1 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:05,320 Speaker 1: Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heart Radio Podcast. 2 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 2: Hi honey, Hello, can you please its almost Christmas issue? 3 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 3: Kind of as in your way into persuade and meet 4 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 3: to put decorations up for the November. 5 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 2: Yes, can we agree on a date? 6 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:22,319 Speaker 4: Like? 7 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:23,799 Speaker 2: Can we can? We can we put it in the 8 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 2: calendar and agree on a date because last year we 9 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 2: put it up before Roman was born. Well, we put 10 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:32,319 Speaker 2: up about sixty percent of. 11 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 3: It because Roman was going to be born and we 12 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 3: have no time afterwards. 13 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I still like them being up before Thanksgiving 14 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 2: and because we're leaving too for Thanksgiving, So I feel 15 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 2: like what if we did, like, let's just do some 16 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 2: planning right now, let's just go on the calendar to 17 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 2: a little planning. Can we do the second week in November? 18 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 2: That sound good too? 19 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 4: You want that way? 20 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 2: It just feels like a mutual thing. 21 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 4: Well, it's a week, it's a week of putting them up. 22 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:10,319 Speaker 2: So I would like I would not like to solid 23 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 2: see if we could like condense it to like a 24 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 2: two day process, that would be awesome. 25 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:19,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a twenty year old day for two days. 26 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 2: I do all of it. Oh wow, I do you 27 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 2: help me bring the boxes down, But I really did 28 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 2: you put any I mean minus minus the garland on 29 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 2: the on the railing, babe, which part of it, besides 30 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 2: the garland and the tree. 31 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 3: Besides the garland which stretches the whole span of the house, 32 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 3: and the garland on the outside staircase, and the tree 33 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 3: which is like a redwood tree in the north of California. 34 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 4: Yes, thank you so much, one hundred feet tall. 35 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: It's true. True. 36 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 2: Okay, Well, it's going to be great. Anyways, how's your 37 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 2: week been. 38 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:11,399 Speaker 4: It's been good because my little big man has been here. 39 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been awesome. 40 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 4: My heart feels cool when they hear. 41 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:16,119 Speaker 5: Yeah. 42 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 4: As you know, he leaves tonight. 43 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 3: So we had a little training session this morning, not 44 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 3: taking them for lunch. It's afternoon before he goes to 45 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 3: the airport. It's been good. It's been busy since he's 46 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 3: been here. Yeah, I felt like since he's arrived, it's 47 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 3: been something every day. 48 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 2: It's been awesome. 49 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 3: And we've got no food in the fridge because he 50 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 3: never stops eating. I just made I just made this 51 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 3: four eggs each with some beef in the eggs in 52 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 3: half an ab caddle right, and he said it wasn't 53 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 3: enough and made another four eggs and five slices of 54 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 3: tucky bacon. 55 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 4: That now I feel fool. 56 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 2: As my mom used to say that my brother was 57 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 2: going to eat us out of house and home. So 58 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 2: I guess it's just the thing when you get older, 59 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 2: you know. 60 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, my mom dad used to say that I had 61 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:15,639 Speaker 3: the worms, worm worms for the Americans, worms worms, worms, whatms? 62 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 4: Bottoms? Okay, okay, I had worms. 63 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 2: I don't is what does that mean? 64 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 4: Well? 65 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:25,399 Speaker 3: Does having warms mean? Basically means you've got a parasite 66 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 3: that eats all the food that comes into your stomach, 67 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 3: so you constantly feel hungry. 68 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:32,519 Speaker 2: Speaking of parasites, I'm going to do a parasite clans 69 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 2: which is going to be very interesting, and you have 70 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 2: to do it over the full moon. That's that's the 71 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 2: weird part about it. But apparently you have to do 72 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 2: it like the day to have it synced up to 73 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 2: a full moon, which to me is just again a 74 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 2: little weird, but they say that's how you're supposed to 75 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 2: do it, and that's when the parasites come out. 76 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 4: So sort of wear wolves. They want to come out 77 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 4: on a film moon. 78 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 2: I know, it's it's weird. I'm going to look into 79 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 2: it a little bit more. But there is a full 80 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 2: moon coming up very soon in November. 81 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 4: So you know what happens with parasite cleans, don't you? 82 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 2: It doesn't. It's they're all very different. It's not like 83 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 2: everyone's cleanse is different. But they say you get so 84 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 2: much more energy after a parasite cleanse, and I got 85 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 2: to figure out this fatigue. So because it's just a lot, 86 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 2: but you know. 87 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 4: Are you gonna do it? We can run about, run about. 88 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 3: And parasites up the reels and gross pose or whatever. 89 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 2: I I would pass out if something. If a parasite 90 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:35,799 Speaker 2: came out of my ear, may come out your hoss. 91 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:39,280 Speaker 4: They they come out your hoss. Parasites. 92 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 2: Did you have watched bay Watch. 93 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 4: Teams of Subject? Yes? Absolutely, every of the night. 94 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, did you really? 95 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 4: Yeah? 96 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 2: Oh so then you you know, then you've seen our 97 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 2: next guest. Do you watch them? 98 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 4: A legend? 99 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 3: He's one of the big watched legends, isn't he? Palm 100 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 3: Lands and y Love Interest? 101 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 2: Did you watch like every season? 102 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 4: Well, probably not every season because I was eight when 103 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:09,719 Speaker 4: it started. 104 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:11,719 Speaker 2: That was gonna say, you're quite young to be watching 105 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 2: they watch. 106 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, but as soon as my hormones kicked in and 107 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 3: at eight, No, a little bit, a little bit later 108 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 3: than eight. 109 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 2: Like your parents, let you watched that at ate? 110 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 3: I've probably seen it because my dad was probably watching 111 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 3: it in the background, so I was exposed to it eight, 112 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 3: but probably started watching it like eleven twelve. 113 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 2: Really, I feel like that's so young? 114 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:37,720 Speaker 4: Was it so young? 