1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 2: What's up everybody? Welcome to move the stacks, DJ, Bucky 3 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 2: Rhett with you. As we look back at a I 4 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 2: would say, interesting slate of week ten games. Buck, How 5 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 2: are you doing today? 6 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: Man? Man, I'm great, I am great. Just getting back 7 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 1: from Jacksonville. It was a fun field football festival on 8 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: Sunday watching them all to the vikings. So I can't 9 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: wait to comment all about it. 10 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 2: No, Indiana have forret today. 11 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:33,239 Speaker 3: By the way, We're on a byeway next week, so 12 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 3: start on a bye week. So yeah, ten and zero. 13 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 3: Just feeling feeling good and we'll bring that. We'll bring 14 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 3: that back ahead of Ohio State week, don't you worry. 15 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 4: I will say this the if we you know, the 16 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:47,239 Speaker 4: the late Windows slate needs to take a page out 17 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 4: of the Early Windows Slate's book. I mean, because well 18 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 4: it was kind of a snoozer there with those late 19 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 4: afternoon games, but the early window we had five of 20 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 4: seven games decided by one score and then six if 21 00:00:59,920 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 4: you go back to the ot thriller in Munich, right 22 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 4: with the Giants and Panthers and all of a sudden, 23 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 4: Bryce Young's a winner and back to back weeks like 24 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:09,399 Speaker 4: let's go. 25 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 3: We've got a week here. 26 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: Boy. 27 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:13,199 Speaker 2: By the way, great incentive for folks to stick around 28 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 2: for the end of the show because that'll be the 29 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 2: last game we talked about Giants Panthers. Let's start off 30 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 2: at the first game we're gonna get into, which is 31 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:22,479 Speaker 2: Detroit Houston the Sunday Night or the Turnover Fest. 32 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: Buck. 33 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 2: I got a chance to the second half of this one. 34 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:28,479 Speaker 2: I was actually called me when I was driving home 35 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 2: and we were talking about all the turnovers that were 36 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 2: taking place in this game. I mean, I think we 37 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 2: start there. It's a gritty, gutty win for the Lions. 38 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 2: But just your take on all the mishaps in this one. 39 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:42,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, I'm glad that during my Misseason Awards I 40 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: didn't go too hard for Jered Goff being MVP because 41 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: the five interception turnover Fests just kind of crushed that. 42 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: The visual the optics of seeing him turn the ball 43 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: over time and time again certainly won't help him when 44 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: it comes to that, but I think what it does 45 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: for us is it allows us to see how good 46 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: the Lions are. You talk about interceptions from your franchise quarterback. 47 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 1: And even though one of those was a hail mary, 48 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: most teams can't overcome that. The fact that they were 49 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 1: able to do it and really do it in resounding 50 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: fashion in the second half. That only speaks about the 51 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 1: grit and the resiliency and all the toughness that we 52 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 1: talked about with the Lions, but their ability to bounce back, 53 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: find different ways on offense to create scoring opportunities, and 54 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: then their defense being able to step it, step up, 55 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: and step it up. Man, this team has all the 56 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 1: makings of being the best team in the league. 57 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:32,639 Speaker 4: Yeah, and again, major credit to them for holding on, right, 58 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 4: for just holding on every time felt like you know 59 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:37,359 Speaker 4: you might find something. Bang, another turnover happened, and look, 60 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 4: two of them were tips, right, and one was a 61 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:43,079 Speaker 4: hail mary. But still seeing that number is shocking, right, 62 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 4: It's shocking to see a quarterback that had been the 63 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 4: most efficient quarterback in football all of a sudden start 64 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 4: turning it over that way. I mean, I think the 65 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 4: last one was probably the worst one that he was 66 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 4: trying to throw to Jamison Williams that ends up getting 67 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:57,639 Speaker 4: caught way downfield. 68 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 3: But the thing that I'm I'm moost. 69 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 4: Curious about is is where this this Texans offense has gone. 70 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 4: Where the consistency has gone there? And I get it. 71 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:08,679 Speaker 4: They've had receivers kind of shuffling in and out of 72 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 4: the lineup. Thought maybe Nico Collins was going to be 73 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 4: back this week. I couldn't quite get activated with the 74 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,839 Speaker 4: hamstring injury. You know, Stephan Diggs now out for the year. 75 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 4: But I think the one thing that's kind of interesting 76 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 4: to me is just how much this Texans team needs 77 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 4: the run game to find success this year, which wasn't 78 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 4: necessarily the case. I mean, like they got a good 79 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 4: year at a Devin Singletary year ago. Man Joe Mixon 80 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 4: was bottled up in this game. Alee McNeil was fantastic 81 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 4: on the interior, he was in the backfield all day long, 82 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 4: but they couldn't get Joe Mixon going, and so then 83 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 4: it just felt like the whole thing was out of sync. 84 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 3: And CJ. 85 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 4: Straw was under pressure a bunch as he has been 86 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 4: this season. So they got to figure some things out 87 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 4: here on offense for the Houston Texans team. 88 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 2: This one's for Rhett Buck because Rhett loves it when 89 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 2: I take lyrics of songs and adapt them to the NFL, 90 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 2: and I'm watching watch and the cutups from that, and 91 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 2: all I could think of was, Laremie missed and pass 92 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 2: pro today. 93 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, J yeah, I gotcha. 94 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 2: Oh my god, I mean, thank you, thank you. I 95 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 2: just needed the curus left. You were in high school? Uh? 96 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 2: What happened to Laramie Tunsel? Right? This is your team 97 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:27,799 Speaker 2: that you follow, You've got this is the family affair? 98 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:29,600 Speaker 2: What the heck happened to him? He was one of 99 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 2: the best tackles in the NFL. 100 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 4: So he's definitely been nicked up this year. I don't 101 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 4: know how bad it's been. I don't know how much 102 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 4: of it is is a product of what we're seeing 103 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 4: out on the field right now. But when your best 104 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 4: guy is having struggles the way that that Tunsil is, 105 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 4: it certainly filters through. And they made some changes along 106 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 4: the offensive line, moved Juice Scrugs over the left guard. 107 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 3: And then it made a change at center there. 108 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:58,839 Speaker 4: Too, So they've had trouble across the board, it's felt 109 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:02,799 Speaker 4: like at different times throughout this season, along the offensive line. 110 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 4: But that is a that is a that is probably 111 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:08,359 Speaker 4: the most alarming thing, is right when a player like 112 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 4: that is a big piece of the struggles a mirror 113 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:14,919 Speaker 4: when CJ. Stroud can't just can't you know, can't count 114 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 4: on it, right, that's trouble. 115 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not good. But again, Gutsy went I. I 116 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 2: was glad you guys mentioned the makeup of those interceptions 117 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 2: as someone who I'm quite certain still holds the San 118 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:28,479 Speaker 2: Diego County record for interceptions in one ball game. Six. 119 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 2: By the way, if you're if you're counting at home, 120 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 2: how do you have five or six interception games? Here's 121 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:34,840 Speaker 2: how you have them. You have them as I did, 122 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 2: which was like an interception on a Hailmary at the 123 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 2: end of the half, a fourth and fourth and goal 124 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 2: interception at the end of the game, a couple tips 125 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:44,679 Speaker 2: like they start adding up when all that weird stuff 126 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:46,840 Speaker 2: starts happening. It wasn't quite as bad when I watch 127 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 2: the golf cutups as I thought it might be, just 128 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:50,359 Speaker 2: looking at the stat line. And then he made the 129 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 2: throws at the end of the game when they needed 130 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:54,160 Speaker 2: so a big win for the Detroit Lions. Uh, let's 131 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 2: stay you know, I think about Detroit in the NFC, 132 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 2: A team that's that's not far behind them on their 133 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 2: heels is Philly, who's playing really good ball right now 134 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:03,919 Speaker 2: against the Dallas Cowboys team that I don't know that 135 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:05,799 Speaker 2: we need to spend enough time. I think we already 136 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:08,359 Speaker 2: had a funeral for them. I don't really care to 137 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 2: even Yeah. 138 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 3: Some cowboys on there, misery loves company. 139 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 2: It's over, So we don't need to talk much on 140 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 2: that side of it. But I do want to talk 141 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 2: on the on the Philly side of it, and Buck, 142 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 2: I'll get over to you on this one. Hurts seven carries, 143 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 2: fifty six yards, two touchdowns. 144 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. 145 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 2: I just think this is like an underappreciated thing in 146 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:31,559 Speaker 2: the NFL right now. Derrick Henry is the only runner 147 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 2: in the NFL with more touchdowns this year than Jalen Hurts. 