1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:04,480 Speaker 1: Ola Latino USA listener, It's Mariino Hoosa. So I want 2 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: to share an episode from In the Thick, which is 3 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:11,480 Speaker 1: our politics podcast. It's also part of our Futuro Media Familia, 4 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: and it's a show that I also co host. In 5 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 1: this In the Thick episode, my co host Julio Ricardo 6 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 1: Barela and I speak with Jennifer Medina. She's a national 7 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 1: politics reporter at the New York Times, and ahead of 8 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: the midterms, we have a conversation trying to make sense 9 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: about all of the recent polling focused on Latino and 10 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: Latino voters, which are, as you know, the second largest 11 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 1: voting cohort in the United States. So what do Latino 12 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:43,560 Speaker 1: voters care about? What assumptions about Latino voters are both 13 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 1: parties getting wrong. The answers are on this episode of 14 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: In the Thick, so please take a listen. 15 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 2: Well, all of these polls really make clear is Latinos 16 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 2: need to be messaged to, I need to be spoken to, 17 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 2: and their concerns have to be taken seriously because they 18 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 2: can vote in all sorts of directions. 19 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: From Futro Media and PRX, It's In the Thick, a 20 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: podcast about politics, race and culture. 21 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 3: I'm Maria no Kosa. 22 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:15,320 Speaker 4: And we have a very special guest today joining us 23 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 4: from Los Angeles, California, is Jennifer Medina. 24 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:21,320 Speaker 1: She's a national politics reporter for The New York Times. 25 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 3: Hey, Jennifer, and welcome to the show. 26 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. Super excited to 27 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:26,320 Speaker 2: be here. 28 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:28,960 Speaker 3: Me too, Me too. We're so excited to have you. 29 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 1: And yeah, everybody is still recording from home, so in 30 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 1: the background you may happen to hear some dog toys. 31 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 3: That's my house, just full disclosure. 32 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: So Jennifer, Look, anybody who knows politics and reads The 33 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 1: New York Times. 34 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 3: Knows that this is the space where you live. You 35 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 3: live and breathe in politics. 36 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 1: And right now we are weeks away from these really 37 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: important midterms, which will determine kind of the future of 38 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: the politics of the country. So we like to ask 39 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 1: this question of our journalists who do this kind of 40 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: hardcore political reporting. What's your temperature check? How are you feeling? 41 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 1: Not as a journalist, but as Jenny Medina. 42 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 5: The human being from Los Angeles? 43 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 2: From Los Angeles, Oh weary. I mean, it's been an 44 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 2: exhausting grilling years for everybody, for everybody in politics, and 45 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 2: it's been a long couple of weeks in Los Angeles specifically, 46 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 2: so I haven't actually been here for all of it. 47 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 2: I mean, this is an exhausting time for our country, 48 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 2: I think. 49 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 1: So we have to just ask very specifically because you 50 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 1: are in LA because this is dou Derritoro. Yeah, what 51 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 1: has happened with the Los Angeles City Council, Nuti Martine, 52 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: is the disgracefulness in which the Los Angeles City Council 53 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: is now being seen on a national scale. Latino and 54 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 1: Latina politicians, how they are being seen on a national scale. 55 00:02:56,680 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: So again take us into the side of Jenny Medina, 56 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: who's like, I'm an LA resident and I'm a Latina 57 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 1: and you're feeling. 58 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 2: I mean, the word that kept echoing through my head 59 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 2: and in my great grandmother's voice specifically, is vitaguenza. Like, 60 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 2: what a freaking shame these people, these council members who 61 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 2: are now fairly, you know, rightly disgraced, rose to power 62 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 2: on the message and the backs of sort of Latino 63 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 2: political power building, like they were supposed to be for 64 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 2: working people, for immigrants, and they were, I mean, at 65 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 2: least some of them had done some really important things 66 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 2: in their career and to then be caught saying such ugly, 67 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 2: horribly racist things is just such a horrible shame. And 68 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 2: the thing that I keep thinking about and ruminating over 69 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 2: my head over and over is like, who did they 70 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 2: think they were representing? Exactly? Who were their quote unquote 71 00:03:56,000 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 2: people they were talking about, well Hawkins in Koreatown, as 72 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 2: if that was like a foreign notion to them. I mean, 73 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 2: I just none of it's excusable and none of it 74 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 2: makes sense. I mean, it's just all so crazy. And 75 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 2: the thing that I keep wondering is like, whose lives 76 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 2: were they trying to make better? Was it just you know, 77 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 2: people like them, meaning like wealthy homeowners, college educated people. 78 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: Like But even so you're not a vile racist and 79 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 1: see those things. 80 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 3: Of course, you know. I mean it's like, ah, you. 81 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 2: Should know better. 82 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 4: Oh god, yeah, I was gonna say, we don't know 83 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 4: what the final fallout is and all this doing right, 84 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 4: like whatever happens in the short term, the news that's 85 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 4: coming out, you know, obviously it's dominating LA politics and 86 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 4: we won't know, we won't know like what does this 87 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 4: all mean? But you know, we're two weeks from the 88 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 4: midterm elections and you know what that means. So many 89 00:04:55,440 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 4: polls that have come out, especially about Latino Latino voters. 90 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 5: Let me just list a couple here. 91 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:06,840 Speaker 4: So, the National Association of Latino Elected and Appointed Officials 92 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 4: Educational Fund NALEO released their sixth week of polling on 93 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:14,799 Speaker 4: October nineteenth, and they found that half of Latino voters 94 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 4: had yet to be contacted by any candidate or campaign. 