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Speaker 2: Look at this now. Tip to Tim. This is our life,

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Speaker 3: To this show.

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Speaker 2: I'm Luke Thomas, I'm Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 1: This this Morning Combat. Hey, it's not the first of

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Speaker 1: the month. It's the tenth of the month and it's

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Speaker 1: time for Morning Combat. Cash your checks and get up everyone.

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Speaker 1: How are you doing? My name is Luke Thomas. I

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Speaker 1: am one half of your hosting duo, joining from the

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Speaker 1: Joined by my friend, my broadcast partner, and a man

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Speaker 1: I truly don't understand or even respect. It's Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Brian, I've tried to put the broad in broadcasting, Luke.

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: I've studied you're trying to put the cast.

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Speaker 2: I've studied abroad before, Luke, and then I was lucky

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Speaker 2: enough to marry her. So congratulations. Here Monday morning, let's bang. Right,

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Speaker 2: you have two ninety recap boots. I mean, what a

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Speaker 2: time to be alive in combat sports? Right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was good. How was your ride home yesterday?

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Speaker 1: What time did the car come get you?

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Speaker 2: Eight am? Luke after three hours of sleep. But you

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Speaker 2: know that's that's the sacrifice I put in for this show.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we finished our broadcast like two thirty that I

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Speaker 2: Column for CBS. Yeah, you know, it's part of the gig,

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Speaker 2: It's part of the lifestyle we choose.

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Speaker 1: Luke Short. Now here's the question. Did the guy in

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Speaker 2: Not in a death defying sense, but in a I

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Speaker 2: But again, Luke, it's what I sign up for. And

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Speaker 2: when you have an experience like two ninety on Saturday

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Speaker 1: Up, all right, Shosta. Craig Jones. He just posted about

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Speaker 1: How many times were you talking to one of these

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Speaker 2: Now brown quickly. How much was the talk of the

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Speaker 2: It's interesting here because we had an interesting debate some

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Speaker 3: I mean, Topuria seems healthy. I think that's the next

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00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:29,439
Speaker 3: fight to make personally, and like you mentioned, Spain is

432
00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:31,320
Speaker 3: really an untapped market for them. They haven't really had

433
00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:33,600
Speaker 3: anybody coming out of Spain that's done anything. I mean,

434
00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:37,280
Speaker 3: Joel Albarez was ranked for a time Topuria. I think

435
00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:39,399
Speaker 3: kind of gets lumped in with the Georgian fighters because's

436
00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:41,800
Speaker 3: where he's from. But he's massive in Spain. I don't

437
00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:43,880
Speaker 3: know anything about soccer, but it seems like Sergio Ramos

438
00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:45,199
Speaker 3: is a pretty big deal. And he showed up for

439
00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:47,879
Speaker 3: a fight night in Jacksonville to see Toporia fight, right Like,

440
00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:50,320
Speaker 3: it seems like he's making a lot of noise in

441
00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:53,080
Speaker 3: that region. I think that they have the infrastructure, I'd imagine.

442
00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:55,160
Speaker 3: I think that there's the money there that can sell

443
00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:57,840
Speaker 3: a big gate in Spain. All of these things matter

444
00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:00,440
Speaker 3: when it comes to Topuria, So they want to do

445
00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:02,880
Speaker 3: a pay per view there like early next year. Maybe

446
00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:04,760
Speaker 3: that's the thing they look into doing and that's where

447
00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:07,560
Speaker 3: you have that fight because it would be massive. Again,

448
00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:09,480
Speaker 3: that's another thing that the UFC has to look at,

449
00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:12,200
Speaker 3: is like where can we maximize this fight? Can we

450
00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:15,960
Speaker 3: make the Spanish market something bigger by doing this? And

451
00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:19,240
Speaker 3: I think you absolutely can, So maybe that that's something

452
00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:23,119
Speaker 3: that would also make it have, you know, more reason

453
00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:26,000
Speaker 3: to do an Islam versus Vulk fight in October because

454
00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:28,520
Speaker 3: you get to do that and then we know or lose,

455
00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:30,919
Speaker 3: Volc versus Toporia is a massive fight in Spain if

456
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Speaker 3: you do it like early next year sometime or March April,

457
00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:36,359
Speaker 3: something along those lines. So maybe that's the direction they

458
00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:40,240
Speaker 3: go in because they can use Toporia right now to

459
00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:43,520
Speaker 3: make the Spanish market really blossom. And I think that

460
00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:44,760
Speaker 3: would be a good idea as well.

461
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Speaker 1: Are you not wondering real quick follow ' real quick follow?

462
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Speaker 1: Do you want to see the Toporia fight because you

463
00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,720
Speaker 1: believe Taporia has earned it and that would be interesting,

464
00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:59,560
Speaker 1: or do you believe that's more competitive than the fight

465
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Speaker 1: with Islam? Like what is the specific appeal for you

466
00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:03,280
Speaker 1: sorry about that, BC.

467
00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:05,879
Speaker 3: I think it's more the further than the latter. Like

468
00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:08,560
Speaker 3: I think that I'm very curious to see what Topuria

469
00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:10,359
Speaker 3: can do against Volkanoski because of how good you look

470
00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:12,879
Speaker 3: against joshmmat By the way, Josh Emmett, I was like

471
00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:15,679
Speaker 3: that UFC X the fan Expo thing on the Thursday,

472
00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:17,720
Speaker 3: and Josh Emmett was doing interviews. Guy's got like one

473
00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:19,639
Speaker 3: scratch on and was like seeing the Undertaker pop up

474
00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:21,480
Speaker 3: from the grave. I'm like, Josh emmetts here and he's like,

475
00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:23,399
Speaker 3: looks totally healthy, like nothing happened, and like he was

476
00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:25,879
Speaker 3: just in like a correct two weeks ago basically. So

477
00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:28,320
Speaker 3: kudos to Josh Emmett for being like Wolverine and having

478
00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:30,800
Speaker 3: that kind of durability. But we saw what Topouria did

479
00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:32,439
Speaker 3: to him, and it was it was not pretty. But

480
00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:34,800
Speaker 3: I just think Topouria right now is on a roll.

481
00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:36,960
Speaker 3: He's in his like you know, mid to late twenties.

482
00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:41,000
Speaker 3: You know, he's just full of gusto right now, He's

483
00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:44,080
Speaker 3: got all of this confidence. Volks coming off that awesome

484
00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,040
Speaker 3: win against yahiro Riez, and I think it would be

485
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,760
Speaker 3: a massive notch on the belt of Volkanowski to wouldgain

486
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Speaker 3: go through another one of these second wave contenders that's

487
00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:55,520
Speaker 3: just coming in full of piss and vinegar. So I'm

488
00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:59,040
Speaker 3: just really eager to see what Toporia can do against Volkanowski,

489
00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:02,360
Speaker 3: because Toporios looked so great thus far at better way

490
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:02,919
Speaker 3: in the UFC.

491
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,359
Speaker 2: Aaron I wanted to stay with Volkanowski kind of focus

492
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,119
Speaker 2: in on his own intention. You get a chance to

493
00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,600
Speaker 2: interview him. We all have watched him after the fight.

494
00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:13,800
Speaker 2: It did seem like he was kind of split on

495
00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,240
Speaker 2: the idea, Like we're talking about if the UFC wants

496
00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,120
Speaker 2: the Mahchev fight, if that makes sense, he'd do it

497
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,040
Speaker 2: just the same. He seemed to go out of his

498
00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:23,280
Speaker 2: way to set up a cage side face off with Tpuria.

499
00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:25,440
Speaker 2: He's not, you know, afraid of him or anything. I've

500
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,240
Speaker 2: argued a lot that there's just so much more for

501
00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:32,439
Speaker 2: Volkanowski to gain in you know, all time credibility in

502
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:34,679
Speaker 2: terms of going back up to that second way class

503
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:37,320
Speaker 2: and maybe making it a full time effort, considering how

504
00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,080
Speaker 2: close he came against Mahachev. It's rare you can get

505
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,760
Speaker 2: as a promotion the idea of one versus two on

506
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 2: a pomp for pound level and it's rare. When you

507
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,480
Speaker 2: just had it, it was so great. Everyone seems to

508
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,439
Speaker 2: be split on who won it, and now you can

509
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,639
Speaker 2: do it again. What do you think might be holding

510
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:57,080
Speaker 2: Volkanovski back from just that a full time move to

511
00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 2: fifty five? Luke had talked about the idea of maybe

512
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:01,760
Speaker 2: trying to make a run at the title defense record

513
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 2: of Jose Aldo. I just think given his age, the

514
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,400
Speaker 2: time would be now to maximize on what he can

515
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,639
Speaker 2: do to his resume and all those big opportunities. And

516
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 2: to me, that's at one fifty five.

517
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,119
Speaker 3: Well, I asked them straight up if you could choose,

518
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,159
Speaker 3: like what would you prefer? Would you prefer Islam or

519
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 3: would you prefer Topuria? And he said he'd prefer Islam,

520
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,000
Speaker 3: but then at the same time was talking about how

521
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 3: Topuria really excites him. You know how Jahiro Riguez was

522
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:28,119
Speaker 3: so respectful in the lead up to this fight, but

523
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,680
Speaker 3: he likes when he has a contender that's selling the fight,

524
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:34,359
Speaker 3: that's talking trash, that's that thinks that they can beat him,

525
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 3: That gets him out of bed. So I think that

526
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 3: he has stated his preference is Makachev, but he's you know,

527
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 3: he's a team player, and he's happy to face Topuria

528
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 3: as well. It's not like he's saying, no, I'm moving

529
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 3: up the lightweight next years. He's keeping the door open

530
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:48,959
Speaker 3: to either opportunity, and I think that's smart because from

531
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 3: a promotional standpoint, you want to be able to sell

532
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,960
Speaker 3: both those fights. And he's often said if he wanted

533
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:55,680
Speaker 3: fifty five and was the champion, he wants to defend

534
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 3: in both divisions. I mean that's I think that he

535
00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:59,920
Speaker 3: knows right now at thirty four. You you, Luke love

536
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 3: to talk about the thirty five year old statistic. I

537
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,480
Speaker 3: think that he really wants to prove that even when

538
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 3: he hits thirty five, he can defend two titles and

539
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 3: make a push to be the all time greatest. You know,

540
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:12,680
Speaker 3: he's always had his eye on that prize. It's like

541
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:14,639
Speaker 3: not just being a champion, not just being a double champion,

542
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 3: being the greatest of all time. He's been very open

543
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:18,639
Speaker 3: about that. And I think if he can be thirty five,

544
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 3: thirty six, thirty seven years old and depending in two

545
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 3: weight classes, like if anything's gonna push people to think,

546
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 3: maybe huh, someone can challenge John Jones or challenge GSP

547
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:29,239
Speaker 3: to be the greatest of all time. Like that, that

548
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 3: kind of work late in a career. We haven't seen

549
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 3: any fighter do.

550
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 1: That, No, we certainly have not. I guess we'll see

551
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,159
Speaker 1: what happens here in the end. Any thoughts about Yair

552
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,399
Speaker 1: Rodriguez on this occasion. I was sort of going back

553
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,440
Speaker 1: and watching the fight. To your point about the third round,

554
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 1: he was starting to cook a little bit. He looked

555
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,439
Speaker 1: pretty good. He did not seem to me unprepared for

556
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 1: the moment. They have built up this Mexican mma thing,

557
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 1: which I want to save that conversation to the Brandon

558
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,200
Speaker 1: Moreno fight in just a moment, so we can pause

559
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 1: that side of it. Put a pin in it, please.

560
00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 1: But on the air side, I mean, part of the

561
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 1: reason why this Vulcan win to me was so nice

562
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 1: is that Yair looked fine. He looked like he was

563
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 1: not injured, that he had trained well, that he had

564
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 1: thought this through. He looked overmatched, but he didn't look

565
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,880
Speaker 1: in any way bad, so he still got some time

566
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,159
Speaker 1: on his side. I don't think his title aspirations are

567
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 1: in any way done, but they're probably on hold as

568
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 1: long as Volkanovsky is around. Would you concur yeah.

569
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:22,680
Speaker 3: I would think so. I don't think he's gonna get

570
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 3: a rematch anytime soon based on that performance. And like

571
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:26,440
Speaker 3: you said, I don't think he was ill prepared either.

572
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:27,879
Speaker 3: I thought that he actually looked fairly good and a

573
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:29,679
Speaker 3: lot of moments in that fight. It's just when you

574
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 3: have a guy like Volkanovsky, who can you know, turn

575
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 3: around on you on a dime, those moments don't really

576
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 3: stay in the mind of the viewer. They'd see, hey,

577
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:41,640
Speaker 3: Volkanovski won two rounds in a row and then beat

578
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 3: him in the third. Right, because before that sequence that

579
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 3: earned Volkanovki the win. I would say, yeah, your Riguez

580
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 3: was winning that round. And as I mentioned, Volkanowski won

581
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 3: eighteen rounds in a row at better way so had. Yeah,

582
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 3: Riguez even won one round in that fight. That's a

583
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 3: bit of a notch on his belt. But he doesn't

584
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 3: walk away with that. And I had a great talk

585
00:25:57,760 --> 00:25:59,399
Speaker 3: with Yeah year prior to the fight. We talked for

586
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,680
Speaker 3: like twelve minute is just about his creativity and where

587
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,959
Speaker 3: his creativity comes from. It's a fascinating interview if you've

588
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 3: got a chance to listen to it. I don't think

589
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 3: it's it's aged poorly or anything. Since that one, because

590
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 3: I just think he's such an enigma in the sport.

591
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 3: He's somebody who almost approach approaches it like somebody who's

592
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:20,159
Speaker 3: painting a masterpiece, who's doing artwork, you know, something that

593
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 3: BC I'm sure would love and relish listening to just

594
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,399
Speaker 3: to hear his creative process when it comes to fighting.

595
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,120
Speaker 3: I think that he still has time. I mean, he's

596
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 3: thirty years old to make a statement in the sport,

597
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 3: and I think what he's done in his career to

598
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 3: date has been very impressive because if you remember when

599
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 3: he won the Ultimate Fighter Latin America, Mexican fighters couldn't

600
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 3: buy a win in the UFC, like they were losing

601
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 3: every fight. For the most part, none of them are

602
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 3: having success. You see how far that's come thus far.

603
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 3: And I know we're tabling that conversation for a bit later,

604
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 3: but I think that, yeah, Rodriguez tells a ton of

605
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 3: upside in the sport, all right, But we've.

606
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,399
Speaker 2: Gone twenty five minutes talking about yeah year versus Volk

607
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 2: and neither, and you guys are like, you know, yeah,

608
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:00,880
Speaker 2: here look great in that third round until he didn't.

609
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 2: I don't mean to be a man of the people

610
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 2: all the time, but the people are filling my DM

611
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,919
Speaker 2: holes going, hey, mma, media, wake up. Vulkhead butted the

612
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 2: freaking shit out of him. It stopped his momentum and

613
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 2: suddenly the scales changed. Aaron, you didn't even mention the head,

614
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 2: but is it worth mentioning? It's part of the game.

615
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 2: It happens. Volk didn't do it on purpose, but there

616
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 2: is a cry out there that that snuffed off whatever

617
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 2: yeahyir did have in that moment.

618
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 3: I'll be honest, this is the first heard of it.

619
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 3: I was lucky in the back, and I didn't notice

620
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,160
Speaker 3: it that they showed him the replay at all, because

621
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 3: I didn't notice a class of head that all dry.

622
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it was a monstrous class of heads that

623
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 2: forced the stoppage in the fight, like a brief pause,

624
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 2: a time out of the foot.

625
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean the atmosphere when I'm backstage is very

626
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 3: busy and distracting, so I do miss little things when

627
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,719
Speaker 3: I'm at the event and I'm watching on the TVs

628
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 3: because there's so much going on around me. So I

629
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 3: did miss that, and I'll be honest that I hadn't

630
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 3: seen a whole lot about it.

631
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 1: Here's what you missed nothing. It's not to say that

632
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 1: it didn't happen or that it didn't hurt, but that like,

633
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: this is the reason why things went the way they went. No,

634
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 1: probably not, I would not buy that. Okay, with that

635
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 1: in mind, let's move to topic number two here. The

636
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 1: co main event one of the best fights I've ever seen,

637
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 1: one of the best flyweight fights I've ever seen, maybe

638
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,120
Speaker 1: the best flyweight title fight I've ever seen. In absolute

639
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 1: blood and guts affair that BC and I talked about

640
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 1: on Saturday night and we thought, like, there's just no

641
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 1: way those guys come out the same, how bad we'll

642
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 1: see in the end. But okay, Aaron, let's talk about

643
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 1: it on this level. Should the UFC actually, you know what,

644
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 1: let me back up a step. Tell me how you

645
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 1: scored it, if you have scored it, And then, secondly,

646
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: in conjunction with that, should the UFC book an immediate

647
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 1: rematch or should Pantoja defend against a fresh contender.

648
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 3: My very loose score on the night watching it was

649
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 3: forty eight forty seven Pantosia. But again, I was watching

650
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 3: that fight. There's lots of stuff going on around me. Backstage.

651
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 3: I did get to watch the fight from round one

652
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 3: to round like the whole fight, which is rare because

653
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 3: usually they bring people back for interviews, but because you know,

654
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 3: Dan Hooker and Turner were transported, I don't think that

655
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 3: and Dracus was, I guess wanted to put on a

656
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 3: suit in between. Like these are the little things that

657
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 3: can can shift when these interviews are gonna happen. So

658
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 3: luckily I was able to watch the whole fight. But

659
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 3: when I was watching it, I was there were so

660
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 3: many sequences in that fight that if you're trying to

661
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 3: score that fight from home, good luck to you, because

662
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 3: there was so much going on in every single round

663
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 3: of that fight. Like I thought the clearest rounds were one, two,

664
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 3: and five, if I recall correctly, one for Pantosia, two

665
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 3: for Moreno, and five for Pantoja. I thought were relatively clear.

666
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 3: I know that Ben cart which was a very very

667
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 3: good judge, scored the fifth for Moreno, so I would

668
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 3: have to go back and watch and see if maybe

669
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 3: I could see what he was seeing. But I think

670
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 3: that I thought that Pantosia won three of those five

671
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 3: rounds personally, But again I have to go back and

672
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 3: watch it, because I just remember while watching it. I

673
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 3: was like, wow, how are you computing and keeping note

674
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 3: of every single one of these things that's happening, because

675
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 3: it seemed like one guy lends a big shot, another

676
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 3: guy lends a big shot, somebody's taking somebody down. There's

677
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 3: a scramble like it's a flyway fight. It's fast, and

678
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 3: there's so much. Anything's happening in a round, like a

679
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 3: five minute round feels like a ten minute round because

680
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 3: of everything that's going on. So trying to score that fight,

681
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 3: I mean, the judges had had their hands full in

682
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 3: that situation because there was so much to score.

683
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: Okay, now on the rematch side, where are you yes,

684
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: yeah or nay?

685
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 3: I think he just put it in Moreno's You offer

686
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 3: it to Moreno and you see if he wants to

687
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 3: take it right away. Because if I'm Moreno personally, I

688
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,479
Speaker 3: would say, let Pantosha defend it against roy Ball. I'm

689
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 3: gonna chill for a bit. I think Moreno's earned that.

690
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 3: I think that he should. He's been in like look

691
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 3: at his recent fights. He's four fights against Figeredo, a

692
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 3: fight against Kaikar France, and then this war with Pantosia.

693
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 3: I think that Moreno should just take some time. Honestly,

694
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 3: Like if I were advising Reino, I say, listen, wait

695
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 3: like a year, like maybe next year, an international fight

696
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 3: week or June or August of next year, see who

697
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 3: the champion is. If Pantoja faces roy Ball and try

698
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 3: to fight, then I honestly think he needs to just

699
00:30:58,240 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 3: take it easy for a bit.

700
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 2: I agree. I'm starting to get nervous for the amount

701
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 2: of damage at a very young age. I mean, every

702
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 2: single fight he gets into Brandon Moreno, it's a war,

703
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 2: and that's a sellable item. He's a great face of

704
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 2: the larger Mexican MMA movement, but it's all bangers. And

705
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 2: that's also the reputation of this division for the moment,

706
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 2: along with the parody across it. But it is interesting

707
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 2: the debate of what could or should be next because

708
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 2: the Royvall fight was two fights ago that he fought

709
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 2: up against Pantosia and lost and got finished, and then

710
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 2: in the interim Royvaalt just happened to kind of make

711
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 2: a run. Looks like maybe the most deserving and bright

712
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 2: prospect prospect for the title, along with the mir Al

713
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 2: Bosi Kaikr fence in that mix too. I don't think

714
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 2: the promotion could go wrong in the direction they go.

715
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 2: I wouldn't necessarily though, to echo at what everybody's saying,

716
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 2: want to rush moreno back in there. Because of that,

717
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 2: I want to celebrate the moment that Pantosia did have.

718
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 2: I mean, Aaron that post fight speech, the family, the

719
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 2: shot out to the father he never knew. This felt

720
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 2: like one of those rare, wholesome I Got the Fields

721
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 2: type of moments right there. I kind of want to

722
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 2: let that air out a bit because what Pantosa has

723
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 2: had to go through through his entire career, run to

724
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 2: get on this three fight win streak and make himself

725
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 2: where he was coming into this fight, and then to

726
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 2: see all of that calm out it did feel next

727
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 2: level special.

728
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with you. And if you saw the

729
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 3: clip of Gilbert watching the decision, get read and you

730
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 3: can see Pantosa's family in front of him, like, oh man,

731
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 3: like Gilbert was just like he looked more emotional. I've

732
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 3: ever seen Gilbert Burns like it meant so much to

733
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 3: his team into the Brazilians. You saw Charles Olavera like

734
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 3: it was just such a cool moment. I agree.

735
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 2: Brazilian mma is back Aaron, Okay, can we can we.

736
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 3: Get about the Brazilian champions You bet ya?

737
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 2: You bet you? All right, we're back, We're back.

738
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely. And Pantosa. The thing about Pantosa is he's

739
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 3: always been that good, Like, he's always been a championship

740
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 3: caliber fighter. It just seemed like the division kept having

741
00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 3: all of these reasons to hold him back, and then

742
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 3: he finally got that opportunity. And it's such a close fight,

743
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 3: such a war, one of the all time great flyway fight,

744
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 3: might be the best flyway fight ever in hindsight, right, Like,

745
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 3: I think that you got to look at what he

746
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 3: accomplished in that fight, and yeah, like like you said,

747
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 3: DC just kind of let let the moment go. And

748
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 3: I think one thing that is kind of in the

749
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 3: court of Moreno for whether or not he gets a rematch,

750
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 3: is that Jason House represents both him and Roival. So

751
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 3: you know, I don't think that they're going to push

752
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 3: Moreno into an immediate rematch. I think that, you know,

753
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 3: Jason House is probably gonna look at like he thinks

754
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 3: of Moreno as like a son or like a brother,

755
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 3: and I think that he'll probably advise Moreno to just

756
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 3: kind of like, you know, chill for a bit, We'll

757
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 3: make sure that you get the next shot. But I

758
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 3: think that like it is a better idea for him

759
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 3: to kind of just take a little bit of a

760
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 3: step back. Like I don't want to speak for Jason

761
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 3: House or or for Moreno and his team. Maybe Moreno's

762
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 3: like I need to get this one back as soon

763
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 3: as possible. A lot of fighters have that mentality. But personally,

764
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 3: I think royval came. He made the way he did

765
00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:00,719
Speaker 3: his job, and I think that he's earned it and

766
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 3: he should be next personally, But I could certainly see

767
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 3: if the UF he wanted to make that immediate rematch

768
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,280
Speaker 3: that you know, I don't think anybody would be against

769
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 3: that either.

770
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I worry about his long term health a lot

771
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 1: after all of this. I completely echo your thoughts on

772
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: him taking a break again. Whether he will or not,

773
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 1: I simply do not know, but it seems to me

774
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 1: long overdue. Otherwise he simply I mean, this is the

775
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:25,959
Speaker 1: reality he's up against. He can either take time now

776
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,240
Speaker 1: or he's going to shave off years in his career.

777
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 1: I mean, you go back into the fray after one

778
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: of these in quick succession, you just won't have many

779
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: more of them left. The body's capacity for punishment is

780
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: remarkable but finite, and he has made a lot of

781
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:45,720
Speaker 1: He has made a lot of difficulty for his body

782
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 1: to absorb all that trauma in the cage, and I

783
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,760
Speaker 1: think taking some time away is probably in his best interest. Also,

784
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 1: it showed that he had massively closed the gap, because

785
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 1: there was a huge gap. The first time they fought,

786
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: there was a really big gap. The second time there

787
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: was almost no gap at all this time. I mean,

788
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: obviously there were some differences, but he had really showed

789
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: himself to be a pretty incredible improvement. I think a

790
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 1: little bit more time off and that equation might might

791
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: alter altogether. The only thing I want to say is

792
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: on the Pantoja thing you brought up, BC, I really

793
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:17,320
Speaker 1: echo that. I mean that haunted me. I was haunted

794
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: by that. I watched that on Saturday night. I watched

795
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: it Sunday. I couldn't believe the pain he was still

796
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 1: dealing with when he actually uttered it. It was actually

797
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 1: hurtful for him to do that. And I know we

798
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 1: all know this from BC. You've been boxing fan a

799
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:31,879
Speaker 1: long time. You know you know this as well. Like

800
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 1: a lot of these guys who become the very best

801
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 1: prize fighters, who give us so much joy when we

802
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 1: watch them compete. Part of the secret sauce about who

803
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: they are as they come from fucked up backgrounds with

804
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 1: family dysfunction and poverty. And I mean, I hate to

805
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 1: say it, but the thing that in some ways creates

806
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: who they are is this horribly traumatic upbringing. And a

807
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 1: lot of these fighters MMA or boxing, they go into

808
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,399
Speaker 1: combat in combat sports, I should say, as a way

809
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: of like sort of therapeutically fueling it and then finding

810
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: a resolution through it. And I don't know where Pantojia

811
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 1: is in that journey, but Jesus man, that one. I

812
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 1: can't get it out of my head the way he

813
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 1: said that, like, and it felt unrehearsed as well, you

814
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I don't think he I don't

815
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: know if he planned to say that at all. It

816
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 1: just kind of sprung out of him and grabbed you

817
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: and shook you, and it I don't know. I almost

818
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,399
Speaker 1: got a tear in my eye. I really did. Man.

819
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 1: That's why it's hard for me. It's hard to get

820
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:33,919
Speaker 1: me to care about someone like that in that kind

821
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 1: of way. But he did it.

822
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 2: He did it normally, you don't care if he lives

823
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 2: or dies, with.

824
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 3: Zero empathy for anybody.

825
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 2: And finally, finally, look, this is Thomas.

826
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:47,760
Speaker 3: His heart threw three times as big.

827
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 2: I will say. I will say to close on that

828
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 2: whole debate about the future. I know that this happened

829
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 2: in the Vulk versus Holloway rivalry, and there was potential

830
00:36:56,520 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 2: for it to happen again in the Whittaker Uh out

831
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 2: of Son your rivalry. DDP had a big say in

832
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 2: stopping that. But if your team Pantosia, how many more

833
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,320
Speaker 2: times do you have to beat Mareno before the UFC

834
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,359
Speaker 2: stops asking you to right?

835
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: Three times? Already?

836
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 2: Great fight or not? How many more times?

837
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 1: Right?

838
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 2: Like come on, come on now?

839
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 3: And Marino making the same opponent four times twice like yeah,

840
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:20,800
Speaker 3: pretty crazy.

841
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 2: No, it's crazy, it's too much, it's too much.

842
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 1: Although although I'm just gonna say it took easy four times,

843
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 1: I know it's two in kickboxing. I know I'm but

844
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,359
Speaker 1: it took him four times, so you know, we shall see.

845
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,879
Speaker 1: It's not unheard of, all right in that case though,

846
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 1: Topic number three, So let's talk about some of the

847
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 1: other things that happened at UFC two ninety. Speaking of

848
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: our man who called DDP over Whitaker, let's go to

849
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 1: him first on this one. All right, he's on the

850
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: line up. Yeah, exactly, all right, Aaron, So you're not

851
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 1: surprised that he won, because in fact, you thought it

852
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 1: would happen. However, my question is not so much that

853
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: my question is expectations are otherwise just watching the job

854
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: that he did. To me, how impressed you were by DDP?

855
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 3: Oh? Very impressed. I mean, the thing is, I've been

856
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 3: impressed by DDP for a while. Like, I don't know

857
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,839
Speaker 3: if other people just forget his fights because maybe they're

858
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 3: on nights with other big fights. But I've always thought

859
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 3: Drake's Duplac has a ton of skill. He's very well round,

860
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 3: he's got massive power, he's got good wrestling, he's got

861
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 3: good wrestling defense, he's got good submissions. Like, there's not

862
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 3: much that his game lacks. I was not surprised by

863
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 3: this at all. And the thing that really sold me

864
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 3: on Duple A C in this fight is while Whittaker

865
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 3: is such a master of all trades, he's so good everywhere.

