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Speaker 3: Fellas, what's up?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 2: What's good on Wednesdays? I normally asked my co hold,
Speaker 2: so hanging with the boys, that's how? How is your
Speaker 2: mentals and your dentals day? I should always say, so
Speaker 2: we're good, you guys having a good, good day, good week?
Speaker 4: The game? Man, I'm doing good. I played my game
Speaker 4: Ghost of YETI so I'm excited right now.
Speaker 2: I deal what that is.
Speaker 3: I'm doing good man. The dental I'm up for I'm
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: You anybody ever had one?
Speaker 4: I did? Yes?
Speaker 3: Still, brother, Yeah, the metal was good. It was good, good, good,
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Speaker 4: What about you, brother?
Speaker 2: I'm good man. My dentals is good, my mentors is good.
Speaker 2: It's been a good week. I've enjoyed coming to kick
Speaker 2: it with you guys this week.
Speaker 3: I really have a little longer man already.
Speaker 5: Can't do that, can't I can't do that, That's the problem.
Speaker 2: No, But I do enjoy coming to kick with you
Speaker 2: guys because for one, for me, I get to I
Speaker 2: get to change seats, right, because on my show a
Speaker 2: lot of times I get to do the bulk of
Speaker 2: the talking and stuff like that. And then on this seat.
Speaker 2: I do like hosting at times. I do like being
Speaker 2: able to sit in this seat. It keeps my mind sharp.
Speaker 2: It makes me have to prepare extra because I have
Speaker 2: to make sure that I'm able to give out the
Speaker 2: things to you guys, right, and so like it always
Speaker 2: keeps my mind going. It keeps my mind sharp, It
Speaker 2: gives me and and like we all know, in sports,
Speaker 2: the more you can.
Speaker 3: Do show your value.
Speaker 2: More I can do. I always tell people listen anybody's replaceable,
Speaker 2: but it's gonna take four people to do what I do,
Speaker 2: so you MI will just keep the one it is
Speaker 2: instead of having to go get four.
Speaker 5: I'm trying to be like your you just got it.
Speaker 5: You know you don't give no secrets though he ain't
Speaker 5: giving out no layups.
Speaker 3: And he ain't giving out no secrets.
Speaker 4: What do he said? Devil's advocate backed me up now.
Speaker 4: He has been tutoring your boy backed me up now,
Speaker 4: So I.
Speaker 3: Me up a little bit.
Speaker 4: He gave me that look like you better tell me
Speaker 4: I'm I'm like, listen, I am.
Speaker 2: I am an advocate of helping out my people when
Speaker 2: I can all I can, because it does me no
Speaker 2: good to keep the information to myself. And as many
Speaker 2: I want to build a tree, I want to be.
Speaker 2: I want to be able to be like man, I
Speaker 2: got up here and I help so and so and
Speaker 2: so and so and so and so, because you never know.
Speaker 2: One day that person might be up here and I
Speaker 2: might be like, hey, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I tell you that you see the same people growing up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I want to make sure I'm good going
Speaker 2: up and I'm good coming down because somebody might like, yo,
Speaker 2: come on in here right quick.
Speaker 6: Ja.
Speaker 2: You were good to me four years ago when I
Speaker 2: was on my way up. So yeah, man, all right.
Speaker 2: Coach Shottenheimer spoke for the first time today as the
Speaker 2: Cowboys are starting to come back and do a little
Speaker 2: bit kind of you know, getting back to normalcy, right,
Speaker 2: And and I didn't hear it all, but I was
Speaker 2: talking to to Chris in the back a little bit.
