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<v Speaker 1>Of the Law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.

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<v Speaker 2>We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the

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<v Speaker 2>vicious felonies. These episodes are based on These are our stories.

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<v Speaker 3>Done done.

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<v Speaker 2>Yay, that's messed up. An SVU podcast. This is number

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<v Speaker 2>two eighty two two eight two uh pumps to be here.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Lisa Trigger and I'm Kara Klank And as you know,

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<v Speaker 1>every week it's SVU recaps, it's true crime, deep dives.

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<v Speaker 1>It's interviews with cool celebs, interesting people.

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<v Speaker 4>Except not this one. No celebris in this one.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we just get to talk more, which is yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>No one today, No one today.

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<v Speaker 2>But guess what I found. I found my new person

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<v Speaker 2>for two weeks. So get ready, guys. Oh there's a change.

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<v Speaker 4>There's not a change. It's not a change. The new

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<v Speaker 4>you know O'Connor story.

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<v Speaker 2>Tiffany's little video came out today, like I'm still invested,

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<v Speaker 2>but lost Boys the musical, Oh my fucking mind. And

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<v Speaker 2>then I came home, bought the movie immediately, only watched

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<v Speaker 2>half of it because I'm reading Yesteryear. I had to

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<v Speaker 2>get back to my book. I'm going to finish it today.

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<v Speaker 2>But I am in.

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<v Speaker 4>I never understood the key for Sutherland Pandemonium. I do now.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I like, I fucking loved this musical.

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<v Speaker 2>If you like this movie I've never you should go

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<v Speaker 2>to see it.

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<v Speaker 4>It was incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's funny because you sat you mentioned it, yeah

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<v Speaker 1>at another point that you were going to see it,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like, oh, I haven't heard of that.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I've heard of obviously. The movie The Lost Boys.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know was the musical.

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<v Speaker 4>I hadn't.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought I was seeing The Outsiders when she when

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<v Speaker 2>I got the text, I went, oh, the Outsiders, all right,

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<v Speaker 2>like in my head, I didn't even know the Lost Boys.

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<v Speaker 2>Then I see all these gothic people in line, and

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<v Speaker 2>I go, what's going on? And then I realized it's vampires.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the people I was with because I got

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<v Speaker 2>her a last minute invite, they're like suspension artists that

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<v Speaker 2>like hang from their knees and necks and like blood,

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<v Speaker 2>so they're like blood enthusiasts. The girl I was with,

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<v Speaker 2>she was wearing like bloody healed shoes like ever, like

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<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of goth energy happening. Okay, So then

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<v Speaker 2>I realized, oh, okay, vampires.

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<v Speaker 4>Nice. Interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Well then I I I as soon as you mentioned it,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, like on my Instagram, like yesterday was somebody

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<v Speaker 1>being like the new hot musical is Lost Bowl, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean like you know, and then the other one they

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<v Speaker 1>were talking about, but.

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<v Speaker 2>It was up a plus like a Shoshana Bean I

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<v Speaker 2>mean every vocally Superstars.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh it's Joshana Bean hash she has with John Hill.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh oh my god, I should text him because she

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<v Speaker 1>nailed it. Not that she eats Joe needs to know that,

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<v Speaker 1>she's like a legend, but vocally everyone was like incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>But the set, there's no way it's not winning every

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<v Speaker 1>fucking Tony Award.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's what I was, really I was.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like one of the most already nominated for all

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<v Speaker 1>these awards, like I know, maybe not Tony but other awards.

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<v Speaker 2>The set was unbelievable, and then the effects, the effects,

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<v Speaker 2>and then watching the movie, I go the house looked

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<v Speaker 2>exactly like that.

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<v Speaker 4>And then they really up the gay.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess the whole thing is like the younger brother's gay,

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<v Speaker 2>but no one really talks, you know whatever, so they

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<v Speaker 2>like up to the gay.

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<v Speaker 4>It was fun. It was funny.

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<v Speaker 2>People were laughing and then I talked to the people

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<v Speaker 2>that loved the movie, and like they were telling me

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<v Speaker 2>the lines from the movie that we're exciting, but like

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<v Speaker 2>people are flying through the air. It is they're on motorcycles.

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<v Speaker 2>It is like breath to I couldn't believe it. I

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't believe it. I mean, this movie came out the

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<v Speaker 2>year you were born. Yeah, and the guy from Big Business,

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<v Speaker 2>what a huge year for him?

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<v Speaker 4>Eighty seven? Bam bam. What's his name? Graham? But like,

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<v Speaker 4>what's his real name?

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<v Speaker 3>Edward?

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<v Speaker 4>You know, you know who I'm talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>He's the video store guy, Edward Herman, Edward Herman Google.

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<v Speaker 4>You know his face, yes, but you know his face.

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<v Speaker 2>He's the dead and Gilmore girls. She doesn't watch Gilmore girls, don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not a Gilmore Big Business girl and over Moore.

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<v Speaker 2>But he's like the rich guy. And I see his face.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course I know exactly who this is. Yeah, he's

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<v Speaker 2>a face guy.

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<v Speaker 4>Guys.

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<v Speaker 1>I just yeah, Like somebody said the other day, the

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<v Speaker 1>name of Tom from Succession, and I go who, And

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<v Speaker 1>then I was I was like, oh, of course, Like

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<v Speaker 1>that man is very famous to me in my mind.

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<v Speaker 4>I just don't know his real name. But this guy, Oh,

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<v Speaker 4>Big Business is eighty eight My bad, but I mean

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<v Speaker 4>it has over Cory's the movie.

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<v Speaker 2>It has Jamie Gertz, who is famously squear A Speare

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<v Speaker 2>Spara Square.

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<v Speaker 4>She's sibut saras Square.

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<v Speaker 2>I started watching the movie at home. I'm like, this

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<v Speaker 2>is the most beautiful woman I've ever seen in my life, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>where has she been?

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<v Speaker 4>He was going so big?

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<v Speaker 1>So I go gol terr immediately, And I've read all

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<v Speaker 1>these articles about how she quit acting because I think

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<v Speaker 1>she married a multi millionaire. Oh okay, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>she uses the money for good. I think she's very

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<v Speaker 1>She's going very Mackenzie Mackenzie bezos with it, Sonnang.

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<v Speaker 2>I loved the fact and they they just made it

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<v Speaker 2>an event like lights Neon sign, like the intro. They

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<v Speaker 2>just fucking nailed it. It was awesome. I'm like so pumped.

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<v Speaker 2>And then you guys, stay tuned. I got an invite

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<v Speaker 2>to the Hugh Jackman show with Annette Bennings daughter that

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<v Speaker 2>we were told to see. I got an invite to

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<v Speaker 2>the party as well, So stay tuned for that theater corner. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>And I said, kind of sodronicus, so bloody.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't know Shakespeare was a fucking freak. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>I've never seen I've never even heard of it. I

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<v Speaker 4>love that. I'm going.

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<v Speaker 2>I also went to see Waxahatchie at Brooklyn Paramount with

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<v Speaker 2>some guy named MJ.

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<v Speaker 4>Casey.

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<v Speaker 2>Just lost his mind that I saw them together at

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<v Speaker 2>Brooklyn Paramount. People were like, did you go in blind?

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<v Speaker 2>I go, yeah, if I'm invited, I'm going, I'm fucking going.

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<v Speaker 2>It was awesome. But I've never been to a concert

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<v Speaker 2>where people are like sitting politely and like came to

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<v Speaker 2>sit and people were just so calm. And I've never

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<v Speaker 2>been to a concert where Katie from Waxahatchie she came

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<v Speaker 2>on to sing a song with the open in her

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<v Speaker 2>and then went back out and then did her headlining set,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, that's a cool, bitch.

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<v Speaker 4>No one's ever done that, no.

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<v Speaker 1>Opened for I saw her open for like it was

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<v Speaker 1>like Ryl o' kylie or Brandy, Brandy makes sense. And

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<v Speaker 1>then she came out and sang a song with them, Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>whoever it was, And I forgot and I feel bad,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's so coo cool.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I guess yeah, I've really been like supporting

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<v Speaker 2>the arts on My Stay in New York City and

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<v Speaker 2>Tday Your Life. But Patronicus, my friend from Survival of

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<v Speaker 2>the Thickest, played lucious dude. There's sexual assault, there's murder,

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<v Speaker 2>people are hanging upside down getting bled out like there's

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to be. There's nubs, there's like decapitations, there's heads

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<v Speaker 2>and bags, and I'm like, this is Shakespeare's first play.

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<v Speaker 1>I go, you really want to make a splash? He

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<v Speaker 1>was like, I'm not Romeo and Juliet, bullshit. I gotta

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<v Speaker 1>really make him make a pay attention.

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<v Speaker 2>Who knew this? Like romantic kind of funny guy. I

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<v Speaker 2>know he does track and like all that, but like

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<v Speaker 2>this show is so But.

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<v Speaker 1>Even the tragedies that you know, like Hamlet and stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>are like sad, but I don't consider them to be

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<v Speaker 1>like super super bloody and nasty.

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<v Speaker 2>No, isn't that Macbeth called the Bloody Play or something?

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<v Speaker 2>The blood Yeah something, I mean maybe, But.

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<v Speaker 4>Like I don't think.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think of Macbeth like I've seen many iterations

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<v Speaker 1>of it. I've seen it live, I've seen the movie.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't remember being like you. But Patrick Page is

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<v Speaker 1>in it. Who's the man who's Hades Town.

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<v Speaker 2>He's Hades Oh the deep voice and he's in an SVU.

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<v Speaker 4>But like he took his shirt off. He looked good.

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<v Speaker 4>He's like, it's too fun, look good.

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<v Speaker 2>And another wait, we just covered this episode Eden hold on,

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<v Speaker 2>there was s V Royalty from like five episodes. I

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<v Speaker 2>can't believe. Oh my god, I'm like, I'm overwhelmed right now.

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<v Speaker 2>The art is overwhelming. Me Enid Graham, Enid Graham, E

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<v Speaker 2>N I D and then Graham.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh yeah, she's oh, she's like, she's yeah, she's in

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<v Speaker 5>a lot of stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>She's Sarah Hyland's mom in Hot House.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, she is, absolutely, she's a character actress, this lady.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And then also and then and then there was an

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<v Speaker 2>a hot guy and he was in a season twenty

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<v Speaker 2>ish episode, Jesse Aaronson. He was really hot and he's

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<v Speaker 2>an s vulm. So there's two s VIEWLM dang well

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<v Speaker 2>three Patrick Page.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, lady has been in a lot of stuff though

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<v Speaker 1>that I've seen as Mayor of Easttown, Mayor of Easttown,

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<v Speaker 1>which tangentially, I'm watching a show called Task right now

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<v Speaker 1>that has Mark Ruffalo. That's also very mayor of Easttown,

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<v Speaker 1>like coded, and I'm enjoying it. While you have been

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<v Speaker 1>taking a patron of the arts, been a patron of

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<v Speaker 1>the arts, I too have been patronizing the arts here

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<v Speaker 1>in Los Angeles. And I did attend the show Fat

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<v Speaker 1>Slut here in Los Angeles. Does that mean it's Meatball's

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<v Speaker 1>monthly show at Precinct, which I've always wanted to go

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<v Speaker 1>to Precinct, but Trixie and Katia always got me scared

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<v Speaker 1>because they were always talking about how hot and like

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<v Speaker 1>body to body impact it is. And I was always like,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't just like swing by Precinct. So the stars aligned.

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<v Speaker 4>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>First, I meet up with some friends to watch the

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<v Speaker 1>finale at a friend's house.

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<v Speaker 4>I loved the finale.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me just tell you the way that our friend

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<v Speaker 1>Nicole had me convinced, so spoiler alert if you haven't

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<v Speaker 1>watched the season eighteen finale yet of drag Race, and

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<v Speaker 1>if you want all of our drag Race opinions, we

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<v Speaker 1>talked about them on our Patreon last week. But she

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<v Speaker 1>had me convinced it was gonna be Niny Coco. I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, it's got to be Mikey. Mikey's been slaying

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<v Speaker 1>like the whole time, and she was like, no, no.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I think it's gonna be Was she fucking with

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<v Speaker 2>you on purpose?

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<v Speaker 1>No, she was really convinced that she was really convinced

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<v Speaker 1>that it doesn't really matter anymore to win drag Race,

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<v Speaker 1>and that they want people for All Stars and that

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<v Speaker 1>they would keep like that they want Jane for All

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<v Speaker 1>Stars and that they want Mikey for All Stars or whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>and that it was going to be Nini. And I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, oh, that's an interesting take, and then of

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<v Speaker 1>course they said my.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, yeah, that's what I thought. Why

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<v Speaker 2>did I doubt myself? But I think it's Beauzannini's performance

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<v Speaker 2>was so good. Yes, it was because I watched the

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<v Speaker 2>pit Stop and Bob said that that was the top

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<v Speaker 2>finale performance of all time and that that was vm

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<v Speaker 2>A level dancing and choreo and stuff. And do I

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<v Speaker 2>have my own opinions? No, I'm gonna hop on Bob's.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm taking Bob's. But then is like, who's your favorite

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<v Speaker 2>pit stop host to Bob and it's like, well, it's

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<v Speaker 2>not you Bianca about that?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, so then we're watching the show's ending and we're

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<v Speaker 1>like just getting ready to like leave for precinct and

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<v Speaker 1>the credits are running and she goes, wait, Carol, She goes,

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<v Speaker 1>are you is your did I just see your name

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<v Speaker 1>in the credits?

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<v Speaker 4>And I go, what are you even talking about?

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<v Speaker 1>When my name was definitely in the credits, I had

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<v Speaker 1>to like stop and watch it and like be ready

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<v Speaker 1>with a remote to pause it. Like the credits go

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<v Speaker 1>by so fast and like they're basically I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no way, why would my name be in the credits.

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<v Speaker 1>And then we rewound it and her eyes don't my

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<v Speaker 1>name was in the fucking credits.

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<v Speaker 4>I truly have no idea why. I I guess I worked.

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<v Speaker 1>On the butter Churning Challenge like a year and a

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<v Speaker 1>half ago, but what ended up being on the show

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<v Speaker 1>was like kind of really not a lot of what.

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<v Speaker 4>I make sure you go update your IMDb.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, Well, I just looked at my IMDb and

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<v Speaker 1>I have full credit for Randomly, I was looking at

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<v Speaker 1>my IMDb and I have full credit for the Winner

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<v Speaker 1>season of All Stars, which, yeah, like I wrote one challenge.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't really did know I was gonna get credit

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<v Speaker 1>for the whole season, but anyway, so that was wild

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<v Speaker 1>so then we go to Precynct and Fat Slut is like,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, if you live in Los Angeles and

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<v Speaker 1>you really want to go to just a wild night

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<v Speaker 1>of entertainment, Meatball is so funny. But this show is

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<v Speaker 1>unfucking hinged, Like it's the craziest thing I've ever been to. Essentially,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of food based performance, but there were

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<v Speaker 1>there were famous drag queens that came out like it

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<v Speaker 1>was the weekend of Coachella. So a last go was there?

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<v Speaker 1>I did Alaska did this whole justin Bieber number Dtox

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<v Speaker 1>was there?

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<v Speaker 4>Wow, Oh my god, I saw your photos. It's all

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<v Speaker 4>coming back to me. Wow, Yeah I saw the Detox.

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<v Speaker 2>This oh Detox, the person I spent fifty dollars to

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<v Speaker 2>meet in line.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Obebe for me, Obabe, it gets better, hold on,

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<v Speaker 4>hold on.

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<v Speaker 1>So like because there with Drag Race Royalty too, like

0:12:23.160 --> 0:12:25.559
<v Speaker 1>Nicole is such a super yes and like Nicole yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and Nicole's been a judge on the show, so like,

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<v Speaker 1>but we're having fun. It's like not, it's actually like

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<v Speaker 1>kind of the perfect amount of crowded, Like it feels

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<v Speaker 1>like good, like you're with the people. But I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>feel like I was crushed or anything. It was pretty

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<v Speaker 1>easy to get. During Detox's performance, she did like I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know the song, but it was just like really sexy.

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<v Speaker 1>She was like smoking a cigarette on stage and like

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<v Speaker 1>at one point it went out and she just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like tapped it on her tongue.

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<v Speaker 4>Like it was like she just was like killing it

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<v Speaker 4>and I love her.

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<v Speaker 1>And and Alaska had like a reveal she was in

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<v Speaker 1>like a big puffy coat and then like took it up,

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<v Speaker 1>was wearing like a hot barbie, like very tight and everything.

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<v Speaker 4>And then.

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<v Speaker 1>Then they get people from the audience to basically have

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<v Speaker 1>like intercourse with food. Like one of our friends went

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<v Speaker 1>up and won the contest and they were chanting shrimp

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<v Speaker 1>pussy at her.

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<v Speaker 4>So I'm just gonna let you guys know what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, so what do you mean? Sex performances with food?

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<v Speaker 2>Is their penetration like a hot dog in a butt?

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<v Speaker 4>What is it? Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>So the food comes out and it is all food

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<v Speaker 1>that is like jellied like in like a mold. So

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<v Speaker 1>there was like hot dogs, there was shrimp, there was sausages,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of stuff that conveniently fits into orifices and

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<v Speaker 1>it's baked into this like jello mold, and it's like

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<v Speaker 1>mostly guys. But then our girlfriend got up and did it,

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<v Speaker 1>and of course she won because she was wild. But

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<v Speaker 1>the guys, if they went up and just like danced

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<v Speaker 1>with it, the audience started chanting hatred at them, like

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<v Speaker 1>if they did not put something like in their butts

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<v Speaker 1>or mouths, like people.

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<v Speaker 4>Were like, you're not worth it. Like, I mean, it didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Feel like the kind of thing that was like predatory.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like really funny and fun spirited, and like

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<v Speaker 1>everybody was having a really fun time with it, and

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<v Speaker 1>some and some people that went up didn't feel comfortable

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<v Speaker 1>doing that, and some people felt very comfortable doing that.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, And if you don't feel comfortable, it's fine, but

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<v Speaker 2>you will get booed.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think, yeah, okay, yeah, this is like fat slut,

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<v Speaker 1>Like they didn't come up here to watch you tap dance,

0:14:26.200 --> 0:14:28.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, like this is like what the show.

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<v Speaker 4>Is, so yeah, you need a fuck a food. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was so funny, I mean, like fun There

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<v Speaker 1>were like poppers going around.

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<v Speaker 4>It was wild.

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<v Speaker 1>And then we went backstage and we were hanging out

0:14:40.600 --> 0:14:43.960
<v Speaker 1>and meet Ball listens to our podh My our pod.

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<v Speaker 1>So he was like, Oh my gosh, it's so fun

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<v Speaker 1>to have you here. I feel like I listened to

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<v Speaker 1>all the time. I was like, this is crazy. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>so like, this is so fun to be here. And

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<v Speaker 1>then I got to chat with Detox for like forty

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<v Speaker 1>five minutes. I mean, I hung out with her for

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<v Speaker 1>so long. So Detox lives like around Chicago. It comes

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<v Speaker 1>to La all the time to perform. And I won't

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<v Speaker 1>say like what verb she lives in, but she said

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<v Speaker 1>that she lived in the chocol suburbs, and I go,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, you know who else?

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<v Speaker 5>Does?

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<v Speaker 4>Do you remember when?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you remember at DragCon when my friend like bought

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<v Speaker 1>a fanny pack so that we could meet you. But

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<v Speaker 1>then like you recognized her and she was like, oh

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<v Speaker 1>my god, yes she I was like that's Lisa, like whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>So I was telling her about you and then we

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<v Speaker 1>just like chatted.

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<v Speaker 2>Well. I also bought a crop top shirt that says litigious,

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<v Speaker 2>and I do wear it often.

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<v Speaker 4>That's a really good crop top.

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<v Speaker 2>It is because it's long sleeve, thin with a hood

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<v Speaker 2>and it's just a great.

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<v Speaker 4>Fucking wet I'll see your ass like.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so litigious is like one of maybe one of

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<v Speaker 1>my favorite words, like it's such a good word. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>it was just like such a I got home at

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<v Speaker 1>four in the morning. I have two kids, Like I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, I don't know. It was like crazy. It

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<v Speaker 1>was his morning to wake up with the kids. So

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, you know, it's fine, like and I like,

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't even like drinking for most of it. I

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<v Speaker 1>was just like, have a fun time. And I just

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<v Speaker 1>was so pumped. I got to hang out with Dee

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<v Speaker 1>talks and I love her. And I did talk to

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<v Speaker 1>Alaska very briefly, and I as and I showed her

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<v Speaker 1>a picture of her with Rosie when Rosie is six

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<v Speaker 1>weeks old.

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<v Speaker 4>And she was like, work, I'm likescute.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was a really fun but if you live

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<v Speaker 1>in the LA area and you like drag, there were

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<v Speaker 1>also like a lot of really fun like go go

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<v Speaker 1>dancers that were men and women.

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<v Speaker 4>There were like really fun acts and then they.

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<v Speaker 1>Get beat me Ball gets these fucking like.

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<v Speaker 4>Legends to come on.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's like a great great I get why people

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<v Speaker 1>love Precinct. It's like really fun like rock and roll,

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<v Speaker 1>like vibes for a drag bar, you know, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>like we ho as cutey as we ho.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, it's like dirty back. I loved it. Yeah, yes,

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<v Speaker 4>but it was so fun fun. Oh my god, tucks.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was a last You know, it's so hard

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<v Speaker 2>to pick your favorite queen because they're all just so good.

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<v Speaker 2>I just am lucky that I get to say Katya

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<v Speaker 2>because of the Russian connection. And then I, you know,

0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:08.760
<v Speaker 2>people just have to accept it, not that anyone cares. Yeah,

0:17:08.920 --> 0:17:12.200
<v Speaker 2>I'm having a fight with my own self. No, I

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<v Speaker 2>have one late night, but it was an accident. This

0:17:14.119 --> 0:17:15.520
<v Speaker 2>always happens to you, and I think it's gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>one spot. And then I did walk home at about

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<v Speaker 2>six in the morning, which is my favorite time of kay,

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<v Speaker 2>the sun's not out, and I was alone in Washington

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<v Speaker 2>Score Park.

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<v Speaker 4>I was alone.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, I was the only person on a Sunday at

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<v Speaker 2>six am and Washington Square Park. I was circling like

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<v Speaker 2>I was in a zombie movie. But honestly, zombies didn't

0:17:36.200 --> 0:17:38.840
<v Speaker 2>even cross my mind because I just was. I couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>believe that I got to be there.

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<v Speaker 1>Listen, don't ever let anyone tell you that you can't

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<v Speaker 1>be by yourself and find alone time in New York.

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<v Speaker 4>You obviously can't well.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I was spinning around taking videos of myself

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<v Speaker 2>and a guy did walk and I go, I've never

0:17:51.359 --> 0:17:52.280
<v Speaker 2>seen the park like this.

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<v Speaker 4>And he got it. He got it. But then I realized,

0:17:54.760 --> 0:17:55.600
<v Speaker 4>I do you lady.

0:17:56.200 --> 0:17:58.080
<v Speaker 2>Then I realized, like some people do wake up at six,

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<v Speaker 2>like I was like making videos for instag I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>you guys won't believe this.

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<v Speaker 4>And then it's like, no people do jog, you know, yeah,

0:18:06.200 --> 0:18:08.440
<v Speaker 4>there were no fitness freaks out at like five point thirty.

0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:10.400
<v Speaker 4>People are running on the streets.

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<v Speaker 2>I just happened because I didn't even realize the park

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<v Speaker 2>would be open like that. Usually when I walk home

0:18:14.680 --> 0:18:18.080
<v Speaker 2>from the cellar, the park is closed, skated up, so like,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't even anticipate it being open. So when I

0:18:21.600 --> 0:18:24.679
<v Speaker 2>saw it was open, I like shrieked. I think, like

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't even believe it. I didn't realize that's great,

0:18:27.400 --> 0:18:30.600
<v Speaker 2>that's way cool, because yeah, my favorite thing happened.

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<v Speaker 4>The bartenders let us stay while they closed. So love that.

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<v Speaker 4>It's always the funnest did you see?

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<v Speaker 1>So obviously we have to comment on the OC has

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<v Speaker 1>been canceled. And I watched the video the several regulars

0:18:45.280 --> 0:18:48.560
<v Speaker 1>from the OC that we've had on the podcast. And

0:18:48.920 --> 0:18:55.040
<v Speaker 1>but Chris Maloney did this like tearful tank top monologue

0:18:55.119 --> 0:18:58.440
<v Speaker 1>where his the angles really weird, like his chest is

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<v Speaker 1>taken and he has young daughters.

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<v Speaker 4>They could have helped him. Yeah, it's really weird.

0:19:03.320 --> 0:19:05.600
<v Speaker 1>It was like he left the phone just like sliding,

0:19:05.840 --> 0:19:07.879
<v Speaker 1>like leaned up against a protein shake or something.

0:19:08.080 --> 0:19:10.520
<v Speaker 2>I watch it, though, I mean I think he felt it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm someone that does random postings like you. You know,

0:19:14.240 --> 0:19:18.360
<v Speaker 2>he probably found out or I don't know. Yeah, it's

0:19:18.400 --> 0:19:23.000
<v Speaker 2>a lot of jobs lost. Listen a trial by Jury LA.

0:19:23.280 --> 0:19:24.880
<v Speaker 2>That shit all lasted one season.

0:19:25.000 --> 0:19:27.040
<v Speaker 1>People did like O see it lasted for five years,

0:19:27.080 --> 0:19:29.240
<v Speaker 1>but the reality is like that show probably would have

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<v Speaker 1>gone gone for a lot longer if it had started

0:19:31.840 --> 0:19:34.879
<v Speaker 1>fifteen years earlier. TV is just like fucking tough these days,

0:19:34.920 --> 0:19:35.119
<v Speaker 1>you know.

