's why I think they got McBride. They got urged

1318
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 3: now And so I just worry, like you said, about

1319
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 3: playing time because last year he never really was that

1320
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 3: like eighty ninety percent routes run guy, even when guys

1321
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 3: were going down. It was Antoine Wesley that he was

1322
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 3: getting the snaps.

1323
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 1: You know, it was a J.

1324
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 3: Green continuously was like playing almost in every down role

1325
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 3: for much of the year. Now this year it's like

1326
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 3: those both of those guys are still on a roster, right,

1327
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 3: So it's like if Moore is only a slot guy

1328
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 3: and now you have two tight ends that may take

1329
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 3: some of those interior routes.

1330
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 1: And then you know, once Hopkins comes back, More is

1331
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 1: not even the top three guy.

1332
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 3: Probably he's probably you know, he might be the fourth

1333
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 3: receiver still, you know, depending on how they you know,

1334
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 3: what they're gonna do with Brown and AJ Green.

1335
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 1: You know Brown's gonna be and Hopkins are gonna be

1336
00:59:57,320 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 1: top two.

1337
00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 3: It's just as you know, are they gonna just use

1338
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 3: More in the slot is at number three and AJ

1339
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 3: Green's relegated to number four, or you know, are they

1340
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 3: going to use a J Gre on the outside and

1341
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 3: bump like Marky's.

1342
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 1: Brown inside or Hopkins? And you know, it's like there's

1343
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 1: a lot of question marks in fifty six. I still

1344
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:14,120
Speaker 1: think there are some better options.

1345
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, then, because I do like the year two leap,

1346
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 3: but just kind of if you just blindly bet on

1347
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 3: year two leaps of wide receivers, you generally are going

1348
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 3: to do pretty well, so I don't mind it. But

1349
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 3: I just think fifty six there's guys that I have

1350
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 3: more of a defiant role, like like even like a

1351
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 3: Tim Patrick, who you know we've talked about, like, yeah,

1352
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 3: probably going to play like eighty ninety percent if not

1353
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 3: more of the route of the snaps with a great

1354
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 3: quarterback and Russell Wilson.

1355
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think the there is a path I

1356
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:39,440
Speaker 2: think for more to have a year two leap. Where

1357
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 2: I'd be interested in is if Kingsbury kind of creates

1358
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 2: a debo kind of role where he's getting you know,

1359
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 2: five carries a game they lost Chase Edmonds, So there

1360
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:51,840
Speaker 2: is sort of that upside. We'll talk about the running

1361
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 2: back soon, but I just think if if he were

1362
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:55,920
Speaker 2: getting you know, four to six carries a game and

1363
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:58,600
Speaker 2: kind of using him in a debo Chase Edmond's role,

1364
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:01,080
Speaker 2: that's where the fancy you would come into play. But

1365
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:03,480
Speaker 2: that would rely on Cliff Kingsbury come out with that.

1366
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 3: I'm scared that that rondel Moore's I hope he doesn't,

1367
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:07,280
Speaker 3: but I'm scared he's.

1368
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:08,480
Speaker 1: Going He's going to be like a year or two

1369
01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:09,480
Speaker 1: La Viscash.

1370
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:10,920
Speaker 2: Don't say that.

1371
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:13,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean like where it's like it's like the

1372
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 3: kind of pencil him in as like a.

1373
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:17,360
Speaker 1: Starter, but he just is terrible.

1374
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 2: Well he's talented, right, just they haven't been able to

1375
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:23,240
Speaker 2: scheme it up for him. But yeah, that's the perfect

1376
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:26,280
Speaker 2: description if More flops again this year, because I love

1377
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 2: the talent. But yeah, it's about finding a role for him.

1378
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:31,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he's he can maybe can be like

1379
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:33,120
Speaker 3: a Jamal Agnew type.

1380
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:36,160
Speaker 2: Just a four to six catch a game beast.

1381
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:38,360
Speaker 1: Yes, especially you know, return some kicks.

1382
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, zach Ertz mentioned him tight end ten.

1383
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:42,880
Speaker 1: I love him.

