Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
Speaker 2: What's up everybody? Welcome to move the stacks, DJ, Bucky
Speaker 2: Rhett with you. As we look back at a I
Speaker 2: would say, interesting slate of week ten games. Buck, How
Speaker 2: are you doing today?
Speaker 1: Man? Man, I'm great, I am great. Just getting back
Speaker 1: from Jacksonville. It was a fun field football festival on
Speaker 1: Sunday watching them all to the vikings. So I can't
Speaker 1: wait to comment all about it.
Speaker 2: No, Indiana have forret today.
Speaker 3: By the way, We're on a byeway next week, so
Speaker 3: start on a bye week. So yeah, ten and zero.
Speaker 3: Just feeling feeling good and we'll bring that. We'll bring
Speaker 3: that back ahead of Ohio State week, don't you worry.
Speaker 4: I will say this the if we you know, the
Speaker 4: the late Windows slate needs to take a page out
Speaker 4: of the Early Windows Slate's book. I mean, because well
Speaker 4: it was kind of a snoozer there with those late
Speaker 4: afternoon games, but the early window we had five of
Speaker 4: seven games decided by one score and then six if
Speaker 4: you go back to the ot thriller in Munich, right
Speaker 4: with the Giants and Panthers and all of a sudden,
Speaker 4: Bryce Young's a winner and back to back weeks like
Speaker 4: let's go.
Speaker 3: We've got a week here.
Speaker 1: Boy.
Speaker 2: By the way, great incentive for folks to stick around
Speaker 2: for the end of the show because that'll be the
Speaker 2: last game we talked about Giants Panthers. Let's start off
Speaker 2: at the first game we're gonna get into, which is
Speaker 2: Detroit Houston the Sunday Night or the Turnover Fest.
Speaker 1: Buck.
Speaker 2: I got a chance to the second half of this one.
Speaker 2: I was actually called me when I was driving home
Speaker 2: and we were talking about all the turnovers that were
Speaker 2: taking place in this game. I mean, I think we
Speaker 2: start there. It's a gritty, gutty win for the Lions.
Speaker 2: But just your take on all the mishaps in this one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, I'm glad that during my Misseason Awards I
Speaker 1: didn't go too hard for Jered Goff being MVP because
Speaker 1: the five interception turnover Fests just kind of crushed that.
Speaker 1: The visual the optics of seeing him turn the ball
Speaker 1: over time and time again certainly won't help him when
Speaker 1: it comes to that, but I think what it does
Speaker 1: for us is it allows us to see how good
Speaker 1: the Lions are. You talk about interceptions from your franchise quarterback.
Speaker 1: And even though one of those was a hail mary,
Speaker 1: most teams can't overcome that. The fact that they were
Speaker 1: able to do it and really do it in resounding
Speaker 1: fashion in the second half. That only speaks about the
Speaker 1: grit and the resiliency and all the toughness that we
Speaker 1: talked about with the Lions, but their ability to bounce back,
Speaker 1: find different ways on offense to create scoring opportunities, and
Speaker 1: then their defense being able to step it, step up,
Speaker 1: and step it up. Man, this team has all the
Speaker 1: makings of being the best team in the league.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and again, major credit to them for holding on, right,
Speaker 4: for just holding on every time felt like you know
Speaker 4: you might find something. Bang, another turnover happened, and look,
Speaker 4: two of them were tips, right, and one was a
Speaker 4: hail mary. But still seeing that number is shocking, right,
Speaker 4: It's shocking to see a quarterback that had been the
Speaker 4: most efficient quarterback in football all of a sudden start
Speaker 4: turning it over that way. I mean, I think the
Speaker 4: last one was probably the worst one that he was
Speaker 4: trying to throw to Jamison Williams that ends up getting
Speaker 4: caught way downfield.
Speaker 3: But the thing that I'm I'm moost.
Speaker 4: Curious about is is where this this Texans offense has gone.
Speaker 4: Where the consistency has gone there? And I get it.
Speaker 4: They've had receivers kind of shuffling in and out of
Speaker 4: the lineup. Thought maybe Nico Collins was going to be
Speaker 4: back this week. I couldn't quite get activated with the
Speaker 4: hamstring injury. You know, Stephan Diggs now out for the year.
Speaker 4: But I think the one thing that's kind of interesting
Speaker 4: to me is just how much this Texans team needs
Speaker 4: the run game to find success this year, which wasn't
Speaker 4: necessarily the case. I mean, like they got a good
Speaker 4: year at a Devin Singletary year ago. Man Joe Mixon
Speaker 4: was bottled up in this game. Alee McNeil was fantastic
Speaker 4: on the interior, he was in the backfield all day long,
Speaker 4: but they couldn't get Joe Mixon going, and so then
Speaker 4: it just felt like the whole thing was out of sync.
Speaker 3: And CJ.
Speaker 4: Straw was under pressure a bunch as he has been
Speaker 4: this season. So they got to figure some things out
Speaker 4: here on offense for the Houston Texans team.
Speaker 2: This one's for Rhett Buck because Rhett loves it when
Speaker 2: I take lyrics of songs and adapt them to the NFL,
Speaker 2: and I'm watching watch and the cutups from that, and
Speaker 2: all I could think of was, Laremie missed and pass
Speaker 2: pro today.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, J yeah, I gotcha.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I mean, thank you, thank you. I
Speaker 2: just needed the curus left. You were in high school? Uh?
Speaker 2: What happened to Laramie Tunsel? Right? This is your team
Speaker 2: that you follow, You've got this is the family affair?
Speaker 2: What the heck happened to him? He was one of
Speaker 2: the best tackles in the NFL.
Speaker 4: So he's definitely been nicked up this year. I don't
Speaker 4: know how bad it's been. I don't know how much
Speaker 4: of it is is a product of what we're seeing
Speaker 4: out on the field right now. But when your best
Speaker 4: guy is having struggles the way that that Tunsil is,
Speaker 4: it certainly filters through. And they made some changes along
Speaker 4: the offensive line, moved Juice Scrugs over the left guard.
Speaker 3: And then it made a change at center there.
Speaker 4: Too, So they've had trouble across the board, it's felt
Speaker 4: like at different times throughout this season, along the offensive line.
Speaker 4: But that is a that is a that is probably
Speaker 4: the most alarming thing, is right when a player like
Speaker 4: that is a big piece of the struggles a mirror
Speaker 4: when CJ. Stroud can't just can't you know, can't count
Speaker 4: on it, right, that's trouble.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not good. But again, Gutsy went I. I
Speaker 2: was glad you guys mentioned the makeup of those interceptions
Speaker 2: as someone who I'm quite certain still holds the San
Speaker 2: Diego County record for interceptions in one ball game. Six.
Speaker 2: By the way, if you're if you're counting at home,
Speaker 2: how do you have five or six interception games? Here's
Speaker 2: how you have them. You have them as I did,
Speaker 2: which was like an interception on a Hailmary at the
Speaker 2: end of the half, a fourth and fourth and goal
Speaker 2: interception at the end of the game, a couple tips
Speaker 2: like they start adding up when all that weird stuff
Speaker 2: starts happening. It wasn't quite as bad when I watch
Speaker 2: the golf cutups as I thought it might be, just
Speaker 2: looking at the stat line. And then he made the
Speaker 2: throws at the end of the game when they needed
Speaker 2: so a big win for the Detroit Lions. Uh, let's
Speaker 2: stay you know, I think about Detroit in the NFC,
Speaker 2: A team that's that's not far behind them on their
Speaker 2: heels is Philly, who's playing really good ball right now
Speaker 2: against the Dallas Cowboys team that I don't know that
Speaker 2: we need to spend enough time. I think we already
Speaker 2: had a funeral for them. I don't really care to
Speaker 2: even Yeah.
Speaker 3: Some cowboys on there, misery loves company.
