Speaker 1: Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heart Radio Podcast.
Speaker 2: Hi honey, Hello, can you please its almost Christmas issue?
Speaker 3: Kind of as in your way into persuade and meet
Speaker 3: to put decorations up for the November.
Speaker 2: Yes, can we agree on a date?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 2: Can we can? We can we put it in the
Speaker 2: calendar and agree on a date because last year we
Speaker 2: put it up before Roman was born. Well, we put
Speaker 2: up about sixty percent of.
Speaker 3: It because Roman was going to be born and we
Speaker 3: have no time afterwards.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I still like them being up before Thanksgiving
Speaker 2: and because we're leaving too for Thanksgiving, So I feel
Speaker 2: like what if we did, like, let's just do some
Speaker 2: planning right now, let's just go on the calendar to
Speaker 2: a little planning. Can we do the second week in November?
Speaker 2: That sound good too?
Speaker 4: You want that way?
Speaker 2: It just feels like a mutual thing.
Speaker 4: Well, it's a week, it's a week of putting them up.
Speaker 2: So I would like I would not like to solid
Speaker 2: see if we could like condense it to like a
Speaker 2: two day process, that would be awesome.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a twenty year old day for two days.
Speaker 2: I do all of it. Oh wow, I do you
Speaker 2: help me bring the boxes down, But I really did
Speaker 2: you put any I mean minus minus the garland on
Speaker 2: the on the railing, babe, which part of it, besides
Speaker 2: the garland and the tree.
Speaker 3: Besides the garland which stretches the whole span of the house,
Speaker 3: and the garland on the outside staircase, and the tree
Speaker 3: which is like a redwood tree in the north of California.
Speaker 4: Yes, thank you so much, one hundred feet tall.
Speaker 1: It's true. True.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, it's going to be great. Anyways, how's your
Speaker 2: week been.
Speaker 4: It's been good because my little big man has been here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been awesome.
Speaker 4: My heart feels cool when they hear.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: As you know, he leaves tonight.
Speaker 3: So we had a little training session this morning, not
Speaker 3: taking them for lunch. It's afternoon before he goes to
Speaker 3: the airport. It's been good. It's been busy since he's
Speaker 3: been here. Yeah, I felt like since he's arrived, it's
Speaker 3: been something every day.
Speaker 2: It's been awesome.
Speaker 3: And we've got no food in the fridge because he
Speaker 3: never stops eating. I just made I just made this
Speaker 3: four eggs each with some beef in the eggs in
Speaker 3: half an ab caddle right, and he said it wasn't
Speaker 3: enough and made another four eggs and five slices of
Speaker 3: tucky bacon.
Speaker 4: That now I feel fool.
Speaker 2: As my mom used to say that my brother was
Speaker 2: going to eat us out of house and home. So
Speaker 2: I guess it's just the thing when you get older,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, my mom dad used to say that I had
Speaker 3: the worms, worm worms for the Americans, worms worms, worms, whatms?
Speaker 4: Bottoms? Okay, okay, I had worms.
Speaker 2: I don't is what does that mean?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 3: Does having warms mean? Basically means you've got a parasite
Speaker 3: that eats all the food that comes into your stomach,
Speaker 3: so you constantly feel hungry.
Speaker 2: Speaking of parasites, I'm going to do a parasite clans
Speaker 2: which is going to be very interesting, and you have
Speaker 2: to do it over the full moon. That's that's the
Speaker 2: weird part about it. But apparently you have to do
Speaker 2: it like the day to have it synced up to
Speaker 2: a full moon, which to me is just again a
Speaker 2: little weird, but they say that's how you're supposed to
Speaker 2: do it, and that's when the parasites come out.
Speaker 4: So sort of wear wolves. They want to come out
Speaker 4: on a film moon.
Speaker 2: I know, it's it's weird. I'm going to look into
Speaker 2: it a little bit more. But there is a full
Speaker 2: moon coming up very soon in November.
Speaker 4: So you know what happens with parasite cleans, don't you?
Speaker 2: It doesn't. It's they're all very different. It's not like
Speaker 2: everyone's cleanse is different. But they say you get so
Speaker 2: much more energy after a parasite cleanse, and I got
Speaker 2: to figure out this fatigue. So because it's just a lot,
Speaker 2: but you know.
Speaker 4: Are you gonna do it? We can run about, run about.
Speaker 3: And parasites up the reels and gross pose or whatever.
Speaker 2: I I would pass out if something. If a parasite
Speaker 2: came out of my ear, may come out your hoss.
Speaker 4: They they come out your hoss. Parasites.
Speaker 2: Did you have watched bay Watch.
Speaker 4: Teams of Subject? Yes? Absolutely, every of the night.
Speaker 2: Yeah, did you really?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Oh so then you you know, then you've seen our
Speaker 2: next guest. Do you watch them?
Speaker 4: A legend?
Speaker 3: He's one of the big watched legends, isn't he? Palm
Speaker 3: Lands and y Love Interest?
Speaker 2: Did you watch like every season?
Speaker 4: Well, probably not every season because I was eight when
Speaker 4: it started.
Speaker 2: That was gonna say, you're quite young to be watching
Speaker 2: they watch.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but as soon as my hormones kicked in and
Speaker 3: at eight, No, a little bit, a little bit later
Speaker 3: than eight.
Speaker 2: Like your parents, let you watched that at ate?
Speaker 3: I've probably seen it because my dad was probably watching
Speaker 3: it in the background, so I was exposed to it eight,
Speaker 3: but probably started watching it like eleven twelve.
Speaker 2: Really, I feel like that's so young?
Speaker 4: Was it so young?
Speaker 2: They watch They're like they like covered? I mean I
Speaker 2: didn't even watch it because it was two.
