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Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to stuff you should know

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Speaker 1: from House to works dot Com? Hey, and welcome to

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Speaker 1: the podcast. I'm Josh Bark with me as always with

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Speaker 1: a little extra echo is Charles W Chuck Bryant. Hello.

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Speaker 1: How are you doing, Chuck? I'm wil sir. Yeah, anything, um,

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Speaker 1: slightly unusual today? Oh we are in a different place

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Speaker 1: than normal. We are in Austin, Texas. Yes. Yeah, are

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Speaker 1: you guys from Austin that are cheering or is that

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Speaker 1: just enthusiasm? Yeah? Keep Austin weird. That's that's the motto.

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Speaker 1: Is that right? So we're doing our best. I should

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Speaker 1: probably say that those of you listening on your iPods

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Speaker 1: Chucks talking to people who are watching this podcast right now. Yes,

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Speaker 1: he's not insane. I think I got a laugh track

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Speaker 1: three years. They got a laughter the Little Red Box

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Speaker 1: after three years. Um. So, yes, we're doing a lot

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Speaker 1: of podcasts. This is a little different for us. I'm

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Speaker 1: normally not so sweaty from being stared at when we record. Um,

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Speaker 1: but I'm getting a little more used to it. I'm fine. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and um, I lost my coffee, So I'm gonna get

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Speaker 1: really dry. Oh you don't have coffee, I'll be okay, boy,

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Speaker 1: Chuck Josh, have you ever heard of the X files? Oh? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it turns out a lot of that was true. Really Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Well okay, so not the um, not the whole child

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Speaker 1: healer who may or may not be like killing people,

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Speaker 1: like the the compartmentalized versions of the X files, but

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Speaker 1: the overarching thread with the aliens. Yeah, not not like

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Speaker 1: the shape shifters. According to how UFOs work on how

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Speaker 1: stuff works dot com, that's probably true. Well, you know

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Speaker 1: I'm a believer, are you. I'm I'm in the Fox

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Speaker 1: Smolder camp. I'm okay, although he's Hank Moody to me.

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Speaker 1: Now to you, uh, it's the Californication. Okay. I thought

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Speaker 1: you would always be Fox Molder and now right, I

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Speaker 1: see nods, he's Hank Moody. Now that's a huge, huge

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Speaker 1: changeover it is. Yeah. I thought he's had a lot

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Speaker 1: more fun on California. I'm sure. I'm sure there's a

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Speaker 1: dirty dirty Well okay, so, um, let me give you

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Speaker 1: some examples. So the X files, Um, we're going kind

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Speaker 1: of retro here, all right, because the UFOs very nineties,

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Speaker 1: have you heard of the ancient Indian sanscrit scriptures? Right,

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Speaker 1: thank you very much, just pep, thank you very much, Justic,

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Speaker 1: I got the first peep um okay In in these

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Speaker 1: ancient Indian sanscript um writings, there is a description of

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Speaker 1: right yeah, it's called the them on us, and they

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Speaker 1: describe things like a great flying bird made of light material. Um.

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Speaker 1: anything that should be happening oddly specific, right, yeah, allow

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Speaker 1: me to continue. In twelve eleven, uh, it was written

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Speaker 1: airships keep popping up in this how UFOs Work podcast. Um,

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Speaker 1: coming in. So the Mutual UFO Network move On. They

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Speaker 1: move on. They got nothing on the city who that's

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Speaker 1: Chuck go that was my inge. All right, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: cut to the chase. That's what upologists have been talking about, right.

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Speaker 1: in nine on July seven, there was a guy in

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Speaker 1: New Mexico outside of a town called Roswell. His name

422
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 1: is Mac Brazil, and he was a ranch foreman. Right. So, uh,

423
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 1: he was going to check on the cattle, I guess

424
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 1: um one day after some terrible thunderstorms the night before,

425
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Speaker 1: and he found some weird debris and it was weird

426
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 1: enough to breathe that he called the sheriff, and I'm

427
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 1: sure they liked spit on the ground and talked about

428
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:10,640
Speaker 1: it for a while. Along there were strange we should

429
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Speaker 1: mention the night before there was a bunch of strange

430
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Speaker 1: lights in the sky, yes, and terrible thunderstorms. So then

431
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:19,640
Speaker 1: he finds the debris, right, Okay, sorry, that's an important point.

