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Just a nightmare scenario, all 0:02:41.440 --> 0:02:45.480 of them shot in the head, execution style. They were 0:02:45.520 --> 0:02:50.280 trying to possibly wipe out this entire family. It's absolutely shocking. 0:02:51.120 --> 0:02:55.600 I hope that the afortune in this area apprehend eaching everyone. 0:02:55.760 --> 0:02:59.040 These are peoples, these are monsters. This has been by 0:02:59.080 --> 0:03:03.280 far the long US most complex and labor intensive investigation 0:03:03.440 --> 0:03:09.480 the Ohio Attorney General's Office has ever undertaken. Go down 0:03:09.560 --> 0:03:14.679 your knee, mind your back, Mind your back. Yesterday, a 0:03:14.800 --> 0:03:19.519 Pike County grand jury and died four individuals for aggravated 0:03:19.600 --> 0:03:28.560 murder with death penalty specifications for allegedly committing this heartless, 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:35.920 ruthless murder. One family targeted, murdered in their sleep, and 0:03:36.000 --> 0:03:40.880 the killers vanished. It's personal. Somebody was trying to send 0:03:40.920 --> 0:03:44.240 a message. Everyone was talking about who could have done 0:03:44.240 --> 0:03:47.080 it and why they would have done it. I want 0:03:47.120 --> 0:03:51.680 to know exactly what happened that night. Thirty two gunshot wounds, 0:03:52.400 --> 0:03:58.240 eight people dead, two families destroyed, one grizzly crime. What 0:03:58.320 --> 0:04:04.280 will happen is any guests? This is the Piked and 0:04:04.400 --> 0:04:08.119 Massacre Seasons one and two recap How we got here. 0:04:09.320 --> 0:04:13.080 I'm Courtney Armstrong, a television producer at Katie Studios with 0:04:13.160 --> 0:04:17.479 Stephanie Leidecker and Jeff Shane. Our journey started back in 0:04:17.560 --> 0:04:20.800 twenty nineteen when we made a documentary about the crime, 0:04:20.920 --> 0:04:23.920 and we've been covering the story ever since. I think 0:04:23.960 --> 0:04:25.760 I speak for all of us. Would I say that 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:28.680 from then until now we have not been able to 0:04:28.720 --> 0:04:31.200 shake it or get it out of our heads. I 0:04:31.279 --> 0:04:33.680 think for me personally, the part of this case that 0:04:33.960 --> 0:04:37.159 continues to haunt me is the fact that there were 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:41.080 mothers brutally murdered in front of their babies. What kind 0:04:41.080 --> 0:04:43.760 of a monster would do that. We've had the benefit 0:04:43.760 --> 0:04:47.240 of going to Pike County many times and have interviewed 0:04:47.240 --> 0:04:51.719 to date probably hundreds of people, whether that's local townspeople 0:04:51.920 --> 0:04:56.360 or experts, or family members to the victims and family 0:04:56.400 --> 0:05:00.000 members of the accused. And one thing we can say 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:02.760 a small town like this, there's not a single person 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:07.039 that hasn't been affected by this hideous story, and there's 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:08.840 not a single person you can talk to on the 0:05:08.880 --> 0:05:11.440 street that doesn't know somebody connected to it in a 0:05:11.480 --> 0:05:15.920 meaningful way. Through all these conversations, we began to piece 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:18.880 together what happened on that fateful night. As you'll learn 0:05:18.920 --> 0:05:21.120 in the upcoming season three, there is still so much 0:05:21.200 --> 0:05:26.080 left to unravel in the community. Here's piked a native barb. 0:05:26.680 --> 0:05:30.560 Piked In's considered a village, and it is just a 0:05:30.600 --> 0:05:34.440 