Speaker 4: Maybe twelve, maybe twelve. I don't know.
Speaker 3: You need to ask my woman and dad. Hum, interesting,
Speaker 3: you obviously watched it.
Speaker 2: I didn't watch it at all because I was too
Speaker 2: young from when it started.
Speaker 4: This is this is how big it was.
Speaker 3: So listened to this, right, so every week it got
Speaker 3: at least one point one billion viewers?
Speaker 2: Did you google that?
Speaker 4: I'm a plethora of data and statistic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you and your shark data is wrong.
Speaker 3: So let's go near that again. Right, So one point
Speaker 3: one billion viewers every week.
Speaker 4: Imagine the week. That's just five point six five point
Speaker 4: six billion people on.
Speaker 3: The planet at that point. That came straight from David's
Speaker 3: knowledge when I was in strolling freeze Instagram. So listening
Speaker 3: to this to put that into context, right, you're listening,
Speaker 3: you're listening.
Speaker 4: So to put that.
Speaker 3: Into context, the highest view of the weekly show modern
Speaker 3: show is what weekly? Not a show can be a
Speaker 3: tea like a sport as well.
Speaker 2: Say that one more time, sorry, I is it the
Speaker 2: highest weekly?
Speaker 4: What? So bay Watch got one point one weekly? Yeah,
Speaker 4: and it's prime exactly right, Now, what's the most watched
Speaker 4: show on.
Speaker 2: TV right now?
Speaker 4: In today's it can be a sport as well?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I feel like football gets what ten
Speaker 2: ten million viewers?
Speaker 3: So Sunday Night Football, Yeah, ten million, eighteen million plus
Speaker 3: eighteen and that's the highest. So compare that to one
Speaker 3: point one billion. So I then went back, yeah to
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety eight, Yeah, when Baywatch was its prime. And
Speaker 3: even then, right even then on ESPN and NBC, Sunday
Speaker 3: Night Football was only getting like ten eleven million viewers.
Speaker 2: Interesting, Friends was around the same time when it averaged
Speaker 2: twenty five million viewers each week exactly. I'm just having
Speaker 2: a hard time when you say billion because I grew
Speaker 2: up in this stage where we were lucky to get
Speaker 2: when we were on One Tree Hill like five million views,
Speaker 2: or when I was on Dancing with the stars, like
Speaker 2: you know, ten plus million views. You know, it's like
Speaker 2: you're you're luck like you're now in this day and age,
Speaker 2: or just you're so lucky to get a certain amount
Speaker 2: of views, like if you get over a million, it's
Speaker 2: like considered a win.
Speaker 3: Like the social media in nineteen ninety five to ninety eight.
Speaker 2: I don't know the fact too. I was reading So
Speaker 2: We've got David Chokichi coming on, who was a cast
Speaker 2: member of Baywatch, and so he This is interesting because
Speaker 2: I was listening to a few of his podcasts that
Speaker 2: he was doing with other people, and he was saying
Speaker 2: how he tore his or he hurt his achilles, the
Speaker 2: achilles and that's like a year rehab process and how
Speaker 2: he fell into depression. And it's so interesting because you
Speaker 2: and I have been both dealing with So I have
Speaker 2: an elf El five dispulge hitting the nerve in my
Speaker 2: back from Roman when I put him down, and that
Speaker 2: happened in August, and it's I felt that like it's
Speaker 2: like that depression of that constant and it still hurts,
Speaker 2: like I'm like it's been months now and it's just
Speaker 2: that constant ache. And I don't know how people deal
Speaker 2: with chronic pain because it's just there all the time
Speaker 2: and it's just so frustrating. And so we're going to
Speaker 2: talk a lot about mental health this episode, a lot
Speaker 2: about how he is going back to the roots of
Speaker 2: things and getting away from the medicine and more, you know,
Speaker 2: truly rooting yourself in the ground and how that's helping,
Speaker 2: and which I believe in a lot of that stuff.
Speaker 2: Anytime I have anxiety, it's like shoes off, socks off,
Speaker 2: feet in like the grass, the earth, and how that
Speaker 2: roots you. And but I think it's great to have,
Speaker 2: especially especially having a man talk about I don't I
Speaker 2: just love and you know me, I love in the
Speaker 2: conversations about mental health. But when a man opens up
Speaker 2: about depression, and because there's I'm going to go off
Speaker 2: on the stats here, but middle aged men are the
Speaker 2: most likely to commit suicide. Really yeah, My therapist was
Speaker 2: telling me that in this well this at least in
Speaker 2: this area, that was the middle aged men. And I
Speaker 2: think it's just I know a lot of women listen
Speaker 2: to the show, but that we also also deal with depression.
Speaker 2: So hopefully, you know, we can find ways to help
Speaker 2: and get some insight from him. So we'll take a
Speaker 2: break and then get him on.
Speaker 1: Are you guys, how are you doing good? How are
Speaker 1: you doing great? Thank you?
Speaker 2: I'm so excited to have you on. I I just
Speaker 2: found this out that my husband was a big bay
Speaker 2: Watch watcher, which I just had no idea about. And
Speaker 2: and and I'm also like he was watching it quite young, so.
Speaker 1: He's probably like, what like twelve before I was on
Speaker 1: the show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, probably so, Yeah, I was born in Ethy and
Speaker 3: we're just trying to figure out when my mom and
Speaker 3: dad actually let me watch it at what age?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Did you remember my character Cody Madison?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember all the characters because in Scotland everyone
Speaker 3: watched it because it was the only chance to see Sunshine.
Speaker 2: And the Yeah Sunshine and big boobs.