866
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 3: The one thing that has been shaky with Whittaker is

867
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 3: when he faces power like he gets rocks in fights,

868
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 3: and I just didn't think DP would let him off

869
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 3: the hook if he touched that chin and he didn't.

870
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 3: That that's what I expected to happen. I thought that

871
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 3: if DDP would hit him, I personally I thought it

872
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 3: was finish a bust for DDP. And I think I

873
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 3: might have been wrong on that, because DUP place he

874
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 3: won that first round, which is difficult to do against

875
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,320
Speaker 3: the guy like Whittaker, to win a first round against

876
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 3: the guy who's just so good and it's difficult to

877
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 3: get reads on. But I just thought that as soon

878
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 3: as DDP connected at some point that he wasn't gonna

879
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 3: let Rob off the hook. And that's exactly what happened,

880
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 3: all right.

881
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:10,879
Speaker 2: If it came down to size and power and your

882
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 2: prediction on this, Aaron, I would understand it. But here's

883
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 2: why I don't necessarily understand for people like you and Jed,

884
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 2: who came out and said, man, I'm picking this again.

885
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 2: If it's just size and power and you thought he'd

886
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 2: get there, that's fine. Part of this equation on me

887
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 2: not giving DDP a chance almost you know, comically and

888
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 2: saying I don't, I literally don't give him a chance.

889
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 2: That's that's more theatric. Obviously he's big enough, he deserves

890
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 2: to be a contender. But Aaron, we gotta be honest

891
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,399
Speaker 2: here when people DM me after the fact and be like, BC,

892
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 2: how did you not you know see that this could

893
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 2: come because we haven't seen him slow down, we haven't

894
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:48,359
Speaker 2: seen him fight with patients poise care. Really it's been

895
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 2: full speed ahead at all times, which certainly has grayed

896
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 2: the idea of how good his fight IQ might be,

897
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:58,800
Speaker 2: how much he can do things like figure out distance

898
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 2: and work on technique and stuff. But when what we

899
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 2: have seen before this has been so much of just

900
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 2: kind of reckless. You just can't do that against Robert Whittaker.

901
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 2: Only he wasn't reckless. He perfectly married together thought, care, technique, concern,

902
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 2: all of that with monster power and a huge size advantage.

903
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 2: How did you know he was gonna be I mean

904
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 2: gonna be able to kind of switch gears and do

905
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:25,320
Speaker 2: this at this level?

906
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 3: Well, I just I haven't seen any reason why he couldn't. Like, well,

907
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 3: what is there to suggest that he couldn't have had

908
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 3: that performance?

909
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 2: Robert Whitaker?

910
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but you're looking at one guy you're not

911
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 3: looking at the other guy. And I think that's what

912
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 3: everybody's problem was. Was Robert Whiticker so good? It's like, well,

913
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 3: duplay c is too, and he's proven that time and

914
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 3: time again, right like from a x's and those standpoint,

915
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 3: Like what is Whittaker gonna be able to do to

916
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 3: due play see that du place can't handle? Like that

917
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 3: was all my thought on it. Is like I think

918
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 3: he's probably gonna be faster than du place see, but

919
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,399
Speaker 3: that's not new to Drake his Duplaces. He's beaten guys

920
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 3: that are faster. In fact, I think a lot of

921
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 3: guys in the division are faster than him. But I

922
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 3: just didn't see that big of a gap between the

923
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 3: two fighters from what I had seen from duplece see

924
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 3: and knowing that Whittaker had a lot of miles on

925
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 3: him and that he's had his chin cracked before. I

926
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 3: respect Robert Whittaker like crazy. The guy's such a good fighter,

927
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 3: and he became champion at such a young age, and

928
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,720
Speaker 3: he's gotten better even since becoming champion. He really pushed

929
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 3: Israel to the limits in their last fight. But I

930
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 3: just never thought that, like I always thought Duplacey was

931
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 3: really good, and like, I mean, I didn't see anything

932
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:31,959
Speaker 3: in Duplacey's game where I was like, Yeah, Robert Wittkcker

933
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 3: is gonna be able to exploit that for sure, and

934
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 3: in the three round fight, especially when dup Plac can

935
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 3: utilize those those big power movements without worrying about slowing down.

936
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 3: Not to mention the fact that he got surgery on

937
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,320
Speaker 3: his nose that seemingly has allowed him to breathe a

938
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 3: lot better. When I asked him after the fight because

939
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 3: he was still brething through his mouth during the fighter, go,

940
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 3: you were still breeding through your mouth for like the

941
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 3: first and second round of that fight. He was like,

942
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 3: oh was I He's like, I have never felt that

943
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 3: fush in the second round in my life. I've never

944
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 3: felt better. And he's like, I could feel Whittaker slowing

945
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 3: down while I still had full and he's like, I'm

946
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 3: not used to that.

947
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 1: I want to meet you guys halfway. I want to

948
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: meet you halfway, which is I mean, when we are

949
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 1: as wrong as we were, we need to be very

950
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:15,439
Speaker 1: careful about like our own biases that got us into

951
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: the wrong place. And so I want to do that

952
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 1: here with you Air And you ask like what things

953
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: would you see? I mean, listen, how many times have

954
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: you ever seen Robert Whitaker go for a takedown fail

955
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: and then the guy falls on top of him, Like

956
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: you've never seen that? Like when you're asking like what

957
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 1: we see in Dricis's game, there's a few things, like

958
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 1: some of his mechanics are bad. Sometimes his takedowns are

959
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,359
Speaker 1: too physical and not technical enough, and then they end

960
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 1: up not working. Like he's got a little bit of

961
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:43,439
Speaker 1: a spas in him at times that I think we have.

962
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 1: The error that we made is not pretending that he

963
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: doesn't spas. Sometimes the error is in overstating its importance.

964
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 1: And I think here was the big one for me.

965
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: I underestimated just how much better he was going to get.

966
00:42:56,120 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 1: So I want to be you know, like no is perfect, right,

967
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 1: Like of course they're going to be things that they're

968
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: not great at. But two things you brought up that

969
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 1: really stand out to me. One was, Jesus dude, Drickis

970
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 1: is an absolute bull in this weight class. He is

971
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:16,720
Speaker 1: so physically sturdy, so physically strong and technical on the ground.

972
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: He was a handful for Robert Whittaker. But I think

973
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 1: something else I noticed in this fight really needs to

974
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: be brought to light, which is Drickis is an Orthodox fighter,

975
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: and there were times he was fighting an Orthodox but

976
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,800
Speaker 1: the vast majority of this time he fought at Southpaw,

977
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 1: and there was very clear reason for that. In fact,

978
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: the reason that the fight kind of the beginning of

979
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 1: the end happened on a jab was quite intentional. They

980
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,879
Speaker 1: had Dude Drickis and his team this is the big one.

981
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:49,760
Speaker 1: They diagnosed everything Drickis needed to do. They understood Robert

982
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:54,359
Speaker 1: Whittaker's game perfectly. They came up with an excellent game

983
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 1: plan which he utilized to the absolute fullest extent. Going

984
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 1: south pawd neutralized that jab completely, blocking all of his

985
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:04,959
Speaker 1: blitzes completely getting out of the way of the vast

986
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 1: majory of that stuff. He ran into trouble over committing

987
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 1: at first early but I sent a graphic to the

988
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 1: boys in the back. Do they have it yet? If

989
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 1: you have it, put it on the screen. I want

990
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: to show it to you. This is something I saw

991
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 1: in the numbers a little bit in the tape study

992
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,240
Speaker 1: for this one. Do we have it? Yeah? There it is. Okay, boys,

993
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: look at this. All you have to pay attention to

994
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 1: is the red bar chart for Robert Whittaker, where it

995
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: says landed by targets seventy four percent of the head,

996
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 1: six percent of the body, nineteen percent to the leg.

997
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 1: So I looked up all of Robert Whittaker's numbers. They

998
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,720
Speaker 1: almost always look like this. Three fourths of his shots

999
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 1: go to the head, single digits to the body, and

1000
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 1: maybe fifteen to twenty five percent on the leg. Why

1001
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,800
Speaker 1: do I bring this up Because Dricis had a high

1002
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 1: guard with his hands around his head, retreating the entire time,

1003
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 1: and Robert Whittaker couldn't hit shit. Everything he was throwing

1004
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 1: got blocked, parried, rolled with, caught, you name it. And

1005
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 1: so there were times I remember where Drickis walks forward

1006
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:03,959
Speaker 1: and gets his head popped. Yes, but how many times

1007
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 1: do you remember him doing this retreating and Whittaker just

1008
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 1: kind of landing on top of the guard dude. Between

1009
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 1: the south paust stance neutralized in the jab, between the

1010
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 1: good defense and all the other stuff that went into this,

1011
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: Drickis had a much better game plan than Robert Whittaker.

1012
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 1: I cannot believe I'm saying this, but it's matter of

1013
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:26,799
Speaker 1: factly true. They did a bang up job never saw

1014
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 1: that coming. Completely earned my respect, and hey, wrong as

1015
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: wrong could be happy to learn my lesson about it.

1016
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was using the shell defense to perfection. And

1017
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,800
Speaker 3: like you pointed out, Luke, if you're seeing single digit

1018
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,240
Speaker 3: percentage going to the body, that's why the shell defense

1019
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 3: will fail you is if people start going to the

1020
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 3: body on you, they pick up on that pattern and

1021
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 3: they start to hit you to the body when you

1022
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 3: bring the shell defense in. Because the shell defense is

1023
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 3: meant almost solely to protect the head, you can use

1024
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 3: your elbows, of course to protect the body shots, but

1025
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 3: they still sting. I asked them those two questions after

1026
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 3: when I spoke to Drac's backstage, I said, Southpas. I

1027
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,320
Speaker 3: asked them about going south. He said, our team noticed

1028
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 3: a bunch of tendencies where he would get rocked by

1029
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 3: South pop fighters and he had trouble against South Pop fighters.

1030
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 3: They diagnosed that, and I said, I thought the biggest

1031
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 3: growth to your game this time around with your defense.

1032
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 3: I thought his defense looked impeccable, and he said they

1033
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 3: were really working on that as well, So you know,

1034
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 3: I think you're right. I think that they really had

1035
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 3: a solid game plan for Robert Whitaker from watching a

1036
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 3: lot of tape breaking down his tendencies, noticing what you

1037
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 3: noticed there in terms of the statistics, and we talk

1038
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 3: about UFC stats and a lot of people say the

1039
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 3: stats don't matter. Those kind of stats are very important

1040
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:33,359
Speaker 3: when you're trying to learn about and this is what

1041
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 3: you've talked about in the past, Looke. In terms of stats,

1042
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 3: it's like it gives you a feel for the fighter

1043
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 3: and their style and what their tendencies are. While stats

1044
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 3: aren't the ba all end all when it comes to

1045
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 3: how fighters scored or who want to fight, et cetera,

1046
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,319
Speaker 3: they do tell a story in terms of a fighter style,

1047
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 3: and I think that they picked up on this. That

1048
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,720
Speaker 3: kind of pattern recognition is very important in learning about

1049
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 3: different fighters and figuring out what their weaknesses are.

1050
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 2: I mean, him and his team are way smarter than

1051
00:46:58,280 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 2: we had that we gave him credit coming in, And

1052
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:03,399
Speaker 2: I wonder listen closely to the dp's postfight comments if

1053
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 2: some of those earlier matchups where I was fooled watching him,

1054
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 2: I think he kind of came in with the idea

1055
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 2: I'm bigger than everybody, I'm strong, i can get punches off.

1056
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 2: I want to act the bully. Maybe that was some

1057
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 2: of the I was deceived by that he acted the

1058
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 2: bully in matchups that he knew he could this time around,

1059
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 2: he said, he knew he couldn't get away with that

1060
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 2: type of stuff against Whittaker's speed and accuracy and footwork.

1061
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:26,959
Speaker 2: But the fact that they then, like Luke said, made

1062
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 2: that adjustment carved out a new game plan switch stances.

1063
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 2: This guy is not only incredibly smart, I've got to

1064
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 2: give him a lot of credit in this other category mentally,

1065
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 2: just not just the IQ, the discipline, the confidence he

1066
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 2: thoroughly has impressed me on how he has handled himself

1067
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,399
Speaker 2: in a lot of key moments here would show us that, yeah,

1068
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 2: he's not only ready for prime time, he's like prepared

1069
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 2: to take it over. So Aaron, with that in mind,

1070
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 2: you actually picked him to be a living legend and

1071
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 2: a former champion of Robert Whittaker. What type of legitimate

1072
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 2: chances would you give him against Israel otis Sonia.

1073
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 3: I think it's a very legitimate chance. I mean, I

1074
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,760
Speaker 3: don't know how he's going to react if Israel sniping

1075
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 3: and picking him part in Israel. I think is a

1076
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 3: much more difficult guy to project than Robert Whitaker in

1077
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 3: terms of what he's going to bring because they always

1078
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,760
Speaker 3: have such a good strategy over the City Kickboxing Team.

1079
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 3: So but at the same time, I don't see how

1080
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 3: you can write Drake as deep dupe I see off

1081
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 3: because if you thought that Vittori had a chance against

1082
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,760
Speaker 3: Israel because of his wrestling, which he barely utilized against Israel,

1083
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 3: then I think you got to imagine that a more

1084
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 3: diverse fighter who switches stances, who's good from both South

1085
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 3: Pot and Orthodox, who's good with takedoms, there's good with submissions.

1086
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:37,240
Speaker 3: I think that he can give Israel a lot of problems.

1087
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 1: Where do you come down on the uh? Oh sorry,

1088
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 1: be see if you got one more please.

1089
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 2: You're going the same way I'm going here, Luke. I

1090
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 2: was going to ask Aaron who he thought, you know,

1091
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 2: is the real African Champion? But why don't you set

1092
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:49,359
Speaker 2: it up? All right?

1093
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:53,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's three white guys all from North America. Who's

1094
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: the North Who's the African Champion? I wonder, uh, I

1095
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: will ask this, you know. Dana was like, yeah, who

1096
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: cares if it? You know, he for some reason he

1097
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 1: couldn't understand how there'd be racial undertones, which is like, Okay,

1098
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 1: I mean we need to explain that, but I guess

1099
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:10,399
Speaker 1: we forget that. I'll ask a different question, rather, do

1100
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:13,359
Speaker 1: you worry about the tenor of the fight promotion could

1101
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 1: take not so much from the UFC authoring it. I

1102
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 1: don't mean that, but just the way in which all

1103
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,800
Speaker 1: of these things could be weaponized in any direction.

1104
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 3: Well, listen, a lot of people are very uncomfortable with

1105
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 3: what happened after the fight. But it's a very uncomfortable situation,

1106
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,479
Speaker 3: and we have three ways of approaching this. You've got

1107
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 3: Dana White's way, which is like, it's a fight. People

1108
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 3: are gonna talk, they're gonna say all kinds of stuff,

1109
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 3: and it's the fight game, and you know it's all

1110
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 3: fair game. Then there's number two, where people are like,

1111
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 3: Israel shouldn't be saying stop, Why are you making this

1112
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 3: into a racial situation? Makes me very uncomfortable. And then

1113
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 3: there's the third way you can approach is like, we

1114
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 3: are uncomfortable because apartheid is uncomfortable. Colonialism is uncomfortable, right,

1115
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:56,319
Speaker 3: Like there are generations of you know, hurt and segregation

1116
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 3: and all these things that happened in South Africa, and

1117
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 3: you can't pin that on Drake, but I mean Dracus

1118
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 3: is an Afrikaans fighter. And again, if you look at

1119
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 3: the history of South Africa and what black people had

1120
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 3: to overcome, like they had a social status situation like

1121
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:14,799
Speaker 3: it was in a like legal like that was part

1122
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 3: of their legislation where it was like ordered like white

1123
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 3: people were here, then you had like Indian people, you

1124
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 3: had people categorized as like people of color, and then

1125
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 3: you had black people. And that was the way that

1126
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 3: the government had structured things in apartheid South Africa.

1127
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:29,760
Speaker 1: Right, Like we're.

1128
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 3: Talking about like generations of hurt, of segregation, of racism

1129
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 3: that Israel is carrying with them into this fight. So yes,

1130
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:39,799
Speaker 3: when he's saying stuff like that, it's very uncomfortable. And

1131
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 3: if you want to look into the history of South Africa,

1132
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 3: which again it's not today's South Africa, but if you know,

1133
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 3: at the same time, if you look at the wealth

1134
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 3: gap and you look at employment rates, it certainly doesn't

1135
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 3: seem like that is a problem that has been fixed.

1136
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 3: It's a problem that's been addressed. We've had apologies from

1137
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 3: public figures in South Africa, but when you look at

1138
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 3: the history there and you have Drake is saying, you know,

1139
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 3: I'm the real African champion, and then he goes on

1140
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 3: to clarify what I mean by that is I'm the

1141
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 3: only champion that actually trains in Africa, which is you know,

1142
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 3: it's fair, it's true. But when you have somebody say that,

1143
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 3: and then you have a fighter from Nigeria who knows

1144
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 3: the history of South Africa and knows about segregation and apartheid,

1145
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 3: and you know the I guess the racial structures that

1146
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 3: I had mentioned before. It is uncomfortable. We're supposed to

1147
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 3: be uncomfortable in this situation because we're talking about something

1148
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 3: that is very uncomfortable. So you can choose to be

1149
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 3: uncomfortable and say this has no place here. You can

1150
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 3: choose to ignore it and say, hey, this is just

1151
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 3: a fight game and these guys are going to try

1152
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:42,320
Speaker 3: to get in each other's heads and it's mental warfare.

1153
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 3: Or you can say, well, this is meant to be uncomfortable.

1154
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 3: Here's why it's meant to be uncomfortable, and we should

1155
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:50,360
Speaker 3: learn more about this and understand why it's uncomfortable. I

1156
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 3: think those are really the three avenues that you can

1157
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:53,720
Speaker 3: take when looking at this particular fight.

1158
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 2: Okay, But Aaron, what I want to know from you,

1159
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 2: and you know, we asked the hard questions here is

1160
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 2: which avenue are you taking as Canadian white guy? Because

1161
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:04,799
Speaker 2: when I do rewatch that head to head with them

1162
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 2: a couple of times, it's uncomfortable as shit. And I

1163
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 2: do have to give DDP credit if you look at

1164
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 2: the amended comments that he originally made that set this off,

1165
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:16,799
Speaker 2: he's actually not the guy that's pushing the race card

1166
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 2: it is is he completely? What is actually your opinion.

1167
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:21,959
Speaker 1: Should that's not true?

1168
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:23,880
Speaker 3: I'm gonna disagree with that too, just because when you

1169
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 3: say I'm the real African champion. I know he's clarified it,

1170
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 3: but when you first say that, how do you expect

1171
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 3: Israel to react to that?

1172
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 1: Right?

1173
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 3: Like again, I don't think that he necessarily meant a

1174
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 3: lot of harm by saying it. But at the same time,

1175
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 3: like I said, he's an Afrikaans fighter from South Africa,

1176
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 3: where there's a history of colonialism and there's a history

1177
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 3: of apartheid. Like again, the avenue that I'm choosing is

1178
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 3: to learn about why this is uncomfortable, and I think

1179
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:52,280
Speaker 3: that that is the way that if you're a critical

1180
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 3: thinker you would approach this. Why is this uncomfortable? Why

1181
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 3: is this a subject that's being used to create animosity

1182
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 3: between these two fighters, Because at the end of the day,

1183
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:02,399
Speaker 3: I think that after this fight is said and done,

1184
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 3: these guys shake hands, they hug, they have respect for

1185
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 3: each other. We saw how Israel was with Gastlin, We've

1186
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 3: seen how Israel has been with Perrero, we saw how

1187
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 3: Israel was with John Jones. This is the fight game.

1188
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:13,839
Speaker 3: People will use things in any way, shape or form

1189
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 3: in order to mentally throw off their opponent and to

1190
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 3: make things uncomfortable for them and to make them have

1191
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 3: to think it through. And I asked Dracus about it

1192
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 3: after the fight. I said, are you gonna let these

1193
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 3: mental history onics get to you? And he said, I

1194
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 3: don't care who he goes. I don't care if Israel

1195
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 3: the champion he goes. I don't care who the champion is.

1196
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 3: My goal is to beat them and to become the

1197
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 3: greatest of all time. So he's kind of brushing it off.

1198
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 3: But at the same time you have to imagine, like

1199
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 3: this is where Drake's duplay. He has grown up. He

1200
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 3: knows what it's like in South Africa. He understands the

1201
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:44,319
Speaker 3: dynamic and he has black training partners, right Like, it's

1202
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 3: not like this guy is necessarily, you know, trying to

1203
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 3: make this into something that's racial. But at the same time,

1204
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 3: he's from South Africa, right Like, we have to acknowledge

1205
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 3: that there's a history here that ended in like nineteen

1206
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 3: ninety two, Like we're not talking we're talking twenty Like

1207
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 3: what thirty years a go. Well, look it's still very

1208
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 3: fresh and Dracus isn't thirty years old yet, but he

1209
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 3: has to know that that's where the country he lives,

1210
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 3: and he lives in Pretoria, which has one of the

1211
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 3: biggest white populations in South Africa, which is a predominantly

1212
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 3: black country in terms of population. So again you can

1213
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:19,840
Speaker 3: ignore it and again three approaches. You can ignore it

1214
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 3: and say it's part of the fight game that these

1215
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:23,280
Speaker 3: guys are going to talk trash, that's just mental warfare.

1216
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 3: You can say I don't want them talking about this

1217
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:28,320
Speaker 3: at all, or you can say, why is this subject,

1218
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 3: Why is this something that's being talked about, and why

1219
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 3: is this uncomfortable? And that's where I fall into this.

1220
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 3: That's the part that I believe is the category that

1221
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 3: I fall under, which is like let's learn about why

1222
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 3: this is such an issue, why is this being used

1223
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 3: in such a way, and it's such a vitriolic way

1224
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 3: that Israel has and Israel might be using this as

1225
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 3: fuel to make him dislike Dracus Moore because he's going

1226
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 3: to be.

1227
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:58,959
Speaker 1: Well, no doubt, Aaron, we lost you there for a second.

1228
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 1: Check your Michael. We'll come back to just a second,

1229
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:01,839
Speaker 1: b C. If you got a response, it's here.

1230
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. I want to respond to that, and I appreciate

1231
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:06,439
Speaker 2: Aaron articulated that at the level he did to show

1232
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:09,320
Speaker 2: where he does stand on that. But Luke almost separate

1233
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 2: from the idea of who's right, who's wrong? Should this

1234
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 2: be in here? This race infusion and the stairdown they

1235
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 2: had on Saturday along with the real part about that

1236
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 2: stare down, The intensity no matter where it comes from,

1237
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 2: that intensity is freaking You could feel it coming through

1238
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 2: the screen. Dude. This has the potential to be a

1239
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:32,359
Speaker 2: monster build. There's no question about that. So I think

1240
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:35,399
Speaker 2: the discussion does belong next on where should this fight

1241
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 2: land location wise? And look, they never shied away from

1242
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 2: the Dolly going through the window and Connor Abib there's

1243
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 2: gonna be some level of leaning into this because this

1244
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 2: is it. This is what this fight is about, for

1245
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:50,280
Speaker 2: better or worse. There's some gross elements. I said before

1246
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:52,279
Speaker 2: this fight, I didn't want DDP to winn because didn't

1247
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 2: want to go down this Holmes Cooney boxing road. But

1248
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 2: Aaron did put it into some respectable terms. Look, how

1249
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 2: big is could this fight be? Straight up? Whether you

1250
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 2: care about the angles or not, this feels like it

1251
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 2: could be like real big big.

1252
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:06,920
Speaker 1: We talked about it on Saturday. You could put the

1253
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 1: fight in South Africa. Again. I don't know what the

1254
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:11,759
Speaker 1: UFC's willingness or readiness is for something like that, but

1255
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 1: it would do well there. You could take it back

1256
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 1: to New Zealand. I don't know if Izzy wants that,

1257
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:17,319
Speaker 1: but it could be big there. You could certainly put

1258
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 1: it in Australia and kill And of course one of

1259
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:21,279
Speaker 1: the bigger ones you could also do is just take

1260
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 1: it to Abu Dhabi where there could be a lot

1261
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 1: of folks from South Africa or other neighboring places who

1262
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:27,799
Speaker 1: could come by and check it out. Hell, you could

1263
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 1: even put it in Masson Square Garden. It would still

1264
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 1: be pretty great. At is He I think really turned

1265
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 1: a corner against Padeta in his last bout. So I

1266
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 1: think that's big. But I want to make one more

1267
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,320
Speaker 1: point if I maybe see not even about Drake is

1268
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 1: not even about Izzy, which I realized this is at

1269
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 1: the center of the conflict when I don't I'm with

1270
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:47,319
Speaker 1: you that I don't think he necessarily intended in any

1271
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:50,239
Speaker 1: way to like I'm the white guy and therefore the

1272
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 1: real black panther like, of course he's not doing that.

1273
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 1: I don't really believe that at all. I think he

1274
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 1: was trying to say, like, I am a guy who

1275
00:56:57,360 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 1: stayed here, I am a guy who lives here. I'm

1276
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 1: a guy who this is all I know. Shouldn't I

1277
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 1: be able to, you know, magnify that when I'm on

1278
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:08,280
Speaker 1: a big stage. And the answer is, of course he should.

1279
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:11,799
Speaker 1: But like, let's talk about Francis and Ganu in Cameroon, right,

1280
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 1: Why does Francis and gan who speak French, and why

1281
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 1: is Cameroon a fucking disaster? Right? Colonization destroyed Cameroon destroyed it,

1282
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 1: destroyed it. Okay, there's just no other way to say it. Now.

1283
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:27,920
Speaker 1: Of course, there have been other actors in the space

1284
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 1: who have not necessarily changed Cameroon's fortunes. But there's simply

1285
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 1: no way to understand the modern dilapidated state of Cameroon

1286
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 1: without understanding the role that French colonialization plays in it,

1287
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 1: not just previously but even to today. Okay, why do

1288
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 1: you think he had to leave that place after working

1289
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 1: in the minds to get out and cross the desert?

1290
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 1: Does anyone actually in their mind really believe that he

1291
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 1: wanted to leave his family, He wanted to leave his people,

1292
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 1: he wanted to go on this treacherous journey that had

1293
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 1: taken the lives of thousands of people just like him

1294
00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 1: before and then sleep on the streets of pay and

1295
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 1: then find his way into a gym like Does anyone

1296
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 1: think he wanted that? No? No, he got forced into

1297
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:09,919
Speaker 1: it because the place he came from got wrecked by

1298
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 1: a European power. That's why. So it's very easy to be,

1299
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 1: to to Aaron's point, to be the descendant of Afrikaans people,

1300
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 1: the Dutch basically in South Africa and say hey, I've

1301
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 1: been here my whole life. He should be proud of that,

1302
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 1: But there are a lot of people who are not

1303
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 1: in Africa anymore who wanted to be from there and

1304
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 1: simply couldn't because it was no life for them, and

1305
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 1: a lot of those reasons have to do inextricably with

1306
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 1: the role colonialization plays in that continent. Saying I've been

1307
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 1: here this whole time, and I'm the guy who stood here. Yeah, dude,

1308
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 1: you had a real different experience than other people like

1309
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 1: Francis and Gan who having a little respect for that

1310
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 1: I think is in order. All right, all right, I mean,

1311
00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 1: so what's the deal with Aaron? Is he? Uh?

1312
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 2: Aaron Kitty, Let's me check your phone, check the zoom

1313
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 2: chat here. Let's try to get to the conclusion of

1314
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 2: these tech issues here. But thank you for your patience.

1315
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 2: Just the same, all.

1316
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 1: Right, his mic isn't working. We'll come back to him

1317
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 1: when it does. BC. For the moment, let's carry this through. BC.

1318
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 1: We talked a little bit about this on Saturday, and

1319
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 1: I did my extra credit on it. Give me a

1320
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 1: grade for the UFC sendoff of Robbie Lawler, dude.