small little town that has a grocery store and a 0:05:34.480 --> 0:05:38.920 pizza shop and gas stations, and there's a tire shop. 0:05:39.360 --> 0:05:41.720 People sit and talk to the gas station. Wherever they go. 0:05:42.160 --> 0:05:44.640 People know each other and they just sit and talk. 0:05:44.920 --> 0:05:46.840 You know, at the tire shop you're waiting for an 0:05:47.000 --> 0:05:49.520 oil and oil change or whatever. You sit there and 0:05:49.600 --> 0:05:52.520 chat with your neighbor or whoever happens to come in. 0:05:53.040 --> 0:05:58.120 You know somebody anywhere you go. But at some point, 0:05:58.160 --> 0:06:00.919 out in the shadow of its green hill, the area 0:06:01.040 --> 0:06:05.359 has an erie passed. Everybody thinks all the bad stuff 0:06:05.400 --> 0:06:07.920 happens in the big cities, but the devil works at 0:06:07.960 --> 0:06:11.839 it everywhere. Pike County is beautiful. It's a beautiful place, 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:14.520 but there's a lot of dirty people here too. For 0:06:14.640 --> 0:06:16.720 the side of our town. There's been a lot of 0:06:16.800 --> 0:06:23.320 murders here that have not been solved. On April twenty first, 0:06:23.400 --> 0:06:28.159 twenty sixteen, evil reared its face in Pike County in 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:31.640 the dead of night under cool, cloudy skies. Eight people 0:06:31.680 --> 0:06:38.880 were brutally shot and killed in four separate homes. I'll 0:06:38.880 --> 0:06:42.080 never forget that day. I'll never forget that day. I 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:44.839 had gone into the office at the high school to 0:06:44.960 --> 0:06:49.720 pick Brittany up for an appointment, and when I walked in, 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:53.760 they had a TV on and everyone in there was 0:06:53.839 --> 0:06:57.360 sitting with their mouths hanging open, and I was like, 0:06:57.640 --> 0:07:03.000 what's going on in here? And the secretaries said, my god, 0:07:03.040 --> 0:07:06.760 there's been a shooting. They said six people were killed, 0:07:07.120 --> 0:07:10.120 and she said, we are very worried because little Chris 0:07:10.200 --> 0:07:13.880 Roden didn't show up today and we think he might 0:07:13.960 --> 0:07:19.720 be one of them. Everyone was just in shock. So 0:07:19.880 --> 0:07:23.440 little Chris law enforcement because they couldn't find him. There 0:07:23.520 --> 0:07:26.840 was some speculation early on that he might have been involved. 0:07:31.160 --> 0:07:33.720 For the residence of Pikedon. There was little more than 0:07:33.760 --> 0:07:37.760 confusion at this point. People knew there was a shooting 0:07:37.960 --> 0:07:40.880 and that Chris Roden Jr. A sixteen year old freshman 0:07:40.880 --> 0:07:46.000 at Pikedon High was missing. Where was the team? It 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:48.240 was at the home of Chris Roden Senior that the 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:53.120 nightmare began. Chris Roden Senior was known to be a strong, 0:07:53.280 --> 0:07:58.320 hard working family man. He was, you know, a great father. 0:07:58.760 --> 0:08:00.360 He was a good man, just like the rest of 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:02.960 the guys you know in that family. He would do 0:08:03.040 --> 0:08:08.360 anything for anybody. Chris sen Dana Rodin were married for 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:11.840 twenty two years, and although they divorced, they remained close, 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:16.040 so close that Chris Senior had recently bought Dana a 0:08:16.120 --> 0:08:19.960 home on the same road he lived on Union Hill Road. 0:08:21.200 --> 0:08:23.360 He did it so they could stay close to their children. 