432
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,880
Speaker 1: It is, um. And so they the sheriff comes out.

433
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 1: They figured they should probably call the local military, which

434
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 1: kind of a weird step if you ask me. The

435
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 1: military comes out, they take the debris, um, and they

436
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,160
Speaker 1: take it back to the Roswell Army Air Force Base

437
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,440
Speaker 1: and then to Dayton, Ohio, which is another weird thing

438
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,720
Speaker 1: to do if it's a weather balloon. Is the government

439
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 1: eventually said it was in between. Then the guy who

440
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:48,880
Speaker 1: ran Roswell Army Air Force Base UM released a statement

441
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:54,640
Speaker 1: on July seven, saying, Um, we recovered the debris from

442
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 1: a crashed disc and I'm making air quotes and you

443
00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 1: guys can actually see it. I don't have to just

444
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,919
Speaker 1: say at this time, but a crash disc was found.

445
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 1: And then about three hours later his boss in Dallas,

446
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 1: I believe, released another press release saying that guys inn idiot,

447
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 1: don't listen to anything he's ever said forgetting that whole

448
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 1: crash disc thing. Exactly. It was a weather balloon and

449
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,400
Speaker 1: we've taken it and flown into right Air Force Base

450
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 1: in Dayton for some reason. But just don't look behind

451
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 1: the curtain, everybody. And at that moment, that was when

452
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,400
Speaker 1: all of the seeds that have sprouted into us, going

453
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:33,440
Speaker 1: like this, when we see like a press released today, UM,

454
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 1: that's when it happened that that first press release followed

455
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 1: by the second one, started the the whole suspicion of

456
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Speaker 1: the government that there was a cover up. Chuck, that's right,

457
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 1: and there was some other hinking that's going on. There

458
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 1: were eyewitnesses that say they saw bodies being removed from

459
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Speaker 1: the scene by the military. Some people said that they

460
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,399
Speaker 1: were actually present at an alien autopsy. Uh if you

461
00:26:56,440 --> 00:27:00,119
Speaker 1: remember the Fox Network did that TV show a lee

462
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: an autopsy a while ago, and then it turned out

463
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: that that guy said, um actually shot all this stuff

464
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,640
Speaker 1: in the nineties. But I swear this is the footage

465
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 1: I saw and I'm just recreating it, and that footage

466
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 1: is is now destroyed, but this is a this is

467
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 1: what I saw. Come on, you need you need by.

468
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 1: It took me for a while. It looked kind of cool,

469
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 1: but yeah, that was a big disappointment. And um, Area

470
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,439
Speaker 1: fifty one, you know, is is the area now and

471
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 1: they people believe some people believe that the government is

472
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 1: uh still contacting aliens at Area fifty one, meeting with

473
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:38,160
Speaker 1: aliens on a regular basis, studying them. And that's why

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00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 1: it's you know, got big fences around it. That's exactly

475
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 1: what that's the only possible reason that it has offences

476
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 1: around it. But we're we're gonna do a podcast probably

477
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 1: hopefully on Area fifty one one day because that's about

478
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: all we're going to talk about with that offenses Men

479
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:57,880
Speaker 1: in Black. Yeah, that's another characteristic of the UFO phenomenon, right,

480
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 1: And then actually came out of a guy him Gray

481
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 1: Barker's book in nineteen fifty six. He wrote, They Knew

482
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 1: too Much about Flying Saucers and the Men in Black

483
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 1: make their first appearance. Um. Well, Gray Barker pawned this

484
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 1: thing off as a work of nonfiction, but it was

485
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 1: actually fiction. Um, but that I guess came out long

486
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 1: enough after that, the Men in Black entered kind of

487
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 1: the the collective consciousness of Have you seen jose Chunks

488
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,400
Speaker 1: from outer Space? That one X Files episode where Jesse

489
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: the Buddy Venture and Alex Trebek play the Men in Black. Yeah,

490
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 1: it's pretty awesome. It's probably the best X Files episode ever. Really. Yeah,

491
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: And it's a good one, isn't it? Wait did you

492
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: just say Charles Nelson Riley. Charles Nelson Riley plays this

493
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: author who's interviewing Molder and Scully and trying to get

494
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: to the bottom of this one incident that happened, And um,

495
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 1: it was it was very cool, good. I highly recommend

496
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 1: it to everybody. Let's get back to it, Chuck and abductions.