95 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:23,160 Speaker 4: Then a Washington Post poll from this week showed Democrats 96 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 4: still had a lead with Latino voters, though it is 97 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 4: less than it was in twenty eighteen. And finally, we 98 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 4: have had two New York Times Ciena College polls, one 99 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 4: in September and one in October, which you have reported on. 100 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 4: So as someone who has been analyzing all this breaking 101 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:42,480 Speaker 4: this down, you know, Jenny like I've Jenny and I've 102 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 4: been We haven't compared polls this time around, but previous 103 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 4: cycles we have. How much can we rely on the 104 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 4: polling and what is it really telling us? 105 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 5: You know in your reporting? What do you think? 106 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 2: Well, first, I just want to take a step back, 107 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:59,600 Speaker 2: given the show that we're on and say how amazing 108 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 2: it is is, frankly that Latinos are being pulled in 109 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 2: this sophisticated way big. 110 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 3: I thank you. 111 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 2: Please correct me if either of you think I'm wrong. 112 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 2: But this is the first cycle that I can remember 113 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:17,799 Speaker 2: where there's such a sustained focus by the quote unquote 114 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 2: mainstream media on Latino voters. 115 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:22,359 Speaker 4: You're not right, You're absolutely right. Right, Thank you for 116 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 4: giving us that perspective. 117 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 5: You're right. 118 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 1: I mean, it's not tremendous amount, but it's a step 119 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:28,840 Speaker 1: in the right direction for sure. 120 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 5: It's getting more consistent too. 121 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, and the nuance I think is really important. Like 122 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 2: you did not have non partisan polling specifically looking at 123 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 2: a large sample size of Latinos before, and so instead 124 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 2: what you would have is some national poll that talked 125 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 2: to one hundred voters, no real sense if those voters 126 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 2: were English speaker, Spanish speakers, if they were in Florida 127 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:57,359 Speaker 2: or California or New Mexico, you know, no real sense 128 00:06:57,360 --> 00:06:59,719 Speaker 2: of where they were coming from. And then these hot 129 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 2: tape right written like with these sweeping conclusions all Latinos 130 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:06,839 Speaker 2: think X and I think the benefit of these polls 131 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 2: is hopefully we have finally put a little bit of 132 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 2: an end to that, or at least dampened that. I 133 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 2: hope you one can hope. 134 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 4: I'm hoping given that you've established that perspective, And thank you, 135 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 4: Jenny for because I've become so cynical as I get old, 136 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 4: So I'm really glad you mentioned that, because yeah, right, 137 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 4: relative to what we've done in the dearth of pulling 138 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 4: that done the bad Yeah, what are the takeaways that 139 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 4: you're finding in your reporting? 140 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 5: Like, how complex is it this time around? 141 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:38,559 Speaker 2: So it's super complex. I mean, I think the big 142 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 2: takeaway from all these national polls is that there is 143 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 2: not really good news for either party in these polls. 144 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 2: It is completely true that Democrats are losing Latino voters 145 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 2: in some way. It is not true that the Republicans 146 00:07:56,920 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 2: are seeing some massive influx. There's no mass exodus from 147 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 2: the Democratic Party toward the Republican Party. But there are 148 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 2: big warning signs for the Democratic Party, who have for 149 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 2: the most part, really taken Latino voters for granted for 150 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 2: a very long time at this point. And I think 151 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 2: what you see in this poll, in all of these 152 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 2: polls is some pretty big dissatisfaction on both parties from 153 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 2: Latino voters like who's representing us, who's looking out for us, 154 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 2: who's talking about the things we most care about, you know, 155 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 2: just to again to step back and give a little 156 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 2: historical context. Latino voters had voted in such enormous numbers 157 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 2: for Barack Obama, as you all of course know. Then 158 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 2: Trump comes along, and I think many of us, myself included, 159 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 2: expect there to be some kind of backlash, and there 160 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 2: clearly wasn't that. There was the opposite of that in 161 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 2: twenty twenty. And then there was this conventional wisdom that 162 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 2: I think of as being like an over corrective that 163 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 2: was like, h Latinos are leaving the Democratic Party and 164 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 2: they're now all conservatives, and that was like the land 165 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 2: of a million hot takes that I think we're quite wrong, right. 166 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 5: We love that of a million hot takes. 167 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 1: So, Jenny, the New York Times Siena College poll that 168 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: came out in September that you reported on quite a 169 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:18,079 Speaker 1: bit found that a majority of Latino Latina voters were 170 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 1: more likely to vote for a Democratic candidate. But similar 171 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: to other polls, as you said, you know, the Democratic 172 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 1: hold was essentially a decrease from past elections, and that 173 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 1: there's a very particular voter, Latino voter that essentially is 174 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 1: drifting away from the party. It is younger male Latino 175 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: voters in the South of where I spend a lot 176 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 1: of time reporting. So yes, I see that completely. And 177 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: so I guess you know, as you're saying, there's not 178 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: a winner or lose for both, but I mean, the 179 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 1: Democratic Party, what do you think it's going to take 180 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 1: for them? Because you're a political reporter, I'm a seasoned 181 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:12,839 Speaker 1: political reporter, because I've been around for a while, thank god, 182 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: been marinating for a while. And these concerns about the 183 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 1: Democratic Party and their connection to Latino Latino voters, of 184 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 1: course are not new. 185 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 3: So what do you. 186 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 1: Think that the polls really tell us then, in terms 187 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 1: about of Latino and Latina voters as we're going into 188 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: the midterms, and I know that it's just like it's 189 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 1: a roller coaster, But today when we're recording, what do 190 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 1: you think that this polling is showing specifically about Latino 191 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 1: Latin voters. 