Speaker 2: It's over, So we don't need to talk much on
Speaker 2: that side of it. But I do want to talk
Speaker 2: on the on the Philly side of it, and Buck,
Speaker 2: I'll get over to you on this one. Hurts seven carries,
Speaker 2: fifty six yards, two touchdowns.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I just think this is like an underappreciated thing in
Speaker 2: the NFL right now. Derrick Henry is the only runner
Speaker 2: in the NFL with more touchdowns this year than Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 2: He's got ten touchdowns. He's going to put up fifteen
Speaker 2: rushing touchdowns every single year. And if we're gonna you know,
Speaker 2: you go and look at him. There's third and two
Speaker 2: scramble first down in this game. You know, I just
Speaker 2: get the push push, you get a scramble with Lane
Speaker 2: being able to clear some space for him and gets
Speaker 2: a nice run. They run QB power in the red
Speaker 2: zone like it is a major asset to have a
Speaker 2: quarterback that you can do this with. It feels like
Speaker 2: as a high school coach and when I wanted to
Speaker 2: actually this buck they can kind of play a high
Speaker 2: school brand of football with Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 1: They absolutely can. And I give them credit because Kellen
Speaker 1: Moore has I would say, evolved Jalen hurts game even
Speaker 1: more when you think about when he first kind of
Speaker 1: rose to prominence, it was really in the collegiate system.
Speaker 1: They're running quarterback powers and counters and those things. We're
Speaker 1: seeing less of that and more of the traditional pro
Speaker 1: style offense with a smattering of Jalen Hurst's special plays
Speaker 1: mixed in there. But this offense has so many weapons.
Speaker 1: They have so much firepower. You think about Barkley, the
Speaker 1: two wide receivers on the outside, AJ Brown and Devonte Smith.
Speaker 1: Dallas gotta get to control of the middle offensive line.
Speaker 1: They really can win in a variety of ways. And
Speaker 1: I know we've kind of penciled in the Detroit Lions
Speaker 1: as the class of the NFC, but as this team
Speaker 1: is trending, by season's in, we might be talking about
Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Eagles being the best team in the NFC
Speaker 1: and the team that's most likely to challenge in the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl because they have all the piece of theopozzals,
Speaker 1: particularly on offense.
Speaker 4: This is how they did it right, This is this
Speaker 4: was their blueprint two years ago. Right, they were a
Speaker 4: grinded out, I mean, not so grinding. They could still make,
Speaker 4: you know, make their head in the pass game, but
Speaker 4: like they were definitely you know, finding production on the
Speaker 4: ground one hundred and eighty seven yards in this game.
Speaker 3: You know, hert said fifty six of them, as you mentioned, DJ,
Speaker 3: but Saquon.
Speaker 4: Barkley still does his part with sixty six and I
Speaker 4: just feel like that gives them so much more.
Speaker 3: A wider pathway right to victory.
Speaker 4: And it just feels like it with these Nick Sirianni
Speaker 4: teams when they found success early in his tenure there
Speaker 4: in Philly, they were a force to be reckoned with
Speaker 4: on the ground. Saquon Barkley has brought that back. And
Speaker 4: then Jalen Hurts with that piece. I mean, the fact
Speaker 4: that he's got ten touchdowns this year to count on,
Speaker 4: you know, sixty points from your quarterback on the ground
Speaker 4: over the course of the first ten games is a
Speaker 4: pretty good deal right there. And obviously still a lot
Speaker 4: left to go here, So that piece of it I
Speaker 4: think is big. I think on the flip side, you know,
Speaker 4: also coming back to you on this DJ with the Cowboys,
Speaker 4: you know, Michael Parsons, you know you had the Ceedee
Speaker 4: Lambs Sunshine issue with the windows. You had Michael Parsons
Speaker 4: kind of saying, you know, I played for Zach Martin,
Speaker 4: not necessarily for Mike McCarthy. I know, we're not gonna
Speaker 4: spend a lot of time on the Cowboys.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 4: It is like everywhere you look, there's a problem, quarterback, problem,
Speaker 4: head coach, problem, star players, you know, with comments that way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, problem, Yeah. I don't know how you come back
Speaker 3: from that.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: I was just brought back to a conversation I had
Speaker 2: just kind of milling around the team out there at
Speaker 2: training camp and talking to some folks, you know, some
Speaker 2: inside the organization and others just that are dialed in
Speaker 2: with the team out of training camp, and a theme
Speaker 2: kind of emerged because if you remember, at that time,
Speaker 2: we have no Dak Prescott deal, Ceedee Lamb's not there,
Speaker 2: and then there's the Mica contract that's kind of looming,
Speaker 2: and it came up in conversation with everyone. It was
Speaker 2: pretty consistent they'll get Dack done. That'll happen. They're not
Speaker 2: going to let Dak leave. He'll get that done. Ceedee lamb.
Speaker 2: That's that's just a matter of time. They'll figure that out.
Speaker 2: And Micah Parsons I got a lot of that's interesting.
Speaker 2: I will see. We'll see on that one, you know.
Speaker 2: And I was just kind of like, I mean, this
Speaker 2: is a darn good player, but I don't know, you know,
Speaker 2: it's it's it's getting to the point now where where
Speaker 2: this team is this year, they have to make the
Speaker 2: decision and and Buck, you can put a bow on
Speaker 2: this for us, and I think that we would all
Speaker 2: agree it's probably going to be it for Mike McCarthy
Speaker 2: after this year's over. That's why I don't really want
Speaker 2: to spend much time on what you know, players and
Speaker 2: Mike or wherever. Think of Mike McCarthy. I think that's over.
Speaker 2: But what is going to be the next step for
Speaker 2: them is what's the real Cowboys? Is it the team
Speaker 2: that's that's had these twelve win seasons or did they
Speaker 2: fall off the cliff? And this is where they are
Speaker 2: in reality right now? This team, So are we going
Speaker 2: to sell off some assets and maybe try and go
Speaker 2: to the bottom to get back up to the time.
Speaker 2: Are we just are we going to be arrogant and
Speaker 2: say we're the Dallas Cowboys. We don't ever do that,
Speaker 2: and we're just gonna pretend everything's fine. We get right
Speaker 2: back up to being a double digit winning team next
Speaker 2: year with a different coach. I mean, that's the decision
Speaker 2: they've got to make. Buck.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the decision they have to make is not only
Speaker 1: like personnel wise, I think before you even do that,
Speaker 1: I think you got to figure out what is the
Speaker 1: culture of this team. And I know that's the buzzword
Speaker 1: that people get tired of. It is thrown out there.
Speaker 1: But honestly, Michael Parsons gave exhibit A on bad culture
Speaker 1: because some of those comments they should be internal. They
Speaker 1: should never hit our ears when you're talking about what
Speaker 1: you think about your coach, what you think about winning
Speaker 1: for your teammates, and those things. Because what he did
Speaker 1: is he basically just smudged all the things that Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy has accomplished throughout his career. In his time in Dallas.
Speaker 1: You talked about three twelve wins seasons DJ last year.
Speaker 1: We can go back and look, they probably overachieved to
Speaker 1: get the twelve wins and we can talk about the
Speaker 1: debacle that was the playoffs. I don't know how good
Speaker 1: this team is, but for Micah Parsons, the big thing
Speaker 1: is when the next coach or the next whoever's in
Speaker 1: charge comes in, they gotta determine is the juice worth
Speaker 1: the squeeze. He's a phenomenal player, but he's also, in
Speaker 1: my mind, a distracted player when you think about the
Speaker 1: podcast and all the other stuff that's kind of around him.
Speaker 1: Everybody loves the personality. Everybody can respect outspokenness, but when
Speaker 1: it comes at the expense of the team, it's problematic.
Speaker 1: The Cowboys have to decide who they are and they
Speaker 1: have to build it from inside out. When it comes
Speaker 1: to the culture, then find the players that fit that.
Speaker 1: We'll see if number eleven is a big fit. I
Speaker 1: love the production. I just don't know if it's some
Speaker 1: stuff you can build around.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna get to I'm gonna tease the conversation
Speaker 2: we're gonna have coming up a little bit later on,
Speaker 2: because I do. We're gonna look at one team that's
Speaker 2: got a collective pass rush, and it got me thinking,
Speaker 2: and it's an interesting conversation, talk about these elite, elite,
Speaker 2: elite guys, these elite individual players. A lot of teams
Speaker 2: in this league are winning with a collection of good
Speaker 2: and not an individual great. I want to have that
Speaker 2: conversation later, which you know, we'll kind of pick up
Speaker 2: where we left off here. All right, let's flush this conversation.