0:08:24.360 --> 0:08:27.480 Chris Senior's cousin, Gary Rodin, was more like a brother 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:31.360 to him and often stayed at his place. Little Chris's aunt, 0:08:31.480 --> 0:08:34.840 Bobby Joe, who also lived nearby, was the first to 0:08:34.920 --> 0:08:38.080 make the gruesome discovery. At seven forty nine am when 0:08:38.120 --> 0:08:59.680 she came to feed the dogs. The patriarch of the family, 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:04.080 Rodin was dead. He looked like he'd been beaten to death. 0:09:05.080 --> 0:09:08.800 Chris's cousin, Gary Rodin, who was staying with Chris, was 0:09:08.840 --> 0:09:15.839 also dead. Yeah, what's her saying? Chris Werenting, Harry right 0:09:15.960 --> 0:09:19.560 than Frank and Gary Roden? First times it look like 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:23.439 the dead dead, I think the great and the I 0:09:23.520 --> 0:09:26.720 phone has been to talk out of Okay, there anybody 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:30.160 else in the house. I don't know us. Okay, the 0:09:30.360 --> 0:09:33.599 door was awfull. We got here, but I hope I 0:09:34.400 --> 0:09:37.400 didn't hit her. Letting on the floor, Bobby and need 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:40.640 to get out of the house and way done, okayen stime, 0:09:40.800 --> 0:09:50.240 right now, Okay, just watch this. Thoe year old Christopher 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:52.880 Roden was the only one of the eight family members 0:09:52.880 --> 0:09:55.040 who was shot somewhere other than the head, and he 0:09:55.120 --> 0:09:59.239 had multiple gunshot wounds to the head. Torso and Extremities 0:10:00.760 --> 0:10:05.440 Coroner Distinguished Professor and criminal forensic expert Joseph Morgan tried 0:10:05.440 --> 0:10:08.200 to make sense of the Roden murders, starting with father 0:10:08.320 --> 0:10:11.880 and family patriarch, Chris Senior. Some of this will be 0:10:11.880 --> 0:10:15.120 hard to hear, particularly if you're personally connected to the tragedy, 0:10:15.280 --> 0:10:18.040 but it's important to understand the magnitude of what happened 0:10:18.080 --> 0:10:22.000 that night. He was shot nine times. Now, for me, 0:10:22.240 --> 0:10:24.760 as a forensic investigator, I would look at that and 0:10:24.760 --> 0:10:29.120 I would deem that as overkill, and you know, why 0:10:29.120 --> 0:10:33.480 would somebody need to be shot nine times? They're saying 0:10:33.480 --> 0:10:37.240 that there's evidence that he attempted or reacted at least 0:10:37.280 --> 0:10:41.120 to the point where he raised his arm his right 0:10:41.280 --> 0:10:45.040 form and it shattered one of the bones. When you've 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:48.679 got an individual that has gotten defensive loans, that person 0:10:48.760 --> 0:10:51.960 has an awareness, so that goes to a level of 0:10:52.040 --> 0:11:00.679 callousness that that's roses to victim. Gary D Chris Your's cousin, 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:03.800 was a beloved member of the family. By all accounts, 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:07.160 Gary and Chris Sr. Were very close. Gary just happened 0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:09.920 to be at Chris's home that night. He was actually 0:11:10.240 --> 0:11:13.720 from Kentucky, so you know, he didn't even live in 0:11:13.720 --> 0:11:16.400 the area or the neighborhood, but you know, lived close 0:11:16.480 --> 0:11:19.120 enough to where he was staying with Chris that evening. 