192 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:41,719 Speaker 2: So there's a couple of things I would tease out 193 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 2: and what you said, And one of the most interesting 194 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:45,679 Speaker 2: things to me that came out of the poll that 195 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:49,079 Speaker 2: we did was seeing how many Latino voters still view 196 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 2: the Democratic Party as the party of the quote unquote 197 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 2: working class whatever that working class label means to them. 198 00:10:56,400 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 2: They see the Democratic Party as representing that group of people, 199 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 2: and that's sort of against the conventional wisdom or against 200 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 2: what the Republicans have tried to do, which is to 201 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 2: try to be the party and is the party kind 202 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 2: of of the white working class. So that's very interesting 203 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 2: sort of broad contexts. But then to go to the 204 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 2: demographic that Democrats are having the hardest time with young 205 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 2: male Latino voters, especially in the South, I think the 206 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 2: question for the Democratic Party and the Republican Party is 207 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 2: what are you telling these voters you are doing? 208 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 5: What are you for? 209 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 2: For a very long time, the Democratic Party has basically 210 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 2: relied on Republicans to do the job for them, to 211 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 2: just sort of repel Latino voters and then Latino voters 212 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 2: will be in their camp by default. And what these 213 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 2: young men are saying is like, Okay, that's not enough. 214 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 2: I need to know what you're going to actually do 215 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 2: for me, for people like me, you know, how are 216 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:56,559 Speaker 2: you going to make my life demonstrably better? And Democrats 217 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 2: have to figure out how to explain that to those 218 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 2: voters because they're not as committed, you know, as ra Aualitas 219 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 2: are as their grandmothers and grandfathers might have been. They 220 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 2: don't see the Republican Party with that same kind of 221 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 2: skepticism that their grandparents might have done. 222 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 3: Interesting. 223 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:15,079 Speaker 1: So I do have a bone to pick with one 224 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 1: particular question in the poll because I felt like it 225 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 1: was really well, I'll just tell you what it is. 226 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 3: And this is a September poll. 227 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 1: So the question was to Latino Latina voters, which of 228 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 1: the following comes closest to your views about the Democratic Party? 229 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 1: And the first option was Democrats have gone too far 230 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: in pushing a woke ideology on issues related to race 231 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 1: and gender. Forty percent of Latinos and latin has said yes, 232 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,440 Speaker 1: the Democrats have gone too far in pushing this quote 233 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 1: unquote woke ideology. Thirty seven percent said no. I mean 234 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: that's a strange question in a poll. I just think 235 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 1: that that's I think it's very leading. I think no 236 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 1: one really knows what woke is. I think there's a 237 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 1: pop culture part of it that I was like, why 238 00:12:57,960 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 1: that's a weird question. 239 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I love bones to pick and 240 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 2: I love criticism, So thank you for the good question. 241 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 2: I actually, you know, it's not like I get to 242 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:09,679 Speaker 2: make every decision at the New York Times alone, as 243 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 2: much as I. 244 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 3: Might like, oh honey, I know. 245 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 2: And I actually asked that very same question as this 246 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 2: poll was being designed, and the answer that I got 247 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 2: back from people who are pulling experts is what they 248 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 2: are really trying to do. What they were really trying 249 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 2: to do is test to see whether the Republican attack 250 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 2: on quote unquote being woke was working. And the thing 251 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 2: that I said, then, you know, there's a danger in 252 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 2: using your personal frame of reference too much, but sometimes 253 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 2: it's the best thing to go back to. And I said, 254 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 2: you know, I don't think a lot of people know 255 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 2: what woke means. Like if you asked my mom, who's 256 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 2: an English speaker, I'm not sure she would know what 257 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 2: woke means exactly. And we were translating the poll into 258 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 2: Spanish because we were asking monolingual Spanish speakers, and I 259 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 2: was like, almostly, you say woke, like there's no translation 260 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 2: for that, So like, what are. 261 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:05,679 Speaker 5: We supposed to say? 262 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 2: And so what was interesting to me about the data 263 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 2: that came back from that question. A huge portion of 264 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 2: people who we asked that question to, of Latinos who 265 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 2: we asked that question to had no idea what the 266 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 2: word meant. So what that tells me is a couple 267 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 2: things is Yes, the Republican attack on quote unquote wochism 268 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 2: is working in some quarters, but a lot of normal people, 269 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 2: a lot of people who are going to be casting 270 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 2: a ballot in a few weeks, have no idea what 271 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 2: it means. And it shows how disconnected the sort of 272 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 2: Twitter verse political punditry is from these voters who we 273 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 2: are trying to quote unquote represent. 274 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 1: And I think it kind of opens up for the 275 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 1: Democrats to kind of be like, we could be more 276 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 1: progressive actually without being afraid of like, oh, they're going 277 00:14:57,440 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 1: to come after us for being woke. We can just 278 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: be progressive because it's the humanitarian and humane thing to do. 279 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: Sorry to interrupt, go who because we have some news 280 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: to break, right. 281 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, so, Jenny, you're the first to know. Media 282 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 5: makes history. We did our first political poll ever. 283 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 4: Excellent and it came out actually right now this Tuesday. 