1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: Sports Radio. They're looking at forty yard dash times for 3 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:09,640 Speaker 1: some of the great receivers of all time. Larry Fitzgerald 4 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: was at four sixty three, Jerry rice A four seven one, 5 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: Chris Carter of four sixty three, an Quon Bolden four 6 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: point seven, and Chad Johnson four point five seven. Who 7 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: else is in here? Hines Ward to four five, Brandon 8 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:31,319 Speaker 1: Marshall four five days, Brian of four five. So we 9 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 1: get caught up in those measurables. Man, they could be 10 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 1: dangerous because you can talk yourself into some player. And 11 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: I mentioned John Ross. John Ross, one of the fastest 12 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: players who's ever played in the NFL. Didn't mean anything, 13 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 1: had great speed, it was just, man, that guy's wide open. 14 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:50,240 Speaker 1: That guy who can't catch, he's wide open. Chris Simms, 15 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 1: Pro Football Talk Live, co host, NBC Sports NFL analyst, 16 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: Let's start where we left off with Cooper Cup value wise, 17 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 1: not talking about you know, Davante Adams talent or DeAndre 18 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 1: hop you know, any of that, just value to his team. 19 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 1: Where does Cooper Cup rank this year in your opinion? Well, 20 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:13,759 Speaker 1: it's up there. First off, like the talent, things real, 21 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 1: like people gotta stopt short changing the guy. You know, 22 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: what about the talent's not real? How many? How many 23 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 1: fifty yard catches do we have to see him run 24 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: by everybody where we go? You know what, he is fast? 25 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:26,320 Speaker 1: I mean, I know he's white and he ran a 26 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 1: four or six of the combine, but he's fast like 27 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, but he legitimately is. And you 28 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:32,960 Speaker 1: made a great point there with some of the names 29 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 1: you talked about. You know, again, not everybody is great 30 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 1: or was taught the right way to run the forty 31 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 1: that's more times or not. What happens to those guys 32 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: now value to the team? Dan, You know, as far 33 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: as non quarterbacks are concerned, yeah, it's up there with 34 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: you know, I think a Davante Adams, Deebo Samuel Jonathan Taylor. 35 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: I think you put it in that list right there. 36 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: I'd go those are probably the three most non you know, 37 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: important quarterbacks in football really and of course come from 38 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: that you know, Shanahan coaching trade where they know how 39 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: to feature a guy. But he can do everything. You know, 40 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 1: I don't know, have you ever met Cooper cup or 41 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:11,079 Speaker 1: seeing him in person? Then no, he's bigger than you think. 42 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: You know, he really is. He's six one six two ish, 43 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: you know. And of course, yes, the quickness is real. 44 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: The smarts and evaluating coverage and all that are really good. 45 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: But the talent's real too, it is. And and they 46 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 1: know how to you know, get it all out of them, 47 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 1: that's for sure. But I want quickness over speed. Yeah, 48 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 1: I hear you at every position, Like I want my 49 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:34,799 Speaker 1: running back to be quick to get to the whole. 50 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: I want my lineman to be able to be quick 51 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 1: to get out in space or my wide receivers. I 52 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: love quickness. Speed can take a while. And what do 53 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 1: you do with that speed? Quickness? I can you're talking 54 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: about Yeah, you're talking about like acceleration, right, like you 55 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 1: want you want more acceleration two out of that quickness importance. Certainly, 56 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: acceleration is probably the most important thing you can talk 57 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: about at times. Yes, there's no doubt about that. Hey, 58 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: you can get awesome though, like a guy like where 59 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: I know, I mis evaluated coming out in the draft, 60 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: and I always kind of call this like the Peter 61 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: Wark syndrome, a little bit like the Clyde Edwards Hilaire. Right, 62 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:12,799 Speaker 1: he's very quick, you know, but there is a speed 63 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: element that misses to where hey makes a guy miss. 64 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 1: He makes a guy miss, but the first guy he 65 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: made miss already caught him from behind to tackle him 66 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 1: because he's not fast enough. But yeah, there has to 67 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: be a certain blend. And I agree with you more 68 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: times than not. You know that acceleration quickness factor is 69 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 1: probably more important than anything. You say goodbye to the 70 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 1: Seattle Seahawks playoff hopes here, as if they had any 71 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 1: real hopes there. But are we also saying goodbye to 72 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: the partnership of Pete Carroll and Russell Wilson. It seems that. 73 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: And again I have no inside info here or anything 74 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: like that. I'm not trying to break news. But you know, again, 75 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 1: I think you just you look at the you know, 76 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: read between the lines, whatever the writing on the wall. 77 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: It seems that way when you couple that together what 78 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: Russell said to you last year after the Super Bowl, 79 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: when the off season. I know people close to the 80 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: situation who also believe that's very much on his radar. 81 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 1: How could he how could he be content with what's 82 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: going on there right now? That's all I can say. 83 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 1: I mean, either he gets out of there or he 84 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:16,600 Speaker 1: stays and maybe Pete Carroll is out of there, or 85 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: maybe Pete finally makes an adjustment and says, okay, hey, 86 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 1: I'll get an offense and run an offense that you 87 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:25,039 Speaker 1: really want to run. But you know, again, he's not 88 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 1: playing his best football. I know that. But how many 89 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: plays did we watch last night where I think I've 90 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 1: had fun with you before? You know, yeah, you go straight, 91 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 1: you go straight, and you go straight down the middle. 92 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: There's there's lack of creativity, there's lack of easy ways 93 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:41,479 Speaker 1: to get the ball into their playmakers hands. There's issues 94 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: with that offense. And I can't imagine that Russell Wilson's 95 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 1: happy with the style of play in which they're playing 96 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: with right now or even towards the end of last year. 97 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: Could you see the Giants actually going all in on 98 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson because that's a rebuild here. You know, Barkley, 99 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 1: you got some receivers, like you have some guys who 100 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: can be good, right are you? Are you moving on 101 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: from Daniel Jones? Are you gonna move on from se Quon? 102 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,480 Speaker 1: You got to bolster the offensive, Like if I'm Russ, 103 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go Okay, wait a minute, now, I'm going 104 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:17,279 Speaker 1: into that situation. I know, yeah, there there's probably better situations. Now. 105 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 1: It is New York, and you know, I think there's 106 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: there is a thought out there that you know, he 107 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:23,799 Speaker 1: and his wife would love to be in that big market. 