0:11:20.400 --> 0:11:22.960 We do know that the shooter was very close to 0:11:23.000 --> 0:11:25.280 Gary when they fired, because they talked about what is 0:11:25.320 --> 0:11:27.719 referred to as a press contact bench at wanted and 0:11:27.800 --> 0:11:31.600 if our listeners will essentially take your index finger, okay, 0:11:31.679 --> 0:11:35.120 and point it toward the palm of your hand and 0:11:35.800 --> 0:11:40.160 extend the tip of your finger maybe I don't know, 0:11:40.280 --> 0:11:42.560 probably about half an inch away from the surface of 0:11:42.600 --> 0:11:45.960 your palm. That's kind of what we will refer to 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:49.280 as a contact moon. And what that means is that 0:11:49.360 --> 0:11:51.440 you're going to have, you know, the bullets not the 0:11:51.480 --> 0:11:53.760 only thing coming out of the end of the weapon. 0:11:54.120 --> 0:11:58.000 You're going to have the fire that actually the ignition 0:11:58.040 --> 0:12:00.719 of the bullet, and around you'll of this burning of 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:03.680 powder that's coming out. You'll have unburned powder that's coming out. 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:12.680 So this is a very intimate event. I spoke with 0:12:12.760 --> 0:12:16.400 my Gallen, criminal defense attorney from Ohio. Are you able 0:12:16.440 --> 0:12:20.520 to talk about the scenes themselves? You know, if you 0:12:20.600 --> 0:12:23.680 look at it and it's all from the autopsy reports, 0:12:24.360 --> 0:12:28.800 those kind of injuries leaves no doubt that this was 0:12:28.840 --> 0:12:32.840 an intentional or these all were intentional killings, kind of 0:12:33.120 --> 0:12:36.280 designed to send a message to someone. The muscle mark 0:12:36.440 --> 0:12:40.400 sticks in my mind. You have to be obviously arms reach. 0:12:40.600 --> 0:12:43.000 I mean, you are locking eyes with the victim, it 0:12:43.000 --> 0:12:45.880 would seem. Does that paint any kind of picture to 0:12:46.040 --> 0:12:50.920 or indicate to officers or attorneys anything, Sure it does, 0:12:51.000 --> 0:12:54.240 and maybe even closer than arm's length, I mean maybe 0:12:54.400 --> 0:12:58.240 just inches. It indicates to me at least, especially when 0:12:58.240 --> 0:13:01.240 you have the number of shots like that here that 0:13:01.559 --> 0:13:03.840 somebody was trying to send a message out. I don't 0:13:03.880 --> 0:13:06.400 think there can be any doubt about that. I mean, 0:13:06.440 --> 0:13:09.280 it was personal, and I think that's what that demonstrates. 0:13:14.880 --> 0:13:18.080 At this point, Bobby Josie's two people did by twelve 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:22.440 gunshot wounds. While waiting desperately for police to arrive, she 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:26.560 makes her way over to her nephew, Frankie's house. She 0:13:26.679 --> 0:13:28.480 wanted to get some help and to tell him what 0:13:28.559 --> 0:13:31.400 happened to his father and uncle, whose bodies she had 0:13:31.440 --> 0:13:36.360 just found. Frankie Rowden was Chris Senior and Dana's oldest son. 0:13:36.679 --> 0:13:38.840 The twenty year old was a father to two boys. 0:13:40.120 --> 0:13:44.800 Like his parents, Frankie was a hard worker. He loved fishing, hunting, 0:13:44.880 --> 0:13:47.880 and demolition Derby, but nothing so much as his family 0:13:48.160 --> 0:13:52.079 and his fiance, nineteen year old Hannah Gilly. Hannah Gilly 0:13:52.160 --> 0:13:54.160 was on the home coming court in high school, and 0:13:54.240 --> 0:13:56.480 at that time she told friends she planned to go 0:13:56.520 --> 0:13:59.520 to college, get a business degree, and open a daycare. 