115 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 2: They watch They're like they like covered? I mean I 116 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:42,840 Speaker 2: didn't even watch it because it was two. 117 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 4: Maybe twelve, maybe twelve. I don't know. 118 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 3: You need to ask my woman and dad. Hum, interesting, 119 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 3: you obviously watched it. 120 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:56,600 Speaker 2: I didn't watch it at all because I was too 121 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 2: young from when it started. 122 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 4: This is this is how big it was. 123 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:05,280 Speaker 3: So listened to this, right, so every week it got 124 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:08,479 Speaker 3: at least one point one billion viewers? 125 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 2: Did you google that? 126 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 4: I'm a plethora of data and statistic. 127 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, because you and your shark data is wrong. 128 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 3: So let's go near that again. Right, So one point 129 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 3: one billion viewers every week. 130 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 4: Imagine the week. That's just five point six five point 131 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 4: six billion people on. 132 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 3: The planet at that point. That came straight from David's 133 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:35,919 Speaker 3: knowledge when I was in strolling freeze Instagram. So listening 134 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:41,280 Speaker 3: to this to put that into context, right, you're listening, 135 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 3: you're listening. 136 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:43,280 Speaker 4: So to put that. 137 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 3: Into context, the highest view of the weekly show modern 138 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 3: show is what weekly? Not a show can be a 139 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 3: tea like a sport as well. 140 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:56,359 Speaker 2: Say that one more time, sorry, I is it the 141 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 2: highest weekly? 142 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:01,159 Speaker 4: What? So bay Watch got one point one weekly? Yeah, 143 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 4: and it's prime exactly right, Now, what's the most watched 144 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 4: show on. 145 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 2: TV right now? 146 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 4: In today's it can be a sport as well? 147 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I feel like football gets what ten 148 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 2: ten million viewers? 149 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 3: So Sunday Night Football, Yeah, ten million, eighteen million plus 150 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 3: eighteen and that's the highest. So compare that to one 151 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 3: point one billion. So I then went back, yeah to 152 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 3: nineteen ninety eight, Yeah, when Baywatch was its prime. And 153 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 3: even then, right even then on ESPN and NBC, Sunday 154 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 3: Night Football was only getting like ten eleven million viewers. 155 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 2: Interesting, Friends was around the same time when it averaged 156 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 2: twenty five million viewers each week exactly. I'm just having 157 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 2: a hard time when you say billion because I grew 158 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 2: up in this stage where we were lucky to get 159 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 2: when we were on One Tree Hill like five million views, 160 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 2: or when I was on Dancing with the stars, like 161 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 2: you know, ten plus million views. You know, it's like 162 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 2: you're you're luck like you're now in this day and age, 163 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 2: or just you're so lucky to get a certain amount 164 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 2: of views, like if you get over a million, it's 165 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 2: like considered a win. 166 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 3: Like the social media in nineteen ninety five to ninety eight. 167 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 2: I don't know the fact too. I was reading So 168 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 2: We've got David Chokichi coming on, who was a cast 169 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 2: member of Baywatch, and so he This is interesting because 170 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 2: I was listening to a few of his podcasts that 171 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 2: he was doing with other people, and he was saying 172 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 2: how he tore his or he hurt his achilles, the 173 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 2: achilles and that's like a year rehab process and how 174 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 2: he fell into depression. And it's so interesting because you 175 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 2: and I have been both dealing with So I have 176 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 2: an elf El five dispulge hitting the nerve in my 177 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 2: back from Roman when I put him down, and that 178 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 2: happened in August, and it's I felt that like it's 179 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 2: like that depression of that constant and it still hurts, 180 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 2: like I'm like it's been months now and it's just 181 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:20,319 Speaker 2: that constant ache. And I don't know how people deal 182 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 2: with chronic pain because it's just there all the time 183 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 2: and it's just so frustrating. And so we're going to 184 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 2: talk a lot about mental health this episode, a lot 185 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 2: about how he is going back to the roots of 186 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 2: things and getting away from the medicine and more, you know, 187 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 2: truly rooting yourself in the ground and how that's helping, 188 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:43,839 Speaker 2: and which I believe in a lot of that stuff. 189 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 2: Anytime I have anxiety, it's like shoes off, socks off, 190 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 2: feet in like the grass, the earth, and how that 191 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 2: roots you. And but I think it's great to have, 192 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 2: especially especially having a man talk about I don't I 193 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 2: just love and you know me, I love in the 194 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 2: conversations about mental health. But when a man opens up 195 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 2: about depression, and because there's I'm going to go off 196 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 2: on the stats here, but middle aged men are the 197 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 2: most likely to commit suicide. Really yeah, My therapist was 198 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 2: telling me that in this well this at least in 199 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 2: this area, that was the middle aged men. And I 200 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 2: think it's just I know a lot of women listen 201 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 2: to the show, but that we also also deal with depression. 202 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 2: So hopefully, you know, we can find ways to help 203 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 2: and get some insight from him. So we'll take a 204 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:32,319 Speaker 2: break and then get him on. 205 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: Are you guys, how are you doing good? How are 206 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: you doing great? Thank you? 207 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 2: I'm so excited to have you on. I I just 208 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 2: found this out that my husband was a big bay 209 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 2: Watch watcher, which I just had no idea about. And 210 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 2: and and I'm also like he was watching it quite young, so. 211 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:07,680 Speaker 1: He's probably like, what like twelve before I was on 212 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 1: the show. 213 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, probably so, Yeah, I was born in Ethy and 214 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 3: we're just trying to figure out when my mom and 215 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 3: dad actually let me watch it at what age? 216 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:17,199 Speaker 2: Yeah? 217 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 1: Did you remember my character Cody Madison? 218 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:24,319 Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember all the characters because in Scotland everyone 219 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:27,439 Speaker 3: watched it because it was the only chance to see Sunshine. 220 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 2: And the Yeah Sunshine and big boobs. 