284 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 4: Actually wrote a piece, but we did focus on three 285 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 4: swing states Florida, Georgia, and Pennsylvania and all Latino and 286 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 4: Latino likely voters. Focusing on the Senate gubernatorial races where 287 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 4: Latinos were more likely to support certain issues. 288 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 5: But just a little tease, this was interesting. 289 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 4: Latinos in Georgia are more likely to support Democratic Senate 290 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 4: candidate Raphael Warnock compared to Democrat gubernatorial candidate Stacy Abrams. 291 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 4: And this divide was most stark when it came to 292 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 4: independent or third party voters. I've always said that Latino 293 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 4: Latino voters need to be treated like swing states in general, 294 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 4: or swing voters like you know what I mean, Like 295 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 4: there needs to be more attention, And I just thought 296 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 4: that Georgia findings really spoke to how Latinos can influence 297 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 4: an election. Talk to me about that as the swing 298 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 4: voter in your reporting that you've been covering not only 299 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 4: this year but throughout your career in terms of like 300 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 4: Latinos and Latinas, even though they might not be a 301 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 4: big part of the population in a state like Georgia, 302 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 4: they could influence it. 303 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 5: So what are your thoughts. 304 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 2: I'm so glad you did Georgia and Pennsylvania. As much 305 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 2: as I love and obsessed about the West, I really 306 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 2: love that you focus on states that people don't always 307 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 2: think of as being Latino centers. Yeah, and in those states, 308 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 2: the races are going to be so close that there's 309 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 2: no doubt that if Latinos show up in the numbers 310 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 2: that they're expected to could easily swing the state wide races. 311 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 2: And I think what you just said about Latinos being 312 00:16:54,960 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 2: swing voters is very key. I mean, we the zeitguy story, like, 313 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 2: the people who obsess about this stuff all the time 314 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 2: have always thought of quote unquote soccer moms as being 315 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 2: this like prototypical swing voter. And most of the time 316 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:14,359 Speaker 2: soccer moms has been like a code for a white 317 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 2: college educated woman. But if you look across the country Georgia, Pennsylvania, Florida, Arizona, 318 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 2: soccer moms are Latinas and Latino men. 319 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 5: I mean like soccer parents exactly. 320 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 4: Having grown up in the soccer culture with my kid, 321 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 4: believe me, it's the Latino or Latino parents who are 322 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 4: like they're there more than anybody else. 323 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 2: I mean, we were into soccer before it was you know. 324 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:43,360 Speaker 2: But I digress exactly. I mean all this attention has 325 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 2: been given to white college educated voters as we need 326 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 2: to convince you to vote for our side. We need 327 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:55,400 Speaker 2: to persuade you to vote for our side. Whereas Latinos, 328 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 2: it's just been like, oh, we expect you to show up. 329 00:17:57,520 --> 00:17:58,920 Speaker 2: We're going to come to you like a couple of 330 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 2: weeks before election day. We just got to get you 331 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:02,400 Speaker 2: to show up to the polls, and then you're going 332 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 2: to vote for us. And I think what all of 333 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 2: these polls really make clear is no, Latinos need to 334 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:09,919 Speaker 2: be messaged to. I need to be spoken to, and 335 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:13,160 Speaker 2: their concerns have to be taken seriously because they can 336 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:17,639 Speaker 2: vote in all sorts of directions and they're actually quite 337 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:21,120 Speaker 2: sophisticated and nuanced, and yeah, you know, you take it 338 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 2: for granted at your own peril. 339 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:34,919 Speaker 1: So, Jenny, you know, some of the people that you 340 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 1: spoke with in your reporting for that polling in September 341 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 1: was really interesting because you had Latinos and Latinas saying yeah, 342 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 1: but you know, on the issue of the economy, though, 343 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 1: I kind of could go for the Republicans, and I'm 344 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: just like wow, which is really fascinating because the Republican 345 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 1: messaging on the economy has worked. It's not like the 346 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 1: economy happens to just be great under Republicans. We know this, 347 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:01,120 Speaker 1: but their messaging has worked. And I guess what I'm 348 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:03,439 Speaker 1: trying to say is that people like the Three of 349 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:07,639 Speaker 1: Us Nerds have been saying you cannot assume Latinos and 350 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:10,119 Speaker 1: Latin haz vote as a block. We are the second 351 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: largest voting cohort in the United States now, but we 352 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:18,680 Speaker 1: don't vote as a block, and that the issue of 353 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 1: for example, the economy could be a number one issue, 354 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: not necessarily immigration. So when we were at an hd 355 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: convention in August, the National Association of Hispanic and Black Journalists, 356 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:33,920 Speaker 1: Julio spoke with Arelis Vnandez, a reporter for The Washington 357 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 1: Post who's based in Texas, and she talked about her 358 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: experience covering South Texas. 359 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 3: Let's go to the tape. 360 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 6: South Texas is made up of very specific regions with 361 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:47,360 Speaker 6: very specific histories and communities, and so it's different from 362 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 6: one place the next. A place like McCallan, where Texas 363 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 6: fifteen is where Monica de la Cruz and Michelle Badejo. 364 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 5: Are you going to do? 365 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 2: Get out here? 366 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 5: Right? 367 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:00,119 Speaker 4: Being the progressive, Monica de la Cruz the Republican. 368 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 5: But McCollen is McCollen. 369 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 6: It's not what you would think of the first time 370 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 6: I went there, I was like, oh, this is not 371 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:09,920 Speaker 6: at all sort of the dusty border community that I imagine, 372 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 6: But that's what I sort of imagine. 373 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 5: It's a metropolis. 374 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 6: It's a huge, upwardly mobile community where a lot of 375 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 6: money is being transacted and there's a lot of big 376 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 6: business there. And so I think what is not calculated 377 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 6: into all that is sort of the very ambitious goals 378 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 6: that a place like McCallen and Hidalgo County have and 379 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 6: the way that that rubs against the politics right so 380 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 6: that their ineficence. 