148 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 2: He's got ten touchdowns. He's going to put up fifteen 149 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 2: rushing touchdowns every single year. And if we're gonna you know, 150 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 2: you go and look at him. There's third and two 151 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:45,159 Speaker 2: scramble first down in this game. You know, I just 152 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 2: get the push push, you get a scramble with Lane 153 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 2: being able to clear some space for him and gets 154 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 2: a nice run. They run QB power in the red 155 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 2: zone like it is a major asset to have a 156 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 2: quarterback that you can do this with. It feels like 157 00:06:58,040 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 2: as a high school coach and when I wanted to 158 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 2: actually this buck they can kind of play a high 159 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 2: school brand of football with Jalen Hurts. 160 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: They absolutely can. And I give them credit because Kellen 161 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: Moore has I would say, evolved Jalen hurts game even 162 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: more when you think about when he first kind of 163 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 1: rose to prominence, it was really in the collegiate system. 164 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: They're running quarterback powers and counters and those things. We're 165 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 1: seeing less of that and more of the traditional pro 166 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 1: style offense with a smattering of Jalen Hurst's special plays 167 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: mixed in there. But this offense has so many weapons. 168 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 1: They have so much firepower. You think about Barkley, the 169 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: two wide receivers on the outside, AJ Brown and Devonte Smith. 170 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 1: Dallas gotta get to control of the middle offensive line. 171 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: They really can win in a variety of ways. And 172 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: I know we've kind of penciled in the Detroit Lions 173 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 1: as the class of the NFC, but as this team 174 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: is trending, by season's in, we might be talking about 175 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Eagles being the best team in the NFC 176 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 1: and the team that's most likely to challenge in the 177 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 1: Super Bowl because they have all the piece of theopozzals, 178 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:01,239 Speaker 1: particularly on offense. 179 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 4: This is how they did it right, This is this 180 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 4: was their blueprint two years ago. Right, they were a 181 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 4: grinded out, I mean, not so grinding. They could still make, 182 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 4: you know, make their head in the pass game, but 183 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 4: like they were definitely you know, finding production on the 184 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 4: ground one hundred and eighty seven yards in this game. 185 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 3: You know, hert said fifty six of them, as you mentioned, DJ, 186 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 3: but Saquon. 187 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 4: Barkley still does his part with sixty six and I 188 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 4: just feel like that gives them so much more. 189 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 3: A wider pathway right to victory. 190 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:32,439 Speaker 4: And it just feels like it with these Nick Sirianni 191 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 4: teams when they found success early in his tenure there 192 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 4: in Philly, they were a force to be reckoned with 193 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 4: on the ground. Saquon Barkley has brought that back. And 194 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 4: then Jalen Hurts with that piece. I mean, the fact 195 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 4: that he's got ten touchdowns this year to count on, 196 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 4: you know, sixty points from your quarterback on the ground 197 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 4: over the course of the first ten games is a 198 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 4: pretty good deal right there. And obviously still a lot 199 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 4: left to go here, So that piece of it I 200 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 4: think is big. I think on the flip side, you know, 201 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 4: also coming back to you on this DJ with the Cowboys, 202 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 4: you know, Michael Parsons, you know you had the Ceedee 203 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 4: Lambs Sunshine issue with the windows. You had Michael Parsons 204 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 4: kind of saying, you know, I played for Zach Martin, 205 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 4: not necessarily for Mike McCarthy. I know, we're not gonna 206 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 4: spend a lot of time on the Cowboys. 207 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 3: Man. 208 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 4: It is like everywhere you look, there's a problem, quarterback, problem, 209 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 4: head coach, problem, star players, you know, with comments that way. 210 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, problem, Yeah. I don't know how you come back 211 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 3: from that. 212 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:31,679 Speaker 1: Well. 213 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 2: I was just brought back to a conversation I had 214 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 2: just kind of milling around the team out there at 215 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 2: training camp and talking to some folks, you know, some 216 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 2: inside the organization and others just that are dialed in 217 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 2: with the team out of training camp, and a theme 218 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 2: kind of emerged because if you remember, at that time, 219 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 2: we have no Dak Prescott deal, Ceedee Lamb's not there, 220 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 2: and then there's the Mica contract that's kind of looming, 221 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 2: and it came up in conversation with everyone. It was 222 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:03,959 Speaker 2: pretty consistent they'll get Dack done. That'll happen. They're not 223 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 2: going to let Dak leave. He'll get that done. Ceedee lamb. 224 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 2: That's that's just a matter of time. They'll figure that out. 225 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 2: And Micah Parsons I got a lot of that's interesting. 226 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 2: I will see. We'll see on that one, you know. 227 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 2: And I was just kind of like, I mean, this 228 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 2: is a darn good player, but I don't know, you know, 229 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 2: it's it's it's getting to the point now where where 230 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 2: this team is this year, they have to make the 231 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 2: decision and and Buck, you can put a bow on 232 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 2: this for us, and I think that we would all 233 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 2: agree it's probably going to be it for Mike McCarthy 234 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:36,199 Speaker 2: after this year's over. That's why I don't really want 235 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 2: to spend much time on what you know, players and 236 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 2: Mike or wherever. Think of Mike McCarthy. I think that's over. 237 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 2: But what is going to be the next step for 238 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 2: them is what's the real Cowboys? Is it the team 239 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:50,719 Speaker 2: that's that's had these twelve win seasons or did they 240 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 2: fall off the cliff? And this is where they are 241 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 2: in reality right now? This team, So are we going 242 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 2: to sell off some assets and maybe try and go 243 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 2: to the bottom to get back up to the time. 244 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 2: Are we just are we going to be arrogant and 245 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:04,560 Speaker 2: say we're the Dallas Cowboys. We don't ever do that, 246 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 2: and we're just gonna pretend everything's fine. We get right 247 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 2: back up to being a double digit winning team next 248 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 2: year with a different coach. I mean, that's the decision 249 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 2: they've got to make. Buck. 250 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:16,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, the decision they have to make is not only 251 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: like personnel wise, I think before you even do that, 252 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 1: I think you got to figure out what is the 253 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: culture of this team. And I know that's the buzzword 254 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 1: that people get tired of. It is thrown out there. 255 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: But honestly, Michael Parsons gave exhibit A on bad culture 256 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: because some of those comments they should be internal. They 257 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:36,319 Speaker 1: should never hit our ears when you're talking about what 258 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 1: you think about your coach, what you think about winning 259 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: for your teammates, and those things. Because what he did 260 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:46,439 Speaker 1: is he basically just smudged all the things that Mike 261 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:49,839 Speaker 1: McCarthy has accomplished throughout his career. In his time in Dallas. 262 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:52,959 Speaker 1: You talked about three twelve wins seasons DJ last year. 263 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 1: We can go back and look, they probably overachieved to 264 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: get the twelve wins and we can talk about the 265 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: debacle that was the playoffs. I don't know how good 266 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: this team is, but for Micah Parsons, the big thing 267 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 1: is when the next coach or the next whoever's in 268 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:10,199 Speaker 1: charge comes in, they gotta determine is the juice worth 269 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 1: the squeeze. He's a phenomenal player, but he's also, in 270 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 1: my mind, a distracted player when you think about the 271 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: podcast and all the other stuff that's kind of around him. 272 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:24,680 Speaker 1: Everybody loves the personality. Everybody can respect outspokenness, but when 273 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:27,319 Speaker 1: it comes at the expense of the team, it's problematic. 274 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:29,719 Speaker 1: The Cowboys have to decide who they are and they 275 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: have to build it from inside out. When it comes 276 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 1: to the culture, then find the players that fit that. 277 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 1: We'll see if number eleven is a big fit. I 278 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 1: love the production. I just don't know if it's some 279 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:42,680 Speaker 1: stuff you can build around. 280 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna get to I'm gonna tease the conversation 281 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 2: we're gonna have coming up a little bit later on, 282 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 2: because I do. We're gonna look at one team that's 283 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 2: got a collective pass rush, and it got me thinking, 284 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 2: and it's an interesting conversation, talk about these elite, elite, 285 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 2: elite guys, these elite individual players. A lot of teams 286 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 2: in this league are winning with a collection of good 287 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 2: and not an individual great. I want to have that 288 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:07,559 Speaker 2: conversation later, which you know, we'll kind of pick up 289 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 2: where we left off here. All right, let's flush this conversation. 290 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 2: Let's get to another game here with them, since and 291 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:14,599 Speaker 2: the new coach. 292 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:15,959 Speaker 1: I know where you're going. 