221 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 1: It's so funny. We did like a big press tour 222 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 1: when I first got on the show, and we went 223 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:39,319 Speaker 1: to England and then we went to Scotland, and Scotland 224 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: they just went crazy. It was like we were the 225 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: Beatles and they had a proper and we went to 226 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: like a proper like haugas Vest, like we were all 227 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 1: dressed up and killed and we had to taste the 228 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:54,559 Speaker 1: hog gus and say yes, or no, and it was. 229 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 4: Did you like it or not? 230 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 1: It wasn't bad. I'm not a fraid of anything really, 231 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 1: so it was all right, yeah. 232 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 2: That's so funny. Well I'm curious because well he was, 233 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 2: you know, we're as we're you know, researching more and 234 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 2: you know, learning about your story and and just Baywatch 235 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 2: and Whold too, because obviously that docu series is out 236 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 2: on Hulu. And yeah, I I it's not that I 237 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:22,680 Speaker 2: doubted you when you told me how many viewers it got, 238 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 2: but I did. I'm like, there's that's not possible that 239 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:27,680 Speaker 2: they got one point five billion, Like that's one point 240 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 2: one billion, Like that's just not like, especially especially in 241 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 2: today's age, and even back then. I'm like, okay, fine, 242 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 2: I'd maybe think like twenty five million, but like billion, 243 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:40,319 Speaker 2: Like I just I'm like and then I googled and 244 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:42,439 Speaker 2: I had to google it the Google check him, and 245 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:43,679 Speaker 2: I was like, wait, what. 246 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: It's like one point one billion a week. That's wild 247 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 1: and there was only five point eight billion people on 248 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 1: the planet. So it was like, it's the numbers are insane. 249 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 2: What did you think it? Like? Why why do you 250 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:01,679 Speaker 2: think it was? 251 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 4: Like? 252 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 2: What made the show work the way that it did 253 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:07,560 Speaker 2: that hugely and successfully. 254 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 1: I think it's just like a lot of countries or 255 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 1: like European countries or landlocked they would use it as 256 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: like an hour of escapism, like they could turn it 257 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 1: on and actually, like forget that it was twenty degrees 258 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 1: outside and it was dark. It's whatever Eastern Communism or 259 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 1: whatever is happening at the time, and it just like it. 260 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: You know. They also translated it into I don't know 261 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 1: how many different languages they dubbed it, you know, or 262 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 1: like I speak, like twenty languages, which is hilarioious, like, 263 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: and you know it, it just permeated the globe. Obviously, 264 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 1: back then there was less content, and there was less 265 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 1: There wasn't a three hundred channels to choose from. 266 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 4: What do you mess most about the show? Well, do 267 00:13:58,880 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 4: you messay anything? 268 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 1: I miss? You know, when I look back on that show, 269 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:07,959 Speaker 1: it was a really physical show. I grew up on 270 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:11,079 Speaker 1: the ocean on the East coast and my mom was 271 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: a sailor and she started us sailing at like age five, 272 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 1: and I really I took sailing kind of to the 273 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 1: next level. I ended up becoming the head sailing instructor. 274 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 1: I went to the Junior Olympics and windsurf racing like 275 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 1: triangle racing, and I raced like these other boats, these 276 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 1: two man boats were with a spinnaker called four twenties 277 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 1: and went to like the Nationals and those, and so 278 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 1: I had all this ocean experience and it translated when 279 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: I got on the show, like I already knew how 280 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 1: to drive boats. I know how to like handle them 281 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 1: really well. I knew had to drive wave runners. I 282 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 1: knew was a certified scuba diver. I was already certified CPR. 283 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 1: So I had all these skills. And so when they 284 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 1: discovered that, and I was on a swim team and 285 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: my character was an Olympic hopeful, and so when they 286 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 1: saw like I had all those skills and I could 287 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 1: actually swim like a technical swimmer like in the pool 288 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 1: and actually look like an Olympic guy, it was kind 289 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 1: of like a like a no brainer in terms of 290 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 1: the casting. And then as they saw my skills in 291 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 1: the water, they just kept writing these more elaborate action 292 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: scenes and I got to do like some of them. 293 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 1: You know. They would let me drive these scarebs, which 294 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 1: are the speedboats, the big yellow ones you know that 295 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: are super fast but they don't handle well. And then 296 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 1: we would come in really hot to like the Venice 297 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 1: peer and then want us to kind of like you know, 298 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 1: almost like spray the pier, come around, stall it and 299 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: someone dive off, and you know, there's only it was 300 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 1: only me and like the O this so other guy 301 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: Mike Newman, who they would who they would let drive 302 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 1: the scarebs and even the wave runners. Man, they set 303 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 1: up the cameras in the rocks, and you have a 304 00:15:56,120 --> 00:16:00,040 Speaker 1: lot of scenes where you know, you pull up, you 305 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: got to spin the wave runner and kind of stall 306 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 1: it close to the camera and then deliver your lines 307 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 1: off camera. But if you don't know how to like 308 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 1: spin it install it, you're like crashing into their camera 309 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 1: crew or you're going to the rocks, and like the 310 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: majority of the cast can like do it was just 311 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: comedy and unfortunately that jall Man I just talked about 312 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 1: Mike Newman just recently passed away, which was really hard. 313 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, sorry to hear that. 314 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, when you were going back to the success of 315 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 2: the success of the show, I read somewhere that you 316 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 2: guys were only making thirty five dollars an episode, which 317 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 2: was that then fought because I know, Friends was obviously 318 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 2: obviously very successful, and then they were making a million 319 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 2: dollars an episode, So were there conversations where you guys 320 00:16:57,560 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 2: were fighting for more money? And then was it that 321 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 2: across the board? Because I make up that. I'm like, 322 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 2: there's no way that David or Pamela, you know, you 323 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 2: guys were Was that just for the recurring people or 324 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 2: was that across the board? 