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Speaker 1: I think this is this is if I may tee

498
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 1: this one up please. Uh So, I think it's kind

499
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: of one thing to see something in the sky and say, well,

500
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Speaker 1: I to UFO. But many people have done this. Ronald

501
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: Reagan said he saw a UFO and as a governor

502
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 1: of California, right yeah. Jackie Gleeson said he saw aliens

503
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 1: because Richard Nixon took him there. That's a true story.

504
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 1: Jackie Gleeson apparently was in Florida, married to his second

505
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: wife at the time, and he came home all disheveled

506
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: from something and his wife was like, what's going on, Jackie?

507
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Speaker 1: You're not your usual sonny self. And he says, well,

508
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: I can't talk about it, um wife. But later on

509
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 1: he said that she does have a name. I can't

510
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: remember it, um, what's called her Betty? But ironically he

511
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: did just call her wife, he did one of these days.

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00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 1: Um So, then he says, you know what happened is

513
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 1: uh I met Richard Nixon, My my buddy, Richard Nixon.

514
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: Jackie Gleeson was way into UFOs apparently, and Richard Nixon said,

515
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Speaker 1: would you like to go see some aliens? The my

516
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 1: Richard Nixon that was so they've seen it. Well, apparently

517
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Speaker 1: he took him and saw two little two foot aliens.

518
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 1: Little Paul said, don't tell anybody about this, Jackie Gleason,

519
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 1: and uh he said, I will not never tell anyone.

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00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 1: He told his wife that you can't tell anyone, and

521
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: then they got divorced and she started telling everyone. Yeah. Yeah,

522
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 1: So supposedly he seen one, and he said Ronald Reagan

523
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 1: saw one and he was on a small cessa flight

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00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 1: and he was governor of California at the time, and

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00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 1: he was talking about what he saw until he realized

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Speaker 1: he was talking to a reporter from the Wall Street

527
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Speaker 1: Journal and then he was like, maybe I shouldn't say

528
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 1: anything about that, and um, yeah, So Jimmy Carter Carter

529
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Speaker 1: saw one. Do you want to do your Carter? I

530
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: don't have a carter. He he did see one in Georgia,

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Speaker 1: in rural Georgia, and he uh still talks about it

532
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 1: to this day. Apparently ten or so years ago was

533
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Speaker 1: the last time at Emory University Atlanta, where he teaches,

534
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 1: he was actually still talking about it and said, dude,

535
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 1: I saw ufo. Okay, so it's one thing to see

536
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Speaker 1: you a foe and to talk about it at Emory

537
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: or to show Jackie Glees and something weird. Right, But

538
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 1: it's an entirely other thing. And this kind of became

539
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: this spinoff of the the UFO phenomenon, and that is abductions, right,

540
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: that's the money the money shot. Basically, there's this whole

541
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 1: group of people came forward over the years, starting after

542
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty five, Ish will say um and said, yes,

543
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 1: I've been aboard the craft. I've been engaged in alien sexiness.

544
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: This is horrible. My life is suffering because of this, right. So, um,

545
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: the the first abduction story, it was Betty and Barney Hill.

546
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: Have you heard of them? Have you heard of them before? Then? Yes, okay,

547
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: because I'm sort of into this stuff, okay, but they

548
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: were the first in the early sixties, and you know

549
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: they said they saw and we're not abducted initially, but

550
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: then later through hypnosis started remembering these things that happened. Yeah,

551
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: and there there, that was the first abduction case. It

552
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: was written up in the ball Us in Globe and

553
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: then there was a book called um the Interrupted Journey.

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00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: Because it had a really huge impact on their lives,

555
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: they started suffering psychological diservices, they're they're big problems among them.

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00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 1: After this UM and then it was made for TV movie.