381 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 2: I'm not sure. 382 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:41,400 Speaker 6: Latinos becoming more conservative or more liberal or one way 383 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 6: or the other. I think they're voting their interests. 384 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 1: So Jenny, just go a little bit deeper in terms 385 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 1: of what are some of your takeaways that you think 386 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 1: both the Democrats and the Republicans get wrong in terms 387 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 1: of their assumptions and frankly, even US political reporters. I 388 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:58,200 Speaker 1: know that a big assumption I always talk about is 389 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:03,959 Speaker 1: that not understanding how anti abortion the Latino Latina voters 390 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 1: in South Florida, Central Florida are. But let's talk about 391 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: what you think are some of the assumptions that the 392 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: parties are getting wrong. 393 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 2: First of all, I shout out to another least who 394 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 2: I love seeing in South Texas and have run into there. 395 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 2: And I will start with South Texas being an example 396 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 2: of what assumptions that we make. In twenty twenty, in 397 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 2: the pandemic, I was going to places where I could drive, 398 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 2: and so I did not spend any time into South 399 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:32,640 Speaker 2: Texas until after the election when Trump had made all 400 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 2: these inroads there. And what I realized after spending time there, 401 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 2: as she just alluded to, is how much people there 402 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:46,120 Speaker 2: are totally squarely focused on the economy and on their 403 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:50,920 Speaker 2: kids doing better economically than they do, and how pervasive 404 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 2: the up buyer Bootstrap's mentality is there. Again like echoing 405 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:59,360 Speaker 2: her a little bit, like it's not about conservative or liberal, 406 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 2: It's just like I want my kids to do well 407 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 2: financially and everything else is secondary. I mean, there are 408 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:10,719 Speaker 2: so many assumptions that we make, and I really do 409 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:12,919 Speaker 2: always include myself in that. You know, I live in 410 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 2: LA I grew up in California. I come to politics 411 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 2: with my own set of assumptions and thinking, you know 412 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 2: that other places are going to follow what California has 413 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 2: looked like, and what we're seeing across the country is 414 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:30,239 Speaker 2: that's just not at all that simple. I mean you 415 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 2: talked about abortion. I mean I think part of the 416 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 2: change that is going on among Latino voters now is 417 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 2: really driven by religion and by the growth of the 418 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 2: evangelical church and Latino communities and how involved those pastors 419 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 2: are a Mida Flores, who won in the Brownsville district 420 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:53,919 Speaker 2: earlier this year, one in very large part because of 421 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 2: the network of evangelical churches in the district, including her 422 00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 2: own pastor. 423 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 5: Leading right, Let's. 424 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 4: Just stick to that for a second, because you mentioned it, 425 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:04,679 Speaker 4: and you know you've been shouting everyone out, so I'm 426 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 4: going to shout out your work. Yes, Jenny, I mean 427 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 4: one of my favorite pieces, the one that you wrote 428 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:13,159 Speaker 4: in July, the Rise of the Far Right Latina. You 429 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 4: had me at the headline, So whoever your editor was, 430 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 4: thank you. Because I think there needs to be sort 431 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,360 Speaker 4: of that attention grabbing to kind of get into more 432 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 4: of the nuances that you talk about. So you know, 433 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,680 Speaker 4: we've been closely following some of those races you mentioned, 434 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 4: the thirty fourth Congressional district where Republican might have Floides 435 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,640 Speaker 4: who's currently a member of Congress, is running to keep 436 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 4: her seat and in the fifteenth district where Republican Monicue 437 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 4: de la Cruz is running against Michelle Bydejo. That's the 438 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,719 Speaker 4: two Kennedy's that at at least mentioned in that clip. 439 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:49,400 Speaker 4: And you actually interviewed mighta floid Is actually in her 440 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 4: first interview as a congresswoman, and you asked her about 441 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 4: her personal journey and how she viewed her win in 442 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 4: an area that has voted Democrats for decades. So you 443 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:00,920 Speaker 4: mentioned the pastor in the evangelical movement as a way 444 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 4: to get Mida Florida as to victory. But what surprised 445 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 4: you about how Mida Floridas saw herself and her transition 446 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,640 Speaker 4: to the Republican Party And do you think that when 447 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 4: it comes to some Latino voting groups, it's more about 448 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,200 Speaker 4: the candidate than party loyalty. 449 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 2: Great question. I mean, I think the first time I 450 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,400 Speaker 2: met Metathlora's was actually in the spring of this year, 451 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 2: so before we even knew that there was going to 452 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 2: be a special election, let alone that she was going 453 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 2: to win the special election, And the way that she 454 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:35,640 Speaker 2: had framed herself and her campaign as being about God, family, country, 455 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 2: those three simple words, and she had signs all over 456 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 2: the district in English and Spanish. With those three words, 457 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:47,400 Speaker 2: I think gave her such simple appeal to people who 458 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,640 Speaker 2: are focused, going back to what we were just talking about, 459 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:51,920 Speaker 2: who are focused on those very things, that's what they 460 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,439 Speaker 2: care about. I think what surprised me is sort of 461 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 2: how easy it was for her to be successful with that. 462 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 2: You know, when I did that interview with her in Washington, 463 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 2: one of the things I pressed her on was about 464 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,400 Speaker 2: January sixth and whether she thought Biden was the fairly 465 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:14,360 Speaker 2: elected president, and she basically refused to answer, but then 466 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,719 Speaker 2: kind of went on to say, you know, people in 467 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 2: my district don't care about that, and to many of us, 468 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:25,120 Speaker 2: that's sort of shocking. But there's an extent to which 469 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,160 Speaker 2: she might be right. It might actually be true that 470 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 2: people in her district, the majority of people, the majority 471 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 2: of voters, don't actually care if they have somebody in 472 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 2: office who is denying that Biden was the fairly elected president. 