1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: Do you know another parent or expecting parent. Are you 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: wondering what can I give them as a gift. Don't 3 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: give them another onesie, don't give them a plastic toy 4 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: or god forbid, a toy gun that's just gonna end 5 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 1: up in the garage. Give them something that matters, and 6 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: what matters the most is protecting their child. What do 7 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 1: you love most in the world your children? What will 8 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:27,479 Speaker 1: you do to protect them anything. I sat down with 9 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: the smartest people I know in the world on matters 10 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: of child's safety, finding missing children, fighting back against predators, 11 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: and what I learned is so important, powerful and information 12 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: so critical. I want you to have it. I want 13 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:46,480 Speaker 1: them to have it. Go to crime stops here dot 14 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:50,919 Speaker 1: com for a five part series with action information that 15 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: you can use to change your life and protect your child. 16 00:00:55,080 --> 00:01:00,280 Speaker 1: Payments starting six. Give that as a gift, not another 17 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: one ZI. Find out how to protect your child when 18 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 1: you're out of the mall or the store, the grocery 19 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: and the parking lot at home. Find out about protection 20 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 1: regarding babysitters, in daycare, even online. I'd rather have that 21 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: any day of the week than a plastic toy our 22 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: God forbid a toy gun. Join Justice Nation, go to 23 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: crime stops here dot com. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 24 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: Police in schoogl County are searching fourteen missing since September. 25 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:44,320 Speaker 1: Fifteen year old Annie noel Angst was last seen at 26 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: her home in Pine Grove Township. Anyone with information on 27 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: her whereabouts is asked to contact police. I Nancy Grace, 28 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: this is crime Stories, Please help us find a missing 29 00:01:55,320 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: girl Annie noel Angst. Joining me right now is Larry Mayheer, 30 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 1: Crime online dot com investigative reporter. We're talking about Annie 31 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 1: noel Angst lasting at her residents there on the three 32 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: block of Birds Hill Road in Pine Grove Township, Pennsylvania, 33 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: at seven fifteen a m. How does the kid go 34 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:23,239 Speaker 1: missing at seven fifteen a m. In the morning. She's 35 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 1: absolutely gorgeous, absolutely gorgeous, long brown hair, big brown eyes, 36 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 1: and in every picture she's smiling. Where is any Nicole, 37 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:38,360 Speaker 1: Larry Mayheer tell me what we know. What we know 38 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: is her family notified police on a Monday morning that 39 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 1: they had flash seen her at their home at seven 40 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: fifteen a m. That Monday morning. They called police less 41 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 1: than thirty minutes after that to report her missing. Now, 42 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 1: This is all taking place in Schokola County, which is 43 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 1: west of Allentown, Pennsylvania, which is northwest of the Philadelphia 44 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:10,119 Speaker 1: metropolitan area, so it's in a fairly rural part of Pennsylvania. 45 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:13,799 Speaker 1: But I didn't understand is that I haven't heard a 46 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: word about it too, as she will cut, I just 47 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 1: happened to find out about this case while I was researching, 48 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 1: as she will cut joining me Atlanta juvenile judge, lawyer 49 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: and founder of child crime watch dot com. I haven't 50 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 1: heard a word about any Noel missing until I happened 51 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: to find it and do it right now on our program. 52 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: I know there's not a lot of information. There wasn't 53 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: a lot of press so to speak, on this particular case. 54 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 1: And I hate to say it, Nancy, but boy, at 55 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: that age, I always go to the the horrible prospect 56 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 1: of sex trafficking. That she meets somebody online, that she 57 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: meets somebody on social media that she thought was safe, 58 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 1: that she thought was appropriate, that wasn't. So I'm sure 59 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: and hope that law enforcements exploring all avenues, but with 60 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: to get the word out nationwide to look for this 61 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 1: young lady. You can see any Noel's photo and everything 62 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: about her at crime online dot Com. She's last seen 63 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: near her home there at Birds Hill Road in Pine 64 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:21,720 Speaker 1: Grove Township, Pennsylvania, and this was at seven fifteen a m. 65 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: She's a gorgeous little girl, has just turned fifteen. She 66 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 1: is beautiful with hair brown and wavy, big brown eyes. 67 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: Nobody can tell me what she was wearing when she 68 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,479 Speaker 1: was last seen or what she was doing when she 69 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: was last seen. That concerns me. We don't know what 70 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 1: motive transportation took her away. We know she has no 71 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: history of running away, no history at all of running away. 72 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 1: The critical time and her search has come and gone. 73 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 1: We all know, Karen Stark, that typically a stranger to 74 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: stranger a child is killed within the first two hours 75 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: of abduction, certainly within the first thirty six to seventy 76 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: two hours. Okay, we know that. So as each minute passes, 77 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: it gets more and more bleak. The outcome, the likelihood 78 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:28,039 Speaker 1: that she will be discovered alive, gets less, gets slimmer 79 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: and slimmer. Karen, why is that? Why did child kidnap 80 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: victims only survive such a short time and stranger to 81 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 1: stranger kidnaps because as soon as the person abducts them, Nancy, 82 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:42,720 Speaker 1: and has their way with them, rapes them, you know, 83 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 1: sexually uses them. Then they kill them because they don't 84 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:49,719 Speaker 1: want to be identified. They have no use for them anymore, 85 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 1: and they know that there's a chance that they could 86 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: absolutely describe them to someone, and that's what happens. We're 87 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: talking about a beautiful young girl, wavy brown, dark brown hair, 88 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: big brown eyes, a beautiful smile. Her name is Annie Noel. 89 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 1: She's only five three and she only weighs a hundred pounds. 