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:03.760 Frankie and Hannah wanted a lot of kids. They had 0:14:03.800 --> 0:14:07.840 a bright future. The young family lived together just up 0:14:07.840 --> 0:14:10.520 the street from Chris Sr. Also on Union Hill Road. 0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:16.280 They were looking forward to getting married soon. So after 0:14:16.360 --> 0:14:20.200 Bobby Joe made the call to nine one one, she 0:14:20.320 --> 0:14:24.960 went to Frankie's house near right nearby, and the person 0:14:24.960 --> 0:14:26.800 who came to the door was frankie three year old son. 0:14:26.840 --> 0:14:30.280 As the police reports and newspaper reports showed, he was, 0:14:30.480 --> 0:14:34.440 you know, covered in blood, and he, like any three 0:14:34.520 --> 0:14:37.280 year old, sort of didn't fully understand what was going on. 0:14:37.320 --> 0:14:40.200 And he told his aunt that, you know, his father 0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:44.680 was playing zombie in the bedroom, and that's because the 0:14:44.760 --> 0:14:47.800 family were fans of the Walking Dead, so you know, 0:14:48.640 --> 0:14:54.960 he was in there with his father playing zombie, which 0:14:55.040 --> 0:15:02.320 is absolutely heartbreaking. Twenty year old Frankie Rodin was shot 0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:05.800 three times in the head as he lay in bed 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:10.440 next to his fiance and they're six month old. We 0:15:10.600 --> 0:15:15.760 talked about Hannah Gillie Hayes shot five toms, she catches 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:18.960 one in the eye. It poses this idea, why are 0:15:19.000 --> 0:15:21.960 you shooting these people in the face. What's the purpose 0:15:22.000 --> 0:15:23.680 of it? Because not only shooting him in the face, 0:15:23.720 --> 0:15:27.280 you're shoot him multiple times. What threat did she post? 0:15:27.520 --> 0:15:35.760 She's laying there, was her child in the bed meanwhile, 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:38.600 and this is all happening around eight am on April 0:15:38.640 --> 0:15:43.160 twenty second, Bobby Joe calls their brother James. She's in hysterics. 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:48.920 There's now two murder scenes, four people dead, twenty gunshot wounds, 0:15:49.040 --> 0:15:58.160 two children left alive. At the scenes, James immediately goes 0:15:58.200 --> 0:16:00.400 over to his sister Dana's house to check on her 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:07.800 and the remaining kids. Danna Rudin was a nurse known 0:16:07.840 --> 0:16:11.000 for her gregarious nature and loving smile. She'd met Chris 0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:13.360 Rudden Senior when she was just in high school and 0:16:13.400 --> 0:16:16.960 it was love at first sight. Even though they divorced 0:16:16.960 --> 0:16:21.080 twenty two years later, they remained very close together. The 0:16:21.120 --> 0:16:25.200 pair had three beautiful children, twenty year old Frankie, Hannah May, 0:16:25.240 --> 0:16:30.000 and little Chris. She's goodhearted, a lot of fun, you know, 0:16:30.080 --> 0:16:34.360 always laughing, cracking up. She was a very very good person. 0:16:34.960 --> 0:16:38.280 She sent me a text she slaved my grand babies 0:16:38.360 --> 0:16:42.560 here and I said, well, congratulations, I said, she's beautiful. 