473 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 2: Either they don't care or they are willing to look 474 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:46,879 Speaker 2: past it because they find her and her story so compelling. 475 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 2: You know, I don't think that meta Flores has an 476 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 2: easy that it's a foreg on conclusion that she wins reelection. 477 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,159 Speaker 2: It's actually a very tough race for her now in November. 478 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 2: But the rapid assent and the way that she was 479 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:04,359 Speaker 2: in by Kevin McCarthy and the Republicans in Washington was 480 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 2: just really. 481 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 5: Pretty quick, incredible. Yeah, it was super quick. 482 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:09,879 Speaker 4: Madia, and I talk about it all the time, Right, Madia, 483 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 4: It's like she is of Mexican descent and a Latina, 484 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:19,400 Speaker 4: like everything that is representing the future of this country. 485 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:23,160 Speaker 4: You could say what you want about Republicans, but they're 486 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,119 Speaker 4: smart enough to realize like this is a good political 487 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:27,679 Speaker 4: moment for them, right Madia. 488 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think part of what I'm seeing too, and 489 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:35,119 Speaker 1: I'd be interested. You know, there is this notion that 490 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 1: Latino Latina voters, Latin American voters might be more progressive. 491 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 1: They may have been exposed to working class movements, revolutionary 492 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:50,119 Speaker 1: movements in their home countries. But there's also the reality 493 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 1: that many countries in Latin America have authoritarian regimes where 494 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:59,879 Speaker 1: there is mano dura, you know, especially against crime, and 495 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 1: this is very either the whole kind of cult of 496 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:06,439 Speaker 1: personality does play into Latin American politics and then carried 497 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 1: into US politics with latinos so and I think that 498 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,640 Speaker 1: Trump's win showed right that there is this really strange 499 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 1: cult of personality, dynamic, whatever he says. My whole concern, 500 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,879 Speaker 1: of course, is because Latinos and Latins are growing at 501 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,439 Speaker 1: this fast pace, that we're the second largest voting cohort 502 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 1: in the United States, that how we understand democracy is 503 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,919 Speaker 1: going to determine what democracy looks like in the future 504 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:30,680 Speaker 1: of this country. 505 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,640 Speaker 2: Absolutely, I mean absolutely. 506 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 3: So your take on that. 507 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 2: I mean, I do not want to pretend to be 508 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:41,920 Speaker 2: an expert in foreign policy and foreign governments in Latin 509 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 2: American history, but what I know is completely what you said, 510 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 2: and it plays out in such weird and somewhat predictable 511 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:54,639 Speaker 2: but also kind of unpredictable ways. I mean, again, just 512 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 2: to go back to the example of Florida's like part 513 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,200 Speaker 2: of her success is that she was seen as being 514 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:04,680 Speaker 2: again one of us, whoever quote unquote us is meaning 515 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,360 Speaker 2: she's from the valley, she's the child of immigrants, she's 516 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,359 Speaker 2: the child of farm workers. In fact, she's from just 517 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,920 Speaker 2: across the border. That was a big part of her appeal. 518 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,680 Speaker 2: And you see that play out in other ways too, right, 519 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 2: You see that in South Florida. I mean, part of 520 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 2: how Cubans have come to such power in this country 521 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:27,400 Speaker 2: is because they managed to get power for themselves by 522 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 2: electing people who they thought were again quote unquote like us. 523 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,400 Speaker 2: I mean, I just think, again, we don't know how 524 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 2: this all plays out. We just don't know. We still 525 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 2: are seeing such rapid change. Latinos are so young as 526 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 2: a population. 527 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 1: Remember that the future of democracy looks more and more 528 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 1: Latino exactly. 529 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 2: I mean, so I just don't think we know the 530 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 2: answer to how it plays out. And again, as we're 531 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 2: talking about the midterms, it's important to remember, Maneya, to 532 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,959 Speaker 2: underscore your point, Latinos are going to make a difference 533 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 2: our majority or significant minority, like more than thirty percent 534 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 2: in more than a dozen congressional races this year, wow, 535 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 2: and in two of the most important Senate saints in 536 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 2: Nevada and Arizona, not to mention Georgia and Pennsylvania, where 537 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 2: they could also swing. 538 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 4: And even Florida for that case, and even Florida given 539 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 4: what representative demings did last week in the debate. I mean, 540 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 4: we'll see where that lands. But you know, against Marco Rubio, 541 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 4: but that's just a given, right, Yeah. 542 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 2: And Florida, I mean you know Florida is such a 543 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 2: fascinating place. 544 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 5: It's its own beat. 545 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 2: I mean, Democrats have basically given up on Florida. 546 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 3: It's fascinating, which is ridiculous. 547 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 4: They should not over a million Puerto Ricans traditionally democratic. 548 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 1: Correct, it's walking away from an opportunity. 549 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 5: To take that one. You lost it. 550 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 4: And I've talked to too many people inside Central Florida, 551 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 4: and I'm talking political operatives, people that get the vote out, 552 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 4: and they're like, lost opportunity. 553 00:29:58,600 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 5: That's a piece in itself. 554 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 4: And I know people have written about it, but you mention, 555 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 4: and I have to say it the way people say it, 556 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 4: even though you know my Spanish comes out sometimes, Manya, 557 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 4: but I'm going. 558 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 5: To say it Nevada. You mentioned Nevada. 