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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production

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Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio. Hello and welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Holly Fry and I'm Tracy B. Wilson. So a

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Speaker 1: while back, I got to participate in an online class

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Speaker 1: session with the National Constitution Center. Uh, they wanted me

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Speaker 1: to talk about White House history after we did our

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Speaker 1: two parter. And despite having been really really nervous about

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Speaker 1: it because as they were telling me, oh, students from

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Speaker 1: all over can be asking questions, I was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: but I had an amazing time. And that is all

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Speaker 1: because of today's guest, Curry Soutner. The instant I started

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Speaker 1: talking with Curry, I wanted to have her on the show.

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Speaker 1: Curry is the chief Learning officer at the National Constitution

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Speaker 1: Center in Philadelphia, and she's passionate about the fact that

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Speaker 1: the Constitution is for everyone. That's obvious when you hear

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Speaker 1: her talk about it. So let's jump right into our chat.

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Speaker 1: So I am against so incredibly delighted that I have

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Speaker 1: Curry Soutner with me here today. So first, since to me,

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Speaker 1: you're kind of the face of the National Constitution Center

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Speaker 1: because you're the person who I have talked with most.

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Speaker 1: There will you just tell us about what the NCC

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Speaker 1: is absolutely UM. So, first of all, it's a great

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Speaker 1: organization that teaches all about the United States Constitution. UM,

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Speaker 1: and I'm really happy to be on talking about it today.

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Speaker 1: The National Constitution Center is a museum in Philadelphia that

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Speaker 1: has amazing exhibits looking at the Constitution from before the

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Speaker 1: Constitution existed and was written in Philadelphia all the way

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Speaker 1: through to modern conversations in cases. So the idea behind

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Speaker 1: the museum that I love so much is that it's

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Speaker 1: all about we the people. So we love to talk

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Speaker 1: about the Constitution. We love to talk about like which

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Speaker 1: amendment is it? You know, what's the case law around this?

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Speaker 1: But what you really wrap around and what that museum

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Speaker 1: does so well is talk about all the people in

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Speaker 1: every way that ensured that that Constitution isn't just a

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Speaker 1: written document, but it's a practical document that works. And

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Speaker 1: so that's really what matters, is the story of the

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Speaker 1: people when the actions that they took, both good and bad,

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Speaker 1: to ensure the Constitution is the document we want it

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Speaker 1: to be. So that's my favorite part about the museum,

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Speaker 1: and we always think about it as it's the National

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Speaker 1: Constitution Center that tells the story of we the people,

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Speaker 1: and then how do you fit into that conversation, not

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Speaker 1: just by visiting, but by the actions that you do

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Speaker 1: with a constitution and in your life. I love that

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Speaker 1: so much. My my soapbox topic is always that, like

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Speaker 1: we are all part of history being made all the time.

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Speaker 1: You don't have to sit in a seat of government

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Speaker 1: history that will be important, uh years from now. So

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Speaker 1: that is so near and dear to my heart. How

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Speaker 1: long has the National Constitution sho Center been around? How

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Speaker 1: did it start? It's a great question, um, and it's

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Speaker 1: a really fascinating story. So you know, Constitution was signed

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Speaker 1: big birthday. It's written and signed in Philadelphia. We are

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Speaker 1: on the building itself is on the most historic square

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Speaker 1: mile in America. But teaching about the Constitution is something

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Speaker 1: happens in the building but also online. We're a little

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Speaker 1: different than most museums that we have a place, but

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Speaker 1: So it started off with this idea that there should

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Speaker 1: be a place, and there should be an organization that

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Speaker 1: teaches about the Constitution in a nonpartisan way. That first

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Speaker 1: idea was actually a hundred years after the Constitution was signed,

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Speaker 1: so it was eighteen eighty seven they got the idea.

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Speaker 1: There was a group in Congress that said, oh, it's

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Speaker 1: the entire year to get that written as a joint act,

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Speaker 1: so it's the um the Constitution Heritage Act. And so

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Speaker 1: want to come back and talk about some of your

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Speaker 1: But I first want to talk about how you fit

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Speaker 1: like rule number one in education you must like coffee,

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Speaker 1: Like that's rule number one. Like any educator is going

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Speaker 1: my new COVID crunches as well. Um So some ways

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Speaker 1: learning the Constitution. It's not just for the constitutional scholars,

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Speaker 1: And so how my job, I always think to myself,

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Speaker 1: It's really cool, it's really interesting. It's not always fun.