Speaker 1: It's so funny. We did like a big press tour
Speaker 1: when I first got on the show, and we went
Speaker 1: to England and then we went to Scotland, and Scotland
Speaker 1: they just went crazy. It was like we were the
Speaker 1: Beatles and they had a proper and we went to
Speaker 1: like a proper like haugas Vest, like we were all
Speaker 1: dressed up and killed and we had to taste the
Speaker 1: hog gus and say yes, or no, and it was.
Speaker 4: Did you like it or not?
Speaker 1: It wasn't bad. I'm not a fraid of anything really,
Speaker 1: so it was all right, yeah.
Speaker 2: That's so funny. Well I'm curious because well he was,
Speaker 2: you know, we're as we're you know, researching more and
Speaker 2: you know, learning about your story and and just Baywatch
Speaker 2: and Whold too, because obviously that docu series is out
Speaker 2: on Hulu. And yeah, I I it's not that I
Speaker 2: doubted you when you told me how many viewers it got,
Speaker 2: but I did. I'm like, there's that's not possible that
Speaker 2: they got one point five billion, Like that's one point
Speaker 2: one billion, Like that's just not like, especially especially in
Speaker 2: today's age, and even back then. I'm like, okay, fine,
Speaker 2: I'd maybe think like twenty five million, but like billion,
Speaker 2: Like I just I'm like and then I googled and
Speaker 2: I had to google it the Google check him, and
Speaker 2: I was like, wait, what.
Speaker 1: It's like one point one billion a week. That's wild
Speaker 1: and there was only five point eight billion people on
Speaker 1: the planet. So it was like, it's the numbers are insane.
Speaker 2: What did you think it? Like? Why why do you
Speaker 2: think it was?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 2: What made the show work the way that it did
Speaker 2: that hugely and successfully.
Speaker 1: I think it's just like a lot of countries or
Speaker 1: like European countries or landlocked they would use it as
Speaker 1: like an hour of escapism, like they could turn it
Speaker 1: on and actually, like forget that it was twenty degrees
Speaker 1: outside and it was dark. It's whatever Eastern Communism or
Speaker 1: whatever is happening at the time, and it just like it.
Speaker 1: You know. They also translated it into I don't know
Speaker 1: how many different languages they dubbed it, you know, or
Speaker 1: like I speak, like twenty languages, which is hilarioious, like,
Speaker 1: and you know it, it just permeated the globe. Obviously,
Speaker 1: back then there was less content, and there was less
Speaker 1: There wasn't a three hundred channels to choose from.
Speaker 4: What do you mess most about the show? Well, do
Speaker 4: you messay anything?
Speaker 1: I miss? You know, when I look back on that show,
Speaker 1: it was a really physical show. I grew up on
Speaker 1: the ocean on the East coast and my mom was
Speaker 1: a sailor and she started us sailing at like age five,
Speaker 1: and I really I took sailing kind of to the
Speaker 1: next level. I ended up becoming the head sailing instructor.
Speaker 1: I went to the Junior Olympics and windsurf racing like
Speaker 1: triangle racing, and I raced like these other boats, these
Speaker 1: two man boats were with a spinnaker called four twenties
Speaker 1: and went to like the Nationals and those, and so
Speaker 1: I had all this ocean experience and it translated when
Speaker 1: I got on the show, like I already knew how
Speaker 1: to drive boats. I know how to like handle them
Speaker 1: really well. I knew had to drive wave runners. I
Speaker 1: knew was a certified scuba diver. I was already certified CPR.
Speaker 1: So I had all these skills. And so when they
Speaker 1: discovered that, and I was on a swim team and
Speaker 1: my character was an Olympic hopeful, and so when they
Speaker 1: saw like I had all those skills and I could
Speaker 1: actually swim like a technical swimmer like in the pool
Speaker 1: and actually look like an Olympic guy, it was kind
Speaker 1: of like a like a no brainer in terms of
Speaker 1: the casting. And then as they saw my skills in
Speaker 1: the water, they just kept writing these more elaborate action
Speaker 1: scenes and I got to do like some of them.
Speaker 1: You know. They would let me drive these scarebs, which
Speaker 1: are the speedboats, the big yellow ones you know that
Speaker 1: are super fast but they don't handle well. And then
Speaker 1: we would come in really hot to like the Venice
Speaker 1: peer and then want us to kind of like you know,
Speaker 1: almost like spray the pier, come around, stall it and
Speaker 1: someone dive off, and you know, there's only it was
Speaker 1: only me and like the O this so other guy
Speaker 1: Mike Newman, who they would who they would let drive
Speaker 1: the scarebs and even the wave runners. Man, they set
Speaker 1: up the cameras in the rocks, and you have a
Speaker 1: lot of scenes where you know, you pull up, you
Speaker 1: got to spin the wave runner and kind of stall
Speaker 1: it close to the camera and then deliver your lines
Speaker 1: off camera. But if you don't know how to like
Speaker 1: spin it install it, you're like crashing into their camera
Speaker 1: crew or you're going to the rocks, and like the
Speaker 1: majority of the cast can like do it was just
Speaker 1: comedy and unfortunately that jall Man I just talked about
Speaker 1: Mike Newman just recently passed away, which was really hard.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, sorry to hear that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when you were going back to the success of
Speaker 2: the success of the show, I read somewhere that you
Speaker 2: guys were only making thirty five dollars an episode, which
Speaker 2: was that then fought because I know, Friends was obviously
Speaker 2: obviously very successful, and then they were making a million
Speaker 2: dollars an episode, So were there conversations where you guys
Speaker 2: were fighting for more money? And then was it that
Speaker 2: across the board? Because I make up that. I'm like,
Speaker 2: there's no way that David or Pamela, you know, you
Speaker 2: guys were Was that just for the recurring people or
Speaker 2: was that across the board?
Speaker 1: I mean no, David and Pamela were getting paid. I
Speaker 1: don't know how much you're getting paid. They definitely were
Speaker 1: getting paid. Yeah, everybody else was getting just nothing like we.