0:16:42.600 --> 0:16:45.880 What did you What did Hannah May name her? She 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:49.840 said Kylie May and I said that's so pretty. And 0:16:49.960 --> 0:16:53.000 that was the last, you know, the last thing I 0:16:53.080 --> 0:16:57.760 ever heard from Dana. She again, like Chris Senior, was 0:16:57.840 --> 0:17:02.200 shot multiple times, and only was she shot multiple times, 0:17:02.240 --> 0:17:07.680 but specifically reports have her having been shot five times, 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:14.119 four times, four times in the head. Now, what in 0:17:14.160 --> 0:17:16.600 the hell would you shoot somebody four times in the head, 0:17:17.320 --> 0:17:22.960 because you know one should suffice. But the shooter took 0:17:23.000 --> 0:17:27.320 the time to take that muzzle of that weapon. Stick 0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:32.520 it beneath Dana's chin. Stick it beneath her chin. This 0:17:32.600 --> 0:17:37.159 is a common location for suicide, all right, This is 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:48.080 atypical for homicide. This particular April seemed extra special because 0:17:48.119 --> 0:17:50.680 Hannahme had just given birth to her second daughter five 0:17:50.720 --> 0:17:54.159 days prior. Just weeks before that, Dana threw Hannahme a 0:17:54.200 --> 0:17:57.080 big baby shower at their new house. The pictures from 0:17:57.080 --> 0:18:01.240 the showers show what a happy celebration it was. Sadly, James, 0:18:01.400 --> 0:18:05.080 Dana's brother, was about to enter yet one more unimaginable scene. 0:18:06.200 --> 0:18:08.760 Dana and her nineteen year old daughter, Hannah May were 0:18:08.760 --> 0:18:15.280 both dead. Hannah road and she was shot twice in 0:18:15.320 --> 0:18:20.040 the head as their newborn laid beside her. Maybe they're 0:18:20.040 --> 0:18:23.080 curled in a fetal posture along with her baby, just 0:18:23.200 --> 0:18:26.480 curled in a fetal posture. Mom was slowly stroking the 0:18:26.480 --> 0:18:29.800 head of the baby. Try to, you know, calm sue 0:18:29.840 --> 0:18:32.400 the baby. During the night, Maybe she awakes and breastfeeds 0:18:32.440 --> 0:18:34.439 the baby during the night while she's sleeping. It's a 0:18:34.480 --> 0:18:37.160 position and people have slept in for thousands and thousands 0:18:37.160 --> 0:18:41.440 of years. It's a position of comfort. You imagine you're 0:18:41.520 --> 0:18:44.000 laying there, You're there to protect your baby, and you're 0:18:44.000 --> 0:18:50.200 curled up on your side. There's an awareness. This brings 0:18:50.240 --> 0:18:52.560 us back to when Dana's son, the high school freshman, 0:18:52.640 --> 0:18:56.119 Chris Junior, was nowhere to be found. It took detectives 0:18:56.200 --> 0:18:59.600 several hours to locate him, but finally little Chris was 0:18:59.600 --> 0:19:02.639 found the home with his mother, Dana, and his sister Hannah. 0:19:02.640 --> 0:19:08.520 May sixteen year old Chris Junior was shot four tops, 0:19:09.160 --> 0:19:13.240 including twice in the top of his head. He was 0:19:13.280 --> 0:19:18.040 found wedged behind his bed, implying that he was trying 0:19:18.080 --> 0:19:26.000 to hide from the killer or killers. There's now seven 0:19:26.040 --> 0:19:30.760 people dead, thirty one gunshot wounds, and three children left alive. 0:19:30.800 --> 0:19:34.960 At the scenes, the once small and sleepy town became 0:19:35.000 --> 0:19:39.400 the epicenter for grizzly crime and the subsequent complex murder investigation. 0:19:40.520 --> 0:19:42.640 When it was all said and done, two families would 0:19:42.640 --> 0:19:44.680 be destroyed and the town would never be the same. 0:19:48.880 --> 0:19:55.200 For the quiet town, the scene was unreal. Nearly seven 0:19:55.240 --> 0:19:58.119 hours after the first bodies were found, at one twenty 0:19:58.160 --> 0:20:04.200 six pm on April twenty second, final fatal discovery. Yeah, 0:20:04.240 --> 0:20:06.960 I need to Deny has been out to post a 0:20:07.040 --> 0:20:12.520 seven nine nine left for Okay, uh, it's all that stuff. 