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<v Speaker 4>So I feel for him. But then they also announced it.

0:19:39.400 --> 0:19:41.200
<v Speaker 1>I think he's already on a new show where he's

0:19:41.200 --> 0:19:44.320
<v Speaker 1>playing a football coach. It's set in the NFL. It's

0:19:44.320 --> 0:19:46.840
<v Speaker 1>like a show set about the NFL called The Land.

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<v Speaker 1>So he's gonna work. He's gonna be fine. But I

0:19:49.359 --> 0:19:51.840
<v Speaker 1>think and it's also like the way he's acting like

0:19:51.920 --> 0:19:54.000
<v Speaker 1>this is the death of Elliott Stabler is kind of crazy.

0:19:54.040 --> 0:19:56.960
<v Speaker 1>It's like you're obviously gonna come back and pop into

0:19:57.080 --> 0:20:00.959
<v Speaker 1>SVU like in the finale. Yeah, like back babe. Like

0:20:01.720 --> 0:20:04.000
<v Speaker 1>one comment was, Wow, they killed Kathy for nothing. I

0:20:04.040 --> 0:20:08.520
<v Speaker 1>was like, oh my god, that's so fucked. But the

0:20:08.600 --> 0:20:12.040
<v Speaker 1>other thing that's happening in the sv universe this week

0:20:12.240 --> 0:20:15.640
<v Speaker 1>is obviously it keeps going viral like over and over again.

0:20:15.760 --> 0:20:19.840
<v Speaker 1>Is this screenshot of a still from season two, Season one,

0:20:19.920 --> 0:20:23.000
<v Speaker 1>episode two, A Single Life, which we covered in February

0:20:23.000 --> 0:20:27.879
<v Speaker 1>of last year, where they're getting up to go do

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<v Speaker 1>something and you can see a binder on Benson's desk

0:20:30.920 --> 0:20:34.160
<v Speaker 1>that says Epstein on the spine and people are people.

0:20:34.040 --> 0:20:35.760
<v Speaker 2>Keep sending me and I go, have we not been

0:20:35.800 --> 0:20:37.200
<v Speaker 2>saying it's ahead of its time? I know?

0:20:37.240 --> 0:20:38.840
<v Speaker 4>Have we not been saying this was known?

0:20:39.000 --> 0:20:41.320
<v Speaker 1>Like I don't look up the episode, yeah, I mean

0:20:41.400 --> 0:20:42.600
<v Speaker 1>what episode was flight?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh honey, I'm in the comments I've been telling people

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<v Speaker 2>don't yeah, because people keep bringing up the other the

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<v Speaker 2>two parter one and I go, no, guys, like this

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<v Speaker 2>has been in it. Twenty eleven, twenty eleven, this episode

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<v Speaker 2>came out, which means it probably shot in twenty ten,

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<v Speaker 2>which means at least sixteen years this show has known

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<v Speaker 2>about it. So, and that's pre Neil Bear too, like

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<v Speaker 2>it is wild. It's season one, right.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yep, season one.

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<v Speaker 1>So but I mean, do you think that's a that's

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<v Speaker 1>a for real set dresser.

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<v Speaker 2>And let's get him on. Let's get the EPR who

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<v Speaker 2>show ran that show. Let's get him on. We gotta

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<v Speaker 2>find Okay, we gotta figure it out. Let's get we've

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<v Speaker 2>never it's just dig Wolf. We'll get Dick wolf in.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not gonna spill the beans. He has too much

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<v Speaker 2>riding on it. We need it.

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<v Speaker 4>Who show ran? Let's get this person on. Yeah. I

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<v Speaker 4>think we're gonna get to the bottom of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Guys, Yes, we have to get to the bottom of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's a down to Noon written by Don de Noon. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>get anyway, Thank you to the Thank you to the

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<v Speaker 1>dozens of people who have sent us that meme.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously, so, and there is an archive on Vulture, so

0:21:52.359 --> 0:21:54.879
<v Speaker 2>you guys know, there's a cinematrix. They do a telemtrix.

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<v Speaker 2>It updates every Monday and Thursday, so you would have

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<v Speaker 2>missed it, but they do an archive and there is

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<v Speaker 2>one that's Marishka Maloney iced tea harder than you'd think,

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<v Speaker 2>very hard, and go to Wednesday April twenty seconds.

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<v Speaker 4>They tell a matrix and that well you can play,

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<v Speaker 4>so I have. I saw.

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<v Speaker 2>So the categories are fifty plus episodes, so show with

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<v Speaker 2>fifty plus episodes. The next one is three plus words

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<v Speaker 2>in title, and then one is network TV. So I

0:22:23.119 --> 0:22:25.600
<v Speaker 2>right now still have one blank for Marishka. I have

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<v Speaker 2>one blank for each of them in different categories because

0:22:28.520 --> 0:22:30.280
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to use. I don't want to use.

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<v Speaker 2>One of them is three words three plus words in

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<v Speaker 2>the title, and I'm like, I can only think of.

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<v Speaker 4>Fucking Maloney shows that are one word besides I know,

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<v Speaker 4>but then I thought of one. And you're going to

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<v Speaker 4>feel silly when you don't think of it.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think because it took me a while in

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<v Speaker 2>my brain, okay, but then it hit me, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think you personally, specifically, would be disappointed if you didn't

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<v Speaker 2>think of this.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh I know it.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you Thank you for that guest, thank you, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you for that heavy hint which I got.

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<v Speaker 5>It wasn't even that heavy, I know, it's not, but

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<v Speaker 5>I know myself. Yeah, okay, all right, we should we

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<v Speaker 5>sh star, but I do want to do a reading corner.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm sorry, it has to happen. I could say, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>I could take anything healthy and turn it unhealthy. I

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<v Speaker 5>have like fifteen books around my apartment. I'm like a

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<v Speaker 5>fucking mad woman right now. But Pony Sweat was in Brooklyn.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know if I told you that, Yeah, you

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<v Speaker 5>told me, you told me so.

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<v Speaker 2>Julia and I went, but I had to wait for

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<v Speaker 2>her and there was a bookstore right there, and she

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<v Speaker 2>said it was like a really popular, cool bookstore. So

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<v Speaker 2>I ended up buying some books and she told me

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<v Speaker 2>to buy this. I wouldn't have looked at it and

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<v Speaker 2>hardcovers are heavy, and thank god I did. I guess

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<v Speaker 2>Anne Hathaway just bought the rights to it. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>like the hip book right now. It's called Yesteryear. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my god. I am like so impressed. It's so cool,

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<v Speaker 2>it's so biting, it is so smart. I'm obsessed and

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<v Speaker 2>I've been sitting at parks again and bars and on

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<v Speaker 2>the my stoop.

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<v Speaker 4>I can't operating. I'm reading it every night.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm writing this down, but I was about to say,

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<v Speaker 2>I think you would like it and maybe we can

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<v Speaker 2>talk about it on the Patreon because I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to do official book club stuff. But this is about

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<v Speaker 2>a trad wife influencer, yes, who wakes up and it's

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen fifty five.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, yes your year book, putting it in my notes

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<v Speaker 1>on my phone, will purchase and.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank god someone told me to get this. I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't because you know, I'm still in my gay

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<v Speaker 2>universe at the moment.

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<v Speaker 4>But this is like.

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<v Speaker 2>I am, like, I'm so impressed with this, and this

0:24:34.880 --> 0:24:37.520
<v Speaker 2>is her first novel and I just think it's such

0:24:37.640 --> 0:24:40.320
<v Speaker 2>biting satire. And I read it at the bar called

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<v Speaker 2>Swift for Jonathan Swift, and that's that's the piece, Like

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<v Speaker 2>his piece is like one of his things is how

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<v Speaker 2>I learned satire in high school? Oh right, And so

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<v Speaker 2>like I just couldn't believe I got to read this

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<v Speaker 2>in that bar with a happy hourginis.

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<v Speaker 4>But I don't know, I'm just blown a way. She

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<v Speaker 4>really like, again.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm new to reading, so it's like, I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if you can take me at my word of what.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not just because you don't read all the time

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't mean you're like, yeah, but I'm gonna.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm but Ashley Hamilton, who's like a book girl, she

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<v Speaker 2>said she was like she didn't see certain things coming.

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<v Speaker 4>And I'm not even very up but like, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 4>finish it, but I'm.

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<v Speaker 1>Gonna read it because I really need a reason to

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<v Speaker 1>get into a book. I really need you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>get into it right away. There are lines in there

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm like, holy shit, it is like everything is

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<v Speaker 1>so layered. It's like I can't even believe it. I

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<v Speaker 1>really can't believe it.

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<v Speaker 2>So I hope we can connect about it all right,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, Casey, maybe you can get to it too.

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<v Speaker 3>Well.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm finishing this by Sunday because I'm gonna give it

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<v Speaker 2>to Marsha like I think I'm gonna because I want

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<v Speaker 2>everyone to read it so then I can talk about

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<v Speaker 2>it with all the girls, all my smart girls.

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<v Speaker 4>Look at this. It's happening. That's really exciting.

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<v Speaker 2>So I have a name drop well who took me

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<v Speaker 2>to Waxahatchie and MJ was Caleb the night.

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<v Speaker 4>That's what I assumed because he's like good friends with.

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<v Speaker 2>Her, right with our best friends, and so like uh,

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<v Speaker 2>that was the night before the Devil War's product premiere,

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<v Speaker 2>so his outfit was on the chair.

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<v Speaker 1>So I was like, Okay, did you see I mean

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<v Speaker 1>you probably did, But like there's this one guy that

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know who he is, but he looks like

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<v Speaker 1>he's like a fashion influencer. And he dressed as Andy

0:26:21.080 --> 0:26:24.760
<v Speaker 1>pre makeover, like the cerulean sweater and like a collared

0:26:24.880 --> 0:26:27.520
<v Speaker 1>shirt at the premiere, but he wore pants.

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<v Speaker 4>That kind of looked like her skirt.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I'm like really loving what people are doing at

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<v Speaker 1>that premiere.

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<v Speaker 2>God, I mean, there's so much going on in the

0:26:37.080 --> 0:26:40.560
<v Speaker 2>world we didn't even talk about, like Sabrina Carpenter and Madonna,

0:26:41.240 --> 0:26:43.520
<v Speaker 2>Like I didn't even talk about Wes and Amanda at

0:26:43.520 --> 0:26:46.959
<v Speaker 2>the Yankees game. I mean, the world is giving us

0:26:47.040 --> 0:26:53.080
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<v Speaker 1>and uh, let's get started. Got a great episode, all right?

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<v Speaker 1>Today we are doing the episode Recall, Season eight, episode three.

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<v Speaker 1>This came out in October of two thousand and six.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember it, but this is another one that I've seen.

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<v Speaker 1>But I was like the ending. I kind of needed

0:28:14.600 --> 0:28:16.359
<v Speaker 1>reminders about the end it Like as it went on,

0:28:16.400 --> 0:28:18.119
<v Speaker 1>I go, oh, yeah, that's what's gonna happen. Like there

0:28:18.119 --> 0:28:19.520
<v Speaker 1>were points of it where I was like, how does

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<v Speaker 1>this end?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I had no idea what was happening until I

0:28:22.040 --> 0:28:24.080
<v Speaker 2>saw one of the characters and then yeah, immediately what

0:28:24.119 --> 0:28:27.080
<v Speaker 2>was happening? But well, yeah, there's a lot of there's

0:28:27.080 --> 0:28:28.480
<v Speaker 2>a lot of fun in it. But I keep thinking

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<v Speaker 2>about total recall and then I realized I don't even

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<v Speaker 2>know what Total Recall is. So then I googled it

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, oh, Sharon Stone, okay, Arnold Schwortznagger.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know what this Total seen this, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen it when I was a kid. I actually

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<v Speaker 2>saw it a lot. There is a woman with three

0:28:43.640 --> 0:28:45.560
<v Speaker 2>boobs in it, and that is obviously impressibly.

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<v Speaker 4>I know about the three book. Yeah, I've heard of

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<v Speaker 4>the three boob woman.

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<v Speaker 1>And isn't there a scene Casey in a Total Recall

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<v Speaker 1>where somebody can't breathe, like because like their helmet.

0:28:56.280 --> 0:28:56.840
<v Speaker 4>Least is something.

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<v Speaker 1>There's like somebody gets put into an area where there's

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<v Speaker 1>no oxygen, And to me, it's like the most scary

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<v Speaker 1>scene of like to me, what it would be like

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<v Speaker 1>if you were in space and you couldn't breathe or something.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like every somebody goes like nuts, they can't breathe.

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<v Speaker 1>But that is they're on Mars or were are they?

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<v Speaker 1>They're on like another yeah, the Virtual Vacation and Mar. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't remember the suffocating helmets.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, in that movie. It might be fucking crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>You should watch it. It's crazy Total Recalls crazy.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>I was having like thoughts about how I do have

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<v Speaker 2>like dreams of being in action movies and doing cool stuff.

0:29:32.360 --> 0:29:33.960
<v Speaker 2>And then I was thinking, if they did have to

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<v Speaker 2>do a cast of my face, I would have to

0:29:35.920 --> 0:29:40.000
<v Speaker 2>turn down the role. Like I don't think I could

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<v Speaker 2>do a plaster of my face, Like I really don't

0:29:42.480 --> 0:29:45.000
<v Speaker 2>think i'd be able to do it. Do you think

0:29:45.000 --> 0:29:47.040
<v Speaker 2>about that? Would you be able to plaster your face?

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<v Speaker 2>I think I could do it. I think I would

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<v Speaker 2>be really uncomfortable.

0:29:50.520 --> 0:29:52.720
<v Speaker 1>But I think if it was like you, we need

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<v Speaker 1>this so that we can, you know, for the multimillion

0:29:55.000 --> 0:29:56.840
<v Speaker 1>dollar role that you are in this movie, I think

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<v Speaker 1>I would do it.

0:29:58.040 --> 0:29:58.480
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I'd have to go into full I don't know,

0:30:00.440 --> 0:30:02.520
<v Speaker 2>i'd have to go to the guy that Jim Carrey

0:30:02.640 --> 0:30:04.640
<v Speaker 2>used for or.

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<v Speaker 1>Just like do it to me lying down like so

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<v Speaker 1>I can just like fall asleep or something like.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know. I would try to like completely zone

0:30:10.480 --> 0:30:13.320
<v Speaker 4>out and disassociate. Well, no, I know all the things

0:30:13.360 --> 0:30:14.200
<v Speaker 4>I would try to do.

0:30:14.280 --> 0:30:18.080
<v Speaker 2>I would also to do those things I don't think

0:30:18.120 --> 0:30:20.440
<v Speaker 2>i'd be able to, Like I don't like just thinking

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<v Speaker 2>about it right now, like just a straw, like just

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<v Speaker 2>oh yeah for the breathing. Yeah, to the breathings all

0:30:27.120 --> 0:30:34.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking about. Okay, to we get started. So recall

0:30:34.800 --> 0:30:37.840
<v Speaker 2>this is season eight, just to get everybody to rip

0:30:37.880 --> 0:30:40.320
<v Speaker 2>the band aid off. It's a back season, Okay, everybody,

0:30:40.320 --> 0:30:41.480
<v Speaker 2>it's a back episode.

0:30:41.640 --> 0:30:43.480
<v Speaker 1>This woman, the way that she was only in six

0:30:43.560 --> 0:30:47.720
<v Speaker 1>episodes and left such a like fucking impression on everybody

0:30:47.800 --> 0:30:48.720
<v Speaker 1>is so well.

0:30:49.080 --> 0:30:53.760
<v Speaker 2>She was making moves on Stabler, kissing around, breaking rules

0:30:53.880 --> 0:30:56.080
<v Speaker 2>thinking she knows better, but she has trauma.

0:30:56.400 --> 0:30:59.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and this is her second episode, so we've only

0:30:59.160 --> 0:31:01.440
<v Speaker 1>worked with her in one other episode, and I think

0:31:01.560 --> 0:31:04.200
<v Speaker 1>it was like, I think it's like the Turner syndrome

0:31:04.240 --> 0:31:06.320
<v Speaker 1>episode where like the girl looks really.

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<v Speaker 4>Young but she's not or whatever.

0:31:07.560 --> 0:31:11.440
<v Speaker 1>But yes, I think that, Yeah, I think that's the

0:31:11.480 --> 0:31:14.480
<v Speaker 1>first one. And so we opened a night Sabler and

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<v Speaker 1>Beck are in hot pursuit of a behoodied man and

0:31:17.600 --> 0:31:20.520
<v Speaker 1>he's going for the river. They're duck in behind cars.

0:31:20.600 --> 0:31:23.840
<v Speaker 1>It's action. Stabler stops back from getting hit by a

0:31:23.880 --> 0:31:27.000
<v Speaker 1>bus and then ultimately they lose the guy. Stabler lets

0:31:27.000 --> 0:31:31.120
<v Speaker 1>out this really frustrated growl. He's like rah, like he's mad,

0:31:31.680 --> 0:31:35.320
<v Speaker 1>and then cut to CSU Tech Ryan o'healer and friend

0:31:35.320 --> 0:31:37.440
<v Speaker 1>of the pod. Mike Doyle shows up goes heard you

0:31:37.480 --> 0:31:39.360
<v Speaker 1>too ran a marathon and Beck's like yeah, and the

0:31:39.400 --> 0:31:43.080
<v Speaker 1>purp one the crime scene is blocks away, but Stabler

0:31:43.640 --> 0:31:46.240
<v Speaker 1>wants this guy to check for prints on the side

0:31:46.480 --> 0:31:49.520
<v Speaker 1>of two cars that he saw the purp crouch down

0:31:49.560 --> 0:31:51.920
<v Speaker 1>between them and he was not wearing gloves. So the

0:31:52.040 --> 0:31:54.480
<v Speaker 1>uniform cop shows up and is like, yeah, the victims

0:31:54.480 --> 0:31:58.000
<v Speaker 1>at the hospital, she's moving on her own steam. I

0:31:58.040 --> 0:32:00.560
<v Speaker 1>had never heard that phrase before, so I did google it,

0:32:01.120 --> 0:32:04.840
<v Speaker 1>and it means doing something independently without any help, moving

0:32:04.840 --> 0:32:07.120
<v Speaker 1>on your own steam. I've never heard that before, So

0:32:07.320 --> 0:32:09.760
<v Speaker 1>now you can bank that everybody into your.

0:32:10.360 --> 0:32:12.600
<v Speaker 4>Idioms or whatever. I don't know where it comes who

0:32:12.640 --> 0:32:13.240
<v Speaker 4>says it, but.

0:32:13.880 --> 0:32:16.440
<v Speaker 1>And the cop says the rape kid is done. They're

0:32:16.480 --> 0:32:19.120
<v Speaker 1>just checking for other injuries, and Beck is like, what

0:32:19.160 --> 0:32:21.240
<v Speaker 1>did he do to her? And then we cut to that.

0:32:21.280 --> 0:32:24.040
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's like he did what most of you know.

0:32:24.080 --> 0:32:25.640
<v Speaker 1>You've only been in this unit for like a week,

0:32:25.760 --> 0:32:27.960
<v Speaker 1>so you're going to get more of these. We cut

0:32:28.000 --> 0:32:30.440
<v Speaker 1>to the hospital curtain being pulled back to reveal Nicki,

0:32:30.480 --> 0:32:33.160
<v Speaker 1>the victim, sitting there, and she looks really bad, like

0:32:33.560 --> 0:32:37.080
<v Speaker 1>multiple facial lacerations, big black Eye. It's tough, like she's

0:32:37.160 --> 0:32:38.960
<v Speaker 1>already been stitched up in a few places.

0:32:39.280 --> 0:32:43.120
<v Speaker 4>And Nicki is played by Lily Robb, who I.

0:32:42.880 --> 0:32:45.880
<v Speaker 1>Did sit next to at gymnastics one time, but did

0:32:45.880 --> 0:32:48.440
<v Speaker 1>not find the right moment to bring up my SVU podcast.

0:32:49.200 --> 0:32:52.080
<v Speaker 1>She has done all three franchises, and it seems like

0:32:52.120 --> 0:32:54.640
<v Speaker 1>Criminal Intent and SVU were some of her first TV credits.

0:32:55.520 --> 0:32:58.640
<v Speaker 1>She is like a regular in the American Horror Story Universe,

0:32:59.080 --> 0:33:02.960
<v Speaker 1>and she has three children with Hamish link Later, who

0:33:03.000 --> 0:33:05.200
<v Speaker 1>I saw do Shakespeare in the Park and she's done

0:33:05.200 --> 0:33:07.760
<v Speaker 1>a ton of Shakespeare. They're like a theater power couple

0:33:07.760 --> 0:33:10.040
<v Speaker 1>of these two. And he was in the episode of

0:33:10.040 --> 0:33:12.080
<v Speaker 1>Manhattan Vigil where he like loses his son on the

0:33:12.080 --> 0:33:15.200
<v Speaker 1>train because he's like sort of not paying attention. And

0:33:15.600 --> 0:33:18.160
<v Speaker 1>what I didn't realize is that Lily Rob's mom is

0:33:18.240 --> 0:33:22.800
<v Speaker 1>Jill Clayburg, who is kind of iconic and you might

0:33:22.920 --> 0:33:25.560
<v Speaker 1>a lot of you might know her from being Kristen

0:33:25.560 --> 0:33:29.480
<v Speaker 1>Wiggs's mom and Bridesmaids, and she actually she actually made

0:33:29.480 --> 0:33:31.680
<v Speaker 1>that movie and then died before Bridessmaids came out. She

0:33:31.680 --> 0:33:34.120
<v Speaker 1>passed away in twenty ten, so she died before that

0:33:34.160 --> 0:33:36.640
<v Speaker 1>movie like got as big as it did. So I

0:33:36.680 --> 0:33:39.640
<v Speaker 1>didn't know that Lily rob was like, you know, from

0:33:39.680 --> 0:33:42.840
<v Speaker 1>this Nepo family and her dad is a playwright who

0:33:42.880 --> 0:33:43.800
<v Speaker 1>wrote Hurley.

0:33:43.520 --> 0:33:45.360
<v Speaker 4>Burley and like other well known plays.

0:33:45.400 --> 0:33:51.320
<v Speaker 1>So Stabler and Beck introduced themselves to Nikki and she

0:33:51.440 --> 0:33:53.880
<v Speaker 1>just immediately starts crying like why me, why did he

0:33:53.960 --> 0:33:55.880
<v Speaker 1>do this to me? And Stabler's like, we're going to

0:33:55.960 --> 0:33:58.800
<v Speaker 1>take care of you, and you know, Stabler immediately goes

0:33:58.840 --> 0:34:00.840
<v Speaker 1>into like comforting mode, like we're gonna get you some

0:34:00.880 --> 0:34:03.240
<v Speaker 1>clothes first, and Beck like still can't handle SPU, like

0:34:03.240 --> 0:34:04.680
<v Speaker 1>she does not know how to talk to victims, and

0:34:04.760 --> 0:34:06.760
<v Speaker 1>like that's gonna be made more apparent as we go.

0:34:07.280 --> 0:34:10.040
<v Speaker 1>So at the precinct now after the credits, Munch is

0:34:10.080 --> 0:34:12.560
<v Speaker 1>calling the place a dump. Well he's trying to find

0:34:12.600 --> 0:34:15.359
<v Speaker 1>Nikiya ginger Ale and he's like, how bad is it?

0:34:15.400 --> 0:34:19.239
<v Speaker 1>And Stabler starts going breaking it down in acronyms, going

0:34:19.280 --> 0:34:21.799
<v Speaker 1>you know, M to P, P to V, and Beck

0:34:21.880 --> 0:34:23.920
<v Speaker 1>needs help. She doesn't get it, and he's like, you know,

0:34:24.000 --> 0:34:26.640
<v Speaker 1>mouth to penis, penis of vagina. I've never heard them

0:34:27.080 --> 0:34:29.400
<v Speaker 1>describe an assault like that before or since.

0:34:30.560 --> 0:34:32.440
<v Speaker 4>And I don't love it. It reminds me of like

0:34:32.520 --> 0:34:34.520
<v Speaker 4>the way we used to talk in college about stuff.

0:34:35.440 --> 0:34:40.640
<v Speaker 1>And Beck wants to know if they usually catch these guys,

0:34:40.680 --> 0:34:43.360
<v Speaker 1>and Stabler goes, well, you know, most rapes, the victim

0:34:43.520 --> 0:34:46.560
<v Speaker 1>knows their attacker. And then like when it comes to cereals,

0:34:46.600 --> 0:34:48.920
<v Speaker 1>there were eleven in Manhattan last year. We caught seven

0:34:48.960 --> 0:34:51.759
<v Speaker 1>of them to by accident with cold DNA hits on

0:34:51.800 --> 0:34:55.640
<v Speaker 1>guys already in the system, so they're already you could

0:34:55.640 --> 0:34:57.200
<v Speaker 1>tell they're going to start playing with the DNA of

0:34:57.200 --> 0:34:58.800
<v Speaker 1>it all, Like this episode came out in two thousand

0:34:58.840 --> 0:35:03.879
<v Speaker 1>and six. NA still it feels fresh, like a fresh technology,

0:35:04.640 --> 0:35:06.440
<v Speaker 1>and they have to talk to Nicki while the details

0:35:06.440 --> 0:35:09.319
<v Speaker 1>are still fresh in her mind. But Beck, you can feel,

0:35:09.360 --> 0:35:10.560
<v Speaker 1>is kind of trying to get out of it. She's like,

0:35:10.560 --> 0:35:12.040
<v Speaker 1>why don't I hit the computer and see if this

0:35:12.040 --> 0:35:14.000
<v Speaker 1>guy's m O matches others in the system.