293 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:18,559 Speaker 2: I decide what we're talking about. I don't want to 294 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 2: talk about that. I had too. Twenty to seventeen the 295 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 2: Saints team that I had seen in person, that will 296 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 2: look terrible. I mean, I've seen some bad teams this 297 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:30,199 Speaker 2: year in person, and I'm sure Bucky has as well. 298 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 2: But uh man, that's that's a good win for them 299 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 2: against the Atlanta Falcons twenty to seventeen. Derek Carr as 300 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 2: an efficient day, plays well, they get Darren Rizzio wins, 301 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 2: so good, good story for him, good for for that team, 302 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 2: that organization. After you know, kind of what's been a 303 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 2: tumultuous a few weeks here as they've been playing some 304 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 2: some rough ball RTT. I want to get to you 305 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 2: on the Saints side of things. But before we do that, 306 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna give you my first saucy now 307 00:13:57,480 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 2: a right, ready, we're ready for a saucy no, yeah yeah. 308 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 2: Atlanta Falcons, guys, what is the same conversation we have 309 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 2: with this team every single spring we do draft shows together. 310 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:08,599 Speaker 2: We've been doing them together for us forever. We have 311 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 2: passh okay, okas, I'm just curious, curious and this one 312 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 2: buck They had zero sacks in this game. Oh okay, interesting, 313 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 2: how are you out this year? Nine? Oh, they've got 314 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 2: nine sacks and we're in week ten of the season. 315 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 2: Grady Jarrett Rhett is leading them with two and a 316 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 2: half sacks. Matt Judon has one and a half. It 317 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 2: is amazing to me. This might be the I don't 318 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 2: know if a team that's had a specific issue non 319 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 2: quarterback related, that they have been unable to solve, like 320 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 2: the Atlanta Falcons in this past rush. It is bizarre 321 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 2: to me that they can't figure that out. 322 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 3: Rhet that's right. What was it two years ago? 323 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 4: Went and got Arnold Wakatie out of Penn State in 324 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 4: the second round. Man, you gotta go back to Vic Beasley. 325 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 4: You know who has a one year wonder out of 326 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 4: Clenson as a first round pick. Was that almost ten 327 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 4: years ago now, and it's been a problem ever since. 328 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 4: And I mean, look, give the credit for going trying 329 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 4: to go get met Judon and make happened. I mean, 330 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 4: they clearly understand the problem. But there needs to be 331 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 4: a you know, a bigger fixed there, right. I mean 332 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 4: I think you know, you could obviously look at this 333 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 4: year's draft and say, yeah, sure Jared Verse would have helped, 334 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 4: or sure Dallas Turner might have helped, or maybe lay 335 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 4: out to a lot too, but you know, on yeah, 336 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 4: but keep. 337 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 3: Moving on on that one. 338 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 4: But they decided to go, you know, for the future 339 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 4: a quarterback, and certainly understand that that line. 340 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 3: Of thinking as well. 341 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 4: But for the present day Atlanta Falcons, pass rush is 342 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 4: vital to them staying in the tournament, getting into the 343 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 4: tournament and staying there and having a run Like it's 344 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 4: just not gonna have it. If you can allow you know, 345 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 4: Derek Carr to sit back there and find Mark Weisvaldez 346 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 4: canting twice for touchdowns relatively unfettered, that that's just I 347 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 4: don't know, I mean, you can't find it now, right, 348 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 4: I mean we're gonna have to be talking about this 349 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 4: again this spring. 350 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's one thing that we can count on. Like 351 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: the first in the fifteenth we go ahead to talk 352 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 1: about that Falcons searching for a pass rush because this 353 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: is what they're able to do, and it really doesn't 354 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 1: matter how they try and fix it, reagency, the draft, trade, 355 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 1: whatever it is, they haven't been able to get it done. 356 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 1: But man, it's the most important part. When we talk 357 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 1: about team building, we talk about quarterback, do we talk 358 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 1: about pass rush, and you got to be able to 359 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: throw it. You got to be able to close games out. 360 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 1: Their inability to close games out with the pass rush 361 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 1: has kept them from achieving what many would say is 362 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 1: like a high sealing potential. I don't know where they 363 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 1: go because Matt Juni can do so much, but nine 364 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 1: sacks ten games that that's not good enough to get 365 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 1: it done. And it'll never be good enough to get 366 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 1: it done if you can't get back again. 367 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 4: We You know, it's interesting too when you look at 368 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 4: that because they also drafted Zach Harrison right out of 369 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 4: Ohio State, who was a very highly recruited kid up 370 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 4: at Ohio State. Never quite lived up to the billing 371 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 4: as one of like the next edge rusher, Bucky. You 372 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 4: talk about this a lot like sack production in college 373 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 4: generally translates. Well, when you don't have sack production in college, 374 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 4: you wonder does that also then translate. I mean, because 375 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:04,159 Speaker 4: I don't know that we've seen it there from that 376 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 4: side either. That That's just one of those things to 377 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 4: think about when we continue to evaluate players going into 378 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 4: the draft this year. 379 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's I mean, death tax is in 380 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 2: a spring talking about the Atlanta Falcons looking for a. 381 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 1: Draft though it makes it easy. 382 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 2: They're not going to take one. They're not going to 383 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 2: take one, but put one in there and look at comments. 384 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 2: Look at the comments in that mock draft aren't either 385 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 2: like they're not taking it. They'll never they won't do anyways. Anyways, 386 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 2: we're getting I just need to get the first one. 387 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:40,959 Speaker 2: The spring is the spring is a little bit off. 388 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 2: Let's not get too carried away, all right, We've got 389 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 2: plenty more to get to here. Let's be patient, let's 390 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:52,639 Speaker 2: pace ourselves. And that seems to be the theme for 391 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 2: the Kansas City Chiefs. I don't know how, I just 392 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:58,160 Speaker 2: they find a way, They find a way to make 393 00:17:58,160 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 2: a play the other team finds a way to not 394 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 2: make play, but it is. It's pretty remarkable the way 395 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:04,879 Speaker 2: they were able to get to the finish line in 396 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 2: this game sixteen to fourteen, A game that almost felt like, 397 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 2: you know, keeping an eye on it. I was at 398 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 2: the Charger game, put an eye on that game. I 399 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 2: felt like, gosh, it looks like the whole game was 400 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:17,439 Speaker 2: being played on the chief side of the field. Like 401 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 2: the Broncos were kind of dominating the game, but you 402 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 2: got to kick to win it, and they can't protect, 403 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:25,919 Speaker 2: and the Chiefs make a play block to kick and 404 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:27,880 Speaker 2: they go on to win the football game. But Buck, 405 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:31,400 Speaker 2: I don't know. I guess the simplest way is winners win, 406 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 2: losers lose. I mean, that's I don't know how else 407 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:36,400 Speaker 2: to describe that one. 408 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:39,880 Speaker 1: Look at you sounded like fifty I love it. Yeah. 409 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 1: It Ultimately, winners do find ways to win. And the 410 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 1: Cansita Chiefs have been in voted by the fact that 411 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 1: they've gone back to back, they've won three out of four. 412 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: They know that if they play to the end, typically 413 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 1: the other team implows and to me is very reminiscent 414 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 1: of the pages and how the Patriots dominated for twenty years. 415 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:01,679 Speaker 1: It wasn't so much today made these exceptional plays is 416 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: they were able to be consistent, and their consistent performance 417 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 1: eventually translates to success. Great play at the end, though, 418 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 1: I mean when you look at this play and the 419 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: way it was broken down and how they created a 420 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 1: two on one opportunity on the end, not the wing, 421 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:20,160 Speaker 1: but to go through there. It's the execution of things 422 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 1: that they've probably been working on since training camp, but 423 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 1: just doing them when it mattered the most. Just great resiliency, 424 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:31,719 Speaker 1: great belief, great confidence. And here's the crazy thing, the 425 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 1: more that they pulled this off, the more that the 426 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 1: rest of the team is looking over their shoulder at 427 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:39,199 Speaker 1: the end of the games waiting for them to make 428 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 1: a play. There's something mystical and magical about what the 429 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs are doing, and other teams only feed 430 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 1: into it because they can't believe that this team is 431 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 1: always right there. 432 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:51,919 Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know, finding ways to win I think 433 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 4: is obviously the key phrase here for the Kansas City Chiefs. 434 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 4: I mean, they're down right, they're down fourteen to three 435 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 4: in the second quarter, are going into the half, or rather, 436 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 4: you know, as they come out of the second quarter there, 437 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:09,880 Speaker 4: and so like when you look at it, you look 438 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 4: at the way in which they're finding, you know, ways 439 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:15,680 Speaker 4: to win it. Yes, Patrick Mahomes connected with Travis Kelce 440 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 4: seventy six touchdown ties Tony Gonzalez most all time franchise distrue, 441 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:21,879 Speaker 4: but then missed, you know, on a chance to go 442 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:23,880 Speaker 4: up by a touchdown at the end of the game, 443 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 4: in which allowed the Broncos the opportunity to come down 444 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 4: and kickwoo would have been a game winning field goal. 445 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:32,159 Speaker 3: But again, like they held the Broncos scoreless. 