325 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: I mean no, David and Pamela were getting paid. I 326 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 1: don't know how much you're getting paid. They definitely were 327 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:22,199 Speaker 1: getting paid. Yeah, everybody else was getting just nothing like we. 328 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: I mean they I forget my initial I think I 329 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: started at like thirty five hundred. But for me, I 330 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 1: was so excited to be like on that show and 331 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:38,159 Speaker 1: have my first TV series, you know. And when I 332 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 1: got on the show, I thought, oh my god, yeah 333 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: I'm on. But then they're like, yeah, we're only guaranteeing 334 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:45,679 Speaker 1: you six out of twenty two. You got to kind 335 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:49,160 Speaker 1: of prove yourself and if you do, we'll write more 336 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 1: for you. And luckily, like I saw quickly like how 337 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:57,920 Speaker 1: to succeed, and I worked my ass off. I worked 338 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 1: with an acting coach. Every night. I would work on 339 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 1: the set, I'd go to the gym and I work 340 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:05,120 Speaker 1: with a coach, and I would just do it every day. 341 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: And I was super fit and like probably one of 342 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 1: the most fit males. And I'm not bragging, but I'm 343 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:14,120 Speaker 1: just saying I saw how the audience respond and when 344 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:19,680 Speaker 1: the audience responds to your character, they right into the producers, 345 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:23,479 Speaker 1: and the producers go, oh wow, they're they're paying attention 346 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:29,159 Speaker 1: to paying attention to Chokichi, and really quickly like my 347 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 1: character kind of like popped, and so much so that 348 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 1: they gave me the option. They were like, who do 349 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 1: you want to be your girlfriend on the show? You 350 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:40,479 Speaker 1: could have choose between Yazmin or Pamela, and I was like, really, 351 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 1: you serious? And I love Jazmine and they're both hilarious 352 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:49,640 Speaker 1: and both gorgeous, but pam was like, you know, kind 353 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 1: of a little more like well. 354 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 2: She was this the star, so mean, yeah, that's that's 355 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 2: hard not to turn down being the love interest of 356 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 2: the main character. I know it was a ensemble, but still, 357 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 2: I mean it was. When I think of Baywatch, I 358 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 2: think of Pamela Anderson totally, and. 359 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 1: Her and I were super similar, especially in the beginning 360 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: before she had like kind of marriage things happening. Our 361 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 1: spirits were like very alive, we were very self deprecating. 362 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:22,879 Speaker 1: We had a lot of fun. Our scenes were super fun, 363 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 1: and the chemistry just like like popped off the screen. 364 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 2: Was that hard for you kind of you know because 365 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 2: obviously again reading things how Tommy was upset about the 366 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 2: relationships that I mean because though you guys were on screen, 367 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 2: you know, relationship off screen. You know. I read quotes 368 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 2: that you were saying, she was like a sister and 369 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:50,440 Speaker 2: we had such a a friendly, like truly just a 370 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 2: friendly relationship. I feel like I make up that that's 371 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 2: super hard to be on set and then having this 372 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 2: boyfriend and then causing any of just not good energy 373 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 2: in that because that doesn't that doesn't fuel a good 374 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 2: day for anyone working. 375 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 1: No, and for her, I could it started to definitely. 376 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 1: I could see the stress on her, the anxiety and 377 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 1: her He would call that he would call one of 378 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:21,880 Speaker 1: the crew members and try and find the locations would 379 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:24,200 Speaker 1: be at, and the crew members would have to lie 380 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 1: to him and say, oh, no, we're shooting over Marine Delray. 381 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:29,680 Speaker 1: Wouldn't it be shooting up in Zooma or something? And 382 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 1: he would try and find us all the time, and 383 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:35,920 Speaker 1: and he was just you know, he made her life miserable, 384 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:38,639 Speaker 1: like and it should have been in the beginning. The 385 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 1: probably the first season with her was super fun. There 386 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 1: was no stress. And then when that piece came out, 387 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 1: that came out pretty early when he trashed her trailer, 388 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:50,919 Speaker 1: but I don't think he It just seemed to kind 389 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 1: of slowly build and she became kind of you know, less, 390 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 1: I don't know to say it, like she just wasn't 391 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:04,199 Speaker 1: enjoying it as much, you know, she was just I 392 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 1: think she was constantly like, yeah, at the end, I'm 393 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: running in the set right now and like start punching 394 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:16,159 Speaker 1: out people or what, you know. So just like a 395 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 1: shitty situation like he should have, you know. And I said, like, 396 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 1: they're they're a married couple whatever. I was never looking 397 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:26,399 Speaker 1: across the line, but you're like, dude, you're married to 398 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 1: an actress. And and as Baywatch is about as simple 399 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 1: as it gets, the most of you doing is making out. 400 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:35,680 Speaker 1: There's nothing else. It's not like today's CV where they're 401 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 1: really like going for it. It was so PG and 402 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 1: he just like couldn't deal with it and took it 403 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 1: the wrong way. And I think it wasn't. I think 404 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 1: it was also to his you know, not to his credit, 405 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 1: but to hit you know, not throw him under the 406 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 1: bus totally. But there was so much attention on her 407 00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 1: at the time, and the paparazzi was so all over her, 408 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:05,440 Speaker 1: and like it became like it was just like a 409 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 1: very stressful time. And it was. The weird thing is 410 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 1: after the whole trailer incident, and we ended up going 411 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: out to dinner and it was like Tommy pam yas 412 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 1: me and myself and just like two others, a buddy 413 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,159 Speaker 1: of mine, and we had like and Tommy was completely 414 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,679 Speaker 1: cool with me and like my buddy. You end up 415 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 1: like partying and doing shots at the bar. And then 416 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 1: we ended up going to the viper room after and 417 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 1: it was the same night that so we leave the 418 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,479 Speaker 1: viper room, come out of the viper room, the doors 419 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 1: pop open, and the paparazzi like it's just like explosion 420 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 1: up white, like you can't even see because they're trying 421 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 1: to pop so many photographs of them. I'm like, I 422 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,439 Speaker 1: ditch out right and they go try and go straight 423 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,679 Speaker 1: and that's when he pushed that paparazzi dude, And I 424 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:56,440 Speaker 1: think broke his hip that same night. 425 00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 5: It's crazy. 