Speaker 1: I mean they I forget my initial I think I
Speaker 1: started at like thirty five hundred. But for me, I
Speaker 1: was so excited to be like on that show and
Speaker 1: have my first TV series, you know. And when I
Speaker 1: got on the show, I thought, oh my god, yeah
Speaker 1: I'm on. But then they're like, yeah, we're only guaranteeing
Speaker 1: you six out of twenty two. You got to kind
Speaker 1: of prove yourself and if you do, we'll write more
Speaker 1: for you. And luckily, like I saw quickly like how
Speaker 1: to succeed, and I worked my ass off. I worked
Speaker 1: with an acting coach. Every night. I would work on
Speaker 1: the set, I'd go to the gym and I work
Speaker 1: with a coach, and I would just do it every day.
Speaker 1: And I was super fit and like probably one of
Speaker 1: the most fit males. And I'm not bragging, but I'm
Speaker 1: just saying I saw how the audience respond and when
Speaker 1: the audience responds to your character, they right into the producers,
Speaker 1: and the producers go, oh wow, they're they're paying attention
Speaker 1: to paying attention to Chokichi, and really quickly like my
Speaker 1: character kind of like popped, and so much so that
Speaker 1: they gave me the option. They were like, who do
Speaker 1: you want to be your girlfriend on the show? You
Speaker 1: could have choose between Yazmin or Pamela, and I was like, really,
Speaker 1: you serious? And I love Jazmine and they're both hilarious
Speaker 1: and both gorgeous, but pam was like, you know, kind
Speaker 1: of a little more like well.
Speaker 2: She was this the star, so mean, yeah, that's that's
Speaker 2: hard not to turn down being the love interest of
Speaker 2: the main character. I know it was a ensemble, but still,
Speaker 2: I mean it was. When I think of Baywatch, I
Speaker 2: think of Pamela Anderson totally, and.
Speaker 1: Her and I were super similar, especially in the beginning
Speaker 1: before she had like kind of marriage things happening. Our
Speaker 1: spirits were like very alive, we were very self deprecating.
Speaker 1: We had a lot of fun. Our scenes were super fun,
Speaker 1: and the chemistry just like like popped off the screen.
Speaker 2: Was that hard for you kind of you know because
Speaker 2: obviously again reading things how Tommy was upset about the
Speaker 2: relationships that I mean because though you guys were on screen,
Speaker 2: you know, relationship off screen. You know. I read quotes
Speaker 2: that you were saying, she was like a sister and
Speaker 2: we had such a a friendly, like truly just a
Speaker 2: friendly relationship. I feel like I make up that that's
Speaker 2: super hard to be on set and then having this
Speaker 2: boyfriend and then causing any of just not good energy
Speaker 2: in that because that doesn't that doesn't fuel a good
Speaker 2: day for anyone working.
Speaker 1: No, and for her, I could it started to definitely.
Speaker 1: I could see the stress on her, the anxiety and
Speaker 1: her He would call that he would call one of
Speaker 1: the crew members and try and find the locations would
Speaker 1: be at, and the crew members would have to lie
Speaker 1: to him and say, oh, no, we're shooting over Marine Delray.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't it be shooting up in Zooma or something? And
Speaker 1: he would try and find us all the time, and
Speaker 1: and he was just you know, he made her life miserable,
Speaker 1: like and it should have been in the beginning. The
Speaker 1: probably the first season with her was super fun. There
Speaker 1: was no stress. And then when that piece came out,
Speaker 1: that came out pretty early when he trashed her trailer,
Speaker 1: but I don't think he It just seemed to kind
Speaker 1: of slowly build and she became kind of you know, less,
Speaker 1: I don't know to say it, like she just wasn't
Speaker 1: enjoying it as much, you know, she was just I
Speaker 1: think she was constantly like, yeah, at the end, I'm
Speaker 1: running in the set right now and like start punching
Speaker 1: out people or what, you know. So just like a
Speaker 1: shitty situation like he should have, you know. And I said, like,
Speaker 1: they're they're a married couple whatever. I was never looking
Speaker 1: across the line, but you're like, dude, you're married to
Speaker 1: an actress. And and as Baywatch is about as simple
Speaker 1: as it gets, the most of you doing is making out.
Speaker 1: There's nothing else. It's not like today's CV where they're
Speaker 1: really like going for it. It was so PG and
Speaker 1: he just like couldn't deal with it and took it
Speaker 1: the wrong way. And I think it wasn't. I think
Speaker 1: it was also to his you know, not to his credit,
Speaker 1: but to hit you know, not throw him under the
Speaker 1: bus totally. But there was so much attention on her
Speaker 1: at the time, and the paparazzi was so all over her,
Speaker 1: and like it became like it was just like a
Speaker 1: very stressful time. And it was. The weird thing is
Speaker 1: after the whole trailer incident, and we ended up going
Speaker 1: out to dinner and it was like Tommy pam yas
Speaker 1: me and myself and just like two others, a buddy
Speaker 1: of mine, and we had like and Tommy was completely
Speaker 1: cool with me and like my buddy. You end up
Speaker 1: like partying and doing shots at the bar. And then
Speaker 1: we ended up going to the viper room after and
Speaker 1: it was the same night that so we leave the
Speaker 1: viper room, come out of the viper room, the doors
Speaker 1: pop open, and the paparazzi like it's just like explosion
Speaker 1: up white, like you can't even see because they're trying
Speaker 1: to pop so many photographs of them. I'm like, I
Speaker 1: ditch out right and they go try and go straight
Speaker 1: and that's when he pushed that paparazzi dude, And I
Speaker 1: think broke his hip that same night.
Speaker 5: It's crazy.