1384
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:45,880
Speaker 3: You know, give me, give me some zach Ertz, because

1385
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 3: you know, when you're looking at these tight ends, like

1386
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 3: you mentioned Schultz, you mentioned uh, you know, they're they're

1387
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 3: like Dawson Knoxes in that range, like they're just there's

1388
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 3: a there's not a whole great bunch of a track

1389
01:01:56,680 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 3: record of track records outside of those week top five

1390
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:03,200
Speaker 3: tight end. So like Ertz actually has that elite track

1391
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 3: record where we've seen him perform at you know, a

1392
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:09,200
Speaker 3: stud tight end level. So I don't mind you know,

1393
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:12,080
Speaker 3: taking a you know, if I'm waiting on tight end,

1394
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:13,880
Speaker 3: which I don't like to do too much, But.

1395
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 1: I'm okay with Zach Ertzier.

1396
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:19,160
Speaker 3: He averaged seven and a half targets close to five

1397
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:22,920
Speaker 3: catches a game in games with the Cardinals, so I

1398
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:25,240
Speaker 3: think he's still going to be one of the more

1399
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:26,800
Speaker 3: productive tight ends in the league.

1400
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:29,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, you already mentioned it where the change of

1401
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:33,440
Speaker 2: scenery was definitely a huge boost to Hurts. He's not

1402
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 2: washed like some of us thought, and he was ranked

1403
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:41,720
Speaker 2: tight end four from Week seven through eighteen, So yeah,

1404
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 2: heading into the season tight end ten, like I haven't

1405
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 2: projected tight end eight, and he's going to have even

1406
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 2: more value entering the season like week one ranking season,

1407
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:52,520
Speaker 2: gonna be the top of that like frozen pond tier.

1408
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 2: We may come up with the name with it, but

1409
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:57,560
Speaker 2: he'll be the top option of that tier. I only

1410
01:02:57,560 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 2: worry about once Hopkins comes back, and maybe, you know,

1411
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:03,320
Speaker 2: McBride's a rookie tight end. He's obviously not going to

1412
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:05,480
Speaker 2: hit the ground running, but maybe later in the season,

1413
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:08,160
Speaker 2: like you said, they might run more two tight end sets,

1414
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:11,360
Speaker 2: McBride might hit, so that would be the only concern,

1415
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:14,200
Speaker 2: But certainly to begin the season, you know, ertz is

1416
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 2: probably worth it for the tight end ten range ADP

1417
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 2: and they signed him for what three three years, so

1418
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:24,720
Speaker 2: he's there, so they believe in him. They're going to

1419
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:27,960
Speaker 2: keep using him like they did last year. So yeah,

1420
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:30,360
Speaker 2: he's he's pretty consistent for a tight end that range,

1421
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:33,000
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm all for taking him in this spot.

1422
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:37,840
Speaker 1: All right. James Connor RB fifteen. I actually like Connor.

1423
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:41,160
Speaker 1: The only concern really is just the health.

1424
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:44,560
Speaker 3: I mean, as far as the opportunities that he's going

1425
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:47,640
Speaker 3: we know, opportunities king for running backs. He's going to

1426
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 3: get all he could handle, and the in the games

1427
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:54,080
Speaker 3: without Chase Edmonds last year, who's obviously in Miami now,

1428
01:03:54,640 --> 01:04:01,200
Speaker 3: Connor averaged sixteen point six rushing attempts and five catches,

1429
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:05,280
Speaker 3: so twenty one point six touches per game, about just

1430
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:09,560
Speaker 3: over ninety five scrimmage yards per game, and he averaged.

1431
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:12,120
Speaker 1: One point four touchdowns per game.

1432
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 3: So like kind of feels like Leonard Fournette a little bit,

1433
01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:18,520
Speaker 3: you know, my good offense guy who came on, you know,

1434
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:20,440
Speaker 3: when he was called upon as the lead back the

1435
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:23,160
Speaker 3: year before and now has like is going to get

1436
01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:25,040
Speaker 3: an even bigger chance to be that guy this year.

1437
01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:26,840
Speaker 1: So I do worry about him breaking down.

1438
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:29,240
Speaker 3: But I mean, realistically, you have to worry about that

1439
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:32,480
Speaker 3: with every running back exactly. I would take Connor above

1440
01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:34,480
Speaker 3: RB fifteen if I needed to.