1321
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 2: A plus. I mean I almost want to go a

1322
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 2: plus plus. And you can certainly argue that to the

1323
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 2: idea of is this the best sendoff ever? Well, no,

1324
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 2: it isn't. Because Amanda Nuna has just won a championship

1325
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 2: fight and went away on her own terms with two

1326
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 2: belts and her family dancing around here drinking beers, having

1327
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:45,200
Speaker 2: the time of their lives. But separate from that, I

1328
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 2: think the greatest thing Dana White said this week about

1329
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 2: Robbie when he was constantly asked about Robbie's legacy and

1330
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 2: the whole idea of doing this fight is look, not

1331
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:58,440
Speaker 2: only does he had this incredibly long career, like twenty

1332
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:00,920
Speaker 2: three years as a pro and started before nine to

1333
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:04,000
Speaker 2: eleven and fought in every major organization he could for

1334
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 2: the most part, had multiple runs in the UFC. He's

1335
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 2: still here in the UFC at forty one, even though

1336
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 2: it's been what eight years since he's won uf since

1337
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:18,160
Speaker 2: he since he's worn UFC gold. That speaks a lot

1338
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 2: to longevity, consistency, and still being able to do this.

1339
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:25,000
Speaker 2: And then when you have a sendoff in which he

1340
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 2: like we thought, bare bones, whether Robbie was gonna win

1341
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 2: or lose, look great or not, he was gonna get

1342
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:33,360
Speaker 2: sent off the way he always handles himself in an

1343
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 2: absolute war, entertain us, win or lose, you go home.

1344
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 2: Thanks for playing Robbie Lawler. No, he commandeered the situation,

1345
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:44,000
Speaker 2: took what was it a minute, I mean took you know,

1346
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:47,440
Speaker 2: no time at all and absolutely knocked this guy cold

1347
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 2: with big combination punches. And this is where you got

1348
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 2: to give the UFC credit, and we did late Saturday night.

1349
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:55,600
Speaker 2: It was on ABC. By the way, it goes to commercial,

1350
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 2: they come back, video package, ready to go, then the interview.

1351
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 2: This is this is what you almost never get in

1352
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 2: the combat game, largely because of how violent and unforgiving

1353
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 2: this sport is. Where it's rare you can sort of

1354
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 2: commandeer your own chance at carrying out a legacy this way,

1355
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 2: but then you also have to step up and deliver

1356
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 2: the way Robbie did on ABC right before the start

1357
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:20,160
Speaker 2: of this huge pay per view. I mean, that's as

1358
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:25,560
Speaker 2: great as he gets, and it's due to Robbie's longevity, consistency, character,

1359
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:27,800
Speaker 2: all of that. But then he also stepped up in

1360
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:30,640
Speaker 2: the moment like Kobe scoring sixty in his last NBA

1361
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:32,960
Speaker 2: game and just sort of ted Williams in his last

1362
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:36,320
Speaker 2: at bat and delivered on top of that. Wow for

1363
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 2: short of a world title at stake here short of

1364
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 2: GSP by with JSP didn't get the send off after

1365
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:44,480
Speaker 2: bisping that he deserved because he'd actually retire in that

1366
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 2: moment and lingered for years of is he gonna come

1367
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:50,280
Speaker 2: back or not? But the only comparison for Robbi Lawler

1368
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:53,200
Speaker 2: is what Amandelwnas just did in terms of how great

1369
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 2: can it get going out? That's it right there, man,

1370
01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:57,520
Speaker 2: loved it, loved loved it.

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01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 1: Let's bring in Let's bring in Abron back here for

1372
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 1: just a little bit longer. Appreciate your time, eron. I

1373
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:04,160
Speaker 1: know you got some things to do, so let's just

1374
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:06,880
Speaker 1: ask the same question to you. You were there. We

1375
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 1: thought it was remarkable on television. Give me a grade

1376
01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 1: for how well everything went for Robbi Lawler send off

1377
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 1: and in particular the way the UFC handled it. Give

1378
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 1: me a grade.

1379
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:17,800
Speaker 3: Oh dude, it was an A plus. And you know,

1380
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 3: I spoke to a lot of UFC bass back stage

1381
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 3: and said to them, like all the newspapers in the

1382
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:25,400
Speaker 3: world write obituaries in advance, and obviously it's not an obituary,

1383
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 3: but I think that if you have packages prepared for

1384
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:30,240
Speaker 3: fighters in the instance, I mean, they knew he was

1385
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 3: going to retire, which is different. But if you had

1386
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 3: an Amanda Nunez package ready to go, wouldn't that have

1387
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:37,200
Speaker 3: added so much to her retirement that you can just

1388
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:38,520
Speaker 3: put I mean, all you do is you keep it

1389
01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:40,400
Speaker 3: in your system, you pull it up. If you have

1390
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:42,640
Speaker 3: an inkling that a fighter might be retiring, I think

1391
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:44,840
Speaker 3: that it's really important that you can send them off

1392
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:46,520
Speaker 3: with the same kind of tribute if they send Robbi

1393
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:48,440
Speaker 3: Lawler off with. I mean, but yeah, I mean, that

1394
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:50,400
Speaker 3: might be one of the all time great retirements in

1395
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 3: the sport. It was the fastest finish he's had in

1396
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:55,280
Speaker 3: his UFC Slash Strike Force career. He had a faster

1397
01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:58,440
Speaker 3: finish back in Pride. But at the same time, like

1398
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:01,560
Speaker 3: what an absolutely radible way for Robbie Lawler to go

1399
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:04,600
Speaker 3: out in this sport. He goes to the Hall of

1400
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:06,720
Speaker 3: Fame in the same week, Like, there's just nothing that

1401
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:08,240
Speaker 3: could have made it better, Like, can you think of

1402
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:10,240
Speaker 3: a single thing that would have made that a better retirement?

1403
01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 3: I can't think of, not nothing unless you have like

1404
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:15,240
Speaker 3: maybe you have like Mattthews and Jen's pulver you could

1405
01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:17,520
Speaker 3: bring into the cage afterwards, Like maybe that could have

1406
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 3: made it a little bit better. But I mean, I

1407
01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:20,800
Speaker 3: can't think of anything else.

1408
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 2: Somebody in their their chest like something. That's the only

1409
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:26,520
Speaker 2: way it could escalate it, Aaron. To be honest, you know.

1410
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:29,800
Speaker 1: What I mean, Like just just a wet T shirt

1411
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:31,200
Speaker 1: cut because he's like, you know, would have made it better.

1412
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:33,000
Speaker 1: A wet T shirt contest right in the middle.

1413
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:37,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and tits. That's about it, Aaron. I'm sorry I would.

1414
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:39,400
Speaker 1: I will say this. I thought one little production detail

1415
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 1: was so smart was when they were so I mean,

1416
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:43,960
Speaker 1: I don't know what your situation was there, Aaron, but

1417
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:46,440
Speaker 1: like watching at home, so on the broadcast feed, we

1418
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:48,720
Speaker 1: can see the highlight reel and then in the corner

1419
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:52,880
Speaker 1: you see Robbie's reaction to him watching the highlight reel

1420
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 1: and he can't even keep it together. Dude. There was

1421
01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:58,760
Speaker 1: like all these little finely tuned notes. Man, Like, when

1422
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:03,520
Speaker 1: the UFC really leans into this kind of thing, they're

1423
01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:05,960
Speaker 1: tough to beat. Man, They're really tough to beat when

1424
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:09,520
Speaker 1: they when they leverage all of their power, they can

1425
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:12,200
Speaker 1: do remarkable things. And I feel like we should say that.

1426
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:14,000
Speaker 3: Well, I'll just say I watch it the same way

1427
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:15,600
Speaker 3: as you do. When I'm at the arena. I'm always

1428
01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:17,040
Speaker 3: in the back just watching it on a TV. So

1429
01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:19,080
Speaker 3: I got the same experience as you did. I mean,

1430
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:20,960
Speaker 3: obviously I'm in the buildings, was a little bit escalated,

1431
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:23,520
Speaker 3: but yeah, I asked Robbi about that. I said, like,

1432
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 3: I could tell that you were really trying hard to

1433
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:27,160
Speaker 3: keep it together and then they showed that package and

1434
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:28,959
Speaker 3: you just kind of like lost it. And he was like, yeah,

1435
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:31,080
Speaker 3: you know, I really do try to keep it together.

1436
01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 3: And you know, I wasn't looking to get emotional, but

1437
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:37,080
Speaker 3: like sometimes he gets kind of swept up in the moment,

1438
01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:39,000
Speaker 3: and we know how Robbie is, like Robbie's always been,

1439
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:41,960
Speaker 3: you know, I hate to say a little bit robotic,

1440
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:44,000
Speaker 3: but I mean it doesn't show a ton of emotion

1441
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:46,120
Speaker 3: really at the best of times. And it was nice.

1442
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:47,640
Speaker 3: It was nice to see him show that kind of

1443
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:50,360
Speaker 3: emotion and kind of a cool thing was like I

1444
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:52,320
Speaker 3: think it was thirty eight seconds into the first round,

1445
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:54,440
Speaker 3: and then in the next fighte Bo Nickel won at

1446
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:56,080
Speaker 3: thirty eight seconds in the first round, and when bo

1447
01:04:56,200 --> 01:04:58,720
Speaker 3: Nickel won, Robbie Lawler kind gave him DAPs in the back.

1448
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:00,080
Speaker 3: It was almost like a passing of the tour. A

1449
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:01,920
Speaker 3: really cool and then when I when I told bon

1450
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:03,760
Speaker 3: Nickel about that, he just thought it was the coolest thing.

1451
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 1: M all right now, speaking of which, let's say, well,

1452
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:07,560
Speaker 1: let me let me just move it to if I

1453
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:08,960
Speaker 1: can BC, because this is the last thing we have

1454
01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:15,240
Speaker 1: for him here, the bon Nickel experience. I mean, did

1455
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:17,640
Speaker 1: we need to see that fight on Saturday? We really

1456
01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:20,400
Speaker 1: didn't need to. I'm glad that he got an opportunity

1457
01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:23,320
Speaker 1: to compete all things, given what they were. I understand

1458
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:25,680
Speaker 1: the UFC has, you know, got terrible choices to make

1459
01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:28,160
Speaker 1: in terms of like trying to fix a problem. But okay,

1460
01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:30,320
Speaker 1: forget that for just a second. What the hell should

1461
01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:32,560
Speaker 1: we do with him next? Like top fifteen or no,

1462
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:33,880
Speaker 1: or what do you think?

1463
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:36,560
Speaker 3: I think there are a lot of good middleweight names

1464
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:38,160
Speaker 3: you can put against him that aren't ranked. I think

1465
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:39,520
Speaker 3: that's kind of the way you want to go. I mean,

1466
01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:41,680
Speaker 3: I think treyshon Gore, you can, you can do a

1467
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:43,640
Speaker 3: little bit of a step up from that, obviously, But

1468
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:44,760
Speaker 3: I think that if you look at some of the

1469
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:46,720
Speaker 3: middleweights in this division, like, there are a lot of

1470
01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:48,520
Speaker 3: fighters that you can put him up against that I

1471
01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:51,280
Speaker 3: think he's going to probably run through fairly easily that

1472
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:53,440
Speaker 3: are more established. Like, I think what you do is

1473
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 3: you try to find an established name in the division

1474
01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:59,400
Speaker 3: that will get him closer to being like facing a

1475
01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:01,360
Speaker 3: ranked opponent, Like I think you just wait and you

1476
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:03,880
Speaker 3: find that next stepping stone for him. I think that

1477
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:06,480
Speaker 3: he needs a step up though, and I mean kudos

1478
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:08,440
Speaker 3: to him, because this was a striking fight and everything

1479
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:10,520
Speaker 3: I had heard about battle Woodburn, like Val Woodburn, had

1480
01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:13,560
Speaker 3: a lot of contemporaries that I spoke to leading up

1481
01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:14,960
Speaker 3: to this fight, and they just kept saying, this guy

1482
01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:18,120
Speaker 3: is violent, he hits hard, he's low to the ground,

1483
01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:19,760
Speaker 3: so it's gonna be tough for bo to take him down.

1484
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:21,640
Speaker 3: And both stood with him and knocked him out. I mean,

1485
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Speaker 3: so that's why we did need to see that, because

1486
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:26,000
Speaker 3: I think that any questions that you have about bon

1487
01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:28,320
Speaker 3: Nickel striking him where he's at kind of answered that

1488
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:29,920
Speaker 3: question too. So I think it is kind of a

1489
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:33,680
Speaker 3: progression from what we've seen in his previous fights, where

1490
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:36,040
Speaker 3: it wasn't just let's take a guy down, dominate him

1491
01:06:36,040 --> 01:06:37,720
Speaker 3: and choke him out like this. This fight took place

1492
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:41,280
Speaker 3: almost entirely on the feet, So I think it wasn't

1493
01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:43,400
Speaker 3: a good to see what bon Nickel can do in

1494
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:46,760
Speaker 3: that facet. And but yeah, I think it's time absolutely

1495
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:48,280
Speaker 3: time for a step up in competition.

1496
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:51,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, this was his third Day and White Contender Series fight.

1497
01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:53,200
Speaker 2: It just turned out to be that way due to circumstance.

1498
01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:54,919
Speaker 3: But well, I mean, you're not wrong not to mention

1499
01:06:55,080 --> 01:06:57,320
Speaker 3: Jamie Pickett, his last opponent with on contendiscaries. What twice

1500
01:06:57,360 --> 01:06:57,920
Speaker 3: or three times?

1501
01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:00,640
Speaker 2: I mean, even though I've argued that a guy like

1502
01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:03,520
Speaker 2: Nickel feels so special that who cares about what we

1503
01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:05,800
Speaker 2: don't know? Let's see him even up to the level

1504
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:07,760
Speaker 2: of the title. If you want to do something crazy,

1505
01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:09,440
Speaker 2: this might be the guy to do it, But I

1506
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:12,120
Speaker 2: think more realistic. Let's find something in between. Give him

1507
01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:14,240
Speaker 2: the number six or seventh thrand guy, like, let's let's

1508
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:16,400
Speaker 2: find out if he can go three rounds and go

1509
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:19,240
Speaker 2: back and forth and you know, make adjustments. It's that time.

1510
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:22,400
Speaker 3: Now give him a boot smuggle madeoff.

1511
01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:25,160
Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean.

1512
01:07:27,160 --> 01:07:28,520
Speaker 3: Muggle made of attached to them. I think.

1513
01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:31,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, But then that that bus is going to gas

1514
01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:32,840
Speaker 2: out in the first round and it is not going

1515
01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:34,960
Speaker 2: to figure out, Aaron. It was very rood of Luke

1516
01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:38,040
Speaker 2: to constantly tell you to table Mexican mma talk and

1517
01:07:38,080 --> 01:07:39,840
Speaker 2: then never bring it up again at the end. And

1518
01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:41,600
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to do that now, but I do

1519
01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:43,920
Speaker 2: have the only question left I care about to ask you.

1520
01:07:44,120 --> 01:07:45,680
Speaker 2: I'm not going to put words in your mouth and

1521
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:49,040
Speaker 2: assume you fully agree with some of the stances I've

1522
01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 2: taken in recent months that this had been a rough

1523
01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:53,120
Speaker 2: year for UFC, not just in a pr way, but

1524
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:56,720
Speaker 2: like what's with the matchmaking? Saturday's card was like a

1525
01:07:57,040 --> 01:07:58,960
Speaker 2: shut the f up. This is how great we can

1526
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:01,880
Speaker 2: be when the aligned right, like they did the best

1527
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:04,680
Speaker 2: job they could to give us a really good card

1528
01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:06,840
Speaker 2: on paper. Even if I argued it wasn't you know

1529
01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:10,280
Speaker 2: what I expect from previous years, dude, it over delivered

1530
01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:15,280
Speaker 2: like incredibly where it created that magic of quick finishes

1531
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:19,000
Speaker 2: and big upsets. Anything can happen. Is this contagious? Do

1532
01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:23,080
Speaker 2: you feel like Saturday's card might start a sea change

1533
01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:26,280
Speaker 2: for twenty twenty three for the UFC From however you

1534
01:08:26,320 --> 01:08:28,080
Speaker 2: want to give him a grade on the first half,

1535
01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:30,080
Speaker 2: this might kick open the door for the second half

1536
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:34,320
Speaker 2: of the year to just be bang bang bang banged,

1537
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:35,400
Speaker 2: Try and stop me.

1538
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:37,960
Speaker 3: Fortyer versus Gaechee coming up at the end of the

1539
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:41,360
Speaker 3: month with a comin event of elect Perira versus Jan Bohova.

1540
01:08:41,400 --> 01:08:43,639
Speaker 3: It's like, let's keep it rolling, man, Like, I think

1541
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:45,559
Speaker 3: that there's a lot of good stuff that can happen. Like,

1542
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:49,120
Speaker 3: probably the most the least eventful fight on this past

1543
01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:51,600
Speaker 3: weekend's card was Tatsuro Tiro against Eduar Shiraz, and that

1544
01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:55,080
Speaker 3: was still a young budding prospect being kind of pushed

1545
01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:57,720
Speaker 3: to his limit by a newcomer to the UFC. Like

1546
01:08:57,720 --> 01:08:59,920
Speaker 3: that still was a good fight, right, Like you can

1547
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:02,160
Speaker 3: argue that Volk versus I hear about Vegas was like

1548
01:09:02,280 --> 01:09:04,439
Speaker 3: the might might have been like the second worst fight

1549
01:09:04,479 --> 01:09:06,880
Speaker 3: on that card, Not to take anything away from them,

1550
01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:08,519
Speaker 3: like it was awesome. It's two high level guys, but

1551
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:11,479
Speaker 3: I mean it was just like crazy moment after crazy

1552
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:13,920
Speaker 3: moment that knockout in the second fight of the night,

1553
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:16,839
Speaker 3: Aguilar's knockout might have been the best fly weight knockout

1554
01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:19,479
Speaker 3: in history, Like and he didn't even get a bonus,

1555
01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:21,479
Speaker 3: Like you should have handed that guy I check in

1556
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:24,559
Speaker 3: the cage, Like, yeah, Chatry would like to give you

1557
01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:27,720
Speaker 3: fifty thousand dollars. That should have happened right there, and

1558
01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:30,080
Speaker 3: he didn't even get a bonus. It was the greatest

1559
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:32,880
Speaker 3: flyweight knockout I think I've ever seen. I mean, what

1560
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:35,720
Speaker 3: a night like. Honestly, that night was so special and

1561
01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:38,200
Speaker 3: I and we're coming off that card in Vancouver, where

1562
01:09:38,200 --> 01:09:39,760
Speaker 3: like if you were in the building, that was also

1563
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:42,600
Speaker 3: a very special card, Like the Canadians were rolling like

1564
01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:46,280
Speaker 3: what Amanda Nunez retires on a high note. I mean,

1565
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:50,360
Speaker 3: just a just an absolutely crazy night of combat on Saturday.

1566
01:09:50,360 --> 01:09:52,519
Speaker 3: It was. I think that's the best event top to

1567
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:55,280
Speaker 3: bottom I've ever been at and I've ever seen. Wow.

1568
01:09:55,479 --> 01:09:57,679
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm glad you answered that because we did feel

1569
01:09:57,720 --> 01:09:59,439
Speaker 2: in the moment like you could put it up there

1570
01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:02,760
Speaker 2: with two seventeen, one, sixteen, whatever your favorite one is.

1571
01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:05,439
Speaker 2: But you made some strong points there. I do. I

1572
01:10:05,439 --> 01:10:07,920
Speaker 2: wonder if this does change some some feeling and just

1573
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:11,240
Speaker 2: kick off a new run of momentum it. But here's

1574
01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:13,800
Speaker 2: the difference. Here's the difference, Luke, here's the answer. To

1575
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:16,519
Speaker 2: give them the best chance. Shut the freaking Apex down,

1576
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:19,680
Speaker 2: give it to power Slap in the Contender series. That's it.

1577
01:10:20,120 --> 01:10:22,960
Speaker 2: Get back, No, really, get back in front of arenas.

1578
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:26,280
Speaker 2: Because what makes a card overachieve, it's that magic that

1579
01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:29,920
Speaker 2: was special Saturday night. But sometimes that's cultivated by that

1580
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:32,680
Speaker 2: fan base right in the and even culturally the.

1581
01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:35,920
Speaker 1: Like, dude, they got Holly Holm headlining this weekend, and

1582
01:10:36,040 --> 01:10:38,760
Speaker 1: they're building cards that can only live there. You know

1583
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:41,760
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, like that they can't live anywhere but

1584
01:10:42,200 --> 01:10:44,360
Speaker 1: the APEX and Aaron I think sounds like you agree,

1585
01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:47,400
Speaker 1: like I'm not. You know, Holme deserves to be taken jackly.

1586
01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:50,320
Speaker 2: Bill, put it in Taichi, put it somewhere where there's possible.

1587
01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:53,800
Speaker 1: That's the one. But in all seriousness, you're right, July

1588
01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:56,639
Speaker 1: twenty nine, for both boxing and UFC reasons, is gonna

1589
01:10:56,680 --> 01:10:59,680
Speaker 1: be killer. But between now and then, you've got some

1590
01:10:59,720 --> 01:11:00,840
Speaker 1: shit to wade through, do.

1591
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:02,759
Speaker 3: You not, Well, you also kind of have to ignore

1592
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:05,200
Speaker 3: these fight night cards if you're gonna talk about momentum

1593
01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:06,519
Speaker 3: and just look at the pay per views. I mean,

1594
01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:08,639
Speaker 3: those are the special evenings that we're getting in. It's

1595
01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:10,000
Speaker 3: not that the fight nights have been bad, Like there's

1596
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:11,840
Speaker 3: still good nights of combat. But again, like we got

1597
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:14,080
Speaker 3: Buenos Silva against Home in the main event, you've got

1598
01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:16,920
Speaker 3: a featherweight women's fighting the division that basically doesn't exist.

1599
01:11:17,080 --> 01:11:20,479
Speaker 3: You've got a middleweight the like token middleweight comin event.

1600
01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:23,880
Speaker 3: You've got heavyweights on the main card, Like it's it's

1601
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:27,960
Speaker 3: kind of like we're back to the paradigm of a

1602
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:31,000
Speaker 3: you know, ho hum fight Night card on Saturday. But

1603
01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:34,360
Speaker 3: you know, you those are for the diehards, man, Like

1604
01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:37,200
Speaker 3: these UFC Fight Night cards are still solid, they still deliver,

1605
01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:39,800
Speaker 3: they're still fun to watch, but it's hard to like,

1606
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:42,320
Speaker 3: you can't really expect that the momentum is gonna continue

1607
01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:44,120
Speaker 3: into Saturday. You kind of have to just look at

1608
01:11:44,280 --> 01:11:46,400
Speaker 3: the markers of these massive pay per view cards and

1609
01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:48,479
Speaker 3: they're building really good pay per view cards for the

1610
01:11:48,479 --> 01:11:51,680
Speaker 3: rest of the year. Like that's kind of the signifier

1611
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:54,400
Speaker 3: of the momentum. The diehards are always gonna watch fight

1612
01:11:54,479 --> 01:11:57,040
Speaker 3: Nights on Saturdays. I mean, if they're not gonna watch

1613
01:11:57,080 --> 01:11:59,040
Speaker 3: it live, they're gonna they're gonna PVR or tape them

1614
01:11:59,080 --> 01:12:02,120
Speaker 3: or watch them after fact. They're not gonna tape them.

1615
01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:03,920
Speaker 3: I don't think people are still using VCRs, you know

1616
01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:05,800
Speaker 3: what I mean. But they're gonna go back and watch

1617
01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:08,320
Speaker 3: it after the fact. And I think that the momentum

1618
01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:10,400
Speaker 3: is probably not going to roll into this Saturday. It

1619
01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:12,479
Speaker 3: could still be a great fight card and still deliver.

1620
01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:14,799
Speaker 3: And if you love the UFC and you love combat sports,

1621
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:16,880
Speaker 3: you watch it and you walk away whether you like

1622
01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:18,880
Speaker 3: it or not. You're happy to spend your time on

1623
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:21,200
Speaker 3: seven night watching fights. But I mean, you can't expect

1624
01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:23,200
Speaker 3: that what we saw on Saturday is going to roll

1625
01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:24,679
Speaker 3: into this Saturday. It's gonna be just as good.

1626
01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:29,720
Speaker 2: Yes I can, Yes, I dare you? Dare you profess that? Yes?

1627
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:32,120
Speaker 1: I can? All right, Aaron, I've kept you longer than

1628
01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:33,559
Speaker 1: we were supposed to. So let me leave on this.

1629
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:35,719
Speaker 1: And I'm glad BC Shamy, but he also did remind

1630
01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:38,479
Speaker 1: me he was right this. Let's wrap up UFC two

1631
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:40,880
Speaker 1: ninety on here. Like I thought that the UFC had

1632
01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:43,880
Speaker 1: done a really good job about embracing their Mexican fan base,

1633
01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:46,479
Speaker 1: both for this weekend as well as in September, doing

1634
01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:50,880
Speaker 1: all the right things. But MMA's success is fleeting, and

1635
01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:53,639
Speaker 1: this Mexican Revolution, I'm not saying it even if even

1636
01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:57,120
Speaker 1: if Grosso loses that it's over. But the ability to

1637
01:12:57,160 --> 01:12:59,720
Speaker 1: hold on to a UFC title is hard to do,

1638
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:02,479
Speaker 1: and it's coming undone just as quickly as we got here.

1639
01:13:03,080 --> 01:13:05,519
Speaker 1: Give me your sense of things, your view of the

1640
01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:07,599
Speaker 1: next year or two Mexican MMA, at least as you've

1641
01:13:07,640 --> 01:13:09,720
Speaker 1: experienced it in its growth and potential.

1642
01:13:10,200 --> 01:13:11,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it was a bad night, especially with

1643
01:13:12,439 --> 01:13:14,800
Speaker 3: Jasmine Huai Reggu losing earlier in the card. I mean,

1644
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:18,320
Speaker 3: that's certainly or Yasmin Wi REGI rather that kind of

1645
01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:20,720
Speaker 3: made it even worse. But I think it's one of

1646
01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:22,799
Speaker 3: those like, don't be sad that it's over, be grateful

1647
01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:24,840
Speaker 3: that it happens situations. I mean, probably the best way

1648
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:27,280
Speaker 3: to put it to see Mexican MMA get on the

1649
01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:30,200
Speaker 3: map like it did this year. But I mean you

1650
01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:33,120
Speaker 3: had Aldona last month. It was, you know, the potential

1651
01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:34,840
Speaker 3: to be four champions, and one month later you got

1652
01:13:34,880 --> 01:13:37,880
Speaker 3: one champion. That's tough skating right now for Mexican MMA.

1653
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:41,200
Speaker 3: But again, what they did this year is something special

1654
01:13:41,240 --> 01:13:43,280
Speaker 3: and we really need to just acknowledge that and not

1655
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:45,600
Speaker 3: it's I still think that there's the potential for it

1656
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:47,280
Speaker 3: down the road, but I mean, yeah, it came apart

1657
01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:47,920
Speaker 3: pretty quickly.

1658
01:13:48,520 --> 01:13:50,600
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, well listen, we kept you longer than

1659
01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:52,439
Speaker 1: we were supposed to. I know you've got some other

1660
01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:55,599
Speaker 1: things to attend to if folks want more of your work,

1661
01:13:55,640 --> 01:14:00,240
Speaker 1: and it is a copious in amount prolific as a

1662
01:14:00,240 --> 01:14:02,320
Speaker 1: publisher of content you are. Where can they get it?

1663
01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:04,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, guys, thanks for having me. It's at www dot

1664
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:07,160
Speaker 3: Aaron dot Report has all of my stuff and you

1665
01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:08,840
Speaker 3: can you can browse it all in one great place.

1666
01:14:09,400 --> 01:14:11,479
Speaker 1: And of course you can see his socials beneath on

1667
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:14,120
Speaker 1: the lower third there and he posts all his stuff

1668
01:14:14,120 --> 01:14:15,599
Speaker 1: I get. I'll tell all your stuff on Twitter too,

1669
01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:17,800
Speaker 1: and I watch a lot of it there. So, dude,

1670
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:20,360
Speaker 1: great work at UFC two ninety I know you're due

1671
01:14:20,360 --> 01:14:22,400
Speaker 1: for a break, Go get some rest. We thank you

1672
01:14:22,439 --> 01:14:23,000
Speaker 1: so much.

1673
01:14:23,479 --> 01:14:24,160
Speaker 3: Thank you guys for having me.

1674
01:14:24,240 --> 01:14:28,080
Speaker 2: Appreciate you enjoy your healthcare. Thank you erin always.

1675
01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:28,439
Speaker 3: Always will.

