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Speaker 1: It's The Herd on a Tuesday. The Herd Hierarchy. One

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Speaker 1: hour from now, Patriots head coach Mike Crable stops by.

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Speaker 1: Welcome in wherever you may be, however you may be listening,

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Speaker 1: appreciate you make an US part of your day. So

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Speaker 1: in the NFL, I think we all know this. The

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Speaker 1: more ways you can win, the better. Seattle's winning when

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Speaker 1: Sam Darnold doesn't play well, the Niners one when Max

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Speaker 1: game and not Caleb Philadelphia won a game this weekend

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Speaker 1: where they didn't complete a pass in the second half.

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Speaker 1: A lot of different ways for the Seahawks and the

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Speaker 1: Niners and the Bears. The Eagles, maybe more than any

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Speaker 1: team can win. But with the Rams it's different. If

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Speaker 1: Matt Stafford plays poorly, they lose. In the eleven wins

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Speaker 1: this year for the Rams, he has thirty touchdowns and

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Speaker 1: two picks. In the Rams five losses, he has twelve

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Speaker 1: touchdowns and six picks. And people call Sam Darnold reckless.

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Speaker 1: But when Donald struggles, he still gives you elite mobility

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Speaker 1: and playmaking. Stafford now took over the all time lead

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Speaker 1: in pick sixes. Like it's just not good if he's struggling. Yesterday,

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Speaker 1: at the end of the show, I called it the

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Speaker 1: McVeigh magic. Sometimes when you watch the Rams, are they

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Speaker 1: great or is McVeigh just magical? Brandon Staley was mcveigh's

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Speaker 1: brilliant defense coordinator until he left the building. Zach Taylor

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Speaker 1: ten games under five hundred and Cincinnati he was the

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Speaker 1: next McVeigh. I hear that defensive coordinator Chris Shula is

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Speaker 1: going to be a head coach, But I just watched

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Speaker 1: bees On Robinson have his best game as a pro

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Speaker 1: to adjust at halftime. Is he really a great defensive coordinator?

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Speaker 1: I mean, the bottom line here, if not for an

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Speaker 1: amazing play in special Teams by Jared Verse. How close

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Speaker 1: is that game? And here's what's troublesome beyond being very

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Speaker 1: dependent on Stafford, is in the last three weeks the

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Speaker 1: Rams defense second worst in the league and the yards

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Speaker 1: allowed per play. I'm not denying versus great and Stafford's

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Speaker 1: unbelievably talented and nobody can defend Puka, but it is

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Speaker 1: interesting when you have McVeigh and Kyle Shanahan in the

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Speaker 1: McVeigh and Shanahan, it's like they're illusionists. Is brought pretty

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Speaker 1: plays like it is Juwan Jennings really that great, as

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Speaker 1: it is. The Rams offensive line really that good? Got

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Speaker 1: because what is absolutely clear with LA there's absolute deficiencies

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Speaker 1: three weeks regressing Stafford gets reckless without Devonte Adams. They

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Speaker 1: really hurts because they have Atlanta's first round pick. A

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Speaker 1: championships recently, They've won a Super Bowl more recently. I

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Speaker 1: don't feel like the ecosystem with Baltimore is outdated. In Pittsburgh,

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Speaker 1: the influence of Tomlin, who's still an elite motivator. The Ravens,

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Speaker 1: But I don't feel the same. Here's Harball when he's

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Speaker 5: It's just not something that you have the ability to

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Speaker 5: it's always that way, you know. So it's probably all

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Speaker 1: My wife talks about this all the time. As you age,

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Speaker 1: The Steelers don't necessarily with all the money they spend

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Speaker 1: I like their ownership, the front office, their head coach,

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Speaker 1: their quarterback. They can even win Huntley. The backup quarterbacks good.

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Speaker 1: They get efficient play when Lamar doesn't play, But so

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Speaker 1: it doesn't feel the same to me. I can like

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Speaker 1: the Ravens to win that game. J Meck had a

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Speaker 1: good week, a good week of let's just say with

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Speaker 1: Mike Rabel on today that Stafford probably played his way

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Speaker 1: out of the MVP last night. You know, it's a

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Speaker 1: standalone game, fair not those things always have major influence.