108 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: But yeah, you're gonna have offensive line issues. You talk about, 109 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:28,720 Speaker 1: it's it's there's a lot of ifs there with New 110 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 1: York right now. The other thing I would go is, 111 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 1: you know, I guess i'd have to see New York 112 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: actually go that route of type of quarterback. You know, 113 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 1: they have a little bit of the Giants, Bill Parcels 114 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: have that. Belichick believe they kind of want that traditional 115 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: pocket passer quarterback. Even when I worked in New England, 116 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 1: it really there was a checklist as far as what 117 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:52,479 Speaker 1: you wanted at the quarterback position, as far as size 118 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 1: and all the attributes to go along with it. So 119 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: I'm not sure if I think that's a match made 120 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: in Heaven on either side there. You know, Dolphins are 121 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:02,119 Speaker 1: certainly one of those. I'd still throw in the mix. 122 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 1: The Broncos, as we've talked about, they're going to be 123 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 1: in Quarterbackville at the end of the year. That'd be 124 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:09,480 Speaker 1: one that I would intrigue me if I'm a quarterback. 125 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: They got the receivers, The offensive line certainly got better 126 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: this year. They got a pretty good running back. I mean, 127 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 1: that would be another one that jumps out, But I 128 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: don't know that Giants one. I guess I got, you know, 129 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 1: questions about that one. Damn. How good are the Rams? 130 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 1: How dangerous are They're dangerous as hell? I don't know 131 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 1: how good they are. I don't know if they've played 132 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: their best football as of yet. You know, you saw 133 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 1: the game last night. Good, not great. You know there's 134 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:41,839 Speaker 1: just a super Bowl polish that's missing from them right now. 135 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: You know again, I know they've won three in a 136 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 1: row and they've righted the ship to a degree. There. 137 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 1: It was good to see their stars pop once again 138 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:52,280 Speaker 1: on a big stage last night. The defense end offense. 139 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:55,599 Speaker 1: But I'm not sure. I look at them and go, 140 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: I know they're a playoff team. I know they're capable 141 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: of winning a game maybe too. Maybe they are, but 142 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: there's something missing about me thinking they're a legit gonna 143 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: win the Super Bowl or in that short list of 144 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: Super Bowl teams right now, I guess I'd like to 145 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: see the defensive hair more dominant and the offense just 146 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 1: be a hair more consistent. I look at it and go, okay, yeah, 147 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 1: they beat the Jaguars. They should have Arizona great win. 148 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 1: I get it. But I think we could both sit 149 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: here and go, hey, Arizona serve some things up on 150 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: a silver plate for them to kind of help them 151 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: win that game. And then last night's ugly. So I 152 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: guess I'm kind of waiting to see what they can 153 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: kind of grow into here down this stretch and what 154 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: they can make themselves as the playoffs start. But are 155 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: they similar to Dallas that you have two really good 156 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: defensive players on both of those teams, and then you 157 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 1: have offenses with offensive minded head coaches, you know, wanting 158 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 1: to pass the ball, although they have a better running 159 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 1: game with two running backs in Dallas. But are there 160 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:00,040 Speaker 1: parallels between those two? There is a little bit. It 161 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: is star oriented, There's no doubt, you know. I do think, 162 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 1: like you said, Dallas has the capability to run the 163 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: ball a little bit better, which translates a football you know. 164 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: But also where I'll say, and again I even dropped 165 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 1: the ball on this a little bit as the season 166 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 1: went on here, you know, it just you forget how 167 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: talented that Dallas defensive line is when they're totally healthy, 168 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: and how deep they are. That's the thing that they 169 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 1: have over the Rams too. The Rams do not have 170 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 1: that type of depth. They have to rely on guys 171 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:32,839 Speaker 1: playing a lot of snaps. Dallas, you know, they're a 172 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: legitimate eight deep on the defensive line, and they can 173 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: rotate and give you a lot of different combinations. Let alone, 174 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 1: they can make Michael Parsons a defensive linement at times too. 175 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: To me, with Dallas and that defensive line, it kind 176 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 1: of puts them. Okay, I'm gonna say a notch above 177 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:49,319 Speaker 1: maybe the Rams in my eyes right now, even though 178 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:52,439 Speaker 1: I got questions about Dallas's offense is too simple, Dan, 179 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 1: That's what I would tell you. You know, they're just 180 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 1: the passing game simple. People want to know what's wrong 181 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: with Dak. You know, again, he spoiled us because he 182 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: was a amazing early on. He's definitely not playing as 183 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 1: hot as he was or as good as he was. 184 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 1: But I also look at it, why is it simple? Well, 185 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 1: the schemes themselves are simple, and they can get away 186 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: with it. You know, when the run game is really working, 187 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:17,719 Speaker 1: and then that invites some basic coverages. Hey, we got 188 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 1: to stop the run, and now they got the one 189 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 1: on one playmakers to make plays happen against those simple defenses. 190 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: But you know, the run games are in spotty over 191 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 1: the last five or six weeks, So I think you 192 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: couple that with Prescott not being totally on his game, 193 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 1: and now teams are going, whoa wait, we don't have 194 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 1: to put all our eggs into stopping the run. We 195 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 1: can play some coverage stuff. I watch film with them 196 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 1: every week and there's just too many plays where I 197 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 1: go the defense they dropped, they were all over this play, 198 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 1: They knew what was coming. They played his own defense. 199 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,559 Speaker 1: There's three receivers over the here, and they could they 200 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: concocted a defense where everybody dropped right in that area 201 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 1: where they wanted to attack. Those are the signals I 202 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: start to see when I go it's a little too simple. 203 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:02,319 Speaker 1: Defenses have caught on to kind of what you're doing here. 204 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 1: As the season one along, talking to Chris Sims, Pro 205 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: Football Talk Live co host with Mike Florio, I thought 206 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:11,679 Speaker 1: if Brady had a good performance and the Buccaneers beat 207 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 1: the Saints, he was going to win the MVP. He 208 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 1: had one of his worst performances, gets shut out. Now 209 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: you look at all the injuries there and feels like 210 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers is the leading candidate for the MVP. What 211 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:29,559 Speaker 1: do you think? That's what I believe now. And again 212 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 1: I'm not like I really was saying this for the 213 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 1: last three weeks, even before this this, you know, Saints 214 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 1: game in the Debacco by the Bucks offense to a degree, 215 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 1: I don't think there's a player in football that's more 216 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: important to their offense right now than Aaron Rodgers. Again, 217 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 1: there's some good players there we know, but we can't 218 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: even decide on who the second receiver is. Who is it? 219 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 1: I don't know, is it Valda Scandling? Is a Lazard? 