Speaker 2: Let's get to another game here with them, since and
Speaker 2: the new coach.
Speaker 1: I know where you're going.
Speaker 2: I decide what we're talking about. I don't want to
Speaker 2: talk about that. I had too. Twenty to seventeen the
Speaker 2: Saints team that I had seen in person, that will
Speaker 2: look terrible. I mean, I've seen some bad teams this
Speaker 2: year in person, and I'm sure Bucky has as well.
Speaker 2: But uh man, that's that's a good win for them
Speaker 2: against the Atlanta Falcons twenty to seventeen. Derek Carr as
Speaker 2: an efficient day, plays well, they get Darren Rizzio wins,
Speaker 2: so good, good story for him, good for for that team,
Speaker 2: that organization. After you know, kind of what's been a
Speaker 2: tumultuous a few weeks here as they've been playing some
Speaker 2: some rough ball RTT. I want to get to you
Speaker 2: on the Saints side of things. But before we do that,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna give you my first saucy now
Speaker 2: a right, ready, we're ready for a saucy no, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: Atlanta Falcons, guys, what is the same conversation we have
Speaker 2: with this team every single spring we do draft shows together.
Speaker 2: We've been doing them together for us forever. We have
Speaker 2: passh okay, okas, I'm just curious, curious and this one
Speaker 2: buck They had zero sacks in this game. Oh okay, interesting,
Speaker 2: how are you out this year? Nine? Oh, they've got
Speaker 2: nine sacks and we're in week ten of the season.
Speaker 2: Grady Jarrett Rhett is leading them with two and a
Speaker 2: half sacks. Matt Judon has one and a half. It
Speaker 2: is amazing to me. This might be the I don't
Speaker 2: know if a team that's had a specific issue non
Speaker 2: quarterback related, that they have been unable to solve, like
Speaker 2: the Atlanta Falcons in this past rush. It is bizarre
Speaker 2: to me that they can't figure that out.
Speaker 3: Rhet that's right. What was it two years ago?
Speaker 4: Went and got Arnold Wakatie out of Penn State in
Speaker 4: the second round. Man, you gotta go back to Vic Beasley.
Speaker 4: You know who has a one year wonder out of
Speaker 4: Clenson as a first round pick. Was that almost ten
Speaker 4: years ago now, and it's been a problem ever since.
Speaker 4: And I mean, look, give the credit for going trying
Speaker 4: to go get met Judon and make happened. I mean,
Speaker 4: they clearly understand the problem. But there needs to be
Speaker 4: a you know, a bigger fixed there, right. I mean
Speaker 4: I think you know, you could obviously look at this
Speaker 4: year's draft and say, yeah, sure Jared Verse would have helped,
Speaker 4: or sure Dallas Turner might have helped, or maybe lay
Speaker 4: out to a lot too, but you know, on yeah,
Speaker 4: but keep.
Speaker 3: Moving on on that one.
Speaker 4: But they decided to go, you know, for the future
Speaker 4: a quarterback, and certainly understand that that line.
Speaker 3: Of thinking as well.
Speaker 4: But for the present day Atlanta Falcons, pass rush is
Speaker 4: vital to them staying in the tournament, getting into the
Speaker 4: tournament and staying there and having a run Like it's
Speaker 4: just not gonna have it. If you can allow you know,
Speaker 4: Derek Carr to sit back there and find Mark Weisvaldez
Speaker 4: canting twice for touchdowns relatively unfettered, that that's just I
Speaker 4: don't know, I mean, you can't find it now, right,
Speaker 4: I mean we're gonna have to be talking about this
Speaker 4: again this spring.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's one thing that we can count on. Like
Speaker 1: the first in the fifteenth we go ahead to talk
Speaker 1: about that Falcons searching for a pass rush because this
Speaker 1: is what they're able to do, and it really doesn't
Speaker 1: matter how they try and fix it, reagency, the draft, trade,
Speaker 1: whatever it is, they haven't been able to get it done.
Speaker 1: But man, it's the most important part. When we talk
Speaker 1: about team building, we talk about quarterback, do we talk
Speaker 1: about pass rush, and you got to be able to
Speaker 1: throw it. You got to be able to close games out.
Speaker 1: Their inability to close games out with the pass rush
Speaker 1: has kept them from achieving what many would say is
Speaker 1: like a high sealing potential. I don't know where they
Speaker 1: go because Matt Juni can do so much, but nine
Speaker 1: sacks ten games that that's not good enough to get
Speaker 1: it done. And it'll never be good enough to get
Speaker 1: it done if you can't get back again.
Speaker 4: We You know, it's interesting too when you look at
Speaker 4: that because they also drafted Zach Harrison right out of
Speaker 4: Ohio State, who was a very highly recruited kid up
Speaker 4: at Ohio State. Never quite lived up to the billing
Speaker 4: as one of like the next edge rusher, Bucky. You
Speaker 4: talk about this a lot like sack production in college
Speaker 4: generally translates. Well, when you don't have sack production in college,
Speaker 4: you wonder does that also then translate. I mean, because
Speaker 4: I don't know that we've seen it there from that
Speaker 4: side either. That That's just one of those things to
Speaker 4: think about when we continue to evaluate players going into
Speaker 4: the draft this year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's I mean, death tax is in
Speaker 2: a spring talking about the Atlanta Falcons looking for a.
Speaker 1: Draft though it makes it easy.
Speaker 2: They're not going to take one. They're not going to
Speaker 2: take one, but put one in there and look at comments.
Speaker 2: Look at the comments in that mock draft aren't either
Speaker 2: like they're not taking it. They'll never they won't do anyways. Anyways,
Speaker 2: we're getting I just need to get the first one.
Speaker 2: The spring is the spring is a little bit off.
Speaker 2: Let's not get too carried away, all right, We've got
Speaker 2: plenty more to get to here. Let's be patient, let's
Speaker 2: pace ourselves. And that seems to be the theme for
Speaker 2: the Kansas City Chiefs. I don't know how, I just
Speaker 2: they find a way, They find a way to make
Speaker 2: a play the other team finds a way to not
Speaker 2: make play, but it is. It's pretty remarkable the way
Speaker 2: they were able to get to the finish line in
Speaker 2: this game sixteen to fourteen, A game that almost felt like,
Speaker 2: you know, keeping an eye on it. I was at
Speaker 2: the Charger game, put an eye on that game. I
Speaker 2: felt like, gosh, it looks like the whole game was
Speaker 2: being played on the chief side of the field. Like
Speaker 2: the Broncos were kind of dominating the game, but you
Speaker 2: got to kick to win it, and they can't protect,
Speaker 2: and the Chiefs make a play block to kick and
Speaker 2: they go on to win the football game. But Buck,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I guess the simplest way is winners win,
Speaker 2: losers lose. I mean, that's I don't know how else
Speaker 2: to describe that one.
Speaker 1: Look at you sounded like fifty I love it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It Ultimately, winners do find ways to win. And the
Speaker 1: Cansita Chiefs have been in voted by the fact that
Speaker 1: they've gone back to back, they've won three out of four.
Speaker 1: They know that if they play to the end, typically
Speaker 1: the other team implows and to me is very reminiscent
Speaker 1: of the pages and how the Patriots dominated for twenty years.