1676
01:14:30,080 --> 01:14:32,599
Speaker 1: All right, leave that in mind. We moved now BC

1677
01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:34,800
Speaker 1: to topic number four. Now, this was some news we

1678
01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:36,720
Speaker 1: did not get to on Saturday, and we had I

1679
01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:39,200
Speaker 1: had a small kind of reaction video to it a

1680
01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:43,200
Speaker 1: little bit on Saturday before UFC two ninety So let's

1681
01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:45,320
Speaker 1: get to it now here a little bit BC. UFC

1682
01:14:45,479 --> 01:14:49,879
Speaker 1: two ninety five in November, it will be John Jones

1683
01:14:50,200 --> 01:14:52,640
Speaker 1: taking on Steve Abiyochich. And I want to ask the

1684
01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:58,080
Speaker 1: question this way. Namely, I saw folks happy that the

1685
01:14:58,120 --> 01:15:00,679
Speaker 1: fight was made, but I saw a lot of people

1686
01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:02,880
Speaker 1: being like listen. I'm not going to complain about the fight.

1687
01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:04,640
Speaker 1: But if you're asking me like where I would ever

1688
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:07,559
Speaker 1: really been excited, it would have been John Jones versus

1689
01:15:07,560 --> 01:15:10,960
Speaker 1: Sergei Pavlovitch. Was that the fight to make instead? B see?

1690
01:15:12,760 --> 01:15:15,640
Speaker 2: No, And I need to tell all those people to

1691
01:15:15,960 --> 01:15:18,640
Speaker 2: sit to quiet down. I've actually done a lot of

1692
01:15:18,680 --> 01:15:21,120
Speaker 2: complaining about the UFC and matchmaking and data and all

1693
01:15:21,120 --> 01:15:22,760
Speaker 2: that this year, and I do feel like it's been fair,

1694
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:25,519
Speaker 2: but it has been heavy. They've given me amo. This

1695
01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:27,880
Speaker 2: is not one of the times to complain. This is

1696
01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:29,839
Speaker 2: the type of big fights that if you're a promoter,

1697
01:15:30,280 --> 01:15:32,400
Speaker 2: you go out of your way to make. I get

1698
01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:35,439
Speaker 2: that Miochich hasn't fought in three years. I get that

1699
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:37,800
Speaker 2: he's you know, look what is his official age right now?

1700
01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:39,960
Speaker 2: Do you have that in front of you? Think forty two?

1701
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:42,040
Speaker 2: I'll double check right now. All right, well, look here's

1702
01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:44,120
Speaker 2: the deal on that. John Jones also didn't fight for

1703
01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:47,080
Speaker 2: three years, right, which which might explain to some degree

1704
01:15:47,240 --> 01:15:49,160
Speaker 2: Steve Pey kind of always sits in the bullpen and

1705
01:15:49,160 --> 01:15:51,760
Speaker 2: waits for the big title or big fight opportunities, but

1706
01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:54,799
Speaker 2: does get in skirmishes with the UFC at times about

1707
01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:57,400
Speaker 2: money and placement and all that this is the right

1708
01:15:57,439 --> 01:16:01,280
Speaker 2: time to make this way forty one Okay, heavyweights age later?

1709
01:16:01,439 --> 01:16:03,519
Speaker 2: Is Steepe the same guy who was three years ago?

1710
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:05,840
Speaker 2: Could we expect that? You can fill that in all

1711
01:16:05,880 --> 01:16:08,080
Speaker 2: you want. But I also want to remind people we

1712
01:16:08,160 --> 01:16:10,679
Speaker 2: don't know who John Jones actually is as a heavyweight.

1713
01:16:11,080 --> 01:16:14,280
Speaker 2: If you think that Gon fight fully explains who he is,

1714
01:16:14,720 --> 01:16:18,240
Speaker 2: it doesn't. Jones was great after that long of a

1715
01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:22,160
Speaker 2: layoff moving up in Wait. Everything worked perfectly, and unfortunately

1716
01:16:22,200 --> 01:16:24,519
Speaker 2: Gon looked about as bad as he could. I'm not

1717
01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:27,080
Speaker 2: saying Gon laying an egg takes away from what John

1718
01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:30,120
Speaker 2: accomplished there. No, he's the greatest fighter of all time

1719
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:32,400
Speaker 2: and now he has the two belts to show for it.

1720
01:16:32,600 --> 01:16:34,880
Speaker 2: But if we actually think we know what John looks

1721
01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:38,200
Speaker 2: like at that weight as a striker stamina wise, over

1722
01:16:38,240 --> 01:16:40,880
Speaker 2: a sustained period of time, what if this fight does

1723
01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:44,519
Speaker 2: feature some wrestling. Stepe is not inadequate in those areas.

1724
01:16:45,240 --> 01:16:47,320
Speaker 2: We just don't know that. But when you can make

1725
01:16:47,320 --> 01:16:50,000
Speaker 2: a fight this big and historic where it does dip

1726
01:16:50,040 --> 01:16:54,040
Speaker 2: into the casual pool, I don't cheer for casual main

1727
01:16:54,080 --> 01:16:56,800
Speaker 2: events because I'm a casual fan, Luke, although I think

1728
01:16:56,800 --> 01:16:59,000
Speaker 2: some of our viewers would argue that I cheer for

1729
01:16:59,080 --> 01:17:01,400
Speaker 2: it because those big type of fights need to happen

1730
01:17:01,520 --> 01:17:05,479
Speaker 2: in between the hardcore killer fights like Vulk versus Yaeir

1731
01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:08,360
Speaker 2: or Vulk versus Mahachev two, which might be big enough

1732
01:17:08,400 --> 01:17:10,080
Speaker 2: to be a crossover fight in the end in terms

1733
01:17:10,120 --> 01:17:12,439
Speaker 2: of people waking up to it. But Jones versus Meo

1734
01:17:12,520 --> 01:17:14,680
Speaker 2: Chich is a crossover fight, and Luke, you and I,

1735
01:17:14,840 --> 01:17:17,559
Speaker 2: let's be really honest here, we were supposed to be

1736
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:20,479
Speaker 2: an international fight week with full on coverage. It didn't

1737
01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:22,640
Speaker 2: work out in the end. You can argue why it

1738
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:26,120
Speaker 2: didn't work out, but one of the reasons why I

1739
01:17:26,160 --> 01:17:28,760
Speaker 2: did argue that on paper that IFW card, which did

1740
01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:31,960
Speaker 2: overachieve and slam dunk in every category, why I argued

1741
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:34,240
Speaker 2: it was just short of what I was looking for.

1742
01:17:34,760 --> 01:17:37,519
Speaker 2: Sometimes what I'm looking for is not just for the

1743
01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:39,600
Speaker 2: health of the sport, but for the idea of like

1744
01:17:40,360 --> 01:17:42,720
Speaker 2: us going on the road for really big fights that

1745
01:17:42,760 --> 01:17:45,280
Speaker 2: a lot of people care about. In giving that type

1746
01:17:45,280 --> 01:17:48,599
Speaker 2: of coverage, hardcore fights sometimes push away from that from

1747
01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:50,920
Speaker 2: people in those positions who control budgets and are gonna

1748
01:17:50,920 --> 01:17:53,720
Speaker 2: do that. This fight is like if you missed it.

1749
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:56,400
Speaker 2: I think if they missed this, if they didn't do this. Now, Luke,

1750
01:17:56,840 --> 01:17:58,680
Speaker 2: even if you think John Jones is gonna go in

1751
01:17:58,720 --> 01:18:02,120
Speaker 2: there and wipe him up, it's still promotional malpractice to me.

1752
01:18:02,520 --> 01:18:05,559
Speaker 2: Stepe is arguably the greatest heavyweight of all time. We've

1753
01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:07,559
Speaker 2: already been through that sort of debate when he had

1754
01:18:07,560 --> 01:18:10,280
Speaker 2: the trilogy with Cormier. And now you have the greatest

1755
01:18:10,320 --> 01:18:12,600
Speaker 2: fighter of all time who just became heavyweight champion, Like,

1756
01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:14,880
Speaker 2: come on, you gotta make this fight and you're putting

1757
01:18:14,920 --> 01:18:18,840
Speaker 2: it in Madison Square Garden UFC. Congratulations, This was by

1758
01:18:19,080 --> 01:18:23,680
Speaker 2: far the right move to make, by far. And if

1759
01:18:23,680 --> 01:18:25,760
Speaker 2: you're scared that we're only gonna get John Jones for

1760
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:28,599
Speaker 2: one or two more fights and you preferred Pavlovich, now

1761
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:32,120
Speaker 2: that's cool, But Luke, sometimes as a promoter, as a brand,

1762
01:18:32,200 --> 01:18:34,600
Speaker 2: you've got to make these super huge, big fights that

1763
01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:36,960
Speaker 2: are gonna wake people up that haven't watched the sport

1764
01:18:37,000 --> 01:18:39,920
Speaker 2: closely in two to three years. This is that fight, dude,

1765
01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:42,479
Speaker 2: This is that fight. This is a monster fight. Can

1766
01:18:42,520 --> 01:18:45,200
Speaker 2: we stop with the Oh, John's is just gonna wash him?

1767
01:18:45,320 --> 01:18:47,519
Speaker 2: You know, bring on Pavlovitch. You don't know who John

1768
01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:49,840
Speaker 2: Jones is a heavyweight? Is Luke you don't know. You

1769
01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:51,439
Speaker 2: don't even know Luke Thomas. You don't.

1770
01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:52,280
Speaker 1: I don't.

1771
01:18:52,360 --> 01:18:53,120
Speaker 2: You freaking don't.

1772
01:18:53,160 --> 01:18:55,400
Speaker 1: Okay, I don't. I don't. Let me ask you just

1773
01:18:55,880 --> 01:18:58,520
Speaker 1: in your heart of hearts. What's a tougher fight Miocich

1774
01:18:58,720 --> 01:18:59,600
Speaker 1: or Pavlovitch.

1775
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:04,479
Speaker 2: There's more unknown in Pavlovich. There's not only more known

1776
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:08,760
Speaker 2: about Steep Pay, there's hey, he hasn't fought in three years. Yeah,

1777
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:11,040
Speaker 2: that that doesn't matter to some degree, even if heavyweight's

1778
01:19:11,080 --> 01:19:13,720
Speaker 2: age late and he's only forty one U you know,

1779
01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:15,840
Speaker 2: as opposed to be him like forty six or forty seven.

1780
01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:19,160
Speaker 2: But you get my point. This isn't Joel Romero right, Like,

1781
01:19:19,200 --> 01:19:21,479
Speaker 2: this is like I think he's closer to being in

1782
01:19:21,479 --> 01:19:22,920
Speaker 2: this and you mix that with what we don't know

1783
01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:25,360
Speaker 2: about John. But what's a harder fight for him? Yeah,

1784
01:19:25,360 --> 01:19:27,880
Speaker 2: without question Pavlovich. But look, if he goes out there

1785
01:19:27,880 --> 01:19:30,840
Speaker 2: and beats Steep Pay and doesn't retire, and I'll re

1786
01:19:31,400 --> 01:19:33,360
Speaker 2: once again tell you John's not going anywhere. If he

1787
01:19:33,439 --> 01:19:35,760
Speaker 2: keeps winning, he's gonna stay because John loves doing this.

1788
01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:38,200
Speaker 2: He loves being the best, and if he's gonna be

1789
01:19:38,240 --> 01:19:41,040
Speaker 2: as good as heavyweight as a heavyweight as the cyril

1790
01:19:41,080 --> 01:19:44,439
Speaker 2: Gon fight teased, he might, although there's fools gold elements

1791
01:19:44,479 --> 01:19:47,320
Speaker 2: due to God's lack of wrestling prowess. I think he's

1792
01:19:47,360 --> 01:19:48,800
Speaker 2: gonna stay. And if he goes out there and does

1793
01:19:48,840 --> 01:19:51,680
Speaker 2: to step pay what people think he should. If as

1794
01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:53,320
Speaker 2: long as they pay him the right amount of money, Luke,

1795
01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:55,960
Speaker 2: he'll still fight Pavlovich. And why wouldn't you make that

1796
01:19:56,000 --> 01:19:58,679
Speaker 2: fight massive, put it in a stadium, do something big

1797
01:19:58,720 --> 01:20:01,320
Speaker 2: for that First, he's got to do this at MSG.

1798
01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:04,200
Speaker 2: So try to explain to me, Luke in a real

1799
01:20:04,240 --> 01:20:07,679
Speaker 2: way beyond oh, Stepey's old why this is a bad choice.

1800
01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:10,040
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a bad choice. I don't think

1801
01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:11,439
Speaker 1: it's a bad choice. I'm not one of these guys

1802
01:20:11,479 --> 01:20:13,360
Speaker 1: who's like, oh, well, what does it mean to beat

1803
01:20:13,400 --> 01:20:15,760
Speaker 1: the corpse of Steve A. Miochich? And it's like, I

1804
01:20:15,800 --> 01:20:18,200
Speaker 1: get that we could end up there, Like, I think

1805
01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:20,880
Speaker 1: you can be high on this fight, but you should

1806
01:20:20,920 --> 01:20:24,759
Speaker 1: also have a little bit of realistic expectations, which is okay,

1807
01:20:25,439 --> 01:20:27,680
Speaker 1: do we have reason to conclude that STEVEE is going

1808
01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:30,120
Speaker 1: to be completely you know, just a shell of himself

1809
01:20:30,120 --> 01:20:33,400
Speaker 1: at forty one. No. No, But if we end up

1810
01:20:33,439 --> 01:20:35,519
Speaker 1: with a fight where it actually turns out that he was,

1811
01:20:35,640 --> 01:20:39,920
Speaker 1: however improbable that may seem, we should be like, we

1812
01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:42,160
Speaker 1: should be saying out loud, like we do run the

1813
01:20:42,280 --> 01:20:44,960
Speaker 1: risk of getting Cyril gone two point zero. Which is

1814
01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:47,880
Speaker 1: what I mean by that is a guy who had

1815
01:20:47,960 --> 01:20:50,360
Speaker 1: it seemed nice on paper for other reasons, and then

1816
01:20:50,360 --> 01:20:51,840
Speaker 1: you get there and you're like, oh, right, this was

1817
01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:54,479
Speaker 1: a waste of time, Like there's just this is not

1818
01:20:54,640 --> 01:20:57,120
Speaker 1: who we thought it was at all. That is that

1819
01:20:57,240 --> 01:21:00,000
Speaker 1: is to me on the table, however, like this is

1820
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:01,880
Speaker 1: something I've been thinking about for a while, which is

1821
01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:04,000
Speaker 1: and we've talked about on the show, which is listen,

1822
01:21:04,080 --> 01:21:07,799
Speaker 1: there's just way too much gravitational pull from the business

1823
01:21:07,880 --> 01:21:11,000
Speaker 1: end to make this fight for it to supersede a

1824
01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:14,120
Speaker 1: fight with Pavlovitch. That's just never gonna happen. If you're John,

1825
01:21:14,160 --> 01:21:16,559
Speaker 1: why the fuck would you take that fight? The state

1826
01:21:16,600 --> 01:21:19,400
Speaker 1: they may or may not have put John versus Sergei

1827
01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:22,800
Speaker 1: in MSG. They may have done it BC, but you like,

1828
01:21:22,800 --> 01:21:24,559
Speaker 1: like there's I mean, we know that for a fact

1829
01:21:24,560 --> 01:21:26,240
Speaker 1: that they did it, but like you obviously are going

1830
01:21:26,320 --> 01:21:28,479
Speaker 1: to put this fight in a huge venue on a

1831
01:21:28,520 --> 01:21:30,439
Speaker 1: massive night, and the fact that they went to MSG

1832
01:21:30,920 --> 01:21:33,280
Speaker 1: tells you like the kind of supremacy that they feel

1833
01:21:33,280 --> 01:21:35,960
Speaker 1: that this fight holds both for the heavyweight division currently

1834
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:39,120
Speaker 1: and then historically if John ends up beating Cormiergon and

1835
01:21:39,240 --> 01:21:41,519
Speaker 1: Miochich right sort of back to back to back in

1836
01:21:41,600 --> 01:21:44,840
Speaker 1: that way. I mean, not not in this most recent fights,

1837
01:21:44,880 --> 01:21:46,200
Speaker 1: but you mean, like, you know, the last three of

1838
01:21:46,200 --> 01:21:49,360
Speaker 1: these champions, not including Francis, that's a big fucking deal.

1839
01:21:49,439 --> 01:21:51,719
Speaker 1: That's a really big deal, and they just can't pass

1840
01:21:51,800 --> 01:21:53,679
Speaker 1: that up. I do think it's also worth saying, though,

1841
01:21:54,200 --> 01:21:57,559
Speaker 1: like just forget about the box office, forget about anything else.

1842
01:21:57,600 --> 01:22:01,520
Speaker 1: What's a more interesting fight fight fight terms, it's Pavlovitch.

1843
01:22:01,560 --> 01:22:05,559
Speaker 1: I don't think it's as interesting to me as Miocic personally.

1844
01:22:06,439 --> 01:22:10,040
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, I mean I guess it's fair, but dude,

1845
01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:12,519
Speaker 2: I mean we criticize them enough in certain areas. To me,

1846
01:22:12,560 --> 01:22:14,760
Speaker 2: it's just like, get off and enjoy this.

1847
01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:18,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not worth It's definitely not worth criticizing. It's

1848
01:22:18,120 --> 01:22:20,519
Speaker 1: not now. There is one element to the story though,

1849
01:22:21,000 --> 01:22:25,320
Speaker 1: that is interesting, Namely, we started this topic talking about

1850
01:22:25,400 --> 01:22:28,120
Speaker 1: Jones and Stepe, but like an hour or two before,

1851
01:22:28,240 --> 01:22:32,519
Speaker 1: Aaron Haljane had tweeted that per sources, we are getting

1852
01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:35,719
Speaker 1: very close to an announcement between Tyson Fury and Francis

1853
01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:38,800
Speaker 1: and Ghanu. Now we don't have many details to go

1854
01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:40,720
Speaker 1: on here, BC one, I wonder what you make of

1855
01:22:40,760 --> 01:22:43,760
Speaker 1: the timing of this steep a John news. That's kind

1856
01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:46,320
Speaker 1: of interesting about when it came out. But more importantly,

1857
01:22:47,200 --> 01:22:50,040
Speaker 1: it is believed in the media that what happens between

1858
01:22:50,160 --> 01:22:53,400
Speaker 1: Fury and Anganu is going to be an exhibition. Now

1859
01:22:53,520 --> 01:22:55,120
Speaker 1: what does that mean? And is there going to be

1860
01:22:55,200 --> 01:22:57,920
Speaker 1: knockdowns and four ounce gloves? Again, a lot of this

1861
01:22:58,000 --> 01:23:02,559
Speaker 1: remains very unknown. Yeah, we don't have a Sorry, I

1862
01:23:02,600 --> 01:23:04,400
Speaker 1: was just gonna say very quickly. I guess my question

1863
01:23:04,479 --> 01:23:07,160
Speaker 1: for you is BC in a world where he was

1864
01:23:07,200 --> 01:23:10,679
Speaker 1: supposed to fight Usik and instead he fights an MMA

1865
01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:15,840
Speaker 1: fighter on in exhibitions terms. I'm not saying as an

1866
01:23:15,960 --> 01:23:18,519
Speaker 1: MMA fan, I hate that, and especially for Francis. Hey,

1867
01:23:18,520 --> 01:23:20,720
Speaker 1: I'm happy he gets a bag, But if you're a

1868
01:23:20,760 --> 01:23:24,360
Speaker 1: boxing fan, you gotta be irate at this news, right

1869
01:23:24,920 --> 01:23:25,360
Speaker 1: you do?

1870
01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:25,600
Speaker 4: So?

1871
01:23:25,680 --> 01:23:27,519
Speaker 2: Here a couple of things to pick up on from

1872
01:23:27,520 --> 01:23:29,800
Speaker 2: what you said right there is Do I believe the

1873
01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:33,439
Speaker 2: UFC counter promoted this and ran that announcement of Jones

1874
01:23:33,479 --> 01:23:36,040
Speaker 2: stepe out quick after seeing Ariel's tweet. Yes, because that's

1875
01:23:36,120 --> 01:23:38,320
Speaker 2: they do do that. They do that often. I believe

1876
01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:41,519
Speaker 2: that I don't hate it. Whatever it is, what it is.

1877
01:23:41,680 --> 01:23:43,920
Speaker 2: This fight has not been announced yet, meaning francis in

1878
01:23:45,160 --> 01:23:48,000
Speaker 2: Fury and we don't know the rules. We are only

1879
01:23:48,040 --> 01:23:50,320
Speaker 2: only hearing it could be an exhibition. You asked me

1880
01:23:50,360 --> 01:23:52,799
Speaker 2: how this fight got made or why, or the timing.

1881
01:23:53,320 --> 01:23:55,679
Speaker 2: A lot of people inside boxing are arguing because Tyson

1882
01:23:55,720 --> 01:23:58,840
Speaker 2: couldn't secure anything else he was trying to, meaning he

1883
01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:01,160
Speaker 2: didn't want usick now that yes, as he opened for

1884
01:24:01,840 --> 01:24:05,839
Speaker 2: debate and criticism. Of course he's even if he's delaying,

1885
01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:07,360
Speaker 2: which is what this is where you want Tyson Fury

1886
01:24:07,400 --> 01:24:09,439
Speaker 2: to finally be honest, and he's It's hard to tell

1887
01:24:09,479 --> 01:24:12,599
Speaker 2: when or if he's honest because he's constantly the given day,

1888
01:24:12,680 --> 01:24:14,760
Speaker 2: so many other things at once, and just you know,

1889
01:24:14,840 --> 01:24:16,880
Speaker 2: switching course out of nowhere and posting a video and

1890
01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:21,080
Speaker 2: saying I'm retiring and doing bullshit. But Joshua seems to

1891
01:24:21,080 --> 01:24:22,600
Speaker 2: be tied up. He's got a fight now coming up,

1892
01:24:22,600 --> 01:24:24,840
Speaker 2: a rematch with Illian White. Usik has moved on to

1893
01:24:24,920 --> 01:24:27,920
Speaker 2: his mandatory Daniel Dubois the same month, and it feels

1894
01:24:27,960 --> 01:24:29,840
Speaker 2: like wild You know they're not gonna do Wilder Fury four,

1895
01:24:29,920 --> 01:24:33,200
Speaker 2: but it feels like Wilder is preparing for Joshua in December.

1896
01:24:33,720 --> 01:24:37,439
Speaker 2: If Fury's plan all along, in his plan continues to

1897
01:24:37,520 --> 01:24:41,240
Speaker 2: include fighting Usik in December, no matter what, in Saudi

1898
01:24:41,240 --> 01:24:44,080
Speaker 2: Arabia for a shit load of money, and if Usik

1899
01:24:44,200 --> 01:24:48,000
Speaker 2: just signed with that upstart Saudi Arabian fight promotion only

1900
01:24:48,120 --> 01:24:50,800
Speaker 2: to get this Fury fight, then I don't care about

1901
01:24:50,800 --> 01:24:53,280
Speaker 2: the Francis fight, meaning I'm not gonna get mad at it.

1902
01:24:53,320 --> 01:24:55,400
Speaker 2: And for no matter how this goes off, it's a

1903
01:24:55,439 --> 01:24:58,280
Speaker 2: win for Francis, and congratulations, you stuck the course, you

1904
01:24:58,320 --> 01:25:01,599
Speaker 2: never fumbled the bag. But no, it sucks that Fury

1905
01:25:01,680 --> 01:25:04,360
Speaker 2: is doing this right now again unless and this is

1906
01:25:04,360 --> 01:25:06,400
Speaker 2: why I wish you would be honest, Unless the plan

1907
01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:09,080
Speaker 2: is still the fight Usik, no matter what in December,

1908
01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:12,280
Speaker 2: because if it's not, then you are dropping the ball.

1909
01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:15,559
Speaker 2: Fury in one of the biggest opportunities historically, the idea

1910
01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:17,559
Speaker 2: to be the face of this heavyweight division, have the

1911
01:25:17,560 --> 01:25:20,800
Speaker 2: first four belt championship, have one name, one face, and

1912
01:25:20,840 --> 01:25:22,559
Speaker 2: do it against a guy. We're gonna favor you to

1913
01:25:22,600 --> 01:25:24,400
Speaker 2: be in Usik and have a chance. You can just

1914
01:25:24,439 --> 01:25:26,559
Speaker 2: retire after that. You don't need to fight anybody else.

1915
01:25:26,720 --> 01:25:28,360
Speaker 2: You would have done what you were supposed to do

1916
01:25:28,360 --> 01:25:30,960
Speaker 2: in your era. Separate from Joshua, and if you still

1917
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:33,160
Speaker 2: want to make that fight happen, you know, no matter

1918
01:25:33,200 --> 01:25:35,040
Speaker 2: what it seems you do, then that's cool, that's great.

1919
01:25:35,439 --> 01:25:38,479
Speaker 2: But if you're gonna fumble this and delay this and

1920
01:25:38,520 --> 01:25:41,519
Speaker 2: sneaking in and Gano fight and not come around on

1921
01:25:41,560 --> 01:25:45,040
Speaker 2: the other end and still fight Usick, Like everything we've

1922
01:25:45,080 --> 01:25:48,160
Speaker 2: ever said positively about Fury the Fighter and this great

1923
01:25:48,200 --> 01:25:53,240
Speaker 2: comeback story you're gonna have, this is clouded in the

1924
01:25:53,320 --> 01:25:56,200
Speaker 2: idea of you had a chance at history. I mean,

1925
01:25:56,200 --> 01:25:58,439
Speaker 2: I mean, like through the Fury Usk fight. Just separate

1926
01:25:58,439 --> 01:26:00,360
Speaker 2: from what it can do financially or come us and

1927
01:26:00,400 --> 01:26:04,200
Speaker 2: it would be big. This is historically, this is freaking massive,

1928
01:26:04,720 --> 01:26:08,840
Speaker 2: and you're gonna avoid that without really an explanation. You

1929
01:26:08,880 --> 01:26:10,960
Speaker 2: had that third Chasaurus fight then nobody wanted, but we

1930
01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:12,559
Speaker 2: had all suck it up because we thought you were

1931
01:26:12,600 --> 01:26:15,920
Speaker 2: gonna fight Usik three four months later. I don't know, Luke,

1932
01:26:15,960 --> 01:26:18,920
Speaker 2: and if this thing is an exhibition, sadly, I don't

1933
01:26:18,920 --> 01:26:20,559
Speaker 2: think we like, there's not gonna be a lot of

1934
01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:22,800
Speaker 2: reasons to care outside of the curiosity of what does

1935
01:26:22,840 --> 01:26:25,479
Speaker 2: Francis look like? And good for Francis, because what are

1936
01:26:25,479 --> 01:26:28,080
Speaker 2: we doing if unless this is exhibition with four on gloves,

1937
01:26:28,080 --> 01:26:31,240
Speaker 2: which then you go, okay, it's taking the best heavyweight

1938
01:26:31,280 --> 01:26:33,479
Speaker 2: in MMA against the best heavyweight in boxing and trying

1939
01:26:33,479 --> 01:26:35,320
Speaker 2: to find out, you know, who could win if you

1940
01:26:35,400 --> 01:26:37,439
Speaker 2: give a little bit of the rules of both sides

1941
01:26:37,439 --> 01:26:39,000
Speaker 2: to both of them and do the four on slobs.

1942
01:26:39,040 --> 01:26:42,599
Speaker 2: If it's that, there's something there. If it's a title fight,

1943
01:26:43,040 --> 01:26:45,719
Speaker 2: there's something there. Even though you can argue why wouldn't

1944
01:26:45,720 --> 01:26:48,080
Speaker 2: gone to deserve a chance at the title. But Luke

1945
01:26:48,200 --> 01:26:50,439
Speaker 2: Usik's manager just came out today and was like, if

1946
01:26:50,479 --> 01:26:52,280
Speaker 2: he's gonna take this in Ghana fight, how is the

1947
01:26:52,400 --> 01:26:55,240
Speaker 2: WBC not stripping Fury? Like, what the hell is going

1948
01:26:55,280 --> 01:26:57,559
Speaker 2: on here? It's time to stand up. I mean, it's

1949
01:26:57,560 --> 01:26:59,800
Speaker 2: been time to look in the camera and say, Tyson Fury,

1950
01:26:59,800 --> 01:27:01,759
Speaker 2: what the hell's going on here? What are we doing?

1951
01:27:02,120 --> 01:27:04,599
Speaker 2: Separate from hey, cool. For Francis, what the hell are

1952
01:27:04,640 --> 01:27:07,760
Speaker 2: you doing? Because this is not the direction that your

1953
01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:10,400
Speaker 2: talent screams you should be going. We're not asking you

1954
01:27:10,439 --> 01:27:12,599
Speaker 2: to take a fight against Usik that won't sell when

1955
01:27:12,640 --> 01:27:15,400
Speaker 2: you can make money elsewhere. The fight's gonna sell like crazy.

1956
01:27:15,439 --> 01:27:17,000
Speaker 2: And if you're doing in Saudi Arabia, you're gonna make

1957
01:27:17,040 --> 01:27:19,760
Speaker 2: more money than you've ever made and your entire career combined.