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Speaker 1: me to my next question, which is that you have

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Speaker 1: mentioned that this is the learning that you offer is

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Speaker 1: for all ages, and how you know you definitely try

434
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Speaker 1: to get kids involved in learning early on, but that

435
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:48,120
Speaker 1: you also have adult programs. How do you juggle kind

436
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:51,960
Speaker 1: of trying to figure out the best ways to make

437
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 1: that information accessible, digestible, easy to understand for all ages

438
00:23:56,600 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 1: because some of your sessions are basically all ages. Yeah,

439
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 1: and that's been like fascinating to watch how this COVID

440
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 1: and just online education is blowing up typical structures that

441
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 1: have been put in the place to segment people by age.

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00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 1: And if you think about it, like I always think

443
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 1: about it necessary and this is like my nerdy education

444
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 1: side coming out, but like schools are set up to

445
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 1: be Okay, you're in this age bracket, you're in this grade,

446
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 1: and you go through life that way, and then you

447
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 1: go into the real world and I don't work with

448
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:34,400
Speaker 1: anybody my age, like nobody's my exact age, Like that's

449
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,160
Speaker 1: the only time you ever get that kind of like segmentation.

450
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 1: So this is changing things. So we do we do host.

451
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Speaker 1: So one of the things we did is we said, like, okay,

452
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Speaker 1: we're going to designate certain times during the week for

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Speaker 1: certain not age levels, but content levels. So we say

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Speaker 1: it's a middle school program, you know, Mondays and Wednesday's

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Speaker 1: at twelve Eastern time. But I want to really like

456
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:04,920
Speaker 1: reiterate that it's it's a it's an entry level time.

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Speaker 1: So we do get a lot of middle schoolers, but

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Speaker 1: we also get adults. We get high schoolers because that's

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Speaker 1: the level they feel they want to be exposed to

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Speaker 1: at that time. And that's great. So knowing in your

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Speaker 1: head like kind of like what level middle school is,

462
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 1: you say, Okay, that one's for me at the Mondays

463
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Speaker 1: and Wednesdays at two o'clock Eastern time. That's the high

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Speaker 1: school level. High school college level. And again, the younger

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Speaker 1: kids that are really advanced are jumping in on that one,

466
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Speaker 1: and the adults that are like, I need to freshen up,

467
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 1: but you know, I know a little bit about this,

468
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 1: they're jumping in on that too. So the majority of

469
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Speaker 1: students are that age bracket. But it's really open. So

470
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,919
Speaker 1: we've been thinking, as an educational institution, how do we

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Speaker 1: change that terminology so it does isn't a barrier. I'm

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Speaker 1: not a middle school kid, so this I feel embarrassed

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Speaker 1: to go to a middle school level. I finally, adults,

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Speaker 1: especially you know, the active older adults, the seniors, they

475
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Speaker 1: don't care. They're like, I'll go to the third grade

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Speaker 1: one like they right care, but like you know, if

477
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Speaker 1: you're seventeen, that might not make you feel good. So

478
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 1: I want everybody to feel good. It's okay, It's like, okay,

479
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 1: let's do you know college level one, college level two,

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00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 1: like entry entry level, you know, advanced level. That's kind

481
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 1: of the way we talk about it. But we have

482
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Speaker 1: seen on the Friday session, So Friday at one and

483
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Speaker 1: they should never let me name anything just on like

484
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 1: a side funny no, because I just call it the

485
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 1: all in session and they're like thanks, I appreciated, but

486
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,120
Speaker 1: it literally was like that was what I was thinking. Okay,

487
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 1: it's Friday at one o'clock, have at it. I don't care.

488
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 1: Whoever wants to come can come. Let's see what we're doing.

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00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 1: That's been fascinating because we are getting all ages. So

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00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 1: we've seen a second grade group of brownies at the

491
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Speaker 1: same time that I had an eighty two year old

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00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 1: advanced judge and they're all in the same half an

493
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:58,360
Speaker 1: hour conversations. These are quick, these are fun. We try

494
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 1: to do lots of visuals just court younger learners and

495
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,880
Speaker 1: support the language, because sometimes the language can be a barrier.

496
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 1: So how can I, as an educator use imagery and

497
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 1: infographics so it makes you hear a new word, but

498
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,719
Speaker 1: now it's clicking because you just understand what it is

499
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 1: through the infographics. So all those tools of like good

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00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 1: teaching or applied Like what I usually say is like,

501
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 1: am I using universal design for learning? How can I

502
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: best accommodate all learners of all ages and all levels

503
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 1: in one session? And really think like little House on

504
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 1: the prairie. Okay, I've got now all the tech tools,

505
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 1: but I have all these different ages, so go um,

506
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: and I have found that because the students, especially my

507
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 1: younger students, they don't care, they'll ask anything they want,

508
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: it helps everybody. So I love the two ends of

509
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 1: the spectrum. So my third graders and my nine year

510
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 1: old are identical actually because they just don't care and

511
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 1: they'll ask anything they want. What they ask maybe different,

512
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 1: but the fact that they are like they're they're so

513
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: secure in who they are, they will ask like you

514
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: just used a word I don't know. Can you try again?

515
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 1: That was the statement from one of my third graders,

516
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 1: and I was like, Okay, I love you like I.

517
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: I wish everyone felt that free because so many of

518
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: us would never admit like I don't actually know what

519
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 1: she just said. Um, but that's the way you're gonna

520
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 1: learn the best. And because she asked that, there was

521
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 1: a whole group of people that now learned because she

522
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 1: was able to ask that, Cecilia, she was awesome and

523
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,360
Speaker 1: she was like, Bam, I'm going to ask this question.

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00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 1: I love it so much. You have talked a little

525
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: bit about the interactive Constitution that you have, but I

526
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 1: would love for you to talk a little bit more

527
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 1: about it because it really is an astonishing piece of

528
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: I want to say technology, but it's not even that

529
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: because it's technology, but it's also a scholarship and it's

530
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 1: you know, interactive. Cannot be overstated on this, Like you

531
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 1: literally can click through the Constitution and get you know,

532
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 1: little pop ups that will be explainers and it's visual

533
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 1: at the same time that it's a lot of text.

534
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 1: And you mentioned that you guys kind of just redid it. Um,

535
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: So if you would talk through kind of what guides

536
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 1: really how you present, like having those two scholars right

537
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 1: their thing to make sure it is easy to navigate

538
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 1: as well as easy to you know, get additional information

539
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 1: on something. It's such an amazing piece of work for

540
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 1: what is a living document. So it's kind of a

541
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: weird sort of it's almost like language immersion. You're in

542
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: the Constitution when you're using it, which I love. So yeah,

543
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: well you talk about kind of how that all became

544
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 1: the marvel that it is. Yeah, I a million in oerations, Um,

545
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 1: So what you know, I think working with great partners.

546
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 1: So we work with American Constitutional Society and the Federalist Society,

547
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: so they're really kind of ideologically very different, and so

548
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: we worked with them and said give us your best.

549
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: So what I learned very quickly on this project when

550
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 1: we first start it was that scholars are like doctors.

551
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 1: They're very uniquely focused in one area. So like you

552
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 1: don't go ask the pediatrists how to fix your heart valve,

553
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 1: like you go to the right doctor. That's how it

554
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 1: is for the scholars to you know, we have scholars

555
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 1: that we work with that our generalists, but they also

556
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 1: have an area of specialty. So to get that, to

557
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 1: get the two top organization saying here's our best scholar

558
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: on this gives you this level of credibility that you're

559
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 1: able to bring the best to the table. It was

560
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: so many lessons learned along the way, and like how

561
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: do we keep it short enough but still give enough

562
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 1: of the content that you feel sound on it. So

563
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: having that joint explainer was huge because that's where most

564
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: people start. And also how do we make sure we're

565
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 1: not walking people away from the Constitution's actual text but

566
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 1: bringing them closer Like these were all the goals that

567
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 1: we are trying to parse out and figure out as

568
00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: we went through and then asking these great amazing scholars, Okay,

569
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 1: we need this to be like for students as well,

570
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: can you write this at a high school reading level?

571
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 1: And then them coming back and saying absolutely, and then

572
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: reading the first essays and saying, oh my god, I

573
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: don't think they've ever met a high school kid before.

574
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 1: You're like, oh no, Like, I love that you thought

575
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 1: they'd know these words, So like going back and forth,

576
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 1: but then understanding that at some point this is their

577
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: names are signed onto this, so they have to give

578
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 1: you a high enough level but still make it accessible.

579
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 1: What a balance, And well, that's why we think it's

580
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 1: so successful because we've balanced that top scholars working with

581
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: great partners, the right people, and then balancing that kind

582
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: of in between between great scholarly work but accessible material,

583
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 1: and then laying it out in a way that is

584
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 1: so user friendly that you can, you know, jump into

585
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 1: one section and then go down a rabbit hole and

586
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: keep going in that one area and then see what

587
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 1: the point and counterpoint are on these discussions. But I

588
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: also love about the next version that we did about

589
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: a year ago, as we started layering in all these

590
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: other tools that help you again help you understand the words,

591
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: help you understand the Constitution, and also help you understand

592
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 1: that it's relevant that it's not just a document written

593
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: two hundred and so many years ago, that it is

594
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 1: happening this day, this year, last week. And so that's

595
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: what the explainers are great about. Two. It doesn't just

596
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: leave you in seven. It says they were talking about seven.

597
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 1: Guess what, we still haven't figured it out yet. Here's

598
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 1: the key and it kind of makes you feel Okay,

599
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 1: You're like, okay, good, we're still working on it. Um.

600
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: So we layered the videos, the town caused, the podcast

601
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: lesson plans, and all the classes on top of it.

602
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: So I kind of think, and this is where I'll

603
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 1: go to my Shrek reference. It's kind of like an

604
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: onion that we keep growing. Um. So Ogre's and the

605
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: Constitution are kind of like onions that they have many layers. Uh,

606
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 1: this is why I work with kids. I love it

607
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: though that I mean, that's a perfect way to think

608
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: about it. What has been the most surprising aspect of

609
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: this work for you? Like, I'm sure there's been something

610
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: where you're like, I did not ever see this coming,

611
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: Like every day it was like huh, um, I think

612
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think. So historically, the most surprising aspect

613
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 1: when like it's almost like when I first started and

614
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 1: now because I feel like I'm constantly new UM and

615
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 1: constantly learning. So when I first started UM, I think

616
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 1: the most surprising aspect that I had was the difference

617
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 1: between when people first come to us and when people

618
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: leave us. And it's still today the truth. People walk

619
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: in with this, you know, they're kind of like, h

620
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 1: it's an old, stuffy document, like all these things, and

621
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 1: they've got this concept that the Constitution is like I

622
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: should know it, Like this is almost like a guilt

623
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 1: associated with it, like I should know it, but it's

624
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: also like boring. And then within minutes I didn't know that.

625
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's fascinating. Tell me more. And so

626
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: when they leave us, they're like hooked and so they're

627
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: like absolutely like oh my god, I love this, and

628
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,439
Speaker 1: they're now like they're like they've drank the kool aid

629
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 1: there in the band there with us, and you're like,

630
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 1: so that was the first kind of like moment of

631
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: working in the museum that I saw that, and it

632
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,839
Speaker 1: was I'll tell you a real quick funny story. We

633
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,280
Speaker 1: were at an activity table in the middle of the lobby.

634
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 1: It's like my first few months there and we're doing

635
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 1: something with a group of kids and it's families and

636
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: everything is it's like a weekend, and this kid turns

637
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 1: around and he's probably like nine years old and he

638
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: looks at he looks at us, and he's like all

639
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 1: the staff, and he looks at his mom and goes,

640
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: m and you said this would be boring, And he's

641
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 1: like annoyed at his mother and she looks at the

642
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: staff and goes, no, we didn't know. I didn't. Like

643
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: it's like wait, like throw the shame. Nine year old

644
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: like I love it and I left and we left it.

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Speaker 1: We're like it's okay, and like, but that's what we

646
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Speaker 1: almost want to tell people, like come in, you're gonna

647
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Speaker 1: love it here. You're like you're gonna have so much fun.

648
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Speaker 1: And then the people who already love it feel like

649
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Speaker 1: they found them buddy, like they found like their home.

650
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Speaker 1: We have a T shirt for our teachers that we're

651
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Speaker 1: producing right now, and it says the Constitution Come nerd

652
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Speaker 1: out with us, because like we own that we love

653
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 1: it and we should all be constitutional nerds. Like that

654
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 1: is not a negative that we are. It is our document,

655
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Speaker 1: it is our power as we the people. And then

656
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Speaker 1: let's come nerd out together. And then the back says

657
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Speaker 1: we the people, Um, but no, it's kind of cool.

658
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Speaker 1: Thing is again just going back to the fact that

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Speaker 1: you know, we always make We always think about what

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Speaker 1: are we hand it, what are we doing, and how

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00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 1: do we make it more engaging, more fun, And so

662
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 1: COVID was a kind of like, Okay, we got lemons,

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Speaker 1: We're making lemon cello, we're making lemonade, We're making everything

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Speaker 1: with these lemons. And my favorite part of this is

665
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Speaker 1: learning how learners of all ages can come together talk

666
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Speaker 1: about a constitutional topic and learn from each other, so

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Speaker 1: that eight year olds are learning from third graders and

668
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Speaker 1: third graders are learning from eight year olds. And it's

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Speaker 1: not just about our scholars and our educators and our museum,

670
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Speaker 1: but that we can create place across the country for

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Speaker 1: people to come together and break down educational barriers and

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Speaker 1: knowledge barriers and feel a community and again like it's

673
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Speaker 1: your constitution, you found your home, you're here now, and

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Speaker 1: that we have this now different community in place, in

675
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Speaker 1: space and in time. That's really really cool and exciting.

676
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Speaker 1: It's so unique. I imagine that this being an election

677
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Speaker 1: year with a lot of debate going on on every street, corner,

678
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Speaker 1: dinner table, et cetera. That you guys have been really

679
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Speaker 1: really slammed. What has that been like for you, like,

680
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Speaker 1: just to manage probably all the queries about constitutionality of

681
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Speaker 1: various different things. It's awesome. So we have a running

682
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,959
Speaker 1: joke that the Constitution hasn't been this talked about since

683
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Speaker 1: se seven. So thank you, you know, thank you everything

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Speaker 1: that's going on. So because now people love it and

685
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Speaker 1: this is this is their hook, this is their inn,

686
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Speaker 1: and now they're with us, it's been great. The hardest

687
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Speaker 1: part for us is to make sure that we give

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Speaker 1: people time to understand all perspectives and all sides in

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Speaker 1: the Constitution and then we stay in the constitutional questions.

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Speaker 1: So sometimes people come to us with a political question

691
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Speaker 1: or very one sided and we want them to come

692
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Speaker 1: in and we want to lay out the constitution forum

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Speaker 1: and give them all the perspectives so then they can

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Speaker 1: go from there and say, Okay, now I get it.

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Speaker 1: I see all different parts. We're not asking people to

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Speaker 1: change their minds. We're just asking people to hear the

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Speaker 1: Constitution and hear the other perspectives that they may have

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Speaker 1: not heard before, or they might just want to understand

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Speaker 1: where is the other side coming from. So our job

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Speaker 1: is to really make sure that we're giving ability to

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Speaker 1: have civil dialogues, and we don't think they will be unemotional.

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Speaker 1: I am the most emotional person probably anybody will meet.

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Speaker 1: Let's mostly associated with super excitement, but it's still an

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Speaker 1: emotion and I want people to be jazzed about it.

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Speaker 1: I want people to be excited, but we also want

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Speaker 1: people to listen, and that's a really hard skill, especially

707
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Speaker 1: when your emotion is really high. So when we talk

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Speaker 1: about the Constitution, we look at it. I always say,

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Speaker 1: we look at it at the table. We put the

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Speaker 1: Constitution on the table in the center of all of

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Speaker 1: us and we talk about the Constitution and that removes

712
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Speaker 1: a little bit of the personal and pulls us back

713
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Speaker 1: a minute so we can talk about it together and

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Speaker 1: brings us together as a community. And then from there

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Speaker 1: we can decide what how do I want to see

716
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Speaker 1: and understand and where do I sit with these constitutional debates,

717
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Speaker 1: And that's on you, and that's your choice, and your

718
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,800
Speaker 1: that's great, have your perspective, but let's all come together

719
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Speaker 1: at first together looking at the Constitution as kind of

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Speaker 1: the tool that unifies and and connects us and we

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Speaker 1: need those connecting points. So that's been the I think

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Speaker 1: the struggle at times is people feel like they've lost

723
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Speaker 1: connecting points with each other. But we really want to

724
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Speaker 1: say the Constitution is that connected point and it it

725
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Speaker 1: may not be perfect, and we've we've had to change

726
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Speaker 1: it over time, but it's still something that we can

727
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Speaker 1: rally upon and say we have power to change. And

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Speaker 1: how do we find our power and how do we

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Speaker 1: find our power to protect as well? I love it? Okay,

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Speaker 1: for my last question, I've said I love it like

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Speaker 1: thirty two times in this interview. Um, But for my

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Speaker 1: last question, I would love to hear from you, like,

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Speaker 1: what the one thing is that you wish everybody knew

734
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Speaker 1: or understood about the Constitution that maybe isn't always top

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Speaker 1: of mind or something that they come to the table with.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to pick one. You can you can give

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Speaker 1: multiple answers. There's no problem there. So let me think

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Speaker 1: for a hot second. So there's so much to teach

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Speaker 1: about the Constitution, There's so many things to understand about it,

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Speaker 1: and we talk so much about the document. So we

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Speaker 1: we love to talk about the Constitution history and the

742
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Speaker 1: modern questions, like all those pieces are what we want

743
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Speaker 1: to talk about. In value, I would like people to

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Speaker 1: walk away knowing an understanding four branches of government. So

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Speaker 1: if we think about the Constitution, most time when you

746
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Speaker 1: think about government, you think three branches of government. There's

747
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Speaker 1: always those tests that come out every year about we

748
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Speaker 1: don't know each branch of government. It's not about memorizing things.

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Speaker 1: It's about understanding the goals and the responsibilities of each brand.

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Speaker 1: So when I say four, it also talks about you.

751
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 1: So you know, we want to talk to people about

752
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 1: Article one, and that's Congress. What's Congress, why was it

753
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: put together, how has it worked over time, and what's

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Speaker 1: its job responsibility? And then Article to the presidency and

755
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Speaker 1: the executive branch, same deal. Article three the courts, same deal.

756
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Speaker 1: We have to understand what their jobs are, how and

757
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 1: why they were set up the way they were, and

758
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Speaker 1: then how they have to work together or work in opposition.

759
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Speaker 1: And that's okay if they work in opposition at times.

760
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 1: The system was set up to be that way. But

761
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: what we forget sometimes is we forget to talk about

762
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Speaker 1: the fourth branch, and that's we, the people. We have

763
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Speaker 1: a responsibility to ensure that this Constitution works, that it

764
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Speaker 1: is not just a written document, but that it is

765
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Speaker 1: a document that has value and action as well. So

766
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Speaker 1: it's our job to say, hey, Congress, we need you

767
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Speaker 1: to do this, we need to not do this, we

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Speaker 1: needed to do this better presidency, same deal, courts, same deal.

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Speaker 1: There's that we the people aspect of popular sovereignty that

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Speaker 1: we sometimes forget to teach. So that gives us all

771
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Speaker 1: persons in America agency and responsibility. So we always talk

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Speaker 1: about what is the job, you know, what are the

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Speaker 1: what is the task given in the Constitution to that

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Speaker 1: part of the government, But what's the duty, like, what

775
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Speaker 1: is the duty of that? And so what is our

776
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 1: duty as citizens? And it's not just about saying what's wrong,

777
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 1: but it's also supporting and saying what's working. And so

778
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,280
Speaker 1: that's two really sides of the coin. And we can't

779
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 1: think of things in just everything is being wrong or great.

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Speaker 1: We have to really look at the whole spectrum of

781
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 1: these pieces. And we have a tendency in American history

782
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: to either make people heroes or make people villains, and

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00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 1: the reality of it is there's a lot of in between,

784
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: and we need to look at all of that. So

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Speaker 1: people think about the popular sovereignty aspect, think about we

786
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 1: the people, and let's go live in the gray because

787
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 1: most of our life is gray and we need to

788
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:10,760
Speaker 1: really parse out those pieces as well beautifully put uh, Curry,

789
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: where is the best place for people to go to

790
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:18,280
Speaker 1: find the National Constitution Center online and once this pandemic

791
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 1: is over in person, uh, and get their their myths

792
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 1: on that beautiful interactive constitution. So best place to go

793
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: is Constitution Center dot org. You can also google Interactive

794
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Speaker 1: constitution and find the National Constitution Center. It's it pops

795
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: up really quickly, which is great. But go to Constitution

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Speaker 1: Center dot org. If you're ever in Philadelphia, please visit

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Speaker 1: us on Independence Mall. We are on the most historic

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Speaker 1: square mile in America. So hey, you heard that Boston,

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Speaker 1: you heard that Colonel Williamsburg. Philly win. Just like if

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Speaker 1: we were in person, I you know, like we win.

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Speaker 1: We own it. So many great things about Philadelphia, but

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Speaker 1: this dork mile and we're on it. So constitutions and

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Speaker 1: er dot org. And remember of what we do at

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Speaker 1: the center is free. So we work really hard to

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Speaker 1: ensure that our materials have no barriers, and that sometimes

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Speaker 1: paid walls are huge barriers for people, so it's free,

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Speaker 1: join it, share it, follow us on Twitter, follow us

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00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 1: on Facebook. We'd love to see you guys there. Um

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00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:26,839
Speaker 1: and if you need anything education at Constitution Center dot org.

810
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: Educators are here to help and constitutions and our educators

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Speaker 1: love their jobs, so whatever you need, let us know.

812
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: So yes, you two can be talking to both second

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Speaker 1: graders and ninety year olds at the same time about

814
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Speaker 1: the Constitution. Curry, I cannot thank you enough. This has

815
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Speaker 1: been such a delightful way to spend this hour. Thank

816
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,439
Speaker 1: you so much. It's great to be here, and thank

817
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Speaker 1: you so much because your class and so just the

818
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Speaker 1: listeners know that you did a class with us and

819
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Speaker 1: it was on the Executive Branch, the Presidency and the

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Speaker 1: White House, and it's absolutely one of my favorite classes

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Speaker 1: because as I love the idea of talking about the Constitution,

822
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: talking about our history in America, and talking about police

823
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 1: because police matters and it's how we rally around our

824
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 1: identity of who we are. So thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for adding so much depth of knowledge to that class.

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Speaker 1: And I know our President Jeff Rosen his comment was

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Speaker 1: that was amazing. I'm going to hear more so, thank

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Speaker 1: you so much. I'm so glad. It was my absolute

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Speaker 1: pleasure and delight, and you made it super easy. I

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00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,359
Speaker 1: was very worried because I never think of myself as

831
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 1: an expert unreally anything historical. I'm very enthusiastic, but I

832
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 1: don't always retain things. So you made it super easy

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Speaker 1: and fun and like an absolute delight for me. So

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Speaker 1: thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. I have

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Speaker 1: a great one. This was so much fun YEA for

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Speaker 1: me as well. I am absolutely not exaggerating when I

837
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 1: say that every time I have an interaction with Curry,

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00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: it legitimately makes you want to study the Constitution. She

839
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 1: makes the fact that it's a liveing documents so apparent

840
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 1: that you just want to go engage with it. So

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Speaker 1: my deepest thanks to her for coming on the show.

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00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: I hope everyone else that listens feels the same way.

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Speaker 1: Once again, if you want to check out the work

844
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: that Curry and the National Constitution Center do, including that

845
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: interactive Constitution that they talked about, visit Constitution Center dot org.

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Speaker 1: Do you also have a little listener mail? I do?