0:35:14.480 --> 0:35:15.359
<v Speaker 4>So then we're talking.

0:35:15.440 --> 0:35:19.080
<v Speaker 1>Nicki's talking to Stabler describing her attack, like this guy

0:35:19.120 --> 0:35:22.200
<v Speaker 1>forced her to perform oral sex, slammed her against a wall,

0:35:22.280 --> 0:35:24.359
<v Speaker 1>he assaulted her from behind, and then wiped her down

0:35:24.400 --> 0:35:26.840
<v Speaker 1>with wet naps the kind that have alcohol in them,

0:35:27.080 --> 0:35:30.360
<v Speaker 1>and finn Is telling Kragan, well, we didn't find anything

0:35:30.400 --> 0:35:32.120
<v Speaker 1>at the crime scene, like none of the wet naps,

0:35:32.160 --> 0:35:35.640
<v Speaker 1>no fluids, like nothing, and Nicki goes, he was older,

0:35:36.280 --> 0:35:40.040
<v Speaker 1>like in his forties. She would maybe just witch rude.

0:35:40.200 --> 0:35:42.400
<v Speaker 1>She could maybe describe him to an artist. But it

0:35:42.480 --> 0:35:45.359
<v Speaker 1>was dark and she saw something on his hand. It

0:35:45.400 --> 0:35:48.120
<v Speaker 1>was a scar. It looked like a capital L, but

0:35:48.160 --> 0:35:50.960
<v Speaker 1>with the bottom line going the other way. So now

0:35:51.000 --> 0:35:54.080
<v Speaker 1>Craigan is Stabler are talking, and Craigan's like, shut the door,

0:35:54.160 --> 0:35:57.880
<v Speaker 1>which never good. It's usually not good when you're usually

0:35:57.880 --> 0:36:00.600
<v Speaker 1>getting in trouble. But JK, it's just wants to talk

0:36:00.640 --> 0:36:02.839
<v Speaker 1>shit about back and find out how she's doing. So

0:36:02.880 --> 0:36:05.480
<v Speaker 1>Stabler's like, oh, she's doing great, Like I hear she's

0:36:05.520 --> 0:36:07.799
<v Speaker 1>a real pro. And Craigan's like, maybe too much of

0:36:07.840 --> 0:36:10.319
<v Speaker 1>a pro. I hear her CEO and warrants dumped her

0:36:10.400 --> 0:36:14.279
<v Speaker 1>for being over zealous. Most warrant detectives bring in eight

0:36:14.280 --> 0:36:16.759
<v Speaker 1>guys a month. She was bringing in twelve thirteen. And

0:36:16.800 --> 0:36:19.360
<v Speaker 1>Stabler's like, yeah, okay, that sounds like talent to me.

0:36:19.840 --> 0:36:22.960
<v Speaker 1>And Craigan argues like, yeah, roughing up civilians isn't talent,

0:36:23.120 --> 0:36:26.640
<v Speaker 1>and Stabler's like, this is the first time anybody said

0:36:26.680 --> 0:36:29.680
<v Speaker 1>that to Stabler. I guess the king of roughing up civilians.

0:36:30.440 --> 0:36:33.399
<v Speaker 1>And Craigan just wants Stabler to keep an eye on Beck.

0:36:33.520 --> 0:36:35.920
<v Speaker 1>So she knocks, of course, right at that moment, and

0:36:35.960 --> 0:36:38.400
<v Speaker 1>comes in with a hit from O'Halleran that one of

0:36:38.400 --> 0:36:41.040
<v Speaker 1>the prints on the Jaguar where the guy was crouching

0:36:41.080 --> 0:36:44.600
<v Speaker 1>down hiding from them during the chase, belongs to a

0:36:44.600 --> 0:36:47.080
<v Speaker 1>guy named Barry Cole thirty two. He did five years

0:36:47.080 --> 0:36:50.400
<v Speaker 1>at Fishkill for a pushin robbery that became an assault,

0:36:50.600 --> 0:36:52.080
<v Speaker 1>and Craigan's like, go get him.

0:36:52.239 --> 0:36:55.719
<v Speaker 4>So in the car, Beck is using like.

0:36:55.680 --> 0:36:58.239
<v Speaker 1>A Pom pilot okay, and it has maps on it,

0:36:58.719 --> 0:37:02.360
<v Speaker 1>and Stabler is like, it's like he's looking at a

0:37:02.400 --> 0:37:04.560
<v Speaker 1>Genie lamp. He can't believe what he's seeing. He's like,

0:37:05.080 --> 0:37:07.400
<v Speaker 1>he goes, does the city pay for that? And she goes, no,

0:37:07.520 --> 0:37:09.239
<v Speaker 1>I pay for it, and it's worth every penny, and

0:37:09.280 --> 0:37:12.080
<v Speaker 1>she basically explains a smartphone to him. He goes, it's

0:37:12.080 --> 0:37:15.960
<v Speaker 1>got email, my contacts, the internet, maps, you name it.

0:37:16.200 --> 0:37:19.040
<v Speaker 1>You should get one, and Stabler's like no, he's obviously

0:37:19.120 --> 0:37:20.960
<v Speaker 1>a luddite. He's like, no, my kids had to help

0:37:20.960 --> 0:37:23.719
<v Speaker 1>me program speed dial on my cell phone, so just

0:37:23.840 --> 0:37:26.319
<v Speaker 1>hilarious because speed dial is not even really a thing.

0:37:27.360 --> 0:37:30.239
<v Speaker 1>And he asks her, He's like, what's that accent from

0:37:30.320 --> 0:37:33.560
<v Speaker 1>European something? And she goes, I was born in Denmark.

0:37:33.600 --> 0:37:36.719
<v Speaker 1>I came to the States after I got married, And

0:37:37.360 --> 0:37:38.480
<v Speaker 1>I kind of wonder how she.

0:37:38.440 --> 0:37:40.560
<v Speaker 4>Became a detective so quickly. But maybe it's like not

0:37:40.640 --> 0:37:41.080
<v Speaker 4>that hard.

0:37:41.760 --> 0:37:44.440
<v Speaker 1>But I was looking up Beck's background on the Wikipedia

0:37:44.960 --> 0:37:48.120
<v Speaker 1>of the SVU Wikipedia and one of the trivia bits

0:37:48.160 --> 0:37:51.920
<v Speaker 1>about her is. Fan reception towards Beck was largely negative,

0:37:52.000 --> 0:37:54.960
<v Speaker 1>mostly due to Beck and Stabler's romantic tension compared to

0:37:55.000 --> 0:37:57.440
<v Speaker 1>Benson and Stablers, as well as her character being what

0:37:57.520 --> 0:38:00.759
<v Speaker 1>fans called a poor replacement to Benson. Nielsen later went

0:38:00.800 --> 0:38:03.200
<v Speaker 1>on to say she would never return to SVU due

0:38:03.200 --> 0:38:05.240
<v Speaker 1>to the poor reception towards her character.

0:38:05.880 --> 0:38:08.320
<v Speaker 4>So we ruined this lady's life after.

0:38:08.200 --> 0:38:11.280
<v Speaker 2>Six episodes now, but she at least knows that she's hated.

0:38:11.760 --> 0:38:14.839
<v Speaker 1>Yeah for Beck, Yeah, because then I remember that last

0:38:14.840 --> 0:38:16.880
<v Speaker 1>thing I saw. The next thing I saw Connie Nielsen

0:38:16.960 --> 0:38:20.360
<v Speaker 1>in was Wonder Woman, where she plays like Wonder Woman's

0:38:20.400 --> 0:38:23.520
<v Speaker 1>like mom or grandma or like in the woman the

0:38:23.600 --> 0:38:27.080
<v Speaker 1>beautiful Amazonian tribe of women or whatever, and that was

0:38:27.120 --> 0:38:29.160
<v Speaker 1>a pretty big role for her. But I don't know

0:38:29.160 --> 0:38:32.840
<v Speaker 1>what else she's doing anyway, She tells the whole story.

0:38:32.880 --> 0:38:34.640
<v Speaker 1>She met her American husband in Germany when he was

0:38:34.680 --> 0:38:37.759
<v Speaker 1>stationed there she was studying. She asks about Benson, what

0:38:37.800 --> 0:38:41.000
<v Speaker 1>happened with your partner? He tells her she got pulled

0:38:41.000 --> 0:38:43.200
<v Speaker 1>in for an undercovered job. Oh, how long were you

0:38:43.200 --> 0:38:45.480
<v Speaker 1>guys together? Seven years? How long were you in Warrens

0:38:45.520 --> 0:38:48.040
<v Speaker 1>three and a half years? Just had enough, he asks.

0:38:48.080 --> 0:38:50.719
<v Speaker 1>He's obviously fishing for information, and then she's like, oh,

0:38:50.719 --> 0:38:53.480
<v Speaker 1>we're here, so you know, Google Map saves them in

0:38:53.480 --> 0:38:56.360
<v Speaker 1>the nick of time. Upstairs, Beck is banging on the

0:38:56.400 --> 0:38:59.680
<v Speaker 1>door of this apartment. A woman is yelling, who is it.

0:39:00.360 --> 0:39:02.040
<v Speaker 4>I'm coming. I just need to put something on, you know,

0:39:02.200 --> 0:39:04.000
<v Speaker 4>classic like stalling.

0:39:04.680 --> 0:39:08.560
<v Speaker 2>But it's also like what if she was topless at home,

0:39:08.640 --> 0:39:11.279
<v Speaker 2>Like it's not that crazy to be like, give me

0:39:11.320 --> 0:39:13.879
<v Speaker 2>a second, I was not expecting you let me put

0:39:13.920 --> 0:39:14.480
<v Speaker 2>on a shirt.

0:39:14.800 --> 0:39:17.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that they were looking.

0:39:18.120 --> 0:39:20.560
<v Speaker 1>She makes a stabler look under the door, because I

0:39:20.560 --> 0:39:23.120
<v Speaker 1>think if someone's running back and forth, it's probably a

0:39:23.160 --> 0:39:25.640
<v Speaker 1>little bit more of a scramble than throwing on a tank, right, Like,

0:39:25.760 --> 0:39:29.359
<v Speaker 1>I think that's what her the vibe was. But this

0:39:29.400 --> 0:39:31.359
<v Speaker 1>woman when she opens the door is a classic lawed

0:39:31.440 --> 0:39:34.480
<v Speaker 1>order character. Immediately, what do you want? We want this guy?

0:39:34.560 --> 0:39:37.080
<v Speaker 1>He's not here. You can look around, but make it quick.

0:39:37.080 --> 0:39:38.960
<v Speaker 1>I got work in the morning. Also, her name is

0:39:39.000 --> 0:39:43.120
<v Speaker 1>Ophelia Jones, which is hilarious. It's like from the name

0:39:43.160 --> 0:39:45.439
<v Speaker 1>Book of Persephone James or whatever whatever.

0:39:45.440 --> 0:39:47.840
<v Speaker 4>I forgot what Persephonie's last name is. I think it's James.

0:39:48.160 --> 0:39:50.359
<v Speaker 4>But Beck goes in and feels the bed.

0:39:50.440 --> 0:39:53.200
<v Speaker 1>The bed is warm, and she's like, no, he was here, Ophelia,

0:39:53.320 --> 0:39:55.799
<v Speaker 1>you're lying to me. And then they spot this guy

0:39:55.800 --> 0:39:56.760
<v Speaker 1>on the fire escape.

0:39:56.800 --> 0:39:58.719
<v Speaker 4>He's running. Stabler chases him down.

0:39:59.040 --> 0:40:01.879
<v Speaker 1>Beck takes the front and as the guy runs towards her,

0:40:01.920 --> 0:40:04.520
<v Speaker 1>she's around a corner. She waits in the shadows with

0:40:04.560 --> 0:40:07.600
<v Speaker 1>an impact baton and then pulls like a Jeff Galulian,

0:40:07.760 --> 0:40:09.800
<v Speaker 1>smacks him in the knees and brings him right down,

0:40:10.280 --> 0:40:12.680
<v Speaker 1>and they arrest him for rape, and he's like, rape,

0:40:12.680 --> 0:40:15.879
<v Speaker 1>We didn't rape anyone. And Stabler's like an impact baton, Huh,

0:40:15.880 --> 0:40:17.560
<v Speaker 1>that's obviously how I know what it's called, Guys, I

0:40:17.600 --> 0:40:20.560
<v Speaker 1>did not know it was called an impact baton. Yeah,

0:40:20.640 --> 0:40:23.239
<v Speaker 1>Stabler goes impact baton, huh, and she goes, you know,

0:40:23.239 --> 0:40:25.279
<v Speaker 1>you should lose the sports jacket and the shoes. It

0:40:25.360 --> 0:40:28.640
<v Speaker 1>slows you down, And it is true, Like, why are

0:40:28.719 --> 0:40:32.600
<v Speaker 1>you wearing a like for when you're going to if

0:40:32.600 --> 0:40:34.759
<v Speaker 1>you're going to court? Yeah, I get the jacket, but like,

0:40:34.800 --> 0:40:36.360
<v Speaker 1>if you know you're gonna go to a sub suspects

0:40:36.400 --> 0:40:38.439
<v Speaker 1>house where you very well might have to like pull

0:40:38.480 --> 0:40:42.080
<v Speaker 1>your weapon or chase someone, we don't need the sport coat.

0:40:42.120 --> 0:40:45.600
<v Speaker 1>We don't need the Joseph Abank happening over there, Stabler.

0:40:46.000 --> 0:40:50.799
<v Speaker 1>But they're definitely building a case that Beck like has

0:40:50.840 --> 0:40:54.480
<v Speaker 1>this baton. Maybe she's too violent, maybe she's too forceful whatever,

0:40:55.160 --> 0:40:58.760
<v Speaker 1>So sos this guy, I know, so is Stabler?

0:40:58.800 --> 0:41:01.920
<v Speaker 4>Is that what you mean? Yeah? Yeah, he just uses

0:41:01.960 --> 0:41:02.719
<v Speaker 4>his fists.

0:41:03.920 --> 0:41:05.719
<v Speaker 1>So now top of that two, they're bringing this guy

0:41:05.719 --> 0:41:08.160
<v Speaker 1>into the sixteenth Precinct and he is not talking to them.

0:41:08.200 --> 0:41:09.760
<v Speaker 1>He's like, you should have brought me to the hospital.

0:41:09.760 --> 0:41:12.920
<v Speaker 1>He's limping as Beck takes him in to get booked.

0:41:12.920 --> 0:41:15.640
<v Speaker 1>O'Halloran wants a moment with Stabler, and he's like he

0:41:15.719 --> 0:41:18.760
<v Speaker 1>reveals that he told beck I wasn't done processing the Prince,

0:41:18.960 --> 0:41:22.080
<v Speaker 1>like the Jaguar was a rental and Barry Cole works

0:41:22.120 --> 0:41:25.279
<v Speaker 1>at the rental place. Like feels like something we could

0:41:25.280 --> 0:41:27.760
<v Speaker 1>have easily looked into before we knocked on this man's

0:41:27.800 --> 0:41:30.680
<v Speaker 1>home and then like hobbled him that it's a rental

0:41:30.719 --> 0:41:33.520
<v Speaker 1>car and he works at Hurts, you know what I mean?

0:41:33.640 --> 0:41:36.080
<v Speaker 1>Like that doesn't feel like that takes too much beat

0:41:36.120 --> 0:41:40.600
<v Speaker 1>boop beep bopping on the computer. And also the prints

0:41:40.680 --> 0:41:43.359
<v Speaker 1>were on the driver's side, like the passenger side door,

0:41:43.440 --> 0:41:45.920
<v Speaker 1>and this guy was crouching between on the driver's side.

0:41:46.320 --> 0:41:49.479
<v Speaker 1>And also it's just like two prints, whereas this guy

0:41:50.320 --> 0:41:52.719
<v Speaker 1>like he found a set of ten clear prints of

0:41:52.719 --> 0:41:55.280
<v Speaker 1>a perp that would like be crouching down and basically

0:41:55.360 --> 0:41:58.279
<v Speaker 1>using his two hands to balance himself in between the

0:41:58.320 --> 0:42:01.359
<v Speaker 1>two cars. And the Princes aren't aphis, but they are

0:42:01.400 --> 0:42:04.319
<v Speaker 1>in the state system. They belong to Martin Trenway, who

0:42:04.400 --> 0:42:07.840
<v Speaker 1>was fingerprinted back in nineteen seventy seven when Dunt Dunn

0:42:08.239 --> 0:42:11.640
<v Speaker 1>he became an assistant District attorney in Manhattan. So oh,

0:42:11.719 --> 0:42:14.440
<v Speaker 1>how so we got an inside job going on here

0:42:14.520 --> 0:42:17.759
<v Speaker 1>or something you know, O'Halloran said, I called back back

0:42:17.800 --> 0:42:20.000
<v Speaker 1>back to tell her, but you know, Barry Cole has

0:42:20.040 --> 0:42:21.799
<v Speaker 1>a record, so she thought he looked good for it.

0:42:22.280 --> 0:42:24.360
<v Speaker 1>So you know, now we're getting the full picture of

0:42:24.400 --> 0:42:26.759
<v Speaker 1>Beck being quote unquote over zealous, just going for this

0:42:26.800 --> 0:42:30.000
<v Speaker 1>guy because he has a record. Saylor tells Beck cut

0:42:30.040 --> 0:42:33.520
<v Speaker 1>Cole loose. She's like why, and he's like, bitch, you

0:42:33.600 --> 0:42:35.960
<v Speaker 1>know why, Like he wasn't the only lead. If you

0:42:35.960 --> 0:42:38.319
<v Speaker 1>would listen to O'Halloran, we wouldn't have had spent our

0:42:38.440 --> 0:42:41.279
<v Speaker 1>entire night chasing our tails looking for this guy and

0:42:41.640 --> 0:42:43.840
<v Speaker 1>caught him loose. Before Craigan finds out, he says, so

0:42:44.840 --> 0:42:47.840
<v Speaker 1>now we're at the law offices of Martin Trunway and

0:42:47.880 --> 0:42:51.160
<v Speaker 1>he is played by Charles Shaughnessy aka Missed the Chef

0:42:51.200 --> 0:42:52.520
<v Speaker 1>Field from the Nanny.

0:42:52.960 --> 0:42:55.160
<v Speaker 4>I mean, this is the only other thing I've ever seen.

0:42:55.040 --> 0:42:58.560
<v Speaker 2>Him in, right, Like, yeah, I don't you know him

0:42:58.560 --> 0:42:59.520
<v Speaker 2>from other stuff?

0:42:59.800 --> 0:43:02.239
<v Speaker 1>He and other stuff, Like I looked him up and

0:43:02.280 --> 0:43:05.239
<v Speaker 1>he's been he's been doing other stuff, but just.

0:43:06.520 --> 0:43:10.840
<v Speaker 4>Not to me, like not anything else. The man works,

0:43:10.840 --> 0:43:12.960
<v Speaker 4>but he's like, to me, he's mister Sheffield and I'm

0:43:12.960 --> 0:43:14.200
<v Speaker 4>not even a huge Nanny head.

0:43:14.239 --> 0:43:18.360
<v Speaker 2>But oh I am. I know that whole show was

0:43:18.440 --> 0:43:23.319
<v Speaker 2>cast perfectly. The wardrobe of the everything that show is

0:43:23.360 --> 0:43:27.839
<v Speaker 2>so funny. It holds up. It's like awesome, yeah.

0:43:27.280 --> 0:43:30.600
<v Speaker 4>And there will they won't they was? It was all awesome.

0:43:30.840 --> 0:43:31.279
<v Speaker 4>I love that.

0:43:31.480 --> 0:43:34.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm glad to see him here. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I

0:43:34.920 --> 0:43:37.959
<v Speaker 2>love it. And yeah, there's no way he's good news.

0:43:38.000 --> 0:43:40.040
<v Speaker 2>I mean, look at him. He looks too rich. He's

0:43:40.080 --> 0:43:41.319
<v Speaker 2>like too rich looking.

0:43:41.360 --> 0:43:43.080
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, I feel like we're not bringing in mister

0:43:43.120 --> 0:43:45.080
<v Speaker 1>Sheffield from The Nanny to be a red herring, right,

0:43:45.239 --> 0:43:47.920
<v Speaker 1>So they ask him about the car. They tell him

0:43:47.960 --> 0:43:50.040
<v Speaker 1>it was involved in a robbery and he's like, oh,

0:43:50.120 --> 0:43:52.919
<v Speaker 1>it was parked under the FDR And he's like, oh, yeah,

0:43:52.920 --> 0:43:55.160
<v Speaker 1>I rented the car to go to Jersey for a deposition.

0:43:55.239 --> 0:43:57.680
<v Speaker 1>I've got a toll receipt from the Holland Tunnel. And

0:43:58.480 --> 0:43:59.600
<v Speaker 1>they're like, no, that's okay.

0:43:59.680 --> 0:44:00.520
<v Speaker 4>We don't you know.

0:44:00.520 --> 0:44:02.000
<v Speaker 1>They're trying to lull him into like sort of a

0:44:02.040 --> 0:44:04.960
<v Speaker 1>false sets of confidence at the beginning and then stabler.

0:44:04.640 --> 0:44:07.000
<v Speaker 2>But also to just have that like I don't remember

0:44:07.040 --> 0:44:09.239
<v Speaker 2>what I'm doing, Like I think it's suspicious to have

0:44:09.280 --> 0:44:13.080
<v Speaker 2>these things and remember. But maybe people aren't smoking weed

0:44:13.200 --> 0:44:14.840
<v Speaker 2>like me. But if someone asked, I'd be like, let

0:44:14.920 --> 0:44:17.000
<v Speaker 2>me check, or like, what was that I think I

0:44:17.080 --> 0:44:19.920
<v Speaker 2>did this? Like I wouldn't immediately be like I went

0:44:19.960 --> 0:44:21.600
<v Speaker 2>to the hall tunnel and I kept the receipt.

0:44:22.280 --> 0:44:25.480
<v Speaker 1>When we do when we do intros for the podcast,

0:44:25.520 --> 0:44:27.560
<v Speaker 1>I have to literally go into my calendar from two

0:44:27.640 --> 0:44:29.760
<v Speaker 1>days earlier and go, what did I do this past weekend?

0:44:29.840 --> 0:44:32.000
<v Speaker 1>Like I don't remember what I did any day. If

0:44:32.000 --> 0:44:33.680
<v Speaker 1>you don't let me at my Google calendar, I'm going

0:44:33.719 --> 0:44:35.920
<v Speaker 1>down for murder. Like if you don't like I just

0:44:36.040 --> 0:44:39.439
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what I'm doing without my fucking shit,

0:44:39.640 --> 0:44:40.920
<v Speaker 1>So well, I don't know.

0:44:41.440 --> 0:44:43.799
<v Speaker 2>It's easy for me because I'm on a loop of

0:44:43.880 --> 0:44:47.240
<v Speaker 2>five things, so easy for me to com prepare.

0:44:47.280 --> 0:44:49.399
<v Speaker 1>I was reading, I was at Seoul, I was doing

0:44:49.400 --> 0:44:51.960
<v Speaker 1>a spot, and I like heated.

0:44:51.719 --> 0:44:53.360
<v Speaker 4>Rivalry, Like that's it.

0:44:54.200 --> 0:44:56.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, once in a while there might be something else

0:44:56.880 --> 0:45:00.919
<v Speaker 2>coming through, but not really. I I haven't even really

0:45:00.960 --> 0:45:03.400
<v Speaker 2>eaten anything kind of extraordinary.

0:45:03.840 --> 0:45:05.440
<v Speaker 4>What do you when? Are they going to release the

0:45:05.440 --> 0:45:05.960
<v Speaker 4>next season?

0:45:06.640 --> 0:45:10.000
<v Speaker 2>April twenty twenty seven, Oh so we've got a year. Okay,

0:45:10.040 --> 0:45:12.960
<v Speaker 2>it's gonna be like Game of throne situation. Well yeah,

0:45:12.960 --> 0:45:15.480
<v Speaker 2>but it's nice because then you'll get like they're yearning

0:45:15.520 --> 0:45:16.920
<v Speaker 2>for each other and have to wait, so like we

0:45:16.920 --> 0:45:17.760
<v Speaker 2>should all be waiting.

0:45:18.680 --> 0:45:20.880
<v Speaker 4>It's like, I yuess, that makes sense. That makes sense.

0:45:21.040 --> 0:45:24.000
<v Speaker 2>But they're also so busy. They're casting, they just finished writing.

0:45:24.120 --> 0:45:26.279
<v Speaker 2>I think they'll start in July or August, like I

0:45:26.280 --> 0:45:29.759
<v Speaker 2>don't know, but I kind of hate seeing pre set

0:45:29.840 --> 0:45:32.680
<v Speaker 2>photos like it's honestly a pet peeve because they just,

0:45:32.760 --> 0:45:35.920
<v Speaker 2>like some of Hudson in this movie he's filming in Toronto,

0:45:36.120 --> 0:45:38.440
<v Speaker 2>were released, and I get it's like press and fun,

0:45:39.320 --> 0:45:41.400
<v Speaker 2>but I hate it. I like to be surprised that

0:45:41.520 --> 0:45:44.040
<v Speaker 2>the movies even Devil War's product when it was outfits

0:45:44.080 --> 0:45:47.239
<v Speaker 2>before they came out. Any I don't like paparazzi of

0:45:47.360 --> 0:45:51.640
<v Speaker 2>being on set. No yeah, you disagree your shock No no,

0:45:51.640 --> 0:45:54.719
<v Speaker 2>no no no, I's a hot take, there's no yeah.

0:45:54.719 --> 0:45:56.200
<v Speaker 4>I don't have a feeling on it either way.