1958
01:27:20,120 --> 01:27:22,599
Speaker 2: So tell us that you're doing it already, and we

1959
01:27:22,640 --> 01:27:25,800
Speaker 2: can stop doubting the character inside you as a true

1960
01:27:25,840 --> 01:27:27,920
Speaker 2: fighting man because you're not showing it right now.

1961
01:27:28,439 --> 01:27:31,280
Speaker 1: I will say this though, like again, the rules matter here,

1962
01:27:31,320 --> 01:27:33,599
Speaker 1: and if these guys can't really hurt each other, then

1963
01:27:33,760 --> 01:27:36,200
Speaker 1: it's you know, then fuck this fight, honestly, Like I'm

1964
01:27:36,240 --> 01:27:38,599
Speaker 1: not gonna say good things about it, Like I don't

1965
01:27:38,640 --> 01:27:40,479
Speaker 1: mind them fighting in any kind of rule set, but

1966
01:27:40,520 --> 01:27:42,080
Speaker 1: what I don't want is like a rule set where

1967
01:27:42,120 --> 01:27:44,000
Speaker 1: it's not really a fight. That's what I don't want.

1968
01:27:44,280 --> 01:27:46,080
Speaker 1: But let me say this BC. I've seen a lot

1969
01:27:46,080 --> 01:27:48,960
Speaker 1: of fans in boxing and MMA being like, oh, four

1970
01:27:49,000 --> 01:27:50,600
Speaker 1: ounce gloves, who wants to see that?

1971
01:27:52,320 --> 01:27:52,400
Speaker 5: Me?

1972
01:27:53,280 --> 01:27:55,880
Speaker 1: Have you guys been watching four ounce muay Thai in one.

1973
01:27:56,080 --> 01:27:59,120
Speaker 1: It fucking rules. It's amazing, it's a game changer. I

1974
01:27:59,160 --> 01:28:02,040
Speaker 1: absolutely love it and couldn't say more good things about

1975
01:28:02,080 --> 01:28:04,400
Speaker 1: it now. Of course, what makes that dynamic is matchmaking,

1976
01:28:04,600 --> 01:28:07,000
Speaker 1: some other different rules, sometimes a different fighting surface of

1977
01:28:07,000 --> 01:28:09,640
Speaker 1: a cage versus a ring. It's not one thing, and

1978
01:28:09,720 --> 01:28:12,160
Speaker 1: I cannot guarantee you that it's because for it that

1979
01:28:12,200 --> 01:28:14,000
Speaker 1: if they do, in fact make it four ounce gloves,

1980
01:28:14,200 --> 01:28:16,240
Speaker 1: that that will automatically make it awesome. That's not what

1981
01:28:16,280 --> 01:28:18,160
Speaker 1: I'm saying either. I don't know what it's gonna be.

1982
01:28:18,479 --> 01:28:20,880
Speaker 1: But what I can say is I've seen another promoter

1983
01:28:21,439 --> 01:28:23,800
Speaker 1: change up gloves in another sport, and that one's got,

1984
01:28:23,800 --> 01:28:27,760
Speaker 1: you know, all kinds of cultural elements weaved into the

1985
01:28:27,800 --> 01:28:30,080
Speaker 1: identity of the sport. They still went the other way,

1986
01:28:30,439 --> 01:28:32,639
Speaker 1: changed up the gloves, and they've had nothing but good

1987
01:28:32,640 --> 01:28:35,479
Speaker 1: success with it. All I'm asking people to do is

1988
01:28:35,600 --> 01:28:38,880
Speaker 1: maybe consider that adding four ounce gloves could make it

1989
01:28:39,120 --> 01:28:42,680
Speaker 1: significantly better. I cannot guarantee that, but I guess I

1990
01:28:42,800 --> 01:28:46,320
Speaker 1: just don't understand the pushback. You're hav an MMA fighter

1991
01:28:46,439 --> 01:28:49,080
Speaker 1: versus a boxer. You don't need to have normal rules,

1992
01:28:49,160 --> 01:28:51,040
Speaker 1: you need to have rules that make sense. Four ounce

1993
01:28:51,080 --> 01:28:52,479
Speaker 1: gloves count me the fuck in.

1994
01:28:53,240 --> 01:28:56,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, either that or actually making a boxing match with

1995
01:28:56,120 --> 01:28:59,240
Speaker 2: the real championship at stake, even though that's weird, but

1996
01:28:59,600 --> 01:29:01,680
Speaker 2: that gives no reason to watch. It gives you a

1997
01:29:01,720 --> 01:29:03,960
Speaker 2: reason to watch if in Ghanu could do the impossible

1998
01:29:04,400 --> 01:29:07,240
Speaker 2: and then become the you know, the reigning defending best

1999
01:29:07,360 --> 01:29:09,920
Speaker 2: fighter in both sports. I mean, if you knock out

2000
01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:12,200
Speaker 2: fight and Fury in a real fight for the championship,

2001
01:29:12,240 --> 01:29:14,519
Speaker 2: the hell would people say negatively against you after that?

2002
01:29:14,680 --> 01:29:16,880
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's weird, Luke, It's just weird. What the

2003
01:29:17,040 --> 01:29:19,360
Speaker 2: it's weird. I'm done, Bring on boots, I'm done.

2004
01:29:19,439 --> 01:29:21,680
Speaker 1: Okay, last last, Yeah, you know what, we can give

2005
01:29:21,720 --> 01:29:23,320
Speaker 1: the GSP thing because we got to that at the top,

2006
01:29:23,320 --> 01:29:25,840
Speaker 1: all right, So let's talk about it now. So UFC

2007
01:29:25,920 --> 01:29:28,160
Speaker 1: two ninety was incredible over the weekend, but it wasn't

2008
01:29:28,200 --> 01:29:30,880
Speaker 1: the an only incredible thing over the weekend. Funnily enough,

2009
01:29:30,880 --> 01:29:34,320
Speaker 1: be see, I've been checking trending. Now this will these

2010
01:29:34,320 --> 01:29:37,320
Speaker 1: results will change based on your country that you're in,

2011
01:29:37,360 --> 01:29:38,840
Speaker 1: not so much with a part of the country, but

2012
01:29:38,880 --> 01:29:40,840
Speaker 1: you know, you'll have one trending list for UK, one

2013
01:29:40,880 --> 01:29:43,000
Speaker 1: trending list for the US, and so forth. And in

2014
01:29:43,040 --> 01:29:46,639
Speaker 1: the US both yesterday and today, the only combat sports

2015
01:29:46,680 --> 01:29:51,240
Speaker 1: trending video was Jaron Ennitt's dron Ennis excuse me beating

2016
01:29:51,280 --> 01:29:54,920
Speaker 1: the breaks off of roymand v VC. I don't even

2017
01:29:54,960 --> 01:29:57,040
Speaker 1: know what to ask you about this, but I'll ask

2018
01:29:57,080 --> 01:30:00,280
Speaker 1: it this way. We were there in January at his

2019
01:30:00,400 --> 01:30:05,040
Speaker 1: last fight, where he dominated, but I think underwhelmed. Did

2020
01:30:05,120 --> 01:30:07,840
Speaker 1: he erase any of the criticisms you think he was

2021
01:30:07,880 --> 01:30:10,719
Speaker 1: facing from January with a performance like this.

2022
01:30:10,560 --> 01:30:15,400
Speaker 2: Oh my god, by far monstrously erased them. And it's

2023
01:30:15,479 --> 01:30:19,480
Speaker 2: not that he took on an opponent who was necessarily

2024
01:30:19,520 --> 01:30:21,720
Speaker 2: this massive world beater. And what does this win mean?

2025
01:30:21,800 --> 01:30:24,280
Speaker 2: This win was kind of stay busy. Yeah, we get

2026
01:30:24,280 --> 01:30:26,800
Speaker 2: to see him against another quality guy, a dangerous guy

2027
01:30:26,840 --> 01:30:30,080
Speaker 2: in Via, But you know, Boots is waiting on Staniosis

2028
01:30:30,160 --> 01:30:32,719
Speaker 2: or Spence and Crawford or Thurman. I mean, he's waiting

2029
01:30:32,720 --> 01:30:34,439
Speaker 2: to show us how great he can be. What you

2030
01:30:34,560 --> 01:30:37,519
Speaker 2: loved about this performance, though, is it wasn't the same

2031
01:30:37,920 --> 01:30:40,519
Speaker 2: frustrating part of the last fight against Chuckinsen, who was

2032
01:30:40,560 --> 01:30:43,120
Speaker 2: trying to get away from the action. Not only did

2033
01:30:43,200 --> 01:30:46,640
Speaker 2: Via want the action, Boots doubled down and for the

2034
01:30:46,680 --> 01:30:50,320
Speaker 2: majority of this fight, fought Via on his own terms,

2035
01:30:50,640 --> 01:30:54,000
Speaker 2: directly in front of him, got hit a couple times,

2036
01:30:54,439 --> 01:30:57,120
Speaker 2: but showed something that I love that. Albernstein said it

2037
01:30:57,120 --> 01:30:58,880
Speaker 2: out loud. You want to know how good Boots might be.

2038
01:30:59,400 --> 01:31:03,120
Speaker 2: Alburn's the Hall of famer who's been calling fights monster

2039
01:31:03,280 --> 01:31:06,559
Speaker 2: fights since like basically the early eighties, said that Boots

2040
01:31:06,640 --> 01:31:10,639
Speaker 2: Ennis is the most skilled offensive fighter possibly that he's

2041
01:31:10,680 --> 01:31:13,839
Speaker 2: ever seen, that he's ever covered in called fights. Boots

2042
01:31:13,840 --> 01:31:17,240
Speaker 2: stood right in front, in punching range against a killer,

2043
01:31:17,280 --> 01:31:19,920
Speaker 2: a guy with twenty four knockouts and twenty six wins,

2044
01:31:20,560 --> 01:31:24,080
Speaker 2: and took what he had, but showed that incredible stance switching,

2045
01:31:24,880 --> 01:31:29,519
Speaker 2: baiting and fainting and then full explosion, ridiculous speed, ridiculous power.

2046
01:31:29,840 --> 01:31:31,680
Speaker 2: He hit Via with shots that would have knocked so

2047
01:31:31,800 --> 01:31:35,200
Speaker 2: many people out cold. Via fought like an absolute maniac,

2048
01:31:35,240 --> 01:31:37,439
Speaker 2: because that's who he is. He's got a heavy heart.

2049
01:31:37,520 --> 01:31:39,920
Speaker 2: His family got kidnapped in Venezuela and they're trying to

2050
01:31:40,040 --> 01:31:42,160
Speaker 2: escape him. There's a lot going on. He came and

2051
01:31:42,160 --> 01:31:45,040
Speaker 2: brought what we thought he would, Yet Boots still in

2052
01:31:45,080 --> 01:31:48,320
Speaker 2: the went in the trenches and got him the hell

2053
01:31:48,360 --> 01:31:51,360
Speaker 2: out of there. This guy Via had never been stopped

2054
01:31:51,439 --> 01:31:54,600
Speaker 2: or even dropped to see Boots and his showcase that

2055
01:31:54,720 --> 01:31:57,000
Speaker 2: this is what that January fight was supposed to be.

2056
01:31:57,479 --> 01:32:00,160
Speaker 2: I think Boots benefits from that experience against chukuds in

2057
01:32:00,240 --> 01:32:02,320
Speaker 2: going twelve for the first time. But what he did

2058
01:32:02,320 --> 01:32:04,360
Speaker 2: in ten rounds here in this one side of the salt,

2059
01:32:04,400 --> 01:32:06,879
Speaker 2: it's the rare one sided fight that was actually exciting

2060
01:32:06,960 --> 01:32:11,040
Speaker 2: to watch, and the reason was Boots operating directly in

2061
01:32:11,080 --> 01:32:15,120
Speaker 2: front of him yet operating like an absolute virtuoso. This

2062
01:32:15,160 --> 01:32:17,479
Speaker 2: guy is absolutely the real deal. Do I know for

2063
01:32:17,560 --> 01:32:20,280
Speaker 2: sure what it's gonna look like against a you know, Thurman,

2064
01:32:20,360 --> 01:32:24,040
Speaker 2: Spence Crawford, those super elite guys. No, but it's going

2065
01:32:24,120 --> 01:32:26,280
Speaker 2: to be fun as hell finding out. And look if

2066
01:32:26,320 --> 01:32:29,759
Speaker 2: he if it's unbeaten, I'm onto Staniosis next. That's actually

2067
01:32:29,800 --> 01:32:31,680
Speaker 2: a good test and a good step up while we

2068
01:32:31,720 --> 01:32:34,679
Speaker 2: wait the bigger names. But he's ready for those bigger names,

2069
01:32:34,760 --> 01:32:37,520
Speaker 2: right the hell now? I mean, this guy's sublime.

2070
01:32:38,040 --> 01:32:40,240
Speaker 1: He's been ready for him, he's been ready for him.

2071
01:32:40,280 --> 01:32:41,720
Speaker 1: They don't want a part of him, right, I mean

2072
01:32:41,720 --> 01:32:43,800
Speaker 1: they just who would want to sign up for this

2073
01:32:43,880 --> 01:32:48,000
Speaker 1: assignment if you don't have to fuck that? Yeah, Jesus Folks,

2074
01:32:48,120 --> 01:32:50,040
Speaker 1: you see the finish, they could play the finish again.

2075
01:32:50,200 --> 01:32:52,240
Speaker 1: I would love to show it to you. He did

2076
01:32:52,280 --> 01:32:54,120
Speaker 1: it from South Paul right. Look at this finish.

2077
01:32:54,120 --> 01:32:54,479
Speaker 3: I want to.

2078
01:32:54,600 --> 01:32:55,720
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll just talk you through a little bit.

2079
01:32:55,760 --> 01:32:59,160
Speaker 1: I don't have Mike, my telestrater. But pay attention to

2080
01:32:59,200 --> 01:33:02,120
Speaker 1: the angles. Referee gonna intervene here, separate them, than turn them.

2081
01:33:02,240 --> 01:33:05,400
Speaker 1: Boots is gonna take close to the center. Royman throws

2082
01:33:05,400 --> 01:33:08,400
Speaker 1: a right and misses wide right here, and then look

2083
01:33:08,479 --> 01:33:11,519
Speaker 1: at the timing on which Boots catches him over the top,

2084
01:33:11,560 --> 01:33:13,720
Speaker 1: and then another one. Folks, all of that happened from

2085
01:33:13,760 --> 01:33:16,519
Speaker 1: the South Paul stance. He's not a Southpaul fighter. That's

2086
01:33:16,520 --> 01:33:18,799
Speaker 1: not his dominant stance. He's actually more of an Orthodox fighter.

2087
01:33:18,920 --> 01:33:22,559
Speaker 1: But he's so fucking good from either stance it doesn't matter.

2088
01:33:22,560 --> 01:33:24,880
Speaker 1: And to BC's point, so he can stand at range

2089
01:33:24,920 --> 01:33:28,040
Speaker 1: at Southpaul, at range at Orthodox or right up in

2090
01:33:28,120 --> 01:33:30,280
Speaker 1: front of you, and he could play the phone booth

2091
01:33:30,320 --> 01:33:32,760
Speaker 1: fighting game too, and he'll beat your ass at all

2092
01:33:32,800 --> 01:33:36,920
Speaker 1: of them. It is. He is a tornado of offense,

2093
01:33:37,000 --> 01:33:40,479
Speaker 1: He's a tornado of ability. There is no safe place

2094
01:33:40,920 --> 01:33:43,840
Speaker 1: to hide when Boots ennis enters the ropes. Dude, you

2095
01:33:43,960 --> 01:33:47,640
Speaker 1: got nowhere to go. It is terrifying how good he

2096
01:33:47,760 --> 01:33:49,479
Speaker 1: is BC. I will say I went back and I

2097
01:33:49,560 --> 01:33:53,599
Speaker 1: watched in this in this fight and then the Chukazan fight,

2098
01:33:53,720 --> 01:33:57,639
Speaker 1: like where he got hit the only blemish I see

2099
01:33:57,640 --> 01:33:59,120
Speaker 1: on him, And I wonder what you make of this

2100
01:33:59,320 --> 01:34:02,080
Speaker 1: is not his his ability is like I mean, it's

2101
01:34:02,280 --> 01:34:07,559
Speaker 1: there now right now. He sometimes gets so confident. I

2102
01:34:07,600 --> 01:34:10,720
Speaker 1: think he gets a little bit lax. Like he was

2103
01:34:10,720 --> 01:34:12,519
Speaker 1: doing a bunch of cross stepping where your feet are

2104
01:34:12,600 --> 01:34:15,400
Speaker 1: basically like you're walking backwards, but that you're unstable when

2105
01:34:15,439 --> 01:34:17,439
Speaker 1: you're doing that, And he got hit right up against

2106
01:34:17,439 --> 01:34:19,479
Speaker 1: the ropes by via doing that. A couple of times.

2107
01:34:19,520 --> 01:34:21,680
Speaker 1: He was walking into Chukazan and he got drilled, but

2108
01:34:21,680 --> 01:34:24,040
Speaker 1: he wasn't actually using proper footwork. So I guess my

2109
01:34:24,080 --> 01:34:26,599
Speaker 1: point is when he's boxing the way he's supposed to box,

2110
01:34:26,600 --> 01:34:29,080
Speaker 1: I don't know who's gonna beat him. But sometimes he

2111
01:34:29,160 --> 01:34:31,479
Speaker 1: lets his guard down and invites these guys in a

2112
01:34:31,479 --> 01:34:32,920
Speaker 1: little bit more than maybe they'd be there.

2113
01:34:33,080 --> 01:34:35,400
Speaker 2: Of course, because he's bored, because he's so much better

2114
01:34:35,439 --> 01:34:37,639
Speaker 2: than this level. That's it. And like he even said

2115
01:34:37,680 --> 01:34:40,439
Speaker 2: after this fight, yeah, my dad, my corner was getting

2116
01:34:40,479 --> 01:34:42,080
Speaker 2: on me, and when they were trying to get me to,

2117
01:34:42,360 --> 01:34:44,280
Speaker 2: you know, fight more from distance, be a little bit

2118
01:34:44,320 --> 01:34:47,880
Speaker 2: more safe, And I love the fact that he felt

2119
01:34:47,880 --> 01:34:50,160
Speaker 2: the need to entertain me. Look, do you think Boots

2120
01:34:50,240 --> 01:34:52,080
Speaker 2: liked what happened in that fight in January on that

2121
01:34:52,120 --> 01:34:54,599
Speaker 2: pay per view where instead of you know, people talking

2122
01:34:54,640 --> 01:34:56,799
Speaker 2: about that he won all twelve rounds and all three scorecards,

2123
01:34:56,800 --> 01:34:59,360
Speaker 2: they were talking about that he couldn't finish this, you know, tough,

2124
01:34:59,360 --> 01:35:01,880
Speaker 2: difficult guy, and maybe he's not as good as we thought.

2125
01:35:01,920 --> 01:35:04,000
Speaker 2: So he goes in the trenches against the guy and

2126
01:35:04,080 --> 01:35:07,720
Speaker 2: absolutely showcases how great he can be. Yes, sometimes he

2127
01:35:07,760 --> 01:35:12,519
Speaker 2: does welcome unnecessary danger. But look, if he came out

2128
01:35:12,520 --> 01:35:15,839
Speaker 2: there and completely dominated Via with the jab from distance,

2129
01:35:16,520 --> 01:35:18,280
Speaker 2: we would have been like, Wow, he didn't take any

2130
01:35:18,320 --> 01:35:20,559
Speaker 2: chances and he dominated like we thought he would. Hey,

2131
01:35:20,600 --> 01:35:22,920
Speaker 2: I hope he gets a big fight one day. I

2132
01:35:22,960 --> 01:35:26,200
Speaker 2: actually loved look at twenty six. I mean he's so smart,

2133
01:35:26,560 --> 01:35:30,200
Speaker 2: like technique wise, game planning wise, iqise. He also seems

2134
01:35:30,240 --> 01:35:32,360
Speaker 2: to be more mature and how he reacts to things,

2135
01:35:32,760 --> 01:35:35,040
Speaker 2: but like he knows the pulse in the situation and

2136
01:35:35,080 --> 01:35:37,400
Speaker 2: what's expected. If you want to be considered very good

2137
01:35:37,479 --> 01:35:39,880
Speaker 2: or what's expected. If you want to be considered the

2138
01:35:39,880 --> 01:35:43,519
Speaker 2: breakout star of the sport, that's like ready as ready

2139
01:35:43,560 --> 01:35:45,759
Speaker 2: as Tank and all these other guys to like literally

2140
01:35:45,760 --> 01:35:49,000
Speaker 2: be the face of the sport. Dude, he only elevated

2141
01:35:49,080 --> 01:35:51,479
Speaker 2: what he's all about by welcoming some of that danger.

2142
01:35:51,520 --> 01:35:53,960
Speaker 2: And yet he was kind of barely touched against Via

2143
01:35:54,040 --> 01:35:56,320
Speaker 2: standing right, I mean, dude, standing right in front of you.

2144
01:35:56,360 --> 01:35:59,040
Speaker 2: Saw that first round, Luke, if Boots wanted to control

2145
01:35:59,120 --> 01:36:01,400
Speaker 2: him from distance, could have done it in his sleep.

2146
01:36:01,840 --> 01:36:04,559
Speaker 2: It made it harder to entertain, and in the process

2147
01:36:04,560 --> 01:36:08,360
Speaker 2: showed us how great he might actually be. Like, yeah,

2148
01:36:08,400 --> 01:36:11,880
Speaker 2: any creater can say, fine, but who's Roman Villa. Let's

2149
01:36:11,880 --> 01:36:14,880
Speaker 2: put him in there hopefully this year the let's put

2150
01:36:14,920 --> 01:36:16,920
Speaker 2: him in there, things really gonna happen again, whether that's

2151
01:36:16,920 --> 01:36:20,240
Speaker 2: Standiosis thurman Ugas, the winner of therman Ugas, if that

2152
01:36:20,280 --> 01:36:24,639
Speaker 2: fight happens, unlikely to get either Spencer Crawford. But there's

2153
01:36:24,640 --> 01:36:27,040
Speaker 2: still big names here or you know, either big names

2154
01:36:27,160 --> 01:36:29,479
Speaker 2: or big tests he can get that will get him closer.

2155
01:36:29,840 --> 01:36:32,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, the name for me, roymand Via wasn't so much

2156
01:36:32,320 --> 01:36:34,600
Speaker 1: the story here. The story was like what kind of

2157
01:36:34,720 --> 01:36:37,760
Speaker 1: challenge he presented, which was a barrel down on you,

2158
01:36:37,960 --> 01:36:41,559
Speaker 1: tough as shit fighter who was big. He'd had guys

2159
01:36:41,560 --> 01:36:44,920
Speaker 1: who were pressure fighters before, but they weren't as physically

2160
01:36:44,960 --> 01:36:48,960
Speaker 1: sturdy as Royman. And then to see how he just

2161
01:36:49,800 --> 01:36:54,919
Speaker 1: obliterated him from just stance and range and punch selection

2162
01:36:55,080 --> 01:36:56,880
Speaker 1: and angle, I mean the angle on that finish. I

2163
01:36:57,080 --> 01:36:59,160
Speaker 1: barely even talked about it. After the right goes through.

2164
01:36:59,200 --> 01:37:01,240
Speaker 1: Look at the angle. Look who's facing who, luc Who's

2165
01:37:01,320 --> 01:37:04,120
Speaker 1: hips are facing away? I mean, he just he is

2166
01:37:04,280 --> 01:37:06,720
Speaker 1: a marvel to watch. I hope, to your point, is

2167
01:37:06,760 --> 01:37:10,080
Speaker 1: either Standiosis or Ugas or Thurman or somebody. Because if

2168
01:37:10,080 --> 01:37:12,479
Speaker 1: he can't get a name, I mean, that's all he

2169
01:37:12,479 --> 01:37:14,960
Speaker 1: should be fighting, right, you should not be fighting anybody

2170
01:37:14,960 --> 01:37:17,519
Speaker 1: else other than a big name at this point obviously

2171
01:37:17,560 --> 01:37:20,760
Speaker 1: Spencon Crawford, we don't know. But to your point, just

2172
01:37:20,760 --> 01:37:22,639
Speaker 1: a step down from that, the rest of those guys,

2173
01:37:22,640 --> 01:37:23,840
Speaker 1: Porter would have been a good fight if he was

2174
01:37:23,880 --> 01:37:27,960
Speaker 1: still around. But we'll see, we shall see ye all right, PC.

2175
01:37:28,360 --> 01:37:30,320
Speaker 1: That is it for our top five. This is now

2176
01:37:30,360 --> 01:37:33,920
Speaker 1: where we transition to the donks asking us questions. It's

2177
01:37:34,000 --> 01:37:43,240
Speaker 1: time for DM from the dignity. Donks, let's hit it, okay, BC,

2178
01:37:43,479 --> 01:37:47,479
Speaker 1: this is from OsO Aldaco. I don't I guess I'm

2179
01:37:47,479 --> 01:37:50,439
Speaker 1: saying that right. Probably not. Was the UFC Hall of

2180
01:37:50,479 --> 01:37:53,760
Speaker 1: Fame Class of twenty twenty three the best one? Yeah? Well,

2181
01:37:53,840 --> 01:37:56,000
Speaker 1: Jose Aldo was in it, Jens Pulver was in it,

2182
01:37:56,439 --> 01:37:58,880
Speaker 1: and some other ones as well. Anderson Silva. That is

2183
01:37:58,920 --> 01:38:02,479
Speaker 1: a pretty fucking good we are a class of the

2184
01:38:02,520 --> 01:38:03,040
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame.

2185
01:38:03,560 --> 01:38:05,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, did they just have DC and Anne

2186
01:38:05,840 --> 01:38:07,680
Speaker 2: Habib going in the same class a couple of years ago?

2187
01:38:07,720 --> 01:38:10,040
Speaker 2: I think that was a monster wed A GSP go

2188
01:38:10,120 --> 01:38:12,040
Speaker 2: in with Luke. He went in with some big names too.

2189
01:38:13,400 --> 01:38:15,840
Speaker 2: It's up there, It's up there. Yeah, it felt like

2190
01:38:15,960 --> 01:38:18,320
Speaker 2: royalty watching back some of those speeches in those moments,

2191
01:38:18,320 --> 01:38:20,719
Speaker 2: it felt like a very good night for the promotion.

2192
01:38:20,800 --> 01:38:23,320
Speaker 2: I still really I guess I'm alone on this, but

2193
01:38:23,360 --> 01:38:25,400
Speaker 2: I still really don't like that if you get in

2194
01:38:25,439 --> 01:38:27,800
Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame for a Hall of Fame fight,

2195
01:38:27,840 --> 01:38:29,360
Speaker 2: which is a cool idea by the way, to put

2196
01:38:29,400 --> 01:38:31,400
Speaker 2: fights in the Hall of Fame, always love that, but

2197
01:38:31,479 --> 01:38:33,120
Speaker 2: the idea that if you're in the Hall of Fame

2198
01:38:33,160 --> 01:38:37,080
Speaker 2: because of one fight, like dou HOUCHOI, you're suddenly now

2199
01:38:37,160 --> 01:38:39,760
Speaker 2: called the Hall of Fame fighter. I don't like that, Luke.

2200
01:38:39,800 --> 01:38:41,400
Speaker 2: I didn't like that when Diego got that nod. I

2201
01:38:41,439 --> 01:38:43,640
Speaker 2: don't like it that they said, hey, Robbie Lawler on

2202
01:38:43,680 --> 01:38:45,320
Speaker 2: his last night, he's already in the Hall of Fame.

2203
01:38:45,360 --> 01:38:47,839
Speaker 2: Well is not. He will be, but he's not. Really.

2204
01:38:48,200 --> 01:38:50,080
Speaker 2: That's the of thing that keeps ruining it for me, Luke.

2205
01:38:50,080 --> 01:38:52,320
Speaker 2: Shouldn't there be a distinction. Why am I the only

2206
01:38:52,320 --> 01:38:53,600
Speaker 2: one that cares about stuff like this?