446 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 4: In the second half, this team just plays complimentary football 447 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 4: and like we talk about that a lot offense. Defense, 448 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 4: you throw special teams in there when you're blocking kicks 449 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:42,159 Speaker 4: that way, man, especially chip shots. 450 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:43,880 Speaker 3: Like that thirty five yarders glorified extra point. 451 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 4: So I just think, you know, yeah, you do understand 452 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,120 Speaker 4: what it takes to win football games. This team knows 453 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 4: that better than anybody, and they keep showing up and 454 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 4: showing you know that there are numerous ways that they 455 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:59,919 Speaker 4: can do it, and credit to them, and you know 456 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 4: they'll keep it rolling, you know, until somebody could find 457 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 4: a way. 458 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 3: But right now, man, the Chiefs team is pretty dam impressive. 459 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 2: Now We've made those comps with the early Patriots Super 460 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 2: Bowl teams with this version of the Chiefs like a bunch. 461 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 2: So you have twenty eight completions for Mahomes in this game, 462 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 2: twenty to running backs and tight ends, twenty at the 463 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:20,440 Speaker 2: twenty eight the tight ends and running backs like it 464 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 2: is a check down fest. It is a you know 465 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 2: play it for you know field position, and it is 466 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 2: bizarre how this team is doing it. I mean, I 467 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 2: give Andy Reid all the credit in the world. He's 468 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 2: not chasing stats, he's chasing wins, and they're figuring out 469 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:38,399 Speaker 2: a formula to get it done. I do want to 470 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:39,879 Speaker 2: give bo Nick some love on the other side of it. 471 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:43,399 Speaker 2: Went through and watched him this morning and on the 472 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,919 Speaker 2: heels and we'll get to the Chicago mess in a 473 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 2: little bit. But you know, watching that back to back 474 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 2: with with Caleb Williams, there's a confidence in trusting what 475 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 2: he's seeing with Bonix, and I think he's in a 476 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 2: good place With Sean Payton, He's attacking when he can attack. 477 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:01,679 Speaker 2: There's his feeder in the ground. He doesn't look as 478 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 2: jittery as when I saw him in person a month ago. 479 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 2: He's getting more confident and more comfortable, and the ball's 480 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:11,120 Speaker 2: coming out well and he's making plays, so I'd be encouraged. 481 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 2: I know they're five and five and disappointed they didn't 482 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 2: get that kick to win this game, But on a 483 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:19,160 Speaker 2: big picture scale, I think you're seeing Bonnix just get 484 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,160 Speaker 2: better and better, which is a great sign for Denver 485 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,919 Speaker 2: and it's a great sign for their future. So some 486 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 2: good news there for the Denver Broncos. Let's keep going 487 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 2: through the AFC. If we're going to have the Chiefs 488 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 2: is the favorite right now, I think Buffalo's right behind them. Guys. 489 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 2: Buffalo gets a win over Indy Buckets thirty to twenty. 490 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 2: It's the best start to season since nineteen ninety three. 491 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 2: Were you on that team? You weren't on that team, 492 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 2: buck What year were you there? 493 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 1: It was you before he got the ninety four four. 494 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 2: Yes, I knew I was right around your time. I 495 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 2: know that I was right around your time. But this 496 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:52,959 Speaker 2: is where I want to have this discussion. We can 497 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 2: get into this game if you want to, but I 498 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,680 Speaker 2: thought this was a more fascinating discussion. I was going 499 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 2: through and watching all their pressures this morning. Von Miller 500 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 2: is doing his thing you've got Oliver on the inside. 501 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,880 Speaker 2: He's getting pressure. Greg Orusso is playing his butt off. 502 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:06,440 Speaker 2: I mean, I think he's got maybe five and a 503 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,120 Speaker 2: half sacks or some of his pressure reel every week. 504 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 2: He's just getting all kinds of pressure. Epanessa has been 505 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 2: really good. Da Kwan Jones was getting some pressure inside. 506 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 2: And that's where what I was alluding to earlier, Buck, 507 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 2: which is, you know, I see Max Crosby's unbelievable, but 508 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,119 Speaker 2: their team's not very good right now. Miles Garrett is 509 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,439 Speaker 2: a freak. Their team's not very good right now. But 510 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,439 Speaker 2: when I look at teams like Kansas City and not, 511 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 2: Chris Jones is great, but that is a still they 512 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 2: all kind of do their part in that front with 513 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,879 Speaker 2: those guys you think about here with the Buffalo Bills, 514 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 2: all those names that I just mentioned Detroit now, especially 515 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 2: without Aiden Hutchinson there, that's going to be a collective 516 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 2: group effort. You can look around at a lot of 517 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 2: these top teams. The Philadelphia Eagles have just a bunch 518 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 2: of different guys that can kind of win inside and outside. 519 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,679 Speaker 2: There's no like central focal point is what I'm getting at, 520 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 2: And I just wonder if it's like we used to 521 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:57,439 Speaker 2: say with the offensive line, you're as strong as your 522 00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:59,919 Speaker 2: weakest link. You'd rather have five goods than you know, 523 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,119 Speaker 2: one great, a couple of averages in a bad I 524 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 2: think we could almost almost have that same conversation on 525 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 2: the defensive front right now. 526 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, So it sounds like you would rather have a 527 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 1: bunch of b's and B pluses than one A or 528 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,440 Speaker 1: A plus on that front line. And what the Buffalo 529 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 1: Bills are doing is they are wearing you down in waves. 530 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,680 Speaker 1: And it's funny because it's not only them you talked 531 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 1: about some of the other teams. I think it was 532 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 1: also probably some of the motivation for the Pittsburgh still 533 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,679 Speaker 1: is to go and get Preston Smith to complete a 534 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,159 Speaker 1: rotation that they had. I mean, and that's not like 535 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 1: that like TJ. 536 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:36,479 Speaker 2: Watt's unbelievable, But that's Cam Hayward, that's TJ. Watt, that's 537 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 2: high Smith. Now you throw it like yeah, like these 538 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 2: teams that are good have more than one guy that 539 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 2: can do it. 540 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, so they have more than one pitch of the thing. 541 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 1: And so the Buffalo Bills are interesting because I think 542 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 1: they've leaned all the way into the blue collar mentality 543 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,640 Speaker 1: of the city. This is a blue collar team. Sean 544 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,199 Speaker 1: McDermott back against the wall, people were talking about, hey, man, 545 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:56,920 Speaker 1: if they don't get this done, like, hey, how much 546 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,639 Speaker 1: longer on this McDermott thing. And I think they've just 547 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,879 Speaker 1: put the nose to the grindstone, found a way to 548 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,920 Speaker 1: just outwork and wear people down. And here you are 549 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 1: talking about the Buffalo Bills, putting them their best record 550 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:12,160 Speaker 1: since ninety three. Nobody had this on the BEINGO card 551 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 1: that the Bills would be this good. But pass off 552 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: to them, and you're right, this black Commedy situation with 553 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:21,399 Speaker 1: their pass rush has certainly helped him become one the 554 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 1: dominant teams in the AFC. 555 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:25,919 Speaker 3: And then just taking a quick look at what the 556 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:26,640 Speaker 3: Colts are doing. 557 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,159 Speaker 4: You know, the Texans keep are keeping the teams in 558 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 4: it right there, and the keeping the Colts in it 559 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,680 Speaker 4: in the AFC South. You know, the Colts are sitting 560 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:35,639 Speaker 4: there four and six, they're only two games back. But 561 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,159 Speaker 4: at what point are you going to look at this 562 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 4: thing and say, Okay, you know, Joe Flacco is not 563 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 4: giving us what we thought he was going to give us, 564 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,440 Speaker 4: and how long can we stick with that? And now 565 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 4: we're YoY going back and forth quarterbacks here and in 566 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 4: a way in which we have a chance to be 567 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 4: competitive and find ourselves in a playoff spot. 568 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 3: But we're kind of going back and forth on the quarterback. 569 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 4: Look there, there's team commit at least until Shane Stiken 570 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:03,920 Speaker 4: says so that Joe Flacco is going to be the quarterback. 571 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 4: I mean, are you confident that they can get it 572 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:09,440 Speaker 4: turned around? You know, helping Michael Pittman's back out there. 573 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 4: You know they can get some guys healthy there too. 574 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,439 Speaker 4: But man, you can't keep turning and over and expect 575 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 4: to stay competitive as you go down the stretch here. 576 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I haven't they been swept by Houston? 577 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 1: And I make that up. 578 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 2: The Colts. Have they played them twice already or just 579 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,640 Speaker 2: once already? Yeah, they were, they were swept. They got 580 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 2: swept by them. So that's a three game lead, So 581 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,479 Speaker 2: it's they still got a long way to a long 582 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:34,879 Speaker 2: way to guns with that. To put it to kind 583 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 2: of put a bow though, I'll give you a little 584 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,719 Speaker 2: saucy nug to wrap up a buffalo INDI here we 585 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 2: talked about earlier. The Falcons have nine sacks this season. 