90 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 1: She's very thin, and a lot of her photos I'm 91 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: looking at she's pictured in a little Jane jacket, which 92 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: is Ashley Will caught the big the big thing. You 93 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: gotta have a Jane jacket, right, And she's pictured and 94 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: many of her photos in a little Jeane jacket. What 95 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:32,280 Speaker 1: do you think about this, Ashley? You know, it reminds 96 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: us Nancy of her age, even though she's fifteen and 97 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 1: she's gorgeous, she's a child. She easily could be a victim. 98 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 1: She could be on the street, she could have been abducted. 99 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:45,159 Speaker 1: We don't know what's happened to her, but you see 100 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: that little Jeane jacket, and that's what my eleven year 101 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: old wants right now, right, and so that's here. She is, 102 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 1: this little girl, really, even though she looks like a 103 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:56,559 Speaker 1: beautiful young lady, she's a little girl that someone knows 104 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: something and needs to speak up. I'm getting a little 105 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 1: more information any Noel angst from birds Hill Road, Pine 106 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:08,840 Speaker 1: Grove Township, Last Saint seven fifteen a m on a 107 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: Monday morning inside her home by a relative. Don't know 108 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 1: if it was mom or dad or someone else living 109 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: in the home. Like in our home, my mother lives 110 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: with us. So to Larry Mayheer are joining US Crime 111 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: online dot Com investigative reporter, what more can you tell 112 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 1: me about the disappearance? And I also don't understand why 113 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 1: this has not been taken nationwide and its searched to 114 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 1: help find her. That is an interesting question. The Pennsylvania 115 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: State Police who are handling this case just renewed their 116 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: call for help from the public within the last couple 117 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: of days because they were renewing their effort to find 118 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: leads to get to her. Um, we can only speculate 119 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 1: why they haven't said more. I don't know why they 120 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: haven't said more. Um And as far as the circumstances 121 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: under which she disappeared, they're pretty cloudy at this point. 122 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: As you stated, she was last seen by a member 123 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 1: of her own family in their home, and then she 124 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 1: disappeared from the home and it was reported less than 125 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 1: thirty minutes later that she was missing. That's extremely odd, 126 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 1: right there, Um the tip line five seven zero seven 127 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:34,679 Speaker 1: Fred repeat five seven zero seven, five hundred, Alan Deep 128 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 1: joining me from l A. Allen. Do I have to 129 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: state the obvious or is it not being covered nationwide 130 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 1: because she's Hispanic? I don't know. I hope that's a 131 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: blue eyed blonde like John Benett. I mean, I don't 132 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 1: understand why this little girl is less important than other 133 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: children that go missing. I don't understand that, but I 134 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: know this, This child must be brought home. We've got 135 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: to find this child. Alan, Have you looked at her picture? Yes? 136 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 1: I have. She's very beautiful and there are some postings 137 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 1: on Facebook about her. There's a some of the missing 138 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: children search sights are are publicizing this, but it's surprising 139 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 1: to me how little there is. And that's why I 140 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: think it's really important that we get the word out there. 141 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:29,559 Speaker 1: Guys were talking about Annie Nicole Angst missing. She's now 142 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 1: missing for weeks. Five ft three inches tall, just a 143 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 1: hundred pounds, wavy brown hair, big beautiful brown eyes. Won't 144 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: you help us the tip line five seven zero seven 145 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 1: five Fred. Please go to crime online dot com. Look 146 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 1: at Annie's picture. Have you seen Annie? Nicole? Do you 147 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 1: know another parent or expecting parent? Are you wondering? What 148 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 1: can I give them as a gift. Don't give them 149 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 1: another onesie. Don't give them a plastic toy or god forbid, 150 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 1: a toy gun that's just gonna end up in the garage. 151 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: Give them something that matters, and what matters the most 152 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: is protecting their child. What do you love most in 153 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: the world? Your children? What will you do to protect 154 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:23,079 Speaker 1: them anything? I sat down with these smartest people I 155 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 1: know in the world on matters of child's safety, finding 156 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 1: missing children, fighting back against predators, and what I learned 157 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 1: is so important, powerful and information so critical. I want 158 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: you to have it. I want them to have it. 159 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 1: Go to crime stops here dot com for a five 160 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: part series with action information that you can use to 161 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 1: change your life and protect your child. Payments starting six. 162 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: Give that as a gift, not another one esie. Find 163 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: out how to protect your child when you're out of 164 00:10:57,960 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: the mall or the store or the grocery, in the 165 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:03,319 Speaker 1: part working lot at home. Find out about protection regarding 166 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: babysitters in daycare even online. I'd rather have that any 167 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:12,560 Speaker 1: day of the week than a plastic toy. Our God 168 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: forbid a toy gun. Join Justice Nation, go to crime 169 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: stops here dot com. Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Pizza cutter, scissors, 170 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 1: These are some of the weapons in eleven and twelve 171 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 1: year old brought to Bartow Middle School on Tuesday to 172 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 1: allegedly kill classmates. They wanted to kill at least fifteen people, 173 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: and we're waiting in the bathroom for the opportunity to 174 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 1: find smaller kids that they could overpower to be their victims. 175 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 1: Extra officers were already on campus after another student reported 176 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 1: concerns on Monday, but police tell us the plot was 177 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 1: foiled only after the girl's mother called in when a 178 00:11:57,080 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: robot call said she skipped school. This is terrific and 179 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 1: if my head children in school, I'd be scared slapped dead. 180 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 1: Officers found them in the bathroom with a goblet on 181 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 1: hand to reportedly drink their victims blood. I mean, how 182 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 1: can these have been you know, we are afraid, and 183 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: she's afraid. I kind of feel like maybe it might 184 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: be a good idea just for some of these schools 185 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 1: to maybe even put in metal detectors. Messages appear to 186 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 1: show the girls plan the murders and even to kill 187 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: themselves when it was done. I'm going to call them 188 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 1: small children. They're only eleven and twelve. Um seriously set 189 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 1: down implotted um to do serious polly harm to another 190 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: student at school. I can hardly take it in. Two 191 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: little girls ages eleven and twelve bring knives in a 192 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 1: pizza cutter to school, planning to kill at least fifteen 193 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 1: classmates and then drink their blood. What this isn't made up? 194 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: It's real. I mean, I see grace, this described stories. 195 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. It's it's almost more 196 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:01,680 Speaker 1: than I can take in. The girls attended bar Toow 197 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:05,319 Speaker 1: Middle School in bar Toow, Florida. It's not a high 198 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 1: crime area at all. Bartow Police Department announced arrests of 199 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:13,839 Speaker 1: these two girls. Now what do you do with them? 200 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 1: Trying as adults as juveniles? But before I can even 201 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 1: get to that, I've got to hear the facts. Two 202 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 1: girls eleven and twelve bring knives and pizza cutters to 203 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: school with a plan to kill at least fifteen classmates 204 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: and in drink their blood. And oh yes, they brought 205 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: along a goblet, a ritualistic goblet to pour the blood 206 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 1: into in order to drink it. Okay, before I could 207 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:45,079 Speaker 1: even analyze this, let me get all the facts straight 208 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 1: out to syndicated talk show host Dave mac What the 209 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 1: hey is going on at Bartow Middle School? Nancy and 210 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 1: eleven and twelve year old girls did a sleepover over 211 00:13:56,679 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 1: a weekend where they did a marathon movie session of 212 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 1: watching scary movies, horror flecks, slash your flakes, whatever you 213 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: want to call it. And during the course of this 214 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 1: weekend they concocted a game plan. Now they both claim 215 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 1: that they are worshippers of Satan and okay, wait, wait, 216 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 1: wait right, just right there, two little girls claim they're 217 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 1: worshipers off Satan. Hold wait, just stop right there. I'm 218 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: drinking for the fire hydright here. It's too much at once. 219 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 1: I can't take it all in. Ashley Wilcott is with me, 220 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: longtime friend and Atlanta juvenile judge, lawyer, founder child crime 221 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: watch dot Com. Ashley hold On just a moment. Devil worshiping? What? Okay, wait, 222 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 1: wait wait the other day, Miss Lucy, my little quiet angel, 223 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 1: she says, I don't when I go to Sunday's school, 224 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 1: And I'm like, you, what, I don't want to Sunday school. 225 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 1: I'm like, really, well, I don't want to cook dinner, 226 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 1: or lay your clothes out, or wash your clothes either, 227 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 1: or clean your guinea pig cage. But I do it. Now, 228 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 1: put on those Sunday clothes I've got for you hanging 229 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: your bathroom, and start marching. Young lady, how does somebody 230 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: eleven years old decide they're a devil worshiper? I know, 231 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 1: isn't this weird? It's the weirdest thing to me? And 232 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 1: so here's the thing. You know, it's one thing for 233 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 1: kids to watch scary movies, but then to assimilate and 234 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 1: put it into devil worshiping. I am flabbergasted. I have 235 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 1: no idea how they come up with that at that age. 236 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 1: And one thing is, perhaps, mayhap some eleven year old 237 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 1: should not be watching those scary, scary movies. Do you 238 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 1: let your two kids watch those? I'm guessing not totally. Yeah, 239 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: we watch them, But let me define wait a minute, 240 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 1: Wait a minute before I tell you what we watch. 