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Speaker 1: But the biggest game yesterday, you argue on Monday, excuse me,

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Speaker 1: Drake may as MVP. Well let me ask.

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Speaker 6: if Rabels was really going all in on the Jets,

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Speaker 6: I almost wonder maybe you got your point.

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Speaker 1: Maybe he was trying to get Drake made the MVP award.

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Speaker 7: They were pouring it on Colin in the second half.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think Rabel's a guy that worries about

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Speaker 6: Was not forgotten among Jets fans. Let's just say that

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Speaker 6: like it'll matter in a few years.

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Speaker 1: The more decent maybe a few decades.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's one of the few things I do right.

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Speaker 1: I make a prediction every year. I take an NFL

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Speaker 1: a playoff team. I didn't think they'd be this good

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Speaker 1: knowing in a while we all have, is joining us

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Speaker 1: three super Bowls, three division titles. Well, you know, Mike Herett,

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Speaker 1: Mike, you have a when you sit after a game,

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Speaker 1: Does Brady ever call you and try to give you

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Speaker 8: We're all set right now.

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Speaker 1: I try. I try to give him tips on broadcasting.

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Speaker 1: Hey, good luck, congrats, Really happy for you, Mike. Give kicked, But.

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Speaker 1: You bet, Mike Frable.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, put Buffalo once again at ten. They've trailed in

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Speaker 1: Bears At eight. Number seven, Denver Broncos clinch their first

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Speaker 1: The Jags seven game winning streak. During that streak outscoring

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Speaker 1: Only team in the league top five offense, top five defense.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Drake may is going to win the MVP,

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Speaker 1: and should he just I mean he had a bad

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Speaker 1: game I think on the road against Pittsburgh about three

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Speaker 1: months ago. But they got a lockdown corner and Christian Gonzales.

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Speaker 1: They don't run the ball consistently, but they run it

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Speaker 1: good enough. I have them at three, number two niners.

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Speaker 1: I know, six game winning street. Do they have a

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Speaker 1: whole yeah. Opposing quarterbacks have a passer rating of one

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Speaker 1: on one. Caleb Williams had his best game as a pro,

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Speaker 1: so Robert Sulla's done a great job. They got a

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Speaker 1: bletch to create pressure. They've got a massive hole. But

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Speaker 1: offensively right now they are on fire. And George Kittle

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Speaker 1: didn't even play against Chicago. I got him at two.

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Speaker 1: Number one. Seattle four and two against winning teams. Donald's

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Speaker 1: the winningest quarterback in the NFL the last two years.

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Speaker 1: Seattle may not be great at anything, they're not bad

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Speaker 1: at anything. They don't have to have Donald play great

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Speaker 1: to win. They don't have to have a bunch of

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Speaker 1: sacks to win. They went on the road, they went

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Speaker 1: at home again in the playoffs. You can't be bad

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Speaker 1: at stuff because the coaching's so good, they'll expose it.

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Speaker 1: They remind me a little bit of New England. What's

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Speaker 1: New England bad at? I wish I wish the Patriots

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Speaker 1: and the ball more consistently, But New England's not bad

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Speaker 1: at anything. The only other team I can say that

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Speaker 1: about is the Seahawks. I have them at number one.

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Speaker 7: J Mack thoughts, three teams in the NFC West make

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Speaker 7: your top five.

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Speaker 1: That is insane. Colin. If I had said the Jags

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Speaker 1: would be number four in the.

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Speaker 6: Hurt hierarchy heading into week eighteen, you probably would have kicked.

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Speaker 1: Me off the show.

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Speaker 10: Jacksonville.

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Speaker 1: That is an unbelievable story. I was just doing some

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Speaker 1: research here.

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Speaker 7: Did you know they lead the NFL and drop passes

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Speaker 7: this year?

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Speaker 2: What?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 10: They crazy?