1441
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I haven't thought of it that way, but I

1442
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:40,680
Speaker 2: love the Leo Fournette comp And you know, we were

1443
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:43,240
Speaker 2: saying heading in the last year, like James Connor seems

1444
01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:46,160
Speaker 2: like a steal at current ADP, and I thought, you know,

1445
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:48,960
Speaker 2: he was kind of washed, but he looked really good

1446
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:53,400
Speaker 2: last year, and when Edmunds went down, he ranked RB

1447
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:56,560
Speaker 2: two overall, only behind Jonathan Taylor. I believe during that

1448
01:04:56,640 --> 01:05:01,160
Speaker 2: five game stretch weeks nine through fourteen, it was so yeah.

1449
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:03,280
Speaker 2: So with Edmund's gone, you know, he could be more

1450
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 2: involved in the past game sort of like you know

1451
01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:07,760
Speaker 2: four net where he's just the main back. You know

1452
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:09,800
Speaker 2: that the backups are going to be a little bit

1453
01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:11,960
Speaker 2: better this year. I do like the rookie conant to

1454
01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:14,080
Speaker 2: Ingram and they just brought in Darrel Williams. But at

1455
01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 2: the end of the day, I still think Connor's going

1456
01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:19,120
Speaker 2: to be the workhorse back and he's not going to

1457
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:22,560
Speaker 2: match his fifteen rushing touchdowns last year, but he still

1458
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:24,160
Speaker 2: is going to be the main goal line back. So

1459
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:27,480
Speaker 2: I'm projecting him for nine. So quite a bitter regression there,

1460
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:29,720
Speaker 2: but still he in this range. You could do a

1461
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:32,280
Speaker 2: lot worse, and his job security is safe. Some of

1462
01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:35,200
Speaker 2: these other backs they might not have that. So yeah,

1463
01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:38,480
Speaker 2: other than injury concern, which you said every running back

1464
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:41,360
Speaker 2: has that, I think he's he's pretty good in this range.

1465
01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:42,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1466
01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:43,600
Speaker 3: I mean he was right in line with his career

1467
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:46,560
Speaker 3: in yards after contact last year. He had his best

1468
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:50,040
Speaker 3: graded PFF season of his career last year. So yeah,

1469
01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:52,160
Speaker 3: he looked great, like Jess, you know, objective, we speed,

1470
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:52,920
Speaker 3: h lots of it.

1471
01:05:53,240 --> 01:05:55,320
Speaker 1: I mean he was like scary good.

1472
01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:57,520
Speaker 3: Anytime chess the ball, you felt like he was just

1473
01:05:57,520 --> 01:06:00,880
Speaker 3: gonna like stiff arm somebody and just break a tackle.

1474
01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:04,520
Speaker 3: Yeah all right, yeah, I don't Yeah, like you said,

1475
01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:06,520
Speaker 3: I don't think the like it's hard right now, you

1476
01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:07,360
Speaker 3: know Keanty Ingrim.

1477
01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:09,120
Speaker 1: They just sound our boy Daryl Williams too.

1478
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 2: Yeah that's what I said, Like that's yeah, so that

1479
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:15,800
Speaker 2: that kills the Yeah, it's hype train, but it's a

1480
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:17,440
Speaker 2: lot better than it was in yars past. You know,

1481
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:21,600
Speaker 2: like Eno Benjamin Jonathan Ward, they're no competition for even

1482
01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:24,600
Speaker 2: like Conte Ingram. But I mean, are you interested in

1483
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:26,680
Speaker 2: either Williams or Ingram right now or kind of just

1484
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:28,240
Speaker 2: wait to see how that plays out.

1485
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:30,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm interested in the sense that, like when I

1486
01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:32,640
Speaker 3: draft the guy like Connor, if I can get like

1487
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:34,160
Speaker 3: a handcuff for free.

1488
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:35,320
Speaker 1: And like the last round of the draft.

1489
01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:37,120
Speaker 3: I like those kind of backs, like when you can

1490
01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:39,080
Speaker 3: get the stud running back and the handcuff, but we

1491
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:40,600
Speaker 3: just have to figure out who the handcuff is. Then

1492
01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:43,040
Speaker 3: if there's no handcuff that emerges, which is very possible,

1493
01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:46,160
Speaker 3: then you know, we just you can't touch either of them.