0:45:56.239 --> 0:45:58.239
<v Speaker 1>I guess most of the time, like when I see

0:45:58.280 --> 0:46:00.279
<v Speaker 1>a set photo, it's just somebody standing in like a

0:46:00.320 --> 0:46:04.000
<v Speaker 1>weird like with like a coat on, like outside their trailer,

0:46:04.040 --> 0:46:05.480
<v Speaker 1>and so it's not giving anything away to me.

0:46:05.560 --> 0:46:06.520
<v Speaker 4>But I know what you're saying.

0:46:06.840 --> 0:46:09.560
<v Speaker 1>Right before they leave talking to this Trendway guy, sablor

0:46:09.640 --> 0:46:11.800
<v Speaker 1>clock's a wrist injury. The guy's got like a brace

0:46:11.960 --> 0:46:13.880
<v Speaker 1>on or whatever, and he goes, Oh, I busted my

0:46:13.880 --> 0:46:17.360
<v Speaker 1>wrist playing baseball, or I'm sorry playing basketball. I shouldn't

0:46:17.400 --> 0:46:20.800
<v Speaker 1>have set a pick against my team or whatever. So lol,

0:46:20.880 --> 0:46:22.160
<v Speaker 1>we are men, we like sports.

0:46:22.200 --> 0:46:24.120
<v Speaker 4>Ha ha. Nobody's done anything wrong to you.

0:46:24.160 --> 0:46:27.880
<v Speaker 1>Later, Beck says, typical trial lawyer, He's got an answer

0:46:27.920 --> 0:46:30.319
<v Speaker 1>for everything. And Stabler wants to know if he's got

0:46:30.320 --> 0:46:33.440
<v Speaker 1>a backwards l scar underneath that wrisk brace. So beck

0:46:33.520 --> 0:46:36.480
<v Speaker 1>Beck brings up the composite on her Pom pilot. Another

0:46:36.480 --> 0:46:38.960
<v Speaker 1>good reason to have a Pom Pilot. And it's the

0:46:39.280 --> 0:46:41.880
<v Speaker 1>basically the sketch that the artist did with Nikki West.

0:46:42.120 --> 0:46:43.000
<v Speaker 4>And it looks a lot.

0:46:42.880 --> 0:46:45.520
<v Speaker 1>Like mister Sheffield, but unfortunately it looks a lot like

0:46:45.520 --> 0:46:48.080
<v Speaker 1>ten thousand other white guys in the city. Craigan points

0:46:48.120 --> 0:46:50.520
<v Speaker 1>out that they're like as they're gathered around the corkboard,

0:46:50.719 --> 0:46:53.080
<v Speaker 1>but ten thousand other white guys didn't leave their prints

0:46:53.120 --> 0:46:56.400
<v Speaker 1>on that. Jag Novak is there informing them that Trendway

0:46:56.560 --> 0:46:59.040
<v Speaker 1>is one of the biggest personal injury attorneys in town.

0:46:59.400 --> 0:47:01.239
<v Speaker 1>So this guy would form being like in eighty A

0:47:01.560 --> 0:47:03.359
<v Speaker 1>to being like give me the money and just going

0:47:03.360 --> 0:47:07.400
<v Speaker 1>into personal injury law. And if we accuse him, we

0:47:07.440 --> 0:47:09.560
<v Speaker 1>got to have our ducks in a row. Huang is

0:47:09.600 --> 0:47:12.640
<v Speaker 1>there too. He wants the personal lowdown on Trendway. He's

0:47:12.680 --> 0:47:14.600
<v Speaker 1>fifty four, so he's older than forties.

0:47:15.200 --> 0:47:15.839
<v Speaker 4>He's fifty four.

0:47:15.960 --> 0:47:19.160
<v Speaker 1>He grew up in Queens, which explains his subtle British accent.

0:47:19.640 --> 0:47:22.560
<v Speaker 1>Like this actor is British and you can hear his accent.

0:47:22.640 --> 0:47:25.560
<v Speaker 1>I feel the whole time. So it is hilarious to

0:47:25.600 --> 0:47:29.680
<v Speaker 1>me that they cast this man that's British and he's

0:47:29.680 --> 0:47:33.319
<v Speaker 1>supposed to have grown up in Queens. But he went

0:47:33.360 --> 0:47:35.400
<v Speaker 1>to Cornell, then he went to Duke for law school.

0:47:35.400 --> 0:47:38.960
<v Speaker 1>He's been married thirty years, two teen sons. Lives in Stanford, Connecticut,

0:47:39.080 --> 0:47:41.759
<v Speaker 1>where I have spent time of my life living, and

0:47:42.200 --> 0:47:44.520
<v Speaker 1>keeps a piet A tear in New York, a block

0:47:44.520 --> 0:47:47.560
<v Speaker 1>from Gracie Mansion. And he's got no record. But Beck

0:47:47.680 --> 0:47:50.040
<v Speaker 1>is arguing he's a lawyer. He knows how to hide evidence,

0:47:50.160 --> 0:47:52.640
<v Speaker 1>like just like the Purp and Craigan is like Craigan

0:47:52.719 --> 0:47:55.400
<v Speaker 1>says a wild thing. He goes, middle aged men just

0:47:55.440 --> 0:47:58.359
<v Speaker 1>don't suddenly become rapists out of the blue, and it's like, yes,

0:47:58.440 --> 0:48:01.200
<v Speaker 1>they do all the time, Like no, they.

0:48:01.120 --> 0:48:03.800
<v Speaker 2>Just said they probably were peeping time, they were grabby, grabby,

0:48:03.840 --> 0:48:05.719
<v Speaker 2>they were holdy holdies, something's going on.

0:48:05.920 --> 0:48:08.600
<v Speaker 1>I just think that it's possible for a guy to

0:48:08.600 --> 0:48:11.600
<v Speaker 1>become a rapist, like if he gets rejected enough or

0:48:11.680 --> 0:48:14.000
<v Speaker 1>he gets angry enough, Like, yes, he probably you're right,

0:48:14.040 --> 0:48:16.759
<v Speaker 1>has like other behaviors, but they're not necessarily stuff that

0:48:16.760 --> 0:48:19.880
<v Speaker 1>he might have gotten busted for legally. So it's just

0:48:19.920 --> 0:48:21.640
<v Speaker 1>wild for Craigan to be like, this doesn't happen out

0:48:21.680 --> 0:48:25.080
<v Speaker 1>of nowhere, and Huang's like, well, there are rare cases.

0:48:25.320 --> 0:48:28.400
<v Speaker 1>High functioning men like Trendway sometimes have a history of

0:48:28.400 --> 0:48:32.279
<v Speaker 1>psychosexual problems. And Novak's like, I want to put him

0:48:32.280 --> 0:48:34.720
<v Speaker 1>in a lineup, but Stabler goes, that's risky. The sketch

0:48:34.880 --> 0:48:37.279
<v Speaker 1>looks like him, sure, but Nicki didn't even get a

0:48:37.280 --> 0:48:39.200
<v Speaker 1>good look at him, like she might not get the right.

0:48:39.080 --> 0:48:41.080
<v Speaker 4>Guy, but she did see the scar.

0:48:41.600 --> 0:48:44.719
<v Speaker 1>And then the next scene is something I have no

0:48:44.920 --> 0:48:49.520
<v Speaker 1>memory of and is truly wild. Nicki walks in for

0:48:49.600 --> 0:48:52.440
<v Speaker 1>a lineup and It is just a bunch of numbered

0:48:52.480 --> 0:48:56.200
<v Speaker 1>glory holes with men's hands sticking out of them. It

0:48:56.320 --> 0:48:58.960
<v Speaker 1>is the crazy I have never seen this. They have

0:48:59.040 --> 0:49:02.080
<v Speaker 1>never done this another time. They have never had another

0:49:02.320 --> 0:49:08.160
<v Speaker 1>like body part only lineup and it looks crazy and

0:49:08.200 --> 0:49:10.839
<v Speaker 1>they like they're just He's telling like, these perps are

0:49:10.880 --> 0:49:14.440
<v Speaker 1>all behind these wooden walls with their fists through the hole,

0:49:14.719 --> 0:49:16.120
<v Speaker 1>and they're like, okay, everybody.

0:49:15.719 --> 0:49:16.320
<v Speaker 4>Make a fist.

0:49:16.800 --> 0:49:19.560
<v Speaker 1>Do this, do that, Like they're basically just doing a

0:49:19.680 --> 0:49:25.680
<v Speaker 1>hand hand ography and so yeah, it just looks like

0:49:25.719 --> 0:49:28.480
<v Speaker 1>a row of thing from Adam's family all in a lineup,

0:49:28.880 --> 0:49:31.359
<v Speaker 1>and Stabler asks all the men to make a fist,

0:49:31.400 --> 0:49:33.640
<v Speaker 1>and then Nikki checks out all these disembodied fists and

0:49:33.680 --> 0:49:36.839
<v Speaker 1>she picks one. So in cement room, bars Trenway can't

0:49:36.880 --> 0:49:39.719
<v Speaker 1>believe he's getting arrested because of his scar. Many other

0:49:39.719 --> 0:49:42.719
<v Speaker 1>people might have one just like it, and Beck asks like, well,

0:49:42.719 --> 0:49:44.560
<v Speaker 1>where did the where did you get the scar? And

0:49:44.600 --> 0:49:48.359
<v Speaker 1>he explains tendon transfer surgery from when he broke his wrist,

0:49:48.880 --> 0:49:50.919
<v Speaker 1>and Stable reminds him, you know, I want to remind

0:49:50.920 --> 0:49:52.520
<v Speaker 1>you you've got the right to an attorney, and he goes,

0:49:52.560 --> 0:49:54.399
<v Speaker 1>I am an attorney. I know my rights. I didn't

0:49:54.480 --> 0:49:57.200
<v Speaker 1>do anything. And they're like, well, where were you and

0:49:57.440 --> 0:49:59.319
<v Speaker 1>like last night at eleven o'clock and he goes, I

0:49:59.360 --> 0:50:02.439
<v Speaker 1>was working late the office. I left around midnight checked

0:50:02.440 --> 0:50:05.240
<v Speaker 1>the security logs and it's like, oh, we already did, honey,

0:50:05.280 --> 0:50:06.719
<v Speaker 1>And we checked with the guard and he said you

0:50:06.800 --> 0:50:08.480
<v Speaker 1>left it nine to forty five and told him not

0:50:08.520 --> 0:50:11.680
<v Speaker 1>to bother entering it into the book. That's pretty sketchy,

0:50:12.120 --> 0:50:14.279
<v Speaker 1>and Trenway goes, I stepped out to grab a byte again,

0:50:14.320 --> 0:50:16.480
<v Speaker 1>why would you tell the security guard I stepped out

0:50:16.480 --> 0:50:17.120
<v Speaker 1>to grab a bite.

0:50:17.200 --> 0:50:18.319
<v Speaker 4>Don't put me down on the log.

0:50:18.640 --> 0:50:21.400
<v Speaker 1>Security guard says, you were gone until about eleven funny

0:50:21.400 --> 0:50:23.280
<v Speaker 1>because that's when the rape and the chase took place.

0:50:23.680 --> 0:50:25.880
<v Speaker 1>And then they bring up the prints on the side

0:50:25.960 --> 0:50:29.120
<v Speaker 1>of the Jaguar and he says, I dropped my briefcase

0:50:29.160 --> 0:50:30.239
<v Speaker 1>when I got back from New Jersey.

0:50:30.320 --> 0:50:31.440
<v Speaker 4>I must have touched the car.

0:50:31.760 --> 0:50:34.239
<v Speaker 1>And Beck puts both her hands on his chests like

0:50:34.280 --> 0:50:36.799
<v Speaker 1>with her fingers splait out the way that the fingerprints

0:50:36.840 --> 0:50:39.440
<v Speaker 1>look and she goes, not like this, you didn't You're

0:50:39.480 --> 0:50:43.760
<v Speaker 1>going to arraignment, and you know, he looks not that scared.

0:50:44.000 --> 0:50:46.440
<v Speaker 1>They're walking out outside of the courthouse. Beck and Stabler

0:50:46.520 --> 0:50:48.600
<v Speaker 1>are in a walk and talk with Novak. Trendway only

0:50:48.640 --> 0:50:51.400
<v Speaker 1>got twenty five thousand dollars bail, he's got high up friends,

0:50:51.400 --> 0:50:51.920
<v Speaker 1>no prior's.

0:50:51.960 --> 0:50:52.680
<v Speaker 4>Beck is pissed.

0:50:52.960 --> 0:50:55.680
<v Speaker 1>She sees a bunch of reporters gathered around and is like, hey, fellas,

0:50:55.719 --> 0:50:57.840
<v Speaker 1>you want a story, I got a story, and she

0:50:57.960 --> 0:51:00.359
<v Speaker 1>sticks them all on Trenway. She's like, see that guy

0:51:00.360 --> 0:51:03.640
<v Speaker 1>over there, that's Trendway. He got he's on like been

0:51:03.719 --> 0:51:07.040
<v Speaker 1>arrested for rape or whatever. So he's just leaving the courthouse.

0:51:07.280 --> 0:51:09.320
<v Speaker 1>They all run over and they surround him like vultures.

0:51:09.320 --> 0:51:12.040
<v Speaker 1>It's kind of fun, and Trendway goes, oh, this is

0:51:12.080 --> 0:51:14.000
<v Speaker 1>a case of mistaken identity.

0:51:13.560 --> 0:51:14.560
<v Speaker 4>Blah blah blah.

0:51:14.600 --> 0:51:17.680
<v Speaker 1>So now with the precinct, Stabler has a newspaper with

0:51:17.680 --> 0:51:18.480
<v Speaker 1>Treadway on the cover.

0:51:18.640 --> 0:51:21.799
<v Speaker 4>So Beck's thing worked very quickly. He's already on the cover.

0:51:22.760 --> 0:51:24.759
<v Speaker 4>He's complimenting Beck on him.

0:51:25.200 --> 0:51:27.320
<v Speaker 2>It's like you can't be like, oh, you need to

0:51:27.360 --> 0:51:29.160
<v Speaker 2>follow the rules, you're not following the rules and then

0:51:29.239 --> 0:51:30.919
<v Speaker 2>be like, oh, hell yeah, I'm glad he didn't follow

0:51:30.920 --> 0:51:34.920
<v Speaker 2>the rules. Yeah, thanks for doing something silly, silly you know, it's.

0:51:34.800 --> 0:51:37.719
<v Speaker 1>Like he's complimenting her on the hand lineup as well.

0:51:37.800 --> 0:51:40.000
<v Speaker 1>He's like, that was a good idea, good idea thinking

0:51:40.040 --> 0:51:43.680
<v Speaker 1>about doing a fucking weird hand glory hole. And Beck's

0:51:43.719 --> 0:51:47.080
<v Speaker 1>like yeah, but he's right, like others could have that scar.

0:51:47.200 --> 0:51:49.400
<v Speaker 1>It's not like a deal. It's not like it's a

0:51:49.440 --> 0:51:52.600
<v Speaker 1>specific tattoo or something. Just then Finn walks in with

0:51:52.719 --> 0:51:55.440
<v Speaker 1>this woman and introduces her to Beck, and the woman

0:51:55.560 --> 0:51:58.120
<v Speaker 1>is named Heather Stark, and she's like, I just want

0:51:58.120 --> 0:52:00.160
<v Speaker 1>to thank you to Beck. Beck doesn't even like look

0:52:00.239 --> 0:52:02.359
<v Speaker 1>this woman in the eye. She just goes, no need

0:52:02.400 --> 0:52:04.720
<v Speaker 1>for thanks, I'm just doing my job and starts walking away.

0:52:04.760 --> 0:52:07.239
<v Speaker 1>It's like she didn't Finn is not bringing her back

0:52:07.320 --> 0:52:11.600
<v Speaker 1>into the squad room for a thank you. There's obviously

0:52:11.600 --> 0:52:14.960
<v Speaker 1>another reason you're being a dumb bitch. But Heather obviously

0:52:15.000 --> 0:52:17.879
<v Speaker 1>has more to say. So Stabler steps in to be like, Hi,

0:52:18.000 --> 0:52:19.840
<v Speaker 1>what can I help you with? So now we're in

0:52:19.840 --> 0:52:21.840
<v Speaker 1>wood room blinds getting Heather's story.

0:52:22.280 --> 0:52:25.239
<v Speaker 2>She is yeah, like Connie Nielsen like stopping surprise. We

0:52:25.320 --> 0:52:27.480
<v Speaker 2>hate her like she's supposed to be hateable.

0:52:28.400 --> 0:52:32.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry, Like I just they didn't teach

0:52:32.000 --> 0:52:34.360
<v Speaker 1>you anything in Warrens about being nice to a victim.

0:52:34.400 --> 0:52:34.799
<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

0:52:35.719 --> 0:52:39.040
<v Speaker 1>But we're in woodroom Blinds get in Heather's story and

0:52:39.080 --> 0:52:42.160
<v Speaker 1>she's played by one of my faves, Robin Weigert, who

0:52:42.360 --> 0:52:47.080
<v Speaker 1>was also in season seventeen Depravity Standard, which we've already covered.

0:52:47.400 --> 0:52:50.760
<v Speaker 1>She's like Calamity Jane in Deadwood. She's in Sons of Anarchy.

0:52:50.840 --> 0:52:53.520
<v Speaker 1>She plays lawyer for the for the biker gang. She

0:52:53.800 --> 0:52:59.480
<v Speaker 1>is little Kidman and scarsguard's therapists and big little lies.

0:52:59.719 --> 0:53:01.840
<v Speaker 4>She has eighty three credits. I mean, the woman is working.

0:53:01.960 --> 0:53:05.400
<v Speaker 1>She's great. I really love her. She's telling Stabler what

0:53:05.480 --> 0:53:07.799
<v Speaker 1>happened that five years ago. She was going down into

0:53:07.800 --> 0:53:09.800
<v Speaker 1>the subway station at one hundred and fourth them Broadway

0:53:10.760 --> 0:53:13.839
<v Speaker 1>when the one the one train, possibly the nine back

0:53:13.840 --> 0:53:16.479
<v Speaker 1>at this time, and then when a man knocked her

0:53:17.040 --> 0:53:19.960
<v Speaker 1>into a parked car. She fell said something hit her

0:53:19.960 --> 0:53:22.160
<v Speaker 1>in the head, like the guy kicked her. He forced

0:53:22.160 --> 0:53:24.560
<v Speaker 1>her into the car, knocked her out. When when she

0:53:24.600 --> 0:53:27.200
<v Speaker 1>woke up, they were in some abandoned lot. He had

0:53:27.239 --> 0:53:29.839
<v Speaker 1>a knife. He made her perform oral sex on him

0:53:29.840 --> 0:53:33.120
<v Speaker 1>and then raped her. He made her get out and

0:53:33.239 --> 0:53:37.759
<v Speaker 1>he drove off, and then she went to a gas

0:53:37.760 --> 0:53:39.680
<v Speaker 1>station and he had driven her to Long Island City.

0:53:40.040 --> 0:53:43.360
<v Speaker 1>So how does she know that it's Trendway And she said, well,

0:53:43.440 --> 0:53:45.600
<v Speaker 1>he tried to rape me from behind in the car,

0:53:45.600 --> 0:53:47.480
<v Speaker 1>but he was so tall. He was too tall, so

0:53:47.520 --> 0:53:49.160
<v Speaker 1>he got on top of me and he told me

0:53:49.200 --> 0:53:52.080
<v Speaker 1>to close my eyes, but I didn't, and I looked

0:53:52.080 --> 0:53:54.880
<v Speaker 1>at him, and when I saw his photo in the paper,

0:53:54.920 --> 0:53:55.760
<v Speaker 1>I started to shake.

0:53:55.840 --> 0:53:57.640
<v Speaker 4>I know it's him. I'll never forget his face.

0:53:58.239 --> 0:54:02.240
<v Speaker 1>So as Stabler is walking Heather out, He's like, gonna

0:54:02.239 --> 0:54:04.680
<v Speaker 1>call her friend Melissa for her. She notices a wall

0:54:04.760 --> 0:54:07.800
<v Speaker 1>of photos of battered victims' faces and sees her own picture,

0:54:07.840 --> 0:54:12.440
<v Speaker 1>which Beck is adding to the collage and like Munch, like.

0:54:12.120 --> 0:54:15.760
<v Speaker 2>Like she printed it out while this woman was here, Yes, yes, yes,

0:54:15.960 --> 0:54:17.000
<v Speaker 2>Like she's in the next room.

0:54:17.120 --> 0:54:19.399
<v Speaker 1>Stabler has Munch take her away to call her friend,

0:54:19.440 --> 0:54:22.800
<v Speaker 1>and Stabler's like, hey, dumbass, like that woman just relived

0:54:22.800 --> 0:54:25.239
<v Speaker 1>her greatest trauma to me, Like we don't need to

0:54:25.239 --> 0:54:28.520
<v Speaker 1>post enlarged photos of what it looked like in plain sight,

0:54:28.800 --> 0:54:31.840
<v Speaker 1>like in the common area of the precinct.

0:54:32.280 --> 0:54:33.279
<v Speaker 4>She's a dumb bitch.

0:54:33.520 --> 0:54:36.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm like annoyed that Connie is like, I guess you

0:54:36.600 --> 0:54:37.480
<v Speaker 2>guys didn't like me.

0:54:37.880 --> 0:54:38.920
<v Speaker 4>Yeah you suck.

0:54:39.200 --> 0:54:42.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah yeah yeah the character I mean. And then

0:54:42.640 --> 0:54:46.280
<v Speaker 1>within six episodes she's so attached to a victim Elle Fanning,

0:54:46.320 --> 0:54:48.480
<v Speaker 1>that she has to leave like she's so it's a

0:54:48.560 --> 0:54:50.920
<v Speaker 1>very quick trajectory of her being really bad with victims

0:54:50.920 --> 0:54:53.800
<v Speaker 1>and then becoming literally one of those moms practically.

0:54:54.320 --> 0:54:54.560
<v Speaker 3>So.

0:54:56.000 --> 0:54:58.520
<v Speaker 1>Beck points Stabler like I already got her case file.

0:54:58.560 --> 0:55:00.640
<v Speaker 1>It was a queen's s VW case swamped and they

0:55:00.680 --> 0:55:02.200
<v Speaker 1>just let me have it. So like you are getting

0:55:02.200 --> 0:55:05.160
<v Speaker 1>the sense that Beck is super efficient, like she chases

0:55:05.200 --> 0:55:07.359
<v Speaker 1>down the leads, she chases down the things, but she's

0:55:07.400 --> 0:55:11.839
<v Speaker 1>not there's like no emotional intelligence, and she sometimes goes

0:55:11.880 --> 0:55:14.480
<v Speaker 1>after the wrong fucking people just for the closure rate.

0:55:15.160 --> 0:55:19.960
<v Speaker 1>So Novak and Kragan arrive and they're talking about how

0:55:20.000 --> 0:55:23.200
<v Speaker 1>obviously Nikki and Heather's attackers have the same mo and

0:55:23.280 --> 0:55:27.120
<v Speaker 1>the composite sketches could both easily be Tremway. But the

0:55:27.160 --> 0:55:30.640
<v Speaker 1>defense will argue that her idea of Trendway was improper

0:55:30.640 --> 0:55:32.279
<v Speaker 1>because she saw him in the newspaper and not on

0:55:32.320 --> 0:55:34.680
<v Speaker 1>a photo lineup, And they're like, well, we might not

0:55:34.719 --> 0:55:37.239
<v Speaker 1>even need to id her her clothes and rape kit

0:55:37.280 --> 0:55:40.400
<v Speaker 1>were inventoried with fluids present, and the DNA wouldn't have

0:55:40.440 --> 0:55:43.359
<v Speaker 1>been processed back then without a suspect, because if it's

0:55:43.400 --> 0:55:45.240
<v Speaker 1>two thousand and six now, then this part crime happened

0:55:45.239 --> 0:55:48.600
<v Speaker 1>in two thousand and one ish. So all the evidence

0:55:48.719 --> 0:55:50.920
<v Speaker 1>is at the property clerk in Queens and the statute

0:55:50.920 --> 0:55:52.680
<v Speaker 1>of limitations is up in.

0:55:52.719 --> 0:55:54.080
<v Speaker 4>Four days on this case.

0:55:55.360 --> 0:55:58.520
<v Speaker 1>Always, they're always running against the clock of that goddamn statute.

0:55:58.880 --> 0:56:01.440
<v Speaker 1>So Craigan orders them to get a warrant for Trenway's

0:56:01.520 --> 0:56:05.160
<v Speaker 1>DNA and go get the Queen's evidence as well. So

0:56:05.200 --> 0:56:07.560
<v Speaker 1>now Beck and Sabler at the warehouse and it's the

0:56:07.680 --> 0:56:10.759
<v Speaker 1>usual shit. An old curmudgeon tells them it's not where

0:56:10.800 --> 0:56:12.960
<v Speaker 1>it's supposed to be. The warehouse leaks, we had to

0:56:13.000 --> 0:56:14.719
<v Speaker 1>move stuff around. There's always like a fire or a

0:56:14.760 --> 0:56:17.080
<v Speaker 1>flood or something that fucked up all this evidence. And

0:56:17.120 --> 0:56:18.759
<v Speaker 1>he's like, it's not lost, but it's just going to

0:56:18.800 --> 0:56:21.400
<v Speaker 1>take some time to find. And we got a lot

0:56:21.400 --> 0:56:22.880
<v Speaker 1>of cases in front of you guys, and they're like, well,

0:56:22.920 --> 0:56:25.280
<v Speaker 1>we don't have time, and they're like, this guy walks.