586 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 2: The Bills have twelve players with at least a sack. 587 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,919 Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's uh, that's pretty nuts. They are 588 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 2: getting home with a lot of different players, so they're 589 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 2: doing a great job as a collective pass. Rush Buck. 590 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 2: You you mentioned there with Pittsburgh Washington, uh, talking about 591 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:02,920 Speaker 2: the Steelers things, Rhett, is there anything you would add 592 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 2: on this game that, you know, look, the Steelers end 593 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 2: up getting a twenty eight twenty seven win, anything else 594 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 2: besides obviously what we're talking about. 595 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 4: Right, Tomlin cooking, like Tomlin cooking, I mean, like just 596 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 4: you know, obviously the decision to put Russell Wilson in 597 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 4: while your team was winning, you know, obviously still looms large. 598 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,359 Speaker 4: He's undefeated as a starting quarterback. The one thing that 599 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 4: we talked about here on the move the sticks pod, 600 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,119 Speaker 4: right was you know, the moon ball from Russell to 601 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 4: Mike Williams. And sure enough his first catches a Steelers 602 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,439 Speaker 4: exactly in Morner in. 603 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,680 Speaker 3: A big in a big spot for Pittsburgh. I mean, 604 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,719 Speaker 3: take your victory lap on that one. But there it is. 605 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 4: Bang, you know, got that done. And then you know, 606 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 4: like I loved his response to to all right, were 607 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:46,879 Speaker 4: you really going to go for it on fourth? And 608 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:48,640 Speaker 4: one at the end of the game. I guess we'll 609 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 4: never know. 610 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 2: But I don't know. 611 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,439 Speaker 4: I mean, that was you know, that was a you know, 612 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 4: a head coach saying, hey, let's give it a shot. Man, 613 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 4: let's just go try to draw them off sides. If 614 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,239 Speaker 4: it doesn't work, fine, we'll punt it away whatever. But 615 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,440 Speaker 4: then it does work. And Neil vegga genius and poor 616 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 4: rookie Jerson Newton, you know, that's a tough one. That's 617 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,159 Speaker 4: a tough spot. He knew right away, obviously everybody did. 618 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 4: They're all laughing the Steelers like. 619 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 1: We got it. 620 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:15,919 Speaker 3: I think they might have gone for it. I don't know. 621 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,440 Speaker 4: I just this Steelers team feels like, you know, they're 622 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 4: they're almost like they're a little bit less explosive, but 623 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 4: they're kind of like the AFC version of the Lions. 624 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 4: You know, They've got some of that grit to it, 625 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,399 Speaker 4: some of that toughness. They find ways to win there 626 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,200 Speaker 4: and they're getting it done. So credit to Mike Tomlin. 627 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, credit to Mike Tomlin. But let's credit him for 628 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 1: the quarterback decision that all of us were like, man, 629 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 1: why change it was such a good thing. Going with 630 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 1: Justin Fields but Russell Wilson has already and I saw 631 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 1: this like I mean, it won't be a saucy nug, 632 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 1: but I put it out there. They're already saying that 633 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson has more touchdown passes than any quarterback it 634 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 1: has been Roethlisberger retired in three games, he has more 635 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 1: than every other quarterback that is played a position. But 636 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 1: the stillers is big Ben retired. That's bananas in three 637 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 1: games that he's already done that. And when you look 638 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 1: at the Stellers offense with him at quarterback, the deep 639 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 1: ball has come back. I see a happier George Pickens, 640 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 1: I see Mike Williams making dramatic catches, and it's opened 641 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 1: up this offense in a way that it wasn't wide 642 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 1: open with Justin Fields. Credit to Mike Tomlin for being 643 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 1: a coach who was not afraid to step into I 644 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 1: would say a controversial decision, but it appears that has 645 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 1: made his team a team that went from being a 646 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 1: playoff contender. Maybe they're able to push and go a 647 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 1: little deeper into postseason because they got a quarterback they 648 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 1: can close games out in the fourth quarter. 649 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 2: Somebody that has that has more time can go through 650 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 2: this whole thing. But it would be fun to compare 651 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 2: this iteration of the Steelers to the old one, because 652 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 2: I'm already thinking, off the top of my head, you've 653 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 2: got big Ben, little Russ, so we can start right there. 654 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 2: You can also that come with You've got you've got 655 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 2: angry Harrison, happy Watt. Like there's there's a there's like 656 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 2: a lot of guys at these same positions that might 657 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 2: come in different shape, sizes, personalities, but they're all like 658 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,479 Speaker 2: the DNA is still the same. It was what we 659 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 2: said about was what we said about with Russ when 660 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 2: he went to Pittsburgh, was like, yeah, this is this 661 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 2: is when they're good. It's it's it's a defense, it's 662 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 2: controlling the game and then when Ben needs to make 663 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 2: two or three Ben plays, he makes those plays, but 664 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 2: win the game. This is what's exactly what Russ is doing. 665 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 2: It's the exact same formula for those great Steeler teams. 666 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 2: And I don't think anybody I mean, I know people 667 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 2: have talked about the quarterback thing, but I just feel 668 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 2: like we're talking about Super Bowl contenders and who are 669 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 2: the top teams? Like I don't even think people even 670 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 2: mention this team, and I know when I've saw him, 671 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 2: I saw him up close in seeing them in person 672 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 2: this year. I buck have the Jags played the Steelers 673 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 2: this year? 674 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,240 Speaker 1: Uh No, thank good? Okay. 675 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:50,479 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just telling you when you go out 676 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 2: there and then you look onto the field and you 677 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 2: see high Smith, and then you see T. J. Watt, 678 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:56,960 Speaker 2: and then you see Cam Hayward and then they've got 679 00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 2: her big like they're they're a count of bent. Was 680 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:01,720 Speaker 2: their nightmare to block man? 681 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 1: Like? 682 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 2: They are really good up front. 683 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. I think the thing about the still is they 684 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 1: know who they are now, and I think and knowing 685 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 1: who they are, they understand how to play to their identity. 686 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 1: And it's that pretty. It's not sexy, it doesn't get 687 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,479 Speaker 1: a lot of clicks, but it's one of the ways 688 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 1: that they are able to consistently win. They play to 689 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 1: their strengths and they don't worry about what it looks 690 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 1: like on the outside. 691 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. No, it's one hundred percent of who they are. 692 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 2: All right, Let's let's swing back over to the NFC 693 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 2: San Francisco Tampa Bay A good game, right was referencing 694 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 2: all these good games earlier in that early early window 695 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 2: here twenty three to twenty the Niners end up getting 696 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 2: a win. Now, look, I think you can find a 697 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,240 Speaker 2: lot to be encouraged about both sides of this thing. 698 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 2: But I would think we buck don't. We have to 699 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 2: give brock Purty some love first and foremost with the 700 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 2: way he played in this ball game. 701 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,680 Speaker 1: Absolutely, you have to give him love because even though 702 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 1: you know the return of CMC is going to be celebrated, 703 00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 1: and some other things that you talked about in the game, 704 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 1: rock Purdy being able to kind of shake off some 705 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 1: questionable performances of Lady to be able to play the 706 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 1: way that he played. You talk about this guy being 707 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 1: able to do it because everyone always thinks it's the 708 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 1: supporting cast. It really makes him. But I think we 709 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 1: have to acknowledge that Brock Pardy has some special stuff 710 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,440 Speaker 1: that worked within this offense, and when he plays the 711 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,200 Speaker 1: way that he played, this team can hang with anybody. Now, 712 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 1: they got to fix the kicking situation because they can't 713 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 1: keep missing multiple field goals and think that they're gonna 714 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 1: win games. We also don't wanted to keep missing so 715 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 1: Debo isn't throat playing long snapper. But if they can 716 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,960 Speaker 1: get that part together, the San Francisco forty nine and 717 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 1: certainly our formidable foe if you have to face him 718 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 1: in the early rounds of the playoffs. 719 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 4: I think that throw is my favorite that we just 720 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 4: saw down to Christian McCaffrey on the right sideline. There 721 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,560 Speaker 4: was just kind of rusher in his face, a little 722 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 4: bit off balance. That's what those are, the kind of 723 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 4: throws that make you go with Brock Purdy like, Okay, yeah, no, 724 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 4: this is not just you know, wind him up in 725 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,080 Speaker 4: this offense and let him go like he is he 726 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 4: is autonomous or you know, he not autonomous. He's able 727 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 4: to kind of make some of these decisions, make these throws, 728 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 4: these big. 729 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:08,120 Speaker 3: Time plays on his own. He got to give him 730 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 3: credit for that. 731 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 4: But the kicking thing was interesting to me, right, you know, 732 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 4: none of these kicks were gimmis or not none of them, 733 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,400 Speaker 4: but most of them were, you know, deeper kicks in 734 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,160 Speaker 4: the forties fifty missed three of them. He was two 735 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 4: for five when they sent him back out for the 736 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 4: game winner, which was Jake Moody's. 737 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:24,960 Speaker 3: Sixth field goal of the day. 738 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 4: And right before that, it was Debo there it is 739 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 4: gonna yelling, hey, what are we doing? Here, like let's 740 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 4: stop missing field goals and Taper Pepper the long snappers 741 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,840 Speaker 4: like you get talking to us that way like we're 742 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 4: all due, we can here, we're trying to make it 743 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:47,000 Speaker 4: and maybe inadvertently that ended up refocusing the specialist outfie. 