1494
01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:48,520
Speaker 3: But if like let's say Ingram just has a great

1495
01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:50,760
Speaker 3: camp and they actually just cut Williams again or something

1496
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:53,560
Speaker 3: like that, oh yeah, I'd be very interested, just because

1497
01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:54,640
Speaker 3: it's you know, it's free.

1498
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:55,800
Speaker 1: It's just like Edmonds.

1499
01:06:55,840 --> 01:06:58,200
Speaker 3: You know, we were drafting him basically for free, and

1500
01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:01,040
Speaker 3: he he turned out to be valuable different points, you know,

1501
01:07:01,080 --> 01:07:03,360
Speaker 3: so same same kind of approach.

1502
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:06,280
Speaker 1: But let's go to finish up with Seattle. We could

1503
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:07,240
Speaker 1: go a little quicker here.

1504
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:11,200
Speaker 2: Uh, pretty simple. So interestingly enough.

1505
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:13,040
Speaker 3: What I'm hearing out of camp is that Gino Smith

1506
01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:15,800
Speaker 3: has a leg up on Drew Lock. Oh boy, no,

1507
01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:18,560
Speaker 3: I mean he's taken the first reps. I granted it's

1508
01:07:18,600 --> 01:07:21,480
Speaker 3: you know, still voluntary many camps, but you know, the

1509
01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:24,240
Speaker 3: beat writers that I've read anyways seem to think that

1510
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:28,720
Speaker 3: he has the advantage because he has the you know,

1511
01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:31,240
Speaker 3: knowledge of the scheme and he's just less. I mean,

1512
01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:32,840
Speaker 3: this sounds crazy to say, but he's with a west

1513
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:36,640
Speaker 3: turnover prone then Drew Lot, which is you know, one

1514
01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:38,320
Speaker 3: of the they didn't like Russell Wilson, who would kind of,

1515
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:39,920
Speaker 3: you know, hold on to the ball and wait for

1516
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:42,280
Speaker 3: the deep shot. And Locke plays a little like that too,

1517
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:45,720
Speaker 3: So you know, I don't I don't know, but you know,

1518
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:47,920
Speaker 3: any thoughts on this quarterback battle, and I guess how

1519
01:07:48,120 --> 01:07:50,120
Speaker 3: how it affects DK and Tyro Hockett.

1520
01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:53,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's it's bad that, you know, they still

1521
01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:58,240
Speaker 2: might sign Baker Mayfield or Jimmy g But yeah, assuming

1522
01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:01,960
Speaker 2: it's Locke or Geno's Smith, it's rough. Maybe we should

1523
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:05,919
Speaker 2: be rooting for Gino Smith because Lockett had one really

1524
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:09,480
Speaker 2: big game with him, and Metcalf still performed pretty well

1525
01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:11,880
Speaker 2: with Smith thunder center for three games les year, so

1526
01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:14,240
Speaker 2: at least there is some chemistry there. But at the

1527
01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:16,479
Speaker 2: end of the day, it's a massive drop off going

1528
01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:20,160
Speaker 2: from Russell Wilson to either Drew Locke or Gino Smith.

1529
01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:23,840
Speaker 2: So I'm basically off most Seahawks. There might be some

1530
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:27,720
Speaker 2: value in some of these position groups, but just if

1531
01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:30,280
Speaker 2: it's Locke and Smith hanging the year, I'm pretty much

1532
01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:31,639
Speaker 2: all off this team.

1533
01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:34,000
Speaker 1: So here's the thing, and this is interesting to me.

1534
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:38,679
Speaker 3: Dk Metcalf's going is the wide receiver nineteen and underdog

1535
01:08:39,280 --> 01:08:43,280
Speaker 3: Lockett is going to forty two now. Last season and

1536
01:08:43,400 --> 01:08:46,320
Speaker 3: half PPR points per game. Dk Metcalf was number was

1537
01:08:46,320 --> 01:08:49,320
Speaker 3: wide receiver twenty four, and that was with fourteen games

1538
01:08:49,360 --> 01:08:52,000
Speaker 3: of Russ. Now, I know Russ wasn't like Russ for

1539
01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 3: all fourteen games, but like he still had fourteen games

1540
01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:57,559
Speaker 3: with Russ, and he was going he finished lower than

1541
01:08:57,560 --> 01:09:01,160
Speaker 3: he's getting drafted right now, where his quarterback might be

1542
01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:03,000
Speaker 3: Drew Locke Orginal Smith.