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Speaker 1: See Jacksonville is one of those teams if you know

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Speaker 1: you can't, it just goes to show. I mean, Chicago

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Speaker 1: hires a new offensive coach, Jacksonville hires a new offensive coach.

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Speaker 1: San Francisco Rams offensive coach. We do like the Texans

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Speaker 1: because their defense is by far and away the best

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Speaker 1: in the league. And again Vrabels, Drake may is gonna work.

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Speaker 1: Josh McDaniels a little bit of a secret sauce here

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Speaker 1: with Brady and mcgae. It's a lot of offensive guys

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Speaker 1: engineering it. Jean Payton and Denver. I mean, say what

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Speaker 1: you want about Philadelphia, but I mean that offense Jalen Hurts,

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Speaker 1: doesn't turn it over, doesn't take a lot of sacks.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you a way, if Philadelphia played the Rams.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned this earlier, the game plan is going to

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Speaker 1: be real obvious. You throw to aj Brown fifteen times.

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Speaker 1: Because I don't think the Rams match up at all.

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Speaker 1: I think Philadelphia is a tough matchup for the Rams.

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Speaker 7: By the way, Colin on your list here, I'm counting

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Speaker 7: four quarterbacks on the Rookie Deal, Drake May, Bo Nicks.

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Speaker 8: C J.

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Speaker 6: Stroud, and Kayleb Williams. Interesting, no Mahomes, no Burrow, no Lamar.

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Speaker 6: The tide has turned in the NFL pretty quickly.

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Speaker 1: Huh, oh my gosh.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: and newon eastern non am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio

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Speaker 2: FS one and the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 1: He's a busy guy doing a lot of things multimedia.

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Speaker 1: We don't want to take too much of his time

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Speaker 1: now that he's in the third hour. He's the co

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Speaker 1: host and a friend. First things first, his name is

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Speaker 1: Nick Right. His name is Nick Right. And it's interesting,

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Speaker 1: you're very that is hold on, hold on.

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Speaker 3: That is one hell of a way to explain. I

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Speaker 3: got bumped from the spot I've been in for seven

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Speaker 3: years for Joel Klatt when I got the text like, hey,

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Speaker 3: can we move you?

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Speaker 10: This is like it's a Herd hierarchy.

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Speaker 3: Then Nick Wright every Tuesday for damn near a decade. Honestly,

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Speaker 3: I said yes, of course, And in my head I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 3: Tom Brady must be coming on, like that would make sense.

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Speaker 10: I was like, that's why I turn it on.

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Speaker 3: And I love Joel best looking man in sports TV.

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Speaker 3: But that's it, just a very quick anytime the ego

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Speaker 3: gets a little too big, it's nice to have a

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Speaker 3: reality check at a joke. Lad schedule far more important

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Speaker 3: than within with something we've done for a decade.

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Speaker 1: So no problem.

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Speaker 3: I'm glad you could make time for me, mister coward.

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Speaker 1: Thank you you bet. I did tell them yesterday. I

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Speaker 1: said I'd preferm in the second hour. It has to

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Speaker 1: go through Nick, so I did you know.

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Speaker 10: Try, No problem, don't worry.

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Speaker 1: So I still I'm I just don't buy Buffalo. I

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Speaker 1: don't think you can win a super Bowl. Trailing seven

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Speaker 1: out of eight weeks. They're so bad in the first half.

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Speaker 1: They're worse than Cleveland in the since week ten in

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Speaker 1: the first half. So I have them ten And by

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Speaker 1: the way, i've second with the Chargers. You can't win

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Speaker 1: multiple playoff games with an O line that bad. You

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Speaker 1: can't win when you constantly put a cape on Josh Allen,

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Speaker 1: anything else, anything jump out to you here.

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Speaker 3: Well, so I guess here's what I would say. I

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Speaker 3: feel like you can do the You can't win a

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Speaker 3: super Bowl with x with every team this year, Like

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Speaker 3: if I were to go through your hierarchy, I would

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Speaker 3: feel like the Seahawks, We're gonna trust Darnold in four

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Speaker 3: straight or three straight huge spots feels shricky. The Niners

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Speaker 3: the team that gets to the quarterback less than any

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Speaker 3: team in the league, that many defensive injuries, good to it.