0:20:12.520 --> 0:20:16.000 It's on the news. I just sound just sound. My 0:20:16.080 --> 0:20:24.760 cousin was again shot wing. Okay, very right, So okay, 0:20:25.320 --> 0:20:29.080 I'll be staying out by the very way. It don 0:20:29.080 --> 0:20:35.120 whole thing, Donald Dond whole thing. Sound. Yeah, I'm gonna says, 0:20:35.520 --> 0:20:43.520 what do you mean it's Rody can it's rod Yeah, Okay, 0:20:43.560 --> 0:20:47.000 care honey, out of the house. I'm I'm out of 0:20:47.040 --> 0:20:50.000 the house right now. I just went in Laura name 0:20:50.520 --> 0:20:54.320 and check Laura and a little to say he had 0:20:54.359 --> 0:20:56.600 again shot wing. Okay, sure we're gonna get that. You 0:20:56.680 --> 0:21:06.959 do down thirty okay, all right. A few miles down 0:21:07.119 --> 0:21:11.000 Union Hill Road was Chris Roden Senior's brother Kenneth. The 0:21:11.080 --> 0:21:13.600 forty four year old was shot once through his right eye. 0:21:16.760 --> 0:21:20.200 Kenneth's cousin, Donald Stone, went to check on Kenneth after 0:21:20.280 --> 0:21:23.400 hearing about the murders of their six other family members. 0:21:23.840 --> 0:21:27.240 He'd failed to hear from Kenneth that day. What does 0:21:27.280 --> 0:21:29.920 it say that they would take the time and put 0:21:29.960 --> 0:21:32.520 themselves in a position where they could be face to 0:21:32.600 --> 0:21:37.560 face with Kenneth. He was found covered with dollar bills 0:21:37.600 --> 0:21:42.320 that were strewing about his body. He just god, I mean, 0:21:42.320 --> 0:21:50.920 you can't, you can't make this up. By the time 0:21:50.920 --> 0:21:53.439 officials released the names of the eight victims piked In, 0:21:53.520 --> 0:21:56.439 residents were reeling. You know, they had snuck in in 0:21:56.520 --> 0:22:01.680 the night and committed this, these murders, and nobody had 0:22:01.760 --> 0:22:09.679 a clue about you know who or why, and that's 0:22:09.800 --> 0:22:16.600 really scary. We're going to take a break. I'm Carol Fisher, 0:22:16.760 --> 0:22:20.000 and I'm hosting a podcast called The Girlfriends. Back in 0:22:20.040 --> 0:22:23.040 the nineteen nineties in Las Vegas, a few of us 0:22:23.119 --> 0:22:28.160 dated the most eligible bachelor in town, Bob. He spoke 0:22:28.320 --> 0:22:34.320 several languages, he did medical missionary work, and he was Jewish. 0:22:34.680 --> 0:22:39.359 He was perfect on paper. But he wasn't. He really wasn't. 0:22:39.640 --> 0:22:44.000 He shouted into the point she went unconscious. Bob could 0:22:44.080 --> 0:22:47.920 lie about anything, but only takes the one time when 0:22:48.119 --> 0:22:52.159 somebody ends up dead. 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If listen 0:26:11.280 --> 0:26:15.200 to Bad Manners on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts or 0:26:15.240 --> 0:26:20.480 wherever you get your podcasts, We'll be back in a moment. 0:26:23.840 --> 0:26:28.520 There were rumors about who had done the crime everywhere online, 0:26:28.840 --> 0:26:32.360 in the coffee shops, amongst the police, I mean everyone 0:26:32.480 --> 0:26:34.560 was talking about who could have done it and why 0:26:34.600 --> 0:26:42.200 they would have done it. Investigators believed that the murders 0:26:42.200 --> 0:26:47.280 were clearly premeditated, but the killing spree was so staggering 0:26:47.320 --> 0:26:51.280 and merciless there were endless questions. One of the first 0:26:51.280 --> 0:26:55.120 things investigators studied where confrontations the roads had with locals 0:26:55.119 --> 0:26:59.200 in recent years. Could these conflicts have triggered of vendetta 0:26:59.240 --> 0:27:03.760 against the family. There was one concerning incident that had 0:27:03.760 --> 0:27:10.520 happened at a demolition derby. Based on what's been recorded 0:27:10.520 --> 0:27:12.640 in the court documents, I think it's fair to say 0:27:12.680 --> 0:27:16.320 that Frankie and Chris Junior, I mean definitely were hotheads. 0:27:16.920 --> 0:27:21.199