1543
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:03,759
Speaker 1: And then Lockett.

1544
01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:06,880
Speaker 3: He was wide receiver eighteen, so he was six spots

1545
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:10,840
Speaker 3: ahead of Metcalf, yet he's going twenty three spots behind him.

1546
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:12,880
Speaker 3: So it's like, if I'm looking at this as much

1547
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:14,800
Speaker 3: as I like Metcalf, and I know Lockett had the

1548
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:18,559
Speaker 3: chemistry with Wilson and that, you know, but like to me,

1549
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:21,719
Speaker 3: there's too much of a chasm here. They're both talented guys,

1550
01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:24,360
Speaker 3: and Metcalf is like he was the guy that was

1551
01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:26,720
Speaker 3: harder to like get the ball to, and you know,

1552
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:28,960
Speaker 3: like just like he would go through those stretches where

1553
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:30,839
Speaker 3: he just like would have games where he just wouldn't

1554
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:33,080
Speaker 3: catch the ball and he would get upset, and like,

1555
01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:35,320
Speaker 3: I don't know, I think there's like more of a

1556
01:09:35,320 --> 01:09:37,679
Speaker 3: bus potential for Metcalf to Lockett just give an ADP.

1557
01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:41,080
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I agree, one hundred percent. I'm actually I'm

1558
01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:45,400
Speaker 2: projecting Metcalf around wide receiver twenty five right now, so

1559
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:48,400
Speaker 2: I'm definitely off him. Obviously, he's one of the top

1560
01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:51,840
Speaker 2: ten wide receivers in terms of just raw talent, but

1561
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:55,400
Speaker 2: we have to factor in this downgrade with Russ Wilson leaving.

1562
01:09:55,439 --> 01:09:58,120
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think ADP Tyler Walkeett is the fire take.

1563
01:09:58,160 --> 01:09:59,720
Speaker 2: We don't really know how this is gonna shake out,

1564
01:09:59,720 --> 01:10:03,080
Speaker 2: but he's certainly talented enough to be he'd be like

1565
01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:05,680
Speaker 2: your wide receiver four at his current ADP, so I

1566
01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:07,760
Speaker 2: can get behind that. It is worth pointing out in

1567
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:11,320
Speaker 2: the three game stretch for Gino Smith's quarterback, Metcalf was

1568
01:10:11,360 --> 01:10:14,280
Speaker 2: the wide receiver eight, mainly due to the three touchdown

1569
01:10:14,360 --> 01:10:18,559
Speaker 2: catches and Tyler Lockett's wide receiver twenty seven. Again small

1570
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:19,400
Speaker 2: sample size, but.

1571
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:20,439
Speaker 1: Better than forty two.

1572
01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:24,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly. He had one massive game. But that's

1573
01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:26,559
Speaker 2: kind of Tyler Lockett for you, right, But yeah, I

1574
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:29,799
Speaker 2: think given the ADPs, I think if you were forcing

1575
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:32,360
Speaker 2: you to take a Seahawks a receiver, it'ld absolutely be

1576
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:33,080
Speaker 2: Tyler Lockett.

1577
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:37,120
Speaker 3: Any interests, I mean, no offense coming over from Denver,

1578
01:10:37,160 --> 01:10:40,439
Speaker 3: He's been kind of at that fringe startable tight end,

1579
01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:42,760
Speaker 3: but really, you know, just because he's finishing at tight

1580
01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:44,920
Speaker 3: end twelve doesn't mean you were starting him every week,

1581
01:10:45,479 --> 01:10:48,479
Speaker 3: probably starting him half the time if not that. So

1582
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:52,799
Speaker 3: now he's going at tight end twenty one. Any interest

1583
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:54,720
Speaker 3: here outside of two tight end leagues there.