241 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 1: We watch, of course, Murdoch Mysteries out of Canada. I 242 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 1: watch it with them. If there's anything that I believe 243 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 1: is going to be violent, which there really isn't. It's 244 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 1: kind of glossed over like murder. She wrote, you know 245 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: where there's a murder, but you don't ever see a 246 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 1: body or any blood. It's kind of like a who 247 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 1: done it? Um, of course they watch Hallmark Kelly Dean 248 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 1: Murders the Mysteries, right, okay, because I wrote it. But 249 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: as far as scary, violent anything, no, wait, Ashley, what 250 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: are we doing talking about child psychology? I've got Karen 251 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: start with me, New York psychologist Karen. How does it 252 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 1: go from watching a scary movie? And yes, I hear 253 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 1: all your disdain from letting them watch her air Cule Poirot. Okay, 254 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 1: I hear your silent judging. But there's nothing, uh, nothing 255 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: like American Psycho or slender Man or seriously scary things. 256 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 1: Um now I'm all worried because I was going to 257 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: let them go this weekend to see, um, what is 258 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 1: it goose Bumps? The new movie goose Bumps? So is 259 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 1: that wrong? Karen Star, is goose bumps wrong? No, Nancy, 260 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 1: you can certainly let them go seek goose bumps. If 261 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 1: you think about this situation, it's a whole weekend watching 262 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: slash or horror movies. Where are the parents? And what 263 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 1: would you say? Slash er? What do you mean by that? 264 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 1: Because I've actually never watched a slasher movie. I will 265 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: tell you this, Karen. I think I told you this 266 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 1: a way back at court TV days when I was little, 267 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: maybe three or four, someone who left the TV on 268 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 1: at night and I walked in there during the shower 269 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:37,920 Speaker 1: scene of Psycho Norman Bates. Do you know to this 270 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 1: day I prefer a bath over a shower, And the 271 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:44,440 Speaker 1: whole time I was growing up, always take a bath 272 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 1: because of that happening when I was about four years old. 273 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:51,639 Speaker 1: It makes a huge impact on you, Karen. You're not 274 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 1: You're not alone. You know how many people were affected 275 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 1: by Psycho. It's why the movie is considered a classic. 276 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:01,959 Speaker 1: It really got you, and that's what its Lasher movie is. 277 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 1: It's a kind of movie where it raises suspense and 278 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 1: you see a lot of blood and gore and things 279 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:12,879 Speaker 1: that children really shouldn't be exposed to. It's okay to 280 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:17,640 Speaker 1: see goose bumps and fairy tales and and stories where 281 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:21,679 Speaker 1: there are outcomes that are not wonderful and perfect, But 282 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:26,719 Speaker 1: to see horror. That's not anything that in at that age. 283 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 1: That's adolescent. It's preteen. They're not capable of really taking 284 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 1: in movie, especially a whole weekend full of movies. I 285 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 1: think it's very telling that the parents weren't there. They're impressionable. 286 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:45,400 Speaker 1: If one of them gets the idea, remember this is preteen, 287 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 1: they follow each other. They're impressionable. They also have wonderful imaginations. 288 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 1: And whatever happened, I really feel like they became embroyaled 289 00:18:55,840 --> 00:19:00,919 Speaker 1: in this whole fantasy of horrific killing. They were talking 290 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 1: about killing themselves, which tells me that they really don't 291 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:06,959 Speaker 1: understand what they're doing. Well, wait a minute, hold on 292 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:09,439 Speaker 1: right there, Karen, I agree with you. They may not 293 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:12,679 Speaker 1: understand what they're doing in the full implications. But we 294 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 1: saw in the Slenderman case of Vincent Hill, where two 295 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 1: girls were enamored with the fake character Slenderman. They thought 296 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 1: they had to kill someone in order to go live 297 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 1: with him and his mansion in the woods, whatever, and 298 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:29,440 Speaker 1: they actually attacked a little girl and stabbed her multiple 299 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 1: times trying to go live with slender Man. So Vincent Hill, 300 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:37,159 Speaker 1: they may not really understand fully the consequences of their acts, 301 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: but the kid can still end up dead, all right. 302 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 1: I mean, whether you fully understand it or not. And 303 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,359 Speaker 1: one thing, Vincent is you and I have seen it. 304 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:51,439 Speaker 1: You as a cop turned p I now author of 305 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:55,159 Speaker 1: Playbook to a Murder and the creator of podcast Fall 306 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 1: of a Titan. Vincent Um, you and I have seen 307 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:03,880 Speaker 1: children the grow up in crime families where the parents 308 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 1: go in and out of jail and they sell dope 309 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:10,399 Speaker 1: in the home, they have guns. Those children grow up 310 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:14,440 Speaker 1: thinking that is normal, and they do it, and they 311 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:16,680 Speaker 1: think jail is just part of life. They don't think 312 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 1: anything about it. Same thing here, if you let your 313 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 1: children watch slicer movies, well, what do you think is 314 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 1: going to happen? Yeah, Nancy, I'd be real curious to 315 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 1: find out what's going on in that home. I mean, 316 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 1: there are what ten and eleven years old and they're 317 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 1: watching these types of movies. My son is seventeen and 318 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 1: I still screen the movies he watches. He knows right 319 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 1: from wrong. And you can argue maybe in an eleven 320 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:42,120 Speaker 1: year old may or may not know right from wrong, 321 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,680 Speaker 1: but I really questioned what's going on in that home 322 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 1: to even allow such a young child to even watch 323 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: stuff like this Nan Yesterday it approximately one pm. The 324 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 1: bar to the police department. School resource officer Gooseman responded 325 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 1: to the Principles opposite Barto the middle School. He was 326 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:05,439 Speaker 1: summoned there by the principal, Chris Robertson. The investigation revealed 327 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: the following On October, a teacher at Bartow High School 328 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:19,120 Speaker 1: received information that Caitlin Persenger, eleven years of age, told 329 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:22,719 Speaker 1: another student not to come to Building five hundred at 330 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 1: the middle school. Something bab is gonna happen. In one message, 331 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: Western Guard advice per Singer, we will leave body parts 332 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 1: at the entrance and then we will kill ourselves end quote. 333 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 1: Per Singer and Hard we're both arrested and charged with 334 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:42,679 Speaker 1: conspiracy to commit murder, possession of a weapon on school property, 335 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 1: carried and concealed weapon, and disruption of the school functions. 336 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 1: During our investigation, detectives conducted the search of the juveniles 337 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:54,879 Speaker 1: homes and during the search of Western Guard's residents, detectives 338 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 1: located in material containing a hand drawn map of Bartoo 339 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 1: middles School, which included notation r V notation go to 340 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,879 Speaker 1: kill in bathroom. A search of the juvenile cell phones 341 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 1: revealed conversations regarding the same plot on social media. During 342 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: the last conversation, which occurred on the same days that 343 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 1: we were talking about, Westergard message and I quote today 344 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 1: is helped lessons, Thanks Satan, we are doing this in 345 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:30,359 Speaker 1: a bit. Quote Okay, you're hearing Bartow Police Chief Joe 346 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:34,879 Speaker 1: Hall describing what they had learned the evidence in this case. 347 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 1: And eleven and twelve year old little girl. Two little 348 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:42,679 Speaker 1: girls bring nice and pizza cutters to school with a 349 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 1: plan to kill at least fifteen of their friends before 350 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 1: drinking the friends blood and then killing themselves as part 351 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:57,920 Speaker 1: of a Satanic ritual. And they write a message stating quote, 352 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:02,199 Speaker 1: thanks Satan, we're doing this sent a bit. How do 353 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,399 Speaker 1: an eleven and twelve year old girl talk about leaving 354 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 1: body parts at the front door? Joining me right now. 355 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 1: In addition to Vincent Hill, cop turned p I and 356 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:17,879 Speaker 1: author as she Willcott, judge lawyer, founder of child crimewatch 357 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,640 Speaker 1: dot com, Kieren Start, New York psychologist Alan Duke, of course, 358 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 1: joining me from l A Dave Matt with me, syndicated 359 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:29,640 Speaker 1: talk show host, how did the cops find all this evidence? 360 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:31,919 Speaker 1: And if you don't mind, because you just start at 361 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:33,880 Speaker 1: the beginning again, I'm trying to write my mind around 362 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: two little girls trying to murder their classmates at school. Okay, 363 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,120 Speaker 1: the eleven year old and twelve year old girls spent 364 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,880 Speaker 1: the weekend together watching slasher horror films. During the course 365 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:46,719 Speaker 1: of this weekend, they concocted a game plan. Because again 366 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: I go back to them claiming to be worshippers of Satan. 367 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:53,920 Speaker 1: And as one of the girls got a mom got 368 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 1: a robo call because the girl didn't show up for 369 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,120 Speaker 1: her second period class, calls the school and says, hey, 370 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 1: she's at today. That's when they started trying to find her. 371 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: They went looking around the school and they found the 372 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 1: girls in the bathroom with the knives. And by the way, 373 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:13,120 Speaker 1: they actually researched the best type of knife to use 374 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 1: that would get the most blood out of a body. 375 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,680 Speaker 1: They had a goblet where they were going to pour 376 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 1: the blood into the goblet and then drink it after 377 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,159 Speaker 1: they killed they were and by the way, while they 378 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 1: were in that bathroom, they were looking for smaller children 379 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 1: that they could actually man handle so that they could 380 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,679 Speaker 1: kill them. They were then going to slice them up, 381 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,400 Speaker 1: cut them up. At one point there was a notation 382 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 1: that they wanted to leave body parts at the front 383 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,399 Speaker 1: of the school. But the girls noted in one of 384 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 1: the notes between the two of them that they needed 385 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 1: to be evil enough and kill enough kids so that 386 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 1: then when they committed suicide, they could spend eternity in 387 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: hell with Satan. That was their end game to Karen 388 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:57,879 Speaker 1: start I on that, But that just tells me, Natcy, 389 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 1: that they really did not understand what they we're watching 390 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:04,199 Speaker 1: and that it was exciting to them. They had this 391 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 1: idea that it would be wonderful to be Inhale with Satan, 392 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 1: and that killing the younger students was perfectly all right. 393 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 1: And I'm going to say this again because it's very 394 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 1: shocking to me. Where were the parents? How could they 395 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:23,160 Speaker 1: have been writing on social media watching a weekend full 396 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 1: of slasher films and no parent was aware of the 397 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:30,159 Speaker 1: fact that this was going on. There are eleven and 398 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:33,680 Speaker 1: ten years old. Someone should have known what was happening. 399 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,640 Speaker 1: You know, I'm listening to all of this as it 400 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 1: pours in. What's scary to me? Ashley Willcott, is they 401 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 1: who were actually acting on it. They had drawn a 402 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 1: school map, they had identified classmates they had planned to kill. 403 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:52,919 Speaker 1: They brought a goblet to school in order to drink 404 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 1: the blood. At this juncture, Ashley, prosecutors have got to 405 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 1: decide whether the girls will be charged formally as juveniles 406 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 1: or adults, right, and so if it's one of the 407 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,679 Speaker 1: crimes that fits the seven Deadly Sins, then they can 408 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,200 Speaker 1: be charged as an adult. And that can happen even 409 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,160 Speaker 1: at those young ages. But you know, here's what's really 410 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 1: distressing and disturbing. At those ages. Arguably, even though they 411 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 1: they're committing a crime, they don't fully as Karen already 412 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 1: pointed out, recognize the consequences of that crime. They really 413 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: don't understand what it means. But in this particular case, 414 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:29,879 Speaker 1: what's the expression, Oh, yes, idle hands are the devil's workshop. 415 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 1: Because all of our children at those ages ten and 416 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 1: eleven are engaged in in good, meaningful activities, whatever it 417 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,920 Speaker 1: is that interests them. And these two girls obviously have 418 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:42,880 Speaker 1: way too much time on their hands. You know, I'm 419 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 1: thinking about what you said, the prosecutions in the slender 420 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:51,880 Speaker 1: Man case, where the two girls actually uh nearly stabbed 421 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 1: their little friend to death, luring her to spend the 422 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,959 Speaker 1: night party going out into the woods, and then slashing her, 423 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: stabbing her within a quarter and of her artery and 424 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 1: leaving her there to bleed out in order to gain 425 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 1: access to their hero, the sci fi character slender Man, 426 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 1: and live in his mansion. They were prosecuted and they 427 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 1: are doing hard jail time. I've looked at the police 428 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 1: photos of the weapons investigators recovered. It's uh a huge 429 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:29,200 Speaker 1: cache of weapons. There's a meat cleaver, a pizza cutter, knives, 430 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 1: a goblet which they were planning to use to drink 431 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 1: the little girl's blood. And they were already in the bathroom. 432 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 1: They were staking out a school bathroom, waiting for smaller students, 433 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:46,680 Speaker 1: smaller students than them, to come in. Then their plan 434 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 1: was to cut their throats, cut up the students bodies, 435 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:58,679 Speaker 1: eat their flesh, and drink their blood. The plan was 436 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 1: to kill at least a one student, but to kill 437 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 1: anywhere from fifteen to twenty five. And I'm reading this 438 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: from the police affidavit um quote. Killing all the students 439 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:15,199 Speaker 1: was in hopes it would make them worse sinners, ensuring 440 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 1: that they would go to hell so they could be 441 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:23,400 Speaker 1: with Satan. Okay, I don't even know how you start 442 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 1: with that care and start. You're the shrink. If you 443 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 1: get one of these girls on your couch, where do 444 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 1: you start? But the first thing that you need to 445 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 1: do is to find out how it happened that it 446 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 1: became so exciting to them that their minds wrapped, how 447 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 1: they wrapped around this idea of the fantasy of being 448 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 1: with Satan and that it would be wonderful and eating flesh. 449 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 1: I mean, don't you hear it, Nancy? This is being 450 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 1: taken directly from the movies that they were watching, drinking blood, 451 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 1: eating flesh and getting them trying to get them to 452 00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 1: see the difference between reality and fantasy. Seek And at 453 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 1: that age, your mind is not developed enough where you 454 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 1: can absolutely be certain that you know the difference, which 455 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 1: is why I'm saying they really weren't aware of what 456 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 1: they were doing. Well, you know, I appreciate that, Karen, 457 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 1: and I know that you're right. But in the eyes 458 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 1: of the law, Ashley Willcott, there there fascination or their 459 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 1: fantasies of a little girl there. You know, storyline may 460 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 1: be fictional, but those knives are real. And if they 461 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 1: were targeting smaller students than themselves, that means tiny children 462 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 1: coming in there, that we're gonna be their victims. And 463 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 1: they were poised in the bathroom with the meek clever, 464 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 1: with the pizza cutter, with the knives, with the goblets. 465 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 1: When they were caught, they were in the bathroom waiting 466 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 1: for a smaller child to come in at that moment. Right, 467 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 1: So Nancy is a juven on court judge. I see 468 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 1: the link on children before me all the time. And 469 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 1: here's the reality. They committed a crime. They have to 470 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 1: be held accountable. There have to be consequences. Now, keep 471 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 1: in mind, juven on court the whole goal, even if 472 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 1: they're charged as an adult at those ages, they are 473 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 1: to be rehabilitated. Theoretically, right, provide incarceration, but that provides rehabilitation. 