559 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,479 Speaker 2: It's how we say it out West Olio. I know 560 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 2: it's incorrect to Spanish, but it is Nevada. 561 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 5: How we get Nevada. And there's a Latina senator, the 562 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 5: first Latino senator ever. 563 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 4: Democratic Senator Catherine Cortes Masto, who's running for reelection in 564 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 4: the tough reelection race, and Jenny you recently wrote about 565 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 4: those challenges she and other Democrats are facing in that state, 566 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 4: especially as the economy is top of mind in a 567 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 4: state that relies on tourism, hospitality, service jobs, all of 568 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 4: which have been hit hard during the pandemic. And Republicans, 569 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 4: you know, this is the Republican strategy across any race, right, 570 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 4: You don't need a majority of Latino or Latino voters 571 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 4: if they just get thirty percent, the magical thirty percent 572 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 4: that has always been there since you know, the days 573 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 4: of Ronald Reagan. 574 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:56,479 Speaker 5: You know what I mean. 575 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 4: It's like, so you get that magical thirty you're at 576 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,720 Speaker 4: least in play as a Republican. Right, So how do 577 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 4: you make sense of the many layers in a state 578 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 4: like Nevada and what does it signal about how changing 579 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 4: demographics will impact future elections in that state? 580 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 2: I mean, Nevada, my next door neighbor. It's an endlessly 581 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 2: fascinating place to me. And one of the ways it's 582 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 2: fascinating right this second, is because this whole question of 583 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 2: like Latino is becoming conservative? I'm saying in my best 584 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 2: hot take voice. 585 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 5: That was a nice hot take voice, Jenny. 586 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 2: I mean, there is the Latino population in Nevada is 587 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 2: heavily union, heavily working class, and was so devastated by 588 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 2: the pandemic, in terms of jobs, in terms of personal health, 589 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 2: in terms of family members dying. I mean, it is 590 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 2: hard for me to think of a place that is 591 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 2: more acutely impacted economically by the last two years. And again, 592 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 2: this is a place that survived the housing crisis, that 593 00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 2: has survived the Great Recession. I mean, there's just such 594 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 2: ups and downs for people who can not always survive 595 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 2: the economic ups and downs, right, like are forced to 596 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 2: move elsewhere or forced out of their homes or their apartments, 597 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 2: whatever the case may be. So it is so much 598 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 2: about the economy, and I don't, you know, I just think, like, well, 599 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 2: what's going to work there? And the fact that Cortes 600 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 2: Masto is struggling is just fascinating. She's somebody who's been 601 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 2: in statewide office for a very long time. She's been 602 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:33,479 Speaker 2: a senator for a full term, and yet many Latino 603 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 2: voters who I've spoken to on the ground there are like, 604 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 2: who who's our senator? They have no idea who she is. 605 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 2: It's not that they dislike her, it's just that they 606 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 2: don't know who she is. 607 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 3: It's like there's a fire under her. 608 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 1: Kind of messaging that is not she's not on fire, 609 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, but you know, voters do 610 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,320 Speaker 1: want to connect with something that is aspirational to. 611 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 2: Right, I mean, and she sort of has prided herself 612 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 2: on being a work course, right, not seeking the spotlight. 613 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 2: But there might be political consequences to that. And one 614 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 2: other thing that is fascinating to think about her in 615 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 2: the context of that we're talking about is how much 616 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:13,200 Speaker 2: she has or hasn't played up the first factor, the 617 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 2: fact that she is the first and only Latina in 618 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:16,960 Speaker 2: the US Senate right now. 619 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a great point. 620 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,680 Speaker 2: You know, it has not resonated for most of the 621 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 2: people that I've spoken to there, including I'm talking about 622 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 2: women who are involved in the Culinary Workers Union who 623 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 2: are like who what, like I don't, I don't know. 624 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 2: And now she's out there like posting pictures of her 625 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 2: at Bad Bunny concerts and in front of Love You Him, 626 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 2: and it's sort of fascinating, like does that work? 627 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 5: Yeah, it has that his bendering like quality. That will 628 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:44,200 Speaker 5: leave it at that. 629 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 4: But you're absolutely right, and I think with that state, 630 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,520 Speaker 4: given what it has done and it has delivered. I mean, 631 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 4: look at the late Harry Reid I mean, yeah, Latino's 632 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 4: delivered that stayed to him in a very, very tough election, 633 00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 4: and it kind of created sort of what it is, 634 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 4: part of the new blue wave. 635 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 5: And I think you're absolutely. 636 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 3: Right, it's complicated. 637 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 5: It's a toss up. Like that is a toss up. 638 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:10,760 Speaker 4: Arizona has a better chance of remaining democratic than Nevada. 639 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,240 Speaker 5: In the Senate, in the Senate, the Senate exactly. 640 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:14,719 Speaker 2: Maybe not in the governor's race. 641 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 4: Interestingly, maybe not in the governor's race, but definitely in 642 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 4: the Senate. 643 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 5: And that's that to me, is fascinating totally. 644 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,680 Speaker 4: All right, let's move on to our final segment, which 645 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:29,120 Speaker 4: we call seas or as Josa has said. 646 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:32,759 Speaker 1: Which I think is adorable because I'm sure you have 647 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,440 Speaker 1: this same same lingo at the New York Times. 648 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:40,640 Speaker 3: Right, let's talk at the New York Times. 