2207
01:38:54,120 --> 01:38:56,400
Speaker 1: No, you're right. The fight should go into the Hall

2208
01:38:56,439 --> 01:38:59,559
Speaker 1: of Fame, but the fight hers do not unless they

2209
01:38:59,600 --> 01:39:01,920
Speaker 1: get in. Dependently of that, I agree with you. I

2210
01:39:01,960 --> 01:39:03,839
Speaker 1: will say this, we didn't really talk about it. Anderson

2211
01:39:03,880 --> 01:39:07,559
Speaker 1: Silva not posting for his own hall. I mean, for example, like,

2212
01:39:07,600 --> 01:39:09,280
Speaker 1: look how much it meant to Jose. I'm sure you

2213
01:39:09,280 --> 01:39:11,679
Speaker 1: saw the video of the walkout, and it's all these

2214
01:39:11,720 --> 01:39:14,679
Speaker 1: pictures of him and like glory through all the battles

2215
01:39:14,680 --> 01:39:16,880
Speaker 1: he had. It was beautiful, Like the UFC did a

2216
01:39:17,040 --> 01:39:19,720
Speaker 1: bang up job with that looked really really nice and

2217
01:39:19,800 --> 01:39:22,120
Speaker 1: he was crying and they played his walkout music. It

2218
01:39:22,200 --> 01:39:25,000
Speaker 1: was great, It was great. Anderson Silva just said, nah,

2219
01:39:25,000 --> 01:39:29,160
Speaker 1: I'm good like that is he sent his kid. I

2220
01:39:29,200 --> 01:39:31,240
Speaker 1: know he didn't completely tell him to go fuck himself,

2221
01:39:31,400 --> 01:39:33,360
Speaker 1: but he did tell the UFC to go fuck themselves

2222
01:39:33,400 --> 01:39:35,360
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, he's got beef with them.

2223
01:39:35,760 --> 01:39:37,839
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean, I mean, dude. There were some comments

2224
01:39:37,840 --> 01:39:41,040
Speaker 2: when Anderson fought Jake and Dana's getting you know, provocatively

2225
01:39:41,280 --> 01:39:43,479
Speaker 2: asked a lot of questions they didn't exit on on

2226
01:39:43,600 --> 01:39:46,400
Speaker 2: wonderful terms. I don't think Anderson feels appreciated on the

2227
01:39:46,479 --> 01:39:49,559
Speaker 2: level that he expects to be. But hopefully Luke that

2228
01:39:49,640 --> 01:39:52,599
Speaker 2: can get healed in some form overtime. Again, at least

2229
01:39:52,600 --> 01:39:55,400
Speaker 2: he sent his son. This was a very big class. Look,

2230
01:39:55,439 --> 01:39:57,000
Speaker 2: let's give the UFC credit for a few that they do.

2231
01:39:57,200 --> 01:39:59,040
Speaker 2: They do the Hall of Fame ceremony very well with

2232
01:39:59,080 --> 01:40:01,880
Speaker 2: the video packages in the interview a bunch of journalists.

2233
01:40:01,920 --> 01:40:04,799
Speaker 2: But also remember during the pay per view broadcast on Saturday,

2234
01:40:04,960 --> 01:40:08,160
Speaker 2: they had that montage package about Dana White's Contender Series

2235
01:40:08,160 --> 01:40:10,600
Speaker 2: which is coming back that literally made me want to

2236
01:40:10,920 --> 01:40:13,080
Speaker 2: never miss a fight again. On Dana White's Contender Series.

2237
01:40:13,120 --> 01:40:15,439
Speaker 2: I got like that was as good of a sizzle,

2238
01:40:15,479 --> 01:40:18,679
Speaker 2: real type of get you fired up, things could be done.

2239
01:40:19,640 --> 01:40:23,120
Speaker 2: You said, it when when they feel the need to flex. Dude,

2240
01:40:23,120 --> 01:40:26,320
Speaker 2: they're fantastic at this damn job. Can we keep having

2241
01:40:26,400 --> 01:40:29,120
Speaker 2: Saturday all over again? Because you know that feeling? Look,

2242
01:40:29,160 --> 01:40:30,600
Speaker 2: but just hit just hit the lips, you know what

2243
01:40:30,640 --> 01:40:32,479
Speaker 2: I mean. It's just it's damn right.

2244
01:40:32,400 --> 01:40:36,120
Speaker 1: That crack pipe smoking, smoking those crack rocks, all right.

2245
01:40:36,479 --> 01:40:39,599
Speaker 1: B See question number two from Cole Brown eight five

2246
01:40:39,640 --> 01:40:42,400
Speaker 1: to eight. How much has Brandon Moreno changed the way

2247
01:40:42,439 --> 01:40:44,559
Speaker 1: fans look at the flyweight division? In a weight class

2248
01:40:44,600 --> 01:40:47,200
Speaker 1: that was on the brink of being scratched, Brandon has

2249
01:40:47,200 --> 01:40:49,760
Speaker 1: come to put on a war win or lose. I

2250
01:40:49,760 --> 01:40:51,599
Speaker 1: think he says in every fight.

2251
01:40:52,200 --> 01:40:53,439
Speaker 3: I don't I don't.

2252
01:40:53,280 --> 01:40:55,280
Speaker 1: Really understand this. Like I do think that there are

2253
01:40:55,360 --> 01:40:58,000
Speaker 1: certain flyweight fighters who have captured the imagination of the

2254
01:40:58,000 --> 01:41:01,320
Speaker 1: fan base. But like we said this, if you just

2255
01:41:01,360 --> 01:41:04,400
Speaker 1: look at the box office returns, have the fans really

2256
01:41:04,520 --> 01:41:06,120
Speaker 1: changed their preference on flyweight?

2257
01:41:06,200 --> 01:41:09,040
Speaker 2: No, that's not what they're saying. Here's what they're really saying,

2258
01:41:09,120 --> 01:41:14,519
Speaker 2: Luke post Shudo and DJ it could have gotten folded,

2259
01:41:14,840 --> 01:41:16,840
Speaker 2: but it ultimately didn't. So you can argue that with

2260
01:41:16,840 --> 01:41:19,760
Speaker 2: Suhudo's doing to keep it alive, they put suddenly put

2261
01:41:19,760 --> 01:41:21,800
Speaker 2: matchmaker Mick Maynard on it, and he gets a lot

2262
01:41:21,840 --> 01:41:23,479
Speaker 2: of credit. I try to bring up a lot because

2263
01:41:23,560 --> 01:41:26,240
Speaker 2: he deserves it for making this must see. They're trying

2264
01:41:26,280 --> 01:41:29,479
Speaker 2: to say, is Moreno the connective tissue across the board

2265
01:41:29,520 --> 01:41:32,920
Speaker 2: that has made this new post Suhuto flyweight era so

2266
01:41:33,160 --> 01:41:35,800
Speaker 2: fun and so much see. I'll counter and say he's

2267
01:41:35,840 --> 01:41:38,840
Speaker 2: a major player, but I think it's the combination of

2268
01:41:38,920 --> 01:41:42,960
Speaker 2: the matchmaking and all of them figuredo in four fights

2269
01:41:42,960 --> 01:41:46,360
Speaker 2: against Moreno just pouring it out right, like Askar Askar

2270
01:41:46,520 --> 01:41:49,080
Speaker 2: before he left, had some six fights Kai Carfet. Everyone

2271
01:41:49,120 --> 01:41:51,880
Speaker 2: in this top ten against one another just keeps trading

2272
01:41:51,880 --> 01:41:54,960
Speaker 2: win losses and absolute fire fights. If you went back

2273
01:41:54,960 --> 01:41:57,000
Speaker 2: and tried to chart it, Luke, it might be hard

2274
01:41:57,040 --> 01:41:59,240
Speaker 2: to find a three round fight involving grank guys over

2275
01:41:59,280 --> 01:42:02,080
Speaker 2: the past two of three years that didn't that wasn't awesome.

2276
01:42:02,320 --> 01:42:05,439
Speaker 2: It's this entire division. Moreno, to his credit in the

2277
01:42:05,479 --> 01:42:08,559
Speaker 2: reinvention and becoming a two time champion, he's he's been

2278
01:42:08,600 --> 01:42:11,400
Speaker 2: a large face of it. But it's not just him, dude,

2279
01:42:11,400 --> 01:42:15,160
Speaker 2: it's Pantosia too, right, It's all of them. Nick Maynard two, Yeah,

2280
01:42:15,160 --> 01:42:15,799
Speaker 2: it's everybody.

2281
01:42:16,520 --> 01:42:18,479
Speaker 1: Fair enough. I'm just saying I think it's great that

2282
01:42:18,479 --> 01:42:20,280
Speaker 1: they kept it around. I do think that a fight

2283
01:42:20,360 --> 01:42:22,120
Speaker 1: like that speaks to the quality of what you can

2284
01:42:22,160 --> 01:42:25,439
Speaker 1: get in the uniqueness of how much dynamism there is

2285
01:42:25,520 --> 01:42:28,120
Speaker 1: in that division. But I think people are like, oh

2286
01:42:28,120 --> 01:42:29,759
Speaker 1: my god, is this this is so great? It's like, yeah,

2287
01:42:29,760 --> 01:42:32,200
Speaker 1: but the casual fan doesn't give a shit, so yeah, yeah,

2288
01:42:32,280 --> 01:42:35,320
Speaker 1: let's just be real about that, all right. Three from

2289
01:42:35,520 --> 01:42:38,479
Speaker 1: Eerie Iran Delaney. I don't know how I say this

2290
01:42:38,600 --> 01:42:41,680
Speaker 1: name how likely is it that Mexico has zero champions

2291
01:42:42,040 --> 01:42:43,479
Speaker 1: at the end of the year. I gotta say I

2292
01:42:43,520 --> 01:42:46,479
Speaker 1: saw Bisping being like, oh, Chevchenko's best days are over,

2293
01:42:47,240 --> 01:42:51,479
Speaker 1: And I definitely feel like in the biggest broadest sense

2294
01:42:51,560 --> 01:42:53,599
Speaker 1: that is true. I don't think she's at the peak

2295
01:42:53,640 --> 01:42:57,160
Speaker 1: of her powers anymore. Okay, fair enough, and again the

2296
01:42:57,160 --> 01:43:00,519
Speaker 1: broad strokes, I agree BC, but I'm not gonna say

2297
01:43:00,560 --> 01:43:03,880
Speaker 1: that win was fluky. I'm not. What I am gonna

2298
01:43:03,880 --> 01:43:06,720
Speaker 1: say is for a Shiftchenko, who now has the opportunity

2299
01:43:06,800 --> 01:43:10,640
Speaker 1: to make adjustments, it gets harder, I think it doesn't it.

2300
01:43:11,520 --> 01:43:13,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it is interesting that you're talking about

2301
01:43:13,320 --> 01:43:15,599
Speaker 2: female fights and using the term broad strokes. Luke, don't

2302
01:43:15,640 --> 01:43:17,200
Speaker 2: you I mean what you want them to make you

2303
01:43:17,240 --> 01:43:18,000
Speaker 2: a sandwich too?

2304
01:43:21,400 --> 01:43:24,160
Speaker 1: You're you're You're a despicable human. I want you to

2305
01:43:24,200 --> 01:43:24,759
Speaker 1: know that.

2306
01:43:25,520 --> 01:43:28,160
Speaker 2: She could very well win this back. And obviously she's training,

2307
01:43:28,160 --> 01:43:31,479
Speaker 2: probably harder than ever before, and she's constantly adding new

2308
01:43:31,479 --> 01:43:33,040
Speaker 2: things to do that. So I think this fight is

2309
01:43:33,080 --> 01:43:36,479
Speaker 2: up for grabs. It's a great fight. We may go

2310
01:43:36,560 --> 01:43:38,320
Speaker 2: through it. We may go from you know, three or

2311
01:43:38,360 --> 01:43:41,800
Speaker 2: four champions to none. Can you blame Al Donna's fair, Luke,

2312
01:43:41,840 --> 01:43:43,519
Speaker 2: I'm doing a bit with the Al Donna thing, although

2313
01:43:43,640 --> 01:43:45,480
Speaker 2: it obviously was a non representative.

2314
01:43:45,560 --> 01:43:45,920
Speaker 3: Dude for me.

2315
01:43:46,160 --> 01:43:50,280
Speaker 1: The two fighters that you think have the worst magic

2316
01:43:50,479 --> 01:43:54,799
Speaker 1: ever middle Nog and Donna.

2317
01:43:56,000 --> 01:43:57,880
Speaker 3: You just on the game.

2318
01:43:58,240 --> 01:44:00,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like to call them in between. No shout

2319
01:44:00,680 --> 01:44:02,599
Speaker 2: out to little Nog. But is he riding the coach tails?

2320
01:44:02,720 --> 01:44:03,880
Speaker 2: Yes he is, Luke.

2321
01:44:04,240 --> 01:44:04,280
Speaker 1: No.

2322
01:44:04,800 --> 01:44:07,120
Speaker 2: Look, it will come and go. I think that we will.

2323
01:44:07,160 --> 01:44:09,479
Speaker 2: We're starting to see the impact of what Mexican mad

2324
01:44:09,560 --> 01:44:14,080
Speaker 2: can do with like grassroots champions from the country who try,

2325
01:44:14,200 --> 01:44:16,240
Speaker 2: you know, they become an aide saying I want to

2326
01:44:16,280 --> 01:44:18,800
Speaker 2: become an MMA champion. That's what they're doing. The ripple

2327
01:44:18,800 --> 01:44:21,200
Speaker 2: effect will be great, But will we see them with

2328
01:44:21,240 --> 01:44:22,840
Speaker 2: a belt? You may not, Luke. I mean, do we

2329
01:44:22,840 --> 01:44:24,840
Speaker 2: ever expect Brazil to go you know, to have a

2330
01:44:24,880 --> 01:44:28,280
Speaker 2: point of having zero titles and then Pantosa change that. No,

2331
01:44:28,640 --> 01:44:30,559
Speaker 2: it does kind of come and go waves. It's hard

2332
01:44:30,560 --> 01:44:33,880
Speaker 2: to keep belts. But yeah, I think one day they'll

2333
01:44:33,920 --> 01:44:37,160
Speaker 2: do a documentary on how Aldonna closed this chap, this

2334
01:44:37,200 --> 01:44:38,800
Speaker 2: great chapter in Mexicano Maine.

2335
01:44:38,800 --> 01:44:41,920
Speaker 1: It's unfortunately, it really is. If that comes to pass,

2336
01:44:41,960 --> 01:44:45,240
Speaker 1: which given our history of cursing things, it probably will.

2337
01:44:45,240 --> 01:44:50,080
Speaker 1: All right for Paul Go Dennet's go. Dents says, who's

2338
01:44:50,160 --> 01:44:53,080
Speaker 1: the best bet for actually fighting Islam? And Abu Dhabi

2339
01:44:54,000 --> 01:44:56,880
Speaker 1: kind of been over this one a little bit. Best bet? See,

2340
01:44:56,920 --> 01:44:58,200
Speaker 1: do you think they give it to Chandler? Do you

2341
01:44:58,200 --> 01:45:01,519
Speaker 1: think is any way Chandler gets it? Because it would

2342
01:45:01,560 --> 01:45:01,800
Speaker 1: have to.

2343
01:45:01,800 --> 01:45:04,360
Speaker 2: Then it would have to be them admitting that this

2344
01:45:04,760 --> 01:45:09,160
Speaker 2: Connor Tough slash Usada situation is in has become an

2345
01:45:09,160 --> 01:45:11,439
Speaker 2: absolute debacle. I know Dana went on this, you know,

2346
01:45:11,560 --> 01:45:15,160
Speaker 2: fire ran against the media for miss, he says, miscongruing

2347
01:45:15,240 --> 01:45:20,240
Speaker 2: his comments about forget you Sada that he told miss

2348
01:45:20,240 --> 01:45:20,960
Speaker 2: can miss.

2349
01:45:21,080 --> 01:45:21,240
Speaker 1: Uh.

2350
01:45:21,320 --> 01:45:22,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I thought you were gonna let me

2351
01:45:22,760 --> 01:45:24,840
Speaker 2: have that, Luke. I don't know if I necessarily deserve

2352
01:45:24,920 --> 01:45:27,320
Speaker 2: being you know, grammar police in the moment, like they're

2353
01:45:27,360 --> 01:45:29,880
Speaker 2: like I tried to do for you, for your you know,

2354
01:45:29,960 --> 01:45:32,080
Speaker 2: putting women in you know, not on a pedestal like

2355
01:45:32,080 --> 01:45:34,400
Speaker 2: they belong. Luke, I don't know where are we in

2356
01:45:34,439 --> 01:45:36,280
Speaker 2: this show? Luke again, just take us out of here.

2357
01:45:36,280 --> 01:45:37,400
Speaker 2: Where are we?

2358
01:45:36,920 --> 01:45:40,519
Speaker 1: Where Who's who's fighting Islam and Abu Dhabi? Is it

2359
01:45:40,560 --> 01:45:41,280
Speaker 1: going to be Chandler?

2360
01:45:41,520 --> 01:45:43,479
Speaker 2: Okay, let's let let's go on the record now for

2361
01:45:43,520 --> 01:45:46,320
Speaker 2: what we believe will happen next with with Vulcan, because

2362
01:45:46,360 --> 01:45:48,719
Speaker 2: Vulk plays a big role in this, Luke. If Volks

2363
01:45:48,840 --> 01:45:51,880
Speaker 2: turn around on that surgery, which Dana reiterated was just

2364
01:45:51,960 --> 01:45:54,640
Speaker 2: a scope, Volks team was saying somewhere right where it

2365
01:45:54,680 --> 01:45:56,439
Speaker 2: might be six to eight weeks, is that true?

2366
01:45:56,560 --> 01:45:57,080
Speaker 3: That's the truth?

2367
01:45:57,160 --> 01:45:59,000
Speaker 1: Yep, yep, he's.

2368
01:45:58,840 --> 01:46:01,080
Speaker 2: Got He's gonna fight Islam. That's what they're gonna do,

2369
01:46:01,120 --> 01:46:03,040
Speaker 2: and that's what they should do, Luke. And it doesn't

2370
01:46:03,080 --> 01:46:05,519
Speaker 2: mean the Trapoya fight won't happen eventually, because it does

2371
01:46:05,560 --> 01:46:08,439
Speaker 2: seem like Bronni said that. Damn, I just called him

2372
01:46:08,439 --> 01:46:10,960
Speaker 2: Bronni and it sounded weird, Luke, like Bronsteadter said that

2373
01:46:11,439 --> 01:46:14,240
Speaker 2: if like they that he might want a meaning Volk

2374
01:46:14,320 --> 01:46:16,240
Speaker 2: jump up and down between waight classes, which is hard

2375
01:46:16,240 --> 01:46:18,040
Speaker 2: to do, but he might want to. You gotta make

2376
01:46:18,080 --> 01:46:20,240
Speaker 2: this next, So forget Chandler, Luke, that would turn into

2377
01:46:20,280 --> 01:46:23,639
Speaker 2: a debacle there, let's make I mean, the only way

2378
01:46:23,720 --> 01:46:27,120
Speaker 2: Chandler's fight in Islam is if they're gonna make mcgreg

2379
01:46:27,160 --> 01:46:30,160
Speaker 2: or Volkanovsky. And they're not gonna do that, Luke.

2380
01:46:31,640 --> 01:46:33,920
Speaker 1: No, they're not gonna do that. Probably not gonna do that.

2381
01:46:34,479 --> 01:46:36,280
Speaker 1: It's not a great fight for McGregor.

2382
01:46:36,600 --> 01:46:38,840
Speaker 2: Candidly, no, it would be the only reason they would

2383
01:46:38,880 --> 01:46:41,080
Speaker 2: do that is to try to make Volkanovsky like their

2384
01:46:41,120 --> 01:46:42,120
Speaker 2: biggest stock star.

2385
01:46:42,320 --> 01:46:44,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, but to do that at thirty five, it's like

2386
01:46:44,120 --> 01:46:45,960
Speaker 1: the time to do that was a year ago.

2387
01:46:46,040 --> 01:46:47,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, the storyline is there. It's the only

2388
01:46:47,720 --> 01:46:50,200
Speaker 2: featherweight champion. He hasn't faced right like this or whatever

2389
01:46:50,400 --> 01:46:54,679
Speaker 2: the story is there, hasn't beaten whatever. But yeah, all right, all.

2390
01:46:54,640 --> 01:46:57,680
Speaker 1: Right, last, but not least from Dallin M. Johnson, what

2391
01:46:57,800 --> 01:46:59,880
Speaker 1: happens to good question? What happens to Jack Dala? Ma

2392
01:47:00,040 --> 01:47:03,200
Speaker 1: Atlana financially, he's asked out. He went through a whole

2393
01:47:03,240 --> 01:47:07,320
Speaker 1: training camp only to not fight. Truly, the UFC compensates him, right, No,

2394
01:47:07,400 --> 01:47:09,560
Speaker 1: at least they're under no obligation. It sounds like what

2395
01:47:09,600 --> 01:47:11,000
Speaker 1: they're going to try and do is put him on

2396
01:47:11,000 --> 01:47:13,599
Speaker 1: a card this weekend because he came all this way.

2397
01:47:13,720 --> 01:47:16,120
Speaker 1: He's spent probably I'm gonna guess somewhere in the order

2398
01:47:16,120 --> 01:47:20,240
Speaker 1: of tens of thousands of dollars to make this camp happen.

2399
01:47:20,280 --> 01:47:22,080
Speaker 1: He wants to compete, he wants to get his money.

2400
01:47:22,120 --> 01:47:24,280
Speaker 1: But we went over this. One of the times where

2401
01:47:24,320 --> 01:47:25,880
Speaker 1: Habib fell out was a two o seven to two

2402
01:47:25,920 --> 01:47:28,320
Speaker 1: oh nine when he was supposed to fight Tony and

2403
01:47:28,400 --> 01:47:31,360
Speaker 1: Tony weighed in. The way that the contracts work is

2404
01:47:31,360 --> 01:47:33,120
Speaker 1: we all say that there's win and show our show

2405
01:47:33,160 --> 01:47:35,879
Speaker 1: and win money. That doesn't exist in any UFC contract

2406
01:47:35,920 --> 01:47:38,360
Speaker 1: doesn't work that way. There's the purse, which is what

2407
01:47:38,400 --> 01:47:40,559
Speaker 1: you would associate with the show money, and then there's

2408
01:47:40,560 --> 01:47:42,439
Speaker 1: the win bonus if they win, which of course is

2409
01:47:42,479 --> 01:47:44,439
Speaker 1: the win money. But that's how it goes, and you

2410
01:47:44,439 --> 01:47:47,880
Speaker 1: can only get the purse if you weigh in and

2411
01:47:48,000 --> 01:47:50,880
Speaker 1: you actually compete, So if you weigh in and you

2412
01:47:50,880 --> 01:47:55,000
Speaker 1: don't fight, you are contractually entitled to nothing. You get

2413
01:47:55,040 --> 01:47:59,200
Speaker 1: absolutely Zelch. It would require UFC generosity to get anything

2414
01:47:59,200 --> 01:48:00,880
Speaker 1: out of them, which at times they show be see

2415
01:48:01,000 --> 01:48:01,800
Speaker 1: at times they don't.

2416
01:48:02,720 --> 01:48:05,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair, that's very fair, Luke, that is fair.

2417
01:48:05,400 --> 01:48:09,080
Speaker 2: But the fact that they're they almost gave him. They

2418
01:48:09,080 --> 01:48:11,840
Speaker 2: tried to make the Chris Curtis fight extreme last minute

2419
01:48:11,880 --> 01:48:14,360
Speaker 2: for him, and I think everybody agreed. But then I

2420
01:48:14,400 --> 01:48:16,960
Speaker 2: had read that the two matchmakers of the UFC were

2421
01:48:17,000 --> 01:48:19,640
Speaker 2: split because Curtis is on a September card and they

2422
01:48:19,640 --> 01:48:23,040
Speaker 2: would have had to fill that hole. So they tried.

2423
01:48:23,120 --> 01:48:24,760
Speaker 2: He tried. I hope they do give him a chance.

2424
01:48:24,800 --> 01:48:27,320
Speaker 2: It doesn't even really matter the level of opponent, because

2425
01:48:27,360 --> 01:48:29,680
Speaker 2: he's been through the I mean, he's been through the

2426
01:48:29,680 --> 01:48:31,479
Speaker 2: mill of bad luck. So and by the way, his

2427
01:48:31,520 --> 01:48:34,040
Speaker 2: opponent that fell out is like not doing well right, Luke,

2428
01:48:34,080 --> 01:48:34,559
Speaker 2: Is that true?

2429
01:48:35,680 --> 01:48:39,200
Speaker 1: The gentleman who they caught had I mean it was

2430
01:48:39,200 --> 01:48:41,800
Speaker 1: actually an interesting story. So basically he had a brain

2431
01:48:41,840 --> 01:48:45,400
Speaker 1: condition where there's like these bundles they get. I'm not

2432
01:48:45,400 --> 01:48:47,960
Speaker 1: sure exactly how it all works biologically, but the point

2433
01:48:47,960 --> 01:48:51,560
Speaker 1: being is there is a certain amount of unfortunate crossover

2434
01:48:51,880 --> 01:48:54,559
Speaker 1: inside the brain between the you know, the various organs

2435
01:48:54,560 --> 01:48:56,560
Speaker 1: and how it all operates there, and you know the

2436
01:48:57,120 --> 01:49:01,439
Speaker 1: how the blood is and the nervous system intertwined such

2437
01:49:01,479 --> 01:49:05,000
Speaker 1: that if it's if it was hit with blood force trauma,

2438
01:49:05,120 --> 01:49:09,920
Speaker 1: it could cause death and other serious brain complications. Like

2439
01:49:10,040 --> 01:49:13,200
Speaker 1: it makes you uniquely susceptible to these problems if you

2440
01:49:13,240 --> 01:49:16,160
Speaker 1: actually get hit there. But the interesting story is less

2441
01:49:16,200 --> 01:49:18,840
Speaker 1: so that, although I certainly am glad that they discovered it,

2442
01:49:18,840 --> 01:49:21,519
Speaker 1: but it's just that the discovery so like this was

2443
01:49:21,520 --> 01:49:23,439
Speaker 1: one of the criticisms folks were making of the UFC,

2444
01:49:23,479 --> 01:49:25,559
Speaker 1: and after this weekend, I don't want to do this

2445
01:49:25,600 --> 01:49:26,880
Speaker 1: a lot. In fact, I don't even know what the

2446
01:49:26,920 --> 01:49:29,040
Speaker 1: right answer is because to your point, they want to

2447
01:49:29,040 --> 01:49:30,880
Speaker 1: get Chris Curtis on there, but they would have had

2448
01:49:30,880 --> 01:49:32,960
Speaker 1: to rob Peter to pay Paul in order to do that.

2449
01:49:33,000 --> 01:49:37,240
Speaker 1: So there's a cost either way. But the UFC, they

2450
01:49:37,280 --> 01:49:40,000
Speaker 1: typically go to more established states in terms of their commissions,

2451
01:49:40,000 --> 01:49:43,400
Speaker 1: at least long standing ones California and Nevada, that kind

2452
01:49:43,439 --> 01:49:46,120
Speaker 1: of thing, And they require, even independent of state, a

2453
01:49:46,160 --> 01:49:49,679
Speaker 1: certain battery of medical tests that regional promoters either don't

2454
01:49:50,000 --> 01:49:52,559
Speaker 1: or the commissions in these like backward states don't. So

2455
01:49:52,600 --> 01:49:55,120
Speaker 1: these guys just go into the cage with like very

2456
01:49:55,160 --> 01:49:57,479
Speaker 1: little medical oversight. And it wasn't until you had to

2457
01:49:57,479 --> 01:50:00,479
Speaker 1: do a fuller battery of tests that they discovered it.

2458
01:50:00,520 --> 01:50:04,479
Speaker 1: So the argument would BEBC, they should have done as

2459
01:50:04,560 --> 01:50:07,280
Speaker 1: somebody who was already on the roster, who's been competing regularly,

2460
01:50:07,320 --> 01:50:09,960
Speaker 1: because they've already got all those medical screenings. You pull

2461
01:50:10,000 --> 01:50:12,160
Speaker 1: these dudes up from the regional show, you just don't

2462
01:50:12,160 --> 01:50:13,080
Speaker 1: know what's gonna happen.

2463
01:50:13,160 --> 01:50:15,360
Speaker 2: I think I don't know how was it.

2464
01:50:15,520 --> 01:50:17,800
Speaker 1: Josiah was his name, Josiah Josiah Harrel.

2465
01:50:17,880 --> 01:50:22,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And and Dana did say that val Woodburn,

2466
01:50:22,160 --> 01:50:24,519
Speaker 2: who came in last minute to fight Nicol, will get

2467
01:50:24,560 --> 01:50:27,680
Speaker 2: another fight because he did it. I hope, obviously healthwise,

2468
01:50:27,760 --> 01:50:31,960
Speaker 2: that Harold bounces back here Luke, and if he's healthy

2469
01:50:32,000 --> 01:50:34,200
Speaker 2: and cleared to fight eventually, that he gets an opportunity

2470
01:50:34,240 --> 01:50:36,040
Speaker 2: for being willing to do this. I mean, they that

2471
01:50:36,080 --> 01:50:38,000
Speaker 2: guy just signed out of nowhere and just showed up

2472
01:50:38,040 --> 01:50:39,479
Speaker 2: and yeah there you go.