744 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 3: Look at Debot take it two for one right there. 745 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 4: Moody kind of caught the shrapnel off Pepper Pepper's chin, 746 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 4: but you look it ended o moregon. 747 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 3: I think they're no worse for the wear with it. 748 00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 4: And as Kyle Shanahan said, we'll go back to loving 749 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 4: each other, you know when we get when we land, 750 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 4: and if it's not already fixed, you know, now I'll 751 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 4: go fix it on the plane. So I think this 752 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,520 Speaker 4: is kind of an interesting, you know, moment of reckoning 753 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 4: for for the forty nine ers. They get McCaffrey back, 754 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,760 Speaker 4: they overcome some adversity, Purdy has a really nice game, 755 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,960 Speaker 4: and now let's see where this thing takes them in 756 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:22,239 Speaker 4: a very wild NFC West right Buck. 757 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 2: I don't know if you know this, but Antoine Randall 758 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,840 Speaker 2: l which took a swipe at htt for him not 759 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,239 Speaker 2: having a perfect hold, you know, like that was that 760 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,240 Speaker 2: was one of the more one of more legendary plays 761 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 2: in Indiana history before they want to this pain run 762 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 2: right now? 763 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:39,040 Speaker 3: No, no, no, not not quite, not your area. It 764 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:43,799 Speaker 3: was I was, I was. I was red shirting at 765 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:44,320 Speaker 3: that point. 766 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 4: So I was on the sideline watching Antoine Randall l 767 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:49,920 Speaker 4: juke everybody out of their socks. 768 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:52,520 Speaker 2: H They don't put up with that stuff with the 769 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,239 Speaker 2: specialist man. They don't know. You guys are not that 770 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,359 Speaker 2: practice the whole time. I mean, it's just, you know, 771 00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 2: it drives people nuts a little bit with that stuff. 772 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:02,560 Speaker 2: All right, well, there you go. That's a big win 773 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:10,480 Speaker 2: there for Jake Moody and the forty nine ers. All right, guys, 774 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:15,400 Speaker 2: New England Chicago. Two rookie quarterbacks, two quarterbacks headed in 775 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:19,759 Speaker 2: the opposite direction. Drake May was excellent in this game. 776 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 2: The numbers don't blow you away. Fifteen to twenty five 777 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,760 Speaker 2: a buck eighty four with touchdown a pick, but really 778 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 2: really made some big plays, showed poise, showed command. I 779 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,080 Speaker 2: just thought he looked like he's, you know, just continue 780 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,839 Speaker 2: to get better and better. Kayleb Williams sixteen for thirty 781 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 2: a buck twenty and I want to start. Let's start 782 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,520 Speaker 2: on the Caleb side of things and we'll turn around 783 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,239 Speaker 2: and we'll give Drake his his love. I tweeted this 784 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,600 Speaker 2: out and Buck, I'll get your thoughts on it, but 785 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:46,960 Speaker 2: this was my This was my tweet that I fired 786 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,040 Speaker 2: off after I watched this stuff this morning. Biggest issue 787 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,920 Speaker 2: for Caleb Williams right now. He's playing tentative, he's not 788 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,759 Speaker 2: cutting it loose, he's trying too hard to avoid mistakes, 789 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,279 Speaker 2: and he's guiding the football. It's almost like it's been 790 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,719 Speaker 2: beat into him. Don't screw up. This ol isn't good. 791 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:03,640 Speaker 2: But that's a bigger problem right now. 792 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, DJ, It's one of the things that 793 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,799 Speaker 1: I think too offense happens. We draft players and then 794 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,000 Speaker 1: we're trying to change them from who they are. Hyley 795 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,960 Speaker 1: Williams was always going to be a high risk player 796 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,240 Speaker 1: based on how you played at USC and the success 797 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,319 Speaker 1: that he's had. What you try to get him to 798 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 1: do is to play with that same mindset, but just 799 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,759 Speaker 1: to make smarter decisions where you just don't make the 800 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:30,359 Speaker 1: egregious errors. But if you try to take someone who 801 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,080 Speaker 1: was a gunslinger like that and make him a game manager, 802 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,879 Speaker 1: you take away all of the special qualities that made 803 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,879 Speaker 1: them the number one overall pick. Now, some people will say, man, 804 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,279 Speaker 1: that's what happens when you have a defensive minded head 805 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,759 Speaker 1: coach that is in charge of a number one overall pick. 806 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:45,719 Speaker 1: But I don't think it's that. I think it's a 807 00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:49,319 Speaker 1: conversation within the building. At some point, he has to 808 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,839 Speaker 1: understand where the boundaries are and you have to live 809 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 1: through some of those mistakes to get to the other side. 810 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,600 Speaker 1: And for Kayleb Williams, you hope today able to do 811 00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,799 Speaker 1: it with this regime, but it may be someone else 812 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,839 Speaker 1: who comes in there who teaches him how to toe 813 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,479 Speaker 1: the line without going to over the line and when 814 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,680 Speaker 1: he can risk it and when he needs a dollar back. 815 00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,680 Speaker 1: Because that's especially Kayleb Williams that everyone fell in love 816 00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:12,480 Speaker 1: with during a predive process. 817 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:14,719 Speaker 4: I mean, I think the you know, the way you 818 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:18,319 Speaker 4: see what you're talking about, DJ is just holding onto 819 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:22,239 Speaker 4: the football like trying to find the perfect throw right, 820 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:27,560 Speaker 4: You're trying to find just riggershot. And I was sitting 821 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,200 Speaker 4: next to you know, David Carr on an NFL game 822 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,000 Speaker 4: Day final last night. I feel like you're sitting there 823 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,680 Speaker 4: like itching his arm, like every time we showed the highlights, 824 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:39,280 Speaker 4: you know, just get sacked, sacked. 825 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,719 Speaker 3: Nine sacks in this game. Like that's not all on 826 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:42,480 Speaker 3: the offensive line. 827 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:42,799 Speaker 2: I get it. 828 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,680 Speaker 4: The only finish with six healthy offensive lineman Tevin Jenkins, 829 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:50,280 Speaker 4: you know, unfortunately seemingly goes down in every game and 830 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,719 Speaker 4: they're forced to shuffle the deck and there's no continuity 831 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,040 Speaker 4: up there, and there's no continuity in the way that 832 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:57,200 Speaker 4: the Caleb's playing. 833 00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:58,360 Speaker 3: Like they we had that three. 834 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,600 Speaker 4: Week you know spell where we all right, maybe starting 835 00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:03,480 Speaker 4: to kind of figure things out here, and then all 836 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,760 Speaker 4: of a sudden, we've just completely gone off the rails 837 00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,000 Speaker 4: old in the football taking sacks and then when he 838 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:10,719 Speaker 4: does get it out, I mean, like you know, one 839 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:12,960 Speaker 4: hops the one to DJ Moore out on the side. 840 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:17,200 Speaker 4: It's just it's all contributing, right, They're all factors. 841 00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,440 Speaker 2: DJ, Yeah, you can see it. I charted it. I mean, 842 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,400 Speaker 2: I thought there were three clear beats up front. So 843 00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,840 Speaker 2: of all those sacks, they were clear. You got a 844 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,560 Speaker 2: personnel issue, you got beat up front, you take the sack. 845 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,440 Speaker 2: The others either there was a hot that was missed 846 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,120 Speaker 2: where they've got clearly they're sending more than you can block. 847 00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:34,520 Speaker 2: You've got to get the ball to your hands. You 848 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,080 Speaker 2: have to have that awareness they're coming, and other ones 849 00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,920 Speaker 2: are just him not letting it rip. You've got one 850 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,440 Speaker 2: on ones. You've got to let that thing go. And 851 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,000 Speaker 2: then when you talk about like some of the misses 852 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,520 Speaker 2: he has throws in this game, you can see him. 853 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,840 Speaker 2: There are instances where he lets it rip and you 854 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:54,040 Speaker 2: can watch it, and they'll be quarterback coaches that you 855 00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,000 Speaker 2: know are going to be far more advanced than me 856 00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,520 Speaker 2: on this stuff. And I know they all put out 857 00:38:58,600 --> 00:38:59,960 Speaker 2: videos and you can watch them all, and I'm sure 858 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:01,200 Speaker 2: there's a lot of value there. I can tell you 859 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:05,239 Speaker 2: a simple thing just from scouting side of things. Fuck, 860 00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,440 Speaker 2: his arm speed changes when you when you when you 861 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,520 Speaker 2: see somebody who's trying to be too fine, who doesn't 862 00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,040 Speaker 2: want to make a mistake, they guide the ball and 863 00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:17,640 Speaker 2: their arm speed slows down. He is a he's a whippy, 864 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,879 Speaker 2: explosive thrower. And there's there's a couple in this game 865 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:22,440 Speaker 2: where you'll see him. You'll see the ball come out 866 00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,120 Speaker 2: and it's it's firm and it's on target. And then 867 00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,160 Speaker 2: there's other times you see him just guide the ball. 868 00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,280 Speaker 2: He's just slowing it down, trying to guide the ball, 869 00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,839 Speaker 2: and he has no earthly idea where it's going when 870 00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:33,920 Speaker 2: he does that. And it's sad to see a guy 871 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:37,879 Speaker 2: who's a natural thrower be so inside his head as 872 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,279 Speaker 2: he is right now, because that the way he's throwing 873 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,160 Speaker 2: the ball is not natural. That's not how he's always 874 00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,919 Speaker 2: throwing the football. And instead of saying, you know, because 875 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,240 Speaker 2: we can look at the defensive coach side of things, well, 876 00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,680 Speaker 2: the number two overall pick is with a defensive coach, 877 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,359 Speaker 2: he's doing great. The guy he played against in this game. 878 00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,560 Speaker 2: The number three or overall picks are the defensive coach, 879 00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,120 Speaker 2: and he's doing quite well. So you can't just say 880 00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,319 Speaker 2: it's just a defensive coach. Now, I will see there's 881 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,239 Speaker 2: a difference between being a defensive coach and being a 882 00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,520 Speaker 2: defensive dominant team, like we wouldn't think of New England 883 00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:10,360 Speaker 2: right now personnel wise, and Washington is having great defenses, 884 00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,680 Speaker 2: whereas in Chicago, I could see saying, hey, we have 885 00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,319 Speaker 2: this unbelievable defense. Just don't screw it up, don't turn 886 00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,680 Speaker 2: the ball over, take sacks, drives it ins and punts 887 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:22,200 Speaker 2: and kicks are good. We'll win games. Versus you know, hey, 888 00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:23,879 Speaker 2: look we got to score points to win games. We're 889 00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,279 Speaker 2: gonna live with whatever mistakes you make, but like, hey, 890 00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,439 Speaker 2: we're not holding people to, you know, to ten points 891 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,040 Speaker 2: a game, So you go out there and do it. 892 00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,640 Speaker 2: And I almost wish that, And I don't know this 893 00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,560 Speaker 2: was the case, but I almost wish that if you're 894 00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:39,400 Speaker 2: an eber Flus's shoes buck, if the mindset isn't hey, 895 00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,399 Speaker 2: we got a great defense, you know what that means. Hey, 896 00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:44,200 Speaker 2: if you see it rip, it takes some time. Yay, 897 00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,040 Speaker 2: we'll turn the ball over our defense, we're gonna get 898 00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:47,880 Speaker 2: a stop, we'll get off the field, we'll get you 899 00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:49,360 Speaker 2: back out there. But like, we're going to live with 900 00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,399 Speaker 2: some of that stuff because that's what makes you you. 901 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,120 Speaker 2: But be aggressive, be that type of guy. And I 902 00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:58,480 Speaker 2: say that as someone who I've seen in Jim Harbaugh 903 00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,560 Speaker 2: being around the Chargers Quinton Johnston. I've seen a player 904 00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,759 Speaker 2: whose confidence was was very low last year, and I've 905 00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,920 Speaker 2: seen a coach just speak confidence into this kid, and 906 00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:09,879 Speaker 2: I've seen him get so much better and now it's 907 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,400 Speaker 2: it's like a totally different football player. And so I 908 00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,759 Speaker 2: just I don't I'm anti don't screw up coaching. And 909 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:16,200 Speaker 2: I don't know if that's the case, but that's what 910 00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:17,560 Speaker 2: it looks like from the outside. 911 00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:22,640 Speaker 1: Okay, here's the case where subconsciously that message that subconstantly, 912 00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:24,840 Speaker 1: that message maybe getting to Kaya Williams because you have 913 00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,920 Speaker 1: Matt Eberflus is basically coaching for his job. If you 914 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,279 Speaker 1: have security, you know that you're gonna be around, you're 915 00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,879 Speaker 1: more likely to encourage the young players to play through 916 00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,480 Speaker 1: those mistakes. But when you are on the last year 917 00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,600 Speaker 1: of your deal and the results are everything, it's hard 918 00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,759 Speaker 1: to be process oriented, even though you may want to 919 00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:46,600 Speaker 1: be that for your young quarterback. And when the results matter, 920 00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,120 Speaker 1: like they matter for Matt Eberflus because he's going to 921 00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:52,280 Speaker 1: be evaluated at the end of the season, he probably 922 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,360 Speaker 1: is not encouraging Kayla Williams to a go let it go, 923 00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,879 Speaker 1: we'll get figured out or whatever. But by not doing that, 924 00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,080 Speaker 1: he's not getting the best version of Caleb Williams because 925 00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,919 Speaker 1: the one thing that you can't do, you can't play 926 00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,680 Speaker 1: the game afraid to be great, and right now, Kayla 927 00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,040 Speaker 1: Williams is afraid to be great because he doesn't want 928 00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:10,680 Speaker 1: to mess it up. 929 00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:12,560 Speaker 4: I think you guys nailed it on that. I just 930 00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:18,280 Speaker 4: it just doesn't feel like they are in sync. Really offense, defense, 931 00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,840 Speaker 4: like along the coaching staff and all of that is 932 00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:22,000 Speaker 4: getting to the quarterback here. 933 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it is, and I've seen it. I've just 934 00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:26,640 Speaker 2: seen it with other young quarterbacks. 935 00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:28,239 Speaker 1: It's a look. 936 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,319 Speaker 2: Hopefully they have time, they can get it corrected and 937 00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:32,400 Speaker 2: he can play more free, play it more loose, and 938 00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,000 Speaker 2: kind of get back to being who he was coming out, 939 00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,399 Speaker 2: because it's a rough watch at this point in time. 940 00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,399 Speaker 2: Speaking of rough watches, the Jets have just they've they're 941 00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,800 Speaker 2: circling the drain man and it's been terrible. The Arizona Cardinals, 942 00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,000 Speaker 2: on the other hand, I want to give them some flowers. 943 00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:47,600 Speaker 2: I remember the Chargers going in there and losing that 944 00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,160 Speaker 2: game and thinking, oh gosh, they blew one against the Cardinals. 945 00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:52,120 Speaker 2: All of a sudden, you look up and the Cardinals now 946 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,160 Speaker 2: they're playing really well and they've they've got some good 947 00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:58,000 Speaker 2: wins too. When you go through and look at what 948 00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:01,040 Speaker 2: they've been able to accomplish this year. Beat some good teams. 949 00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,399 Speaker 2: They've beaten the Rams, they've beaten the Chargers, they've beaten 950 00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:08,239 Speaker 2: the Niners. And Kyler is ultra ultra efficient with the 951 00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,719 Speaker 2: way he's playing Buck. I mean, this is this is 952 00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:12,799 Speaker 2: a winning formula that they've found there. They play really 953 00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,839 Speaker 2: hard on defense. James Connor can run it in this game. 954 00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:17,839 Speaker 2: You saw he can make some plays the past game 955 00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:21,160 Speaker 2: as well. McBride's a stud. They're figuring out Harrison how 956 00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:25,239 Speaker 2: to use him. It's it's a team that's getting better. 957 00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,120 Speaker 2: I think this is one of the best coach teams 958 00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:28,480 Speaker 2: that I've seen this year. I think they do a 959 00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:29,880 Speaker 2: great job with that staff. 960 00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, give Jonathan Gannon a lot of credit for those 961 00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,239 Speaker 1: guys being able to figure out Drew Pelsick and those 962 00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,879 Speaker 1: guys on the offense certainly helping Kyler Murray, I would say, 963 00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:44,240 Speaker 1: be maybe the best version that we've seen of himself 964 00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,920 Speaker 1: in this game at the position, because what you eventually 965 00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,440 Speaker 1: want to see from your dual threat quarterback, you want 966 00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,279 Speaker 1: to see them mature and evolve and it becomes less 967 00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,879 Speaker 1: about their overreliance on their legs and more about selectively 968 00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:59,280 Speaker 1: using the athleticism to create big plays when those plays 969 00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,919 Speaker 1: are there or when they're needed. Kyler Murray is doing 970 00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,560 Speaker 1: that very efficient in the pocket as a passer, but 971 00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:06,520 Speaker 1: every now and then he gets on the edges and 972 00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:08,920 Speaker 1: he's able to give you things on either design runs 973 00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,960 Speaker 1: or scrambles, and as this defense is beginning to play well, 974 00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,640 Speaker 1: they're learning how to play complimentary football. I can't say 975 00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:18,960 Speaker 1: enough good things about the Arizona car and the way 976 00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:22,320 Speaker 1: that they're getting it done. Underrated, flying under the radar, 977 00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:24,319 Speaker 1: But this is a team that is going to kind 978 00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:27,920 Speaker 1: of backdoor into the playoffs and potentially do some damage 979 00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:29,560 Speaker 1: when they get there because the quarterback is that good 980 00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:30,839 Speaker 1: and the defensive playing really well. 981 00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:34,359 Speaker 3: It's a couple of rookies, you know. Here in this game. 982 00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,160 Speaker 4: Obviously, Marvin Harrison comes up with the touchdown reception. He's 983 00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:39,440 Speaker 4: now at six to lead all rookies after you know, 984 00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:41,520 Speaker 4: it's kind of a slower start, and there have been 985 00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:45,400 Speaker 4: lulls the course of these ten weeks right for Marvin Harrison, 986 00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,480 Speaker 4: but he's becoming that player that you thought he was 987 00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:49,799 Speaker 4: going to be. Don't look now, but Trey Benson is 988 00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,960 Speaker 4: showing up right, and look, James Connor is still kind 989 00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:54,880 Speaker 4: of the guy in that run game. But Trey Benson 990 00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:58,840 Speaker 4: six yards of pop and has showcasing some explosiveness which 991 00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:00,960 Speaker 4: is kind of fun to want. Which now along with 992 00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:02,920 Speaker 4: Kyler Murray who seems like he could take it whenever 993 00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,800 Speaker 4: he wants it on the ground. And then just another 994 00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:07,600 Speaker 4: shout out to a guy that you and I Bucky 995 00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:11,800 Speaker 4: saw in Frisco, Texas at the Shrine Bowl, Rabbit taylored Emerson, 996 00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:15,680 Speaker 4: the Texas tech dB comes in in a big spot 997 00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:17,800 Speaker 4: and has a big time game, gets his hands on 998 00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:19,920 Speaker 4: a couple of balls, and is one of their better 999 00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,120 Speaker 4: dvs on the day. So that I thought, you know, 1000 00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,080 Speaker 4: it's all kind of coming together really with some of 1001 00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,400 Speaker 4: these young players mixing with a nice group of vets. 1002 00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've done a nice job there, a really nice 1003 00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,000 Speaker 2: job there. So MANI doing a good jobs GM there 1004 00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,279 Speaker 2: money awesome for it. Good dude, and who's brought in 1005 00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,640 Speaker 2: a lot of talented players. All about your game? Jaggs 1006 00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,000 Speaker 2: hung in there with the Vikings. Not a pretty game 1007 00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:41,879 Speaker 2: from the Vikings standpoint. What'd you see on the Jag 1008 00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:42,920 Speaker 2: side of things? 