474 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:10,720 Speaker 1: So that's gonna be the goal. But they do have 475 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 1: to be prosecuted for them. This is a crime, and 476 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 1: a horrific crime. They have to be prosecuted. Well, they 477 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 1: have to be prosecuted. You mentioned earlier, juveniles are treated 478 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 1: as adults in court if they commit one of the 479 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 1: seven deadlies. I call them the d f A, the debt, 480 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 1: the Designated Felony Act. Their seven felonies has to be 481 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 1: one of these felonies for a child, a minor that's 482 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 1: you know, like sixteen, are under to be bound over 483 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 1: or handed over to be prosecuted as an adult. And 484 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 1: they're they're pretty obvious. Their murder, they're rape, they're aggravated sodomy, 485 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 1: armed robbery. Let me think, um, I think arson is one. 486 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 1: There's two more missing? Aggravated assault? Did I already say 487 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 1: that one? I'm missing one? What's the seventh? The seven? Deadly? 488 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,720 Speaker 1: As she willcot, because it's got to be one of 489 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 1: these offenses before an adult court will even consider treating 490 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 1: a juvenile as an adult. There's seven of them in 491 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:18,480 Speaker 1: your jurisdiction, actually, willcot. So to Dave Matt, do we 492 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 1: have any information um as to how they're going to 493 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 1: be treated? Are they going to be treated as adults? Nancy? 494 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 1: At this point, what I saw is that that's still 495 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 1: being determined as they're they're being held in a juvenile 496 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 1: facility right now, and they're because of their ages at 497 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 1: eleven and twelve, they're gonna have to determine what's going 498 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,160 Speaker 1: to be the best course of action in terms of 499 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 1: prosecution that we have students that we're actually plotting and 500 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 1: practicing to harm other students on campus. Thank you to 501 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 1: all of the principles, the assistant principles there for following 502 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 1: through after a parent call when the system called them, 503 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 1: let them know that the child was absent. That side 504 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 1: of system works and they go out and they look, 505 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 1: I'll send our children to school to be harmed. And 506 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 1: I will say this to anyone. If you plan on 507 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 1: harm in any of our children, we will take it 508 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 1: very credible and turn it over to law enforcement. We 509 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 1: will protect them, and we will make sure that we 510 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:27,280 Speaker 1: cooperate fully with law enforcement to ensure the safety of 511 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 1: all of our campuses here in the county. You were 512 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 1: hearing sound related to an eleven and twelve year old 513 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 1: girl planning to commit mass murder at their middle school 514 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 1: in Bartow County. Quote leave body parts of the entrance 515 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 1: bar too. Middle school girls planning to kill classmates drink 516 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 1: their blood, according to police, and there's a lot of 517 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 1: evidence proving this is true. An eleven and twelve year 518 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 1: old girl. Apparently the parents let them watch slasher movies, uh, 519 00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:01,160 Speaker 1: dice and Slice movies all weekend and hats this plot 520 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 1: and we're carrying through straight out to Alan Duke joining 521 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 1: me in l A. But you see it a different way. 522 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 1: What Well, first of all, let me say that my 523 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 1: daughter is no Satanic devil worshiper. Let me get that 524 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 1: out of the way right now. Well, I can't agree 525 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 1: with that, because I've met her and she's absolutely beautiful. 526 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 1: Yes she is. She's twenty seven years old, she's the 527 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 1: mother of four and a five year old child. Children. 528 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,560 Speaker 1: And but when she was thirteen, had just turned thirteen, 529 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 1: she was the subject of criminal prosecution in Georgia. And 530 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 1: it was a case that while it put me on 531 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,959 Speaker 1: Good Morning America, Inside Edition, etcetera, etcetera, because I got 532 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 1: a call from the principal one day that my that 533 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,480 Speaker 1: I needed immediately get to the school. And I went 534 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 1: down to the school and there were cops everywhere, ambulances 535 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 1: all over the place, and I said, oh, turns out 536 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,479 Speaker 1: my daughter was accused of trying to kill about thirteen 537 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 1: of her classmates. Now you know the story, Nancy, and 538 00:33:56,200 --> 00:34:00,640 Speaker 1: you know how it had the ending. But it wasn't 539 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 1: with knives, and it wasn't with scissors anything like that. 540 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 1: She allegedly tried to poison them with a cake in 541 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:12,239 Speaker 1: the lunch room, and they took her off to jail 542 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,680 Speaker 1: along with the classmate, a neighbor girl, and they charged 543 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,080 Speaker 1: them as adults. The next day, my daughter was in 544 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 1: chains on camera and I'm just trying to imagine my 545 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,640 Speaker 1: little baby girl or my son in chains. I just 546 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,200 Speaker 1: you know, I personally covered the Tim McVeigh and Terry 547 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,959 Speaker 1: Nichols trials Oklahoma City bombers. They had more chains than them, 548 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,560 Speaker 1: two little, tiny, little thirteen year old girls, and they 549 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 1: had that. Even McVeigh wasn't televised. My daughter's hearing was 550 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,880 Speaker 1: televised and I had to get up and testify. So 551 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,840 Speaker 1: it was pretty tough. Charged with thirteen counts of terrorism 552 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:52,680 Speaker 1: and attempted murder of her classmates, and that was pretty traumatic. 