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Speaker 10: Patriots have looked great.

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Speaker 3: The real knock on them is simply a quarterback's first

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Speaker 3: ever playoff run.

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Speaker 10: He's gonna go all the.

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Speaker 3: Way and they haven't faced the stiffest competition the Jags have.

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Speaker 3: You know how much I like Trevor Lawrence and want

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Speaker 3: to believe in the Jags, but they were a shaky

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Speaker 3: team until five weeks ago. They were winning despite not

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Speaker 3: playing great. The Rams are They playing their worst football

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Speaker 3: of the season at the worst time of the season.

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Speaker 3: The Eagles have played thirty two halves this year, colin

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Speaker 3: three of them ten percent. They have negative yards passing.

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Speaker 3: One in ten halves they go negative yards passing.

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Speaker 10: Don't trust to me.

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Speaker 3: The Broncos are the Texans offense or the Bears defense.

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Speaker 3: And then you get to Buffalo, So I agree with you.

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Speaker 3: It's a yeah. But season here would be the positive

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Speaker 3: case for Buffalo after Sunday night. I didn't know their

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Speaker 3: defense had that in them. The defense actually bowed up

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Speaker 3: in that game. They got let down by Josh Allen,

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Speaker 3: who's been great, made some mistakes.

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Speaker 10: The sack he took to take.

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Speaker 3: Him out of field goal range, the fumble, it is

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Speaker 3: bad luck, but in chase after it and he missed

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Speaker 3: an easy throw. Can Josh Allen, who, by the way,

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Speaker 3: this is the other question, never won a road playoff game.

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Speaker 3: Win three in a row to get to the super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: If not now win But I just feel like there

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Speaker 3: is not now that the Rams look a little shaky,

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Speaker 3: and I don't think we have the clear cut, you know,

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Speaker 3: all well rounded, perfect team this year.

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Speaker 10: This is what happens.

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Speaker 3: The moral of the story is, this is what happen

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Speaker 3: when the Chiefs aren't in the playoffs. Everyone's got issues.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it really is just not the same. It's

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Speaker 3: just it's just so much better when the Chiefs are there,

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Speaker 3: and then there's a standard to hold teams to such

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Speaker 3: a bumber.

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Speaker 1: Yeah no, that's actually true and funny. It's both. You know,

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Speaker 1: the Philadelphia is a fan. I said this earlier. If

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Speaker 1: I said I'm going to tell you the tendencies of

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Speaker 1: this franchise. Their coach spars with fans, they fire super

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Speaker 1: Bowl winning quarterback winning coaches, they move off super Bowl

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Speaker 1: winning quarterbacks. They go halves without completing a pass. Their

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Speaker 1: coach is a fire starter and sometimes feels kind of immature,

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Speaker 1: and there's draw between their star receiver and the quarterback.

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Speaker 1: You'd be like, okay, that's Carolina, the Saints, the Jets. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: are the Eagles the greatest dysfunctional franchise in American sports?

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Speaker 1: I don't expect you to know hockey? They're kind no,

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Speaker 1: what a.

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Speaker 3: Great question, So I don't, so I'm not. I consider myself.

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Speaker 3: I know this is in sound arrogant, A true top

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Speaker 3: shelf basketball and football historian, not so much baseball. So

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Speaker 3: I like, were the Billy Martiney Yankees like this? Were

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Speaker 3: they really good? I don't you know, I'm not quite sure. Typically,

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Speaker 3: when we think of dysfunctional teams, you think of you know,

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Speaker 3: the Vikings when they had you know, Earmuff's kids, the

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Speaker 3: sex boat stuff in the two thousand aughts. I think

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Speaker 3: of the Trail Blazers team that you covered. Yeah, and that,

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Speaker 3: by the way, like the Blazers. They were good, they

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Speaker 3: went on playoff runs, but you don't think of champions.

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Speaker 3: Maybe you could argue the Berry Switzer Cowboys.

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Speaker 10: Had some of this, and that is maybe.

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Speaker 3: The similarity is just really stacked roster that the roster

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Speaker 3: the talent becomes almost mistake proof. But Matt Colin, here's

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Speaker 3: what we now know. Philly is going to be the

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Speaker 3: two or the three seed, and we know so they're

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Speaker 3: going to play either the six or the seven. If

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Speaker 3: they're the two, they get Green Bay that I think

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Speaker 3: they should be okay in that spot. But if they

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Speaker 3: are the three, if either they lose this weekend or

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Speaker 3: Chicago wins, and Philly is the three, then the three

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Speaker 3: seed will be playing either the Niners or the Rams.

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Speaker 3: We know that guaranteed. Those are the only two teams

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Speaker 3: that can be the six. Man, I feel like I

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Speaker 3: like either of those teams to go to Philadelphia and

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Speaker 3: beat them. Given how they're playing right now, I just

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Speaker 3: can't trust.

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Speaker 10: That they don't have They have Saquan, but.

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Speaker 3: Saquan hasn't been able to save them this year, and

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Speaker 3: they were playing their worst football of the year. They

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Speaker 3: lost three straight. Jalen had the five turnover game. They

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Speaker 3: then beat Josh Johnson and Kenny Pickett, and people were like,

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Speaker 3: it's fixed. I don't know that it's fixed. And in

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Speaker 3: Buffalo it didn't seem fixed. Even though the defense hats

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Speaker 3: off to Fangio, the defense is unbelievable. I don't think

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Speaker 3: that's going to be enough for them this year.

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Speaker 1: So I acknowledge we all have biases. I'm a traitist

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Speaker 1: with quarterbacks. Yeah, I want I want. I always say

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Speaker 1: I want my quarterbacks like my furniture, big and hard

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Speaker 1: to move. I like big, I like strong, I like tough,

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Speaker 1: I like I like. I like guys who throw picks.

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Speaker 1: I like guys that throw it down the field like

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Speaker 1: I I sure, And then and then and now I

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Speaker 1: don't know what to do with Brock Purdy because he

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Speaker 1: looked like a version.

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Speaker 10: Of looked awesome.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the last three weeks with a good old line,

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Speaker 1: he missed. He didn't have kittle. Trent Williams and you

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Speaker 1: and I have been on this, and I think you

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Speaker 1: and I have mostly been right on the quarterback stuff.

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Speaker 1: I look at brog Perty, I'm like, not big in

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Speaker 1: a big arm. He's a pretty good athlete. And then

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Speaker 1: I watched him, and I'm like, okay, three or four

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Speaker 1: weeks in a row, he's just good as any quarterback

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Speaker 1: in the league. I could say, well, it's it's it's Shanahan,

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Speaker 1: but Trey Lambs didn't work. Garoppolo was okay, he wasn't

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Speaker 1: this what do we make of Purty? So listen, I

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Speaker 1: think both things can be true. The last two weeks,

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Speaker 1: in particular, he's been sensational, and last week against Caleb

649
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Speaker 1: he was. He went blow for blow, throw for throw

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Speaker 1: with a guy who you and I both believe has

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Speaker 1: MVP caliber traits. So I am not taking anything away

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Speaker 1: from Purdy for what he did the last couple of weeks.

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Speaker 1: That can be true, While it also can be true

654
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Speaker 1: that we the information we gleaned from seeing Mac Jones

655
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 1: in this offense with these players for half the season

656
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: not be as good as Purty, but be really good.

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Speaker 1: You know, oh wow, if you had never seen mac

658
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 1: Jones before, you'd be like, oh, okay, that's obviously a franchise quarterback.

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Speaker 1: But we know he's not, So I think that can

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Speaker 1: go into the party grade and evaluation. I also have said,

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Speaker 1: and people don't believe me on this, and I'll be honest,

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Speaker 1: I don't even know if I totally believe myself on

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Speaker 1: this when I say I'm not trying to be a

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Speaker 1: Rock Party hater. I'm just trying to give credit where

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Speaker 1: it's fully due. But I want that to be the case.

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Speaker 1: And what the reason I say that is. It's not

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Speaker 1: that I don't want Party to get credit. It's that

668
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: credit there's only so much credit to go around, and

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Speaker 1: to me, this year, the two leading actors for the

670
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Speaker 1: Niners have been Kyle Shanahan, who has been brilliant, and

671
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey, who I think is the offensive player of

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Speaker 1: the year in this league. I think Christian McCaffrey having

673
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: another two thousand yards from scrimmage season, the touchdowns, the touches,

674
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Speaker 1: the only consistent person on their offense all year to

675
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Speaker 1: have them a game away from the one seed.

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Speaker 3: He has been brilliant. Party since he's come back from

677
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,240
Speaker 3: injury has been very good and the last two weeks

678
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 3: has been exceptional. I still am hesitant, and in fact

679
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 3: not hesitant. I am at the moment, unwilling to elevate

680
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 3: him past a certain tier of quarterbacks because of what

681
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 3: I saw Mac Jones doing, because of what I saw

682
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 3: perty looked like last year, but he's been awesome in

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Speaker 3: the last two weeks.

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Speaker 10: There's no doubt about it.

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Speaker 1: I say I had Mike vrabel on earlier, and I

686
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 1: didn't ask him this because I had talked about it earlier.

687
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: But it was very easy in year two to go

688
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: Lamar should be MVP because he's so explosive and dynamic

689
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 1: and stylistically so unique. And it was very easy with

690
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 1: Mahomes he was winning so many games to go, Yeah,

691
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 1: that's an MVP. He throws left handed, he's got the

692
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: best arm in the league. The guy is clever, he's fun.

693
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Speaker 1: I think it's harder to look at Drake may Ando.

694
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: He's very accurate, he's very I like his leadership. It's

695
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 1: all hard until last night you were like, let's give

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00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:08,359
Speaker 1: it to Stafford. Three weeks ago, let's give it. Let's

697
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: give it to Allan. Drake may is Brady with a

698
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: little bit of mobility, and Brady. To the very end,

699
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: Seth Wickersham wrote a column ones I remember this reading it,

700
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 1: and to the very end there were sources saying in

701
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 1: the building a lot of quarterbacks could win here. I'm like,

702
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 1: I could a lot go to Tampa and Hoyst Trophy.

703
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 1: I don't think so. So I think Drake May is

704
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:34,399
Speaker 1: gonna now now win MVP, and I'd argue he has

705
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: been the most consistent quarterback in the league since Week three.

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Speaker 3: So here listen. I think Drake May is awesome. I

707
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 3: think that, And I came on with you two months

708
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 3: ago and I said May and Vrabel are a lesson

709
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 3: for all the perpetual rebuilding franchises that it does not

710
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 3: take five years if you have the right coach and

711
00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 3: the right quarterback. It takes two years. They've only had

712
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 3: the coach for one year. So if you've had the

713
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,839
Speaker 3: same coach and same quarterback for two years and it's

714
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 3: not working, one of them, at least one of them

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00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,399
Speaker 3: is not the right guy. I said a month ago

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00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 3: that when I am doing the top five quarterbacks in

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00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 3: the league, forget you know, in ten years or moving

718
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 3: forward right now this moment, Drake May's on that list.

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Speaker 3: I believe in Drake May. I think he's excellent, and

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Speaker 3: if he wins MVP, I don't think.

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Speaker 10: It's a crime.

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00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 3: But I think what is happening to the NFL MVP

723
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Speaker 3: over the last three seasons is a crime.

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Speaker 10: A sports crime, and that is this.

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00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 3: It feels to me, Colin like, because we do the

726
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 3: MVP horse race starting in week four, that what the

727
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 3: MVP race has actually come down to is this. It

728
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:55,760
Speaker 3: feels like everything up until December first is simply about

729
00:39:55,880 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 3: determining who are the three or four quarterbacks eligible for

730
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 3: the award, and this year it was Stafford way ahead

731
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Speaker 3: of everyone. Drake May and Josh Allen snuck in at

732
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Speaker 3: the end, and then it's as if there is a

733
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Speaker 3: whole new season and amongst those three players, MVP just

734
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Speaker 3: becomes December Player of the Month. It's like, Okay, Stafford,

735
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Speaker 3: May and Allen, who has the best closing kick?

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Speaker 10: That guy's the MVP.

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Speaker 3: Because I am ten days removed for Matt Stafford throwing

738
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Speaker 3: for four point fifty and scoring thirty seven on maybe

739
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 3: the best team in the league, one of the best defenses.

740
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 3: We are seventeen or twenty days and fourteen days removed

741
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Speaker 3: from Drake May having the worst game of his season. Again,

742
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Speaker 3: he's had a great season, but against Buffalo in a

743
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 3: big spot, I think Drake is excellent. If I had

744
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 3: a ballot, he would be second on it. But what

745
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 3: bothers me about where I think the MVP race is

746
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 3: going is if you took all thirty two games. These

747
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 3: two guys have played sixteen each and rearranged the order randomly.

748
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Speaker 3: I think Stafford wins nine out of ten MVPs. But

749
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Speaker 3: because Drake May is finishing best and Stafford said one

750
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 3: of his worst games, he's gonna win it. I think

751
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 3: Stafford's been the best player this year.

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00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:19,359
Speaker 10: That's what I think.

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00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: Well, you've got a hit show that starts around the corner,

754
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,720
Speaker 1: and since we pushed you to like a co pilot,

755
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 1: I got to go.

756
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 10: I know it's unbelievable. I got the show.

757
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 3: I also have a very very demanding podcast boss that

758
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 3: demanded two episodes for me this morning.

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Speaker 10: I'm just working. I'm just working like crazy.

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Speaker 3: Happy Holidays, Colin, great to see you, brother, Merry Christmas,

761
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 3: Happy New Year.

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Speaker 1: All right, the super fun talented Nick Wright. First things first,

763
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: after our show, I am a very demanding boss. I

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Speaker 1: think you know j Mack knows that tittle to the medal.

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Speaker 1: So nice to have Rabel on today. You already sent

766
00:41:55,800 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 1: me a nice text. You nice guy. The the NBA

767
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 1: is interesting because I grew up. My first player I

768
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 1: love was doctor J and I was reading an article

769
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:12,800
Speaker 1: today about Peter Vessey retirement and it was great, great

770
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 1: article about you know, covering all these old NBA stars,

771
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 1: And the NBA has always been a sport, like the

772
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: style matters, like culture style. I mean, like Walt Frasier,

773
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 1: the way he dressed everything. But you know, Walton was

774
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 1: against authority, Like that's football is really not about that.

775
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: Football is about winning games. But at the quarterback position,

776
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 1: it's just it's funny. Now you can go to the

777
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 1: very end of Tom Brady in New England and I

778
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: swear at Seth Wickersham, great writer. There were writing articles

779
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: at the end of the Brady run and there were

780
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 1: sources in the buildings saying, you know a lot of

781
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:55,280
Speaker 1: guys could win here. And I'm like, all right, Cam tried,

782
00:42:55,400 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 1: Mac triede Garoppolo tried. Not winning nearly as much. It's

783
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: it's and then there's the divorce Belichick Brady and you

784
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 1: look and you're like, yeah, Tom was about seventy five

785
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 1: percent of it, probably that maybe sixty five. He was

786
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:14,839
Speaker 1: the greater part of it. But like Drake May's game

787
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 1: is so efficient and it's it's not boring. Boring is

788
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: the wrong word, but it's just so efficient. It doesn't

789
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 1: jump through the television. He just completes passes, one after

790
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 1: another after another, and he's very good against the blitz,

791
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: which young quarterbacks generally are awful against the blitz. So

792
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 1: he doesn't get into trouble. He's not running for his life.

793
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 1: So much of Drake May is pre snap, getting out

794
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 1: of trouble and completing seven out of ten throws. Meet

795
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 1: Tom Brady with movement out of pocket, movement,