0:56:25.280 --> 0:56:27.080
<v Speaker 1>If we don't find the evidence, and he goes, you're

0:56:27.120 --> 0:56:29.439
<v Speaker 1>on the list, and Beck goes, no wonder they took

0:56:29.440 --> 0:56:31.320
<v Speaker 1>your gun and stuck you in this hell hole and

0:56:31.520 --> 0:56:35.760
<v Speaker 1>uh oh, Kurmudge does not like that. He goes, screw you, lady,

0:56:35.800 --> 0:56:38.120
<v Speaker 1>Now you can find it yourself. And this guy actually

0:56:38.320 --> 0:56:40.799
<v Speaker 1>does have a name. His name is Officer Fyneman and

0:56:40.840 --> 0:56:44.440
<v Speaker 1>he is in season nine Cold, which we just covered recently,

0:56:44.520 --> 0:56:47.160
<v Speaker 1>and then he's in season eleven Turmoil, always playing this

0:56:47.920 --> 0:56:52.600
<v Speaker 1>warehouse evidence man. So as they're walking out, Beck's pissed

0:56:52.600 --> 0:56:54.560
<v Speaker 1>and Sabler's like, you got any friends to undo the

0:56:54.600 --> 0:56:56.440
<v Speaker 1>mess you just made in there, and he's like, I

0:56:56.480 --> 0:56:58.600
<v Speaker 1>know the guy's a loser, but like bullying him doesn't

0:56:58.600 --> 0:57:01.879
<v Speaker 1>accomplish anything. And you're running around half cock like you're

0:57:02.280 --> 0:57:04.960
<v Speaker 1>pulling bail jumpers off the street. This is about getting

0:57:04.960 --> 0:57:08.120
<v Speaker 1>inside people's heads. Your problem is every purp smells the

0:57:08.160 --> 0:57:11.600
<v Speaker 1>same to you, and they don't like that they're different. Right, So,

0:57:11.719 --> 0:57:14.200
<v Speaker 1>for example, Trenway's a lawyer. If you get him in

0:57:14.239 --> 0:57:16.280
<v Speaker 1>the box, you work him. You don't get in his face,

0:57:16.640 --> 0:57:18.880
<v Speaker 1>and you don't turn your back on victims like you

0:57:18.920 --> 0:57:21.640
<v Speaker 1>did to Heather Stark. And you know, Beck has a

0:57:21.720 --> 0:57:24.280
<v Speaker 1>quiet moment where she kind of maybe is taking his

0:57:24.360 --> 0:57:26.840
<v Speaker 1>words in, like, you literally walked away from this woman

0:57:26.880 --> 0:57:29.120
<v Speaker 1>before she even told you why she was there. So

0:57:29.240 --> 0:57:31.920
<v Speaker 1>now we're suddenly in court. I don't know what's happening.

0:57:31.960 --> 0:57:34.280
<v Speaker 1>Are we trying Heather Stark's case. This is a bit

0:57:34.320 --> 0:57:38.280
<v Speaker 1>of a weird situation. And Heather Stark is now on

0:57:38.320 --> 0:57:41.160
<v Speaker 1>the stand and they're asking her to describe additional injuries

0:57:42.160 --> 0:57:45.520
<v Speaker 1>beyond the sexual assault, and she's like, well, he fractured

0:57:45.520 --> 0:57:48.240
<v Speaker 1>my skull, broke my nose, my right eye socket, my

0:57:48.280 --> 0:57:49.120
<v Speaker 1>whole face was a mess.

0:57:49.120 --> 0:57:50.280
<v Speaker 4>I needed plastic surgery.

0:57:50.600 --> 0:57:53.200
<v Speaker 1>And then she identifies Trendway with a pointer finger as

0:57:53.280 --> 0:57:57.000
<v Speaker 1>usual as her attacker. And now it's the defense's turn,

0:57:57.240 --> 0:58:00.479
<v Speaker 1>and the defense attorney is Charlie Moss, who we also

0:58:00.560 --> 0:58:04.600
<v Speaker 1>see in season thirteen of this season, the episode Loophole,

0:58:05.120 --> 0:58:07.880
<v Speaker 1>and he's played by the actor James Naughton, who's been

0:58:07.880 --> 0:58:09.360
<v Speaker 1>in a ton of stuff, but I know him as

0:58:09.400 --> 0:58:12.920
<v Speaker 1>Miranda Priestley's husband in The devilwaars Prada Stephen. You know,

0:58:13.520 --> 0:58:17.720
<v Speaker 1>Steven's not coming and he plays Biggs brother in Nan

0:58:17.920 --> 0:58:20.400
<v Speaker 1>just like that. In a couple of episodes of in

0:58:20.560 --> 0:58:22.720
<v Speaker 1>just like that. But he's got a lot of credits.

0:58:22.760 --> 0:58:24.200
<v Speaker 1>It's just like a bunch of stuff I haven't seen.

0:58:24.240 --> 0:58:27.120
<v Speaker 1>But he looks like a douche obviously. He's classic, like

0:58:27.160 --> 0:58:28.880
<v Speaker 1>the way that this show does defense, Like we know

0:58:28.920 --> 0:58:30.320
<v Speaker 1>he's going to be annoying the minute he gets out

0:58:30.320 --> 0:58:34.040
<v Speaker 1>of his little chair. And he goes, oh, miss uh,

0:58:34.160 --> 0:58:36.080
<v Speaker 1>miss Stark, how often do you read the paper? And

0:58:36.120 --> 0:58:39.240
<v Speaker 1>she goes, every day, I read the ledger? And you

0:58:39.320 --> 0:58:42.400
<v Speaker 1>know that my client is very well known. And she's like, yes,

0:58:42.560 --> 0:58:44.280
<v Speaker 1>I do. And you know how many times his picture

0:58:44.320 --> 0:58:46.160
<v Speaker 1>has been in the ledger in the last five years

0:58:46.200 --> 0:58:46.880
<v Speaker 1>since your attack?

0:58:47.320 --> 0:58:48.120
<v Speaker 4>And she doesn't know.

0:58:48.200 --> 0:58:50.640
<v Speaker 1>And the answer is twenty two times, so you must

0:58:50.640 --> 0:58:56.560
<v Speaker 1>have seen his face before. And and Novak says, objection, speculation,

0:58:56.640 --> 0:58:59.400
<v Speaker 1>and he withdraws it, but still and she goes, and

0:58:59.440 --> 0:59:01.640
<v Speaker 1>he goes, is it it puzzible you recognized him from

0:59:01.640 --> 0:59:03.840
<v Speaker 1>seeing him in the paper and not from your attack?

0:59:04.320 --> 0:59:07.120
<v Speaker 1>And she stands strong. She's like, I was looking at

0:59:07.200 --> 0:59:10.560
<v Speaker 1>him throughout the entire attack. I know it's him. Why

0:59:10.600 --> 0:59:13.120
<v Speaker 1>don't you call Why didn't you call the police? The

0:59:13.160 --> 0:59:15.160
<v Speaker 1>guy asks, on the other, twenty two times you saw

0:59:15.160 --> 0:59:17.520
<v Speaker 1>his face in the paper? And she's like, I don't know,

0:59:18.000 --> 0:59:21.640
<v Speaker 1>and Novak looks bothered. So next on the stand is

0:59:21.800 --> 0:59:26.040
<v Speaker 1>doctor Polk, who is I don't know what her expertise is,

0:59:26.040 --> 0:59:30.520
<v Speaker 1>but she's there to basically completely delegitimize eyewitness testimony. She's

0:59:30.560 --> 0:59:33.240
<v Speaker 1>basically like, it's the least reliable.

0:59:32.720 --> 0:59:33.680
<v Speaker 4>Form of testimony.

0:59:33.840 --> 0:59:36.400
<v Speaker 1>But then why is it, Like there's so many cases

0:59:36.640 --> 0:59:38.960
<v Speaker 1>where we can't go forward without a witness. We need

0:59:39.000 --> 0:59:41.240
<v Speaker 1>a witness or we can't go forward, but then most

0:59:41.240 --> 0:59:45.280
<v Speaker 1>witnesses are wrong, like she testifies that of all the

0:59:45.360 --> 0:59:49.080
<v Speaker 1>accused murderers and rapists who were first exonerated when DNA

0:59:49.120 --> 0:59:51.920
<v Speaker 1>became like a standard, eighty percent of them had been

0:59:51.920 --> 0:59:54.480
<v Speaker 1>convicted based on mistaken eyewitness testimony.

0:59:55.040 --> 0:59:57.560
<v Speaker 2>And also be curious about like the race and all

0:59:57.600 --> 0:59:58.920
<v Speaker 2>of that with all people.

0:59:59.360 --> 1:00:01.280
<v Speaker 4>Yes, of course, she said.

1:00:01.640 --> 1:00:04.840
<v Speaker 1>Jurors believe that human memory works like a videotape, that

1:00:04.880 --> 1:00:07.480
<v Speaker 1>we play things back just like in the way that

1:00:07.520 --> 1:00:10.520
<v Speaker 1>they were recorded. But that's not really how it works.

1:00:10.520 --> 1:00:13.040
<v Speaker 1>And Heather is not lying. She's telling the truth as

1:00:13.080 --> 1:00:15.800
<v Speaker 1>she believes she remembers it, but her memory can be

1:00:15.920 --> 1:00:19.960
<v Speaker 1>changed by suggestion, like seeing my client in the newspaper,

1:00:20.000 --> 1:00:22.640
<v Speaker 1>the guy says that which named him as a defendant

1:00:22.680 --> 1:00:26.320
<v Speaker 1>in another rape case, and she says, yes, that's what

1:00:26.680 --> 1:00:29.440
<v Speaker 1>so Polk says yes. So then it's Novak's turn, and

1:00:29.480 --> 1:00:33.560
<v Speaker 1>she shows the composite photo to the jury that Heather

1:00:34.000 --> 1:00:36.120
<v Speaker 1>drew up or that when she first was out of

1:00:36.360 --> 1:00:40.080
<v Speaker 1>after her attack, out of the hospital, and asks Polk like,

1:00:40.160 --> 1:00:41.360
<v Speaker 1>do you think this could be Trendway?

1:00:41.400 --> 1:00:42.480
<v Speaker 4>And she goes, it.

1:00:42.480 --> 1:00:44.200
<v Speaker 1>Could be, but the fact that he's sitting a few

1:00:44.200 --> 1:00:47.360
<v Speaker 1>feet away is very suggestive. So Novak points out, for

1:00:47.480 --> 1:00:50.520
<v Speaker 1>seven hours after Heather Stark was raped and beaten, she

1:00:50.640 --> 1:00:55.320
<v Speaker 1>was hospitalized, poked, prodded, photographed, sutured, cleaned up, and interviewed

1:00:55.320 --> 1:00:58.080
<v Speaker 1>by police. And yet after all of that, after all

1:00:58.080 --> 1:01:00.680
<v Speaker 1>of the possible suggestion that she might have been influenced by,

1:01:01.000 --> 1:01:03.400
<v Speaker 1>she still gave a description of her attacker that even

1:01:03.440 --> 1:01:08.320
<v Speaker 1>you agree resembles the defendant. Uh huh, And Pok doesn't answer,

1:01:09.120 --> 1:01:12.439
<v Speaker 1>and Novak asked Poke, given the trauma she went through,

1:01:12.720 --> 1:01:15.880
<v Speaker 1>her accuracy then and her confidence now, isn't it possible

1:01:16.120 --> 1:01:18.840
<v Speaker 1>that she correctly identified mister Trenway as her attacker? And

1:01:18.920 --> 1:01:21.920
<v Speaker 1>Polk says, yes, you know, it's possible. I don't know

1:01:21.960 --> 1:01:24.480
<v Speaker 1>if it's beyond a reasonable doubt, but it's possible. The

1:01:24.520 --> 1:01:28.400
<v Speaker 1>court goes on lunch break and Stabler notices Trenway holding

1:01:28.440 --> 1:01:30.640
<v Speaker 1>hands and speaking to a woman behind him in the gallery,

1:01:30.920 --> 1:01:34.400
<v Speaker 1>and then he also clocks an older woman staring Daggers

1:01:34.480 --> 1:01:37.080
<v Speaker 1>straight ahead. This is when I knew where the episode

1:01:37.120 --> 1:01:38.560
<v Speaker 1>was going. I don't know if this is where you

1:01:38.600 --> 1:01:42.480
<v Speaker 1>did add She gets up and makes brief eye contact

1:01:42.520 --> 1:01:46.120
<v Speaker 1>with Stabler before walking out of the courtroom, and Novak

1:01:46.360 --> 1:01:49.720
<v Speaker 1>says to Beck and Stabler, please tell me you got

1:01:50.360 --> 1:01:53.080
<v Speaker 1>like the DNA, like you found the evidence from the

1:01:53.080 --> 1:01:56.640
<v Speaker 1>Heather Stark crime right, and Stabler goes, Yep, it's already

1:01:56.640 --> 1:01:59.720
<v Speaker 1>being processed. I'm very confused how this case was even

1:01:59.760 --> 1:02:03.439
<v Speaker 1>going to trial in the time with four days left

1:02:03.440 --> 1:02:04.600
<v Speaker 1>on the statute limitations.

1:02:04.640 --> 1:02:06.280
<v Speaker 4>Well that was physical evidence.

1:02:06.800 --> 1:02:08.640
<v Speaker 2>Well, because that was my question, like does it just

1:02:08.680 --> 1:02:10.960
<v Speaker 2>have to be filed or the arrest mad or like

1:02:11.040 --> 1:02:12.160
<v Speaker 2>does court have to happen?

1:02:12.200 --> 1:02:13.720
<v Speaker 4>Like what are these rules for?

1:02:14.080 --> 1:02:18.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like, yeah, it's just I mean, obviously we know

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<v Speaker 1>that the court timeline you are following the Luigi case obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>like it keeps getting pushed back. This all went down

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen months ago, and he's like, we barely had this

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<v Speaker 1>guy in court, Like, so it is obviously insane on

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<v Speaker 1>the show how they do this.

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<v Speaker 4>But I'm just like, there's kind of no way.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like that this would even go to court

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<v Speaker 1>with just a woman saying five years ago it was

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<v Speaker 1>this guy and no evidence after seeing him in the newspaper, right, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>it just doesn't I don't.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't get it. So maybe it's a Molino hearing,

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<v Speaker 4>but I don't think it is.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's like it seems like it's a regular hearing.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, Novak is like, great, I'm going to get

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<v Speaker 1>the results in on rebuttal and Stabler goes, hold on,

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<v Speaker 1>we might have a problem. Cut to Melinda's house. She's

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<v Speaker 1>explained she was We're getting like on a roller coaster

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<v Speaker 1>of emotions here. First Melinda goes, unfortunately, at one point

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<v Speaker 1>in time, this evidence got wet, which caused mold to

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<v Speaker 1>grow on the biological material, and they're.

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<v Speaker 4>Like, shit, are we fucked? Like is it ruined?

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<v Speaker 1>And then she goes, but we lucked out a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of DNA markers are suitable for comparison, yes, and I

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<v Speaker 1>have definitive proof, and Novak is like, score, we got him,

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<v Speaker 1>and Melinda toying with all of them, goes and actually

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<v Speaker 1>the results aren't even fucking close. There is no way

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<v Speaker 1>in hell that Trendway raped Heather Stark, Like these are

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<v Speaker 1>not even closely related in any world.

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<v Speaker 2>It's devastating, It's really devastating.

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<v Speaker 4>So outside the courthouse, Heather is upset.

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<v Speaker 1>She's insisting, like I was staring at his face during

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<v Speaker 1>the entire attack, so I could remember everything about him.

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<v Speaker 1>This has to be wrong, she says, And like I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sitting there going what.

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<v Speaker 4>Did this guy do to fuck? Did this guy pay

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<v Speaker 4>someone to fuck with the DNA? Like he did? Do it? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Likes, She's so sure, so the DNA can't be wrong. Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 1>they tell her at this moment. This is At this moment,

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<v Speaker 1>Trendway decides this would be a great time for a

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<v Speaker 1>little chat and he approaches Heather and she screams, get

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<v Speaker 1>the hell away from me, and then he excuses himself

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<v Speaker 1>like a true fool, like he looks like an idiot.

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<v Speaker 4>And Heather's like, how can I be so sure and

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<v Speaker 4>be wrong?

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<v Speaker 1>And you know that's obviously the show and the writers

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<v Speaker 1>trying to make a commentary on recall and memory and

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<v Speaker 1>like how these things work like, and Stabler's like, Stabler

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<v Speaker 1>Damasco's we'll run the DNA. If he's been arrested for

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<v Speaker 1>another crime, we'll get him. And Heather's like, do I

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<v Speaker 1>have to remind you about the law you are a cop?

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's too late. It's too late now, she says,

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<v Speaker 1>and then she walks away just past the statute. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, they got this court in what the

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<v Speaker 1>day of the statute, They somehow got this trial to trial.

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<v Speaker 1>And then she walks away, and Novac goes, She's right,

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<v Speaker 1>she'll never get justice, but maybe we can still get

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<v Speaker 1>justice for Nicky, you know, Lily rob so Beck is

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<v Speaker 1>pushing hard on the Trendway thing.

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<v Speaker 4>Was him for sure?

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<v Speaker 1>And Novak is like, if we put this guy on

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<v Speaker 1>trial right now for Niki, we'll make him a martyr.

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<v Speaker 1>He's already the poster boy for mistaken identity. We need

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<v Speaker 1>another victim who will testify the trend weight rape term.

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<v Speaker 1>So back at the precinct, Craigan is like, we already

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<v Speaker 1>went back five years. We didn't find anything, Sabler says.

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<v Speaker 1>Novak wants them to go back farther to get a

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<v Speaker 1>Malino witness, which is, if you remember, I've talked about

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<v Speaker 1>this on the pod before, is specific to New York

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<v Speaker 1>justice system, where it's specific to criminal cases in New

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<v Speaker 1>York where people can testify about prior bad acts to

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<v Speaker 1>prove motive, intent or pattern. But I don't I do

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<v Speaker 1>need a lawyer to explain to me the difference between

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<v Speaker 1>a molino witness and.

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<v Speaker 4>Prejudicial to the jury.

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<v Speaker 1>Like when they they'll go, well, you can't testify, that

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<v Speaker 1>will be prejudicial. But isn't this prejudicial to set up

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<v Speaker 1>this pattern or whatever? But I don't know, and then

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<v Speaker 1>we'll see me more.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like like someone nephew got in trouble and so

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<v Speaker 2>Congressman changed the rules.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh, actually, I don't know. It just

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<v Speaker 2>seems like a crazy rule to be like, yeah, you're right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>It's confusing because we've seen so many cases where they're like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>but this happened, but yeah, but there's no evidence of that.

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<v Speaker 1>We can't have you say that because that's prejudicial whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>So Craigan says, I don't even know why we still

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<v Speaker 1>have the statute of limitations now that we have DNA,

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<v Speaker 1>and I believe The Statute of Limitations was eliminated in

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and six, the same year that this episode

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<v Speaker 1>came out. And then there is a new law that

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<v Speaker 1>came out in twenty nineteen that extended the Statute of

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<v Speaker 1>limitations in some cases.

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<v Speaker 4>But I thought that it was I remember that eliminated.

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<v Speaker 4>It was like a molestation thing.

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<v Speaker 1>It was incest as well, like now incest goes longer.

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<v Speaker 1>It used to be like ten years and now it's

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<v Speaker 1>twenty and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I think this has to do with like the

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<v Speaker 2>Catholic Church and the suing and stuff, and it let

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<v Speaker 2>people sue.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know, Yeah, because there were some things

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<v Speaker 1>where there were going to let people still make claims

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<v Speaker 1>until way beyond, Like I think if something happens when

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<v Speaker 1>you're a child, I think it's like up until you're

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<v Speaker 1>in your twenties, like twenty six or something. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>it is funny that Craigan's making this heavy handed, like

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<v Speaker 1>why do we even have the statute? And at the

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<v Speaker 1>same time, it's pretty much going away in real time,

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<v Speaker 1>so much of course, the contrarian goes, well, it's to

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<v Speaker 1>stop people like Heather Stark from accusing the wrong person.

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<v Speaker 1>And when we get into the bullpen, they all see Beck,

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<v Speaker 1>who has apparently been there all night, just pounding coffee

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<v Speaker 1>like a dog with a bone, and she's like, trendway,

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<v Speaker 1>I got him, and she found this woman did a

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<v Speaker 1>full fucking work up. Okay, she found fourteen, which again,

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<v Speaker 1>this is what would have already happened before we got

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<v Speaker 1>to Heather Stark's case.

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<v Speaker 4>I feel like we would have already done a deep

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<v Speaker 4>dive on this.

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<v Speaker 2>Dude, right Well, I don't think they could have because

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<v Speaker 2>of the time the statue.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah maybe, yeah, that's true. I think that's the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe it was an indict maybe it was like the

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<v Speaker 1>indictment or something, or I don't know. Anyway, she found

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<v Speaker 1>fourteen unsolved beatings and rapes in Ithaca from nineteen seventy

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<v Speaker 1>to nineteen seventy four, the years that he was at

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<v Speaker 1>Cornell if you remember him going to Cornell and they

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<v Speaker 1>stopped as soon as he graduated. And then in North

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<v Speaker 1>Carolina where Duke is, eleven victims from seventy four to

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<v Speaker 1>seventy seven, which correspond with the exact years that he

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<v Speaker 1>was in law school at Duke, all unsolved. And then

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<v Speaker 1>she points out the fact that this dude works in

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<v Speaker 1>New York, Connecticut, but lives in Connecticut, and also mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>going to court in New Jersey. So they put it

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<v Speaker 1>together and they're like, oh, my gosh, she could have

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<v Speaker 1>been committing rapes in the Tri state area for years

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<v Speaker 1>because they're all different jurisdictions. It would be easy to

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<v Speaker 1>get away with it. No one really shares info. So

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<v Speaker 1>then they talk about how he grew up in Douglaston, Queens,

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<v Speaker 1>and she pulled the cases from nineteen ten sixty seven

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<v Speaker 1>to nineteen seventy when he was a teen, and there

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<v Speaker 1>are no rapes with his mo O, but there are

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<v Speaker 1>two assaults. One was a man, so we threw that

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<v Speaker 1>one out and the other was a woman who was

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<v Speaker 1>assaulted in her house. Her name at the time, her

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<v Speaker 1>name was Lorraine del Moss. She was thirty two years old.

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<v Speaker 1>She had a broken nose, cheekbone, jawbone. Craig Kragan's reading

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<v Speaker 1>the injuries out loud and Finn goes, where have I

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<v Speaker 1>heard that before? Like these are basically identical to Nikki

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<v Speaker 1>West injuries. And they're like, well, if that woman's still alive,

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<v Speaker 1>she would be in her seventies, and Stabler goes, I

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<v Speaker 1>think she is alive.

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<v Speaker 4>I've seen this woman's face so now.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's a stretch because this is like a black

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<v Speaker 2>and white, fuzzy beat the fuck up photo and the

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<v Speaker 2>woman we saw I just don't buy.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he could have put it to that.

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<v Speaker 1>He aged progressed it forty years and like figured it out.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But now they are at the home of Lorraine del Moss,

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<v Speaker 1>who answers the door. And as we know, five actresses

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<v Speaker 1>have won the Emmy for Outstanding Guest Actress from Larner SVU.

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<v Speaker 4>The first was a Manda Plumber.

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<v Speaker 1>The second is this woman, Leslie Coron, for this episode,

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<v Speaker 1>and she is one of Neil Behar's absolute favorites. He

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<v Speaker 1>talks about liking the episodes with Leslie Coron when we

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<v Speaker 1>talked to him, and then of course number three, four

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<v Speaker 1>and five were Cynthia Nixon, Ellen Burston and Ann Margaret So.

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<v Speaker 1>Leslie Coron is a French actress. She's currently ninety four

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<v Speaker 1>years old. Star of stage and screen. She's won an

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<v Speaker 1>Emmy and a Goal and a Golden Globe. She's been

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<v Speaker 1>nominated for an Oscar twice. More recently. Yeah, two movies

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<v Speaker 1>that she's in more recently are Chaco Lot and La Divorce.

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<v Speaker 4>Those are her? Those are so old, I know, but like.

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<v Speaker 2>She's ninety four, I don't know if she's I remember

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<v Speaker 2>Chack a Lot from the Oscar Like Seasons. For some reason,

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<v Speaker 2>that movie like stuck into my head as a kid.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know why, but.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like, who's the other French actress that Juliette Binoche.

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<v Speaker 4>Juliette Binoche, but also the one that was in.

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<v Speaker 1>SVU where she shoots Alena Olin. No, no, Lena Ollen's

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<v Speaker 1>not French, it's the other woman.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow for Molina's. This was in two thousands, so I

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<v Speaker 2>guess I wasn't a kid, but.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, is a bellou pear. Is a bellou pear? So yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>sometimes I feel like she's.

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<v Speaker 1>Not in Chaco Lot though, no, no, no no, But

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<v Speaker 1>I think of like Juliette Binoche is a bellou pear,

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<v Speaker 1>and I guess maybe Leslie caron as like the main

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<v Speaker 1>French actresses that have come over into American mainstream cinema.

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<v Speaker 2>So I thought were just talking about Chaco Lot. So

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<v Speaker 2>Lena Olin, Juliette Binoche, and Leslie Caronner all in Chaco Lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh Lena Ola, Yes, Okay I haven't. I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>i've seen Chaco lot to be honest.

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<v Speaker 2>It's one of my Johnny Depp choices for the movie

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<v Speaker 2>Games that does well.

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<v Speaker 4>Smart one.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't wait Peter's Stormare is in it.

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<v Speaker 4>I like him.