649 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,719 Speaker 1: No, it's exactly what we wanted to ask you about. So, 650 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,680 Speaker 1: I mean, look our newsroom, right, I mean, it's a 651 00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,319 Speaker 1: company that I created, it's a nonprofit, it's you know, 652 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 1: basically women run. When we talk about the reckoning regarding 653 00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,359 Speaker 1: non white people leading newsrooms, I mean, this is the 654 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 1: essence of who we are. But I wonder if you think, Jenny, 655 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:08,719 Speaker 1: that there has been regarding Latinos and Latinas and I'll 656 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,480 Speaker 1: say it again at nauseum, that we are the second 657 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:15,000 Speaker 1: largest voting cohort in the country. Do you think that 658 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,759 Speaker 1: there has been a true reckoning in terms of newsrooms 659 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 1: about this and really understanding? Because I'm going crazy. This 660 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:25,239 Speaker 1: is the thing that drives me crazy. But what do 661 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,279 Speaker 1: you think? Do you think that it's going deeper or 662 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,479 Speaker 1: we've We're still climbing this hill. 663 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:32,640 Speaker 2: Oh how much time do we have? 664 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:33,720 Speaker 3: No? 665 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:34,320 Speaker 2: No, boyshit? 666 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 3: Remember see. 667 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:40,359 Speaker 2: I mean, first of all, in all sincerity and with 668 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:44,320 Speaker 2: all respect, like super shout out to you both and Maria, 669 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:48,440 Speaker 2: to you specifically for creating this and for paving the 670 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,919 Speaker 2: pathway for so many of us. I mean, I think 671 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,040 Speaker 2: thanks to you and to people like you, we have 672 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:57,200 Speaker 2: come a really long way. Look, I've been at the 673 00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,879 Speaker 2: New York Times. I just hit my twentieth year this year. 674 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,640 Speaker 2: I really hate to admit that I'm that old, but 675 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,440 Speaker 2: I started there as a college intern in two thousand 676 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,680 Speaker 2: and two, and there's no question. So this is the 677 00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,640 Speaker 2: newsroom that I know best and that I love. And 678 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:16,480 Speaker 2: no workplace and no newsroom is perfect for sure. The 679 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:20,239 Speaker 2: New York Times, and I think newsrooms in general are 680 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,839 Speaker 2: better than they were twenty years ago in terms of 681 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:29,719 Speaker 2: hiring Latinos, promoting Latinos, listening to Latinos. But boy, do 682 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,560 Speaker 2: we still have a long way to go. I mean, again, 683 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,200 Speaker 2: we've shouted out some people already, but like I think 684 00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,720 Speaker 2: about even covering politics. When I covered the twenty twenty race, 685 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,000 Speaker 2: I came from LA where there's a huge number of 686 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,520 Speaker 2: Latino reporters who I would run into on stories all 687 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,399 Speaker 2: the time, and then suddenly I was thrust into this 688 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:51,200 Speaker 2: political press corps where I was like, whoa, it's still 689 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,680 Speaker 2: super white and super male. I mean, I was very 690 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:59,359 Speaker 2: naively shocked by that. And yet I look around now 691 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,840 Speaker 2: two years later, we have Sabrina at the Washington Post, 692 00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:04,680 Speaker 2: my colleague Jasmine. 693 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,439 Speaker 4: Yeah, Sabrina Rodriguez Yasmini Yo, I'm just giving the last names. 694 00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:07,799 Speaker 1: Yeah. 695 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:11,759 Speaker 2: I mean, it's much better, but there is still a 696 00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:13,759 Speaker 2: super long way to go. I think one of the 697 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:17,600 Speaker 2: things that I think about all the time is how 698 00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:22,400 Speaker 2: can we have nuance and how can we complicate narratives 699 00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,239 Speaker 2: and presumptions, you know. One to go back to where 700 00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,480 Speaker 2: we started about the LA scandal, One of the things 701 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:29,319 Speaker 2: that I have thought about a lot is like, do 702 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,640 Speaker 2: we now move from a place where Latinos were sort 703 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:37,279 Speaker 2: of ignored to suddenly we are exhibit A of bendejos 704 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,120 Speaker 2: in the country. 705 00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,480 Speaker 3: Whoa from exhibit A to pendejos. 706 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,680 Speaker 4: I've heard so many takes in the land of a 707 00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,239 Speaker 4: million hot takes about this La City Council thing. 708 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 3: Maria. 709 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,839 Speaker 5: I think this is hot take number one. Doesn't make 710 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:53,800 Speaker 5: us look good. 711 00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,319 Speaker 1: No, no, it's tainted the national politics exactly. That's why 712 00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:02,000 Speaker 1: I'm like, it will have national reverberate. It is pouring 713 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,160 Speaker 1: salt on a wound that the only thing we can 714 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,160 Speaker 1: do now is to go deep into that wound and 715 00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,960 Speaker 1: have these conversations, and for that that's the only good 716 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:11,960 Speaker 1: that's going to come out of this. But it is 717 00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:16,480 Speaker 1: a national horror in terms of the racism that is clear. 718 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,759 Speaker 1: So yeah, But I had never never heard anybody say 719 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:20,720 Speaker 1: it quite like that, Jenny. 720 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,040 Speaker 4: That is hot hot take number one on the La 721 00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,560 Speaker 4: City Council by Jennifer Medina of The New York Times. 722 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:26,960 Speaker 2: I hate doing hot takes. 723 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:31,279 Speaker 1: That a hot take, Well you just did one, Thank 724 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:35,319 Speaker 1: you again, Jennifer Medina, a national politics reporter for The 725 00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:36,280 Speaker 1: New York Times. 726 00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:38,000 Speaker 3: We love having you on the show. 727 00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,040 Speaker 1: Thank you for twenty years of work at the New 728 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,880 Speaker 1: York Times and for never giving up and for keeping 729 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,320 Speaker 1: it real and for telling us the truth about Latino 730 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,120 Speaker 1: Latina voters. We may not like what we hear, but 731 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:49,759 Speaker 1: we have to hear it. So thank you so much 732 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:51,799 Speaker 1: for joining Julio and me on this episode of In 733 00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:52,200 Speaker 1: the Thick. 734 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,200 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me, and congratulations again 735 00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,719 Speaker 2: on all you do and especially the Pulitzer win. 736 00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:01,160 Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you. I'm Maria, you know. 737 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:08,400 Speaker 4: Josa, And and remember, dear listener, go to Apple Podcasts to. 738 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,399 Speaker 1: Rate and review us, and you know, give this one 739 00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,319 Speaker 1: a high number because that was a fascinating conversation about 740 00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,799 Speaker 1: what the future looks like. 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