Speaker 1: It wasn't so much today made these exceptional plays is
Speaker 1: they were able to be consistent, and their consistent performance
Speaker 1: eventually translates to success. Great play at the end, though,
Speaker 1: I mean when you look at this play and the
Speaker 1: way it was broken down and how they created a
Speaker 1: two on one opportunity on the end, not the wing,
Speaker 1: but to go through there. It's the execution of things
Speaker 1: that they've probably been working on since training camp, but
Speaker 1: just doing them when it mattered the most. Just great resiliency,
Speaker 1: great belief, great confidence. And here's the crazy thing, the
Speaker 1: more that they pulled this off, the more that the
Speaker 1: rest of the team is looking over their shoulder at
Speaker 1: the end of the games waiting for them to make
Speaker 1: a play. There's something mystical and magical about what the
Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs are doing, and other teams only feed
Speaker 1: into it because they can't believe that this team is
Speaker 1: always right there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know, finding ways to win I think
Speaker 4: is obviously the key phrase here for the Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 4: I mean, they're down right, they're down fourteen to three
Speaker 4: in the second quarter, are going into the half, or rather,
Speaker 4: you know, as they come out of the second quarter there,
Speaker 4: and so like when you look at it, you look
Speaker 4: at the way in which they're finding, you know, ways
Speaker 4: to win it. Yes, Patrick Mahomes connected with Travis Kelce
Speaker 4: seventy six touchdown ties Tony Gonzalez most all time franchise distrue,
Speaker 4: but then missed, you know, on a chance to go
Speaker 4: up by a touchdown at the end of the game,
Speaker 4: in which allowed the Broncos the opportunity to come down
Speaker 4: and kickwoo would have been a game winning field goal.
Speaker 3: But again, like they held the Broncos scoreless.
Speaker 4: In the second half, this team just plays complimentary football
Speaker 4: and like we talk about that a lot offense. Defense,
Speaker 4: you throw special teams in there when you're blocking kicks
Speaker 4: that way, man, especially chip shots.
Speaker 3: Like that thirty five yarders glorified extra point.
Speaker 4: So I just think, you know, yeah, you do understand
Speaker 4: what it takes to win football games. This team knows
Speaker 4: that better than anybody, and they keep showing up and
Speaker 4: showing you know that there are numerous ways that they
Speaker 4: can do it, and credit to them, and you know
Speaker 4: they'll keep it rolling, you know, until somebody could find
Speaker 4: a way.
Speaker 3: But right now, man, the Chiefs team is pretty dam impressive.
Speaker 2: Now We've made those comps with the early Patriots Super
Speaker 2: Bowl teams with this version of the Chiefs like a bunch.
Speaker 2: So you have twenty eight completions for Mahomes in this game,
Speaker 2: twenty to running backs and tight ends, twenty at the
Speaker 2: twenty eight the tight ends and running backs like it
Speaker 2: is a check down fest. It is a you know
Speaker 2: play it for you know field position, and it is
Speaker 2: bizarre how this team is doing it. I mean, I
Speaker 2: give Andy Reid all the credit in the world. He's
Speaker 2: not chasing stats, he's chasing wins, and they're figuring out
Speaker 2: a formula to get it done. I do want to
Speaker 2: give bo Nick some love on the other side of it.
Speaker 2: Went through and watched him this morning and on the
Speaker 2: heels and we'll get to the Chicago mess in a
Speaker 2: little bit. But you know, watching that back to back
Speaker 2: with with Caleb Williams, there's a confidence in trusting what
Speaker 2: he's seeing with Bonix, and I think he's in a
Speaker 2: good place With Sean Payton, He's attacking when he can attack.
Speaker 2: There's his feeder in the ground. He doesn't look as
Speaker 2: jittery as when I saw him in person a month ago.
Speaker 2: He's getting more confident and more comfortable, and the ball's
Speaker 2: coming out well and he's making plays, so I'd be encouraged.
Speaker 2: I know they're five and five and disappointed they didn't
Speaker 2: get that kick to win this game, But on a
Speaker 2: big picture scale, I think you're seeing Bonnix just get
Speaker 2: better and better, which is a great sign for Denver
Speaker 2: and it's a great sign for their future. So some
Speaker 2: good news there for the Denver Broncos. Let's keep going
Speaker 2: through the AFC. If we're going to have the Chiefs
Speaker 2: is the favorite right now, I think Buffalo's right behind them. Guys.
Speaker 2: Buffalo gets a win over Indy Buckets thirty to twenty.
Speaker 2: It's the best start to season since nineteen ninety three.
Speaker 2: Were you on that team? You weren't on that team,
Speaker 2: buck What year were you there?
Speaker 1: It was you before he got the ninety four four.
Speaker 2: Yes, I knew I was right around your time. I
Speaker 2: know that I was right around your time. But this
Speaker 2: is where I want to have this discussion. We can
Speaker 2: get into this game if you want to, but I
Speaker 2: thought this was a more fascinating discussion. I was going
Speaker 2: through and watching all their pressures this morning. Von Miller
Speaker 2: is doing his thing you've got Oliver on the inside.
Speaker 2: He's getting pressure. Greg Orusso is playing his butt off.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think he's got maybe five and a
Speaker 2: half sacks or some of his pressure reel every week.
Speaker 2: He's just getting all kinds of pressure. Epanessa has been
Speaker 2: really good. Da Kwan Jones was getting some pressure inside.
Speaker 2: And that's where what I was alluding to earlier, Buck,
Speaker 2: which is, you know, I see Max Crosby's unbelievable, but
Speaker 2: their team's not very good right now. Miles Garrett is
Speaker 2: a freak. Their team's not very good right now. But
Speaker 2: when I look at teams like Kansas City and not,
Speaker 2: Chris Jones is great, but that is a still they
Speaker 2: all kind of do their part in that front with
Speaker 2: those guys you think about here with the Buffalo Bills,
Speaker 2: all those names that I just mentioned Detroit now, especially
Speaker 2: without Aiden Hutchinson there, that's going to be a collective
Speaker 2: group effort. You can look around at a lot of
Speaker 2: these top teams. The Philadelphia Eagles have just a bunch
Speaker 2: of different guys that can kind of win inside and outside.
Speaker 2: There's no like central focal point is what I'm getting at,
Speaker 2: And I just wonder if it's like we used to
Speaker 2: say with the offensive line, you're as strong as your
Speaker 2: weakest link. You'd rather have five goods than you know,
Speaker 2: one great, a couple of averages in a bad I
Speaker 2: think we could almost almost have that same conversation on
Speaker 2: the defensive front right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So it sounds like you would rather have a
Speaker 1: bunch of b's and B pluses than one A or
Speaker 1: A plus on that front line. And what the Buffalo
Speaker 1: Bills are doing is they are wearing you down in waves.
Speaker 1: And it's funny because it's not only them you talked
Speaker 1: about some of the other teams. I think it was
Speaker 1: also probably some of the motivation for the Pittsburgh still
Speaker 1: is to go and get Preston Smith to complete a
Speaker 1: rotation that they had. I mean, and that's not like
Speaker 1: that like TJ.
Speaker 2: Watt's unbelievable, But that's Cam Hayward, that's TJ. Watt, that's
Speaker 2: high Smith. Now you throw it like yeah, like these
Speaker 2: teams that are good have more than one guy that
Speaker 2: can do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they have more than one pitch of the thing.
Speaker 1: And so the Buffalo Bills are interesting because I think
Speaker 1: they've leaned all the way into the blue collar mentality
Speaker 1: of the city. This is a blue collar team. Sean
Speaker 1: McDermott back against the wall, people were talking about, hey, man,
Speaker 1: if they don't get this done, like, hey, how much
Speaker 1: longer on this McDermott thing. And I think they've just
Speaker 1: put the nose to the grindstone, found a way to
Speaker 1: just outwork and wear people down. And here you are
Speaker 1: talking about the Buffalo Bills, putting them their best record
Speaker 1: since ninety three. Nobody had this on the BEINGO card
Speaker 1: that the Bills would be this good. But pass off
Speaker 1: to them, and you're right, this black Commedy situation with
Speaker 1: their pass rush has certainly helped him become one the
Speaker 1: dominant teams in the AFC.
Speaker 3: And then just taking a quick look at what the
Speaker 3: Colts are doing.
Speaker 4: You know, the Texans keep are keeping the teams in
Speaker 4: it right there, and the keeping the Colts in it
Speaker 4: in the AFC South. You know, the Colts are sitting
Speaker 4: there four and six, they're only two games back. But
Speaker 4: at what point are you going to look at this
Speaker 4: thing and say, Okay, you know, Joe Flacco is not
Speaker 4: giving us what we thought he was going to give us,
Speaker 4: and how long can we stick with that? And now
Speaker 4: we're YoY going back and forth quarterbacks here and in
Speaker 4: a way in which we have a chance to be
Speaker 4: competitive and find ourselves in a playoff spot.
Speaker 3: But we're kind of going back and forth on the quarterback.
Speaker 4: Look there, there's team commit at least until Shane Stiken
Speaker 4: says so that Joe Flacco is going to be the quarterback.
Speaker 4: I mean, are you confident that they can get it
Speaker 4: turned around? You know, helping Michael Pittman's back out there.
Speaker 4: You know they can get some guys healthy there too.
Speaker 4: But man, you can't keep turning and over and expect
Speaker 4: to stay competitive as you go down the stretch here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I haven't they been swept by Houston?
Speaker 1: And I make that up.
Speaker 2: The Colts. Have they played them twice already or just
Speaker 2: once already? Yeah, they were, they were swept. They got
Speaker 2: swept by them. So that's a three game lead, So
Speaker 2: it's they still got a long way to a long
Speaker 2: way to guns with that. To put it to kind
Speaker 2: of put a bow though, I'll give you a little
Speaker 2: saucy nug to wrap up a buffalo INDI here we
Speaker 2: talked about earlier. The Falcons have nine sacks this season.
Speaker 2: The Bills have twelve players with at least a sack.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's uh, that's pretty nuts. They are
Speaker 2: getting home with a lot of different players, so they're
Speaker 2: doing a great job as a collective pass. Rush Buck.
Speaker 2: You you mentioned there with Pittsburgh Washington, uh, talking about
Speaker 2: the Steelers things, Rhett, is there anything you would add
Speaker 2: on this game that, you know, look, the Steelers end
Speaker 2: up getting a twenty eight twenty seven win, anything else
Speaker 2: besides obviously what we're talking about.
Speaker 4: Right, Tomlin cooking, like Tomlin cooking, I mean, like just
Speaker 4: you know, obviously the decision to put Russell Wilson in
Speaker 4: while your team was winning, you know, obviously still looms large.
Speaker 4: He's undefeated as a starting quarterback. The one thing that
Speaker 4: we talked about here on the move the sticks pod,
Speaker 4: right was you know, the moon ball from Russell to
Speaker 4: Mike Williams. And sure enough his first catches a Steelers
Speaker 4: exactly in Morner in.
Speaker 3: A big in a big spot for Pittsburgh. I mean,
Speaker 3: take your victory lap on that one. But there it is.
Speaker 4: Bang, you know, got that done. And then you know,
Speaker 4: like I loved his response to to all right, were
Speaker 4: you really going to go for it on fourth? And
Speaker 4: one at the end of the game. I guess we'll
Speaker 4: never know.
Speaker 2: But I don't know.
Speaker 4: I mean, that was you know, that was a you know,
Speaker 4: a head coach saying, hey, let's give it a shot. Man,
Speaker 4: let's just go try to draw them off sides. If
Speaker 4: it doesn't work, fine, we'll punt it away whatever. But
Speaker 4: then it does work. And Neil vegga genius and poor
Speaker 4: rookie Jerson Newton, you know, that's a tough one. That's
Speaker 4: a tough spot. He knew right away, obviously everybody did.
Speaker 4: They're all laughing the Steelers like.
Speaker 1: We got it.
Speaker 3: I think they might have gone for it. I don't know.
Speaker 4: I just this Steelers team feels like, you know, they're
Speaker 4: they're almost like they're a little bit less explosive, but
Speaker 4: they're kind of like the AFC version of the Lions.
Speaker 4: You know, They've got some of that grit to it,
Speaker 4: some of that toughness. They find ways to win there
Speaker 4: and they're getting it done. So credit to Mike Tomlin.
Speaker 1: Yeah, credit to Mike Tomlin. But let's credit him for
Speaker 1: the quarterback decision that all of us were like, man,
Speaker 1: why change it was such a good thing. Going with
Speaker 1: Justin Fields but Russell Wilson has already and I saw
Speaker 1: this like I mean, it won't be a saucy nug,
Speaker 1: but I put it out there. They're already saying that
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson has more touchdown passes than any quarterback it
Speaker 1: has been Roethlisberger retired in three games, he has more
Speaker 1: than every other quarterback that is played a position. But
Speaker 1: the stillers is big Ben retired. That's bananas in three
Speaker 1: games that he's already done that. And when you look
Speaker 1: at the Stellers offense with him at quarterback, the deep
Speaker 1: ball has come back. I see a happier George Pickens,
Speaker 1: I see Mike Williams making dramatic catches, and it's opened
Speaker 1: up this offense in a way that it wasn't wide
Speaker 1: open with Justin Fields. Credit to Mike Tomlin for being
Speaker 1: a coach who was not afraid to step into I
Speaker 1: would say a controversial decision, but it appears that has
Speaker 1: made his team a team that went from being a
Speaker 1: playoff contender. Maybe they're able to push and go a
Speaker 1: little deeper into postseason because they got a quarterback they
Speaker 1: can close games out in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 2: Somebody that has that has more time can go through
Speaker 2: this whole thing. But it would be fun to compare
Speaker 2: this iteration of the Steelers to the old one, because
Speaker 2: I'm already thinking, off the top of my head, you've
Speaker 2: got big Ben, little Russ, so we can start right there.
Speaker 2: You can also that come with You've got you've got
Speaker 2: angry Harrison, happy Watt. Like there's there's a there's like
Speaker 2: a lot of guys at these same positions that might
Speaker 2: come in different shape, sizes, personalities, but they're all like
Speaker 2: the DNA is still the same. It was what we
Speaker 2: said about was what we said about with Russ when
Speaker 2: he went to Pittsburgh, was like, yeah, this is this
Speaker 2: is when they're good. It's it's it's a defense, it's
Speaker 2: controlling the game and then when Ben needs to make
Speaker 2: two or three Ben plays, he makes those plays, but
Speaker 2: win the game. This is what's exactly what Russ is doing.
Speaker 2: It's the exact same formula for those great Steeler teams.
Speaker 2: And I don't think anybody I mean, I know people
Speaker 2: have talked about the quarterback thing, but I just feel
Speaker 2: like we're talking about Super Bowl contenders and who are
Speaker 2: the top teams? Like I don't even think people even
Speaker 2: mention this team, and I know when I've saw him,
Speaker 2: I saw him up close in seeing them in person
Speaker 2: this year. I buck have the Jags played the Steelers
Speaker 2: this year?
Speaker 1: Uh No, thank good? Okay.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just telling you when you go out
Speaker 2: there and then you look onto the field and you
Speaker 2: see high Smith, and then you see T. J. Watt,
Speaker 2: and then you see Cam Hayward and then they've got
Speaker 2: her big like they're they're a count of bent. Was
Speaker 2: their nightmare to block man?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: They are really good up front.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think the thing about the still is they
Speaker 1: know who they are now, and I think and knowing
Speaker 1: who they are, they understand how to play to their identity.
Speaker 1: And it's that pretty. It's not sexy, it doesn't get
Speaker 1: a lot of clicks, but it's one of the ways
Speaker 1: that they are able to consistently win. They play to
Speaker 1: their strengths and they don't worry about what it looks
Speaker 1: like on the outside.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, it's one hundred percent of who they are.
Speaker 2: All right, Let's let's swing back over to the NFC
Speaker 2: San Francisco Tampa Bay A good game, right was referencing
Speaker 2: all these good games earlier in that early early window
Speaker 2: here twenty three to twenty the Niners end up getting
Speaker 2: a win. Now, look, I think you can find a
Speaker 2: lot to be encouraged about both sides of this thing.
Speaker 2: But I would think we buck don't. We have to
Speaker 2: give brock Purty some love first and foremost with the
Speaker 2: way he played in this ball game.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, you have to give him love because even though
Speaker 1: you know the return of CMC is going to be celebrated,
Speaker 1: and some other things that you talked about in the game,
Speaker 1: rock Purdy being able to kind of shake off some
Speaker 1: questionable performances of Lady to be able to play the
Speaker 1: way that he played. You talk about this guy being
Speaker 1: able to do it because everyone always thinks it's the
Speaker 1: supporting cast. It really makes him. But I think we
Speaker 1: have to acknowledge that Brock Pardy has some special stuff
Speaker 1: that worked within this offense, and when he plays the
Speaker 1: way that he played, this team can hang with anybody. Now,
Speaker 1: they got to fix the kicking situation because they can't
Speaker 1: keep missing multiple field goals and think that they're gonna
Speaker 1: win games. We also don't wanted to keep missing so
Speaker 1: Debo isn't throat playing long snapper. But if they can
Speaker 1: get that part together, the San Francisco forty nine and
Speaker 1: certainly our formidable foe if you have to face him
Speaker 1: in the early rounds of the playoffs.
Speaker 4: I think that throw is my favorite that we just
Speaker 4: saw down to Christian McCaffrey on the right sideline. There
Speaker 4: was just kind of rusher in his face, a little
Speaker 4: bit off balance. That's what those are, the kind of
Speaker 4: throws that make you go with Brock Purdy like, Okay, yeah, no,
Speaker 4: this is not just you know, wind him up in
Speaker 4: this offense and let him go like he is he
Speaker 4: is autonomous or you know, he not autonomous. He's able
Speaker 4: to kind of make some of these decisions, make these throws,
Speaker 4: these big.
Speaker 3: Time plays on his own. He got to give him
Speaker 3: credit for that.
Speaker 4: But the kicking thing was interesting to me, right, you know,
Speaker 4: none of these kicks were gimmis or not none of them,
Speaker 4: but most of them were, you know, deeper kicks in
Speaker 4: the forties fifty missed three of them. He was two
Speaker 4: for five when they sent him back out for the
Speaker 4: game winner, which was Jake Moody's.
Speaker 3: Sixth field goal of the day.
Speaker 4: And right before that, it was Debo there it is
Speaker 4: gonna yelling, hey, what are we doing? Here, like let's
Speaker 4: stop missing field goals and Taper Pepper the long snappers
Speaker 4: like you get talking to us that way like we're
Speaker 4: all due, we can here, we're trying to make it
Speaker 4: and maybe inadvertently that ended up refocusing the specialist outfie.
Speaker 3: Look at Debot take it two for one right there.
Speaker 4: Moody kind of caught the shrapnel off Pepper Pepper's chin,
Speaker 4: but you look it ended o moregon.
Speaker 3: I think they're no worse for the wear with it.
Speaker 4: And as Kyle Shanahan said, we'll go back to loving
Speaker 4: each other, you know when we get when we land,
Speaker 4: and if it's not already fixed, you know, now I'll
Speaker 4: go fix it on the plane. So I think this
Speaker 4: is kind of an interesting, you know, moment of reckoning
Speaker 4: for for the forty nine ers. They get McCaffrey back,
Speaker 4: they overcome some adversity, Purdy has a really nice game,
Speaker 4: and now let's see where this thing takes them in
Speaker 4: a very wild NFC West right Buck.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you know this, but Antoine Randall
Speaker 2: l which took a swipe at htt for him not
Speaker 2: having a perfect hold, you know, like that was that
Speaker 2: was one of the more one of more legendary plays
Speaker 2: in Indiana history before they want to this pain run
Speaker 2: right now?
Speaker 3: No, no, no, not not quite, not your area. It
Speaker 3: was I was, I was. I was red shirting at
Speaker 3: that point.
Speaker 4: So I was on the sideline watching Antoine Randall l
Speaker 4: juke everybody out of their socks.
Speaker 2: H They don't put up with that stuff with the
Speaker 2: specialist man. They don't know. You guys are not that
Speaker 2: practice the whole time. I mean, it's just, you know,
Speaker 2: it drives people nuts a little bit with that stuff.
Speaker 2: All right, well, there you go. That's a big win
Speaker 2: there for Jake Moody and the forty nine ers. All right, guys,
Speaker 2: New England Chicago. Two rookie quarterbacks, two quarterbacks headed in
Speaker 2: the opposite direction. Drake May was excellent in this game.
Speaker 2: The numbers don't blow you away. Fifteen to twenty five
Speaker 2: a buck eighty four with touchdown a pick, but really
Speaker 2: really made some big plays, showed poise, showed command. I
Speaker 2: just thought he looked like he's, you know, just continue
Speaker 2: to get better and better. Kayleb Williams sixteen for thirty
Speaker 2: a buck twenty and I want to start. Let's start
Speaker 2: on the Caleb side of things and we'll turn around
Speaker 2: and we'll give Drake his his love. I tweeted this
Speaker 2: out and Buck, I'll get your thoughts on it, but
Speaker 2: this was my This was my tweet that I fired
Speaker 2: off after I watched this stuff this morning. Biggest issue
Speaker 2: for Caleb Williams right now. He's playing tentative, he's not
Speaker 2: cutting it loose, he's trying too hard to avoid mistakes,
Speaker 2: and he's guiding the football. It's almost like it's been
Speaker 2: beat into him. Don't screw up. This ol isn't good.
Speaker 2: But that's a bigger problem right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, DJ, It's one of the things that
Speaker 1: I think too offense happens. We draft players and then
Speaker 1: we're trying to change them from who they are. Hyley
Speaker 1: Williams was always going to be a high risk player
Speaker 1: based on how you played at USC and the success
Speaker 1: that he's had. What you try to get him to
Speaker 1: do is to play with that same mindset, but just
Speaker 1: to make smarter decisions where you just don't make the
Speaker 1: egregious errors. But if you try to take someone who
Speaker 1: was a gunslinger like that and make him a game manager,
Speaker 1: you take away all of the special qualities that made
Speaker 1: them the number one overall pick. Now, some people will say, man,
Speaker 1: that's what happens when you have a defensive minded head
Speaker 1: coach that is in charge of a number one overall pick.
Speaker 1: But I don't think it's that. I think it's a
Speaker 1: conversation within the building. At some point, he has to
Speaker 1: understand where the boundaries are and you have to live
Speaker 1: through some of those mistakes to get to the other side.
Speaker 1: And for Kayleb Williams, you hope today able to do
Speaker 1: it with this regime, but it may be someone else
Speaker 1: who comes in there who teaches him how to toe
Speaker 1: the line without going to over the line and when
Speaker 1: he can risk it and when he needs a dollar back.
Speaker 1: Because that's especially Kayleb Williams that everyone fell in love
Speaker 1: with during a predive process.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think the you know, the way you
Speaker 4: see what you're talking about, DJ is just holding onto
Speaker 4: the football like trying to find the perfect throw right,
Speaker 4: You're trying to find just riggershot. And I was sitting
Speaker 4: next to you know, David Carr on an NFL game
Speaker 4: Day final last night. I feel like you're sitting there
Speaker 4: like itching his arm, like every time we showed the highlights,
Speaker 4: you know, just get sacked, sacked.
Speaker 3: Nine sacks in this game. Like that's not all on
Speaker 3: the offensive line.
Speaker 2: I get it.
Speaker 4: The only finish with six healthy offensive lineman Tevin Jenkins,
Speaker 4: you know, unfortunately seemingly goes down in every game and
Speaker 4: they're forced to shuffle the deck and there's no continuity
Speaker 4: up there, and there's no continuity in the way that
Speaker 4: the Caleb's playing.
Speaker 3: Like they we had that three.
Speaker 4: Week you know spell where we all right, maybe starting
Speaker 4: to kind of figure things out here, and then all
Speaker 4: of a sudden, we've just completely gone off the rails
Speaker 4: old in the football taking sacks and then when he
Speaker 4: does get it out, I mean, like you know, one
Speaker 4: hops the one to DJ Moore out on the side.
Speaker 4: It's just it's all contributing, right, They're all factors.
Speaker 2: DJ, Yeah, you can see it. I charted it. I mean,
Speaker 2: I thought there were three clear beats up front. So
Speaker 2: of all those sacks, they were clear. You got a
Speaker 2: personnel issue, you got beat up front, you take the sack.
Speaker 2: The others either there was a hot that was missed
Speaker 2: where they've got clearly they're sending more than you can block.
Speaker 2: You've got to get the ball to your hands. You
Speaker 2: have to have that awareness they're coming, and other ones
Speaker 2: are just him not letting it rip. You've got one
Speaker 2: on ones. You've got to let that thing go. And
Speaker 2: then when you talk about like some of the misses
Speaker 2: he has throws in this game, you can see him.
Speaker 2: There are instances where he lets it rip and you
Speaker 2: can watch it, and they'll be quarterback coaches that you
Speaker 2: know are going to be far more advanced than me
Speaker 2: on this stuff. And I know they all put out
Speaker 2: videos and you can watch them all, and I'm sure
Speaker 2: there's a lot of value there. I can tell you
Speaker 2: a simple thing just from scouting side of things. Fuck,
Speaker 2: his arm speed changes when you when you when you
Speaker 2: see somebody who's trying to be too fine, who doesn't
Speaker 2: want to make a mistake, they guide the ball and
Speaker 2: their arm speed slows down. He is a he's a whippy,
Speaker 2: explosive thrower. And there's there's a couple in this game
Speaker 2: where you'll see him. You'll see the ball come out
Speaker 2: and it's it's firm and it's on target. And then
Speaker 2: there's other times you see him just guide the ball.
Speaker 2: He's just slowing it down, trying to guide the ball,
Speaker 2: and he has no earthly idea where it's going when
Speaker 2: he does that. And it's sad to see a guy
Speaker 2: who's a natural thrower be so inside his head as
Speaker 2: he is right now, because that the way he's throwing
Speaker 2: the ball is not natural. That's not how he's always
Speaker 2: throwing the football. And instead of saying, you know, because
Speaker 2: we can look at the defensive coach side of things, well,
Speaker 2: the number two overall pick is with a defensive coach,
Speaker 2: he's doing great. The guy he played against in this game.
Speaker 2: The number three or overall picks are the defensive coach,
Speaker 2: and he's doing quite well. So you can't just say
Speaker 2: it's just a defensive coach. Now, I will see there's
Speaker 2: a difference between being a defensive coach and being a
Speaker 2: defensive dominant team, like we wouldn't think of New England
Speaker 2: right now personnel wise, and Washington is having great defenses,
Speaker 2: whereas in Chicago, I could see saying, hey, we have
Speaker 2: this unbelievable defense. Just don't screw it up, don't turn
Speaker 2: the ball over, take sacks, drives it ins and punts
Speaker 2: and kicks are good. We'll win games. Versus you know, hey,
Speaker 2: look we got to score points to win games. We're
Speaker 2: gonna live with whatever mistakes you make, but like, hey,
Speaker 2: we're not holding people to, you know, to ten points
Speaker 2: a game, So you go out there and do it.
Speaker 2: And I almost wish that, And I don't know this
Speaker 2: was the case, but I almost wish that if you're
Speaker 2: an eber Flus's shoes buck, if the mindset isn't hey,
Speaker 2: we got a great defense, you know what that means. Hey,
Speaker 2: if you see it rip, it takes some time. Yay,
Speaker 2: we'll turn the ball over our defense, we're gonna get
Speaker 2: a stop, we'll get off the field, we'll get you
Speaker 2: back out there. But like, we're going to live with
Speaker 2: some of that stuff because that's what makes you you.
Speaker 2: But be aggressive, be that type of guy. And I
Speaker 2: say that as someone who I've seen in Jim Harbaugh
Speaker 2: being around the Chargers Quinton Johnston. I've seen a player
Speaker 2: whose confidence was was very low last year, and I've
Speaker 2: seen a coach just speak confidence into this kid, and
Speaker 2: I've seen him get so much better and now it's
Speaker 2: it's like a totally different football player. And so I
Speaker 2: just I don't I'm anti don't screw up coaching. And
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's the case, but that's what
Speaker 2: it looks like from the outside.
Speaker 1: Okay, here's the case where subconsciously that message that subconstantly,
Speaker 1: that message maybe getting to Kaya Williams because you have
Speaker 1: Matt Eberflus is basically coaching for his job. If you
Speaker 1: have security, you know that you're gonna be around, you're
Speaker 1: more likely to encourage the young players to play through
Speaker 1: those mistakes. But when you are on the last year
Speaker 1: of your deal and the results are everything, it's hard
Speaker 1: to be process oriented, even though you may want to
Speaker 1: be that for your young quarterback. And when the results matter,
Speaker 1: like they matter for Matt Eberflus because he's going to
Speaker 1: be evaluated at the end of the season, he probably
Speaker 1: is not encouraging Kayla Williams to a go let it go,
Speaker 1: we'll get figured out or whatever. But by not doing that,
Speaker 1: he's not getting the best version of Caleb Williams because
Speaker 1: the one thing that you can't do, you can't play
Speaker 1: the game afraid to be great, and right now, Kayla
Speaker 1: Williams is afraid to be great because he doesn't want
Speaker 1: to mess it up.
Speaker 4: I think you guys nailed it on that. I just
Speaker 4: it just doesn't feel like they are in sync. Really offense, defense,
Speaker 4: like along the coaching staff and all of that is
Speaker 4: getting to the quarterback here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it is, and I've seen it. I've just
Speaker 2: seen it with other young quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: It's a look.
Speaker 2: Hopefully they have time, they can get it corrected and
Speaker 2: he can play more free, play it more loose, and
Speaker 2: kind of get back to being who he was coming out,
Speaker 2: because it's a rough watch at this point in time.
Speaker 2: Speaking of rough watches, the Jets have just they've they're
Speaker 2: circling the drain man and it's been terrible. The Arizona Cardinals,
Speaker 2: on the other hand, I want to give them some flowers.
Speaker 2: I remember the Chargers going in there and losing that
Speaker 2: game and thinking, oh gosh, they blew one against the Cardinals.
Speaker 2: All of a sudden, you look up and the Cardinals now
Speaker 2: they're playing really well and they've they've got some good
Speaker 2: wins too. When you go through and look at what
Speaker 2: they've been able to accomplish this year. Beat some good teams.
Speaker 2: They've beaten the Rams, they've beaten the Chargers, they've beaten
Speaker 2: the Niners. And Kyler is ultra ultra efficient with the
Speaker 2: way he's playing Buck. I mean, this is this is
Speaker 2: a winning formula that they've found there. They play really
Speaker 2: hard on defense. James Connor can run it in this game.
Speaker 2: You saw he can make some plays the past game
Speaker 2: as well. McBride's a stud. They're figuring out Harrison how
Speaker 2: to use him. It's it's a team that's getting better.
Speaker 2: I think this is one of the best coach teams
Speaker 2: that I've seen this year. I think they do a
Speaker 2: great job with that staff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, give Jonathan Gannon a lot of credit for those
Speaker 1: guys being able to figure out Drew Pelsick and those
Speaker 1: guys on the offense certainly helping Kyler Murray, I would say,
Speaker 1: be maybe the best version that we've seen of himself
Speaker 1: in this game at the position, because what you eventually
Speaker 1: want to see from your dual threat quarterback, you want
Speaker 1: to see them mature and evolve and it becomes less
Speaker 1: about their overreliance on their legs and more about selectively
Speaker 1: using the athleticism to create big plays when those plays
Speaker 1: are there or when they're needed. Kyler Murray is doing
Speaker 1: that very efficient in the pocket as a passer, but
Speaker 1: every now and then he gets on the edges and
Speaker 1: he's able to give you things on either design runs
Speaker 1: or scrambles, and as this defense is beginning to play well,
Speaker 1: they're learning how to play complimentary football. I can't say
Speaker 1: enough good things about the Arizona car and the way
Speaker 1: that they're getting it done. Underrated, flying under the radar,
Speaker 1: But this is a team that is going to kind
Speaker 1: of backdoor into the playoffs and potentially do some damage
Speaker 1: when they get there because the quarterback is that good
Speaker 1: and the defensive playing really well.
Speaker 3: It's a couple of rookies, you know. Here in this game.