Speaker 2: And you know, this has been on my mind for
Speaker 2: a couple of days now because coach Shoddy in his
Speaker 2: position head coach that already enteils. That's personnel. That's who's
Speaker 2: who's in the game, who's out the game, who's hurt,
Speaker 2: who's on the way back. You know, while earlier they
Speaker 2: were they were they were working out guys, right, So
Speaker 2: you know, are we bringing guys in and we bringing
Speaker 2: guys out with the rotation gonna look like offensively defensively,
Speaker 2: then I have to worry about being offensive coordinator right
Speaker 2: with game and I'm going to be putting in I'm
Speaker 2: watching the film on on the Raiders defense. And then
Speaker 2: now you know he's been kind of going across the
Speaker 2: hall a little bit to the defensive side, trying to
Speaker 2: get them back on track, giving an offensive perspective of
Speaker 2: how they shit better help run their game. And then
Speaker 2: you're dealt with this extremely extremely unique situation, terrible situation.
Speaker 2: And then now he has to kind of take the
Speaker 2: you know, he wears a visa. He got to take
Speaker 2: one visa off as head coach and now put the
Speaker 2: other visa on as almost like pseudo dad, right, counselor
Speaker 2: to sixty plus players and coaching staff.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: And so that that in itself looks like sounds like
Speaker 2: it'll wear you down Jamaican, right, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: Like it just it just truly it truly wears you down.
Speaker 2: And so you know, maybe kind of getting back into
Speaker 2: the routine of things, of meetings in practice, the thing
Speaker 2: that you're used to, right, the muscle memory of it
Speaker 2: all is probably crucial for him and for this football team.
Speaker 2: But nonetheless they take on the Vegas Raider saying, you know,
Speaker 2: just from a player's perspective, this is the player's lounge.
Speaker 2: You know, how how do you help your head coach?
Speaker 2: If you're a veteran guy in the locker room, how
Speaker 2: do you how do you help your coach? In this
Speaker 2: moment of saying coach, we got you over here, Like,
Speaker 2: you don't have to worry about this group. You don't
Speaker 2: have to worry about that group. Like, how do you
Speaker 2: go about that? If you're a veteran playing in the
Speaker 2: locker room, how do you go about helping coach Shotthamer
Speaker 2: in this moment?
Speaker 5: I mean, and just by what you said first of all,
Speaker 5: you know, if if you've got that relationship, and even
Speaker 5: if you don't, if you're that vet and you have
Speaker 5: that voice, you know, you go let him know, like,
Speaker 5: hey man, you know, like anything that I could do
Speaker 5: to ease some of this off you right now, and
Speaker 5: then don't even worry about We're going to be policing
Speaker 5: ourselves amongst ourselves in the locker room and on the field,
Speaker 5: because you know, just with everybody, just like you said,
Speaker 5: with all those different things he has to worry about
Speaker 5: right now, this doesn't fall on him that those words
Speaker 5: are there, and losing and losing Marshan and everything else
Speaker 5: like that. These guys want to go out there at
Speaker 5: the same time, and they want to heal from it too,
Speaker 5: and they want to try to try to keep moving
Speaker 5: things and keep moving things in the right direction. So
Speaker 5: that being said, the focus, of course, is going to
Speaker 5: be for the guys to come together and let him know, like, hey, coach,
Speaker 5: you know, we got it. We're gonna step up, we're
Speaker 5: gonna man up, we're gonna do everything that we can too,
Speaker 5: you know. And it's not just about lightning a load
Speaker 5: for him. It's just about lightning the load for everybody
Speaker 5: we know that, you know. And this goes on to
Speaker 5: say winning brings about an environment for all great things
Speaker 5: to happen, you know, and of course if you if
Speaker 5: you're able to go out there and to come off
Speaker 5: of this situation, off this bye week and off of
Speaker 5: this the struggling week that they've these two weeks that
Speaker 5: they've had and actually go out there and create a
Speaker 5: w get a win. I mean, that's gonna do a
Speaker 5: number of things for this building as far as with
Speaker 5: the record number one, but then just the morale that's
Speaker 5: going around and everything else like that, and to lift
Speaker 5: the spirits in the building. So you know, just just