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<v Speaker 2>He's I never knew his name. He's the freak with

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<v Speaker 2>Steve Buscemi and Fargo. Oh okay, I wish he's been

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<v Speaker 2>I wish she was in an SVU so he could

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<v Speaker 2>do our podcast anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>Stabler and Beck are at the door of this woman

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<v Speaker 1>and he goes missus del Moss, and she corrects him

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<v Speaker 1>and goes miss Stelmas, and he goes, I saw you

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<v Speaker 1>in court in the gallery, and then she invites them in,

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<v Speaker 1>and inside she's setting down like a full tea set,

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<v Speaker 1>and she assumed that she's like, I assumed you were

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<v Speaker 1>coming to talk to me about Marty, and like Trenway's

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<v Speaker 1>name is Martin, so she's calling him Marty. She's known

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<v Speaker 1>him since he was a boy. She was best friends

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<v Speaker 1>with his mother. Oh, you must have been shocked when

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<v Speaker 1>he was accused of assaulting these women. And she does

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<v Speaker 1>not say yes about being shocked. She doesn't really answer,

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<v Speaker 1>and she says, well, I wanted to see what would happen,

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<v Speaker 1>and so you were pleased when the charges were dropped,

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<v Speaker 1>They ask her, and she goes, yes, but just like

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<v Speaker 1>one syllable yes. So she and Martin's mother, Marie, grew

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<v Speaker 1>up in the same town in France.

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<v Speaker 4>Together.

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<v Speaker 1>Marie met James, and then James's brother met Lorraine, and

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<v Speaker 1>they both came to the US to be with these brothers. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but Lorraine and her guy broke up after Marie died,

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<v Speaker 1>and on her deathbed, Marie made Lorraine promised to take

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<v Speaker 1>care of Marty, but he became very difficult after his

1:12:54.400 --> 1:12:56.800
<v Speaker 1>mother died. He wouldn't communicate with his father, and so

1:12:56.840 --> 1:12:58.559
<v Speaker 1>we spent a lot of time at Loraine's and she

1:12:58.600 --> 1:13:01.400
<v Speaker 1>says we were very close. Stabler goes, why were you

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<v Speaker 1>sitting so far away from.

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<v Speaker 4>Him in court?

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<v Speaker 1>And then really weirdly, at this point, the scene silently

1:13:07.479 --> 1:13:09.799
<v Speaker 1>moves to the precinct, like it just moves to the precinct.

1:13:09.800 --> 1:13:12.360
<v Speaker 1>Now she's answering questions in the precinct, and I was

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<v Speaker 1>very confused because they were just questioning her, talking back

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<v Speaker 1>and forth, and then now they're in the precinct and

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<v Speaker 1>asking in woodroom blinds asking her questions, and she goes.

1:13:22.439 --> 1:13:25.519
<v Speaker 1>She continues to talk about her relationship with Marty aka

1:13:25.600 --> 1:13:28.160
<v Speaker 1>Martin Trnway. She goes, well, we haven't spoken in forty years.

1:13:28.640 --> 1:13:31.439
<v Speaker 1>He went to college, we lost touch. So they ask her, oh, well,

1:13:31.479 --> 1:13:33.599
<v Speaker 1>is that before or after the attack in your home?

1:13:33.720 --> 1:13:36.439
<v Speaker 1>And she's silent for a minute and she would rather

1:13:36.520 --> 1:13:39.599
<v Speaker 1>not talk about that attack, and Stabler pushes. He goes,

1:13:39.640 --> 1:13:41.479
<v Speaker 1>you know, I read the police reports. The attacker didn't

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<v Speaker 1>break in. Did you know your attacker? And she says, well,

1:13:44.760 --> 1:13:46.639
<v Speaker 1>it happened so long ago. You know, people in those

1:13:46.720 --> 1:13:49.080
<v Speaker 1>days weren't afraid to open their doors. And she's getting

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<v Speaker 1>flustered and she stands up and says, I want to

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<v Speaker 1>go home. And that was when I realized she wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>in her home. I was like, I thought we were

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<v Speaker 1>in your home. And then she was like, I want

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<v Speaker 1>to be taken home. So Stabler's like, what about some food?

1:13:58.880 --> 1:14:01.240
<v Speaker 1>Can I get you something to eat? And he's stalling

1:14:01.240 --> 1:14:03.160
<v Speaker 1>her to get her to stay. On the other side

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<v Speaker 1>of the glass, it's Craig and Beck and Huang watching

1:14:05.960 --> 1:14:07.960
<v Speaker 1>and Beck's like, I don't get why she's protecting him,

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<v Speaker 1>because you don't get anything about victims, like truly not

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<v Speaker 1>a thing, and Craigan thinks, well, it might be out

1:14:13.439 --> 1:14:15.800
<v Speaker 1>of allegiance to Trendway's mother and Huang's like, I don't

1:14:15.840 --> 1:14:17.760
<v Speaker 1>think so. I think she went to court to see

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<v Speaker 1>him get justice. Well then why won't she talk And

1:14:20.520 --> 1:14:23.400
<v Speaker 1>Huang's like, because she's ashamed and she's not going to

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<v Speaker 1>talk to a man. So now the cameras the camera

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<v Speaker 1>focuses on Beck like, Babe, you're gonna take it this one.

1:14:28.800 --> 1:14:31.439
<v Speaker 1>You're gonna finally man up and join us view for real.

1:14:31.760 --> 1:14:33.880
<v Speaker 1>And this is her moment to step up and like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>be an SVU detective who is all?

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<v Speaker 4>She annoys me.

1:14:36.360 --> 1:14:39.040
<v Speaker 2>Doing this too, Like now that she's nice to a victim,

1:14:39.080 --> 1:14:39.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm pissed too.

1:14:41.000 --> 1:14:41.200
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I hate when she walks in and starts speaking French.

1:14:44.120 --> 1:14:47.040
<v Speaker 2>It like sickens me. I'm like, you try hard, bitch,

1:14:47.120 --> 1:14:48.360
<v Speaker 2>I don't know that that sucks.

1:14:49.640 --> 1:14:55.000
<v Speaker 1>It's oh there, Yeah, she's multi lingual and Beck knocks

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<v Speaker 1>on the door and asks can I come in in French?

1:14:57.439 --> 1:14:59.600
<v Speaker 1>And then she gives her some water, continues speaking to

1:14:59.640 --> 1:15:01.400
<v Speaker 1>her in friend, and she tells her about how she

1:15:01.479 --> 1:15:04.080
<v Speaker 1>used to summer in Avignon, not far from where Lorraine

1:15:04.120 --> 1:15:07.400
<v Speaker 1>grew up, and she tells her you shouldn't be ashamed,

1:15:07.560 --> 1:15:09.160
<v Speaker 1>and Lorraine goes ashamed of what?

1:15:09.760 --> 1:15:11.800
<v Speaker 4>And she said, of what he did to you? Did

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<v Speaker 4>he rape you?

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<v Speaker 1>She asked, And this is all in French, and Lorraine

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<v Speaker 1>again says no, no, no, I don't want to talk

1:15:16.240 --> 1:15:18.960
<v Speaker 1>about this, and Beck tells her it's okay, and then

1:15:19.080 --> 1:15:22.439
<v Speaker 1>tells her about her cop husband who was murdered four

1:15:22.520 --> 1:15:25.519
<v Speaker 1>years ago, and for a long time she couldn't talk

1:15:25.520 --> 1:15:27.840
<v Speaker 1>about it either, and then once she did, she felt

1:15:27.920 --> 1:15:30.240
<v Speaker 1>much better. No one should have to live with what

1:15:30.280 --> 1:15:32.559
<v Speaker 1>you went through like in secret, basically.

1:15:33.080 --> 1:15:35.559
<v Speaker 2>And then but Lorraine's stories have nothing to do with

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<v Speaker 2>each other, so that's like that analogy.

1:15:38.280 --> 1:15:41.879
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I guess, like, just talk about your trauma

1:15:42.000 --> 1:15:43.800
<v Speaker 1>is the only thing she's trying to say to this woman.

1:15:44.120 --> 1:15:46.120
<v Speaker 4>But opening up giving her a secret.

1:15:46.160 --> 1:15:48.080
<v Speaker 1>She didn't tell that to Stable earlier when they were

1:15:48.120 --> 1:15:49.599
<v Speaker 1>talking about husbands and whatever.

1:15:50.200 --> 1:15:51.800
<v Speaker 4>So now she's.

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<v Speaker 1>Worth you know, Okay, Now we know why she's so,

1:15:55.240 --> 1:15:57.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, driven to get bad guys because someone murdered

1:15:57.800 --> 1:16:00.680
<v Speaker 1>her husband or I don't know. Then Lorraine switches to

1:16:00.720 --> 1:16:03.240
<v Speaker 1>English and goes but I promised his mother, and Beck says, yeah,

1:16:03.280 --> 1:16:05.599
<v Speaker 1>and you kept that promise. You helped him, and now

1:16:05.640 --> 1:16:08.439
<v Speaker 1>you have to help yourself. Back to enent Francis and

1:16:08.520 --> 1:16:11.599
<v Speaker 1>Lorraine says, I didn't want to get him in trouble.

1:16:11.680 --> 1:16:14.760
<v Speaker 1>I forced myself to forget. I pretended nothing happen. But

1:16:14.800 --> 1:16:17.160
<v Speaker 1>you keep it inside, it eats you up. My fiance

1:16:17.320 --> 1:16:19.160
<v Speaker 1>tried to help me, but I couldn't tell him anything.

1:16:19.240 --> 1:16:22.479
<v Speaker 1>He finally left, and after that I knew that no

1:16:22.600 --> 1:16:26.519
<v Speaker 1>man would ever want me. So did Marty attack you?

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<v Speaker 1>She said, it's okay, you don't have to protect him anymore,

1:16:28.840 --> 1:16:30.920
<v Speaker 1>and Lorraine nods and says, yes, it was Marty, and

1:16:30.960 --> 1:16:33.519
<v Speaker 1>she immediately burst into tears. She's like, I didn't want

1:16:33.520 --> 1:16:36.360
<v Speaker 1>to say it, but it was Marty. So now we're

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<v Speaker 1>at an evidentiary hearing, okay, And it is four days later.

1:16:40.720 --> 1:16:44.640
<v Speaker 1>Lorraine is on the stand. She's explaining that Marty was

1:16:44.720 --> 1:16:47.320
<v Speaker 1>upset the night he came over, but he wouldn't say why.

1:16:47.360 --> 1:16:49.640
<v Speaker 1>He asked for a soda. When she was getting it

1:16:49.640 --> 1:16:53.000
<v Speaker 1>out of the fridge, she was hit from behind, knocked

1:16:53.000 --> 1:16:53.599
<v Speaker 1>to the floor.

1:16:53.880 --> 1:16:54.559
<v Speaker 4>It was Marty.

1:16:54.920 --> 1:16:57.840
<v Speaker 1>He was hitting me and hitting me and Trenway stands

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<v Speaker 1>up and screams, you're lying.

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<v Speaker 4>Why are you lying?

1:17:00.320 --> 1:17:02.920
<v Speaker 1>And then she yells back, you know it's true, Marty,

1:17:02.920 --> 1:17:05.639
<v Speaker 1>and then he screams, you swore you wouldn't say anything,

1:17:05.680 --> 1:17:08.479
<v Speaker 1>like wow, he turned real quick like he immediately was like,

1:17:08.760 --> 1:17:12.760
<v Speaker 1>but you promised, And so Lorraine keeps going. She goes,

1:17:12.800 --> 1:17:14.720
<v Speaker 1>you grab the kitchen knife from the counter. You made

1:17:14.760 --> 1:17:17.240
<v Speaker 1>me pull down my pants, and you raped me, and

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<v Speaker 1>Trenway sits down as Judge Queen Judge Petrovsky is banging

1:17:21.200 --> 1:17:24.639
<v Speaker 1>her gavel asking for order, and Novak asks, why didn't

1:17:24.760 --> 1:17:27.320
<v Speaker 1>you tell the police about the rape? She said, I

1:17:27.439 --> 1:17:29.479
<v Speaker 1>was single, I was engaged to be married. I was

1:17:29.520 --> 1:17:32.680
<v Speaker 1>embarrassed and ashamed. I didn't know what my fiance would do,

1:17:32.920 --> 1:17:36.800
<v Speaker 1>and Marty was like family to me. So Novak asks

1:17:36.840 --> 1:17:39.960
<v Speaker 1>Petrowski to accept this testimony as proof that Trendway has

1:17:40.000 --> 1:17:44.000
<v Speaker 1>raped before, and Petrovski tells Lorraine that she is so

1:17:44.040 --> 1:17:45.920
<v Speaker 1>sorry for what she has endured and sorry that she

1:17:45.960 --> 1:17:48.120
<v Speaker 1>can never try Martin Trenway for what he did to her.

1:17:48.360 --> 1:17:51.559
<v Speaker 1>But this is an evidentiary hearing, not a trial, and

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<v Speaker 1>because it happened so long ago, there is no proof

1:17:54.160 --> 1:17:58.880
<v Speaker 1>to support your testimony. And I cannot admit this under

1:17:58.920 --> 1:18:01.320
<v Speaker 1>Malino on the ground that it would be unfairly pressured

1:18:01.439 --> 1:18:02.960
<v Speaker 1>prejudicial to the defendant.

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<v Speaker 4>But wouldn't Novak know that?

1:18:05.080 --> 1:18:07.160
<v Speaker 1>Like I'm so confused about, Like why would you even

1:18:07.520 --> 1:18:10.760
<v Speaker 1>call this hearing if you know that a judge is

1:18:10.800 --> 1:18:14.040
<v Speaker 1>not going to give you any I guess what the

1:18:14.080 --> 1:18:16.640
<v Speaker 1>difference is is like he never went to trial for

1:18:16.680 --> 1:18:19.599
<v Speaker 1>this because it's past the statute of limitations. But there's evidence, right,

1:18:19.640 --> 1:18:21.559
<v Speaker 1>And but Novak knew putting her up on the stand

1:18:21.560 --> 1:18:25.240
<v Speaker 1>that there was no evidence. And then for the sake

1:18:25.240 --> 1:18:29.240
<v Speaker 1>of drama, Lorraine interrupts Petrovsky and goes, I buried it.

1:18:29.520 --> 1:18:32.280
<v Speaker 1>I buried it like my memories. After Marty left that night,

1:18:32.320 --> 1:18:33.840
<v Speaker 1>I took off all my clothes I was wearing and

1:18:33.840 --> 1:18:35.960
<v Speaker 1>I stuffed them in a box. There's a place in

1:18:36.000 --> 1:18:39.040
<v Speaker 1>the basement. And as she's talking, we're seeing stablers search

1:18:39.120 --> 1:18:41.799
<v Speaker 1>for the box in her basement. He finds this floral

1:18:41.840 --> 1:18:44.040
<v Speaker 1>box and he opens it and it is stuffed with clothes.

1:18:44.479 --> 1:18:46.479
<v Speaker 1>And she continues that she kept the box down there

1:18:46.520 --> 1:18:49.240
<v Speaker 1>for forty years until she heard that Marty had raped

1:18:49.280 --> 1:18:51.080
<v Speaker 1>a girl and she knew it had to be true.

1:18:51.760 --> 1:18:53.360
<v Speaker 4>Why was this not given to.

1:18:53.560 --> 1:18:59.040
<v Speaker 1>You, to anybody before this like evidentiary hearing? It just

1:18:59.040 --> 1:19:02.519
<v Speaker 1>doesn't make any sense to me, And so we cut

1:19:02.560 --> 1:19:06.519
<v Speaker 1>some Melinda comparing Trendway's DNA to the DNA on Lorrain's clothes,

1:19:06.560 --> 1:19:07.880
<v Speaker 1>and boom, they're a match.

1:19:08.560 --> 1:19:10.559
<v Speaker 4>Martin Trenway raped Nicki West.

1:19:10.600 --> 1:19:12.960
<v Speaker 1>But she says that with such certainty, it's like that

1:19:13.040 --> 1:19:16.840
<v Speaker 1>doesn't actually quite prove that. It makes it so that

1:19:16.880 --> 1:19:18.840
<v Speaker 1>we can get maybe this Molino witness in, but it

1:19:18.840 --> 1:19:21.519
<v Speaker 1>doesn't necessarily prove that he definitely raped Nicko West, even

1:19:21.520 --> 1:19:24.240
<v Speaker 1>though I do think he did. Back at the hearing,

1:19:24.680 --> 1:19:28.320
<v Speaker 1>Lorraine is still talking. She all this has been going on,

1:19:28.320 --> 1:19:30.240
<v Speaker 1>all this testing has been going on. While she's talking,

1:19:31.080 --> 1:19:33.840
<v Speaker 1>she goes, I blame myself. Marty was only fifteen. It

1:19:33.880 --> 1:19:36.600
<v Speaker 1>really reminded me of the of the Alfred Molina episode,

1:19:37.040 --> 1:19:41.799
<v Speaker 1>Like it reminded me of someone who's like assaulting adults

1:19:41.880 --> 1:19:45.559
<v Speaker 1>as a team and is not being stopped because promising

1:19:45.640 --> 1:19:47.879
<v Speaker 1>young man whatever bullshit right.

1:19:48.960 --> 1:19:52.240
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Like her whole life was not worth.

1:19:54.040 --> 1:19:55.760
<v Speaker 2>His, like you know what I mean, And she just

1:19:55.840 --> 1:19:57.360
<v Speaker 2>lived with no one, was like no one will be

1:19:57.400 --> 1:19:59.479
<v Speaker 2>with me and that's fine to keep this promise to

1:19:59.640 --> 1:20:03.200
<v Speaker 2>my dead friend. And it's like, your life's worth more

1:20:03.240 --> 1:20:05.160
<v Speaker 2>than this, dude, It's like so weird.

1:20:05.479 --> 1:20:08.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and the chances are your friend didn't know kind

1:20:08.520 --> 1:20:11.559
<v Speaker 1>of the monster that her son was or becoming or.

1:20:11.479 --> 1:20:16.080
<v Speaker 4>Ally did or did yeah? Or did or did? Oh?

1:20:16.320 --> 1:20:19.759
<v Speaker 4>That's dark, that's the dark part.

1:20:20.080 --> 1:20:21.880
<v Speaker 1>You know that your son is Like, Oh, we need

1:20:21.880 --> 1:20:23.960
<v Speaker 1>to talk about Kevin, and you on your deathbed, tell

1:20:24.000 --> 1:20:25.400
<v Speaker 1>your friend please look out for him.

1:20:25.760 --> 1:20:28.040
<v Speaker 2>Wait, I've never seen it. What does he end up killing?

1:20:28.080 --> 1:20:29.280
<v Speaker 2>Or like what happens spoiled?

1:20:29.280 --> 1:20:29.639
<v Speaker 4>Does anyone?

1:20:29.680 --> 1:20:31.800
<v Speaker 1>Has anyone seen it? I'm it, but I want to

1:20:31.800 --> 1:20:33.680
<v Speaker 1>know what happens if you have not watched. We need

1:20:33.680 --> 1:20:35.839
<v Speaker 1>to talk about Kevin. I'm giving away the plot right now. Basically,

1:20:35.880 --> 1:20:37.680
<v Speaker 1>she knows his whole life. She can tell something's up

1:20:37.680 --> 1:20:40.200
<v Speaker 1>with him, and eventually he does the equivalent of a

1:20:40.200 --> 1:20:42.120
<v Speaker 1>school shooting but with a bow and arrow, and he

1:20:42.200 --> 1:20:45.439
<v Speaker 1>like kills a bunch of people. Jared and I went

1:20:45.439 --> 1:20:47.040
<v Speaker 1>to see it on one of our first dates. Oh

1:20:47.040 --> 1:20:51.000
<v Speaker 1>my god, I think I know that. But did did

1:20:51.160 --> 1:20:52.559
<v Speaker 1>he go to Like what's the move?

1:20:52.800 --> 1:20:55.360
<v Speaker 4>Like? When does what timeline? Does the movie start him?

1:20:55.479 --> 1:20:57.680
<v Speaker 1>It starts him like as a as a kid, it's

1:20:57.680 --> 1:20:59.479
<v Speaker 1>like his whole life and he does weird things and

1:20:59.520 --> 1:21:02.559
<v Speaker 1>the mom keep being like, am I doing something wrong?

1:21:02.680 --> 1:21:03.200
<v Speaker 4>Is it him?

1:21:03.320 --> 1:21:06.240
<v Speaker 1>Like it's kind of psychopath like nature versus nurture kind

1:21:06.240 --> 1:21:08.840
<v Speaker 1>of conversation. Is that movie Casey In the end, does

1:21:08.880 --> 1:21:11.200
<v Speaker 1>he like go to trial or anything? Or I don't

1:21:11.240 --> 1:21:14.200
<v Speaker 1>remember that part? He goes to jail, and then she

1:21:14.280 --> 1:21:16.640
<v Speaker 1>has to live with like the she also has to

1:21:16.640 --> 1:21:19.360
<v Speaker 1>live with the stigma of being like the parent of

1:21:19.360 --> 1:21:21.799
<v Speaker 1>a school shooter or like a mass murderer.

1:21:22.000 --> 1:21:25.600
<v Speaker 4>But it's also like this thing where she from the

1:21:25.720 --> 1:21:27.760
<v Speaker 4>very beginning is like, there's something off about my son,

1:21:27.760 --> 1:21:30.080
<v Speaker 4>there's something very dark and wrong with him, and everybody

1:21:30.080 --> 1:21:32.839
<v Speaker 4>else is like you really have it out for Kevin,

1:21:32.920 --> 1:21:35.320
<v Speaker 4>don't you? What's your deal? What's wrong with you? And

1:21:35.360 --> 1:21:37.800
<v Speaker 4>then you know, she ends up being right, but no

1:21:37.840 --> 1:21:39.840
<v Speaker 4>one believes her and then afterwards they'll blame her.

1:21:40.360 --> 1:21:45.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, basically, that's that's classic motherhood. It's like boys will

1:21:45.880 --> 1:21:48.000
<v Speaker 1>be boys and then it's like you do you, Like

1:21:48.200 --> 1:21:49.920
<v Speaker 1>he's not boys will be boys, and it's like, well,

1:21:49.960 --> 1:21:51.400
<v Speaker 1>you were a bad mom, like you probably made him

1:21:51.439 --> 1:21:51.720
<v Speaker 1>that way.

1:21:51.760 --> 1:21:55.320
<v Speaker 4>Like it's really we've seen that well anyway.

1:21:55.680 --> 1:22:00.320
<v Speaker 1>Anyway, so Marty was only fifteen, he had a whole

1:22:00.320 --> 1:22:02.280
<v Speaker 1>life ahead of him. Lorena is saying, so I made

1:22:02.320 --> 1:22:04.320
<v Speaker 1>myself forget what he had done. Maybe if I had

1:22:04.360 --> 1:22:06.759
<v Speaker 1>spoken up, he could have been helped. Maybe he wouldn't

1:22:06.760 --> 1:22:09.840
<v Speaker 1>have harmed this young lady. And then classic SVU. Even

1:22:09.880 --> 1:22:13.200
<v Speaker 1>though the date from the first visit to Martin Trenway's

1:22:13.200 --> 1:22:16.559
<v Speaker 1>apartment was on September nineteenth, it is now October second.

1:22:16.880 --> 1:22:18.960
<v Speaker 1>They zoom in on Nicky West and it's a fresh

1:22:19.000 --> 1:22:22.439
<v Speaker 1>face Lily Rob with not a scratch on her face.

1:22:22.800 --> 1:22:25.200
<v Speaker 1>She does not have you know, sometimes it's like, oh,

1:22:25.240 --> 1:22:27.160
<v Speaker 1>the black ey's gotten better, but there's still a little

1:22:27.160 --> 1:22:29.400
<v Speaker 1>bit of it. She has not a scratch out her face,

1:22:29.439 --> 1:22:33.800
<v Speaker 1>and it's been thirteen days since she was rearranged and

1:22:33.840 --> 1:22:37.680
<v Speaker 1>probably needed plastic surgery. And you know whatever, we got

1:22:37.720 --> 1:22:43.120
<v Speaker 1>beautiful young Lily Rob sitting there. She like Lorraine, apologizes

1:22:43.160 --> 1:22:46.000
<v Speaker 1>to her from the stand. A solitary tear rolls down

1:22:46.080 --> 1:22:50.559
<v Speaker 1>Nicky's cheek. It's very dramatic. Outside the courtroom, Novak says

1:22:51.160 --> 1:22:54.479
<v Speaker 1>Trendway will plead guilty to raping Niki and give them

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<v Speaker 1>the names of all the victims he can remember, and

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<v Speaker 1>in return, Casey recommends the mac sentence. I go, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't really know that's a deal, but okay. Beck's like, well,

1:23:03.360 --> 1:23:05.040
<v Speaker 1>it won't be long enough. Did he agree to it?

1:23:05.080 --> 1:23:07.160
<v Speaker 1>And Novack goes, oh, yeah, he's waving the white flag.

1:23:07.200 --> 1:23:09.439
<v Speaker 1>He knows it's all over, which I sort of don't

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<v Speaker 1>believe any rich man that gets busted ever, is truly

1:23:13.840 --> 1:23:15.840
<v Speaker 1>waving the white flag and knows it's all over, unless

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<v Speaker 1>there's fully a video of you murdering someone. I think

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<v Speaker 1>they all try to like get through loopholes and just

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<v Speaker 1>spend money until they get an appeal.

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder if it's because he's a lawyer and he

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<v Speaker 2>just knows he's fucked.

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe.

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<v Speaker 1>But Lorraine wants to know, well, what does this all mean?