2473
01:50:39,560 --> 01:50:42,759
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, you're desperate to get to BC's FECs,

2474
01:50:42,800 --> 01:50:44,920
Speaker 1: so let's just do it right now, My friends, show

2475
01:50:45,000 --> 01:50:45,919
Speaker 1: me your shit.

2476
01:50:46,280 --> 01:50:50,599
Speaker 2: Wow, Luke. I scoured the globe yesterday for the good,

2477
01:50:50,680 --> 01:50:52,599
Speaker 2: the bad, the ugly, the highs, the lows, the in

2478
01:50:52,680 --> 01:50:55,400
Speaker 2: betweens and combat sports and beyond. I can't claim this

2479
01:50:55,439 --> 01:50:58,160
Speaker 2: is as strong as Friday's. You know, all time great

2480
01:50:58,200 --> 01:51:01,080
Speaker 2: one was because I robbed Peter to play pay Paul

2481
01:51:01,160 --> 01:51:03,680
Speaker 2: as you say, and and cross streams there to make

2482
01:51:03,720 --> 01:51:07,160
Speaker 2: that batch those dynamics across. But this is this is

2483
01:51:07,200 --> 01:51:15,439
Speaker 2: the ship we got. It's BC's feet. Oh okay, Luke,

2484
01:51:18,000 --> 01:51:20,400
Speaker 2: Before I throw this video because to UFC two ninety

2485
01:51:20,439 --> 01:51:22,559
Speaker 2: in Vegas, that's how we always start off. I want

2486
01:51:22,560 --> 01:51:25,040
Speaker 2: to play one more time that interaction between Izzy and

2487
01:51:25,120 --> 01:51:27,840
Speaker 2: d DP Luke not to jump on anybody, and I

2488
01:51:27,840 --> 01:51:31,360
Speaker 2: thought Bronsteadter did kind of give a nice fresh perspective

2489
01:51:31,400 --> 01:51:33,000
Speaker 2: of it. But I do have one key question. I'm

2490
01:51:33,000 --> 01:51:36,360
Speaker 2: gonna hit you up with, let's go back one more times?

2491
01:51:36,680 --> 01:51:40,320
Speaker 4: True that right, We're fine, Relax, relax, You're like, this

2492
01:51:40,479 --> 01:51:41,360
Speaker 4: is my African brother.

2493
01:51:41,479 --> 01:51:42,280
Speaker 2: Rya, yes, go.

2494
01:51:42,400 --> 01:51:46,479
Speaker 3: Nigga, what's up, bitch, Let's go nigga here, nigga, what's up?

2495
01:51:46,600 --> 01:51:48,880
Speaker 5: Nigga?

2496
01:51:48,320 --> 01:51:49,280
Speaker 2: Na yea?

2497
01:51:49,439 --> 01:51:53,320
Speaker 5: My African brother, Yeah, my African brother what's up, nigga?

2498
01:51:53,520 --> 01:51:54,519
Speaker 2: I'm African, but I.

2499
01:51:54,640 --> 01:51:55,679
Speaker 1: No grun up your.

2500
01:51:55,640 --> 01:51:57,920
Speaker 2: Sign my nigga. Let's go you my nigga for real.

2501
01:51:58,960 --> 01:52:01,439
Speaker 3: So what do you say, David New Zealand? What are

2502
01:52:01,479 --> 01:52:01,920
Speaker 3: you saying?

2503
01:52:02,880 --> 01:52:03,120
Speaker 1: Jo Joe?

2504
01:52:03,120 --> 01:52:04,760
Speaker 2: I'll tell you one thing, yo, I don't need a

2505
01:52:04,880 --> 01:52:05,599
Speaker 2: DNA test.

2506
01:52:06,040 --> 01:52:07,760
Speaker 1: I do need a thirty six and me to know

2507
01:52:07,800 --> 01:52:08,559
Speaker 1: where I'm from.

2508
01:52:08,920 --> 01:52:11,479
Speaker 4: You if I do what twenty six and me, those

2509
01:52:11,479 --> 01:52:14,160
Speaker 4: half of Nigeria to what twenty six and me DNA

2510
01:52:14,200 --> 01:52:15,679
Speaker 4: tests is gonna tell you where you're from?

2511
01:52:15,800 --> 01:52:21,360
Speaker 2: I will show you where you're from. Luke. I want

2512
01:52:21,360 --> 01:52:23,160
Speaker 2: to give you an intervention, but a chance to defend

2513
01:52:23,160 --> 01:52:26,320
Speaker 2: yourself because our fan base is not completely happy to you.

2514
01:52:26,360 --> 01:52:28,000
Speaker 2: They did assault my DMS.

2515
01:52:27,680 --> 01:52:31,080
Speaker 1: And mean, I mean, our right wing fan base doesn't like.

2516
01:52:32,960 --> 01:52:35,200
Speaker 2: Of not putting my foot down after you said, hey,

2517
01:52:35,240 --> 01:52:38,000
Speaker 2: look man is he was drunk? That was kind of funny.

2518
01:52:38,320 --> 01:52:40,720
Speaker 2: I did think Aaron really kind of connected us to

2519
01:52:41,120 --> 01:52:44,280
Speaker 2: some levels of Look, we can't we're not from Africa, Luke,

2520
01:52:44,320 --> 01:52:46,639
Speaker 2: We're not a black man in this situation. But look,

2521
01:52:46,680 --> 01:52:50,000
Speaker 2: that was distasteful as shit, Luke, it was I don't

2522
01:52:50,040 --> 01:52:50,280
Speaker 2: like that.

2523
01:52:50,320 --> 01:52:52,920
Speaker 1: Look for the promotion, Yeah, I mean, I'm not, dude,

2524
01:52:52,920 --> 01:52:54,960
Speaker 1: he was up there drunk calling a white guy the

2525
01:52:55,040 --> 01:52:57,360
Speaker 1: N word. I mean, this is hardly the behavior of

2526
01:52:57,400 --> 01:53:01,160
Speaker 1: someone you know that you would like, you know, this

2527
01:53:01,280 --> 01:53:04,040
Speaker 1: is not what children should be emulating. I understand. It's

2528
01:53:04,040 --> 01:53:06,439
Speaker 1: just like, this is what I understand. Like, are people

2529
01:53:06,479 --> 01:53:09,320
Speaker 1: gonna really sit there and say you found it distasteful? Fair?

2530
01:53:09,720 --> 01:53:12,240
Speaker 1: No argument? You found it unfunny? Fair?

2531
01:53:12,280 --> 01:53:12,519
Speaker 3: Fine?

2532
01:53:12,560 --> 01:53:17,240
Speaker 1: No, I'm not okay, you were offended? I mean, please

2533
01:53:17,320 --> 01:53:20,640
Speaker 1: be serious, like, no one was actually offended by that

2534
01:53:20,760 --> 01:53:24,320
Speaker 1: other than perhaps like the off puttingness of it, but

2535
01:53:24,400 --> 01:53:26,320
Speaker 1: that he was calling a white guy the N word

2536
01:53:26,400 --> 01:53:29,439
Speaker 1: like this you got I thought I thought this was

2537
01:53:29,439 --> 01:53:31,840
Speaker 1: the crowd that didn't clutch their pearls, and now they're

2538
01:53:31,880 --> 01:53:32,599
Speaker 1: clutching pearls.

2539
01:53:32,880 --> 01:53:35,160
Speaker 2: So which is comeback? I mean, you gotta love the

2540
01:53:35,240 --> 01:53:37,240
Speaker 2: UFC Twitter account and you're like, we're not gonna bleep

2541
01:53:37,280 --> 01:53:37,760
Speaker 2: that out, would you do?

2542
01:53:37,960 --> 01:53:39,479
Speaker 1: I know what, dude, I was about to say. I

2543
01:53:39,479 --> 01:53:41,479
Speaker 1: thought for sure you they were about to bleep it,

2544
01:53:41,640 --> 01:53:42,120
Speaker 1: and they did.

2545
01:53:42,439 --> 01:53:44,479
Speaker 2: I have to ask if I'm going to play the

2546
01:53:44,479 --> 01:53:47,599
Speaker 2: intermediator for these fans, whether they storm the Capitol or not. Luke,

2547
01:53:47,640 --> 01:53:50,880
Speaker 2: I'll say this Their idea was if this, and it's

2548
01:53:50,920 --> 01:53:52,840
Speaker 2: easy to make this counter argument, but if that was

2549
01:53:52,880 --> 01:53:56,519
Speaker 2: a white guy talking about somebody who was born in

2550
01:53:56,560 --> 01:53:58,840
Speaker 2: our country but is from a different country and said,

2551
01:53:58,880 --> 01:54:01,080
Speaker 2: you know, twenty three and meters you're not you know,

2552
01:54:01,439 --> 01:54:04,120
Speaker 2: you're not really of this, go back and trace your origin.

2553
01:54:04,280 --> 01:54:07,120
Speaker 2: That's racist as shit, Luke, Isn't that what just happened.

2554
01:54:07,240 --> 01:54:09,200
Speaker 2: That's why I think there's a really bad look altogether

2555
01:54:09,360 --> 01:54:11,960
Speaker 2: that we even would have this debate. But people are saying,

2556
01:54:11,960 --> 01:54:14,880
Speaker 2: because you dick, right, Izzy, you can't be subjective, and.

2557
01:54:14,880 --> 01:54:17,680
Speaker 1: I wonder argument. So if someone was okay, so let's

2558
01:54:17,680 --> 01:54:20,160
Speaker 1: see if I understand this, they're saying. The equivalent would

2559
01:54:20,160 --> 01:54:23,320
Speaker 1: be if let's say a white guy here.

2560
01:54:24,840 --> 01:54:28,160
Speaker 2: Was was like, hey, Hispanic man, because you're even if

2561
01:54:28,160 --> 01:54:30,680
Speaker 2: you were born here because of your family origins, right,

2562
01:54:30,680 --> 01:54:34,360
Speaker 2: which is all bullshit? Uh in so many ways anyway, Luke,

2563
01:54:34,400 --> 01:54:36,560
Speaker 2: but what if that happened in the UFC KGE You'd get.

2564
01:54:36,480 --> 01:54:38,480
Speaker 1: Like I do, I just don't understand it because how

2565
01:54:38,520 --> 01:54:40,480
Speaker 1: would the white guy be the one spitting the racial

2566
01:54:40,480 --> 01:54:43,200
Speaker 1: epithets in this context?

2567
01:54:43,280 --> 01:54:45,240
Speaker 2: Okay, what if a white guy born in the US

2568
01:54:45,360 --> 01:54:48,080
Speaker 2: looked at someone from any other culture, but were born

2569
01:54:48,120 --> 01:54:50,080
Speaker 2: in the US and said, because you're from a different

2570
01:54:50,120 --> 01:54:52,240
Speaker 2: culture even though everyone in the US unless you.

2571
01:54:52,360 --> 01:54:54,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it is he doesn't say, dude, Izzy has

2572
01:54:54,440 --> 01:54:56,560
Speaker 1: been very clear. He said us on aerial show. I

2573
01:54:56,600 --> 01:54:58,360
Speaker 1: saw it. He didn't say back. Here's what he said.

2574
01:54:58,360 --> 01:55:01,200
Speaker 1: I thought was actually pretty good response, which was he

2575
01:55:01,240 --> 01:55:04,839
Speaker 1: didn't say that he cared that that guy is African.

2576
01:55:04,880 --> 01:55:06,920
Speaker 1: Of course he is African. The fucking guy was born

2577
01:55:06,960 --> 01:55:09,000
Speaker 1: and lived there. Like just there's no way to take

2578
01:55:09,040 --> 01:55:13,680
Speaker 1: Africa from Drigis Duplessy, that is, that is inextricably linked.

2579
01:55:13,880 --> 01:55:18,560
Speaker 1: Rather that he had asserted himself as this, uh, the

2580
01:55:18,640 --> 01:55:24,720
Speaker 1: authentic representative, that that that this actually began with him.

2581
01:55:24,760 --> 01:55:27,360
Speaker 1: And it's like the point he had made was if

2582
01:55:27,720 --> 01:55:30,400
Speaker 1: let's say Drigis had done this, Dragis had said, I

2583
01:55:30,440 --> 01:55:32,960
Speaker 1: look up to Francis and what Kamaru has done and

2584
01:55:33,000 --> 01:55:34,520
Speaker 1: what is he has done, and I want to join

2585
01:55:34,560 --> 01:55:37,640
Speaker 1: them in the pantheon of those who have made Africa great,

2586
01:55:37,680 --> 01:55:40,200
Speaker 1: because again, you could get an Arab guy from the North,

2587
01:55:40,240 --> 01:55:42,160
Speaker 1: you could get an Eia Egyptian, you could get a

2588
01:55:42,160 --> 01:55:44,160
Speaker 1: Moroccan and they would be able to have the same

2589
01:55:44,240 --> 01:55:47,280
Speaker 1: claim as being someone who represents the African continent, so

2590
01:55:47,320 --> 01:55:49,400
Speaker 1: you could get all different kinds of looks. It was

2591
01:55:49,520 --> 01:55:52,840
Speaker 1: rather that he was the authentic one and the other

2592
01:55:52,920 --> 01:55:55,880
Speaker 1: ones were pretenders because they're not there anymore. That is

2593
01:55:55,920 --> 01:55:57,320
Speaker 1: where the central tension comes in.

2594
01:55:58,280 --> 01:56:00,120
Speaker 2: True. But people said, if it was a difference and

2595
01:56:00,320 --> 01:56:02,120
Speaker 2: race is not your favorite fighter, you would have went

2596
01:56:02,160 --> 01:56:02,680
Speaker 2: off differently.

2597
01:56:02,680 --> 01:56:04,200
Speaker 1: And I want to I guess, I guess i'd have to.

2598
01:56:04,360 --> 01:56:05,800
Speaker 1: I guess I'd have to see. I guess I'll just

2599
01:56:05,840 --> 01:56:07,320
Speaker 1: answer the question. I guess i'd have to see the

2600
01:56:07,360 --> 01:56:11,920
Speaker 1: mechanics of what they're particularly uh saying, is I have

2601
01:56:12,000 --> 01:56:12,760
Speaker 1: to dig through.

2602
01:56:12,600 --> 01:56:14,520
Speaker 2: The racial slurs and figure it out. But yeah, it's

2603
01:56:14,520 --> 01:56:16,760
Speaker 2: all either way, Luke, it's gross. It's just I don't know.

2604
01:56:16,800 --> 01:56:18,760
Speaker 2: It's gross. It's gonna win though, it's gonna work. People

2605
01:56:18,760 --> 01:56:21,560
Speaker 2: are gonna get fired up for the fight. Let's let's

2606
01:56:21,640 --> 01:56:24,240
Speaker 2: keep going. In the UFC, I mentioned that when Volkanowski

2607
01:56:24,320 --> 01:56:26,520
Speaker 2: left the cage, Oh, he was willing to go nose

2608
01:56:26,560 --> 01:56:28,040
Speaker 2: to nose with Toporia. Let's look at.

2609
01:56:28,000 --> 01:56:52,240
Speaker 4: It, ready, you're going ready.

2610
01:56:46,400 --> 01:56:56,240
Speaker 2: Do I see what happened to Luke? He's coming for

2611
01:56:56,280 --> 01:56:58,440
Speaker 2: that zero They looked not that far apart in size

2612
01:56:58,480 --> 01:56:58,680
Speaker 2: by the.

2613
01:56:58,640 --> 01:57:00,640
Speaker 1: Way, No, they don't. And I got to tell you,

2614
01:57:00,680 --> 01:57:04,440
Speaker 1: like Vulcan is not intimidated and to Puria not intimidated.

2615
01:57:04,520 --> 01:57:06,720
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, like, I don't know, man, people

2616
01:57:06,720 --> 01:57:08,600
Speaker 1: want the market chef fight to happen and I'm not.

2617
01:57:08,920 --> 01:57:10,320
Speaker 1: I mean, hey, who's gonna sit here and say it's

2618
01:57:10,320 --> 01:57:12,520
Speaker 1: a bad fight. But that's a Pooria fight. It's a

2619
01:57:12,520 --> 01:57:13,120
Speaker 1: good one too.

2620
01:57:13,520 --> 01:57:15,280
Speaker 2: Oh if they did it in Spain like you're talking about,

2621
01:57:15,320 --> 01:57:17,320
Speaker 2: and Dana said, they found out. He said in the

2622
01:57:17,360 --> 01:57:19,800
Speaker 2: postfight press conference that they figured out they could do

2623
01:57:19,840 --> 01:57:22,400
Speaker 2: this pretty soon at a really high level. Oh yeah,

2624
01:57:22,480 --> 01:57:24,440
Speaker 2: if you're if you had that chance, do it then.

2625
01:57:24,480 --> 01:57:27,480
Speaker 2: But I think Mahachev is next. Let's look in on this. Look,

2626
01:57:27,480 --> 01:57:28,960
Speaker 2: we didn't talk about this in the post fight show.

2627
01:57:28,960 --> 01:57:31,400
Speaker 2: It wasn't high you know, a lot of eyes on this.

2628
01:57:31,520 --> 01:57:36,600
Speaker 2: But titsurah Tyra on that preliminary card, it looked like

2629
01:57:36,600 --> 01:57:38,240
Speaker 2: he kind of threw twelve to six elbows and it

2630
01:57:38,280 --> 01:57:40,040
Speaker 2: looked like Herb Dean was coaching him on how not

2631
01:57:40,080 --> 01:57:42,200
Speaker 2: to get dequed. What is your take on this scenario?

2632
01:57:42,200 --> 01:57:45,120
Speaker 4: Well, we're being in an at that stageous musician.

2633
01:57:46,400 --> 01:57:48,320
Speaker 2: No, that's not illegal, that's not illegal.

2634
01:57:48,880 --> 01:57:54,600
Speaker 1: He's got enough of big cards, right. Yeah. I didn't

2635
01:57:54,640 --> 01:57:58,040
Speaker 1: love that from herb Dean. But like it's a tough scenario, right,

2636
01:57:58,080 --> 01:58:02,400
Speaker 1: Like what's the line between telling them or making it?

2637
01:58:02,560 --> 01:58:06,080
Speaker 1: How about this? Because remember I don't think he speaks English, right,

2638
01:58:06,160 --> 01:58:09,400
Speaker 1: so what does the referee do to communicate an important

2639
01:58:09,400 --> 01:58:12,280
Speaker 1: thing about this is legal, that's not illegal. But at

2640
01:58:12,280 --> 01:58:15,040
Speaker 1: the same time, not get into a territory where it

2641
01:58:15,040 --> 01:58:19,560
Speaker 1: looks like you're coaching them. I don't know, that's what's

2642
01:58:19,600 --> 01:58:20,760
Speaker 1: fun on that, you know.

2643
01:58:20,840 --> 01:58:24,880
Speaker 2: I remember from from having played youth football one time, Luke,

2644
01:58:24,880 --> 01:58:26,560
Speaker 2: and then from covering a lot of high school games.

2645
01:58:26,640 --> 01:58:28,800
Speaker 2: You know, for like a receiver, for example, goes up

2646
01:58:28,840 --> 01:58:30,800
Speaker 2: to the line, they are allowed to check with the

2647
01:58:30,800 --> 01:58:33,720
Speaker 2: official and ask if they're on side before it snapped.

2648
01:58:33,720 --> 01:58:35,920
Speaker 2: So it's like that's I always felt like that's kind

2649
01:58:35,920 --> 01:58:38,360
Speaker 2: of weird. Isn't the official supposed to like just kind

2650
01:58:38,360 --> 01:58:40,040
Speaker 2: of be a silent watcher and if you screw up,

2651
01:58:40,080 --> 01:58:42,600
Speaker 2: they do it. This is kind of like that, And

2652
01:58:42,640 --> 01:58:45,240
Speaker 2: we have seen that at times where sometimes it's not

2653
01:58:45,320 --> 01:58:47,160
Speaker 2: just warning a guy if you grab the fence again,

2654
01:58:47,320 --> 01:58:49,919
Speaker 2: but saying like here's what you can and can't do?

2655
01:58:49,920 --> 01:58:51,760
Speaker 2: Does that help a fight if a referee is kind

2656
01:58:51,760 --> 01:58:53,760
Speaker 2: of being that preemptive.

2657
01:58:53,760 --> 01:58:55,840
Speaker 1: No, because the problem with that analogy, I know what

2658
01:58:55,880 --> 01:58:57,800
Speaker 1: you're talking about, and then if you line up like

2659
01:58:57,840 --> 01:58:59,680
Speaker 1: you can ask him, hey, is this formation blah blah

2660
01:58:59,720 --> 01:59:01,920
Speaker 1: blah side, and then if you you know, they'll say yes,

2661
01:59:02,200 --> 01:59:03,640
Speaker 1: And then if you don't line up in that formation,

2662
01:59:03,640 --> 01:59:05,320
Speaker 1: they'll just throw the flag and you you know, they'll

2663
01:59:05,440 --> 01:59:07,640
Speaker 1: they're not gonna they're not gonna intervene on your behalf

2664
01:59:08,040 --> 01:59:11,600
Speaker 1: fair enough. But like football, American football for our European audiences,

2665
01:59:11,640 --> 01:59:14,560
Speaker 1: it stops and starts all the time. Like the plays

2666
01:59:14,640 --> 01:59:17,320
Speaker 1: last like five seconds if that. So you have this

2667
01:59:17,400 --> 01:59:19,880
Speaker 1: ability to constantly do that, whereas these fights they just flow.

2668
01:59:20,040 --> 01:59:22,680
Speaker 1: So you can't just stop the fight and be like, hey,

2669
01:59:22,840 --> 01:59:25,240
Speaker 1: you know, this is a warning or whatever. He kind

2670
01:59:25,240 --> 01:59:26,720
Speaker 1: of just gotta throw shit at him in the middle

2671
01:59:26,760 --> 01:59:29,320
Speaker 1: and hope that it sticks. Again. It's this is a

2672
01:59:29,440 --> 01:59:31,800
Speaker 1: tough This is a tough scenario. I don't know what

2673
01:59:31,840 --> 01:59:33,640
Speaker 1: the right answers. I think he definitely got it wrong,

2674
01:59:33,880 --> 01:59:36,320
Speaker 1: but I will say that like that was a tough one.

2675
01:59:36,360 --> 01:59:37,640
Speaker 1: I don't know what you're supposed.

2676
01:59:37,280 --> 01:59:39,640
Speaker 2: To do Oh, Luke, we should start talking about Flyway.

2677
01:59:39,720 --> 01:59:43,320
Speaker 2: Jesus Santos Agui Laras he needed just seventeen seconds to

2678
01:59:43,360 --> 01:59:46,440
Speaker 2: send Shannon Ross to hell. Here's a quick little replay

2679
01:59:46,440 --> 01:59:46,680
Speaker 2: at it.

2680
01:59:48,080 --> 01:59:50,800
Speaker 1: Oh, he changes his levels like he's gonna go to

2681
01:59:50,840 --> 01:59:53,560
Speaker 1: the body guy, drops his hand, and he just sends

2682
01:59:53,640 --> 01:59:57,640
Speaker 1: him to the land of wind and ghosts. That was brutal.

2683
01:59:57,880 --> 02:00:00,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's doing the fifty K dance. Somebody gets that.

2684
02:00:00,360 --> 02:00:04,920
Speaker 2: Man A bonus. Denise Gomes, Luke Gomez Gomes from Brazil.

2685
02:00:05,640 --> 02:00:07,720
Speaker 2: You you spent a lot of time telling the world

2686
02:00:07,800 --> 02:00:10,400
Speaker 2: that Yasmin horror Guy was the next big guy?

2687
02:00:10,560 --> 02:00:12,960
Speaker 1: Is that what she is? She's gonna horror guy?

2688
02:00:13,040 --> 02:00:17,000
Speaker 2: Twenty seconds later, Luke, it seems you were dead wrong, brother, Okay, dead.

2689
02:00:16,800 --> 02:00:20,200
Speaker 1: Wrong, dead wrong on this night. I think that the

2690
02:00:21,280 --> 02:00:25,080
Speaker 1: larger equation has yet to play out. But yeah, she

2691
02:00:25,280 --> 02:00:26,920
Speaker 1: got wrecked, she got rocked.

2692
02:00:28,400 --> 02:00:32,400
Speaker 2: I mean I can't talk. I said DDP had zero chance, Luke, Yeah.

2693
02:00:32,200 --> 02:00:33,960
Speaker 1: We both. I mean, listen, we don't know what the

2694
02:00:33,960 --> 02:00:36,080
Speaker 1: fuck we're doing. If there's been anything that's been clear

2695
02:00:36,120 --> 02:00:38,920
Speaker 1: after five hundred episodes, is we're just making it up

2696
02:00:38,920 --> 02:00:39,240
Speaker 1: as we go.

2697
02:00:39,400 --> 02:00:41,200
Speaker 2: I love that we get to raise the right white flag.

2698
02:00:41,200 --> 02:00:44,280
Speaker 2: If it's just entertainment, guys, come on, we don't know shit.

2699
02:00:44,320 --> 02:00:46,120
Speaker 2: Look at my bedding records. I still right.

2700
02:00:46,240 --> 02:00:48,600
Speaker 1: I mean, if you just if you watch how Howard Eggy,

2701
02:00:48,640 --> 02:00:51,120
Speaker 1: if you watch her, she's still pretty talented. But that

2702
02:00:51,280 --> 02:00:53,560
Speaker 1: was a poor showing. If ever, there was one.

2703
02:00:53,720 --> 02:00:56,040
Speaker 2: In Bronsteader brought out a pronunciation that you haven't even

2704
02:00:56,040 --> 02:00:58,080
Speaker 2: attempted yet until right now, So that was his.

2705
02:00:58,080 --> 02:01:01,160
Speaker 1: Was pretty close. This was pretty close. Howdeggy, I think.

2706
02:01:00,960 --> 02:01:03,200
Speaker 2: It looks like horror guy, I don't think.

2707
02:01:03,000 --> 02:01:06,640
Speaker 1: That's definitely not horror A guy. I can tell you that,

2708
02:01:06,920 --> 02:01:07,640
Speaker 1: all right. Hey.

2709
02:01:07,720 --> 02:01:09,440
Speaker 2: UFC two ninety also gave us.

2710
02:01:09,320 --> 02:01:14,240
Speaker 1: Some guy Guy Fieri. Guy Fieri was at UFC two

2711
02:01:14,280 --> 02:01:16,760
Speaker 1: ninety and probably given everyone diarrhea with donkeys.

2712
02:01:17,320 --> 02:01:20,560
Speaker 2: Horror Guy Fieri was there to ninety also gave us

2713
02:01:20,600 --> 02:01:24,280
Speaker 2: some really wholesome moments. Let's quickly review. Here's Volkanowski reacting

2714
02:01:24,320 --> 02:01:30,240
Speaker 2: backstage to Dan Hooker's wild victory over the tarantula. Love dude.

2715
02:01:30,240 --> 02:01:36,440
Speaker 2: This team supports each other like nobody else, Luke, but

2716
02:01:36,560 --> 02:01:38,920
Speaker 2: they had a lot of live cameras around the country

2717
02:01:38,960 --> 02:01:41,520
Speaker 2: at bars, Luke. That's their new thing, which is whatever.

2718
02:01:41,640 --> 02:01:41,840
Speaker 3: I mean.

2719
02:01:41,880 --> 02:01:45,720
Speaker 2: It works if it's like a track and field and Tajikistan,

2720
02:01:45,840 --> 02:01:48,000
Speaker 2: it works. If it's like a bar and grill in Vegas,

2721
02:01:48,000 --> 02:01:48,520
Speaker 2: it doesn't work.

2722
02:01:48,840 --> 02:01:50,120
Speaker 1: Seriously. I have to tell you though, if you pay

2723
02:01:50,160 --> 02:01:52,520
Speaker 1: close attention, like every bar and grilla is a sausage

2724
02:01:52,560 --> 02:01:54,640
Speaker 1: fest where they're watching us, you know what I mean.

2725
02:01:54,880 --> 02:01:57,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like our audience. How about this wholesome moment

2726
02:01:57,360 --> 02:02:00,360
Speaker 2: we mentioned it all of the Brazilian fighters and then

2727
02:02:00,360 --> 02:02:03,280
Speaker 2: in this shot you're gonna get Charles olivera glover to

2728
02:02:03,320 --> 02:02:07,520
Speaker 2: Shia and especially Gilbert Burns who was crying. But in addition,

2729
02:02:07,560 --> 02:02:10,760
Speaker 2: I want you to find Jessica or I'm sorry Juliana

2730
02:02:10,800 --> 02:02:14,040
Speaker 2: Pana and watch that makeup job she's doing during the celebration.