1009 00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,600 Speaker 1: Well, look, I mean the jack side of thing. I 1010 00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:49,400 Speaker 1: think it's tough when you're a team is struggling. You 1011 00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,759 Speaker 1: got your backup quarterback in in mac Jones, and mac 1012 00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,440 Speaker 1: Jones certainly couldn't perform at the level that maybe they 1013 00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:57,479 Speaker 1: expected you would get when you had Trevor Lawrence in there. 1014 00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,480 Speaker 1: And I think the familiar theme remains the same. When 1015 00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:05,240 Speaker 1: you're dealing with the Minnesota Vikings. The relentless pressure forces 1016 00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:09,120 Speaker 1: most quarterbacks and play callers to wilt. It's the barrage 1017 00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:14,360 Speaker 1: of overload pressures and simulated pressures and just trying to 1018 00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:18,560 Speaker 1: figure out all the stuff. It's not only physically taxing 1019 00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,239 Speaker 1: to take those hits, but mentally taxing to figure out 1020 00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,280 Speaker 1: what they're doing. And because there's such an experienced crew 1021 00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:26,120 Speaker 1: in the back end, in particularly because you have Stefan 1022 00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:29,720 Speaker 1: Gilmore playing, Arison Smith playing, you have Shag Griffin jumping 1023 00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:32,440 Speaker 1: in and some of the sub packages, they're able to 1024 00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,840 Speaker 1: do some advanced stuff when it comes to pre snap 1025 00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:39,520 Speaker 1: disguises and post snap movement just to really put together defense. 1026 00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:41,719 Speaker 1: And I can talk about the Jag playing hard and 1027 00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:43,640 Speaker 1: doing all that, but the Vikings are going to be 1028 00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:45,480 Speaker 1: one of those teams that's a thorn on your side, 1029 00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,920 Speaker 1: not because of their offense, but because their defenses that could. 1030 00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:53,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's not a great day from Sam in 1031 00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:56,839 Speaker 2: company offensively, but the defense carried them on that one. 1032 00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,040 Speaker 2: The Vikings end up getting a big win. Let's get 1033 00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:02,640 Speaker 2: to the game. I was at Chargeargers Titans Chargers kind 1034 00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:04,080 Speaker 2: of did what you're supposed to do when you're playing 1035 00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:06,200 Speaker 2: a two win team. They just kind of handled them. 1036 00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:08,160 Speaker 2: They see the score there, twenty seven to seventeen. It 1037 00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,840 Speaker 2: wasn't really that close. The Titans got a garbage touchdown 1038 00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,479 Speaker 2: late in this ballgame after going right down the field 1039 00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:15,720 Speaker 2: in their first drive in scoring. Then the Chargers defense 1040 00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:17,640 Speaker 2: just kind of stiffened up. They didn't give up anything, 1041 00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,719 Speaker 2: you know, after that great saucy nug by, the way 1042 00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:25,080 Speaker 2: seven straight starts, no interceptions for Justin Herbert, he's protecting 1043 00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:28,040 Speaker 2: the football. I was talking to somebody about this, you know, 1044 00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:29,759 Speaker 2: they're talking about the offensive line with the Chargers, and 1045 00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,040 Speaker 2: I said, look, they've invested in those two offensive tackles, 1046 00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:35,280 Speaker 2: two first rounders, two top you know, top tier guys 1047 00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:37,799 Speaker 2: with Slater and then with Joe Walt playing the way 1048 00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,600 Speaker 2: he's playing. But I'm like even the interior, you know, 1049 00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:42,920 Speaker 2: you look at some guys. There's Zion Johnson was a 1050 00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,879 Speaker 2: high pick, but Bozman didn't cost much as a free agent. 1051 00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,280 Speaker 2: You had as you see in this tape here, Jamari 1052 00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:50,880 Speaker 2: saw your filling Infra trait Pipkins at guard. I mean, 1053 00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:52,920 Speaker 2: it's not like this is like five all pros all 1054 00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:54,759 Speaker 2: the way across the line. But when you look at it, 1055 00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:56,440 Speaker 2: I mean the way they throw the ball like eighteen 1056 00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,640 Speaker 2: times in this game. So you throw it eighteen times, 1057 00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,120 Speaker 2: let's say, let's say six of those are off play 1058 00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,880 Speaker 2: action where you've got an extra blocker, you've got another 1059 00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,880 Speaker 2: three or four screens baked in, you move the pocket 1060 00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,880 Speaker 2: on boots for another two or like. He's not asking 1061 00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,200 Speaker 2: these guys to sit there and hold up and pass 1062 00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:17,440 Speaker 2: pro for forty five fifty snaps. And that's what the 1063 00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:21,600 Speaker 2: Chargers offense has been since Herbert got there. So you 1064 00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:23,520 Speaker 2: saw it with the way he was running in this game. 1065 00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:26,680 Speaker 2: He's going to be fresh coming down the stretch in 1066 00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:29,040 Speaker 2: the second half. And now when you find yourself in 1067 00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:30,960 Speaker 2: this portion of the schedule where they have coming in 1068 00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:33,400 Speaker 2: Cincinnati on Sunday night followed by the Ravens on a 1069 00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:36,400 Speaker 2: Monday night, they're gonna, you know, they're gonna have to 1070 00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,560 Speaker 2: They're gonna have to ask more of justin Herbert. But 1071 00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:40,600 Speaker 2: I think you know able to preserve him in games 1072 00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:42,000 Speaker 2: like this. They haven't been able to do that in 1073 00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:45,360 Speaker 2: the past. So a good win there for the Chargers, 1074 00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,160 Speaker 2: all right. Rhtt we this is a game I knew 1075 00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:50,440 Speaker 2: you were super excited about. It's the last one we 1076 00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:51,840 Speaker 2: have here. Giants Panthers. 1077 00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:56,400 Speaker 4: Your thoughts, Man, it's just a tough watch with the 1078 00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,800 Speaker 4: Giants offense, you know, and it does make me wonder, 1079 00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:01,560 Speaker 4: like where where did things go? 1080 00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:02,000 Speaker 3: You know? 1081 00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:04,799 Speaker 4: Two years ago we're talking about this Giants team making 1082 00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,960 Speaker 4: a playoff push and winning a playoff game with you know, 1083 00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,200 Speaker 4: a lot of the same faces and and some that 1084 00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:13,560 Speaker 4: that aren't there that are you know, like Milik Neighbors, 1085 00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:15,440 Speaker 4: who's you know, probably better than who was there at 1086 00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:17,960 Speaker 4: the time. You know, Tyrone Tracy has fallen into a 1087 00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:21,319 Speaker 4: nice role here, but you know, unfortunately there's one you know, 1088 00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:23,719 Speaker 4: kind of turnover he's directly involved with, and the other 1089 00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:26,759 Speaker 4: one was just, man, you just feel for it, you know, 1090 00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:30,200 Speaker 4: the first play of overtime and they just cough it up. 1091 00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:31,600 Speaker 4: I mean, that's kind of been the story of the 1092 00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,880 Speaker 4: Giant season. It just makes you wonder, like they have 1093 00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:38,360 Speaker 4: been preaching patients there in New York, especially with Daniel 1094 00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:42,640 Speaker 4: Jones and now Brian Dabole is saying when directly asked, 1095 00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:45,719 Speaker 4: we're evaluating everything and that's a hard place to be 1096 00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:47,600 Speaker 4: for a Giants team that was in the postseason two 1097 00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:48,080 Speaker 4: years ago. 1098 00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:52,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's also it's also buck a little bit 1099 00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:55,239 Speaker 2: of a you know, a warning sign for some of 1100 00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,200 Speaker 2: these some of these contracts. I was, I was at 1101 00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:59,319 Speaker 2: a wedding this last weekend, and so you're at a wedding, 1102 00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:00,600 Speaker 2: You're talking to a lot of people, and you get 1103 00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:02,600 Speaker 2: into a lot of stories about how you met your spouse, 1104 00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:04,080 Speaker 2: and you know, all this kind of stuff, and the 1105 00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:06,600 Speaker 2: topic came up of like, yeah, yeah, we just knew, 1106 00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:08,640 Speaker 2: like when we were together, we just knew this was 1107 00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:10,560 Speaker 2: your person, you know. And I thought, you know, it's 1108 00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:12,799 Speaker 2: kind of like a quarterback, like if you have to 1109 00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,880 Speaker 2: ask yourself is he worth? Is he worth the second contract? 1110 00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:18,560 Speaker 2: If you have to debate that you probably shouldn't marry 1111 00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:21,759 Speaker 2: that person. Yeah, you probably shouldn't marry that person. And 1112 00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,200 Speaker 2: I think of, you know, that's that's one of those 1113 00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:28,080 Speaker 2: conversations that took place. So we'll see. I think it 1114 00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:31,359 Speaker 2: makes a lot of sense for them to maybe look 1115 00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:34,360 Speaker 2: at somebody else also because of the injury guarantee with 1116 00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:37,279 Speaker 2: the contracts. So we'll see what they do when they 1117 00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:38,960 Speaker 2: get a chance to reevaluate. But I have yet to 1118 00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,360 Speaker 2: hear a coach say, we're going to reevaluate everything and 1119 00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:43,839 Speaker 2: then decide, know what actually better than we thought. We're 1120 00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,439 Speaker 2: gonna stay the course. We're gonna stay the course. 1121 00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:46,640 Speaker 1: There. 1122 00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:49,520 Speaker 2: Don't recall that ever happening. All right, we got through 1123 00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:51,839 Speaker 2: all the games boys. Nice work. This was a fun 1124 00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:54,560 Speaker 2: one week ten. Appreciate you guys hanging with us. We 1125 00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:57,359 Speaker 2: will see you next time. Right here on move the. 1126 00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:04,320 Speaker 1: Sticks located 1127 00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:14,560 Speaker 3: Before Unity