Speaker 5: just being that vet and just letting him know. But
Speaker 5: a lot of times it just goes on without even
Speaker 5: having to be said. You know, action speak louder than words,
Speaker 5: so you know, just just letting them know you're there
Speaker 5: and just going out there and perform is going to
Speaker 5: be the biggest thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Man. As far as being that VET, I think
Speaker 4: about what you said, he taking one hat off. He's
Speaker 4: going from coach. But then what you said ad that
Speaker 4: title or figuratively speaking that hat is go from being
Speaker 4: a father figure for a lot of these guys that
Speaker 4: are young that are still into that. But not only
Speaker 4: being a father figure, you're going to be a brother
Speaker 4: to some of these guys. If you're a true VET
Speaker 4: and you've been around the league. I think about guys
Speaker 4: that are ten eleven years in Dak Prescott like, you
Speaker 4: might not see him as a father figure, but you
Speaker 4: might see him as that older big brother that you
Speaker 4: talk to. But regardless of what you see, the title
Speaker 4: doesn't change what the connection is, and it's family. When
Speaker 4: we go over there, we say it's us against the
Speaker 4: world and for us to come in there. Sometimes guess what,
Speaker 4: it's the head of the family and the dad that
Speaker 4: controls everything. But guess what, you got your mom over
Speaker 4: here doing this, brother over hear and your son. It's
Speaker 4: a job that goes this not just on him, he
Speaker 4: says the president, he leaves it, but also that leader
Speaker 4: needs help some time, and so you're gonna have your
Speaker 4: vets coming in there taking ownerships. You might see some
Speaker 4: people coming in here a couple hours earlier, thirty minutes earlier,
Speaker 4: a coach howes today, going, are you're good today? Cool?
Speaker 4: If you need me to help, that's where your good
Speaker 4: vet comes in and say he stumbles on the word
Speaker 4: or something like that. He might just suggest after the day,
Speaker 4: be like, this is gonna be their first real work day.
Speaker 4: If I'm not mistaken. Coming into the building right after
Speaker 4: the bye week they had the meetings on Monday, Tuesday
Speaker 4: was a break. Wednesday, they might do some running around. Well,
Speaker 4: now you're gonna have your good vets that come in
Speaker 4: there and say, hey, coach, energy is there. We're ready
Speaker 4: for the raiders. Or they're gonna say, hey, coach, locker
Speaker 4: room is not there, so how can we pick it up?
Speaker 4: And Shoddy being a good players coach coming in here
Speaker 4: galvanizing the troop, that's where he's gonna make the adjustment.
Speaker 4: So just like we say, the back end gotta help
Speaker 4: the front, the front and help the back well that
Speaker 4: goes from the top of ownership gotta help the coaches
Speaker 4: and the coaches got to help the players to the players,
Speaker 4: got to help the janitors, everybody that was in there,
Speaker 4: because you got to remember, this is a big thing
Speaker 4: that you're dealing with. Like these people, the people that
Speaker 4: cook for you every day, that's used to seeing you,
Speaker 4: my girl Ms Rachel over there. All these people are families,
Speaker 4: So it's not just the players. You have to do
Speaker 4: the whole environment. And so it's gonna take everybody.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right now they're back, they're schedul to get back
Speaker 2: on the practice field tomorrow. But you know, Koch Shatti
Speaker 2: said spoke today, you see guys kind of trickling in
Speaker 2: and out throughout the you know, the entire the entire day. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's again, very very unique situation, a very unique set
Speaker 2: of circumstances that that guys have to go into this
Speaker 2: week and figure out a way, right because you know,
Speaker 2: the norm is getting back and playing the game. It's
Speaker 2: the practices, the meetings, you know, minus your brother. But
Speaker 2: it is that that sometimes is the bubble in which
Speaker 2: you prefer to be in because it's so common to you.
Speaker 4: Yes, I mean.
Speaker 5: We're able to compartmentalize so many things as professional athletes
Speaker 5: because you have to be hyper focused, you know, but
Speaker 5: then at the same time be able to basically multitask
Speaker 5: a millions of different things, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So it's crazy.