Speaker 2: You know my husband, you know, he has never well,
Speaker 2: like he's dated other actresses. But I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm an actress, and so it's it's not it's it's
Speaker 2: difficult for you when I'm having to do makeout scenes,
Speaker 2: and it's I understand it being foreign and it's it's
Speaker 2: not something that you're used to. But from our sides,
Speaker 2: it's like, this is the least unsexy thing, Like those
Speaker 2: scenes kissing and everything are the least romantic. That's not
Speaker 2: it's I always say, it's the things that are offset,
Speaker 2: you know, the closed door in the trailers, like that's
Speaker 2: where it gets dodgy on set. It's how you handle
Speaker 2: those situations. But when it comes to the on screen
Speaker 2: kissing and anything like, it is the least romantic thing ever.
Speaker 2: There's no feelings, there's no you know, nothing, it's always
Speaker 2: just what happens when you yell when when it's cut,
Speaker 2: you know, then then that's where the lines can get
Speaker 2: blurred if you're not knowing the boundaries of certain things
Speaker 2: and you know you're being young and dumb. But yeah,
Speaker 2: so I get how it could be hard for dudes.
Speaker 2: But you know, he shouldn't have gone in like trash
Speaker 2: trailers or made it awkward because then it just puts
Speaker 2: everyone in a bad situation. Then you just don't even
Speaker 2: want to be there because you're like, well, I'm just
Speaker 2: going to get for this when I get home.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And she was like she was asking them to
Speaker 1: stop writing scenes, like stop writing makeout scenes with Chokichi,
Speaker 1: and they're like, we can't. The audience loves this, they'd
Speaker 1: love your they'd love c J and Cody, and that's
Speaker 1: the show. Like we can't like change Baywatch because Tommy
Speaker 1: can't like deal with this, Like sorry, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. I mean, I remember so many times I
Speaker 1: would just go sit in her trailer and she'd be
Speaker 1: like crying and freaking out, and I wouldn't I wouldn't
Speaker 1: be like hands on, I'd just be sitting there as
Speaker 1: a friend. I wouldn't be saying I just like just
Speaker 1: being there, just have it like and just like to
Speaker 1: support her because I can tell like it was it
Speaker 1: was really tough. And I think a lot of other
Speaker 1: guys would have taken advantage in that situation because there's
Speaker 1: I easily could have gone another direction and been a scumbag,
Speaker 1: and you know, she was super vulnerable. But I was like,
Speaker 1: that's what kind of guy I am. And I just
Speaker 1: wanted to be a friend to her and somebody, you know,
Speaker 1: someone's gone through a rough time and you know, try
Speaker 1: and help her out.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So touching on rough times. You had a rough injury recently.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, oh god, Well we were just kind of
Speaker 2: talking about that because we have like I just pulled,
Speaker 2: we both pulled our back out. We both have bulges
Speaker 2: in our back. He just he what would you do
Speaker 2: to your ankle?
Speaker 4: I roughediled my parents on the outside of my ankle.
Speaker 2: And so we've got like these injuries going on, and
Speaker 2: just the mine's been for a couple of months, him
Speaker 2: the same. And it's like there's this depression that sets
Speaker 2: because there's the constant pain every single day and it's
Speaker 2: like you're spending money going to this chiropractor and the
Speaker 2: pet and this, that and the other. And I just
Speaker 2: was like, I'm so sick of a feeling this but
Speaker 2: then making like letting it affect me. So I've just
Speaker 2: recently I'm like screwed. I'm going to start running again
Speaker 2: because I need to run because it's good for my
Speaker 2: mental state, and yeah, I was so excited to talk
Speaker 2: to you because you fell into depression because of your injury.
Speaker 4: Correct.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, so I'll try to go through
Speaker 1: it pretty quickly. But yeah. I was shooting a movie
Speaker 1: back east and it was I was playing a cop.
Speaker 1: The whole movie was talking except three dighths of the page.
Speaker 1: I chased the dude down a hallway and it was
Speaker 1: like one in the morning. It was super humid, and
Speaker 1: I was in like these combat boots and it was
Speaker 1: just stupid. I was like, it's all I can do
Speaker 1: is sprint, but I was just laying. I was laying
Speaker 1: on my back in my waiting room, just like tell
Speaker 1: me when you guys are ready. I wasn't stretching because
Speaker 1: I'm like, I just gonna run down the hallway. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I won't do that again. We did it once. I
Speaker 1: just have to kind of walk up at a high speed.
Speaker 1: I said, I see the dude. I hit a mark
Speaker 1: and then I yell at him to stop, and I
Speaker 1: spread and the camera kind of just coming at me
Speaker 1: and I run past camera. And we did it once
Speaker 1: and everybody was like, God, perfectly got it. Let's go home.
Speaker 1: Everybody's tired, and then someone and it wasn't the director
Speaker 1: and it was the DP. But someone goes, I don't know,
Speaker 1: we're set up for the store home town.
Speaker 6: The producer someone, Yeah, so we do it one more
Speaker 6: time and I go to Sprint and it was just instant,
Speaker 6: and I knew it because I had done my left one.
Speaker 1: During Baywatch and like my heatus a Baywatch playing paddle tennis,
Speaker 1: so I knew exactly the feeling. And it's I've broken
Speaker 1: my femur in eighth grade. That was pretty horrific feeling.
Speaker 1: But every time i've I've had a major injury, I'm like,
Speaker 1: that did not happen. And I jumped up and I
Speaker 1: put all my weight on it, and I'm like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, no way, and They're like, maybe it's spring.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's spraining. I knew anyway. Cut to I'm stuck
Speaker 1: on the East Coast and with Achilles, and I'm sure
Speaker 1: you know. I'm like, with there's like a fourteen day
Speaker 1: window that you have to have repair otherwise there's a
Speaker 1: lot of complications. So I only owed one more day
Speaker 1: on the movie. My flight was the following day. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'll just finish the movie and a cat in a
Speaker 1: boot because on't you tear it. There's no pain after
Speaker 1: like one night. But I had to get on. I
Speaker 1: had to find a surgeon, get on his schedule, get
Speaker 1: a physical, get an MRI, get all that lined up
Speaker 1: within fourteen days, you know. So I went with this guy.
Speaker 1: He's a shoulder specialist who does orthopedics. I tried to
Speaker 1: find the guy who did my left achilles because my
Speaker 1: left achilles was really bad rupture, and he was a
Speaker 1: trauma surgeon in Saint John's and Santa Monica, but he
Speaker 1: was older at the time and I couldn't find them,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I just got to go with
Speaker 1: this guy. A year later. It took a year to
Speaker 1: figure this out, and I knew I would grind. I
Speaker 1: worked on the PT you know, six weeks, no wait
Speaker 1: at all, full, your isolated, you're on the couch. That
Speaker 1: was fine for this whole section. But after a year,
Speaker 1: I'm like, my foot was loose, it was not like connected,
Speaker 1: it wasn't tight. And my family thought I was insane.
Speaker 1: They thought I was obsessing about it. All my buddies,
Speaker 1: well stop saying. I went and saw three specialists and
Speaker 1: two of them were like one was like, dude, I
Speaker 1: don't want to go back in there. That's a really
Speaker 1: tough surgery. To go in back into an achilles or
Speaker 1: revisions or revisionist surgery is very difficult. I would try
Speaker 1: and see if you can pete it. The second guy goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: let me see you try walk on your toes. I
Speaker 1: couldn't walk on my on my red toes at all.
Speaker 1: And he's like, David, listen, I can tell you're it. Dude.
Speaker 1: If you do this, you know you're starting over at
Speaker 1: day one, and I can tell you know you're into
Speaker 1: exercise and outdoors. He goes, you're gonna lose your fing mind.
Speaker 1: I guarantee it. The third guy met in Pasadena, goes,
Speaker 1: who's a young guy, sir for our family. Guy goes, yeah, David,
Speaker 1: your your attendon is too long. Unfortunately surgical error. There's
Speaker 1: nothing humanly possible to fix it without me going in
Speaker 1: and cutting out a chunk, reattached it and starting over,
Speaker 1: and that was it. And he I was like, let's
Speaker 1: do it. I have to do it, and he took
Speaker 1: out like an inch in an eighth. It was that
Speaker 1: far off, like that's how loose it was. But during
Speaker 1: the second period. I just found myself going dark, and
Speaker 1: it was like, I mean my entire life. I've grown
Speaker 1: up playing sports. I played football all the way through
Speaker 1: college and to base College in Maine and Pop Warner
Speaker 1: high school college football, lacrosse all the way through. I wrestled.
Speaker 1: I've always maintained like physical activity has been a thing,
Speaker 1: like like trail running, I serve, yoga, weightlifting, I was doing.
Speaker 1: I was just gotten back into jiu jitsu right before
Speaker 1: I ruptured it, like all these things I do. Like
Speaker 1: that's how like my body and mind has been working
Speaker 1: for years and then for two years basically it's stripped
Speaker 1: away and not only like the so all that physical
Speaker 1: stuff is stopped. So I'm not getting any of the
Speaker 1: positive feedback from my brain. I can't work as an actor.
Speaker 1: I'm isolated at home, and I just like I found
Speaker 1: myself in a depression. I had saw a psychiatrist. They
Speaker 1: put me on meds that didn't work at all, that
Speaker 1: that made it worse. He's like trying to add more
Speaker 1: that made it worse. Nothing was working, and I was
Speaker 1: and I've told this like I was scared to death
Speaker 1: that I would never find my way back to the
Speaker 1: person I was like the personality, like the drive I
Speaker 1: had in life, Like I was the guy who was like,
Speaker 1: let's go, let's go surf, Let's go night surfing, like
Speaker 1: dancing with my like crazy but crazy fun, like dancing
Speaker 1: with my dog, dancing with my daughter on the table. Whatever,
Speaker 1: is like I'm that guy. And then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: So I've never been a depressed person, and so to
Speaker 1: find me in this place, people are like, WHOA, what's
Speaker 1: going on with him? And because yeah, right now, and
Speaker 1: I knew it, but I was like I could not
Speaker 1: find a way out at all, until all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: I started cold plunging. We bought one cold plunging so
Speaker 1: ona and I started doing it pretty extreme because I
Speaker 1: kind of do things that way. And my wife's like,
Speaker 1: you're going crazy again, what are you doing there? It's
Speaker 1: like forty one degrees. You're in there for ten minutes,
Speaker 1: three times a day. But all of a sudden, I
Speaker 1: felt like a spark inside my soul, like ignite that
Speaker 1: was like a critical part of coming out of this.
Speaker 1: And at the same time, I just made the choice.
Speaker 1: I safely got off all the medication he had me on.
Speaker 2: So for you that then with the depression. What so
Speaker 2: the main things that helped you were the cold plunging
Speaker 2: you said, sauna? What else? It was something that things
Speaker 2: that helped you naturally.
Speaker 1: This is the one benefit I think about social media
Speaker 1: is like on Instagram, like is it it's Andrew Huberman, right,
Speaker 1: that's how you pronounce it to do you just follow him?
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's got to follow him all about them?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so there's always like clips of them and then
Speaker 1: you can go dive into their podcast. Like he's got
Speaker 1: so many amazing things that I've learned from him, Doctor Peterson.
Speaker 1: This anyway, but even your room and alone was like
Speaker 1: watching sunrise can totally change like your circadian rhythm if
Speaker 1: you want to start getting up early in the morning.