426 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 2: You know my husband, you know, he has never well, 427 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:16,879 Speaker 2: like he's dated other actresses. But I mean, you know, 428 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:21,640 Speaker 2: I'm an actress, and so it's it's not it's it's 429 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 2: difficult for you when I'm having to do makeout scenes, 430 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 2: and it's I understand it being foreign and it's it's 431 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:32,399 Speaker 2: not something that you're used to. But from our sides, 432 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 2: it's like, this is the least unsexy thing, Like those 433 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:39,399 Speaker 2: scenes kissing and everything are the least romantic. That's not 434 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 2: it's I always say, it's the things that are offset, 435 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:43,880 Speaker 2: you know, the closed door in the trailers, like that's 436 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 2: where it gets dodgy on set. It's how you handle 437 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,160 Speaker 2: those situations. But when it comes to the on screen 438 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 2: kissing and anything like, it is the least romantic thing ever. 439 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,920 Speaker 2: There's no feelings, there's no you know, nothing, it's always 440 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 2: just what happens when you yell when when it's cut, 441 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,440 Speaker 2: you know, then then that's where the lines can get 442 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:06,440 Speaker 2: blurred if you're not knowing the boundaries of certain things 443 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,160 Speaker 2: and you know you're being young and dumb. But yeah, 444 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:11,879 Speaker 2: so I get how it could be hard for dudes. 445 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 2: But you know, he shouldn't have gone in like trash 446 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:15,680 Speaker 2: trailers or made it awkward because then it just puts 447 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,400 Speaker 2: everyone in a bad situation. Then you just don't even 448 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 2: want to be there because you're like, well, I'm just 449 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 2: going to get for this when I get home. 450 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, And she was like she was asking them to 451 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 1: stop writing scenes, like stop writing makeout scenes with Chokichi, 452 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,680 Speaker 1: and they're like, we can't. The audience loves this, they'd 453 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 1: love your they'd love c J and Cody, and that's 454 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 1: the show. Like we can't like change Baywatch because Tommy 455 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 1: can't like deal with this, Like sorry, you know what 456 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 1: I mean. I mean, I remember so many times I 457 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 1: would just go sit in her trailer and she'd be 458 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:52,879 Speaker 1: like crying and freaking out, and I wouldn't I wouldn't 459 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,159 Speaker 1: be like hands on, I'd just be sitting there as 460 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 1: a friend. I wouldn't be saying I just like just 461 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,040 Speaker 1: being there, just have it like and just like to 462 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 1: support her because I can tell like it was it 463 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 1: was really tough. And I think a lot of other 464 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 1: guys would have taken advantage in that situation because there's 465 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 1: I easily could have gone another direction and been a scumbag, 466 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 1: and you know, she was super vulnerable. But I was like, 467 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,959 Speaker 1: that's what kind of guy I am. And I just 468 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 1: wanted to be a friend to her and somebody, you know, 469 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: someone's gone through a rough time and you know, try 470 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 1: and help her out. 471 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:30,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. 472 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:35,120 Speaker 4: So touching on rough times. You had a rough injury recently. 473 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:39,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, oh god, Well we were just kind of 474 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 2: talking about that because we have like I just pulled, 475 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 2: we both pulled our back out. We both have bulges 476 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,639 Speaker 2: in our back. He just he what would you do 477 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 2: to your ankle? 478 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 4: I roughediled my parents on the outside of my ankle. 479 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 2: And so we've got like these injuries going on, and 480 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 2: just the mine's been for a couple of months, him 481 00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 2: the same. And it's like there's this depression that sets 482 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 2: because there's the constant pain every single day and it's 483 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 2: like you're spending money going to this chiropractor and the 484 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 2: pet and this, that and the other. And I just 485 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,679 Speaker 2: was like, I'm so sick of a feeling this but 486 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,119 Speaker 2: then making like letting it affect me. So I've just 487 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 2: recently I'm like screwed. I'm going to start running again 488 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,440 Speaker 2: because I need to run because it's good for my 489 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 2: mental state, and yeah, I was so excited to talk 490 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:25,159 Speaker 2: to you because you fell into depression because of your injury. 491 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 4: Correct. 492 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, so I'll try to go through 493 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,919 Speaker 1: it pretty quickly. But yeah. I was shooting a movie 494 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: back east and it was I was playing a cop. 495 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 1: The whole movie was talking except three dighths of the page. 496 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 1: I chased the dude down a hallway and it was 497 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 1: like one in the morning. It was super humid, and 498 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:48,399 Speaker 1: I was in like these combat boots and it was 499 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,439 Speaker 1: just stupid. I was like, it's all I can do 500 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,359 Speaker 1: is sprint, but I was just laying. I was laying 501 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 1: on my back in my waiting room, just like tell 502 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 1: me when you guys are ready. I wasn't stretching because 503 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:01,440 Speaker 1: I'm like, I just gonna run down the hallway. Yeah, 504 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:03,879 Speaker 1: I won't do that again. We did it once. I 505 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 1: just have to kind of walk up at a high speed. 506 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 1: I said, I see the dude. I hit a mark 507 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:10,639 Speaker 1: and then I yell at him to stop, and I 508 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 1: spread and the camera kind of just coming at me 509 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,679 Speaker 1: and I run past camera. And we did it once 510 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 1: and everybody was like, God, perfectly got it. Let's go home. 511 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:23,200 Speaker 1: Everybody's tired, and then someone and it wasn't the director 512 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,359 Speaker 1: and it was the DP. But someone goes, I don't know, 513 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 1: we're set up for the store home town. 514 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 6: The producer someone, Yeah, so we do it one more 515 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 6: time and I go to Sprint and it was just instant, 516 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,880 Speaker 6: and I knew it because I had done my left one. 517 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 1: During Baywatch and like my heatus a Baywatch playing paddle tennis, 518 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:46,119 Speaker 1: so I knew exactly the feeling. And it's I've broken 519 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 1: my femur in eighth grade. That was pretty horrific feeling. 520 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,879 Speaker 1: But every time i've I've had a major injury, I'm like, 521 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 1: that did not happen. And I jumped up and I 522 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 1: put all my weight on it, and I'm like, oh 523 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,680 Speaker 1: my god, no way, and They're like, maybe it's spring. 524 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 1: Maybe it's spraining. I knew anyway. Cut to I'm stuck 525 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,880 Speaker 1: on the East Coast and with Achilles, and I'm sure 526 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,920 Speaker 1: you know. I'm like, with there's like a fourteen day 527 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,719 Speaker 1: window that you have to have repair otherwise there's a 528 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:21,160 Speaker 1: lot of complications. So I only owed one more day 529 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,919 Speaker 1: on the movie. My flight was the following day. I'm like, 530 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 1: I'll just finish the movie and a cat in a 531 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:29,920 Speaker 1: boot because on't you tear it. There's no pain after 532 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,479 Speaker 1: like one night. But I had to get on. I 533 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 1: had to find a surgeon, get on his schedule, get 534 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 1: a physical, get an MRI, get all that lined up 535 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: within fourteen days, you know. So I went with this guy. 536 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 1: He's a shoulder specialist who does orthopedics. I tried to 537 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 1: find the guy who did my left achilles because my 538 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 1: left achilles was really bad rupture, and he was a 539 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 1: trauma surgeon in Saint John's and Santa Monica, but he 540 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 1: was older at the time and I couldn't find them, 541 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 1: and I was like, I just got to go with 542 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 1: this guy. A year later. It took a year to 543 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 1: figure this out, and I knew I would grind. I 544 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 1: worked on the PT you know, six weeks, no wait 545 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 1: at all, full, your isolated, you're on the couch. That 546 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 1: was fine for this whole section. But after a year, 547 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 1: I'm like, my foot was loose, it was not like connected, 548 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 1: it wasn't tight. And my family thought I was insane. 