1584
01:10:55,160 --> 01:10:57,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, he would be a bet on talent. I think

1585
01:10:57,840 --> 01:11:00,960
Speaker 2: I'm tight end eighteen. It's going to be harder to

1586
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:04,879
Speaker 2: trust anybody really outside of you know, Metcalf and Lockett.

1587
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:07,840
Speaker 2: And what should be a low pass volume offense. I mean,

1588
01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:10,599
Speaker 2: if it's's either Geno Smith or Drew lock we can't

1589
01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:12,760
Speaker 2: really project this offense for more than you know two

1590
01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:15,920
Speaker 2: twenty two thirty yards, so he's gonna be pretty inconsistent.

1591
01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:18,080
Speaker 2: But again, in this tight end range, that's kind of

1592
01:11:18,120 --> 01:11:21,639
Speaker 2: what you're getting anyway. And he might benefit if Drew

1593
01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:24,519
Speaker 2: lockwins the week one starter job because they do have

1594
01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:27,519
Speaker 2: chemistry together, so he would be sort of a bat

1595
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:29,719
Speaker 2: on talent in that range. But I certainly can't project

1596
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:32,080
Speaker 2: them to be, you know, a fringe tight end one

1597
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:35,720
Speaker 2: in this offense. So tight end twenty one is a

1598
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:36,280
Speaker 2: bye for me.

1599
01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:40,000
Speaker 3: What's your what's your kind of outlook on the running

1600
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:43,519
Speaker 3: back situation? You got Ken Walker the third Uh, he's

1601
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:45,599
Speaker 3: going ahead of a shot of Penny Now in most

1602
01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:48,519
Speaker 3: drafts kind of in the RB thirty range. Pennies in

1603
01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:51,160
Speaker 3: the mid thirties as well. You know, from what I'm hearing,

1604
01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:54,920
Speaker 3: they drafted Walker because they were concerned about Carson. Now,

1605
01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:58,320
Speaker 3: I don't know what that means the in terms of Penny.

1606
01:11:58,320 --> 01:12:00,000
Speaker 3: I mean, I know he has a hamstring issue already,

1607
01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:01,400
Speaker 3: but they did kind of talk him up for the

1608
01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:03,600
Speaker 3: first time ever. They know he's gonna start, So I

1609
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:05,639
Speaker 3: don't know what's your view on just how the carries

1610
01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:08,599
Speaker 3: are going to split out assuming Carson. You know, there's

1611
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:10,760
Speaker 3: like no there's been no update on him, he's got

1612
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:13,559
Speaker 3: the neck injury. I get the sense that because you

1613
01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:15,120
Speaker 3: don't draft a running back in a second round. I

1614
01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:16,680
Speaker 3: mean maybe you do because you're Seattle, or you took

1615
01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:19,320
Speaker 3: Penny in the first round, but like you don't. They

1616
01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:21,360
Speaker 3: love Chris Carson, so I don't think they'd waste a

1617
01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:23,439
Speaker 3: second round pick. Not waste, but I don't think they'd

1618
01:12:23,479 --> 01:12:26,160
Speaker 3: use a second round pick on Walker if they thought

1619
01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:28,559
Speaker 3: Carson had like a good shot of a plane much

1620
01:12:28,600 --> 01:12:29,000
Speaker 3: this year.

1621
01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:31,360
Speaker 1: So is that how you're kind of looking at it?

1622
01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:33,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I when it comes to Walker, I love

1623
01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:37,200
Speaker 2: the talent, and I love Rashad Penny's talent as well.

1624
01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:38,880
Speaker 2: I mean he was a league winner then last year.

1625
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:42,000
Speaker 2: But I just hate the situation for both backs, especially

1626
01:12:42,040 --> 01:12:45,719
Speaker 2: if Chris Carson is healthy come Week one, but assuming

1627
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:48,519
Speaker 2: he's out that this should be sort of a fifty

1628
01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:51,759
Speaker 2: to fifty split between Walker and Penny. But the reason

1629
01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:54,960
Speaker 2: why I don't like Walker at his ADP is just

1630
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:57,280
Speaker 2: based on the offense heading this season. It's you know

1631
01:12:57,320 --> 01:12:59,800
Speaker 2: they're gonna be, you know, a five to six win

1632
01:13:00,479 --> 01:13:03,360
Speaker 2: if they're lucky, and you know they're gonna be trailing

1633
01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:06,120
Speaker 2: a lot, and what is Kenneth Walker not good at

1634
01:13:06,280 --> 01:13:08,920
Speaker 2: being a pass catching back. He's not a really good

1635
01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:11,559
Speaker 2: block blocking back. He's gonna struggle to get you know,

1636
01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:14,360
Speaker 2: third down work, so and you know he's not going

1637
01:13:14,439 --> 01:13:16,680
Speaker 2: to get you know, easy goal line touchdowns because the

1638
01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:18,479
Speaker 2: offense is providing it. So he's gonna have to do

1639
01:13:18,479 --> 01:13:21,040
Speaker 2: a lot of it himself with his running ability, and

1640
01:13:21,080 --> 01:13:24,360
Speaker 2: I that just doesn't translate into you know, an RB

1641
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:27,960
Speaker 2: two for me, especially in a murky situation. So neither

1642
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:31,160
Speaker 2: Walker or Penny are gonna be cable receiving backs in

1643
01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:33,639
Speaker 2: offense that kind of needs that. So I am worried

1644
01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:36,559
Speaker 2: that like guys like Travis Homer, DJ Dallas, those kind

1645
01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:38,799
Speaker 2: of guys might be factory and more than we think.

1646
01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:41,599
Speaker 2: I'm kind of off both Walker and Penny just based

1647
01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:44,360
Speaker 2: on the projected game scripts Sale's gonna have this year.

1648
01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:48,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, the issue with Walker you mentioned is like just

1649
01:13:48,280 --> 01:13:51,519
Speaker 3: the whole pass protection, and you know that's going to

1650
01:13:51,560 --> 01:13:53,479
Speaker 3: probably keep them up with the Penny actually got a

1651
01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:56,439
Speaker 3: lot better in pass protection last year, and he played

1652
01:13:56,439 --> 01:13:58,639
Speaker 3: a career high one hundred and twenty pass blocking snaps

1653
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:01,800
Speaker 3: and had a pretty great in terms of PFF at least,

1654
01:14:02,360 --> 01:14:03,559
Speaker 3: So I think maybe.

1655
01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:04,640
Speaker 1: There'll be a little more comfortable with him.

1656
01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:06,920
Speaker 3: But the problem with Penny is like he's still not

1657
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:10,439
Speaker 3: a pass catching back, Like he caught six balls last year,

1658
01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:13,519
Speaker 3: like all that that, you know, all that down the stretch,

1659
01:14:13,960 --> 01:14:16,040
Speaker 3: that all that blowing up was all on the ground,

1660
01:14:16,160 --> 01:14:18,880
Speaker 3: Like it was all on the ground. And in the

1661
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:20,680
Speaker 3: last four games of the year he had two games

1662
01:14:20,720 --> 01:14:23,760
Speaker 3: where he didn't even get a target. So yeah, it's

1663
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:26,439
Speaker 3: it's more of like a standard weak thing with these guys.

1664
01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:28,559
Speaker 3: It's like they both could be over valed in the

1665
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:31,959
Speaker 3: fact that there's so much uncertainty and that they'll probably

1666
01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:34,160
Speaker 3: be splitting carries either way. I mean, I'd still think

1667
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:36,240
Speaker 3: I'd rather go Penny, just because he's going lower at

1668
01:14:36,240 --> 01:14:38,600
Speaker 3: this point, But like I don't like the fact that

1669
01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:39,240
Speaker 3: he's already.

1670
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:40,960
Speaker 1: Got a hamstring issuear? I mean, jesus no good.

1671
01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:43,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, at least he has time to recover. But

1672
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:47,360
Speaker 2: this this does remind me a bit of the Jaguars

1673
01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:50,960
Speaker 2: situation last year with atn and James Robinson, where yeah,

1674
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:53,680
Speaker 2: if one of them goes down, you'll all be in on,

1675
01:14:54,120 --> 01:14:57,200
Speaker 2: you know, the surviving one. But like right now, it's

1676
01:14:57,240 --> 01:14:59,960
Speaker 2: just hard to take either back when they're both healthy

1677
01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:02,880
Speaker 2: in the top thirty. And this is just considering that

1678
01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:05,559
Speaker 2: Carson's gonna miss time. He could be ready by week one,

1679
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:08,040
Speaker 2: and then I'm completely off both these guys.

1680
01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:09,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then this kind of speaks to what we

1681
01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:13,200
Speaker 3: were talking about where it's like there's like pretty much

1682
01:15:13,240 --> 01:15:14,920
Speaker 3: a few spots in the draft where you want to

1683
01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:17,200
Speaker 3: draft running back, and like outside of that, it's just

1684
01:15:17,240 --> 01:15:20,120
Speaker 3: like mine It's just like minefields everywhere, cause it's like

1685
01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:23,000
Speaker 3: you're not getting two in those first two maybe early

1686
01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:25,840
Speaker 3: third round. It's like then you're having to either go

1687
01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:27,960
Speaker 3: frozen pond, and then even if you kind of wait

1688
01:15:27,960 --> 01:15:30,439
Speaker 3: and avoid the frozen pond, now you're still it's like, ah,

1689
01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:32,439
Speaker 3: do I take a keath Walker or Shot Penny. It's

1690
01:15:32,439 --> 01:15:34,120
Speaker 3: like there's only like one or two guys I like

1691
01:15:34,160 --> 01:15:36,040
Speaker 3: in each of those tiers, Like I love like James Cook,

1692
01:15:36,080 --> 01:15:38,320
Speaker 3: and even him, you know, admitted we doesn't have like

1693
01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:40,439
Speaker 3: we don't know exactly what's going to happen with him,

1694
01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:45,120
Speaker 3: So it's like, yeah, like I think the best case

1695
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:47,679
Speaker 3: scenario is like you could get two stud running backs

1696
01:15:47,960 --> 01:15:50,120
Speaker 3: and they just have to stay healthy. If they don't,

1697
01:15:50,160 --> 01:15:53,200
Speaker 3: I mean, you're probably win your league anyway. You know,

1698
01:15:53,240 --> 01:15:55,880
Speaker 3: it's really tough to just kind of recom like have

1699
01:15:55,960 --> 01:15:58,759
Speaker 3: confidence in drafting running backs in a lot of these tiers,

1700
01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:03,799
Speaker 3: you know, further down in a draft. So I agree,

1701
01:16:03,800 --> 01:16:05,479
Speaker 3: But yeah, Penny, I guess would be the guy for

1702
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:06,840
Speaker 3: me if if I had to take one.

1703
01:16:07,479 --> 01:16:09,040
Speaker 1: What do you think in terms of sleepers in the bus?

1704
01:16:09,040 --> 01:16:12,400
Speaker 3: I mean, I hate to call metcalf like a potential bus,

1705
01:16:12,479 --> 01:16:14,280
Speaker 3: but I think he is going a little too h

1706
01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:16,479
Speaker 3: Lockett's kind of the opposite. He's just I think he's

1707
01:16:16,479 --> 01:16:17,320
Speaker 3: going a little too low.

1708
01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:20,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say my sleeper is definitely Tyler Lockett

1709
01:16:20,840 --> 01:16:23,720
Speaker 2: just given his current ADP, and my bus would unfortunately

1710
01:16:23,800 --> 01:16:27,479
Speaker 2: have to be Kenneth Walker and Rashad Penny just kind

1711
01:16:27,479 --> 01:16:31,519
Speaker 2: of both backs sort of cannibalize each other going into

1712
01:16:31,560 --> 01:16:34,680
Speaker 2: this season. Just can't project this offense for you know,

1713
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Speaker 2: many touchdowns, and neither back you can really project for

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Speaker 2: much receiving work. So I just don't see a path

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Speaker 2: to hitting their ADP unless one of them goes down.

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Speaker 3: All right, That is going to do it for our

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Speaker 3: fantasy flex NFC West addition, I will keep it going

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Speaker 3: for the next six weeks with the remaining six divisions,

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Speaker 3: me on Twitter at Chris raybond r A y b

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Speaker 1: Get this Moneys