1:23:32.320 --> 1:23:34.320
<v Speaker 1>And Beck goes, well, it means that when he when

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<v Speaker 1>and if he gets out of prison, he'll be too

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<v Speaker 1>old to rape anyone. And Nicky asks Lorraine and it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd like to know the actual number of years, because

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<v Speaker 1>he's fifty four right now, and we've seen horrible rapists

1:23:43.360 --> 1:23:45.519
<v Speaker 1>get like ten years, So I'd love to know for

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<v Speaker 1>sure that he's going to that he's getting thirty to

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<v Speaker 1>forty years. Nicky asks Lorraine, how can I ever repay you?

1:23:52.520 --> 1:23:55.479
<v Speaker 1>And she goes, move on, live your life, don't lock

1:23:55.520 --> 1:23:58.760
<v Speaker 1>yourself away the way I did. And Lorraine turns to

1:23:58.840 --> 1:24:02.000
<v Speaker 1>Beck and you know, touches her arm and says mercy twice.

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<v Speaker 1>And she walks off with her head held high and

1:24:06.160 --> 1:24:08.880
<v Speaker 1>smile a little bit of a smile on her face.

1:24:09.320 --> 1:24:11.639
<v Speaker 1>And so maybe Lorraine is going to start living now

1:24:11.680 --> 1:24:17.639
<v Speaker 1>in her seventies. And that's Dick Wolf Baby. A very

1:24:17.680 --> 1:24:21.080
<v Speaker 1>wild episode plot wise, but a little all over the

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<v Speaker 1>place plot wise, But I do like the.

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<v Speaker 4>I do like some of the themes, and I like

1:24:27.600 --> 1:24:29.920
<v Speaker 4>some of the guest casting. Its great good one. And

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<v Speaker 4>guess what you're gonna hate the crimes? Oh god? All right,

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<v Speaker 4>So we're moving on along.

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<v Speaker 2>This guy, the Belmont Shore rapist, and this connects because

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<v Speaker 2>of DNA stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>I would say, that's how this this case I connect it.

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<v Speaker 2>So basically, these this guy, this rapist he was attacking.

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<v Speaker 2>His name is Mark Wayne Rathbun wrath Bun, but I

1:25:02.080 --> 1:25:05.840
<v Speaker 2>only think of mister Ratburn from Arthur, so it's hard

1:25:05.880 --> 1:25:11.479
<v Speaker 2>for me. But okay, So he attacked in California and

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<v Speaker 2>in Washington State from nineteen ninety six until two thousand

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<v Speaker 2>and two. And it was a series of assaults and

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<v Speaker 2>they occurred in late night to early morning hours in

1:25:20.760 --> 1:25:23.720
<v Speaker 2>homes where doors were not locked or not properly secured.

1:25:24.200 --> 1:25:27.000
<v Speaker 2>But also he would jimmy his way in as well,

1:25:27.160 --> 1:25:30.080
<v Speaker 2>sometimes a window, sometimes a back door. I don't think

1:25:30.120 --> 1:25:34.120
<v Speaker 2>we should be like blaming people, but yeah, you gotta

1:25:34.160 --> 1:25:40.040
<v Speaker 2>lock your door, okay. So the victims ranged at an eight age. Actually,

1:25:40.560 --> 1:25:42.439
<v Speaker 2>I had a friend come over this week and he

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<v Speaker 2>went one floor up and walked into another person's apartment.

1:25:46.200 --> 1:25:49.200
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, it was two girls, but they have actually

1:25:49.280 --> 1:25:51.160
<v Speaker 2>just moved in. So to me, I'm like, where have

1:25:51.200 --> 1:25:53.839
<v Speaker 2>you come from? You should actually lock your door. Yeah,

1:25:54.640 --> 1:25:58.120
<v Speaker 2>But my friend's non threatening, so I'm sure they were fine.

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<v Speaker 4>He has a bob.

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<v Speaker 2>So the victims ranged in age from thirty to seventy four.

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<v Speaker 4>The majority were elderly. The women were always alone.

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<v Speaker 2>No weapons were used, but he would wear gloves and

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<v Speaker 2>a mask, and then after the rape, he would forcibly

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<v Speaker 2>cuddle with them in their beds.

1:26:17.880 --> 1:26:19.479
<v Speaker 4>Oh, now, I.

1:26:19.560 --> 1:26:24.360
<v Speaker 2>Know it's like that, it's just so fucked. It's all fucked.

1:26:24.400 --> 1:26:27.720
<v Speaker 2>But like that's definitely a new fuck. Like, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think we've had that before. I don't think we've had

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<v Speaker 2>a forced cuddle.

1:26:31.000 --> 1:26:34.080
<v Speaker 4>No, but I hate that.

1:26:35.080 --> 1:26:39.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, rape, oral rape, sodomy, penetration with foreign objects, all

1:26:40.040 --> 1:26:44.120
<v Speaker 2>the hits. And it started in Seattle in nineteen ninety

1:26:44.160 --> 1:26:47.920
<v Speaker 2>six and then in ninety seven the attacks moved to California.

1:26:48.120 --> 1:26:50.960
<v Speaker 2>A lull from June two thousand to December two thousand

1:26:50.960 --> 1:26:54.240
<v Speaker 2>and one, but in total, over thirty women attacked, and

1:26:54.320 --> 1:27:01.000
<v Speaker 2>authorities to The Orlando Sentinel described him as a drifter. Okay,

1:27:01.080 --> 1:27:03.760
<v Speaker 2>so he's just like a drifter and he traveled by bicycle.

1:27:04.240 --> 1:27:08.960
<v Speaker 2>So hm, that's his vibe. Sorry, I just like, I

1:27:09.000 --> 1:27:11.479
<v Speaker 2>don't know, to be like a rapist on a bicycle, Like,

1:27:11.520 --> 1:27:12.639
<v Speaker 2>it's just so annoying.

1:27:13.000 --> 1:27:16.040
<v Speaker 1>Remember the tr Night episode, he was on a bike course.

1:27:16.120 --> 1:27:18.560
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, how dare you? How dare you question.

1:27:21.320 --> 1:27:24.400
<v Speaker 2>Mark Wayne? Okay, so Mark Wayne. He was arrested after

1:27:24.520 --> 1:27:27.480
<v Speaker 2>DNA evidence linked him to some of the attacks. So basically,

1:27:27.720 --> 1:27:29.559
<v Speaker 2>like the cops got him when Mark was thirty two

1:27:29.640 --> 1:27:32.120
<v Speaker 2>in Long Beach in November two thousand and two, when

1:27:32.120 --> 1:27:34.759
<v Speaker 2>he was stopped on a bicycle about three blocks from

1:27:35.320 --> 1:27:38.040
<v Speaker 2>his latest attack. So the cops get a call of

1:27:38.040 --> 1:27:40.280
<v Speaker 2>a break in and an attempted sexual assault. This woman

1:27:40.360 --> 1:27:43.000
<v Speaker 2>fought him off and they had a quick response, shockingly,

1:27:43.439 --> 1:27:45.720
<v Speaker 2>and they set up a perimeter around the crime and

1:27:45.840 --> 1:27:48.120
<v Speaker 2>two other people were stopped as well and questioned.

1:27:48.560 --> 1:27:49.880
<v Speaker 4>But he had an injury to his.

1:27:49.760 --> 1:27:52.799
<v Speaker 2>Finger, and the police believed that came from a victim

1:27:52.800 --> 1:27:54.800
<v Speaker 2>because the victim said she bit his finger in hand.

1:27:55.400 --> 1:27:58.400
<v Speaker 2>But then also he had a crack pipe, so they

1:27:58.479 --> 1:28:02.439
<v Speaker 2>were able to charge with possession of drug paraphernalia. They

1:28:02.479 --> 1:28:04.599
<v Speaker 2>did release someone a two hundred and fifty dollars bail,

1:28:04.880 --> 1:28:08.439
<v Speaker 2>but he gave up his DNA voluntarily and left, and

1:28:08.479 --> 1:28:11.040
<v Speaker 2>that might have been the crack influence.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I wonder because it was like two thousand

1:28:15.720 --> 1:28:17.599
<v Speaker 1>and two and he might have like not even known

1:28:17.680 --> 1:28:23.120
<v Speaker 1>what DNA like does like that it.

1:28:21.600 --> 1:28:24.600
<v Speaker 4>Is going to put you in jail. Yeah, yeah, I

1:28:24.600 --> 1:28:26.360
<v Speaker 4>don't know. Maybe you escape.

1:28:26.880 --> 1:28:29.840
<v Speaker 2>So he was then put under surveillance, and once the

1:28:29.920 --> 1:28:33.880
<v Speaker 2>DNA sample came back and matched thirteen of the attacks,

1:28:34.720 --> 1:28:39.280
<v Speaker 2>they took him into comity an ox snard. He was

1:28:39.400 --> 1:28:42.760
<v Speaker 2>arraigned within forty eight hours from the arrest. So very

1:28:42.800 --> 1:28:47.400
<v Speaker 2>y SVU timing, uh huh. So that that's pretty wild.

1:28:47.960 --> 1:28:50.840
<v Speaker 2>And this guess what this all started. He had a

1:28:50.840 --> 1:28:54.360
<v Speaker 2>peeping tom charge when he was seventeen. The gateway drug,

1:28:54.800 --> 1:28:58.040
<v Speaker 2>the gateway drug of skateway drugs to sex crimes is

1:28:58.080 --> 1:29:02.599
<v Speaker 2>peeping tom rie yep. Yeah, and so yeah, the thirteen

1:29:02.640 --> 1:29:05.000
<v Speaker 2>attacks had DNA, and then the methods of the crime

1:29:05.479 --> 1:29:08.599
<v Speaker 2>were similar and connected him to eighteen other attacks even

1:29:08.640 --> 1:29:10.880
<v Speaker 2>though there was no physical evidence left behind in those.

1:29:12.000 --> 1:29:15.000
<v Speaker 2>He also had a burglary charge in eighty nine. He

1:29:15.120 --> 1:29:19.679
<v Speaker 2>was convicted in four on fifty nine rape counts connected

1:29:19.720 --> 1:29:23.679
<v Speaker 2>to ten women he raped in California. So the judge

1:29:23.680 --> 1:29:26.719
<v Speaker 2>called Rathbun a monster and sentenced him to one thousand

1:29:26.720 --> 1:29:29.320
<v Speaker 2>and thirty years in prison plus ten life terms.

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<v Speaker 4>So like slay diva, that is a sleigh diva. That

1:29:33.520 --> 1:29:36.679
<v Speaker 4>is quite a sentence. Yes, it's so funny.

1:29:37.880 --> 1:29:41.000
<v Speaker 2>So then Seattle attacks went to court even after that,

1:29:41.360 --> 1:29:44.080
<v Speaker 2>and that jury took two hours of deliberation and they

1:29:44.080 --> 1:29:48.000
<v Speaker 2>found him guilty in three more rapes committed twelve you know,

1:29:48.040 --> 1:29:53.479
<v Speaker 2>like twelve years prior in King's County. So he got yeah,

1:29:53.520 --> 1:29:55.800
<v Speaker 2>so in California was already serving one thousand years and

1:29:55.800 --> 1:29:57.559
<v Speaker 2>then they found him guilty of like these three more

1:29:57.600 --> 1:30:00.920
<v Speaker 2>rapes in Seattle. He did try to and they were like,

1:30:01.240 --> 1:30:04.599
<v Speaker 2>oh no, babe, But he said the claims were like

1:30:05.080 --> 1:30:07.680
<v Speaker 2>his claims were, the sentence was cruel and unusual.

1:30:07.920 --> 1:30:10.680
<v Speaker 4>But you raped over thirty women, so I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Now, imagine you get called for jury duty for

1:30:16.600 --> 1:30:19.439
<v Speaker 1>a guy that's already serving one thousand years in another state. Like,

1:30:19.840 --> 1:30:23.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I have jury duty next week. I'm nervous.

1:30:23.320 --> 1:30:25.000
<v Speaker 4>I feel like I've avoided it so many times. I

1:30:25.040 --> 1:30:25.720
<v Speaker 4>think it could get me.

1:30:25.760 --> 1:30:25.960
<v Speaker 1>Now.

1:30:26.920 --> 1:30:29.400
<v Speaker 2>I wish I could go, but I have to become

1:30:29.439 --> 1:30:30.920
<v Speaker 2>a citizen here in New York.

1:30:31.479 --> 1:30:33.679
<v Speaker 4>I don't think that's the word. To become a citizen.

1:30:34.479 --> 1:30:38.000
<v Speaker 1>Get a license, that's it.

1:30:38.640 --> 1:30:43.400
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, yeah, all right, so now this will boil

1:30:43.439 --> 1:30:46.320
<v Speaker 2>your blood like this is like the opposite. Okay, just

1:30:46.360 --> 1:30:50.439
<v Speaker 2>let me get into this. So Melvin Carter, he has

1:30:50.479 --> 1:30:53.559
<v Speaker 2>a fucking nickname too, the college terrorist Rapist.

1:30:54.040 --> 1:30:54.479
<v Speaker 4>Okay.

1:30:54.640 --> 1:30:58.559
<v Speaker 2>So, in nineteen eighty two, Melvin admitted to raping one

1:30:58.720 --> 1:31:02.720
<v Speaker 2>hundred women in the Bay. According to court documents, he

1:31:02.800 --> 1:31:05.200
<v Speaker 2>said he assaults in an average of one woman a

1:31:05.240 --> 1:31:09.280
<v Speaker 2>month for ten years, and usually by invading their homes

1:31:09.320 --> 1:31:12.519
<v Speaker 2>at night and attacking them at knife point. He was

1:31:12.600 --> 1:31:15.320
<v Speaker 2>known as this college terrorist rapist because he stalks the

1:31:15.360 --> 1:31:19.240
<v Speaker 2>campuses in Stanford, Berkeley, and Davis. In nineteen eighty two,

1:31:19.840 --> 1:31:24.600
<v Speaker 2>he pled no contest to twenty three counts of rape, assault, burglary,

1:31:24.640 --> 1:31:28.040
<v Speaker 2>and attempted burglary in Alameda County. So he was given

1:31:28.080 --> 1:31:32.040
<v Speaker 2>a twenty five year sentence and only served twelve years

1:31:32.080 --> 1:31:32.639
<v Speaker 2>of that time.

1:31:33.120 --> 1:31:35.280
<v Speaker 1>These eighty sentences are going to give me a fucking

1:31:35.320 --> 1:31:37.559
<v Speaker 1>heart attack. Like the fact that that the way things

1:31:37.560 --> 1:31:39.879
<v Speaker 1>were going down in the eighties where it was like, oh, rape,

1:31:40.120 --> 1:31:42.160
<v Speaker 1>go to jail for like a couple months and then

1:31:42.200 --> 1:31:42.719
<v Speaker 1>come on out.

1:31:42.920 --> 1:31:44.280
<v Speaker 4>Oh it's gonna get worse and worse.

1:31:44.439 --> 1:31:46.880
<v Speaker 2>But like the fact that the other guy got a

1:31:46.960 --> 1:31:50.040
<v Speaker 2>thousand years and this guy got twelve and he was released,

1:31:50.080 --> 1:31:52.880
<v Speaker 2>he was given parole. But I don't know what no

1:31:52.960 --> 1:31:55.599
<v Speaker 2>contest means, Like what is that? That's fucked?

1:31:56.120 --> 1:31:59.479
<v Speaker 1>But like whatever, Well, I mean I know that like

1:31:59.800 --> 1:32:03.920
<v Speaker 1>no contests usually means you don't necessarily admit guilt, but

1:32:04.000 --> 1:32:07.360
<v Speaker 1>it means you think they have enough evidence to find

1:32:07.400 --> 1:32:09.880
<v Speaker 1>you guilty, Like you.

1:32:09.840 --> 1:32:13.519
<v Speaker 2>Know, should give those people more time? Yeah, he should

1:32:13.520 --> 1:32:13.880
<v Speaker 2>give them.

1:32:13.840 --> 1:32:16.400
<v Speaker 4>More Yeah yeah yeah yeah, Like they did to the

1:32:16.439 --> 1:32:16.960
<v Speaker 4>French guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so he was given parole. Oh okay, so he

1:32:21.479 --> 1:32:25.479
<v Speaker 2>got to leave early for good behavior. But so basically

1:32:25.520 --> 1:32:28.600
<v Speaker 2>the parole was three years in a prison camp. But

1:32:28.720 --> 1:32:30.760
<v Speaker 2>let me explain, it's not like a prison camp that

1:32:30.800 --> 1:32:34.200
<v Speaker 2>you're imagining. So and so he was allowed to leave

1:32:34.240 --> 1:32:37.000
<v Speaker 2>the prison camp with a guard or a parole officer.

1:32:38.120 --> 1:32:40.200
<v Speaker 2>And this happened. This started in nineteen ninety four. I

1:32:40.240 --> 1:32:43.400
<v Speaker 2>don't know what kind of hannibal lecture shit, this is. Okay,

1:32:44.240 --> 1:32:47.879
<v Speaker 2>So he did have electronic monitoring, twenty five mile restriction

1:32:47.960 --> 1:32:52.560
<v Speaker 2>on travel, regular lie detector tests, psychiatric treatment, and he

1:32:52.600 --> 1:32:54.920
<v Speaker 2>couldn't leave the residents for more than twelve hours.

1:32:54.960 --> 1:32:57.040
<v Speaker 4>But like, why does he get any of this? Like,

1:32:57.080 --> 1:32:58.280
<v Speaker 4>I'm just so confused.

1:32:58.760 --> 1:33:03.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like, the corrections department initially tried to release him quietly.

1:33:03.800 --> 1:33:06.000
<v Speaker 2>They wanted to just do it chill, and then the

1:33:06.040 --> 1:33:09.719
<v Speaker 2>community and people got really really mad, and then okay,

1:33:10.160 --> 1:33:15.280
<v Speaker 2>so then with these three years in this place, he

1:33:15.280 --> 1:33:17.360
<v Speaker 2>could then do whatever he wants and just be out

1:33:17.360 --> 1:33:20.759
<v Speaker 2>in the world. And the town was pissed. It's Modic County,

1:33:21.120 --> 1:33:23.360
<v Speaker 2>and one of the residents, Susie. She was funny and

1:33:23.439 --> 1:33:25.560
<v Speaker 2>to the times. She was like, Hey, this is a

1:33:25.640 --> 1:33:27.840
<v Speaker 2>hunting town and he's not gonna last twenty four hours

1:33:27.840 --> 1:33:28.360
<v Speaker 2>in this town.

1:33:30.000 --> 1:33:34.799
<v Speaker 4>Let him out. She's like, letting him out. This town's pissed.

1:33:35.080 --> 1:33:38.679
<v Speaker 2>They were flipping out because this prison camp is actually

1:33:38.680 --> 1:33:39.960
<v Speaker 2>called Devil's Garden.

1:33:40.120 --> 1:33:42.120
<v Speaker 4>Again, these both sound worse than what it really is.

1:33:42.200 --> 1:33:50.400
<v Speaker 4>What the hell so Devil's Garden, Yeah, but it's like

1:33:50.439 --> 1:33:50.920
<v Speaker 4>not that.

1:33:55.040 --> 1:33:58.360
<v Speaker 2>This place is supposed to be for nonviolent felons, so

1:33:58.439 --> 1:34:01.200
<v Speaker 2>his presence alone is an issue and goes against this.

1:34:01.200 --> 1:34:05.040
<v Speaker 2>This is on federal land and this is a national forest,

1:34:05.080 --> 1:34:08.439
<v Speaker 2>so it's the modic National forest and the Forest Service

1:34:08.439 --> 1:34:10.880
<v Speaker 2>who runs this federal land and this camp were pissed.

1:34:11.320 --> 1:34:13.000
<v Speaker 4>So this the Forest Service.

1:34:12.720 --> 1:34:16.360
<v Speaker 2>Spokesman Matt Matt Mathis, he was saying how He's like, oh,

1:34:16.400 --> 1:34:19.000
<v Speaker 2>we're changing, like the rules were it had to be

1:34:19.080 --> 1:34:22.160
<v Speaker 2>nonviolent felons already, and then they let this sex criminal in.

1:34:22.600 --> 1:34:25.160
<v Speaker 2>So then they like changed everything so no one like

1:34:25.200 --> 1:34:27.439
<v Speaker 2>that can be placed with him again without the approval

1:34:27.439 --> 1:34:29.679
<v Speaker 2>of the Forest Service. Like this happened against the Forest

1:34:29.760 --> 1:34:33.599
<v Speaker 2>Service approval, and so they changed something in whatever charter

1:34:33.760 --> 1:34:35.400
<v Speaker 2>or law that like they can't just.

1:34:35.400 --> 1:34:36.679
<v Speaker 4>Put someone in there. Anymore.

1:34:37.000 --> 1:34:39.960
<v Speaker 2>So it's like you're getting townspeople pissed, you're getting these

1:34:40.000 --> 1:34:43.600
<v Speaker 2>forest guys mad, You're getting the victims upset for what

1:34:43.840 --> 1:34:46.679
<v Speaker 2>this guy who's admitted out loud to raping one hundred

1:34:46.680 --> 1:34:49.519
<v Speaker 2>women one a month, Like it's a fucking you know,

1:34:49.640 --> 1:34:53.960
<v Speaker 2>going out for a burger. It's like psychotic. These forest

1:34:54.040 --> 1:34:56.320
<v Speaker 2>people were so mad they threatened to close the whole camp.

1:34:56.360 --> 1:34:58.040
<v Speaker 2>They're like, if you if you let this guy in,

1:34:58.080 --> 1:35:01.160
<v Speaker 2>we're closing it. It's supposed to be for minimum security

1:35:01.160 --> 1:35:04.760
<v Speaker 2>inmates to receive training for being firefighters, and now that

1:35:04.800 --> 1:35:07.360
<v Speaker 2>makes more sense, right, And so yeah, town is like

1:35:07.720 --> 1:35:10.719
<v Speaker 2>we thought it was like chill, nonviolent people like doing

1:35:10.800 --> 1:35:14.400
<v Speaker 2>fire safety, Like we don't want this like rapist.

1:35:14.160 --> 1:35:17.480
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, like drug offenses like yeah.

1:35:16.760 --> 1:35:21.639
<v Speaker 2>They were promised no, no sex crimes. So everyone's like, mad,

1:35:21.800 --> 1:35:25.519
<v Speaker 2>I don't understand it. So he gets released and then

1:35:25.560 --> 1:35:28.879
<v Speaker 2>moves to Livingston County in New York. But they couldn't,

1:35:28.960 --> 1:35:32.040
<v Speaker 2>like the people, the authorities in Livingston couldn't tell the

1:35:32.080 --> 1:35:35.400
<v Speaker 2>public about it because there was a lawsuit that kept

1:35:35.439 --> 1:35:38.720
<v Speaker 2>Carter off the sex offender registry. There was a what

1:35:38.960 --> 1:35:41.280
<v Speaker 2>a lot there was some sort of lawsuit or something

1:35:41.400 --> 1:35:43.160
<v Speaker 2>was happening, so he was able to move to a

1:35:43.200 --> 1:35:46.120
<v Speaker 2>new place, and the authorities were not able to warrant

1:35:46.120 --> 1:35:48.679
<v Speaker 2>its citizens that there was a level three like sex

1:35:48.720 --> 1:35:52.400
<v Speaker 2>offender there. So then finally a judge later like ruled

1:35:52.439 --> 1:35:56.000
<v Speaker 2>he had to register. So he registers, but then he

1:35:56.040 --> 1:36:00.240
<v Speaker 2>gets fucking arrested because he doesn't update his photo the

1:36:00.280 --> 1:36:03.720
<v Speaker 2>way he's supposed to. So in twenty eighteen he gets arrested.

1:36:04.000 --> 1:36:05.639
<v Speaker 2>I don't know why they would leave this man out.

1:36:06.120 --> 1:36:10.720
<v Speaker 2>And then while he's at core for not updating his

1:36:10.760 --> 1:36:14.280
<v Speaker 2>photo on his sex registry Level three after all these rapes,

1:36:14.920 --> 1:36:17.960
<v Speaker 2>seventeen people from his church came to support him at

1:36:17.960 --> 1:36:18.679
<v Speaker 2>that court date.

1:36:19.080 --> 1:36:21.960
<v Speaker 4>Oh no, not the church support.

1:36:22.560 --> 1:36:24.960
<v Speaker 2>And with the violation he was facing up to three years.

1:36:24.960 --> 1:36:26.840
<v Speaker 2>Of course, he didn't got it. He didn't get it.

1:36:26.880 --> 1:36:30.520
<v Speaker 2>He didn't get that. He got four months in intermittent incarceration.

1:36:31.439 --> 1:36:33.320
<v Speaker 2>I don't know he keeps getting I don't does he

1:36:33.360 --> 1:36:37.360
<v Speaker 2>have like the ja'afar hypnotized stick. I don't understand how

1:36:37.400 --> 1:36:40.559
<v Speaker 2>he's just like maneuvering through the justice system in this way,

1:36:40.760 --> 1:36:44.400
<v Speaker 2>because it's not like it's he doesn't seem wealthy to

1:36:44.479 --> 1:36:47.720
<v Speaker 2>what I'm looking you know whatever, Okay, So anyways, he

1:36:47.800 --> 1:36:50.599
<v Speaker 2>got four months in intermittent incarceration. He paid a three

1:36:50.640 --> 1:36:53.200
<v Speaker 2>hundred and twenty five dollars five like surcharge, fifty dollars

1:36:53.200 --> 1:36:56.759
<v Speaker 2>in DNA fee, and limited release meant just weekends in jail,

1:36:56.880 --> 1:36:58.880
<v Speaker 2>so basically he got to live five days a week

1:36:58.920 --> 1:37:02.320
<v Speaker 2>and then do weekend jail. Well, that is rapist as

1:37:02.360 --> 1:37:05.720
<v Speaker 2>a prolific serial rapist. So there's a photo of him

1:37:05.720 --> 1:37:09.080
<v Speaker 2>on the registry. It was updated March thirteenth, twenty twenty six,

1:37:09.560 --> 1:37:12.640
<v Speaker 2>so he is keeping up with his registry. He he

1:37:12.720 --> 1:37:17.960
<v Speaker 2>looks fucking creepy. He lives in Lecaster Less like in

1:37:18.040 --> 1:37:19.320
<v Speaker 2>England it would be Lesster Square.