549 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 1: They thought I was obsessing about it. All my buddies, 550 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 1: well stop saying. I went and saw three specialists and 551 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 1: two of them were like one was like, dude, I 552 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 1: don't want to go back in there. That's a really 553 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 1: tough surgery. To go in back into an achilles or 554 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 1: revisions or revisionist surgery is very difficult. I would try 555 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 1: and see if you can pete it. The second guy goes, yeah, 556 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 1: let me see you try walk on your toes. I 557 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 1: couldn't walk on my on my red toes at all. 558 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 1: And he's like, David, listen, I can tell you're it. Dude. 559 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 1: If you do this, you know you're starting over at 560 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 1: day one, and I can tell you know you're into 561 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 1: exercise and outdoors. He goes, you're gonna lose your fing mind. 562 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 1: I guarantee it. The third guy met in Pasadena, goes, 563 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 1: who's a young guy, sir for our family. Guy goes, yeah, David, 564 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 1: your your attendon is too long. Unfortunately surgical error. There's 565 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 1: nothing humanly possible to fix it without me going in 566 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 1: and cutting out a chunk, reattached it and starting over, 567 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 1: and that was it. And he I was like, let's 568 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 1: do it. I have to do it, and he took 569 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 1: out like an inch in an eighth. It was that 570 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 1: far off, like that's how loose it was. But during 571 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 1: the second period. I just found myself going dark, and 572 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 1: it was like, I mean my entire life. I've grown 573 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 1: up playing sports. I played football all the way through 574 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 1: college and to base College in Maine and Pop Warner 575 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 1: high school college football, lacrosse all the way through. I wrestled. 576 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 1: I've always maintained like physical activity has been a thing, 577 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 1: like like trail running, I serve, yoga, weightlifting, I was doing. 578 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 1: I was just gotten back into jiu jitsu right before 579 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: I ruptured it, like all these things I do. Like 580 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 1: that's how like my body and mind has been working 581 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 1: for years and then for two years basically it's stripped 582 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 1: away and not only like the so all that physical 583 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 1: stuff is stopped. So I'm not getting any of the 584 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 1: positive feedback from my brain. I can't work as an actor. 585 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 1: I'm isolated at home, and I just like I found 586 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 1: myself in a depression. I had saw a psychiatrist. They 587 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:57,480 Speaker 1: put me on meds that didn't work at all, that 588 00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 1: that made it worse. He's like trying to add more 589 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 1: that made it worse. Nothing was working, and I was 590 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 1: and I've told this like I was scared to death 591 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 1: that I would never find my way back to the 592 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 1: person I was like the personality, like the drive I 593 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 1: had in life, Like I was the guy who was like, 594 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 1: let's go, let's go surf, Let's go night surfing, like 595 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 1: dancing with my like crazy but crazy fun, like dancing 596 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 1: with my dog, dancing with my daughter on the table. Whatever, 597 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 1: is like I'm that guy. And then all of a sudden, 598 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 1: So I've never been a depressed person, and so to 599 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 1: find me in this place, people are like, WHOA, what's 600 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,480 Speaker 1: going on with him? And because yeah, right now, and 601 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 1: I knew it, but I was like I could not 602 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 1: find a way out at all, until all of a sudden, 603 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 1: I started cold plunging. We bought one cold plunging so 604 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 1: ona and I started doing it pretty extreme because I 605 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 1: kind of do things that way. And my wife's like, 606 00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:00,320 Speaker 1: you're going crazy again, what are you doing there? It's 607 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 1: like forty one degrees. You're in there for ten minutes, 608 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 1: three times a day. But all of a sudden, I 609 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 1: felt like a spark inside my soul, like ignite that 610 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 1: was like a critical part of coming out of this. 611 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,240 Speaker 1: And at the same time, I just made the choice. 612 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 1: I safely got off all the medication he had me on. 613 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,800 Speaker 2: So for you that then with the depression. What so 614 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 2: the main things that helped you were the cold plunging 615 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 2: you said, sauna? What else? It was something that things 616 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,120 Speaker 2: that helped you naturally. 617 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:46,960 Speaker 1: This is the one benefit I think about social media 618 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 1: is like on Instagram, like is it it's Andrew Huberman, right, 619 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 1: that's how you pronounce it to do you just follow him? 620 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, he's got to follow him all about them? 621 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, so there's always like clips of them and then 622 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,960 Speaker 1: you can go dive into their podcast. Like he's got 623 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:11,359 Speaker 1: so many amazing things that I've learned from him, Doctor Peterson. 624 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:16,279 Speaker 1: This anyway, but even your room and alone was like 625 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:21,560 Speaker 1: watching sunrise can totally change like your circadian rhythm if 626 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,320 Speaker 1: you want to start getting up early in the morning. 627 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,279 Speaker 1: And I always wanted to be I the guy who 628 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 1: gets up at like four in the morning. All of 629 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 1: a sudden, I started watching. I took my dog and 630 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 1: started watching. I probably saw I swear to you like 631 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 1: this in this between June and September, like forty sunrises 632 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,600 Speaker 1: and your you can watch the sunrise come up over 633 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,719 Speaker 1: the horizon for like five minutes before it can hurt 634 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 1: your eyes. And during that five minute span, the actual 635 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,280 Speaker 1: the what it like what it does to your brain 636 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 1: and your body. It's like it's a really positive bio 637 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 1: feedback and does all these amazing things. He talks about 638 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,520 Speaker 1: it at length, and I would do it no justice. 