557
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: Mr James Earl Jones played Barney Hill, did a great

558
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: job UM and from that moment on, this kind of

559
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: UM established checklist. Almost of UM traits of an abduction

560
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: were generated UM things like you're you're being taken against

561
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: your will, UM, you're being probed or experimented them the

562
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: tractor beam tractor beam, UM, the UH, the the your noise,

563
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: the the losing time was another big one, the Hills

564
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: lost two hours UM and then having to deal with this,

565
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 1: And there were actual studies of abductees in the nineties

566
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 1: because it was such a such a weird significant thing

567
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 1: that people were saying, like, it's consistent, which is the

568
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 1: weird thing. UM. So this guy UH named Richard McNally,

569
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Speaker 1: who's a Harvard psychologist, conducted some physiological experiments on people

570
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: who said they've been abducted, and they showed similar symptoms

571
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: to people with post traumatic stress disorder. So there's definitely

572
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: something going on. But whether or not it was UM

573
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Speaker 1: than being abducted, or if they were suffering from some

574
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: other trauma is what was at the heart of the matter, right, Yeah,

575
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 1: and there's been some pretty good explanations for what was

576
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: behind this whole abduction phenomenon that's kind of died off now,

577
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: which is weird if you think about it, right. Yeah.

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00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: Susan Blackmore is a is a famous skeptic, and she

579
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Speaker 1: did a little experiment in the mid nineteen nineties with

580
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Speaker 1: a man named Michael Persinger. He's a neuroscientist, and he

581
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: claims that all kinds of weird phenomenon with the body

582
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Speaker 1: can be explained by uh, excessive firing of the temporal lobes.

583
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Speaker 1: And so the only thing that was missing, as no

584
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: one had ever really tried to replicate this in an experiment.

585
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: So Susan Blackmore said, dude, took me up to this

586
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: stuff and fire away unless see what happened. She said,

587
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: um that she had the sensation she was being pulled

588
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 1: stretched by her leg to the ceiling um. She was

589
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 1: suddenly like very very angry, and then after that she's

590
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: suddenly very fearful. So basically the guy proved to her,

591
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 1: and then she went and told the world in this

592
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 1: New Scientist article that yes, if you can mess with

593
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Speaker 1: somebody's temporal lobe firing using magnets. Um, you you can

594
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 1: get them to think all sorts of crazy stuff. Well,

595
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 1: she basically at the end of the experiment said, I

596
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: was so out of myself that if someone would have

597
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: told me you were inducted by an alien, she said,

598
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 1: I probably would have believed it. Right, And she's a skeptic,

599
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: so it probably that's a that's a good explanation. But

600
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 1: then you you have to ask, well, what's what is

601
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 1: exactly exerting this magnetism on people's brains to cause this

602
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,800
Speaker 1: temporal lobe firing. So it's okay, I explain, and probably

603
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: better than anything. Is um sleep paralysis? Right or false awakenings? Yeah?

604
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: Sleep paralysis? You know, does anyone have that? Sleep paralysis?

605
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 1: Your wife apparently that's what you wake up and your

606
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 1: you can't move, Yeah, when you wake Your skeletal muscles

607
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 1: are normally paralyzed while you're sleeping, but every once in

608
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,919
Speaker 1: a while you can wake up and your muscles don't

609
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 1: kind of wake up first, so you can't move, but

610
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Speaker 1: you you don't really know what's going on. Your groggy

611
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: hallucinations of a company too, right, yeah, usually and very stuff, yes,

612
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 1: and um, so it's a very fearful thing. UM. And

613
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 1: then if you are the type to dream about sex, right,

614
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 1: that kind of adds that probing maybe idea because the

615
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 1: whole thing, so sleep paralysis is a pretty good explanation, um.

616
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 1: And then the false awakening is another good one, where

617
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 1: you wait, you're dreaming that you've woken up, and it's

618
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 1: pretty common actually, UM. And that I think the thing

619
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Speaker 1: that gives um gravity to this explanation is that the

620
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: most extreme abduction reports UM always began with the people sleeping.

621
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: Oh really yeah, so it's entirely possible if people were confused. Well.

622
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 1: There's also correlation though between UFO sidings and what was

623
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 1: he talking about seismic events? Is he said that, um,

624
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 1: he believes earthquakes might trigger this magnetism and people wake

625
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: up in their bed they think they're being abducted. But

626
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: what about the people in the cars and out in

627
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: the fields. We're not gonna figure this out right now,

628
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I think a good way to

629
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Speaker 1: wrap this up is to say that we are wholly

630
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Speaker 1: unqualified to offer any explanation of what was drawing on. UM.

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Speaker 1: But at the very least, it was interesting, and it

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Speaker 1: ride there, agreed, and I think this bears some follow up.

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Speaker 1: the abductions a little more too. Yeah, one day. That's

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Speaker 1: it you anymore. I got nothing else on this one.

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