1:37:19.320 --> 1:37:21.960
<v Speaker 4>I don't know is this so?

1:37:22.120 --> 1:37:24.960
<v Speaker 2>I actually don't know who cares. But if you want,

1:37:25.000 --> 1:37:26.559
<v Speaker 2>you can look him up. You can see his full

1:37:26.560 --> 1:37:30.880
<v Speaker 2>address and his employment and he's just like alive in

1:37:31.000 --> 1:37:36.040
<v Speaker 2>New York and on the registry. And fuck you California

1:37:36.320 --> 1:37:37.920
<v Speaker 2>or where was this? Never mind? I don't know why

1:37:37.920 --> 1:37:38.559
<v Speaker 2>I just said fuck you.

1:37:38.760 --> 1:37:41.040
<v Speaker 1>Well it was originally California that let him out, and

1:37:41.080 --> 1:37:42.960
<v Speaker 1>then it was then he went to New York.

1:37:43.360 --> 1:37:46.440
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so I don't understand.

1:37:46.680 --> 1:37:48.840
<v Speaker 2>I don't know why he didn't serve the full twenty

1:37:48.920 --> 1:37:51.519
<v Speaker 2>five Like how about at least a year for each

1:37:51.520 --> 1:37:52.320
<v Speaker 2>woman raped?

1:37:52.400 --> 1:37:54.960
<v Speaker 4>Like how about twenty three years? Like what are we

1:37:55.040 --> 1:37:55.559
<v Speaker 4>doing here?

1:37:56.080 --> 1:37:58.920
<v Speaker 2>I mean, what good behavior can a rapist do to

1:37:59.000 --> 1:38:02.760
<v Speaker 2>take away their rape? Good behaviors? For Like I was

1:38:02.800 --> 1:38:04.200
<v Speaker 2>sixteen and I did.

1:38:04.040 --> 1:38:06.800
<v Speaker 1>An armed robbery and then you don't just do that

1:38:07.240 --> 1:38:10.040
<v Speaker 1>like once a month for ten years and then stop

1:38:10.240 --> 1:38:12.320
<v Speaker 1>like because a judge told you too or whatever. So

1:38:12.360 --> 1:38:16.479
<v Speaker 1>the guy either has to be like chemically castrated or something, or.

1:38:16.560 --> 1:38:20.120
<v Speaker 2>But then he did fail probation or parole or whatever,

1:38:20.600 --> 1:38:23.839
<v Speaker 2>and they gave him millennium sentence again, Like why wouldn't

1:38:23.840 --> 1:38:25.960
<v Speaker 2>you give him four years? Why would it be just

1:38:26.040 --> 1:38:28.000
<v Speaker 2>weekend jail? My friend with a DUI had to do

1:38:28.080 --> 1:38:29.719
<v Speaker 2>weekend jail, Like that's crazy.

1:38:30.320 --> 1:38:33.840
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's fucked. That is really fucked.

1:38:33.880 --> 1:38:37.599
<v Speaker 1>And he's just alive and well in Lester Leicester like whatever,

1:38:37.680 --> 1:38:39.000
<v Speaker 1>New York fuck.

1:38:38.960 --> 1:38:42.559
<v Speaker 2>Crazy ever, it is crazy. It's like these crime, these

1:38:42.600 --> 1:38:45.559
<v Speaker 2>crimes never end. I just keep thinking about the guy

1:38:45.600 --> 1:38:47.439
<v Speaker 2>I argued with. I was just like you just think

1:38:47.479 --> 1:38:49.280
<v Speaker 2>about this stuff too much, you know, I just try

1:38:49.320 --> 1:38:52.320
<v Speaker 2>not to think about it, Like all right, well, it's

1:38:52.320 --> 1:38:56.320
<v Speaker 2>never ending so it's not even about thing. God, it's

1:38:56.320 --> 1:38:59.680
<v Speaker 2>so gorgeous outside. It's really a nice day out here too.

1:38:59.800 --> 1:39:04.120
<v Speaker 1>Okay, all right, let's rapes keep raping, the rapists keep

1:39:04.200 --> 1:39:06.400
<v Speaker 1>raping and getting barely any punishments.

1:39:06.479 --> 1:39:07.160
<v Speaker 4>Okay, And it's.

1:39:07.000 --> 1:39:09.760
<v Speaker 2>Called like the Devil's Garden prison camp, and it's like

1:39:09.840 --> 1:39:12.160
<v Speaker 2>firefighting training for minor offense.

1:39:12.479 --> 1:39:14.680
<v Speaker 1>Just why are you calling it that? I mean, just

1:39:14.800 --> 1:39:17.160
<v Speaker 1>call it something very It doesn't need a cute name.

1:39:18.479 --> 1:39:20.360
<v Speaker 1>All right, we don't have a guest today, so no,

1:39:20.640 --> 1:39:24.360
<v Speaker 1>the Devil's Garden is gonna be my drag queen name.

1:39:26.680 --> 1:39:29.639
<v Speaker 2>A little bit of a pothead too, you know, yeah,

1:39:29.680 --> 1:39:33.919
<v Speaker 2>the Devil's let us. Yeah yeah, and welcome to the stage,

1:39:34.000 --> 1:39:35.120
<v Speaker 2>the Devil's Garden.

1:39:39.520 --> 1:39:46.640
<v Speaker 1>All right, let's move on to our post mortem.

1:39:46.720 --> 1:39:49.280
<v Speaker 4>I mean, a tough episode.

1:39:49.320 --> 1:39:52.320
<v Speaker 1>It's tough when like someone when you see like someone

1:39:52.320 --> 1:39:54.439
<v Speaker 1>that's been through this trauma, like the character in the

1:39:54.479 --> 1:39:59.280
<v Speaker 1>show who just is misremembering because memory is such a

1:39:59.280 --> 1:39:59.960
<v Speaker 1>weird thing.

1:40:01.520 --> 1:40:03.920
<v Speaker 4>But it's also so weird.

1:40:03.640 --> 1:40:06.000
<v Speaker 1>That, Yeah, you always have to have an eyewitness or

1:40:06.040 --> 1:40:07.439
<v Speaker 1>it's he said, she said. But then if you have

1:40:07.439 --> 1:40:09.840
<v Speaker 1>an eyewitness, they're not reliable. Like there's just like kind

1:40:09.880 --> 1:40:13.240
<v Speaker 1>of no way to nail anyone unless you like have

1:40:13.280 --> 1:40:14.560
<v Speaker 1>a video and a confession.

1:40:14.960 --> 1:40:18.759
<v Speaker 4>So that's the justice system. It seems like, yeah.

1:40:18.600 --> 1:40:20.840
<v Speaker 2>But even if you have everything like they in the

1:40:20.840 --> 1:40:24.720
<v Speaker 2>True Crime he what serves maybe twelve years I know

1:40:25.000 --> 1:40:27.880
<v Speaker 2>for like so many rapes, admitting to the rapes, like

1:40:28.240 --> 1:40:29.439
<v Speaker 2>the church supporting him.

1:40:29.439 --> 1:40:33.160
<v Speaker 4>It's like it doesn't even matter if you have.

1:40:33.200 --> 1:40:37.880
<v Speaker 2>All the evidence, just like all the DNA footage everything.

1:40:38.000 --> 1:40:41.320
<v Speaker 2>It's like, I don't know, but you texted him the

1:40:41.320 --> 1:40:44.439
<v Speaker 2>next day. It's like they will find any reason to

1:40:44.560 --> 1:40:48.040
<v Speaker 2>excuse it. It's like it's crazy rape so much and

1:40:48.040 --> 1:40:49.599
<v Speaker 2>then one guy gets a thousand years.

1:40:49.640 --> 1:40:52.160
<v Speaker 4>It's like it's just up to whatever kooky judge is there.

1:40:53.200 --> 1:40:55.640
<v Speaker 4>It's just I don't know, I don't know.

1:40:56.040 --> 1:40:58.439
<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, I think also the difference between your

1:40:58.479 --> 1:41:01.679
<v Speaker 1>two guys here is that like in nineteen eighty two

1:41:02.000 --> 1:41:04.320
<v Speaker 1>or the eighties, when this guy was committing these crimes,

1:41:04.360 --> 1:41:06.920
<v Speaker 1>like DNA wasn't as bad, and now with the DNA,

1:41:07.080 --> 1:41:10.840
<v Speaker 1>I feel like it's DNA has forced these judges to

1:41:10.920 --> 1:41:14.240
<v Speaker 1>be like, oh, okay, you you actually you fucking did it,

1:41:14.280 --> 1:41:17.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, like and instead of okay, it might have

1:41:17.200 --> 1:41:18.759
<v Speaker 1>been consensual, like let's do five.

1:41:18.840 --> 1:41:21.560
<v Speaker 2>But he admitted it. Yeah's the thing. He admitted a

1:41:21.680 --> 1:41:26.120
<v Speaker 2>rapping up. I'm admitted, Like, yeah, he admitted it, and

1:41:26.120 --> 1:41:27.800
<v Speaker 2>they're like let him out, and then of course he

1:41:27.880 --> 1:41:30.519
<v Speaker 2>breaks probation and then they still let him out. Like

1:41:30.680 --> 1:41:35.400
<v Speaker 2>it just is really fucking annoying. And then the Belmont

1:41:35.439 --> 1:41:37.960
<v Speaker 2>Shore one. You know, it's like such an indicator that

1:41:38.240 --> 1:41:41.519
<v Speaker 2>like it's about power and like that the elderly are

1:41:41.960 --> 1:41:42.720
<v Speaker 2>victims so.

1:41:42.800 --> 1:41:43.519
<v Speaker 4>Often of this.

1:41:44.280 --> 1:41:46.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and we don't think about that because we think

1:41:46.880 --> 1:41:51.920
<v Speaker 2>about rape and such sexual terms. Because I'm thinking about

1:41:51.920 --> 1:41:54.800
<v Speaker 2>even the slut walk, Like I just feel like the

1:41:54.880 --> 1:41:59.040
<v Speaker 2>crime is so misunderstood and like, yeah, it's like about

1:41:59.400 --> 1:42:00.799
<v Speaker 2>it was just about power.

1:42:01.160 --> 1:42:04.400
<v Speaker 1>I mean, especially the guy in this episode, because he

1:42:04.600 --> 1:42:08.639
<v Speaker 1>starts doing this when he's like sixteen. You know, like

1:42:08.720 --> 1:42:13.840
<v Speaker 1>it's this some kind of mental break in him that

1:42:13.920 --> 1:42:16.439
<v Speaker 1>makes this violence towards women that he does his whole

1:42:16.479 --> 1:42:17.120
<v Speaker 1>fucking life.

1:42:18.240 --> 1:42:20.280
<v Speaker 4>But I don't know.

1:42:21.360 --> 1:42:26.080
<v Speaker 1>It's also so crazy that this guy in the show,

1:42:26.200 --> 1:42:28.640
<v Speaker 1>in the episode, that he commits these crimes and then

1:42:28.640 --> 1:42:30.879
<v Speaker 1>he pursues a career in the law, like he becomes

1:42:30.880 --> 1:42:34.479
<v Speaker 1>a district attorney, Like knowing that he does these that

1:42:34.560 --> 1:42:37.120
<v Speaker 1>he commits crimes against people all the time. Not like

1:42:37.240 --> 1:42:39.080
<v Speaker 1>it's not like I think every lawyer is taking like

1:42:39.120 --> 1:42:41.840
<v Speaker 1>an oath to do no harm, but like to become

1:42:41.840 --> 1:42:44.519
<v Speaker 1>an adya, like you're working for the state trying to

1:42:44.520 --> 1:42:47.840
<v Speaker 1>put away criminals when you have been a serial rapist

1:42:47.840 --> 1:42:48.559
<v Speaker 1>since you were fifteen.

1:42:48.600 --> 1:42:49.559
<v Speaker 4>It's just kind of a while.

1:42:49.760 --> 1:42:54.320
<v Speaker 1>Then personal then he becomes a personal injury lawyer, which

1:42:54.360 --> 1:43:00.240
<v Speaker 1>is that tracks for me too, Like he just it's

1:43:00.280 --> 1:43:02.320
<v Speaker 1>money and like more power, you know.

1:43:02.479 --> 1:43:04.680
<v Speaker 2>Because if it's more Yeah, if it's about power, then

1:43:05.200 --> 1:43:06.719
<v Speaker 2>then it makes sense for him to be an ada

1:43:06.800 --> 1:43:09.000
<v Speaker 2>and then he can control the stuff, he could steal

1:43:09.000 --> 1:43:10.920
<v Speaker 2>it in it, he can do whatever cover up for

1:43:10.920 --> 1:43:13.240
<v Speaker 2>his own crimes. Yeah, he could do everything.

1:43:13.720 --> 1:43:14.120
<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

1:43:15.120 --> 1:43:17.679
<v Speaker 2>Something related earlier in my brain to something you said,

1:43:17.680 --> 1:43:19.920
<v Speaker 2>but it actually has nothing to do with anything. But

1:43:20.120 --> 1:43:22.200
<v Speaker 2>I was watching this one video online and I don't

1:43:22.200 --> 1:43:24.680
<v Speaker 2>know who this woman is, but she was saying how

1:43:24.720 --> 1:43:27.000
<v Speaker 2>people shit on the Girl Boss era so much that

1:43:27.080 --> 1:43:29.960
<v Speaker 2>it's like seen as this big embarrassment, and she was

1:43:30.000 --> 1:43:32.880
<v Speaker 2>just saying she goes and I don't know this because

1:43:32.920 --> 1:43:35.240
<v Speaker 2>I was never in this type of corporate life, but

1:43:35.280 --> 1:43:37.439
<v Speaker 2>she goes, No, it actually changed a lot of things.

1:43:38.080 --> 1:43:40.080
<v Speaker 4>She goes. When I started in finance, it.

1:43:40.080 --> 1:43:42.439
<v Speaker 2>Was very like no one should know you're a woman

1:43:42.600 --> 1:43:45.719
<v Speaker 2>dressing brown, like do this, there's only one and she goes,

1:43:45.800 --> 1:43:48.200
<v Speaker 2>you know, like it is different in the corporate world.

1:43:48.240 --> 1:43:50.599
<v Speaker 2>Now you can like wear stuff and there's more women,

1:43:50.720 --> 1:43:54.559
<v Speaker 2>And I just I'm curious about that, Like, was it

1:43:54.640 --> 1:43:57.920
<v Speaker 2>this humiliating thing and we can't have it all in

1:43:58.040 --> 1:44:03.719
<v Speaker 2>millennial cringe girl boss y or was it an actual

1:44:03.800 --> 1:44:07.040
<v Speaker 2>thing that's being diminished that did change people's lives And

1:44:07.120 --> 1:44:10.760
<v Speaker 2>maybe not as much, but like maybe me shoo did,

1:44:11.000 --> 1:44:14.160
<v Speaker 2>but things do did change. I don't know, it was

1:44:14.200 --> 1:44:19.719
<v Speaker 2>just something that pequed my curiosity. This Yeah, no, that's interesting.

1:44:19.760 --> 1:44:22.920
<v Speaker 1>I guess the girl boss era was like twenty fourteen

1:44:23.040 --> 1:44:27.880
<v Speaker 1>to nineteen, okay, and that people are talking about also

1:44:28.160 --> 1:44:31.080
<v Speaker 1>like these things kind of it's like the women can

1:44:31.120 --> 1:44:33.439
<v Speaker 1>have it All era of the eighties, Like these things

1:44:33.479 --> 1:44:37.879
<v Speaker 1>can like repeat themselves and even though maybe we've decided

1:44:37.960 --> 1:44:39.880
<v Speaker 1>with maybe people have decided women can't have it all,

1:44:39.880 --> 1:44:43.240
<v Speaker 1>maybe that like whole thing crumbled, but like it keeps

1:44:43.280 --> 1:44:45.559
<v Speaker 1>coming back and good things do come out. Well, it's

1:44:45.600 --> 1:44:50.479
<v Speaker 1>structurally made not to work, you know it structurally made

1:44:50.560 --> 1:44:52.639
<v Speaker 1>to fuck up your life.

1:44:52.920 --> 1:44:57.080
<v Speaker 2>But it must have done something. I just never worked

1:44:57.120 --> 1:45:00.080
<v Speaker 2>in the corporate world. But I do feel like you

1:45:00.000 --> 1:45:02.080
<v Speaker 2>you can dress different now, like you don't have to

1:45:02.439 --> 1:45:06.120
<v Speaker 2>heel like there is something going on. I think there's

1:45:06.160 --> 1:45:08.200
<v Speaker 2>a little more protections. I think men might be a

1:45:08.280 --> 1:45:10.240
<v Speaker 2>little more scared to hug or touch.

1:45:10.360 --> 1:45:14.439
<v Speaker 4>But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm wrong.

1:45:14.760 --> 1:45:19.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure. Also, thank you to whoever got me

1:45:19.720 --> 1:45:23.000
<v Speaker 2>my heated rivalry lighter. I have been using it, so thanks.

1:45:24.439 --> 1:45:27.080
<v Speaker 2>And also shout out to the listener I ran into

1:45:27.280 --> 1:45:28.920
<v Speaker 2>at soul Cycle Fun.

1:45:31.560 --> 1:45:33.280
<v Speaker 4>Oh my god, actually huge news.

1:45:33.400 --> 1:45:37.800
<v Speaker 2>So Hudson Williams, like a few months ago was seen

1:45:38.120 --> 1:45:41.040
<v Speaker 2>maybe it wasn't like time is not real anymore, but

1:45:41.080 --> 1:45:43.000
<v Speaker 2>he was seen in this fun outfit with this bag,

1:45:43.040 --> 1:45:45.120
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, I want it. I want this look.

1:45:45.120 --> 1:45:46.559
<v Speaker 2>So I sent it to my stylist. I was like,

1:45:46.600 --> 1:45:48.920
<v Speaker 2>this is the this is the inspo for the summer.

1:45:49.360 --> 1:45:51.600
<v Speaker 2>So I'm working on getting that together. Can't find the

1:45:51.600 --> 1:45:54.519
<v Speaker 2>shorts yet, but this I'm not buying a Balenciaga bag.

1:45:54.560 --> 1:45:56.360
<v Speaker 2>So I did find a fake on DHG, but like

1:45:56.400 --> 1:45:59.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm not good with technology errors, like it

1:46:00.080 --> 1:46:03.080
<v Speaker 2>stressed me out. A girl walks into Soul Cycle and

1:46:03.120 --> 1:46:05.839
<v Speaker 2>I go, is that the Balanciaga I truly was Giselle

1:46:05.840 --> 1:46:06.799
<v Speaker 2>and Devilwar's product.

1:46:06.920 --> 1:46:09.240
<v Speaker 4>Like I was just like, is that the Balanciaga bag?

1:46:09.479 --> 1:46:11.519
<v Speaker 2>And she goes, yeah, it's a fake And she ordered

1:46:11.520 --> 1:46:14.360
<v Speaker 2>me one from China and I've venmoed her and I'm

1:46:14.360 --> 1:46:16.240
<v Speaker 2>gonna have this bag and I think it's gonna change

1:46:16.280 --> 1:46:16.799
<v Speaker 2>my life.

1:46:16.880 --> 1:46:18.960
<v Speaker 4>Oh my god, I'm gonna cycle.

1:46:19.040 --> 1:46:21.320
<v Speaker 1>You guys all look out for each other, like truly,

1:46:22.040 --> 1:46:26.320
<v Speaker 1>what the hell.

1:46:24.520 --> 1:46:25.200
<v Speaker 4>That's so good?

1:46:25.240 --> 1:46:27.519
<v Speaker 1>Because like I'm just saying, like I worry about you

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<v Speaker 1>ordering from the wrong Chinese site and something going bad

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<v Speaker 1>and you being like, well they took my credit card number,

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<v Speaker 1>and now like you know so for sure? Yeah no,

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<v Speaker 1>She's like I got a girl, but it's this gorgeous

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<v Speaker 1>like bigger bad. It's gonna open, it's gonna fit my books,

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<v Speaker 1>it's gonna look so good, like I can't wait. Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>You're just like you have to actually like yeah, this

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<v Speaker 1>is functional, like not like wearable tech, but like this

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<v Speaker 1>has to accommodate your new lifestyle. You have to have

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<v Speaker 1>like fast, It's like carrying the books.

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<v Speaker 2>It's actually and everyone keeps writing to me like I

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<v Speaker 2>don't I've never heard of the Kindle invention, like we

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<v Speaker 2>don't like you know what I mean, Cause I did

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<v Speaker 2>make a video. I go, fuck, like I wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>wear a cuter purse today, but I can't because I

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<v Speaker 2>have to carry this book around and people are like Kindle, Kindle,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's like no, my purses are tinier than I want,

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<v Speaker 2>Like fuck, I know what I don't want that.

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<v Speaker 4>I want the book, yeah, the.

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<v Speaker 1>Book, yeah, yeah, And I think even like a little

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<v Speaker 1>tell far is not going to fit a kindle so exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>So I had to like bring out my Mark Jacob's

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<v Speaker 4>bag out. But this new one's going to really flip

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<v Speaker 4>the script.

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<v Speaker 2>I like the way you reacted about the soul cyculture,

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<v Speaker 2>like that's so perfect, Like I was, I see it

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<v Speaker 2>all in my head, you being like what and her

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<v Speaker 2>being like stop and like taking out her phone and

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<v Speaker 2>like ordering it for you right there, Like I love it,

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<v Speaker 2>even if that's not how it happened. Don't tell me that, no,

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<v Speaker 2>And then I sent her the photo of Hudson with

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<v Speaker 2>the bag and she goes, why do you think I.

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<v Speaker 4>Bought the bag. I go, no, for sure, for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course you're meeting your people because these are the

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<v Speaker 1>same people that go.

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<v Speaker 4>To the heater rivalry rides. I would ASSU.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean we're right now, we're in a we're

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<v Speaker 2>in a different word. Yes, I hope to get more.

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<v Speaker 2>Not everyone is mentally unwell like me.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, but plenty are plenty are Okay, let's get

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<v Speaker 1>going to our what would su your peg do? This

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<v Speaker 1>is and rape is bad? Yeah? Yeah, I mean that's

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<v Speaker 1>and I guess you in in this episode, right.

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<v Speaker 2>But we didn't even talk about the sixty two million.

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<v Speaker 4>Hits on the rape website oh my, which isn't even news.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like that came out a few months ago

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<v Speaker 2>to like like there was a different website, Like are

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<v Speaker 2>we just two in the know? Like I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>this is I mean, I'm glad people are like reacting

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<v Speaker 2>I guess attention to it.

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<v Speaker 4>But yeah, that was when I saw that. I was like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>didn't we know that?

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<v Speaker 1>But then different people that are like outside of just

1:48:47.000 --> 1:48:50.599
<v Speaker 1>my normal fred, like friends that are hyper feminists were

1:48:50.600 --> 1:48:53.000
<v Speaker 1>sharing it and I was like, Okay, the word is out.

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<v Speaker 4>The word is out that the men are bad. On

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<v Speaker 4>the internet.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you also see the thing where Giselle Pelico was

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<v Speaker 1>like doing an interview in The Little Boy, So why

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<v Speaker 1>did you keep your last name?

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<v Speaker 4>I did, but I didn't watch it. Oh it was

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<v Speaker 4>just really cute.

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<v Speaker 1>So she just was like I did it for my

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<v Speaker 1>children and my grandchildren, and like this case is like

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<v Speaker 1>well known and I want people to know like what happened,

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<v Speaker 1>Like you know, She's just so like like inspiring honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>but like the Little Boy was like there and I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, I'm glad that at least one little boy

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<v Speaker 1>is in the room and kind of has some like

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<v Speaker 1>context of like what this woman went through, hopefully not

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<v Speaker 1>all the details, but like you know, and asked for

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<v Speaker 1>this question and she like responded to him. It was

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<v Speaker 1>so cute in French, of course, which I know we

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<v Speaker 1>had some French in this episode and it wasn't your favorite.

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<v Speaker 4>But okay, let's get to what would ineter peg do.

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<v Speaker 1>This is our weekly segment where we direct you to

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<v Speaker 1>a book, an article, an organization something to give you

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<v Speaker 1>more info about what we talked about in today's episode.

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<v Speaker 1>And this week I wanted to point you guys to

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<v Speaker 1>this segment from the Ted Radio hour episode How does

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<v Speaker 1>Your Brain Perceive the World, And the segment is called

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<v Speaker 1>We're Told eyewitness testimony isn't really, but new science says

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<v Speaker 1>it might be. And it's a lecture given by a

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<v Speaker 1>psychology professor named John Wixted who says that throughout the

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<v Speaker 1>course of a criminal investigation and an eyewitnesses memory can

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<v Speaker 1>be influenced and altered, but under the right conditions that

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<v Speaker 1>testimony can be reliable. And the talk goes on to

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<v Speaker 1>explore how memory gets contaminated over time with different ideas

1:50:19.800 --> 1:50:23.799
<v Speaker 1>and influences being introduced, but an uncontaminated, fresh eyewitness statement

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<v Speaker 1>can still be very accurate. So if you want to

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<v Speaker 1>listen to the talk, head over to MPR dot org.

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<v Speaker 2>And next week we will be doing Mia Kulpa and

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<v Speaker 2>that's going to be season twenty, episode nine, and I'll

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<v Speaker 2>say the crime can't wait.

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