639 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:09,320 Speaker 1: But I just was like, I took all this information 640 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,839 Speaker 1: and I just did all and just started stacking it. 641 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 1: And then I just became super disciplined about it. I 642 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,400 Speaker 1: walked barefoot as much as possible. Grounding, I think is 643 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,439 Speaker 1: a real thing. People are like, what are you doing, dude, 644 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:25,360 Speaker 1: Like we're shooting a movie out in like Aguardulce movie ranch. 645 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,560 Speaker 1: It's all sandy and rocky, and I'm like, now, this 646 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:30,720 Speaker 1: feels so good on my feet. You have no idea. 647 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,799 Speaker 1: You guys got to try it. But that's another thing, 648 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:35,920 Speaker 1: like you're getting vibrations from the earth and all this 649 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 1: sounds hokey pokey. 650 00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:39,680 Speaker 2: No. I love the grounding. I'm a big I'm a 651 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:40,760 Speaker 2: big believer in grounding. 652 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 1: But I swear like I'm living proof that these things 653 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:51,640 Speaker 1: work because I was so stuck. I came from like 654 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,080 Speaker 1: probably a background kind of like yours. I'm not a professional, 655 00:35:55,160 --> 00:36:01,160 Speaker 1: but physical, mentally strong, everything good to a place of 656 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:07,960 Speaker 1: absolute bottom, and such a bottom that I was like 657 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,359 Speaker 1: and even though my leg is my leg is still 658 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:15,439 Speaker 1: screwed up. It's like there's there's like nerve damage and 659 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 1: I'm so but I haven't. I've changed my mindset about it, 660 00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,640 Speaker 1: like I don't let it consume me. I just I 661 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:24,920 Speaker 1: work on it. I think I've already been to yoga 662 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,520 Speaker 1: and I've already ice planted and sad, and I'll go 663 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:28,840 Speaker 1: to the gym and. 664 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 2: Well, I think that's the thing. I think it's all 665 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,360 Speaker 2: about your mind and how you manage it and go, Okay, 666 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,799 Speaker 2: it's it's a process. But I'm either going to let 667 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,480 Speaker 2: it affect the entire day or I'm going to do 668 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:42,480 Speaker 2: something about it and then enjoy the rest of the 669 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,920 Speaker 2: day exactly while dealing with it. 670 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,840 Speaker 4: So do you completely avoid the Western medicine? 671 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:56,080 Speaker 1: No? Yeah, yeah, I'm just because it just didn't work. 672 00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,520 Speaker 1: And they were adding like it was more like let's 673 00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,520 Speaker 1: add more because that's not and I know a lot 674 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:05,600 Speaker 1: of people need them and they do work, but it 675 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,440 Speaker 1: just wasn't working for me. And I also was on 676 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,920 Speaker 1: something that was like for sleep, and I didn't even 677 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:15,000 Speaker 1: know the side effects. And then this other friend of 678 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,879 Speaker 1: mine was like, dude, you got to read the side 679 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,040 Speaker 1: effects of what you're taking. And I did and I'm like, 680 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,399 Speaker 1: oh my god. And I was like I got off 681 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,160 Speaker 1: of that like as fast as I could, because that 682 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,560 Speaker 1: was like a really bad drug. 683 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,560 Speaker 2: David, what was one of the things that your wife 684 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,279 Speaker 2: did really well doing? And then what was one of 685 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,160 Speaker 2: the things that was because you know, obviously a lot 686 00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:38,880 Speaker 2: of women listen to the show, so if their husband 687 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:42,239 Speaker 2: is dealing with depression, what is something that she did 688 00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,760 Speaker 2: really great that helped you? And then what was something 689 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:48,840 Speaker 2: that hurt it worse or that made it worse? I guess. 690 00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:54,319 Speaker 1: I mean, she was a trooper. She hung in there. 691 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,440 Speaker 1: She tried to give me all the support I needed 692 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:04,280 Speaker 1: and also give me the space to try and figure 693 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,120 Speaker 1: it out, like to see if I can figure it out. 694 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:13,319 Speaker 1: And you know, she it's a weird thing because when 695 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:17,400 Speaker 1: you're in it, there's no like and I know. And 696 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:19,520 Speaker 1: the crazy thing is, I've talked about this on one 697 00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:25,160 Speaker 1: other podcast. I've had like three strangers come up to 698 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:29,839 Speaker 1: me one like just and be like, dude, I'm in 699 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:35,279 Speaker 1: the same situation. I need help, like what worked. And 700 00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:37,120 Speaker 1: one of them is like a close fuddy of mine 701 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,239 Speaker 1: from high school and he just called and was like 702 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:41,600 Speaker 1: I've never told you this, but this is what's going 703 00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 1: on and what how'd you get out of it? And 704 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,880 Speaker 1: I think she was most proud of but to be honest, 705 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:54,520 Speaker 1: that I got off like that medication because she saw 706 00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:58,560 Speaker 1: like like it like it was like a sleep thing. 707 00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:00,279 Speaker 1: And also when I was on it, I would be 708 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,799 Speaker 1: like out cold and like but she didn't even stir 709 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,799 Speaker 1: me at times, and it wasn't good and the side 710 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:10,000 Speaker 1: effects were not good. It took so much, like to 711 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,200 Speaker 1: get out of bed in the morning. And I think 712 00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:16,840 Speaker 1: like from once I got off of everything, she was 713 00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:22,440 Speaker 1: like the proudest she's been with me, and I just 714 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:27,000 Speaker 1: became like super dad all of a sudden. I was like, 715 00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:30,640 Speaker 1: you know what I because I knew. I was like, 716 00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:35,640 Speaker 1: I can't believe I'm the guy who's like dragging down 717 00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:39,600 Speaker 1: my family right now. That's the worst, Like as a dad, 718 00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:44,000 Speaker 1: as a husband, a father or son, Like nobody wants 719 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:45,919 Speaker 1: to be around a guy like that. It's just it's 720 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,120 Speaker 1: no fun because it's and and but when you're in it, 721 00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,600 Speaker 1: there's none there's no easy way out. It's it's like 722 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:54,960 Speaker 1: it's it's a lot of work and you got to 723 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:59,560 Speaker 1: find and nobody's telling you to go try these things either, 724 00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:03,000 Speaker 1: like like western medicine, it's like, okay, go to the psychiatrist, 725 00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,600 Speaker 1: go to the therapist and load up on medication and 726 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:10,319 Speaker 1: do maybe whatever, maybe some breath work. But you know, 727 00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,960 Speaker 1: I think someone needs to be spreading the message that okay, 728 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:19,160 Speaker 1: maybe you do need that stuff, but you know, also 729 00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:23,560 Speaker 1: why don't you try like going to the ocean, like 730 00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:29,080 Speaker 1: going for an ocean, swim walking in nature, watching sunrises. 731 00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,719 Speaker 1: Like my nutrition. I don't eat any sugar. I eat 732 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:39,479 Speaker 1: really healthy, like planting our garden and eating your own 733 00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:41,840 Speaker 1: like whatever, even we don't need a ton of it, 734 00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,560 Speaker 1: but like we have our own herbs and tomatoes and cucumbers. 