Speaker 1: And I always wanted to be I the guy who
Speaker 1: gets up at like four in the morning. All of
Speaker 1: a sudden, I started watching. I took my dog and
Speaker 1: started watching. I probably saw I swear to you like
Speaker 1: this in this between June and September, like forty sunrises
Speaker 1: and your you can watch the sunrise come up over
Speaker 1: the horizon for like five minutes before it can hurt
Speaker 1: your eyes. And during that five minute span, the actual
Speaker 1: the what it like what it does to your brain
Speaker 1: and your body. It's like it's a really positive bio
Speaker 1: feedback and does all these amazing things. He talks about
Speaker 1: it at length, and I would do it no justice.
Speaker 1: But I just was like, I took all this information
Speaker 1: and I just did all and just started stacking it.
Speaker 1: And then I just became super disciplined about it. I
Speaker 1: walked barefoot as much as possible. Grounding, I think is
Speaker 1: a real thing. People are like, what are you doing, dude,
Speaker 1: Like we're shooting a movie out in like Aguardulce movie ranch.
Speaker 1: It's all sandy and rocky, and I'm like, now, this
Speaker 1: feels so good on my feet. You have no idea.
Speaker 1: You guys got to try it. But that's another thing,
Speaker 1: like you're getting vibrations from the earth and all this
Speaker 1: sounds hokey pokey.
Speaker 2: No. I love the grounding. I'm a big I'm a
Speaker 2: big believer in grounding.
Speaker 1: But I swear like I'm living proof that these things
Speaker 1: work because I was so stuck. I came from like
Speaker 1: probably a background kind of like yours. I'm not a professional,
Speaker 1: but physical, mentally strong, everything good to a place of
Speaker 1: absolute bottom, and such a bottom that I was like
Speaker 1: and even though my leg is my leg is still
Speaker 1: screwed up. It's like there's there's like nerve damage and
Speaker 1: I'm so but I haven't. I've changed my mindset about it,
Speaker 1: like I don't let it consume me. I just I
Speaker 1: work on it. I think I've already been to yoga
Speaker 1: and I've already ice planted and sad, and I'll go
Speaker 1: to the gym and.
Speaker 2: Well, I think that's the thing. I think it's all
Speaker 2: about your mind and how you manage it and go, Okay,
Speaker 2: it's it's a process. But I'm either going to let
Speaker 2: it affect the entire day or I'm going to do
Speaker 2: something about it and then enjoy the rest of the
Speaker 2: day exactly while dealing with it.
Speaker 4: So do you completely avoid the Western medicine?
Speaker 1: No? Yeah, yeah, I'm just because it just didn't work.
Speaker 1: And they were adding like it was more like let's
Speaker 1: add more because that's not and I know a lot
Speaker 1: of people need them and they do work, but it
Speaker 1: just wasn't working for me. And I also was on
Speaker 1: something that was like for sleep, and I didn't even
Speaker 1: know the side effects. And then this other friend of
Speaker 1: mine was like, dude, you got to read the side
Speaker 1: effects of what you're taking. And I did and I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh my god. And I was like I got off
Speaker 1: of that like as fast as I could, because that
Speaker 1: was like a really bad drug.
Speaker 2: David, what was one of the things that your wife
Speaker 2: did really well doing? And then what was one of
Speaker 2: the things that was because you know, obviously a lot
Speaker 2: of women listen to the show, so if their husband
Speaker 2: is dealing with depression, what is something that she did
Speaker 2: really great that helped you? And then what was something
Speaker 2: that hurt it worse or that made it worse? I guess.
Speaker 1: I mean, she was a trooper. She hung in there.
Speaker 1: She tried to give me all the support I needed
Speaker 1: and also give me the space to try and figure
Speaker 1: it out, like to see if I can figure it out.
Speaker 1: And you know, she it's a weird thing because when
Speaker 1: you're in it, there's no like and I know. And
Speaker 1: the crazy thing is, I've talked about this on one
Speaker 1: other podcast. I've had like three strangers come up to
Speaker 1: me one like just and be like, dude, I'm in
Speaker 1: the same situation. I need help, like what worked. And
Speaker 1: one of them is like a close fuddy of mine
Speaker 1: from high school and he just called and was like
Speaker 1: I've never told you this, but this is what's going
Speaker 1: on and what how'd you get out of it? And
Speaker 1: I think she was most proud of but to be honest,
Speaker 1: that I got off like that medication because she saw
Speaker 1: like like it like it was like a sleep thing.
Speaker 1: And also when I was on it, I would be
Speaker 1: like out cold and like but she didn't even stir
Speaker 1: me at times, and it wasn't good and the side
Speaker 1: effects were not good. It took so much, like to
Speaker 1: get out of bed in the morning. And I think
Speaker 1: like from once I got off of everything, she was
Speaker 1: like the proudest she's been with me, and I just
Speaker 1: became like super dad all of a sudden. I was like,
Speaker 1: you know what I because I knew. I was like,
Speaker 1: I can't believe I'm the guy who's like dragging down
Speaker 1: my family right now. That's the worst, Like as a dad,
Speaker 1: as a husband, a father or son, Like nobody wants
Speaker 1: to be around a guy like that. It's just it's
Speaker 1: no fun because it's and and but when you're in it,
Speaker 1: there's none there's no easy way out. It's it's like
Speaker 1: it's it's a lot of work and you got to
Speaker 1: find and nobody's telling you to go try these things either,
Speaker 1: like like western medicine, it's like, okay, go to the psychiatrist,
Speaker 1: go to the therapist and load up on medication and
Speaker 1: do maybe whatever, maybe some breath work. But you know,
Speaker 1: I think someone needs to be spreading the message that okay,
Speaker 1: maybe you do need that stuff, but you know, also
Speaker 1: why don't you try like going to the ocean, like
Speaker 1: going for an ocean, swim walking in nature, watching sunrises.
Speaker 1: Like my nutrition. I don't eat any sugar. I eat
Speaker 1: really healthy, like planting our garden and eating your own
Speaker 1: like whatever, even we don't need a ton of it,
Speaker 1: but like we have our own herbs and tomatoes and cucumbers.
Speaker 1: And there's something about these simple things when you combine
Speaker 1: them together intrinsically, all of a sudden, there's this this
Speaker 1: something changes within you that you are not controlling, but
Speaker 1: it changes, and you feel like a life force come
Speaker 1: back that you did not have before. And like and
Speaker 1: also like I said, all of a sudden, I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm going to the gym, no matter why, Like I
Speaker 1: don't care if i feel like I'm tired, my leg hurts,
Speaker 1: and I just kept going. And all of a sudden
Speaker 1: I kept going and now like I'm like doubling down
Speaker 1: and and I do breath work, and I do and
Speaker 1: I roll on my body and I try and meditate,
Speaker 1: and like I do. Lard Hamilton has a great app
Speaker 1: for breath work because you can do it, like there's
Speaker 1: breath work in the car, breath work on the plane,
Speaker 1: and it's simple. It doesn't need to be complicated. But
Speaker 1: the combination of this stuff and it doesn't have to
Speaker 1: take all day. But when you put all this stuff together,
Speaker 1: it can really trigger such a positive physiological effect to
Speaker 1: bring you out of the state of depression and darkness
Speaker 1: that like I I would I just think it needs
Speaker 1: to be out there, this message.
Speaker 4: You should write a program, yeah, combining all these things
Speaker 4: and gathing people through it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean I'm serious because like in some of
Speaker 1: the people on Instagram, I put a little clip and
Speaker 1: some woman was like, oh my god, would you please
Speaker 1: help me DM me? And I'm like, I'm no expert.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I'm an expert, Like I'm not a like,
Speaker 1: but I know it worked. And I'm not making any
Speaker 1: of this up because you know, and my from my background,
Speaker 1: I know people deal with depression, their whole life. That's
Speaker 1: a different situation, and that's a different thing. So I'm
Speaker 1: talking about someone who's had a situational what a situation,
Speaker 1: ended up in a depression and then been so stuck
Speaker 1: and overall, like this went on for two and a
Speaker 1: half years, you know, the whole thing, and finally, you know,
Speaker 1: just in like June is when I started kind of
Speaker 1: coming out, and by July I was like, all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, it was like I was like hit the
Speaker 1: bottom and then ricochete off the bottom like a rocket,
Speaker 1: And it was like and the craziest thing is, like
Speaker 1: I used to during this period of darkness, I was like,
Speaker 1: I cannot f him believe this. This is the worst
Speaker 1: thing that's ever happened to me in my life. I
Speaker 1: cannot believe where I'm at. And now in retrospect, I
Speaker 1: look back, I go because of what I've gained, Like
Speaker 1: I feel like I've gained a superpower, because I feel
Speaker 1: like there's nothing, I honestly like, outside of something happening
Speaker 1: to my daughter, there's really nothing life can throw at
Speaker 1: me that would rock me. Now, Like I could take
Speaker 1: on anything after what I've dealt with.
Speaker 7: And be okay, you know what, I mean, which is cool,
Speaker 7: which is an amazing thing because when you fight your
Speaker 7: way out of something, so when you.
Speaker 1: Feel so trapped and so it's just yeah, it's it's
Speaker 1: it's scary because you you're like you don't see any
Speaker 1: light and and then when you get out and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, I became like like the real quickly,
Speaker 1: Like I had this movie that I was doing. I
Speaker 1: did in September. I did like three movies back to back,
Speaker 1: and one of them was in particular very like emotionally
Speaker 1: and physically demanding role. And I felt like the work
Speaker 1: I'm doing now because of the experience I had, is
Speaker 1: a thousand times better than the work I did before.
Speaker 1: And like even the DP, like after.
Speaker 8: I cut one of these scenes where I talk about
Speaker 8: this whole this very the whole thing that happened in
Speaker 8: the movie, at sometime my son and he goes, he
Speaker 8: had I'd worked with them in two other movies, and
Speaker 8: he goes to the director.
Speaker 1: He goes, he goes, Chokichi is good, but Oka what happened?
Speaker 1: He's like on a whole new level now, It's like like,
Speaker 1: what's what happened to dude? And the director was like, well,
Speaker 1: it's a long story, but he's been through Helen back
Speaker 1: and he popped out the other side and he's basically
Speaker 1: gained like an insight. And uh and like I think
Speaker 1: when people go through stuff like this and they come
Speaker 1: out it's almost and not just sound corny. And I
Speaker 1: don't feel like I can like I'm gonna be able
Speaker 1: to fly with a cape, but I feel like I
Speaker 1: do have like a little bit of a superpower, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you for shedding that superpower light. And yeah,
Speaker 2: glad you're on the other side of it. And you know,
Speaker 2: hopefully listeners that are listening, you know, can take some
Speaker 2: of the things that you said and try to incorporate
Speaker 2: that into into their their their life. And and yeah,
Speaker 2: take the shoes off and go for a walk. So
Speaker 2: thank you so much, Thank you so much, really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you guys, and spread the love.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, of course, and thank you so much.
Speaker 4: And yeah, we're going to get a cold plunge.
Speaker 2: Yeah, cold plunging SNA that's on our Christmas list. Anyways,
Speaker 2: all right, we'll d M you when we get to California.
Speaker 2: All right, Okay, thanks David, appreciate you.
Speaker 3: Thanks David, have a good day.