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Speaker 1: I do. This is from our listener Laura, who writes

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Speaker 1: a Dear Holly and Tracy. I've been listening to you

849
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 1: for about three years, but I am a podcast nerd,

850
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Speaker 1: and I must start a new podcast from the first

851
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 1: episode and then binge as much as I can. I

852
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,879
Speaker 1: am now officially caught up. I listened in the car

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Speaker 1: at work, while cooking, etcetera. So sometimes ten hours a

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Speaker 1: day of listening. That's a lot. Uh. There have been

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Speaker 1: many times when I have wanted to write to say

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Speaker 1: well done or ask for clarification, but then remember that

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Speaker 1: I was so far behind that you might have thought

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Speaker 1: me crazy for asking questions that were from podcast years ago. Now,

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Speaker 1: all that I'm caught up, I feel I can finally

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Speaker 1: write you to say thank you. As an aside, I

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Speaker 1: appreciate that I would never think anyone was crazy for

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Speaker 1: asking about old episodes. But it gets harder and harder

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Speaker 1: the farther back you go for Tracy and I to

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Speaker 1: recall things, and they're from other hosts. I'm like, I

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Speaker 1: have no idea, yeah exactly. My daughter has recently graduated

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Speaker 1: with honors from a local university with a history major,

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Speaker 1: and it has been so nice to be able to

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Speaker 1: have things to discuss with her. I did not grow

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Speaker 1: up laking history but find that now that I am older,

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Speaker 1: I can't get enough of it. You have definitely been

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Speaker 1: part of that journey. I think my favorite part of

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Speaker 1: the podcasts are when you genuinely laugh at yourselves or

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Speaker 1: at circumstances. When I first started listening, I would hear

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Speaker 1: your voices announcing trips or other events, but you weren't

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Speaker 1: the voice yet of the podcast, so it was a

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Speaker 1: delight for me to finally catch up and put your

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Speaker 1: personalities with the voices. When I heard that you got

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Speaker 1: hate mail, I just about cried for you. You two

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Speaker 1: are delightful and make me smile on the daily. And Holly,

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Speaker 1: when you mentioned Coach McGurk a few episodes ago, I

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Speaker 1: nearly wanted to jump through the speaker and give you

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Speaker 1: a high five. But you know, COVID, not many of

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Speaker 1: my friends understand my obsession with that show. I feel

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Speaker 1: like we're kindred spirits about many things. As a Canadian,

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Speaker 1: I especially love when you do some of our history

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Speaker 1: and history from other parts of the world. The episodes

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Speaker 1: that have highlighted marginalized people have opened my eyes even

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Speaker 1: more than they were before, and I look forward to

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Speaker 1: learning more. Knowledge is power, and it is through said

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Speaker 1: knowledge that change can come anyway in this strange time.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad to hear you are both staying well. It's

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Speaker 1: almost comforting to know that the whole world is going

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Speaker 1: through the same thing at the same time. Thank you

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Speaker 1: both for all you do. I have no idea what

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Speaker 1: I'm going to do now that I don't have multiple

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Speaker 1: episodes to listen to every day. Laura, this is such

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Speaker 1: a lovely note one. Of course, anytime somebody's gonna shout

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Speaker 1: out coach McGurk, I want to read that letter for

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Speaker 1: those of you who don't know. That is from UH,

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Speaker 1: an older Lauren Bouchard series long before Bob's Burger's called

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Speaker 1: Home Movies, which is one of the most charming things

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Speaker 1: ever put on a television screen in my opinion. UM,

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Speaker 1: You're so incredibly sweet, and I really loved hearing all

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Speaker 1: of this, and I'm so excited that your your daughter

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Speaker 1: studies history. UM. I will be curious keep us updated

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Speaker 1: on what she does with that if she ends up

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Speaker 1: working in a history field, because I always love to

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Speaker 1: hear those. It seemed like a good match for this

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Speaker 1: episode where I talked to someone that works with history

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Speaker 1: every day. Although did not think that that was going

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Speaker 1: to be their life's path initially. So if you would

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Speaker 1: like to write to us and share the ways you

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Speaker 1: connect to history or anything else, you can do that

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Speaker 1: at History Podcast at i heeart radio dot com. You

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Speaker 1: can also find us on social media as Missed in History.

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Speaker 1: You can also subscribe to this podcast. That's easy as pie.

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Speaker 1: You can do it on the I heart radio app,

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Speaker 1: at Apple podcast or wherever it is you listen. Stuff

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Speaker 1: you Missed in History Class is a production of I

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Speaker 1: heart Radio. For more podcasts from I heart Radio, visit

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Speaker 1: the i heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you

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