735 00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:48,719 Speaker 1: And there's something about these simple things when you combine 736 00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:54,960 Speaker 1: them together intrinsically, all of a sudden, there's this this 737 00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:59,239 Speaker 1: something changes within you that you are not controlling, but 738 00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:03,279 Speaker 1: it changes, and you feel like a life force come 739 00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:08,480 Speaker 1: back that you did not have before. And like and 740 00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:10,480 Speaker 1: also like I said, all of a sudden, I was like, 741 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:12,520 Speaker 1: I'm going to the gym, no matter why, Like I 742 00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:16,240 Speaker 1: don't care if i feel like I'm tired, my leg hurts, 743 00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:18,359 Speaker 1: and I just kept going. And all of a sudden 744 00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,680 Speaker 1: I kept going and now like I'm like doubling down 745 00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:24,680 Speaker 1: and and I do breath work, and I do and 746 00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,240 Speaker 1: I roll on my body and I try and meditate, 747 00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,920 Speaker 1: and like I do. Lard Hamilton has a great app 748 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,439 Speaker 1: for breath work because you can do it, like there's 749 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,600 Speaker 1: breath work in the car, breath work on the plane, 750 00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:39,400 Speaker 1: and it's simple. It doesn't need to be complicated. But 751 00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:42,600 Speaker 1: the combination of this stuff and it doesn't have to 752 00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:44,920 Speaker 1: take all day. But when you put all this stuff together, 753 00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:52,520 Speaker 1: it can really trigger such a positive physiological effect to 754 00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:56,719 Speaker 1: bring you out of the state of depression and darkness 755 00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:01,839 Speaker 1: that like I I would I just think it needs 756 00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:03,240 Speaker 1: to be out there, this message. 757 00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:07,080 Speaker 4: You should write a program, yeah, combining all these things 758 00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:08,359 Speaker 4: and gathing people through it. 759 00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean I'm serious because like in some of 760 00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:14,600 Speaker 1: the people on Instagram, I put a little clip and 761 00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:16,440 Speaker 1: some woman was like, oh my god, would you please 762 00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,480 Speaker 1: help me DM me? And I'm like, I'm no expert. 763 00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,640 Speaker 1: I'm not saying I'm an expert, Like I'm not a like, 764 00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,879 Speaker 1: but I know it worked. And I'm not making any 765 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:30,200 Speaker 1: of this up because you know, and my from my background, 766 00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,799 Speaker 1: I know people deal with depression, their whole life. That's 767 00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:39,000 Speaker 1: a different situation, and that's a different thing. So I'm 768 00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:43,440 Speaker 1: talking about someone who's had a situational what a situation, 769 00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:47,640 Speaker 1: ended up in a depression and then been so stuck 770 00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,719 Speaker 1: and overall, like this went on for two and a 771 00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:54,520 Speaker 1: half years, you know, the whole thing, and finally, you know, 772 00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,200 Speaker 1: just in like June is when I started kind of 773 00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,239 Speaker 1: coming out, and by July I was like, all of 774 00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,840 Speaker 1: a sudden, it was like I was like hit the 775 00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:06,640 Speaker 1: bottom and then ricochete off the bottom like a rocket, 776 00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:09,680 Speaker 1: And it was like and the craziest thing is, like 777 00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:14,120 Speaker 1: I used to during this period of darkness, I was like, 778 00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,160 Speaker 1: I cannot f him believe this. This is the worst 779 00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:18,719 Speaker 1: thing that's ever happened to me in my life. I 780 00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:24,040 Speaker 1: cannot believe where I'm at. And now in retrospect, I 781 00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:28,560 Speaker 1: look back, I go because of what I've gained, Like 782 00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,520 Speaker 1: I feel like I've gained a superpower, because I feel 783 00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:36,280 Speaker 1: like there's nothing, I honestly like, outside of something happening 784 00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:39,160 Speaker 1: to my daughter, there's really nothing life can throw at 785 00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:42,319 Speaker 1: me that would rock me. Now, Like I could take 786 00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,200 Speaker 1: on anything after what I've dealt with. 787 00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:49,359 Speaker 7: And be okay, you know what, I mean, which is cool, 788 00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,680 Speaker 7: which is an amazing thing because when you fight your 789 00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:54,560 Speaker 7: way out of something, so when you. 790 00:43:54,520 --> 00:44:02,320 Speaker 1: Feel so trapped and so it's just yeah, it's it's 791 00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:07,839 Speaker 1: it's scary because you you're like you don't see any 792 00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,960 Speaker 1: light and and then when you get out and all 793 00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:15,400 Speaker 1: of a sudden, I became like like the real quickly, 794 00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:18,080 Speaker 1: Like I had this movie that I was doing. I 795 00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,960 Speaker 1: did in September. I did like three movies back to back, 796 00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,239 Speaker 1: and one of them was in particular very like emotionally 797 00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:27,719 Speaker 1: and physically demanding role. And I felt like the work 798 00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:31,560 Speaker 1: I'm doing now because of the experience I had, is 799 00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,960 Speaker 1: a thousand times better than the work I did before. 800 00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,800 Speaker 1: And like even the DP, like after. 801 00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,680 Speaker 8: I cut one of these scenes where I talk about 802 00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:44,440 Speaker 8: this whole this very the whole thing that happened in 803 00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:48,319 Speaker 8: the movie, at sometime my son and he goes, he 804 00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,040 Speaker 8: had I'd worked with them in two other movies, and 805 00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:51,960 Speaker 8: he goes to the director. 806 00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:57,280 Speaker 1: He goes, he goes, Chokichi is good, but Oka what happened? 807 00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:00,279 Speaker 1: He's like on a whole new level now, It's like like, 808 00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:04,560 Speaker 1: what's what happened to dude? And the director was like, well, 809 00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:08,080 Speaker 1: it's a long story, but he's been through Helen back 810 00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:11,080 Speaker 1: and he popped out the other side and he's basically 811 00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:15,480 Speaker 1: gained like an insight. And uh and like I think 812 00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:19,919 Speaker 1: when people go through stuff like this and they come 813 00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:23,719 Speaker 1: out it's almost and not just sound corny. And I 814 00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,359 Speaker 1: don't feel like I can like I'm gonna be able 815 00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:28,600 Speaker 1: to fly with a cape, but I feel like I 816 00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:30,759 Speaker 1: do have like a little bit of a superpower, you 817 00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:31,319 Speaker 1: know what I mean. 818 00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:36,080 Speaker 2: Well, thank you for shedding that superpower light. And yeah, 819 00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,040 Speaker 2: glad you're on the other side of it. And you know, 820 00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:41,799 Speaker 2: hopefully listeners that are listening, you know, can take some 821 00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,239 Speaker 2: of the things that you said and try to incorporate 822 00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:48,839 Speaker 2: that into into their their their life. And and yeah, 823 00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:50,880 Speaker 2: take the shoes off and go for a walk. So 824 00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:53,839 Speaker 2: thank you so much, Thank you so much, really appreciate it. 825 00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you guys, and spread the love. 826 00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, of course, and thank you so much. 827 00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:02,520 Speaker 4: And yeah, we're going to get a cold plunge. 828 00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, cold plunging SNA that's on our Christmas list. Anyways, 829 00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,319 Speaker 2: all right, we'll d M you when we get to California. 830 00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,400 Speaker 2: All right, Okay, thanks David, appreciate you. 831 00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,400 Speaker 3: Thanks David, have a good day.