Speaker 4: Obviously, Marvin Harrison comes up with the touchdown reception. He's
Speaker 4: now at six to lead all rookies after you know,
Speaker 4: it's kind of a slower start, and there have been
Speaker 4: lulls the course of these ten weeks right for Marvin Harrison,
Speaker 4: but he's becoming that player that you thought he was
Speaker 4: going to be. Don't look now, but Trey Benson is
Speaker 4: showing up right, and look, James Connor is still kind
Speaker 4: of the guy in that run game. But Trey Benson
Speaker 4: six yards of pop and has showcasing some explosiveness which
Speaker 4: is kind of fun to want. Which now along with
Speaker 4: Kyler Murray who seems like he could take it whenever
Speaker 4: he wants it on the ground. And then just another
Speaker 4: shout out to a guy that you and I Bucky
Speaker 4: saw in Frisco, Texas at the Shrine Bowl, Rabbit taylored Emerson,
Speaker 4: the Texas tech dB comes in in a big spot
Speaker 4: and has a big time game, gets his hands on
Speaker 4: a couple of balls, and is one of their better
Speaker 4: dvs on the day. So that I thought, you know,
Speaker 4: it's all kind of coming together really with some of
Speaker 4: these young players mixing with a nice group of vets.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've done a nice job there, a really nice
Speaker 2: job there. So MANI doing a good jobs GM there
Speaker 2: money awesome for it. Good dude, and who's brought in
Speaker 2: a lot of talented players. All about your game? Jaggs
Speaker 2: hung in there with the Vikings. Not a pretty game
Speaker 2: from the Vikings standpoint. What'd you see on the Jag
Speaker 2: side of things?
Speaker 1: Well, look, I mean the jack side of thing. I
Speaker 1: think it's tough when you're a team is struggling. You
Speaker 1: got your backup quarterback in in mac Jones, and mac
Speaker 1: Jones certainly couldn't perform at the level that maybe they
Speaker 1: expected you would get when you had Trevor Lawrence in there.
Speaker 1: And I think the familiar theme remains the same. When
Speaker 1: you're dealing with the Minnesota Vikings. The relentless pressure forces
Speaker 1: most quarterbacks and play callers to wilt. It's the barrage
Speaker 1: of overload pressures and simulated pressures and just trying to
Speaker 1: figure out all the stuff. It's not only physically taxing
Speaker 1: to take those hits, but mentally taxing to figure out
Speaker 1: what they're doing. And because there's such an experienced crew
Speaker 1: in the back end, in particularly because you have Stefan
Speaker 1: Gilmore playing, Arison Smith playing, you have Shag Griffin jumping
Speaker 1: in and some of the sub packages, they're able to
Speaker 1: do some advanced stuff when it comes to pre snap
Speaker 1: disguises and post snap movement just to really put together defense.
Speaker 1: And I can talk about the Jag playing hard and
Speaker 1: doing all that, but the Vikings are going to be
Speaker 1: one of those teams that's a thorn on your side,
Speaker 1: not because of their offense, but because their defenses that could.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's not a great day from Sam in
Speaker 2: company offensively, but the defense carried them on that one.
Speaker 2: The Vikings end up getting a big win. Let's get
Speaker 2: to the game. I was at Chargeargers Titans Chargers kind
Speaker 2: of did what you're supposed to do when you're playing
Speaker 2: a two win team. They just kind of handled them.
Speaker 2: They see the score there, twenty seven to seventeen. It
Speaker 2: wasn't really that close. The Titans got a garbage touchdown
Speaker 2: late in this ballgame after going right down the field
Speaker 2: in their first drive in scoring. Then the Chargers defense
Speaker 2: just kind of stiffened up. They didn't give up anything,
Speaker 2: you know, after that great saucy nug by, the way
Speaker 2: seven straight starts, no interceptions for Justin Herbert, he's protecting
Speaker 2: the football. I was talking to somebody about this, you know,
Speaker 2: they're talking about the offensive line with the Chargers, and
Speaker 2: I said, look, they've invested in those two offensive tackles,
Speaker 2: two first rounders, two top you know, top tier guys
Speaker 2: with Slater and then with Joe Walt playing the way
Speaker 2: he's playing. But I'm like even the interior, you know,
Speaker 2: you look at some guys. There's Zion Johnson was a
Speaker 2: high pick, but Bozman didn't cost much as a free agent.
Speaker 2: You had as you see in this tape here, Jamari
Speaker 2: saw your filling Infra trait Pipkins at guard. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's not like this is like five all pros all
Speaker 2: the way across the line. But when you look at it,
Speaker 2: I mean the way they throw the ball like eighteen
Speaker 2: times in this game. So you throw it eighteen times,
Speaker 2: let's say, let's say six of those are off play
Speaker 2: action where you've got an extra blocker, you've got another
Speaker 2: three or four screens baked in, you move the pocket
Speaker 2: on boots for another two or like. He's not asking
Speaker 2: these guys to sit there and hold up and pass
Speaker 2: pro for forty five fifty snaps. And that's what the
Speaker 2: Chargers offense has been since Herbert got there. So you
Speaker 2: saw it with the way he was running in this game.
Speaker 2: He's going to be fresh coming down the stretch in
Speaker 2: the second half. And now when you find yourself in
Speaker 2: this portion of the schedule where they have coming in
Speaker 2: Cincinnati on Sunday night followed by the Ravens on a
Speaker 2: Monday night, they're gonna, you know, they're gonna have to
Speaker 2: They're gonna have to ask more of justin Herbert. But
Speaker 2: I think you know able to preserve him in games
Speaker 2: like this. They haven't been able to do that in
Speaker 2: the past. So a good win there for the Chargers,
Speaker 2: all right. Rhtt we this is a game I knew
Speaker 2: you were super excited about. It's the last one we
Speaker 2: have here. Giants Panthers.
Speaker 4: Your thoughts, Man, it's just a tough watch with the
Speaker 4: Giants offense, you know, and it does make me wonder,
Speaker 4: like where where did things go?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 4: Two years ago we're talking about this Giants team making
Speaker 4: a playoff push and winning a playoff game with you know,
Speaker 4: a lot of the same faces and and some that
Speaker 4: that aren't there that are you know, like Milik Neighbors,
Speaker 4: who's you know, probably better than who was there at
Speaker 4: the time. You know, Tyrone Tracy has fallen into a
Speaker 4: nice role here, but you know, unfortunately there's one you know,
Speaker 4: kind of turnover he's directly involved with, and the other
Speaker 4: one was just, man, you just feel for it, you know,
Speaker 4: the first play of overtime and they just cough it up.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's kind of been the story of the
Speaker 4: Giant season. It just makes you wonder, like they have
Speaker 4: been preaching patients there in New York, especially with Daniel
Speaker 4: Jones and now Brian Dabole is saying when directly asked,
Speaker 4: we're evaluating everything and that's a hard place to be
Speaker 4: for a Giants team that was in the postseason two
Speaker 4: years ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's also it's also buck a little bit
Speaker 2: of a you know, a warning sign for some of
Speaker 2: these some of these contracts. I was, I was at
Speaker 2: a wedding this last weekend, and so you're at a wedding,
Speaker 2: You're talking to a lot of people, and you get
Speaker 2: into a lot of stories about how you met your spouse,
Speaker 2: and you know, all this kind of stuff, and the
Speaker 2: topic came up of like, yeah, yeah, we just knew,
Speaker 2: like when we were together, we just knew this was
Speaker 2: your person, you know. And I thought, you know, it's
Speaker 2: kind of like a quarterback, like if you have to
Speaker 2: ask yourself is he worth? Is he worth the second contract?
Speaker 2: If you have to debate that you probably shouldn't marry
Speaker 2: that person. Yeah, you probably shouldn't marry that person. And
Speaker 2: I think of, you know, that's that's one of those
Speaker 2: conversations that took place. So we'll see. I think it
Speaker 2: makes a lot of sense for them to maybe look
Speaker 2: at somebody else also because of the injury guarantee with
Speaker 2: the contracts. So we'll see what they do when they
Speaker 2: get a chance to reevaluate. But I have yet to
Speaker 2: hear a coach say, we're going to reevaluate everything and
Speaker 2: then decide, know what actually better than we thought. We're
Speaker 2: gonna stay the course. We're gonna stay the course.
Speaker 1: There.
Speaker 2: Don't recall that ever happening. All right, we got through
Speaker 2: all the games boys. Nice work. This was a fun
Speaker 2: one week ten. Appreciate you guys hanging with us. We
Speaker 2: will see you next time. Right here on move the.
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