220 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: And was it Randall Cobb? I don't know. It doesn't matter. 221 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 1: It's Aaron Rodgers. I mean, he's just he's he's on fire. 222 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 1: He's playing unbelievable football. And you know, again with Brady, hey, 223 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 1: I know that's a good Saints defense. But you know 224 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: what I would look at a little bit is the 225 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 1: Bills game being up the way they were. They let 226 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 1: the Bills back in. Brady kind of dropped the ball 227 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:14,959 Speaker 1: about three or four series in a row where he 228 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 1: had some open receivers to kind of put the game away. 229 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 1: And then you see the other night again. I know 230 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 1: Brady's awesome, but you see the inability to create anything 231 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 1: off schedule and nights like that, and us I would 232 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 1: I would put you know, Rogers in the lead right 233 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: now for my money. I watched the Eagles Washington game 234 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:35,319 Speaker 1: last night, at least a portion of it. I'm fascinated 235 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 1: with Jalen Hurts. I don't know he's a weapon. I 236 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 1: don't know if he's a great quarterback right And that's 237 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 1: it's tricky because you have three first round draft picks. 238 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 1: I don't know if you're going to be in on 239 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 1: any of the quarterbacking sweepstakes. But can you build around 240 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts long term? I certainly questioned that before the 241 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 1: year would have been one that would have told you no, like, no, 242 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 1: that's not gonna happen. You know. He just he's too 243 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:07,079 Speaker 1: unpolished passing the football, like you said, you know, And 244 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:09,199 Speaker 1: I feel like there was a time there early in 245 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:10,599 Speaker 1: the year where they were doing the you know, the 246 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 1: round peg into the square whole thing. You know. Nick 247 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 1: Siriani coming from the Colts and having some history, you know, 248 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 1: with the Chargers out there, I felt like they were 249 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 1: trying to make Jalen Hurts like Philip Rivers in that offense. 250 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 1: He's not that. You know. What they have done is 251 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 1: they evaluated their team to what you're talking about and said, wait, 252 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 1: we have this unbelievable offensive line, one of the best 253 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 1: offensive lines in football, if not the best, and we 254 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 1: got a quarterback who can run and do special things 255 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 1: that way. Why don't we start to play around those strengths. 256 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: And that, to me is when they caught fire. And 257 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, I said today, I'm pro football. 258 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 1: Talk to Floria. I'm kind of getting to the point 259 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: now where he's played enough and I've seen enough to 260 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: where I'm gonna go go for it. I think he 261 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 1: might be enough to where you go he is the future. 262 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 1: We just got to go all in kind of Lamar 263 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: Jackson Baltimore Ravens style. Maybe get one more receiver to 264 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 1: hey speed sweeps and fake this and fake that, and 265 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: you got Davante Smith and Rieger in a good tight end. 266 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 1: Maybe another running back to the mix to round out 267 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: the stable of rbs there. But I do think you 268 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:17,439 Speaker 1: can do it and they're dangerous. Dan Like, I wouldn't 269 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 1: want to see Philadelphia in the playoffs with that running 270 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 1: game chewing up a clock. Now, you know your offense 271 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 1: feels the pressure of, oh gosh, we gotta make something happen. 272 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 1: They go three and out, they chew up the clock again. 273 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 1: You know, they can be a real pain for somebody 274 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 1: if they do get in, and I'm kind of hoping 275 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 1: they do because I think they are one of the 276 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 1: seven best in the NFC. I'll leave this with you. 277 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 1: Tom Brady spoke out on his podcast with Jim Gray 278 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 1: that he's talked to the NFL Players Association. He wants 279 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 1: to talk to the competition committee about these hits, these 280 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 1: lower body hits, these around the knees hits. You can't 281 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 1: hit him in the head, even if you go up top, 282 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: you could have a glancing I mean, that's right. And 283 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 1: I said this Yees today. They like to make it 284 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 1: seem like baseball strike zone, you know, the knees to 285 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:07,559 Speaker 1: the armpits. That's not what this strike zone is in baseball. 286 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:10,560 Speaker 1: It's it's a circle around your belly button and it's 287 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 1: about it. And that's where that's where we are with football. 288 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: How do you how are you fair to defensive players 289 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 1: here of what you can't do right, Yeah, you're not. 290 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 1: It's not the whole sports become unfair to defensive players. 291 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 1: You're not allowed to hit the quarterback hard anymore. You 292 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 1: know the horrible call we saw two nights ago with 293 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 1: Conklin of the Vikings going down the middle of the 294 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: field and he gets hit by Dan Bush. To play that, 295 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 1: Matt Enegge got the personal foul on and I mean 296 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: he didn't like you said, he hit him in the chest, 297 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 1: but he does have a head connected to him in 298 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 1: a helmet and maybe it grazed his helmet. Oh no, yes, 299 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: it's it's very tough. They've made it hard on these 300 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 1: defensive football players. I don't know what they want them 301 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 1: to do. Certainly wasn't a dirty hit by p J Williams. 302 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 1: I understand him going well and doing that for all 303 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 1: the reasons you said, you know, And again this is 304 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 1: where I want to go back to, like we all 305 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: know what we signed up for, and every guy going 306 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: over the middle would rather be hit in the head 307 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: than they would in the knees. And I wish they 308 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: would just take that aspect away of like, hey, We'll 309 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 1: still protect the head. We don't want launching at the head. 310 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 1: But you know, again, within reasonable contact and you're aiming 311 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: to hit the chest. If the head barely hits the 312 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: guy in the in the head, okay, we're not calling 313 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: it. It It wasn't aimed. It wasn't a launch at the 314 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 1: head to do that. They got to find something because, uh, 315 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 1: you know, like Brady is saying, you tear your ACL 316 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 1: that's that's a big injury for a wide receivers, you know, 317 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: in the middle of his career. Yeah, and it's unfortunate, 318 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: and he's in the last year of his contract. And 319 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 1: but but if I'm a defenship player and I'm trying 320 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: to tackle gronk Am I going up high? No, I 321 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 1: gotta go down low. And it's unfortunate that play it is, 322 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 1: that is, But but I if I'm a defensihip player, 323 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: I don't know how how would Ronnie Lott play today? 324 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: I know he'd be like he'd go crazy. I mean again, 325 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 1: we've taken away you know, one of the great factors 326 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 1: for a team that's built around defense, and that's the 327 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 1: fear factor. You want to throw the ball over the middle, 328 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 1: you're gonna get your head knocked off. You're gonna hold 329 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 1: the ball in the pocket, We're gonna knock your head off. 330 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 1: And I don't mean that, you know, to the literal term, 331 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: but you know what I'm saying, physicality is what made 332 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 1: some of the great defense is great in the history 333 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 1: of the sport. I mean my Dad's Giants of eighty six, 334 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: or the Bears of eighty five, or the Broncos of 335 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: twenty fifteen, they wouldn't be the same if you know, 336 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 1: some of these rules were just egregiously in place right now. 337 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: So yes, it's a really tough spot. And I think 338 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 1: they call way too many of these penalties on defensive 339 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 1: players right now. You're way too young to be a 340 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: get off my longe guy. I know, I know, but 341 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 1: I am because I'm young, but I'm an old soul 342 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 1: as far as football it's concerned. And I've watched too 343 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 1: many NFL films and watched my dad's old games to go, 344 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 1: come on, like, I want to protect players. I get that, 345 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 1: but we've gotten to the point where if a fingernail 346 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 1: hits a quarterback, we throw the penalty flag. You know, 347 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 1: It's just it's gotten ridiculous here, and to me, You're 348 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 1: you're severely handicapping some of the better defenses in football 349 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:16,160 Speaker 1: with the way the game's getting called right now, Yeah, 350 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: I could. We need to change. It's like instant replay 351 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 1: is not instant, it's just replay and roughing the passer. 352 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: Not every passer gets roughed, right, but but you know, 353 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 1: grazing the passer, you know, nothing, we'd call it nothing 354 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 1: the passers, the phrase I started to use a few 355 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 1: weeks ago. I'm pft, it's called nothing the passer where 356 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:38,920 Speaker 1: you just go what like he just got hit hard? 357 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: Where that's not roughing the passer, you know? And again, 358 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 1: just too much bad offense being rewarded. Oh, quarterback throws 359 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:49,399 Speaker 1: the ball at the triple coverage down the middle of 360 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 1: the field, receiver gets hit and it's a penalty and 361 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 1: a pass interfere It's no, it's a horrible decision by 362 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:56,920 Speaker 1: the quarterback. I mean again, we're gonna reward the left 363 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 1: tackle miss is a block up. You hit the quarterback 364 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 1: to hard first down offense. We don't care that you 365 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: were horrible in pass protection. That's what I don't like that. 366 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 1: That's to me where it's too subjective and too much 367 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:13,680 Speaker 1: in the referees hands right now. Thank you Chris the Man, 368 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: Dan Mary than out of those Merry Christmas to all 369 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 1: those jerks over there too. All right, mclovin is leaving tomorrow. 370 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 1: Tomorrow's his last show. What yeah, yeah, Oh my gosh. 371 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 1: All right, well I'll act like I like mclovin for today. 372 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 1: Then I'm sorry to see him go because I love 373 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 1: him a lot. He's a good dude. They're all good dudes. 374 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 1: But you know what I mean, they're jerks and they're 375 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:38,160 Speaker 1: good dudes. It's it's the same thing. Thank you seeing mclovin. 376 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 1: Thank you. Thanks for listening to The Dan Patrick Show podcast. 377 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch us live every weekday morning nine 378 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 1: to noon Eastern or six to nine Pacific on Fox 379 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:49,639 Speaker 1: Sports Radio. Find your local station for The Dan Patrick 380 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 1: Show at Fox Sports Radio dot com, or stream us 381 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:56,119 Speaker 1: live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching f 382 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: s R, or stream us live on the Peacock Act. 383 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 1: There'll be games on Christmas Night, or at least we 384 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: think there will be, because the NBA just announced that 385 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: the Brooklyn Nets at Portland Trailblazers game scheduled for tomorrow 386 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: night has been postponed. The Nets do not have the 387 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:16,400 Speaker 1: league required eight available players to proceed with the game 388 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:19,879 Speaker 1: against the Blazers. Jeff Van Gundy scheduled to be on 389 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: the call on Christmas Night with the Lakers and the Nets. 390 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 1: How do you prepare for a game like this? Jeff, Oh, 391 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:32,119 Speaker 1: you don't worry about it. You just show up and 392 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 1: whoever is there is there. And I don't know if 393 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 1: it'll be the Nets, it'll be the Nets G League team, 394 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 1: or it'll be in a totally different NBA team. It's 395 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 1: really a tough time in the NBA right now for 396 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 1: the fan because the fan is the one that ultimately 397 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 1: bears the burden of, you know, buying tickets to what 398 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 1: they think they're going to see, and then you know 399 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 1: they're not seeing some of these star players. And then 400 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 1: you wonder going into this game, how much of a 401 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 1: topic is going to be Kyrie Irving coming back for 402 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:12,199 Speaker 1: the Nets and what role he plays the rest of 403 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:17,679 Speaker 1: the season. Well, I think on most broadcasts, initially you 404 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: talked about Kyrie Irving, and then that talk diminished quite 405 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 1: quite often or for quite a period of time. But 406 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 1: now that he's coming back in some form, at some 407 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 1: point I think it's going to ramp up again because 408 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: I think it is an important topic. I think he 409 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:43,399 Speaker 1: goes directly to their ability to win a championship. I 410 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:48,719 Speaker 1: think what's even more interesting is not the regular season 411 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:52,959 Speaker 1: schedule that he'll undertake. It's the playoff schedule. So if 412 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:54,439 Speaker 1: they're going to get what if they get into a 413 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 1: series that's two two, he's not playing on the road, 414 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 1: and you know he's not playing game five at home. 415 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 1: I mean, that's it's really a challenging decision that they made. 416 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 1: I know a lot of people have had opinions on 417 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 1: their decision to change their minds, but I think that's 418 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 1: man's greatest right, is the right to change your mind. 419 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 1: All of them have decided this course of action as prudent, 420 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:23,920 Speaker 1: So I think you know, the team will benefit and 421 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 1: the fans will benefit. Would you want him back if 422 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 1: you were coaching the nets. No, Nope, not not him either. 423 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,880 Speaker 1: It's not him. It's not even his decision. It's just 424 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:41,119 Speaker 1: I'd want to play with every night lineup that I 425 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 1: could count on, and particularly going into the playoffs. Now, 426 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 1: if he was or any player was still up in 427 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 1: the air, that I'm going to think about it more 428 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 1: I may do it for the playoffs. That might change 429 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 1: my mind, certainly, but I just wouldn't want the up 430 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 1: and down situation. Now that being said, Dan, I understand 431 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 1: they're trying to get talent on the floor. You know, 432 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 1: these like the Lakers you saw last night, they don't 433 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 1: have enough talent on the floor right now to play 434 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: at the highest level the nets. If they're down either 435 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 1: hardened or durant, they may not have enough talent on 436 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 1: the floor to play against the very best. So I 437 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:26,479 Speaker 1: understand why they're doing it. I watched the Lakers last night, 438 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 1: at least a little bit of the first half or 439 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:33,399 Speaker 1: most of the first half, and Russell Westbrook is not changing. 440 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:38,400 Speaker 1: He is who he is. He's fascinating, but man, can 441 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,880 Speaker 1: he be detrimental to a team. He just doesn't take 442 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 1: care of the ball. Jeff, So what do you do? 443 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 1: I don't know what you do with a guy who 444 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 1: is supposed to be one of your stars. You can't 445 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 1: change him at this point in his career, so you 446 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:55,239 Speaker 1: just sort of live and die with the highs and 447 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 1: lows you're gonna get with him, Yes, And I think 448 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 1: you have to known that when you traded for Westbrook. 449 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 1: People of at his age, they're not going to change greatly. 450 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:12,360 Speaker 1: So whatever issues you might have with them, whether it's 451 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: the turnovers or sometimes the defensive end of the floor, 452 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 1: or the lack of rain shooting, whatever it is that 453 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 1: you had a problem with as you were thinking about 454 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 1: trading for him, you have to understand that you have 455 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,879 Speaker 1: to take the whole package with somebody and not just 456 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 1: be able to pick and choose what you like and 457 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:33,639 Speaker 1: try to separate it from what you don't like. And 458 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: I think what you just said the most astute general 459 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:42,400 Speaker 1: managers understand is that you have to accept the whole 460 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,199 Speaker 1: package and you have to think that that package in 461 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 1: the playoffs give you a better chance to win than 462 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,360 Speaker 1: the players you had now. At the core of it, 463 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 1: it has nothing to do with whether they're better with 464 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 1: Westbrook or without him. It comes down to with their 465 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:03,360 Speaker 1: reduced depth that they had to strip their team down 466 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,880 Speaker 1: to get him. Did that benefit them? And I would 467 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 1: say so far this year that lack of depth, particularly 468 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:16,200 Speaker 1: in the COVID era, in the Anthony Davis, Lebron James 469 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 1: not being as available as a you know, particularly for 470 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 1: Lebron James, I think that depth problem has shown up 471 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:27,119 Speaker 1: to be a significant one. Talking to Jeff Van Gundy, 472 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,360 Speaker 1: he'll be on the call the Nets and the Lakers 473 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,959 Speaker 1: eight Eastern on Christmas Day, first meeting of the season 474 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 1: and the NBA Finals broadcast team of Mike Breen, Jeff 475 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:40,440 Speaker 1: and Mark Jackson, along with Sideline reporter Lisa's Salters. There 476 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:44,640 Speaker 1: was reaction reaction that went viral last night. As they 477 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:49,399 Speaker 1: like to say, Kenny Smith said that Ron Lebron James 478 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 1: was being disrespectful by smoking a cigar coming in prior 479 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:57,679 Speaker 1: to last night's game. And I mentioned that Michael Jordan 480 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 1: would smoke a cigar on the loading dock at Chicago 481 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,479 Speaker 1: Stadium and wait for the team bus to come in. 482 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,359 Speaker 1: I don't know if he was being disrespectful, but it 483 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 1: feels like Lebron was being disrespectful by smoking a cigar 484 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 1: prior to the game. Your thoughts, Jeff, Well, I didn't 485 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 1: know that. Um again, and this is a totally different 486 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 1: era from sense. Sensitivities are different now, and the whole 487 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 1: social media outrage, you know, it's a it's an era 488 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 1: of outrage, and so I'm not sure what the standard 489 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:42,400 Speaker 1: is for viral. I could care less about the closed 490 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: people where to the game. Do I think it was 491 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,159 Speaker 1: a great choice? Now, I wouldn't say it was a 492 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 1: great choice, But do I actually care? No, I don't like. 493 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 1: What I love about the NBA is watching Lebron James play. 494 00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:01,439 Speaker 1: Like that's what I love watching about Lebron James. I 495 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:05,440 Speaker 1: could really care less how he walks into the arena, 496 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,719 Speaker 1: even though I think, you know, I don't know if 497 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 1: he would say it was a poor choice. I'm just 498 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 1: saying I don't think it's the wisest choice. But that's 499 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 1: a big who cares for me? Was Jordan ever waiting 500 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,679 Speaker 1: for the Knicks bus on the loading dock when you 501 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 1: were there? No, but you know the legend of Jordan. Obviously, 502 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 1: these stories, particularly as we all get older, they grow. 503 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 1: But I would say this, if he was there, we 504 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,439 Speaker 1: would have had some guys that would be interested in 505 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:46,879 Speaker 1: that conversation, you know. So yeah, actually, you know what 506 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 1: I missed the confrontational NBA, like some of the things, 507 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:55,439 Speaker 1: you know, the whole le Bradford Smith's story. When you know, 508 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:59,919 Speaker 1: Bradford Smith lit him up in Chicago Stadium and then 509 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 1: they were playing a back to back the next night 510 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 1: in Washington, and I guess le Bradford Smith either said 511 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 1: something or perceived to said something, and then George I 512 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 1: missed those stories like, um, I liked the rivalries and 513 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:18,200 Speaker 1: a little bit of the Yeah, because Chris Webber tells 514 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 1: the story the Bullets were going to play the Bulls 515 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,640 Speaker 1: in the playoffs and Jordan is leaning on his Lamborghini 516 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 1: or Ferrari and the team bus comes in and he says, 517 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,400 Speaker 1: which one of you, m Effers is going to be 518 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 1: covering me? And it was poor Calbert Cheney and he, 519 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 1: you know, he put up fifty or something. But Webber said, 520 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 1: Mike is there smoking a cigar waiting for the Bullets 521 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 1: Bullets team bus to show up. Nice job by the Bullets, 522 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 1: by the way of pointing to the back, really having 523 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 1: having Calbert chaining it back. I gotta I gotta talk 524 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 1: to my man Juwan Howard about that too. Who wasn't 525 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:04,960 Speaker 1: afraid of Joe or done your team? Um, I don't think, 526 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,400 Speaker 1: you know, and may be afraid is not a fair word. 527 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 1: But yeah, here's the thing. We all had an incredible 528 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 1: respect for him. Um you know, from coaches all the 529 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:23,159 Speaker 1: way through the players, and I think sometimes you know, 530 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: when you respect somebody so much, you have to ask yourself, 531 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 1: am I willing to go as hard at him as 532 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:33,399 Speaker 1: I would you know someone else? Am I willing to 533 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,399 Speaker 1: put him down on the floor with a hard foul 534 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 1: as I would some other random NBA guy? And I think, 535 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 1: you know, as an NBA player back then, you had 536 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 1: to ask yourself that because he held such sway and 537 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 1: was you know, obviously beloved throughout the basketball world as 538 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 1: a player, a competitor, and like things that would be 539 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 1: looked up down upon today, he would you know, be 540 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 1: marveled at four back then. So I think you had 541 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 1: to check, but I think we had. I think the 542 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 1: one thing that Nicks did a good job of is 543 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 1: they they brought in players that, while having an appropriate 544 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 1: respect for players, uh, you know, we had some guys 545 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 1: with some irrational confidence, like I'm gonna bust his ass tonight, 546 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 1: you know. Like and that's why, like I liked our 547 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:27,479 Speaker 1: team because you know, um, you know, they were they 548 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 1: they weren't a back down group of guys. But you know, 549 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 1: you got to be careful what you asked for too. 550 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 1: So as the coach, do you ever try to, you know, 551 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 1: tamp it down a little bit? Like you know, hey, 552 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 1: Anthony Mason, he's up there. You know you're not You're 553 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 1: not the one who's gonna be guarding Mike. Well, no, 554 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,959 Speaker 1: actually it was just you know, I think you have 555 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 1: to like you have to try to combine the humility 556 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 1: um with you know, appropriate levels of confidence. And if 557 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 1: you can't be in the NBA. Think about it, Anthony Mason, 558 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 1: if he would have had, you know, if he would 559 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 1: have gone by what everybody else's evaluation, he might not 560 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 1: have ever made the NBA if he didn't have that 561 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 1: healthy or irrational confidence. And he truly when he went 562 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 1: on the floor every night, he thought like, well, I'm 563 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 1: the best player on the floor. I don't know who's 564 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 1: number two, three, four, five, but on the dude, And 565 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 1: you know what, I think you have to have some 566 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 1: of that irrational confidence to survive all the critiques and criticisms. 567 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 1: And it's just so hard to stay there you think 568 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 1: about it. This guy was like Tennessee State, couldn't shoot 569 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 1: with range, but he developed into a terrific NBA player, 570 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 1: an All Star because of work and self belief. It's 571 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 1: always great to catch up with you. You look like 572 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 1: a mob boss there with the background, the way you 573 00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 1: know you're you're seated there like a Sopranos episode. Well, 574 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 1: I know where the bodies are buried ball, Okay, that's 575 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 1: what the Mothership teaches. You buried the bodies, but don't 576 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 1: talk about where you buried the bodies. No, no, not 577 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 1: at all, not at all. Have fun on Christmas night. 578 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 1: Marry Christmas. Thank you for joining us, Jeff, as always, 579 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 1: Merry Christmas. Thanks for listening to The Dan Patrick Show podcast. 580 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch us live every weekday morning nine 581 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 1: until noon eastern six to nine Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, 582 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 1: and you can find us on the iHeartRadio app at 583 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:37,480 Speaker 1: FSR or stream us live on the Peacock app. Hey, 584 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 1: I'm Doug Gottlieb. The podcast is called All Ball. We 585 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 1: usually talk all basketball all the time, but it's more 586 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 1: about the stories about what made these people love their 587 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 1: sport and all the interesting interactions along the way. We 588 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 1: talked to coaches, we talked to players, We tell you stories. 589 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 1: You download it, you listen to it. I think you'll 590 00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 1: like it. Listen to All Ball with Doug Gotlieb on 591 00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or ever you get your podcast. 592 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:10,680 Speaker 1: Steve Palozzolo, the co host Pro Football Focus, the NFL podcast. 593 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,719 Speaker 1: You can check out the podcast and go to Pro 594 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 1: football Focus dot com. Their sale going on on Elite 595 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 1: subscriptions a great gift for the holiday season, and the 596 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 1: promo code is Elite up there to take advantage of that, 597 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 1: Steve joins us. Now, Steve, you do this for a 598 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 1: living where you're grading players and looking at all the film. 599 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 1: What kind of seasons Matthew Stafford having right now? This 600 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 1: is great. This was the season that I predicted for him. 601 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 1: I thought I was going to lose it for a while, 602 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 1: but my prediction was he was gonna grade in our 603 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,560 Speaker 1: system in a similar manner as he did in previous seasons, 604 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 1: which for US was low eighties, which is good, very 605 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 1: good quarterback. But I predicted that his production would be 606 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,200 Speaker 1: a lot better in that system with the great receivers 607 00:32:58,200 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 1: that he have. I didn't know Pooper Copp was going 608 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:01,560 Speaker 1: to be as good as he's been this year, but 609 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 1: I figured the system and the supporting cast would would 610 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 1: increase Stafford's production. I think we're seeing that Stafford has 611 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 1: been good this season. Had a couple of those rough 612 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 1: games in the middle, the turnovers, the Sunday night football 613 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 1: game against Tennessee. But overall Stafford has He's made some 614 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 1: big plays. He's missed a few open throws, had some 615 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,720 Speaker 1: turnover worthy throws. But I think these last few weeks 616 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 1: we're seeing the big time throws that they got him 617 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 1: for right the fifty yard or a couple of weeks 618 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:31,720 Speaker 1: ago to Van Jefferson special pros into tight coverage. So overall, 619 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 1: I think Stafford is having one of the better years 620 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 1: of his career, but not as good as maybe the 621 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 1: He's a passer rating of one of the eight and 622 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,480 Speaker 1: you know, most productive passing offense in the league. I 623 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,600 Speaker 1: don't think he's been that good, but he's been good 624 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 1: and the supporting cast has helped elevate his game even further. 625 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 1: Is he a top ten quarterback this year? Yeah. We 626 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 1: have him at number seven overall as a passer, so yeah, 627 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,320 Speaker 1: he's in that top He's definitely in that top ten 628 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 1: range right now, especially in a year where there haven't 629 00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,640 Speaker 1: really been There hasn't really been elite quarterback play across 630 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,960 Speaker 1: the nobody's really standing out. So Stafford's got They've got 631 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,239 Speaker 1: the best passing production in the league and he's at 632 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,240 Speaker 1: number seven in our passing grade so far. This year, 633 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:11,719 Speaker 1: Rodgers has been pretty elite. Yeah, I think I think 634 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,600 Speaker 1: people are forgetting a couple of Rogers games in here, 635 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 1: because Week one he had that game against the Saints 636 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,399 Speaker 1: where he was terrible. They lost thirty eight to three. 637 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:20,799 Speaker 1: It was I mean, it was pretty much the same 638 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:22,440 Speaker 1: thing we just saw from Tom Brady the other night. 639 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,279 Speaker 1: It just happened, you know, months ago. So I think 640 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,880 Speaker 1: people forget it. And honestly, the game they won seventeen 641 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,359 Speaker 1: to nothing against the Seattle Seahawks, he was just as 642 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 1: bad through an end zone interception he was. He was 643 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 1: not good in that particular game. So Rogers has had 644 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,799 Speaker 1: a few duds and he has not been I don't 645 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:38,440 Speaker 1: think as good throw up with rows he was last 646 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,920 Speaker 1: year in the MVP season. Yeah, but thirty touchdowns, four interceptions, 647 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,680 Speaker 1: that's an off year. No, I get it. He also 648 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,560 Speaker 1: has twelve turnover worthy plays because again we tracked this stuff. 649 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:50,560 Speaker 1: So he's got far, but he's usually he's he's one 650 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 1: of the best in the league. Wait, wait, explaining that 651 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 1: Steve turnover worthy. So we're grading every player in every place. 652 00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,040 Speaker 1: So we're going in there and saying, if you misread 653 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,439 Speaker 1: the play and throw the ball two way linebackers say. 654 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,640 Speaker 1: Whether or not the linebacker catches the ball, it's a 655 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,960 Speaker 1: bad play. Right. If it's cod it's an interception. If 656 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,480 Speaker 1: it's not, it's the same bad play. So Rogers has 657 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 1: gotten away with a few of those plays this year 658 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:13,320 Speaker 1: more than usual. He's still one of the best to 659 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,319 Speaker 1: taking care of the ball. But that's why I don't 660 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,680 Speaker 1: always look directly at touchdown interception ratio because in this 661 00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:22,239 Speaker 1: particular case, Roger's intersection totals it's lying a little bit 662 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,319 Speaker 1: this year, I think, compared to previous seasons, I don't 663 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,480 Speaker 1: know what to make of Jalen Hurts. I find him 664 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:33,520 Speaker 1: a valuable weapon, but I don't know. Unless Philadelphia embraces 665 00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:37,400 Speaker 1: him like Baltimore did with Lamar Jackson, then it feels 666 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,600 Speaker 1: like that question is always going to loom there with him. 667 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,440 Speaker 1: Is he the right quarterback? Franchise quarterback? How do you 668 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:46,040 Speaker 1: grade Jalen Hurts because it's what he gives you is 669 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:50,400 Speaker 1: not normal from quarter quarterbacks perspective. Yeah, you know, I 670 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 1: think it took them a few weeks to figure out 671 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,520 Speaker 1: they need to play this style of football. And now 672 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:57,839 Speaker 1: that's style of football being this team that can run 673 00:35:57,880 --> 00:35:59,839 Speaker 1: for one hundred and fifty two hundred yards every single 674 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,239 Speaker 1: and use Jalen Hurts in the Design Running game. They 675 00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,560 Speaker 1: had games earlier this year where it was just throw, throw, throw, 676 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,279 Speaker 1: and look, I'm a past game enthusiast, I love that. 677 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,759 Speaker 1: But when you have a Jalen Hurts a run a 678 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,440 Speaker 1: quarterback who brings value in the designed running game is 679 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 1: it's tough to defend. And I think you see a 680 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,799 Speaker 1: game like last Night where Jalen Hurts is used in 681 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 1: the Design Run game, it opens things up for the 682 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,560 Speaker 1: running backs. You run play action off of that. You 683 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:25,799 Speaker 1: can win with that in this in the NFL, right, 684 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:27,880 Speaker 1: you can do that. And then this, what do you 685 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,360 Speaker 1: make of Jalen Hurts. The tough part's gonna be do 686 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,640 Speaker 1: you want to sign him long term? Right? Has he's 687 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:37,920 Speaker 1: done enough there? I think he's good on a rookie contract. Right, 688 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,080 Speaker 1: you could do some cool stuff on a rookie contracts 689 00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:43,319 Speaker 1: building this great roster around him. Don't necessarily know if 690 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,200 Speaker 1: I want to lock him up long term. We're still 691 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 1: a little over a year into his career, so hey, 692 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:49,640 Speaker 1: he can improve. So in other words, he said he's 693 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,360 Speaker 1: a good enough passer and in playing that style opens 694 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,440 Speaker 1: up throws. Lamar Jackson has more open throws than other 695 00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,319 Speaker 1: quarterbacks because the defense has to account for him and 696 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:02,000 Speaker 1: that Russian attack in a cree open receivers. Jalen Hurts 697 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:03,399 Speaker 1: brings that to the table as well, so you can 698 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,360 Speaker 1: mitigate some of the maybe lack of polish in the 699 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:10,080 Speaker 1: pocket that Jalen Hurrits has. Is Carson Wentz a positive 700 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,680 Speaker 1: or a negative for the Colts? Can I say neutral? 701 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,600 Speaker 1: He's neutral? I mean he's a league average quarterback and 702 00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:19,680 Speaker 1: he has for a while. I think he's been more 703 00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,279 Speaker 1: positive than negative this year. Though he's generally taking care 704 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,440 Speaker 1: of the ball. He did not take care of the 705 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,600 Speaker 1: ball on Saturday Night against the Patriots. He was pretty 706 00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:29,560 Speaker 1: bad in that game and they got away with it. 707 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,480 Speaker 1: But overall, you take away the game and with the 708 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,680 Speaker 1: river rain, you know, on Sunday Night football against the Niners, 709 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:37,839 Speaker 1: Carson Wentz has done a really nice job to taking 710 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:39,759 Speaker 1: care of the ball. And when you do that, when 711 00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,600 Speaker 1: you have the Colt offensive line and Jonathan Taylor, you 712 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,279 Speaker 1: can win some games. Right and they've scored a ton 713 00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,920 Speaker 1: of points. They've got Michael Pittman emerging. Wentz does get 714 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:48,759 Speaker 1: the ball to him pretty well, So I think it's 715 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:50,960 Speaker 1: been more positive than negative. But I don't think Wentz 716 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,680 Speaker 1: is out there carrying the team or anything like he 717 00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:55,600 Speaker 1: did say in two thousand and seven. Yeah, but when 718 00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,200 Speaker 1: you say, boy he takes care of the ball that 719 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:02,000 Speaker 1: doesn't have a fringe, his quarterbacks sound to it. Should 720 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:07,080 Speaker 1: the Colts be in the market for another quarterback an upgrade? Yeah. 721 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,520 Speaker 1: I don't know how they're gonna be challenged with that 722 00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,200 Speaker 1: contract and everything, but I'm generally of the mind unless 723 00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,160 Speaker 1: you have one of say, the top eight quarterbacks in 724 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:17,600 Speaker 1: the league, and defining those probably harder than ever, harder 725 00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,719 Speaker 1: than it was, you know, five or six years ago. 726 00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:21,200 Speaker 1: If you don't have one of those guys, I think 727 00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,520 Speaker 1: you're always in the market, because, yeah, you want a 728 00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,480 Speaker 1: guy that can elevate those around you, not do what 729 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,400 Speaker 1: I just described, taking care of the ball and relying 730 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,239 Speaker 1: on everyone else to kind of carry you. The Seahawks 731 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:38,279 Speaker 1: offense is not good because what why who they have? 732 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,800 Speaker 1: Shane Walton's the new offensive coordinator, and they just they've 733 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:43,719 Speaker 1: been early in the season, they were a little top heavy. 734 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,920 Speaker 1: Russell makes those special pros down the field a couple 735 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,719 Speaker 1: of times a game, overall looks efficient. They're just play 736 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,560 Speaker 1: by play they're not good that it's the intermediate level 737 00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,040 Speaker 1: of the field that they're not attacking. So I think 738 00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:56,560 Speaker 1: there's a little bit of play calling, there's a little 739 00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,640 Speaker 1: bit of Russell Wilson, and they're that ten to nineteen 740 00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:02,400 Speaker 1: yard range in this new offense just has been non existent. 741 00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,080 Speaker 1: So it's been a bunch of short passes. Rust hits 742 00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:06,640 Speaker 1: a couple of bombs over the top, and then you 743 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:08,520 Speaker 1: have a game like last night when he doesn't hit 744 00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:12,439 Speaker 1: those bombs and this offense is terrible. So it's it's 745 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:16,360 Speaker 1: just two there's not enough high percentage quality players in 746 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,320 Speaker 1: this offense. And I think that's a combination of Shane 747 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,200 Speaker 1: Waldron as offensive coordinator, this new system just not meshing 748 00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,120 Speaker 1: with Russell wilson skill set, and plus Russell Wilson's just 749 00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:26,799 Speaker 1: not playing nearly as well as he did for the 750 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,160 Speaker 1: majority of last year twenty eighteen, the rest of his career, 751 00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:33,000 Speaker 1: whether that's partly the finger injury, we're just not seeing 752 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,480 Speaker 1: the same Russell Wilson for the most part of this season. 753 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:41,160 Speaker 1: How do you rank rate Cooper Cups season? Man, It's 754 00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,839 Speaker 1: it's incredible. I mean, I think, you know, he's got 755 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,960 Speaker 1: that triple crown of receptions and yards and touchdowns and everything. 756 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:51,040 Speaker 1: But he is just he's good at everything right, and 757 00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,239 Speaker 1: he's great after the catch. He's good at getting open 758 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,520 Speaker 1: against man coverage. He's got a great feel for his zone. 759 00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,000 Speaker 1: Him and Matthew Stafford have just had an incredible connection 760 00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,520 Speaker 1: as far as being on the same page help spend 761 00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:02,319 Speaker 1: the best. He's best receiver in the league this year. 762 00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:06,759 Speaker 1: But if somebody hadn't seen Cooper Cup play, how would 763 00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:11,439 Speaker 1: you describe him? I would say he's like he's an 764 00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:16,200 Speaker 1: uber slaw receiver who took his game from gets open 765 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,439 Speaker 1: underneath and you know, has a good field for the game. 766 00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,080 Speaker 1: He taken his game to the next level where you 767 00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,640 Speaker 1: can't leave him one on one and he can win 768 00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:25,920 Speaker 1: at every level of the field like the best receivers can. 769 00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:28,120 Speaker 1: And then the Rams put him in good position to 770 00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,920 Speaker 1: succeed as well. So very good all around receiver, does 771 00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,799 Speaker 1: everything well. Surehanded create after the catcher creates, he plays, 772 00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:39,480 Speaker 1: But is he Davante Adams category, is he healthy DeAndre 773 00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:43,960 Speaker 1: Hopkins category or you know, there's quite a few great receivers, 774 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:47,720 Speaker 1: but Cooper Cup is having one of the greatest seasons 775 00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,680 Speaker 1: of all time. I think he's a step below those 776 00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:52,440 Speaker 1: guys because you do have you do have a built 777 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,480 Speaker 1: in advantage when you're in the slot, right, So, and 778 00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,160 Speaker 1: that's where he does most of his work. I don't 779 00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,640 Speaker 1: think you just dropped Cooper Cup into Green Bay's offense 780 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,960 Speaker 1: and say, go bea Davante Adams, right, go beat man 781 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:04,680 Speaker 1: coverage as often as you do. So he's a step 782 00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:08,719 Speaker 1: below those true outside X receivers. But it's one of 783 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,000 Speaker 1: the best slot receiver seasons of all time, which is, 784 00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,879 Speaker 1: you know, technically a little bit easier, but at this 785 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,319 Speaker 1: level of production, you know, Cooper, it's definitely a special sea. 786 00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:19,640 Speaker 1: I see what you said. You know, step a step 787 00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,400 Speaker 1: below here comes down to forty yard dash time. I 788 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,120 Speaker 1: see what you're doing, Steve, just a speed guys to 789 00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,080 Speaker 1: be able, to be able the fast guys. Is Lamar 790 00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:33,879 Speaker 1: Jackson improving. No, he's not earlier this season. I may 791 00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:35,880 Speaker 1: have said yes, but the last few weeks, you know, 792 00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,480 Speaker 1: prior to his injury, were pretty bad and it was 793 00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,960 Speaker 1: a lot of decision making stuff, right, It was a 794 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,120 Speaker 1: lot of just him throwing into coverage. And the curious 795 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,000 Speaker 1: part here is I think he's got his best group 796 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,600 Speaker 1: of playmakers that he's had in his entire career, you know, 797 00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,600 Speaker 1: with Marky's Brown breaking out, with Rashad Bateman there, with 798 00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,680 Speaker 1: Sammy Watkins and what Mark Andrews. Mark Andrews continuing to 799 00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,040 Speaker 1: take his game to the next level. This should have 800 00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,320 Speaker 1: been not maybe the best fistical season for Lamar because 801 00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:03,800 Speaker 1: you know, every p season was great, but this should 802 00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,640 Speaker 1: have been a much better season for Lamar Jackson. And 803 00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:08,719 Speaker 1: I think the last few weeks he's he's taking a 804 00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:10,760 Speaker 1: step back in his development where he's just not seeing 805 00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:15,040 Speaker 1: the field very well. The Packers Chiefs great out as 806 00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:18,759 Speaker 1: the two best teams right now. Yeah, I think. I mean, 807 00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,600 Speaker 1: I think trending wise too. You know, the Chiefs defense, 808 00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:23,560 Speaker 1: I think they went on a run. I don't I 809 00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,200 Speaker 1: still don't know that they're necessarily championship caliber. I think 810 00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:29,400 Speaker 1: the Chiefs offense has shown flashes of being what they 811 00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:33,960 Speaker 1: were before, but they will. They're not exactly where they were, 812 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,480 Speaker 1: but it's dangerous enough. And I think the Packers. Part 813 00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,040 Speaker 1: of the intrigue with the Packers is maybe David Bactieri 814 00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:40,960 Speaker 1: is going to come back, Maybe you know, j Alexandrew 815 00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:42,920 Speaker 1: is going to come back at some point. The Packers 816 00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:44,959 Speaker 1: last year, I think we're very reliant on just Aaron 817 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,480 Speaker 1: Rodgers and DeVante Adams and Jair. Like the top heavy roster, 818 00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:50,400 Speaker 1: they're in the win in other ways now, guys like 819 00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,399 Speaker 1: Rusul Douglas and Devandre Campbell's stepping up on defense. So 820 00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:55,440 Speaker 1: I love the way the Packers are trending, and they're 821 00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,640 Speaker 1: getting other good players back. So yeah, I think the 822 00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:59,759 Speaker 1: top two seeds Packers and Chiefs are the two best 823 00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,800 Speaker 1: team in the NFL right now. Thank you Steve, as always, 824 00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,640 Speaker 1: Merry Christmas, thanks for joining us my best everybody at 825 00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,799 Speaker 1: Pro Football Focus. Thank you Dan. Marry Christmas to you 826 00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:09,480 Speaker 1: and all the viewers.