553 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 1: But you know what happened, Nancy, Justice took its course. 554 00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,840 Speaker 1: This was in Cobb County in two thousand and four. 555 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,400 Speaker 1: They test at the cake and guess what they found 556 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:05,040 Speaker 1: was in the cake, nothing harmful. It was all a misunderstanding. 557 00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,240 Speaker 1: The teacher had jumped to the conclusion that my daughter 558 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 1: there was something wrong with the cake because it was 559 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,839 Speaker 1: a stupid cake. My daughter is still not a good cook. 560 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:15,920 Speaker 1: It was a stupid cake she took sort of as 561 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,239 Speaker 1: a prank. She calls it a prank, and so she 562 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,800 Speaker 1: was arrested and charged with very serious crimes as an adult. 563 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,319 Speaker 1: The point here is that sometimes there was nothing in 564 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,120 Speaker 1: it at all. It was tested by the by the 565 00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:32,480 Speaker 1: crime lab GBI crime Lab, and it was stupid. They 566 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,799 Speaker 1: made it. You know how in school, uh, they teach 567 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,040 Speaker 1: you how to make play do out of flour. That's 568 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,400 Speaker 1: what they did. They used that recipe which is edible, 569 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,959 Speaker 1: and the other odd ingredient was glue school glue, which 570 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,799 Speaker 1: again is edible. That's why we let kindergarteners have it, right. 571 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 1: So it was just a silly cake. They put a 572 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,880 Speaker 1: lot of different food colors in it, and the police 573 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,840 Speaker 1: immediately said there were drugs and all kinds of stuff 574 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:57,960 Speaker 1: got out in the media about it that wasn't true, 575 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,120 Speaker 1: and I had to deal with that, and that's I 576 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,000 Speaker 1: was on Good Morning America a few times and other 577 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:07,160 Speaker 1: places countering it. And it turned out a happy ending. 578 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:11,279 Speaker 1: They actually took it to trial and they first day 579 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,440 Speaker 1: of the trial. After the first day, the judge took 580 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,000 Speaker 1: everybody in and said, we're throwing this out because the 581 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,400 Speaker 1: GB I testified there was nothing in the cake. Okay, 582 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:22,480 Speaker 1: So I'm hearing a completely different point of view to 583 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 1: Vincent Hill cop turned p I Vincent um his daughter, 584 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,600 Speaker 1: Alan's daughter, who I've been with many, many times. She's 585 00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:35,920 Speaker 1: beautiful on the inside and the outside stunning and lovely 586 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:41,000 Speaker 1: and kind and gentle. I don't know, Vincent, I think 587 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,240 Speaker 1: that's a far even though I'm hearing the other side 588 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,759 Speaker 1: to it. That's a far cry from taking knives to school. Now, 589 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,480 Speaker 1: the parents may argue Vincent that this was just a 590 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:53,840 Speaker 1: prank they weren't going to follow through. Well, in Alan's 591 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,040 Speaker 1: daughter's case, there was no no plan, no nothing to 592 00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:58,720 Speaker 1: fall off though. She just took a cake to school 593 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,399 Speaker 1: and another kid heard her call it a stupid cake, 594 00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,280 Speaker 1: and it got interpreted that it had poisonous It didn't 595 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,919 Speaker 1: at all. And it's like that game I was talking 596 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,480 Speaker 1: to you about earlier, where one you sit in a 597 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,960 Speaker 1: circle and you say one thing to one and they 598 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,439 Speaker 1: pass it around and by the end you laugh because 599 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,920 Speaker 1: it's a completely different thing that was said to start with. 600 00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,440 Speaker 1: That's what that is here. These girls actually bring knives 601 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,640 Speaker 1: and pizza cutters to school. Yeah, A bunch of different 602 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:28,400 Speaker 1: circumstances than a very horribly baked cake. Nancy, you're talking knives, 603 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,640 Speaker 1: And if you look at what's happened in school in 604 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,200 Speaker 1: the last couple of years, you can't take any of 605 00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,560 Speaker 1: these threats lightly, no matter how old the child is, 606 00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,239 Speaker 1: no matter what they look like, you can't take any 607 00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,560 Speaker 1: of this lightly to say, oh, well, you know it 608 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,400 Speaker 1: was just the print that people weren't going to go 609 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,799 Speaker 1: through with it. You can't make that assumption anymore, not 610 00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,080 Speaker 1: in this day and as Nancy, no, you really can't. 611 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,400 Speaker 1: So let me go back to you. Dave Max, indicated 612 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,239 Speaker 1: talk show host joining us. Where does it stand right now? Well, 613 00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,320 Speaker 1: it's right now. They're still in the investigation phase. The girls, 614 00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,640 Speaker 1: both of them are in juvenile to ten while they 615 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:02,759 Speaker 1: determine whether or not they're going to charge them as 616 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:06,680 Speaker 1: adults or not. And where we're waiting um findings from 617 00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:08,799 Speaker 1: the prosecutor's office and will know more in the next 618 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,439 Speaker 1: few days. As we wait, two girls remain in juvenile hall, 619 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,200 Speaker 1: Will they be treated as adults in face twenty years 620 00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:20,000 Speaker 1: behind bars? What were their real intentions? And what, if 621 00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:23,560 Speaker 1: any role did their parents play in this. I'm Nancy 622 00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,399 Speaker 1: Grace signing off good Boy