2731
02:02:14,600 --> 02:02:16,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, bottom left corner, I see it.

2732
02:02:17,240 --> 02:02:19,800
Speaker 2: And here's the announcement. Yeah, look at this love. Look

2733
02:02:19,840 --> 02:02:20,880
Speaker 2: at this love.

2734
02:02:23,120 --> 02:02:25,880
Speaker 1: And dah man, that is incredible. And there's Charles yeah

2735
02:02:25,880 --> 02:02:27,480
Speaker 1: that's all. Look at sugar Shawn on the back there

2736
02:02:27,480 --> 02:02:30,760
Speaker 1: are just nodding his head. Yeah, dad was big, dude,

2737
02:02:30,840 --> 02:02:33,400
Speaker 1: it was big. I mean, these guys come from humble beginnings, man,

2738
02:02:33,440 --> 02:02:35,280
Speaker 1: and these are big. These are big heights for them.

2739
02:02:35,280 --> 02:02:36,960
Speaker 1: Where you gotta you gotta feel good.

2740
02:02:37,320 --> 02:02:39,840
Speaker 2: Well, Luke two ninety wasn't the only big combat sports

2741
02:02:39,840 --> 02:02:42,800
Speaker 2: event in Vegas this past week. Yeah, I'm talking about

2742
02:02:42,840 --> 02:02:45,080
Speaker 2: Power Slap three And here's all you need to know

2743
02:02:45,120 --> 02:02:51,240
Speaker 2: about Friday's event. Look at it.

2744
02:02:51,640 --> 02:02:57,600
Speaker 3: You can't break it? Baby?

2745
02:02:58,280 --> 02:02:59,880
Speaker 2: Can we play that? Every single time?

2746
02:03:00,160 --> 02:03:05,120
Speaker 1: People that send me emails and I'm just like, I

2747
02:03:05,120 --> 02:03:07,920
Speaker 1: can't believe you haven't won a Darwin Award yet, you

2748
02:03:07,920 --> 02:03:09,880
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I just cannot believe it.

2749
02:03:10,160 --> 02:03:12,560
Speaker 2: The cool thing is, Luke. I'm like you power such

2750
02:03:12,640 --> 02:03:15,840
Speaker 2: big in India, really big, Luke, real big, right, real.

2751
02:03:15,760 --> 02:03:20,720
Speaker 1: Big, the biggest. I mean, what's bigger? What's bigger in

2752
02:03:20,720 --> 02:03:24,000
Speaker 1: India than Power Slap? Nothing?

2753
02:03:24,440 --> 02:03:26,840
Speaker 2: All right? Look, you know I get fired Yeah, well done.

2754
02:03:26,960 --> 02:03:28,880
Speaker 2: You know I get fired the hell up when Reel

2755
02:03:28,960 --> 02:03:32,720
Speaker 2: recognizes real will I be this fired up? When Donald

2756
02:03:32,720 --> 02:03:37,800
Speaker 2: Trump ran into nelk boy Steve at the Red Rock Casino.

2757
02:03:38,480 --> 02:03:39,480
Speaker 1: I love this guy.

2758
02:03:40,560 --> 02:03:41,520
Speaker 5: I love this guy.

2759
02:03:41,720 --> 02:03:45,960
Speaker 6: How what you do it? You're gay, fantastic got its

2760
02:03:46,040 --> 02:03:51,440
Speaker 6: just deliverate concert everything everything you guys have done, such

2761
02:03:51,480 --> 02:03:54,120
Speaker 6: a fantastic jo And this man is the one that

2762
02:03:54,760 --> 02:03:59,840
Speaker 6: in good districts, right, good guy, that's what he's trying

2763
02:03:59,880 --> 02:04:02,840
Speaker 6: to do anything the best.

2764
02:04:03,520 --> 02:04:03,920
Speaker 3: Thank you.

2765
02:04:04,080 --> 02:04:05,680
Speaker 2: You were just talking about you when we were talking

2766
02:04:05,680 --> 02:04:07,160
Speaker 2: about the present.

2767
02:04:07,480 --> 02:04:08,200
Speaker 6: Take care of yourself.

2768
02:04:08,200 --> 02:04:09,960
Speaker 2: We'll do it again. Okay, you're going to be the

2769
02:04:10,000 --> 02:04:10,560
Speaker 2: president again.

2770
02:04:11,240 --> 02:04:12,400
Speaker 6: Wet at bad you.

2771
02:04:12,920 --> 02:04:14,280
Speaker 4: The country is in big trouble.

2772
02:04:17,160 --> 02:04:17,520
Speaker 3: Thank you.

2773
02:04:19,440 --> 02:04:20,360
Speaker 1: That's a perfect cord.

2774
02:04:20,640 --> 02:04:22,680
Speaker 3: It's better than you use it anyway.

2775
02:04:23,000 --> 02:04:23,400
Speaker 1: I love you.

2776
02:04:23,480 --> 02:04:24,720
Speaker 2: Stay helo to the guys day.

2777
02:04:24,840 --> 02:04:26,080
Speaker 3: I love thank you very much.

2778
02:04:26,200 --> 02:04:26,640
Speaker 1: You're the man.

2779
02:04:27,640 --> 02:04:29,400
Speaker 3: I'll be over the younger every time.

2780
02:04:29,400 --> 02:04:34,200
Speaker 2: I can't.

2781
02:04:35,920 --> 02:04:39,360
Speaker 1: Look you know this guy. This guy is under seventy

2782
02:04:39,440 --> 02:04:42,840
Speaker 1: one criminal indictments, which, by the way, haven't even gotten

2783
02:04:42,920 --> 02:04:45,840
Speaker 1: to half of the election interference indictments that are coming

2784
02:04:46,120 --> 02:04:48,800
Speaker 1: from Georgia. There's gonna be January sixth indictments almost.

2785
02:04:48,800 --> 02:04:51,760
Speaker 2: I'm not here to talk about your politics, Luca, No.

2786
02:04:51,680 --> 02:04:53,960
Speaker 1: Neither am I. I just find it hilarious that they're

2787
02:04:53,960 --> 02:04:57,160
Speaker 1: trotting out a guy with this many criminal indictments and

2788
02:04:57,240 --> 02:05:00,320
Speaker 1: everyone is acting like it's not happening. Because though the

2789
02:05:00,400 --> 02:05:03,080
Speaker 1: roles were reversed and the NBA was trotting out some

2790
02:05:03,520 --> 02:05:07,040
Speaker 1: left wing politician with seventy one criminal indictments, we would

2791
02:05:07,080 --> 02:05:08,680
Speaker 1: never hear the fucking end of it.

2792
02:05:09,040 --> 02:05:10,760
Speaker 2: Well, Luke, I'll just say that every time you meet

2793
02:05:10,760 --> 02:05:12,680
Speaker 2: a celebrity and they're super nice you always wanted to do.

2794
02:05:12,720 --> 02:05:15,760
Speaker 2: They just say that to everybody. It appears Donald Trump

2795
02:05:15,800 --> 02:05:18,480
Speaker 2: just says that to everybody. Steve, You're doing a great

2796
02:05:18,560 --> 02:05:20,760
Speaker 2: job with the Nelk boys. We love it, We love dude.

2797
02:05:20,800 --> 02:05:22,400
Speaker 2: You have no idea who that is done? You have?

2798
02:05:23,920 --> 02:05:27,160
Speaker 2: You have no idea? All right, big moment though for Steve. There,

2799
02:05:27,320 --> 02:05:30,360
Speaker 2: let's keep it going, Luke. Is he reunited with UFC

2800
02:05:30,440 --> 02:05:33,960
Speaker 2: two thirty six opponent Kelvin gastolom in the crowd on Saturday.

2801
02:05:34,200 --> 02:05:35,960
Speaker 2: And I probably should have put this in the category

2802
02:05:35,960 --> 02:05:38,000
Speaker 2: of wholesome as shit, Luke, because it was.

2803
02:05:40,880 --> 02:05:45,040
Speaker 5: I'm so proud of you.

2804
02:05:44,920 --> 02:05:50,320
Speaker 3: With a glitch maturity progative albums Dad and I what God?

2805
02:05:50,400 --> 02:05:51,600
Speaker 3: But oh yeah, I'm not blad.

2806
02:05:54,000 --> 02:06:01,240
Speaker 2: I'm you know, you play him into the scene.

2807
02:06:01,640 --> 02:06:02,720
Speaker 1: You know what you want to know?

2808
02:06:03,760 --> 02:06:04,400
Speaker 6: Right you?

2809
02:06:04,560 --> 02:06:07,280
Speaker 2: Father went word Na, They're.

2810
02:06:07,120 --> 02:06:08,880
Speaker 5: Like, I'm in that place right.

2811
02:06:14,400 --> 02:06:17,240
Speaker 2: That that's brusheto Luke, that's as good as it gets

2812
02:06:18,160 --> 02:06:18,560
Speaker 2: right there.

2813
02:06:18,720 --> 02:06:20,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's pretty great. I mean, is he has been

2814
02:06:20,920 --> 02:06:22,600
Speaker 1: on a what do you want to say? BC A

2815
02:06:23,000 --> 02:06:26,440
Speaker 1: well except for Dricks, I guess, but with opponents and

2816
02:06:27,000 --> 02:06:31,160
Speaker 1: foes or former foes. He's been on a reconciliation tours.

2817
02:06:31,520 --> 02:06:33,640
Speaker 2: I mean, the John Jones moment was fun.

2818
02:06:33,800 --> 02:06:34,040
Speaker 3: Luke.

2819
02:06:35,040 --> 02:06:37,480
Speaker 2: Look this was great, not just because that's my favorite

2820
02:06:37,480 --> 02:06:41,240
Speaker 2: fight of all time or because Gastolum declared Luke that

2821
02:06:41,320 --> 02:06:43,200
Speaker 2: it's his time and is he agreed? I can get

2822
02:06:43,240 --> 02:06:46,400
Speaker 2: down with that. We'll find out against Shavka good lord. Wow,

2823
02:06:46,480 --> 02:06:50,080
Speaker 2: that's a tough fight. But that moment, Dude, I love that.

2824
02:06:50,200 --> 02:06:52,120
Speaker 2: Sometimes you weed through the bs in this game and

2825
02:06:52,200 --> 02:06:56,080
Speaker 2: you can get those good moments. Speaking of real recognizing real, Luke,

2826
02:06:56,120 --> 02:07:01,720
Speaker 2: you're gonna love this. Dylan Danis with your guy Portuguese Honaldo, Luke,

2827
02:07:01,800 --> 02:07:05,120
Speaker 2: look at this? Look at this?

2828
02:07:06,000 --> 02:07:10,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is the Portuguese Ronaldo. That's right, look at that?

2829
02:07:10,640 --> 02:07:13,000
Speaker 2: Who I mean? This combines your two favorite things, Luke,

2830
02:07:13,600 --> 02:07:16,800
Speaker 2: Mma and worldwide soccer? Right, this is great.

2831
02:07:17,560 --> 02:07:19,720
Speaker 1: Can you really associate Dylan Danis with Mma?

2832
02:07:20,280 --> 02:07:22,720
Speaker 2: He's more of a celebrity boxer Luke in parking lots.

2833
02:07:22,760 --> 02:07:27,680
Speaker 2: But that's fine. But speaking of the Portuguese Naldo, Luke,

2834
02:07:27,760 --> 02:07:30,880
Speaker 2: we can now induct him to one of my favorite clubs.

2835
02:07:31,960 --> 02:07:34,720
Speaker 2: Those who work out with gloves and are not afraid

2836
02:07:34,800 --> 02:07:37,720
Speaker 2: to share that with the world. Luke, look at this specimen.

2837
02:07:38,760 --> 02:07:41,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I gotta get I gotta get his drugs. I

2838
02:07:41,440 --> 02:07:42,600
Speaker 1: gotta figure out what those are.

2839
02:07:42,880 --> 02:07:44,840
Speaker 2: Okay, would you wear gloves with lifting gloves if you

2840
02:07:44,840 --> 02:07:46,760
Speaker 2: can get his drugs? True or false?

2841
02:07:47,920 --> 02:07:49,640
Speaker 1: If I had to sure?

2842
02:07:50,280 --> 02:07:50,560
Speaker 2: Okay?

2843
02:07:52,360 --> 02:07:53,520
Speaker 1: Would I choose to know?

2844
02:07:54,080 --> 02:07:56,120
Speaker 2: Phil Derue dunked on me hard when I brought up

2845
02:07:56,400 --> 02:07:57,040
Speaker 2: workout gloves?

2846
02:07:57,360 --> 02:07:59,920
Speaker 1: Anybody anybody will It's not just me or him, anybody

2847
02:08:00,440 --> 02:08:01,560
Speaker 1: I love coach Bam Bam.

2848
02:08:02,160 --> 02:08:05,360
Speaker 2: Luke. They caught up with Lawrence Taylor and they wanted to,

2849
02:08:05,680 --> 02:08:07,920
Speaker 2: you know, hear his memories about his time in the

2850
02:08:08,160 --> 02:08:10,120
Speaker 2: NFL draft. Let's go back in reminisce.

2851
02:08:13,440 --> 02:08:15,720
Speaker 1: Lawrence Taylor does not remember being drafted by the Giants

2852
02:08:15,720 --> 02:08:18,120
Speaker 1: because he drank for that day.

2853
02:08:19,160 --> 02:08:22,080
Speaker 2: Okay, look, they don't have the the video that that

2854
02:08:22,280 --> 02:08:25,440
Speaker 2: was linked with this, but LT hilariously recalls the day

2855
02:08:25,800 --> 02:08:27,680
Speaker 2: he was drafted and how when he found out he

2856
02:08:27,840 --> 02:08:30,880
Speaker 2: was like forty one deep. Of course, like yeah, that's

2857
02:08:31,440 --> 02:08:33,080
Speaker 2: that's something right there, and that.

2858
02:08:33,240 --> 02:08:35,840
Speaker 1: Reminded me an American hero right there.

2859
02:08:36,160 --> 02:08:38,160
Speaker 2: I mean, that's the exact amount that it takes to

2860
02:08:38,200 --> 02:08:39,040
Speaker 2: get you drunk.

2861
02:08:38,880 --> 02:08:41,800
Speaker 1: Luke, No, not anymore. Now it takes four point one.

2862
02:08:42,000 --> 02:08:43,200
Speaker 1: But I don't really drink anymore.

2863
02:08:43,280 --> 02:08:46,080
Speaker 2: Now it takes three margaritas in a live show, Thank

2864
02:08:46,120 --> 02:08:49,320
Speaker 2: you very much. Luca's time for Dixon the Wild. Why

2865
02:08:49,320 --> 02:08:51,480
Speaker 2: don't we go off the rails here? Check out this

2866
02:08:51,680 --> 02:09:00,440
Speaker 2: cloud in Poland that's full mast, right, yeah, it's great.

2867
02:09:01,840 --> 02:09:04,800
Speaker 1: That's a little god, that's gross.

2868
02:09:05,880 --> 02:09:08,360
Speaker 2: Dixon the Wild were spotted on the m M A. Matt, Luke.

2869
02:09:08,360 --> 02:09:09,840
Speaker 2: Here's your combination of the week.

2870
02:09:14,840 --> 02:09:21,480
Speaker 1: Okay, what the fuck, dude. People will do anything for

2871
02:09:21,600 --> 02:09:22,040
Speaker 1: the GRAM.

2872
02:09:22,200 --> 02:09:23,360
Speaker 2: I they will.

2873
02:09:23,960 --> 02:09:24,160
Speaker 1: You do.

2874
02:09:24,320 --> 02:09:26,920
Speaker 2: Have to be careful, though, Luke, about your your your

2875
02:09:27,280 --> 02:09:29,120
Speaker 2: your jewels when you're out in the wild. Check out

2876
02:09:29,160 --> 02:09:30,680
Speaker 2: this wedding photographer.

2877
02:09:39,160 --> 02:09:42,640
Speaker 1: Dude, she's just what was she doing? Cabbage patch?

2878
02:09:43,560 --> 02:09:47,000
Speaker 2: The running Man? I think that's that's like the floss

2879
02:09:47,080 --> 02:09:49,280
Speaker 2: with the running Man. I think she was comboing right there.

2880
02:09:49,720 --> 02:09:51,000
Speaker 1: Oh you're right, the floss thing.

2881
02:09:51,080 --> 02:09:55,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, all right, Uh, big week for power bombs, Luke.

2882
02:09:55,960 --> 02:09:58,360
Speaker 2: We saw the one on Friday at that jiu jitsu event.

2883
02:09:58,920 --> 02:09:59,920
Speaker 2: Here's one at the pool.

2884
02:10:03,240 --> 02:10:04,360
Speaker 1: Okay, oh that's all right.

2885
02:10:05,200 --> 02:10:08,000
Speaker 2: You know that's a German Suplex right there, Luke, that's

2886
02:10:08,160 --> 02:10:09,000
Speaker 2: that's that's superplex.

2887
02:10:09,240 --> 02:10:14,880
Speaker 1: That's a Darwin Award. That double's the ICU.

2888
02:10:14,880 --> 02:10:17,520
Speaker 2: What that is doubled as your Scorpion of the week.

2889
02:10:17,600 --> 02:10:19,160
Speaker 2: Let's go out to the fire pit though, to see

2890
02:10:19,160 --> 02:10:22,680
Speaker 2: another power bomb, another physical explosion.

2891
02:10:24,840 --> 02:10:30,160
Speaker 1: Just I mean these rednecks in Brazil or something is well, Luke,

2892
02:10:30,200 --> 02:10:31,640
Speaker 1: speaking of my favorite rednecks.

2893
02:10:31,760 --> 02:10:33,960
Speaker 2: You know I I now I now follow and connect

2894
02:10:34,000 --> 02:10:37,320
Speaker 2: with squirrel Bait on Instagram. Luke, Okay, here's my favorite

2895
02:10:37,360 --> 02:10:41,800
Speaker 2: squirrel Bait video, eat fresh just the same. Oh that's

2896
02:10:41,880 --> 02:10:42,680
Speaker 2: a big gas.

2897
02:10:49,000 --> 02:10:49,120
Speaker 1: Yo.

2898
02:10:49,200 --> 02:10:51,400
Speaker 5: Who Ever made this need to raise you'll need to

2899
02:10:51,520 --> 02:10:59,480
Speaker 5: raise whoever made his need to ray? Yeah trying, You're awesome.

2900
02:10:59,520 --> 02:11:14,800
Speaker 1: I love you. This dude, Dude, he's a feral animal,

2901
02:11:14,920 --> 02:11:15,720
Speaker 1: you know that right.

2902
02:11:16,000 --> 02:11:19,920
Speaker 2: At That's right. That guy is the best dude.

2903
02:11:20,200 --> 02:11:22,760
Speaker 1: That guy has a barncat, he's got a haircut that

2904
02:11:22,880 --> 02:11:26,120
Speaker 1: looks like he lost a dare. And then he goes

2905
02:11:26,160 --> 02:11:29,560
Speaker 1: into subway, unwraps the thing and was like, wow, congratulations

2906
02:11:29,600 --> 02:11:32,720
Speaker 1: to the chef. As he's just blowing marijuana smoke in

2907
02:11:32,800 --> 02:11:35,760
Speaker 1: everyone's face and then drinks out of the soda fountain.

2908
02:11:37,600 --> 02:11:39,960
Speaker 2: It's better. Speaking of subway, it's better content than that

2909
02:11:40,080 --> 02:11:42,680
Speaker 2: Jared documentary. Look, I'm not watching that. Okay, you can't

2910
02:11:42,680 --> 02:11:42,880
Speaker 2: make it.

2911
02:11:42,960 --> 02:11:45,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's not saying much because the phone calls

2912
02:11:45,040 --> 02:11:46,040
Speaker 1: that they play are trifling.

2913
02:11:46,640 --> 02:11:48,360
Speaker 2: Hey, how about Larry Nashter getting stabbed?

2914
02:11:48,440 --> 02:11:48,520
Speaker 3: Right?

2915
02:11:48,560 --> 02:11:50,720
Speaker 2: Hey, we move on here, Luke, let's let's check out this.

2916
02:11:51,600 --> 02:11:57,320
Speaker 2: Let's check out this lady's demise. You know, this makes

2917
02:11:57,400 --> 02:12:00,600
Speaker 2: the new meaning to the walk of shame. Luke. Wow,

2918
02:12:02,200 --> 02:12:04,440
Speaker 2: caught in the door? Sweatpants in the door?

2919
02:12:06,480 --> 02:12:09,960
Speaker 1: No, no, no, that was on the ground or something.

2920
02:12:10,240 --> 02:12:12,840
Speaker 2: I think she she she got her pants caught in

2921
02:12:12,880 --> 02:12:15,680
Speaker 2: the door. I think maybe maybe not, maybe not.

2922
02:12:16,280 --> 02:12:18,520
Speaker 1: Well, it doesn't matter. Big Country. Looks like she's got bigger.

2923
02:12:18,680 --> 02:12:22,960
Speaker 2: She's there, Lucas. Time for another groundbreaking performance. Let's go

2924
02:12:23,040 --> 02:12:23,920
Speaker 2: to the local theater.

2925
02:12:30,320 --> 02:12:32,840
Speaker 1: Oh god, the big one's gonna fall off the stage.

2926
02:12:33,920 --> 02:12:36,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh god, yeah.

2927
02:12:37,920 --> 02:12:39,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh you knew that was happening.

2928
02:12:40,880 --> 02:12:43,600
Speaker 2: Look you ever watch women women play volleyball and just

2929
02:12:43,720 --> 02:12:45,400
Speaker 2: imagine what it'd be like if one of the players

2930
02:12:45,440 --> 02:12:49,800
Speaker 2: turn around and grabbed your package. No, oh, okay, well

2931
02:12:49,920 --> 02:12:50,840
Speaker 2: let's watch this guy.

2932
02:12:50,960 --> 02:13:01,320
Speaker 1: Look, you're right, okay, you see we should just change

2933
02:13:01,400 --> 02:13:03,320
Speaker 1: careers and become volleyball judges.

2934
02:13:05,200 --> 02:13:07,840
Speaker 2: Oh, skater, die brother, let's get out there. Here's a

2935
02:13:07,880 --> 02:13:10,960
Speaker 2: good one. Check out this wizard on the old skateboard.

2936
02:13:13,680 --> 02:13:14,760
Speaker 1: Okay, that was pretty cool.

2937
02:13:15,040 --> 02:13:17,440
Speaker 2: That was real cool. That's the good, Luke. But here's

2938
02:13:17,520 --> 02:13:19,320
Speaker 2: the bad and the ugly at the same time.

2939
02:13:23,160 --> 02:13:28,080
Speaker 1: No, that's the good. This is the good. Let me

2940
02:13:28,160 --> 02:13:30,200
Speaker 1: guess is he white? I can't tell right?

2941
02:13:30,960 --> 02:13:34,120
Speaker 2: Right, well, Luke, he didn't land perfectly, but sometimes things

2942
02:13:34,200 --> 02:13:38,800
Speaker 2: do land perfectly. Watch this car accident turn into a

2943
02:13:39,560 --> 02:13:50,680
Speaker 2: afternoon vacation. Look at that, Luke, you think it's real.

2944
02:13:52,760 --> 02:13:54,560
Speaker 1: I think this was a stupid inclusion.

2945
02:13:55,720 --> 02:13:58,280
Speaker 2: All right. We don't tend to put doctored videos in here, Luke,

2946
02:13:58,320 --> 02:13:59,720
Speaker 2: but I've got another one of these. I want you

2947
02:13:59,760 --> 02:14:01,240
Speaker 2: to watch and get your honest reaction.

2948
02:14:12,200 --> 02:14:15,080
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, I mean I'm not gonna say I

2949
02:14:15,120 --> 02:14:18,280
Speaker 1: didn't chuckle, you know, I mean, you didn't make.

2950
02:14:18,200 --> 02:14:21,600
Speaker 2: That abhorrent Joe c joke the other day. Okay, just

2951
02:14:21,640 --> 02:14:23,800
Speaker 2: show you know, little Joe you made that?

2952
02:14:24,200 --> 02:14:24,360
Speaker 3: Yeah?

2953
02:14:24,400 --> 02:14:28,880
Speaker 2: All right, hey, Luke, Yeah yeah, shoebox greetings right there.

2954
02:14:29,840 --> 02:14:32,760
Speaker 2: You ever wonder why there's weight classes, Luke, sometimes you'll

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Speaker 2: find out Let's watch this lady out on the lake.

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Speaker 1: Wait did she go right through it?

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Speaker 2: Yes? She did?

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Speaker 1: Wow dude, I mean yeah, yeah, Wertha didn't didn't appreciate

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02:14:54,560 --> 02:14:57,040
Speaker 1: you know, everyone's like, hey, everybody is beautiful, but not

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Speaker 1: everybody is light.

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Speaker 2: You ever wonder why they have posted weight limits at campsites, Luke,

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Speaker 2: because of this yeah care video. I don't want anything. Yep, yep,

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Speaker 2: all right, two more for you, Luke. Let's go over

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Speaker 2: to uh the motorcycle. I mean, you know, safety rules

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Speaker 2: were different in the eighties and early nineties when we

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Speaker 2: grew up. I was on the back of my dad's

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Speaker 2: motorcycle all the time, Luke, although he used to put

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Speaker 2: a belt around me and then tie it around his

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02:15:38,920 --> 02:15:41,360
Speaker 2: own waist. Kind of harder to do with this dad.

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Speaker 1: Holy shit. I mean, first of all, why is I

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02:15:50,240 --> 02:15:53,920
Speaker 1: mean what the guy is literally hanging on by like

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Speaker 1: like his back titties, you know what I mean, Like

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Speaker 1: that's the only thing keeping him there is the fact

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02:16:01,760 --> 02:16:03,200
Speaker 1: that this guy's got titties on his back.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, they're called mobs on the mail body. Thank you. Finally, Luke,

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Speaker 2: we got one more for you to close. We've all

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Speaker 2: been here but you ever been drunk and you have

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Speaker 2: to piss and your balances off?

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Speaker 1: Luke?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, you ever done that at gas station parking lot?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Man, Okay, I want to tell you I've never

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Speaker 1: done this. I've done this, just not in a gas station. Uh.

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Speaker 2: You think that trucker went right back on the road, Luke,

2984
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Speaker 2: or he or he sat at you know he he

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Speaker 2: wrote in the log book he took his eight hours

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Speaker 2: off in the back of that cab.

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Speaker 1: You know, given what I've seen from truckers on the highway,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna guess my man went right back into that cab.

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Speaker 1: That fucking thing on I sixty six.

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Speaker 2: That's disrespectful. Gregory D Big MK fan would never do that.

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Speaker 1: That's your ship for the week, the bad ones, you know,

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02:16:56,320 --> 02:16:58,720
Speaker 1: all right, Big thanks to Aaron bron Setter for stopping by.

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Speaker 1: You can catch this stuff over at tea US in Canada.

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Speaker 1: I want to remind everyone Showtime dot Com is the

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Speaker 1: label that pays Showtime dot Com thirty today for you

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Speaker 1: trophic like you can keep it. If not, you can bounce.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 1: Let's see Morningcombat dot Store. There's gonna be some good

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Speaker 1: stuff for you there. Uh, let's see Morning Coombat at

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Speaker 1: gmail dot com. Email the show for Wednesday's fans ups.

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Speaker 1: Friday is dead wrong, all that good stuff and BC,

3002
02:17:20,160 --> 02:17:21,080
Speaker 1: you got anything else cooking?

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Speaker 2: Nah No, I don't really cook that much.

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Speaker 1: I believe you. I've got an interview with Mojasum that's

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Speaker 1: actually done. That's gonna we'll get that out probably, No,

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Speaker 1: a new one. We had to get away. Yeah, the

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Speaker 1: other one. The other one was no good because they

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Speaker 1: the news changed, so we had to get a new one.

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Speaker 1: We have a new one though, all right, so that's

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Speaker 1: good and uh yeah, all that kind of fun stuff.

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02:17:44,640 --> 02:17:46,800
Speaker 1: So uh big thanks to Aaron bron said are big.

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Speaker 1: Thanks to Malka, big things to showtime, thanks to Brian Campbell,

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02:17:49,879 --> 02:17:52,400
Speaker 1: Thanks to everyone who watched, right So for BC, I

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Speaker 1: know with Mikey Morms and the ones and two CBS

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02:17:54,320 --> 02:17:57,120
Speaker 1: sports all that good stuff, the whole family. So we're

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Speaker 1: done for the day. For Brian Campbell, I'm look Thomas.

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02:17:59,120 --> 02:18:00,640
Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much for watching. We'll be back

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Speaker 1: on Wednesday. Appreciate you and until then, may all of

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Speaker 1: your gains be loyal.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah,