Speaker 1: Man, what's hand him?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 3: You got Marshaw Besmall Lynch, Doug Hendrickson.
Speaker 4: And Gavin Knewsome and you're listening to politics.
Speaker 2: You're known to be, you're known to.
Speaker 5: Be well, got I gotta be honest with you.
Speaker 6: I'm really kind of sick and tired of people talking
Speaker 6: negative about some places in California. I just did the
Speaker 6: drive from my office in La down to beautiful San
Speaker 6: Luis Obispo to see my daughter uh and the great
Speaker 6: cal Poly volleyball team. And let me tell you something,
Speaker 6: it is God's country. And then I drove from there
Speaker 6: all the way back home today.
Speaker 7: Are you just trying to get Father of the Year?
Speaker 7: Is that what you're trying to really communicate?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 5: Truth be told.
Speaker 6: You're you're not allowed to have your car as a
Speaker 6: freshman on campus, and so because of that, I was
Speaker 6: told to go pick up her car, and so I
Speaker 6: made the little quick tray chip down there, took it
Speaker 6: a nice little dinner, had coffee this morning, and then
Speaker 6: got on my way, but spent about five hours enjoying
Speaker 6: the beautiful coastline of California.
Speaker 4: It is it's spectator.
Speaker 7: There's no easy way to get down to cal Poly
Speaker 7: though from the Bay Area, so that was again you
Speaker 7: get extra brownie points.
Speaker 4: For being that of the year.
Speaker 6: Shout out to United There's three flights a day, so
Speaker 6: there's that as an alternative. By the way, what is
Speaker 6: it they don't let freshmen can't have cars now on
Speaker 6: CSU campuses or is that just a cal Poly issue.
Speaker 5: I don't know if it's a CSU. I know it's
Speaker 5: cal Poly.
Speaker 6: So if you're a freshman, you cannot have a car
Speaker 6: on campus, which is not the worst thing in the
Speaker 6: world for a father to not have your daughter have
Speaker 6: a car.
Speaker 5: So I'm not that bummed up out it out.
Speaker 7: And you're just saying cal Poly like people use the
Speaker 7: word Harvard and Princeton, because you're proud of the fact
Speaker 7: your daughter got into cal Poly San Luis Obispo, by
Speaker 7: the way, which has a lot of people that were
Speaker 7: also accepted into Stanford rejecting Stanford go to cal Poly.
Speaker 7: San Luis Obispo one of our best state schools, one
Speaker 7: of the best state schools in the country.
Speaker 5: No, it's great.
Speaker 6: And by the way, Gavin, on a brighter note too,
Speaker 6: since our co hosts be joined us today, they did
Speaker 6: come out today with the first time the list of
Speaker 6: the Hall of Fame entries, and of course our partner
Speaker 6: in crime, beach Mode, is on the initial list. Now
Speaker 6: they whittle that down to twenty five semi finalists in
Speaker 6: about a couple of months, and then to fifteen and
Speaker 6: then they announce the final five. I believe it's super Bowl.
Speaker 6: So the next six seven months it's gonna be pretty interesting.
Speaker 5: Here we go here with him.
Speaker 7: Well, so on a, is this like these Hall of
Speaker 7: Fame things for sports? Is it like you know the
Speaker 7: Oscars and Saga? I mean where everybody's like you're hustling
Speaker 7: and your lobbying and your marketing, you're promoting or is
Speaker 7: this thing that's already sort of figured out? Or is
Speaker 7: are you're able to influence folks?
Speaker 5: No, nothing to promote.
Speaker 6: They figured out the writer's vote and so there's nothing
Speaker 6: to promote. There's nothing to It's not like an Oscar
Speaker 6: and Emmy. So it just comes down to how many
Speaker 6: people that let in. But he should. He should be
Speaker 6: one of the guys and it would be a fun.
Speaker 5: Ride for us.
Speaker 4: How many people are on this first list?
Speaker 5: There's like fifteen new guys that would make sense. There's
Speaker 5: eighty five guys, there's fifteen people that make sense.
Speaker 4: And how long you stay on the list is it
Speaker 4: roll over if you don't get it?
Speaker 5: Ten years?
Speaker 7: Ten years and then you're kicked out because you're kicked out.
Speaker 7: Just so this first year of eligibility, he's on there.
Speaker 5: Big deal, Big deal.
Speaker 4: What are the running backs? Any new ones on the fifteen?
Speaker 6: Well, the last two running backs to get in were
Speaker 6: Ega and James and I think Fred Taylor in.
Speaker 5: Twenty and twenty one.
Speaker 6: There hasn't been a back in four years that have
Speaker 6: gotten in, so he would be, you know, one of
Speaker 6: the first.
Speaker 4: Who are the other ones on the list that have
Speaker 4: been rolled over?
Speaker 6: His former former Seattle great Shawan Alexander, Remember Sean Alexander?
Speaker 4: Yep, Well done, Marshall, Gavin.
Speaker 5: How's your week on what's going on in your life?
Speaker 4: Is we bill signing?
Speaker 7: Bill signing nine hundred and ninety one bills, nine hundred
Speaker 7: and ninety one bottle and nine hundred and ninety one
Speaker 7: bills one of the Yeah, I think there were twelve
Speaker 7: hundred bills we got. This legislative session started the week
Speaker 7: with nine hundred ninety one left to go, tons of
Speaker 7: AI bills, tons of social media bills across the spectrum,
Speaker 7: you name it, there must be nine or ninety one
Speaker 7: problems to solve. So I got to review all of these.
Speaker 7: They'll probably, you know, be dozens and dozens, maybe hundreds
Speaker 7: of vetos. We're gotting through the vetos right now. But
Speaker 7: that's the week that's consuming me.
Speaker 6: Well, got Well, I got a question, if I, as
Speaker 6: a person wanted to create a bill, how does someone
Speaker 6: create a bill for someone to get it signed.
Speaker 4: Well, you saw that, you saw that. You know exactly
Speaker 4: how the schoolhouse rock.
Speaker 7: It's just a bill on Capitol Hill, exhausted trying to
Speaker 7: walk up the steps.
Speaker 4: You remember that growing up, right?
Speaker 5: I missed that week in school? So can you edify me?
Speaker 4: You don't even know how it works now.
Speaker 7: The only thing missing with a bill on Capitol Hill
Speaker 7: schoolhouse rock or the lobbyists that was the only thing
Speaker 7: they didn't tell you about back in the day. Now,
Speaker 7: bills come in many different shapes and forms, but fundamentally
Speaker 7: they flow through either by the author meaning the legislatword themselves.
Speaker 7: So if you're assembly person why or your senator Z,
Speaker 7: you introduce it because you solve a problem you want
Speaker 7: to fix it, or you read a constituent's node, or
Speaker 7: you had someone call complaining. You said, you know what,
Speaker 7: Madam Smith, I'm going to fix this for you. I'm
Speaker 7: going to introduce a bill in the next legislative session.
Speaker 7: Or they come often through groups and organizations that try
Speaker 7: to find an author and they basically go out and
Speaker 7: shop an idea and say here's something we want you
Speaker 7: to fix, or here's a loophole we want you to close.
Speaker 7: And that's where you start getting the lobbyists. That's where
Speaker 7: you get all the special interest and that's where people
Speaker 7: oftentimes are sort of protecting their own interests and locking
Speaker 7: out other people's interests.
Speaker 4: And that's what I always have to keep my eye on.
Speaker 7: Is this about incumbency protection or is this about what's
Speaker 7: in the best interest in California and our innovation. So
Speaker 7: it's a to which you look positively, but also oftentimes
Speaker 7: with little cynicism as well.
Speaker 6: Well. Is there any bills, Gavin, Like a mother who
Speaker 6: has an issue with something or whatever and decides to
Speaker 6: write a bill. It doesn't have a lobbyist, doesn't have votes,
Speaker 6: and just presents the bill to you.
Speaker 7: Not only that, we've got some heartwarming ones this year
Speaker 7: there's an intern, this young girl that interned for one
Speaker 7: legislator and literally came up with an idea through her
Speaker 7: internship and got her boss introduce it and got it
Speaker 7: through both House of the Legislature. It's on my desk,
Speaker 7: and she keeps sending me these amazing videos. And then
Speaker 7: her parents reached out saying I'm proud they were of
Speaker 7: their daughter, which of course got me teared up. But
Speaker 7: I love that, like an intern coming up with an idea,
Speaker 7: and it's like one of those I don't know, that's
Speaker 7: what it should be about. You know, real people doing
Speaker 7: real things to solve real problems. And now she's just
Speaker 7: hoping I don't screw it all up and send it
Speaker 7: back unsigned, which is another way of saying.
Speaker 4: Veto, I love it.
Speaker 5: Okay, good, but it's me and it's you know.
Speaker 7: Look, remember California is the size of twenty one state
Speaker 7: populations combined, so there are all kinds of issues from
Speaker 7: every GM.
Speaker 6: How many in comparison, how many bills in my dad's
Speaker 6: great state of North Dakota, or they think on the desk,
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 7: But I mean, yeah, these legislators are all across the
Speaker 7: country active, They don't meet every year a lot of states,
Speaker 7: and they don't have sessions that last as long as ours.
Speaker 7: I mean, i'll give you example. In Texas, they have
Speaker 7: a session every two years. In California, we're just basically
Speaker 7: full time every year. So we're active and we're busy.
Speaker 7: But the other big thing that's animating us right now
Speaker 7: is not just nine on our bills.
Speaker 4: But I'm in the middle of.
Speaker 7: A special session, which means I extended the legislative calendar
Speaker 7: with one issue, and that's issue deal with the issue
Speaker 7: of price gouging and oil companies and what's going on
Speaker 7: with gas prices here in California that impact gas prices
Speaker 7: across the Western United States, particularly in Nevada and places
Speaker 7: like Arizona. And so it's a big deal, high stakes
Speaker 7: and uh, and we're going to battle with our friends
Speaker 7: at big Oil good And I just I was. I
Speaker 7: was in a hotel last night.
Speaker 6: I was watching some Oprah's out there stumping for Kama
Speaker 6: right now, did.
Speaker 5: Some big special with a bunch of a list people.
Speaker 4: Correct. Yeah, we're flooding the zone. I mean, this is
Speaker 4: this is it.
Speaker 7: I mean, this is the sprint We're going to get
Speaker 7: early voting now nationally across the country. Uh So we
Speaker 7: always say about we talk about elections in November, that
Speaker 7: the election ends in November election Day in many states
Speaker 7: as well as a month before.
Speaker 4: Uh election ends.
Speaker 7: That first week of November, so early voting, absentee ballots.
Speaker 7: And I'll have opportunity to make your case now.
Speaker 6: Now, outside of Taylor Swift, is Oprah probably the second
Speaker 6: most powerful and of course Obama and Clinton in them, I.
Speaker 7: Was always Oprah was the dominant. She's still in many respects.
Speaker 7: Is Taylor Swift maybe right up there with her. But yeah,
Speaker 7: those are the two biggest gets in polat and uh
Speaker 7: that's why Trump was still taken aback by it and
Speaker 7: got so bent out of shape not getting Taylor Swift.
Speaker 7: But Oprah is still a force, next level force in
Speaker 7: American politics. And as she said at the town hall
Speaker 7: with Harris yesterday, she's she's an independent. I mean, she's
Speaker 7: she's not. And I know I've got to know her
Speaker 7: pretty well, Sarr. Last week in fact, in New York
Speaker 7: we were both on a CBS morning show. She's fabulous,
Speaker 7: she's tough, and she's incredibly bright and studied on all
Speaker 7: things politics, and she doesn't just dial it in if
Speaker 7: you're a Democrat. She tends to vote Democratic, but that's
Speaker 7: on their social issues and uh, and so she's all
Speaker 7: in for Kama Harris.
Speaker 4: And that was a big deal yesterday. They raised a.
Speaker 7: Ton of money, but more poor than they got, a
Speaker 7: lot of new eyeballs meeting, a lot of people tuned
Speaker 7: in and a lot of people that have been tuned
Speaker 7: out of politics tend to tune in to politics when
Speaker 7: Taylor Swift talks about it and when people like Oprah
Speaker 7: Winfrey can understate, uh, the importance of those those those
Speaker 7: influencers that celebrity support. But it's a little more than
Speaker 7: just celebrity support with Oprah because she's earned a different
Speaker 7: relationship of trust with the public over decades.
Speaker 4: And so it was a big day.
Speaker 6: Well in the reality, Gavin is like we talked about,
Speaker 6: people just need to go out and vote, and that's
Speaker 6: the thing that's going to change things at the local level,
Speaker 6: the state level, in the national level.
Speaker 5: And just go vote.
Speaker 6: If you want to vote for Trump, vote for him,
Speaker 6: you want to vote for comm to vote for it,
Speaker 6: But go vote.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and do a voice and do the research.
Speaker 7: Don't just be I mean as important as celebrity endorsements are, right,
Speaker 7: I think it's more important. I mean, at least that
Speaker 7: wakes you up to All right, there's a campaign in it,
Speaker 7: and there's a candidate, but it's critical that people look
Speaker 7: at the issues and see if they match where the candidates.
Speaker 4: Are and issues that you care about.
Speaker 7: I mean, we're going to be talking to Bill nine
Speaker 7: a moment, the science guy, and it's all about science
Speaker 7: and sciences, discovering critical thinking.
Speaker 4: It's not about being an idy log.
Speaker 7: It's about being open argument, interested in evidence, and it's
Speaker 7: about dealing with issues of our time like climate.
Speaker 5: And Bill and Bill is in the room right now,
Speaker 5: let's bring Bill on.
Speaker 7: We could talk about importance of voting we don't even
Speaker 7: have to be political about it, and the importance of
Speaker 7: science and whether or not science is on the ballot
Speaker 7: this year as well.
Speaker 6: What I want to do, Gavin and uh and for
Speaker 6: our partner Morshawn here is to welcome literally an icon
Speaker 6: in his field in the world, a graduate of the
Speaker 6: great Cornell University, Gavin something you and I could not
Speaker 6: get into.
Speaker 5: No, who has written dozens of books.
Speaker 6: I wish I had them when I was a kid
Speaker 6: because all my kids grew up on it with Bill nine.
Speaker 6: In terms of his education, he's a former mechanical engineer
Speaker 6: for hosting the unbelievable TV show of Better Understanding and
Speaker 6: Appreciation for the ruld around us, a legendary science educator,
Speaker 6: the great, the Great Bill Nye.
Speaker 5: Welcome to Politic and Bill.
Speaker 2: It's so good to be here. And let me just say,
Speaker 2: Marshawn Lynch is out here right somewhere.
Speaker 7: Yeah, he's he's he's literally finishing up filming. He's gonna
Speaker 7: jump on as soon as he possibly can.
Speaker 4: But I know you're a Seattle kid exactly.
Speaker 2: Man, I'm a Seahawks fan. This. I saw him play.
Speaker 2: I was in the stadium a half dozen times. I
Speaker 2: saw him play on the TV countless times countless.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he'll be joining us, and Bill.
Speaker 6: He was so excited to know you're coming on and
Speaker 6: uh and going back to We'll break We'll save that.
Speaker 6: But I know that seismic run he had in the
Speaker 6: Beast quake is something you probably looked at and studied
Speaker 6: as well.
Speaker 2: Correct, because I'm looking for his moves, you know, I
Speaker 2: mean the way I'm built. You know, I think he's
Speaker 2: really a model for me.
Speaker 5: There you go.
Speaker 2: Guys, with my physique, I just do I could do
Speaker 2: what he did.
Speaker 7: I think, Bill, Yeah, I've always I've looked at you
Speaker 7: and I've always saw you know, you and him or
Speaker 7: him and you.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's yeah, I know. Yeah. So we're going
Speaker 2: to talk about science and governing and these wonderful things, all.
Speaker 4: These wonderful things.
Speaker 7: And you know, Doug and I were talking before you
Speaker 7: got on a little bit about you know, what's what's
Speaker 7: going on, not from a partisan perspective or lens in
Speaker 7: our body politic with elections coming up, not just presidential
Speaker 7: elections but elections in every state, local school board races,
Speaker 7: et cetera. But we seriously were talking about critical thinking.
Speaker 7: We were talking about being open argument, interested in evidence,
Speaker 7: not being ideological. And what a great segue to your
Speaker 7: career and the work you've done looking at data, looking
Speaker 7: at facts, looking through the lens of science, and maybe
Speaker 7: we can just take it from there on some of
Speaker 7: the issues that define our times now, least of which
Speaker 7: the most important issue for me that we battle every day,
Speaker 7: and that's climate change in California.
Speaker 2: Climate change in California. And let me say congratulations, Governor.
Speaker 2: I believe I have this number right, one hundred consecutive
Speaker 2: days with some fraction of the grid running on renewable power.
Speaker 7: It's I mean, it's remarkable that you even know that
Speaker 7: we got to one hundred and six days in this
Speaker 7: calendar year. This is unprecedented, running the fifth largest economy
Speaker 7: in the world on a carbon free engine for at least,
Speaker 7: as you say, some part of the day proving bill
Speaker 7: not just asserting proving, we can get this done.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. And you know, my thing is the US Constitution.
Speaker 2: And I met many people, as I like to say,
Speaker 2: you can get it in paperback now, many people. As
Speaker 2: a CEO of the nonprofit, I have gone to Congressional
Speaker 2: offices many times, Senate offices many times. I've met senators,
Speaker 2: members of Congress who know the Constitution, took an oath
Speaker 2: to it, and so on, and they're generally familiar with
Speaker 2: Article one, where we're going to have a Senate and
Speaker 2: a House of Presentatives the way they do in Britain
Speaker 2: with their household lords and their Commons. But I've met
Speaker 2: a lot of people who don't know Section eight, Clause eight.
Speaker 2: Clause eight Congress shall promote the progress of science and
Speaker 2: useful arts. Useful word science is in the Constitution, peoples,
Speaker 2: and useful arts. To me, Governor Doug is using science
Speaker 2: to make things engineering. What would we do in seventeen
Speaker 2: eighty six, We build a bridge, We'd make a plow,
Speaker 2: some harness for a horse. We might have the elements
Speaker 2: of a steam engine. We'd be doing that, and that
Speaker 2: would be the useful arts of science. So the founding fathers,
Speaker 2: whatever else one might say about them, realize the value
Speaker 2: of science for the health and well being of citizenry
Speaker 2: and for our international competitiveness, even in seventeen eighty six.
Speaker 4: And Bill, it's interesting and I love that you bring
Speaker 4: that up.
Speaker 7: I mean, the idea that science is in the Constitution
Speaker 7: is something that vast majority of us are unfamiliar with.
Speaker 4: I mean, what were you? I did? Was this intuitive?
Speaker 7: Did you grow up and then you were reading at
Speaker 7: sixth grade that the Constitution and sol the word science
Speaker 7: are even you, mister science guy?
Speaker 4: Did you come to this later in life?
Speaker 2: Oh no, it was pointed out to me a long
Speaker 2: time ago. But the guy who really drove it on
Speaker 2: for me is John Morris. You know Laurie Leshan?
Speaker 4: Yeah, why do I know that name?
Speaker 2: She's head of the Jet proportion lamp.
Speaker 4: That's it.
Speaker 2: The first woman to head the famous JPL in Pasadena, California,
Speaker 2: where they make spacecraft that land on Mars, and her
Speaker 2: husband is a big fan of that. John Morris is
Speaker 2: a big fan. He's a heliophysicist, senior of Stars and
Speaker 2: he is a big of that passage. He pointed it
Speaker 2: out to me twenty five years ago and it stuck
Speaker 2: with me ever since.
Speaker 4: I love it. It should stick with all of us.
Speaker 7: And just you know, before Doug jumps in, Bill, I mean,
Speaker 7: you talk about that passage twenty five years ago, the
Speaker 7: passage of time?
Speaker 1: Did you.
Speaker 7: I know, your parents obviously outsized influence, as they are
Speaker 7: on all of our lives. But where this passion for science?
Speaker 7: Did that come at an early age? Nature nurture?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, yeah, I mean, I say all the time.
Speaker 2: I've told this story many times. But let's say I
Speaker 2: was four years old and we were playing cards, and
Speaker 2: I'm going to claim we were playing Crazy eights, and
Speaker 2: so maybe I was six years old, but I got
Speaker 2: stung by a bee sitting on the front porch of
Speaker 2: the house in Washington, BC. I got stung by a bee,
Speaker 2: which was traumatic, and then my mother resourcefully put a
Speaker 2: ammonia on it. Now, this is back in the day.
Speaker 2: Everybody ammonia. If you don't know what it is, it's
Speaker 2: what you smell when you smell wind decks and so
Speaker 2: hardcore window cleaners such as my mom would buy. You
Speaker 2: still can't buy a bottle of ammonia and dilute it
Speaker 2: and clean windows, clean glass. But the thing is the
Speaker 2: bottle has skull and crossbones on it. As my mother's
Speaker 2: trying to kill me. And I was a rambunctious young boy.
Speaker 2: I can understand where she'd want to do. That be interesting,
Speaker 2: but yeah, yeah, she talked about it my whole life. Anyway,
Speaker 2: it was fascinating. It denatured the venom somehow. And then
Speaker 2: in Ripley's Believe it or Not in the Washington Post
Speaker 2: newspaper it said one week. Actually they published a version
Speaker 2: of it many times really over the years. According to
Speaker 2: aerynamic theory, bees cannot fly. And I remember, wait, wait,
Speaker 2: the bees, the bees are flying. There's something wrong with
Speaker 2: this theory of yours. And it really did give me
Speaker 2: a lot of pause for thought. And then bees are fascinating.
Speaker 2: I had a fascination with helicopters. I love bicycles. So
Speaker 2: I became a mechanical engineer. And uh, Doug, I think
Speaker 2: you read from a very very nice intro. But I'm
Speaker 2: not a formal formal mechanical engineer. I have a licensee.
Speaker 5: You are mechanical engineer.
Speaker 6: Well, yes, Well what's interesting, Bill is Gavin I around
Speaker 6: the same age, and so it's in Gavin's probably the
Speaker 6: same way yours high school as well. In high school,
Speaker 6: science wasn't cool. It was like you skip science class,
Speaker 6: you skip wood shops, and no one cared about.
Speaker 4: Some mass inside. I'll add math to that, Doug. And
Speaker 4: at least I skipped them. Yeah.
Speaker 5: And then and then.
Speaker 6: Bill, you come along, you leave boeing, you do your
Speaker 6: own science show. And now you're the hippest, coolest thing
Speaker 6: in the world, where all these kids now want to
Speaker 6: go to science class, they want to learn, they watch
Speaker 6: your stuff.
Speaker 5: We didn't have that back in our day at all.
Speaker 5: And I'm kind of upset about it.
Speaker 6: But the cool thing, Bill is that you've not taught
Speaker 6: these kids that science is cool.
Speaker 5: So have you seen that evolution as well?
Speaker 6: Like going back to thirty years ago today for these
Speaker 6: young kids, which I think are the most important kids
Speaker 6: to teach and learn from that. Now they look at
Speaker 6: science like this is something you've always looked at like
Speaker 6: being cool versus you know, we didn't have cool science teachers.
Speaker 6: We didn't know learn about it when I was in
Speaker 6: high school.
Speaker 2: So well, I said all the time, you guys, I'm serious.
Speaker 2: I try to get it. I try to understand the
Speaker 2: influence of the Science Guy show. But it was huge.
Speaker 2: People come up to me every day say the reason
Speaker 2: I'm a physician, the reason I'm I'm McCann. And I
Speaker 2: met some people in the lobby of a big building
Speaker 2: in New York over the weekend who said, hey, I'm
Speaker 2: an industrial engineer because I watched your show, and I'm
Speaker 2: an environmental scientist because I watched her show. It's really amazing.
Speaker 2: But you guys, what happened to me was I had
Speaker 2: parents who were really into science. They weren't full time scientists,
Speaker 2: but they appreciated it. And we had a show called
Speaker 2: Mister Wizard, and Mister Wizard was his name's Don Herbert.
Speaker 2: I met him, I had lunch with him, I went
Speaker 2: to his memorial service. He was a very influential guy
Speaker 2: on television. But since that show, rather when we did
Speaker 2: my show, and I say, we the producers and the
Speaker 2: crew and I made the show. We had the benefit
Speaker 2: of research. So are you of an age where you
Speaker 2: remember Beakman's World? Oh yeah, yeah. So Beakman's World did
Speaker 2: a very reasonable thing, which was, look at this cool thing,
Speaker 2: look at this cool thing. Here's another cool thing, look
Speaker 2: at this and it jumped from topic to topic. And
Speaker 2: if you're interested in science, you enjoy it, but you
Speaker 2: don't get what educators call that, they have a technical
Speaker 2: expression for it. You don't get lift. You don't really
Speaker 2: increase your knowledge unless you come to it with an
Speaker 2: interest in it. So we had the benefit of this
Speaker 2: research back in the twentieth century, back in the nineteen hundreds,
Speaker 2: and we made every show about one thing, and everybody
Speaker 2: talks about the arc. So each show, each half hour,
Speaker 2: is about one thing. So it's dinosaurs, dinosaurs, dinosaurs, it's structure, structure, structures, erosion, erosion, erosion,
Speaker 2: and you get more lifts. And this week, you know,
Speaker 2: we had, how to say, very compelling research sponsored by
Speaker 2: the National Science Foundation and the National Educational organization National
Speaker 2: Science Teach studied it and it's very as compelling. So
Speaker 2: thank you. We put our hearts and souls in it.
Speaker 2: We arrived in the universe at a time when the
Speaker 2: Children's Television Act had been created and so station television
Speaker 2: stations were required to have two three hours of educational
Speaker 2: programming every week.
Speaker 7: To destroyed TV and entertainment.
Speaker 2: Networks had to print money. And then all of a sudden.
Speaker 5: But so, Billy, it's interesting.
Speaker 6: You know, I'm a big believer, so is the governor
Speaker 6: here that you know, life is short and we got
Speaker 6: to live it. So you pivot from probably making great
Speaker 6: money at Boeing to say, I want to start my
Speaker 6: own science TV show.
Speaker 2: I had a Volkswagen bug I did.
Speaker 4: Hey, those were hot back in the day.
Speaker 2: So seriously, guys, when you got out of engineering school
Speaker 2: you could in those days, you could get a job.
Speaker 2: It was not you know, there was demand. I mean
Speaker 2: it was like, as I say, it was a vocational
Speaker 2: school where you learn to do homework problems. I got
Speaker 2: paid to do homework frogs. I love math, Governor, I
Speaker 2: love science. Anyway, I was also I was a new
Speaker 2: guy in Seattle. I got a job in Seattle. I
Speaker 2: was really interested in mountain climbing, and I got a
Speaker 2: job in an area where you can drive to glaciers
Speaker 2: in the Seattle area in those days, so I climbed
Speaker 2: a bunch of local peaks and this and that, and
Speaker 2: I was new in town, so I was a United
Speaker 2: Way big brother, you know what I mean. And I
Speaker 2: volunteered at the Pacific Science Center, which is still there,
Speaker 2: a venerable institution built in nineteen sixty two for the
Speaker 2: Seattle World's Fair. And I'd wear a vest and I
Speaker 2: would pour liquid nitrogen around in the Senate. And after
Speaker 2: winning in seat only in Seattle, I won the Steve
Speaker 2: Martin lookalike contest. I started doing or trying to do
Speaker 2: stand up comedy, and I met these guys and it's
Speaker 2: rosschef for John Keister, and they asked me to submit
Speaker 2: jokes to this comedy show. So I did, and then
Speaker 2: eventually I quit my day job October third, nineteen eighty six, roughly,
Speaker 2: and tried to pursue this comedy full time. But what
Speaker 2: was gnawing at me was the kids. The kids today,
Speaker 2: it's we have to get young people excited about science,
Speaker 2: that's the deal. And so we had also in those days,
Speaker 2: we had research that ten years old is about as
Speaker 2: old as you can be to get what they call
Speaker 2: the lifelong passion for science, and I think it's as
Speaker 2: old as you can be to be the life want
Speaker 2: to get the lifelong passion or anything? My governor, when
Speaker 2: did you want to run stuff when you were a
Speaker 2: little kid? Right? You wanted to be a leader? Uh?
Speaker 2: And then Doug, when did you want to tell stories?
Speaker 2: Probably from the giddest of get goes? And so we
Speaker 2: had made the Science Sky Show deliberately at people in
Speaker 2: fourth grade, ten years old and younger, because that's what
Speaker 2: the research indicated would be the most effective age at
Speaker 2: which to aim. So we had benefit of research, we
Speaker 2: had these these things came together, and I went for
Speaker 2: the car, as we say on the game show, Well
Speaker 2: you went.
Speaker 6: You went for the car, and you not only got
Speaker 6: the limo, you also got the yacht. So I appreciate
Speaker 6: what you've done, Bill, because has been very impressive.
Speaker 5: That's incredible career.
Speaker 2: And by the way, everybody, I'm in two unions, all right,
Speaker 2: and we want to make sure I'm screen actors and
Speaker 2: I'm writers and writers that's right. Yeah, So you guys,
Speaker 2: we want to make sure we keep production in California.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 4: That's that's we couldn't agree more with that.
Speaker 7: By the way, we also want to keep writers writing
Speaker 7: and actors acting. What about the science of artificial intelligence?
Speaker 7: How are where are you on the AI spectrum?
Speaker 2: Well, I've messed around with it, so everybody. What we
Speaker 2: want is to have you mentioned this earlier. We want
Speaker 2: everybody to have what nowadays is called critical thinking skill.
Speaker 2: When I was in school, it might have been called
Speaker 2: logic or logical reasoning or something like that. But you
Speaker 2: want people to be able to evaluate evidence too. I
Speaker 2: have met in the twenty first century in the United States,
Speaker 2: I have met people who asked me, or ask somebody
Speaker 2: to ask me if I thought the world might be flatted.
Speaker 4: And that I mean, but it was a sincere question.
Speaker 2: It wasn't just too people who were graduated from high
Speaker 2: school in the United States asking me.
Speaker 6: And I just remember Kyrie Irvy lasted that in playoffs
Speaker 6: a couple of years ago.
Speaker 2: Oh I know, yeah, and he started he was. He
Speaker 2: knocked it on or made it bigger than it might
Speaker 2: have been before that, but he was. He didn't come
Speaker 2: to it as you, attorney say, dey novo. I mean,
Speaker 2: he had heard it from somebody else and really got
Speaker 2: the question.
Speaker 4: So you're here to break the news to tell us
Speaker 4: if its round.
Speaker 2: You know, there's a great T shirt you can get
Speaker 2: with the NASA logo, the meatball logo and the Earth
Speaker 2: is on it. It's round. We checked, We checked good.
Speaker 4: But Billy, you gotta be worried.
Speaker 7: I mean, every sing you, I don't want to get
Speaker 7: in sort of the darkness that was the pandemic, et cetera.
Speaker 4: But it does feel like we it set us back.
Speaker 7: I mean, is that you're feeling around science and facts, conspiracies, and.
Speaker 2: So, you know, I met many people who and family
Speaker 2: members who didn't get vaccinated at first because of this
Speaker 2: pseudoscientific notion that vaccinations cause autism that has been debunked
Speaker 2: six ways to Sunday at the old saying goes. And
Speaker 2: so there's really troubling because one of the reasons our
Speaker 2: quality of life is so high here in the United States, Europe, Japan,
Speaker 2: South Korea what have you is because of vaccinations, because
Speaker 2: of public health. I I'm so old. How old are you?
Speaker 2: I went to elementary school with a guy who in polio.
Speaker 2: You do not want polio, people, No, no polio. I
Speaker 2: grew up in Washington, d C. In the summertime, in
Speaker 2: English units, it's ninety nine degrees fahrenheit and ninety nine
Speaker 2: percent humidity. You're a little kid, all you want, but
Speaker 2: this is every I'm not your can you guys? This
Speaker 2: is before air conditioning was everywhere. We did not have
Speaker 2: air conditioning. And you wanted to go swimming. That's what
Speaker 2: you wanted to do, is jumping community pool. And we
Speaker 2: weren't allowed to go because polio is somehow a water
Speaker 2: born virus. So then when I was five, polio virus
Speaker 2: was developed and distributed. We went to the big middle
Speaker 2: school in those days, it was called the Junior High
Speaker 2: school and took a sugar pill, a sugar cube with
Speaker 2: red liquid in it, and I don't get polio. And
Speaker 2: so this thing with COVID and the vaccines and people
Speaker 2: not getting vaccinated and having it mutated and infecting more
Speaker 2: and more people and everybody freaking out, and people didn't
Speaker 2: if you're a parent, you did not want your kid
Speaker 2: in school. But those other sick kid hypothetically other sick kids,
Speaker 2: and just la la la. And so if we had,
Speaker 2: I say, we humankind had jumped on the idea that
Speaker 2: vaccines work and everybody got vaccinated, we would have had
Speaker 2: kids back in school in six months instead of two years. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's just crazy making.
Speaker 4: So how do I mean?
Speaker 7: I mean, you know, having experienced this, and I mean
Speaker 7: I imagine with all of your work, I mean, it
Speaker 7: feels like a big setback. I mean, what, what's what's
Speaker 7: the diagnosis going forward? How do we start to get
Speaker 7: people back on track recognizing all the progress humankind has made? Uh?
Speaker 7: And how science and research and folks and your profession
Speaker 7: and disciplines are the guiding light in terms of that progress.
Speaker 2: Well we we What is it about your favorite teacher
Speaker 2: that you liked? It doesn't matter what subject, it was
Speaker 2: his or her passion. Yeah, And so what you want, governor,
Speaker 2: what we want is for people who come out of
Speaker 2: let's say, four year liberal arts college, who have a
Speaker 2: general knowledge of the world and have developed through four
Speaker 2: years of getting socratic interrogation from professors and teachers, that
Speaker 2: they have critical thinking skill. We want them a fraction
Speaker 2: of them to choose going into the teaching profession. And
Speaker 2: for that, they need to be able to make a living.
Speaker 2: They need to be able to choose between going to
Speaker 2: work at middle school or going to work at Google
Speaker 2: in some level. And I maybe exaggerating a little, but
Speaker 2: we want it where teachers make a good living so
Speaker 2: we can attract passionate good teachers to the profession. And
Speaker 2: what has happened here in the United States, and what
Speaker 2: in my idea is, we have tied property taxes to
Speaker 2: schools and teacher sellers. And this is just yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: the at risk kids get more riskier, and the really
Speaker 2: nice neighborhoods get nice teacher good teachers and good facilities.
Speaker 2: And this, I know is a soluble problem redistributing wealth.
Speaker 2: But it's a challenge, man.
Speaker 7: No, And we're I mean, you're you're in the epicenter
Speaker 7: of that, the history that we made Proposition thirteen in
Speaker 7: the state of California, which in so many ways the
Speaker 7: original sin in that space, and the tax revolt movement
Speaker 7: back in the seventies. But it's you know, built the
Speaker 7: issue of I mean it is, I've got to imagine
Speaker 7: it's got to be somewhat demoralizing to you just to
Speaker 7: see all that progress run into this sort of new reality.
Speaker 7: And there's almost a I mean, you know, people are
Speaker 7: celebrated for not believing in science. People seem to be venerated.
Speaker 7: Careers are made money is made.
Speaker 2: Well, we fight the fight, Governor, I mean, we fight
Speaker 2: the fight. Look, you can't. You've got to be optimistic.
Speaker 2: If you're not optimistic, you're not going to get anything done.
Speaker 2: And I'll stayed categorically to everybody. As speaking of government employees,
Speaker 2: you mentioned Bill Clinton. Does anybody remember Barack Obama?
Speaker 8: He was a federal employee for anyway, he pointed out
Speaker 8: a cool thing, he said, I if you're as we
Speaker 8: say in law school, you can't argue with my hypothetical.
Speaker 2: If you could, through some science fiction way, give a
Speaker 2: person a choice to be born when in human history
Speaker 2: or where on Earth you'd want to be born. Now,
Speaker 2: if you can't pick where you'd be born on earth,
Speaker 2: this is the most exciting time for more people than
Speaker 2: ever in human history. More people are better off than
Speaker 2: ever in history because of science and technology, because we
Speaker 2: now feed over eight billion people on less land that
Speaker 2: used to feed fewer than two billion. It's because of
Speaker 2: our agricultural technology and our infrastructure we're able to distribute
Speaker 2: food and refrigerate food and make sure food is safe
Speaker 2: to eat. Then that is and more. As troubling as
Speaker 2: the housing situation is, there are more people with a
Speaker 2: place to live than ever. So you, guys, we can
Speaker 2: do this. We can do this. You've got to be
Speaker 2: optimistic or you're not going to win the game. But
Speaker 2: you do have to work. And everybody people say to
Speaker 2: me Bill nine Science Guide, what can I do about
Speaker 2: climate change? And what do I say? Two things talk
Speaker 2: about it. If we're talking about climate change, we're talking
Speaker 2: about a bunch of other stuff we'd be getting or done.
Speaker 2: And then the other thing is vote, got to vote.
Speaker 5: Well, speaking of the climate change bill, it's interesting.
Speaker 6: You know, my son and I we watched The Animal
Speaker 6: Planet and those things like three times a week. But
Speaker 6: the great thing now is that in those shows, twenty
Speaker 6: minutes of the hour is talking about how the glaciers
Speaker 6: are going away, the land's going away.
Speaker 5: So now my son and daughters are looking at this.
Speaker 5: Back in our day, you just watched lions kill zebras.
Speaker 5: Now you're seeing the.
Speaker 6: Effects of if the if the glaciers fall off, the
Speaker 6: polar bears have noe, they got to go longer to get.
Speaker 5: Food, blah blah. So these kids are learning more and more,
Speaker 5: which is a really cool thing. And guess we have here,
Speaker 5: We have mister Basco Wake, We get a.
Speaker 7: Climate change, speaking a climate change.
Speaker 4: Marshawn meet Bill Nye. Former Seattle residents.
Speaker 2: You know, Marshaw and I lived in Seattle. I watched
Speaker 2: you play a lot. I was on the field in October.
Speaker 2: I raised a twelve man twelve man flag.
Speaker 1: How you get to praise the flag before?
Speaker 2: I don't know. Is it clerical or I guess? And
Speaker 2: in the front of the office anyway, it's great to see you.
Speaker 3: And then must be John Snyder over there doing that
Speaker 3: because raise the twelfth man flag.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, if you went back, they might you know,
Speaker 2: it takes a lot of strength. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I might not be able to know it. I was
Speaker 1: just there not too long ago.
Speaker 2: It was cool. It was it was quite an honor.
Speaker 2: It was cool. Uh, se Hawks, Pete, the Browns.
Speaker 4: Marshawn. We were talking about polar bears right when you
Speaker 4: got on.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's me. I'm a polar bear. Yeah.
Speaker 7: Doug's just worried about he's worried about climate change, and
Speaker 7: he's worried about sort of the you know the realities
Speaker 7: of ice sheets melting, polar bears being displaced.
Speaker 6: No, but the cool, the cool thing, and Marshawn you
Speaker 6: can get the story. But I was telling, uh, Bill,
Speaker 6: I was telling Marshawn you were coming on, and I
Speaker 6: think Marshawn has been trying to talk to you for
Speaker 6: a long time and get with you for a long time.
Speaker 5: So more Shawn, you can tell him that story.
Speaker 6: But Marshawn kind of grew up more in the science
Speaker 6: ear than me and Gavin did.
Speaker 5: Thankfully.
Speaker 6: I think to you, Bill, that was more Shawn's heyday
Speaker 6: back in those days.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. Man, it's a pleasure to meet you big.
Speaker 2: It's cool. It's cool or electronic. Hey, let me ask
Speaker 2: you a technical thing. How many plays do you guys memorize?
Speaker 2: Is it forty two dozen?
Speaker 1: It's a lot more than that.
Speaker 3: And it depended because I played with so many different
Speaker 3: teams and it's different type of offenses. So you got
Speaker 3: to learn, I mean, depending on your offensive coordinator and
Speaker 3: what kind of offense you'd like to run.
Speaker 1: It could be upward of somewhere in the hundreds, one
Speaker 1: hundred down.
Speaker 2: All right, it's complicated. I watch you guys. It's complicated. Bill.
Speaker 7: It's interesting you've tried to sort of deconstruct it's interesting.
Speaker 7: I'm just watching your career as well back to sort
Speaker 7: of science and sports. That's been an area of interest
Speaker 7: for you. You, I mean talked about the baseball and
Speaker 7: you've I think, do you have a patent?
Speaker 2: And that's yeah, I have. Yeah, you guys, So, I
Speaker 2: don't know if you know do you know this expression
Speaker 2: hitting a fungo? Fungo practice?
Speaker 4: Absolutely, I remember the old fungo.
Speaker 2: Well, you still throw the ball up and hit it. Well,
Speaker 2: I have a thing that goes on the end of
Speaker 2: the bat. You poke it under the ball and you
Speaker 2: can pick it up like those tennis ball pick up things.
Speaker 2: And so I I thought it would take over the world,
Speaker 2: but it hadn't. You know. A way to have a
Speaker 2: good idea is to have a lot of ideas. That
Speaker 2: was the so's it's something that a company, this company
Speaker 2: no errors baseball and now I was manufacturing. We'll see
Speaker 2: if I can finally retire over the two dozen of
Speaker 2: those I'm going to sell.
Speaker 4: Did you grow up You've been a big sports fan
Speaker 4: for most of your life.
Speaker 2: Well, I grew up with the Washington Senators, and when
Speaker 2: I was a real little kid, before I really remember,
Speaker 2: they were traded became the Minnesota Twins. Then when I
Speaker 2: was in high school they became the Texas Rangers, which
Speaker 2: was heartbreaking. But all through that, marsh On, I was
Speaker 2: an R word fan because that's what we had here
Speaker 2: in DC. And then when I got a job at
Speaker 2: Boeing in nineteen seventy seven, I was an instant Seahawks
Speaker 2: fan man back in the zoo.
Speaker 1: So you really you really are like a scientist scientist.
Speaker 2: Well, I worked at Boeing, Yeah, and I tell people
Speaker 2: I worked on seven forty sevens. If you're ever on
Speaker 2: a seven forty seven, don't worry. I was very well
Speaker 2: supervised what I tell people. And I got to tell
Speaker 2: you everybody, Uh, Marshawn Governor. Culture has changed, man, whatever
Speaker 2: is going on there was.
Speaker 4: What is going on? A bing the places was going on.
Speaker 2: When I was there. So speaking of being in unions,
Speaker 2: you know they got they have a strike there right now.
Speaker 1: Part of it.
Speaker 2: Part of it is I think that workers are just
Speaker 2: concerned about the decisions management is making. You guys, I
Speaker 2: don't want to. I know we're talking about California, we're
Speaker 2: talking about renewable energy, we're talking about science. But they
Speaker 2: got a different company making the fuselage, you know, the tube,
Speaker 2: Like what if you make airplanes. What else do you
Speaker 2: make besides the tube? And so it was a different
Speaker 2: culture for sure. And I know there's wages. I'm sure
Speaker 2: there won't. Everybody always wants more money, but there was
Speaker 2: an expression when I lived in Seattle. I lived there
Speaker 2: for twenty six years, and I was there, you guys,
Speaker 2: I was there weekend Marshawn, did you watch Almost Live?
Speaker 3: I said, well, then we I think we probably just
Speaker 3: missed each other because I was there for for the
Speaker 3: home opener when they played.
Speaker 2: Against Oh yeah, well yeah, but I was. I went
Speaker 2: to the Museum of History and Industry where we had
Speaker 2: the fortieth anniversary of the comedy show I started out on.
Speaker 2: You know Joel McHale. He came from this show. He's
Speaker 2: an old Seattle guy, Joel McHale.
Speaker 5: Oh, Joel's great. Hey, So Bill, Bill.
Speaker 6: During when the beast quake run hit, it was interesting
Speaker 6: because that created a whole, you know, craze with that
Speaker 6: seismic activity and whatnot. So I'm sure you've been asked
Speaker 6: about that, and you obviously were you out that game.
Speaker 2: Bill, No, but the stadium is made to be earthquake worthy.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: They showed me these little.
Speaker 3: These little uh, these machines that they put I think,
Speaker 3: like outside of the stadium to I guess to record
Speaker 3: the seismic activity. Oh yeah, go back to uh what
Speaker 3: is it, Pete Pacific Northwest.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: What's the place that they got over at at.
Speaker 2: The seismic uh, Seismic Lab University.
Speaker 3: I went to visit that place and they showed me,
Speaker 3: like the the diagram of all of the Yeah, they
Speaker 3: showed me the diagram of where they put all of
Speaker 3: those earthquake detectors inside of the stadium.
Speaker 2: So were you there? You know, when they were building
Speaker 2: the stadium, there was an earthquake and these I guess
Speaker 2: it was five guys were working way up high the
Speaker 2: high iron or whatever, and they fell off. They got
Speaker 2: knocked off by the motion of the of the platform
Speaker 2: and they were all wearing safety armises, so they were okay.
Speaker 2: They were hanging there above you know.
Speaker 1: The way you do hanging right there. I'm like, oh shit.
Speaker 2: So they were hey, can you guys get me? But
Speaker 2: safety first people.
Speaker 7: By the way, Bill, speaking of seismic safety, we've had
Speaker 7: a flurry of earthquakes in California in the last couple
Speaker 7: of months, particularly in southern California. Nothing dramatic four point six.
Speaker 6: No.
Speaker 2: I you know, I have a house in Studio City
Speaker 2: and we were in the headquarters in Pasting and we
Speaker 2: got we just got outside.
Speaker 4: You got outside. Were you the beneficiary of the early
Speaker 4: warning system?
Speaker 6: Ye?
Speaker 4: What's the science? You have one of those?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: What do you think of that? Is that technology? Real?
Speaker 4: Is that going to get better?
Speaker 2: Everybody? You know this thing on your phone, if it's
Speaker 2: a start up with the iPhone, you do this or
Speaker 2: this and the image changes. Right, Yeah, there's a in
Speaker 2: here is what's called an accelerometer. And I'm introducing the
Speaker 2: word before the idea, but it measures down. You know,
Speaker 2: if you drop something rates towards the center of the earth,
Speaker 2: it falls. So these tiny, tiny silicon little flaps are
Speaker 2: detect where down is and that's what enables the picture
Speaker 2: to change when you do that. And so that same gizmo,
Speaker 2: connected to the right software, an app, detects this motion
Speaker 2: that is coordinated with other phones in the neighborhoods. So
Speaker 2: you can't you can't get cal tech to declare there's
Speaker 2: an earthquake. Just by doing this. Everybody's phone's got to
Speaker 2: be doing it. Yeah it works, Governor, Oh, it's not perfect,
Speaker 2: but it worked.
Speaker 7: I mean, we've got a lot of money into it,
Speaker 7: so I just want to make sure investments.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh man, yeah, And so as we say, if
Speaker 2: you have ten seconds, if you have ten seconds of
Speaker 2: warning in an earthquake, that's a lot.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: You can get outside. You can get under a solid table.
Speaker 2: This business about the doorway, that's kind of a myth.
Speaker 2: Get under a table. Or if you can manage to
Speaker 2: get outside away from a building, which is what I
Speaker 2: did the other day. We have a big parking lot.
Speaker 2: We could get outside. Because, as we have the old saying,
Speaker 2: earthquakes don't hurt people. Buildings hurt people. It's when it's
Speaker 2: when structures fall down and you're underneath them that stuff
Speaker 2: goes wrong.
Speaker 6: Let me ask you a question, Bill, I can tell
Speaker 6: my twelve year old if name one or two things
Speaker 6: you think he's an experience when he's when he's fifty.
Speaker 5: And sixty years old, that, oh man?
Speaker 6: Is I know it's more than that, but is there
Speaker 6: a few things you like, like look out for this
Speaker 6: two things? Uh?
Speaker 2: Uh uh no. No, I'll bet you in fifty years
Speaker 2: someone has figured out how to do fusion on earth surface.
Speaker 2: There are so many companies working so hard at it,
Speaker 2: and universities working so hard at it. I bet somebody
Speaker 2: does it. So we a nuclear power plant that we have. Now,
Speaker 2: you take these large atoms, I mean they're atoms, but
Speaker 2: these large atoms, and you get them to split apart,
Speaker 2: and as they split apart, the splitting, they run into
Speaker 2: other atoms and they split some more in the so
Speaker 2: called chain reaction like Oppenheimer what have you. But in
Speaker 2: the interior of the Sun and all the stars in
Speaker 2: the sky, there's so much gravity that the repulsion, the
Speaker 2: force that would keep these particles from smashing together, is overcome.
Speaker 2: And that also releases even much more heat. That's the
Speaker 2: hydrogen bomb. Right. The sun is a fusion power plant
Speaker 2: running day and night. There's no night. It's the sun.
Speaker 2: And so so betcha' somebody in the next fifty years
Speaker 2: has got fusion working, and then we would have humankind
Speaker 2: would have, really you all, unlimited electricity.
Speaker 7: Which changes everything in every way, the economics of everything,
Speaker 7: radical change ability, the universality of this.
Speaker 2: So if I were king of the forest governor, we'd
Speaker 2: be throwing money at that like crazy.
Speaker 7: And you think it's I love that you said fifty years,
Speaker 7: because we've been promoting this as in the next four
Speaker 7: or five years, next four or five.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, he's said he's he gave me fifty.
Speaker 7: All right, so you're covering your basis. So you got
Speaker 7: that cover.
Speaker 5: Hold on, What's what's the second thing, Bill.
Speaker 2: Well, marsha on bases are part of the baseball it's
Speaker 2: a different game from your profession.
Speaker 3: Yeah, anyway, I'll swing a bet too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I bet you do. Man, all you guys are
Speaker 2: just extraordinary athletes. I'm not changing this of it. When
Speaker 2: I was on the field in October last year, I
Speaker 2: was impressed by the whole thing. Okay, you guys are
Speaker 2: so big and so fast, it's just weird. And you're
Speaker 2: also so quick, it's just weird. It doesn't look real.
Speaker 2: And then you guys just warming up throwing the ball
Speaker 2: to each other. It would take my arm off. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's the guys throw it so hard, and guys like
Speaker 2: you you get it an instantly. You've got your fingers
Speaker 2: on the seam or the stitches, just instantly. It's amazing.
Speaker 2: But the thing that freaked me out or freaked me out,
Speaker 2: the thing that made such an impression on me, was
Speaker 2: the punting. I mean, I've kicked a football. I think
Speaker 2: these guys kick it up. It comes down with frost star.
Speaker 2: It's big in the atmosphere. And then they said, Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna kick it over here. The guy's got a
Speaker 2: flag or an orange thing. Kicks it over there. He
Speaker 2: kicks it over there, he kicks it end over end,
Speaker 2: he kicks it short, and he kicks it far. It's
Speaker 2: just whoa. I mean, just sorry. It made an impression.
Speaker 1: That's a different beat.
Speaker 4: Yeah, my shot.
Speaker 7: I noticed he didn't talk about running backs talking about
Speaker 7: I'm just saying it.
Speaker 2: I started out with running backs so big, so fast,
Speaker 2: and so.
Speaker 3: Quick, and they get the Yeah he missed that part.
Speaker 1: Don't worry that.
Speaker 4: I thought he's trying about the receivers.
Speaker 1: Now that's just the governor doing the governor's thing.
Speaker 2: You know, do they still ever sear? Okay? So the
Speaker 2: second thing, Doug, is discovery of life or evidence of
Speaker 2: life on another world. If you give me fifty years,
Speaker 2: somebody's going to scoop around under the soil on mars Man.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you just say.
Speaker 2: Now, I'm not talking about aliens beaming stuff. I'm talking
Speaker 2: about some Martian bacteria under the sand of Mars, where
Speaker 2: there's still this very salty slush. And then on October tenth,
Speaker 2: as we say in space exploration, ne et no earlier
Speaker 2: than October tenth, You and I, we taxpayers, are going
Speaker 2: to send a mission of spacecraft to Europa. Europa is
Speaker 2: the moon of Jupiter with twice as much ocean water
Speaker 2: as Earth. If you have salt water for four and
Speaker 2: a half billion years. Is there something alive on Europa?
Speaker 2: Are there EU opinions swimming around under the ice on Europa?
Speaker 7: Why are we talking about where we talk about Mars
Speaker 7: so much, Why are we talking about Europians?
Speaker 5: Well, Marshaun Winzemr Is on his TV show.
Speaker 3: That's the smoke screen. Get you thinking about this shit
Speaker 3: over here while they over there doing with it. You know,
Speaker 3: that's that's politics one on one.
Speaker 4: Oh, is it?
Speaker 7: We're deflecting on the real mission, the missions to Europa.
Speaker 1: That's what y'all doing.
Speaker 2: By by the way, the amount of money we spend
Speaker 2: on these planetary missions is nothing. It's less than a
Speaker 2: cup of coffee once. By the way, when you this
Speaker 2: thing leaves no earlier than October tenth, it will get
Speaker 2: to Jupiter in twenty thirty, twenty thirty, a huge flipping rocket,
Speaker 2: gigant get rocket will not get to Jupiter for six years,
Speaker 2: almost six years. It's amazing. It's so far away.
Speaker 5: And are they putting people on that?
Speaker 2: No? No, no, no.
Speaker 4: One's on it.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 1: I was about to say that, man, who the fuck
Speaker 1: want to go out in.
Speaker 2: The space That's why it's so cheap. There's no people.
Speaker 2: You don't have to feed them, you don't have to
Speaker 2: have them take care process their waste. It's a spacecraft
Speaker 2: full of instruments.
Speaker 6: Well, Bill, why are more people not going to the Moon?
Speaker 6: I mean, I know we did that back and Earth.
Speaker 7: By the way, well that was not staged either, Bill,
Speaker 7: was it? I mean, I know we have flat earthers.
Speaker 7: We stop people literally that do not believe we ever
Speaker 7: went to the moon. And it does beg the question
Speaker 7: why haven't we been back? If we were there the
Speaker 7: first time?
Speaker 2: We are going back in twenty twenty eight. They're all
Speaker 2: sexed up on this on Artemis. No people are going back?
Speaker 2: Is no earlier than twenty twenty eight. There's been a
Speaker 2: setback with the Star. The Star Cruise CST, another Boeing product,
Speaker 2: has been a setback, and SpaceX has not flown to
Speaker 2: what they're called the starship in orbit around Earth or
Speaker 2: out to the Moon or all that. But people are
Speaker 2: working really hard on that and it's going to happen.
Speaker 7: Bill, on a serious note, what is the benefit I mean,
Speaker 7: obviously the moon going back to the Moon, But is
Speaker 7: that the highest and best use in terms of those
Speaker 7: space dollars or is it to do what you guys
Speaker 7: are trying to do before October tenth?
Speaker 2: After October. So I am the CEO of the Planetary Society.
Speaker 2: We promote planetary science so that people everywhere on Earth
Speaker 2: will know the Cosmos and our place within it. That
Speaker 2: is our mission. I applied to be an astronaut four times. However,
Speaker 2: I don't really especially need to fly in Earth orbit.
Speaker 2: I don't especially need to go to the Moon, I
Speaker 2: really have. I am not interested in going to the
Speaker 2: mar going to Mars unless I'm coming back.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the return flight issue.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. So whether or not it's the best use
Speaker 2: of our tax dollars, I defer to you all. But
Speaker 2: it is happening because enough people think it's a worthy
Speaker 2: and cool thing to do that we're doing it and
Speaker 2: interesting everybody. The reason, well, hang on, the reason we
Speaker 2: went to the moon originally was because of the Cold War. Okay,
Speaker 2: you can say that all sorts of amazing science came
Speaker 2: from it. We learned so much more about the age
Speaker 2: of the Earth, and where the Moon came from, and
Speaker 2: where Moon's writ large can come from, and where the
Speaker 2: significance of asteroids in the evolution of life on Earth.
Speaker 2: When the people walked on the moon, there was no
Speaker 2: good idea of what happened to the ancient dinosaurs. It
Speaker 2: wasn't until nineteen eighty eighty three that people work that out,
Speaker 2: and it was in part by studying the moon. Doug
Speaker 2: back to you.
Speaker 6: Well, that's fascinating. It's interesting as an agent. Bill and
Speaker 6: Marshall be back in a second. But the advt now
Speaker 6: about new therapies and things to do, you know. Now
Speaker 6: it's the new fat of these cold plunges and these
Speaker 6: red light therapy saunas.
Speaker 5: How and by the way, our governor who uses them
Speaker 5: every day, and.
Speaker 7: I don't use them every day, just every other day.
Speaker 7: I mean, I've never been healthier as.
Speaker 5: He wasted his time? Or are these legit?
Speaker 2: Bill, Well, it's up to the person. Let me say,
Speaker 2: as much as we may think it's a new idea.
Speaker 2: People in Scandinavia have been using saunas and cold baths forever.
Speaker 2: People in Japan are fascinated. But the ancient Romans had
Speaker 2: the baths. You can go to Britain and there's the
Speaker 2: town of Baths named after the bags. Like, it's not
Speaker 2: an extraordinary new idea. What's cool now or cold now
Speaker 2: is we can get things so much colder, so much quicker,
Speaker 2: so much faster. We can get things so much warmer,
Speaker 2: so much more quickly than we could in the good
Speaker 2: old days. So the answer is clearly without question.
Speaker 7: Maybe see I love a certainty of science.
Speaker 4: That's why you need scientists in the world, not politicians.
Speaker 2: I think what it is is your results may vary.
Speaker 7: You did a series with Seth McFarlane about disasters, and
Speaker 7: you talked about volcanoes, you talk about asteroids, you talked
Speaker 7: about all of these issues, including solar flares. I think
Speaker 7: was one of them that was a that's the one
Speaker 7: that's the one you're most worried about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean asteroids. Everybody, by the way, everybody hip
Speaker 2: to apophus.
Speaker 7: Apophus I want to claim I am just in case
Speaker 7: I look stupid, but I have no clue what you're
Speaker 7: talking about.
Speaker 2: Well you won't now, so I'm not kidding. April Friday,
Speaker 2: the thirteenth of April twenty twenty nine, an asteroid is
Speaker 2: going to come between us and serious XM satellites and
Speaker 2: it's called a poffice, which is one translation the Greek
Speaker 2: god of anxiety. So during that flyby of this rock,
Speaker 2: we are working to get an international consortium together to
Speaker 2: make it what we're calling a dress rehearsal for deflecting
Speaker 2: an asteroid, because it's a real thing. An asteroid impact
Speaker 2: is a real thing to really physically actually worry about.
Speaker 2: But the one that I'm really worried about of the
Speaker 2: six disasters we did is this solar flare of what's
Speaker 2: called coronal mass ejection a CME uh. And what would
Speaker 2: the real thing that could go easily wrong is two
Speaker 2: of them twelve hours apart, so you'd you'd turn off
Speaker 2: all the lights on Earth, which would just be catastrophic, catastrophic.
Speaker 7: And you were, I mean, these weren't I mean completely
Speaker 7: hypothetical scenarios that you were laying out, including by the way,
Speaker 7: hurricanes cat fives versus cat sixes.
Speaker 2: Well, so category sixes have occurred on the open ocean.
Speaker 2: One hasn't landed yet, So I mean you.
Speaker 7: Talk about optimism, but imagine that also, Yeah, you know
Speaker 7: those six episodes brought a little anxiety as well as well.
Speaker 7: Was it about awareness, about waking up our senses?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's about paying attention. So in the case of
Speaker 2: Chrono mass ejections, the solar players put it turning out
Speaker 2: all the lights. This is a solvable problem. So you
Speaker 2: all may remember when the Texas grid. Now some of
Speaker 2: my best friends, as they say, are from Texas, proud Texans,
Speaker 2: and they're very proud of their electrical grid. They're very
Speaker 2: proud of that they were independent. But then we got
Speaker 2: a little bit cold, a little bit quickly, nothing extraordinary,
Speaker 2: and the power went out all over the place. The
Speaker 2: famous pictures of here's Texas in the dark, and here's
Speaker 2: Arkansas with the lights on, and El Paso I think
Speaker 2: is not quite on the grid. So a solvable problem.
Speaker 2: What we have to do is the expression they throw
Speaker 2: around is hardened or get the electrical grid more robust
Speaker 2: so when it gets cold and warm, the system keeps running.
Speaker 2: And one that another one you want to design for
Speaker 2: is this very strong electromagnetic field that is induced when
Speaker 2: these charged particles from the Sun interact with Earth's magnetic field.
Speaker 2: Who could forget eighteen fifty nine Carrington the Carrington event.
Speaker 2: So Carlington was an astronomer observed these sunspots and then fires
Speaker 2: were started in telegraph offices the telegraph lines. Of the
Speaker 2: energy going through the telegraph lines interacted with the Earth's
Speaker 2: magnetic field, and these charged particles and zap stuff. And
Speaker 2: as before, we had phone calls like this, and all
Speaker 2: this electricity running all over the flip and place be
Speaker 2: cat test traphic. So we need to shield them, shield
Speaker 2: this stuff.
Speaker 7: And so I mean, so that's I mean, that's a
Speaker 7: demonstrable thread, not a hypothetical because you're able to connect
Speaker 7: to that date.
Speaker 4: What is it? Is there any.
Speaker 7: Seriousness of purpose the federal government's placing on this or
Speaker 7: is this or is the byproduct of our general efforts
Speaker 7: to upgrade our gride, harden our grid, decentralize our grid
Speaker 7: and all of the other things going to benefit.
Speaker 2: Well, hypertheoretically it would benefit from decentralizing, but still you
Speaker 2: need to shields the real vulnerable part that we were
Speaker 2: We read some papers about You know, the people engineers
Speaker 2: who studied paragrid is, the transformers, those cans on the
Speaker 2: utility poles, those are the real vulnerable component components of
Speaker 2: the electro grid. So we need to shield those. And
Speaker 2: there's have you ever heard this story in the thunderstorm,
Speaker 2: stay in your car.
Speaker 4: That's a I mean? And is that literally the advice
Speaker 4: in this case?
Speaker 2: Absolutely stay in the metal.
Speaker 4: Car, Stay in the middle car.
Speaker 2: The energy of the lightning will go around you. It
Speaker 2: will go around if the car's metal. If you're in
Speaker 2: a plastic car, things will be different, but it'll go
Speaker 2: around you. And the guy who developed Faraday's law, Michael Faraday,
Speaker 2: did this analysis that's now famous where the term Faraday
Speaker 2: cage has caught on. If you have a metal cage
Speaker 2: a conductive cage around an object, it will protect it,
Speaker 2: and then you can optimize it so that you also
Speaker 2: have that energy go to the ground like a lightning rod.
Speaker 2: It's all. It's doable, but we have to design for
Speaker 2: it and plan for it and throw money at it.
Speaker 2: Tax dollars.
Speaker 6: Bill, take me through your campaign of too hot not
Speaker 6: to vote, explain that to us.
Speaker 2: So I just encourage everybody who wants to vote thoughtlessly
Speaker 2: for conservatives. You should vote on Wednesdays. To be sure
Speaker 2: to vote on Wednesdays.
Speaker 4: We know where your leadings are.
Speaker 2: I was well leanings. I'm way past leaning it. No, no,
Speaker 2: So I ran this nonprofit where we worked very hard
Speaker 2: to be political but not partisan. But now we can't
Speaker 2: do that. This is it climate change, This is it.
Speaker 2: If we do not do not address climate change this
Speaker 2: time four years from now, it's just going to be
Speaker 2: really hard to do it.
Speaker 7: You really feel like we're at that tippy POI where
Speaker 7: I mean literally because we keep talking about it. In
Speaker 7: some ways, some people feel like we can continue to
Speaker 7: move that bar.
Speaker 4: But you feel like the next.
Speaker 2: Few years it's easy for us to be called alarmists. Yep,
Speaker 2: in a critical way. Paul Revere was an alarmist. That
Speaker 2: was good. That was good. Paul revering everybody, He got
Speaker 2: everybody rapped up, and we have a country on account
Speaker 2: of it. So uh, it's not that there's going to
Speaker 2: be what has often been analyzed as a tipping point.
Speaker 2: Apparently the latest research is it's just going to get
Speaker 2: worse and worse. It's just gonna get hotter and hotter.
Speaker 2: More stuff's gonna go wrong, more sea level rise, fewer glaciers,
Speaker 2: more displaced wildlife, more wildfires, are difficult to predict, weather,
Speaker 2: more extreme weather events in the Gulf of Mexico, Nor'easter's
Speaker 2: Pineapple Express. Everything's just going to get amplified.
Speaker 4: And human migration, human displacement.
Speaker 2: People are gonna So it's happening in the States. You guys.
Speaker 2: You can't get insurance for your parking your car in
Speaker 2: Florida because of the salt water coming over on the
Speaker 2: King tides and coming up through the limestone in Florida.
Speaker 2: And so people are gonna move, not immediately, but sooner
Speaker 2: or later. And where are they going to go and
Speaker 2: where they're gonna.
Speaker 7: Do homeowner insurance as well as it relates to impacts
Speaker 7: of wildfires.
Speaker 2: And then wildfires in California and then now in Pallas
Speaker 2: Verdi's So I'll tell you, Governor. The head of the
Speaker 2: jet propulsion lab during the Viking missions, the Voyager missions
Speaker 2: the nineteen seventies, the heyday of those missions, Bruce Bett.
Speaker 2: Bruce Bett, Bruce Murray was a geologist, and he used
Speaker 2: to just, oh, you know, so I've been California. This
Speaker 2: isn't rock it's just it's just dried mud this whole place.
Speaker 2: It's going to fall apart when there's an earthquake. He
Speaker 2: used to say stuff like that, And so Pallas Verdes
Speaker 2: is that's where it's going on.
Speaker 4: Man, it's uh.
Speaker 7: And you guys aren't unaware it's I mean, back in
Speaker 7: the fifties Pallas Verdi started to slip, there was some
Speaker 7: landslide movement. Now it's been accelerated the last two years
Speaker 7: of massive rains have been moving up to six eight inches.
Speaker 7: I mean, it's it's a serious thing. They're losing electricity,
Speaker 7: losing their gas.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 7: And it's a very It's tends to be a wealthier
Speaker 7: community and impacts even with folks with means, is pretty outsized.
Speaker 2: Folks with means, and then where are they going to
Speaker 2: do go? And if you've lost everything, even if you're rich,
Speaker 2: it's a drag Amen.
Speaker 4: Amen. But all byproducts of this sort of foundational reality
Speaker 4: that we're still debating, Bill, We're still debating the science
Speaker 4: of climate change.
Speaker 2: It's amazing and it should be one would think it's
Speaker 2: not a part is an issue. Everybody's invested in the
Speaker 2: health and safety, health and welfare of our citizens. Everybody
Speaker 2: can see that. They're more wildfires, and you can say,
Speaker 2: well there's more fuel. No, no, they're more wildfires. They
Speaker 2: are more floods. These hurricanes are devastating, and we have
Speaker 2: more people living everywhere, and so there are more effects
Speaker 2: on us agricultures. Of everybody can see that. Yet the
Speaker 2: fossil fuel industry has been so influential convincing people that
Speaker 2: scientific uncertainty plus or minus two percent is the same
Speaker 2: as plus or minus one hundred percent. And so you
Speaker 2: just can't do that, No, Bill, I was.
Speaker 7: I mean it just what you just said I think
Speaker 7: is really important. I wanted to underscore it. Even if
Speaker 7: you don't believe in science. To your point, you have
Speaker 7: to believe your own eyes. And the hots are getting
Speaker 7: a lot hotter, drivers are getting dryer, wets are getting wetter, lifestyles, places, traditions.
Speaker 7: You have places like Paradise, California, wiped off the map,
Speaker 7: grizzly flats, places literally that people have experienced for generations.
Speaker 7: You try to go to the Assemite Park, all of
Speaker 7: a sudden, you're.
Speaker 4: With the grandkids.
Speaker 7: You can't even experience what your grandparents allowed you to
Speaker 7: experience as a child because they're closed. So this is
Speaker 7: a I mean, it's serious stuff and it's costing taxpayers
Speaker 7: of fortune.
Speaker 4: But you said it.
Speaker 7: I cannot, I cannot impress upon folks more. This is
Speaker 7: not complicated. The climate crisis is a byproduct of greenhouse
Speaker 7: gases emissions from the burning of fossil fuels, of oil,
Speaker 7: gas and coal.
Speaker 4: It's not complicated.
Speaker 7: And the complicity of the oil companies to deny and
Speaker 7: now delay and obfuscate facts and science is of outsized
Speaker 7: importance to highlight. So anyway, I just that's off for
Speaker 7: you for calling balls and strikes.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about it, talk about climate change.
Speaker 6: And look, I gotta tell you, bill uh, this has
Speaker 6: been an obsosite pleasure. You are you are, it's so
Speaker 6: impressive and all these things. We could talk to you
Speaker 6: for about seven more hours or seven more days or
Speaker 6: seven more weeks, but this has been unbelievable.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 5: Moreshan is a couple of things left.
Speaker 1: No, it's all good. I just no, I'm good, big dog.
Speaker 2: You have a question, Marshaan.
Speaker 3: Just just just hearing you speak and just knowing that
Speaker 3: I was I was better. That's enough for me, big dog.
Speaker 3: I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: So you know what he brought to the game, you guys,
Speaker 2: he played with joy. Yep, Marshawn played with joy and
Speaker 2: you could see it.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, that's hey, Bill.
Speaker 7: Do you know just today, Doug, what this joy has
Speaker 7: now brought Marshawn as one of the new fifteen folks
Speaker 7: to be considered for the Hall of Fame just came out?
Speaker 2: Oh wow, sure for some reason, I'm not consulted.
Speaker 6: But of course, last thing, Bill, because I always tell
Speaker 6: more Shawn this. Marshawn has lived his life with joy.
Speaker 6: He's lived his life how he's.
Speaker 5: Wanted to do it. He lived it with happiness.
Speaker 6: Equate that to length of life, Bill, because I think
Speaker 6: if you live like Moreshawn does, he might lived about
Speaker 6: one hundred and fifteen, So I think more people need
Speaker 6: to live like Morehon Who.
Speaker 2: So you have to put in the hours to do that, so,
Speaker 2: you know, doing the podcast a different podcast, We had
Speaker 2: a guy on who studies a physician who studies people
Speaker 2: who are over one hundred years old, and he said,
Speaker 2: there are two kinds of people that live to be
Speaker 2: over one hundred. People who are just happy. They're just happy.
Speaker 2: Stuff goes wrong, they just roll with it. And then
Speaker 2: people who just take all the stress, all the stress
Speaker 2: and put it on everybody else. There's some really very
Speaker 2: interesting observation. I'm giving you hearsay of what this guy
Speaker 2: told us on the podcast. I haven't done the research,
Speaker 2: but could be.
Speaker 3: I think I might hellow mustress on you and Batman
Speaker 3: Man you do that every day, Marsha.
Speaker 1: I think I might hello lustress on all that.
Speaker 2: Oh Man, that's why you're going to go one fifteen.
Speaker 2: So anyway, Governor, you know I will vote in Studio City. Uh.
Speaker 2: And I look forward to voting and everybody. People are
Speaker 2: talking about the seven swing states and all this stuff,
Speaker 2: but don't forget you got to vote. Even if it's
Speaker 2: nominally our people perceive it to be in the got
Speaker 2: to vote. Everybody, please vote with the climate and the
Speaker 2: future of humankind in mind. Thank you so much for
Speaker 2: having me on the show.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Bill. It's been a pleasure.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 2: Anything I can do to help, man, Governor, anything I
Speaker 2: can do to help, let me know in a way,
Speaker 2: let me know if I can help. All Right, you guys,
Speaker 2: carry on, Let's change the world.
Speaker 5: Thank you, Thank you Bill.