Speaker 5: To sometimes to sit back and to think about, like,
Speaker 5: you know, in situations like this, let people know that
Speaker 5: we're just not athletes, we are actually human at the
Speaker 5: same time, and with the multitudes of things that we
Speaker 5: have to deal with on the field, from the play
Speaker 5: calling to schemes, to contracts to whatever the case may be, Like,
Speaker 5: you still got to live life, and life is happening regardless.
Speaker 2: Yeah it is, it is, and you got something.
Speaker 4: And as life has happened, the one thing, like how
Speaker 4: you said, we're so compartmentalized. Like I mentioned that, I
Speaker 4: went to the NFL Trust this past weekend and go
Speaker 4: do the brain and body thing. But when they talk
Speaker 4: to you, they say, man, we've been doing this for
Speaker 4: such a long time, some people five plus years, thinking
Speaker 4: about your ten year in college, four year, not to
Speaker 4: mention little league, you've been doing this over a decade.
Speaker 4: Your condition, Like we're creatures of habit and for you
Speaker 4: to go in there, what's the one thing we always
Speaker 4: hear in football? Next man up? And unfortunately it sounds
Speaker 4: really bad. But it's the best thing in this because
Speaker 4: you got to try to get back to normalcy as
Speaker 4: fast as you can. And so when they go into practice,
Speaker 4: when they go out there and work hard, that's going
Speaker 4: to feel normal. It's the after effects. It's when you
Speaker 4: get tired of practice and you come in there and
Speaker 4: that part of even though we're so focused and detail oriented,
Speaker 4: that part after that is going to be the hindrance.
Speaker 4: And so that's where you feel in your extra time.
Speaker 4: And so I wonder how it Shot is going to
Speaker 4: implement that him being around guys like Pete Carroll. When
Speaker 4: I experienced Pete Carroll, he was one of the best
Speaker 4: of attacking the player to he attacked the mindset can
Speaker 4: better the player. And with Shoddy being under that coaching tree,
Speaker 4: his dad being who he is, I'm really excited to
Speaker 4: see how he's going to gavilize this truth pressure bus
Speaker 4: pipes for McDonald's. So we'll see there it is all right.
Speaker 2: So what we'll do is, Chris, we'll take we'll take
Speaker 2: an early break right here, and then when we come back.
Speaker 2: I want to get into the game. I want to
Speaker 2: I want to talk about a little bit about Vegas.
Speaker 2: I want to talk a little bit about the Cowboys
Speaker 2: and for me, looking at the Vegas defense, right, how
Speaker 2: do you stop ninety eight? How do you stop Max Crosby?
Speaker 2: Everyone wanted them on this team, wanted him to be
Speaker 2: traded for he didn't get happened. Now you have to
Speaker 2: face him. I want to talk about the game plan
Speaker 2: you guys think the Cowboys should come up with to
Speaker 2: stop Max Crosby. This is the players lounge. Stay right
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Speaker 2: The Cowboys are set for another Monday night football game
Speaker 2: prime Time Baby Primetime. The Cowboys will play a couple
Speaker 2: of pubble Primetime games will include Thanksgiving in the next
Speaker 2: couple of weeks. And I'm lining up this this game again,
Speaker 2: we already talked about all the unique circuits that come
Speaker 2: along with what this week is and this Vegas football team.
Speaker 2: When you are to look at him and break them down,
Speaker 2: we always look at the record and see the record first,
Speaker 2: and you understand, like that's in the words of the
Speaker 2: great Bill Parcels, you are what your record.
Speaker 3: Says you are.
Speaker 2: And then you go when you watch a little bit
Speaker 2: of the film and you watch a little bit of
Speaker 2: tape and you go, okay, you know two and seven.
Speaker 2: But because there is a when you look at what
Speaker 2: they do defensively, they're not a bad they're bad defense
Speaker 2: than we have, like like right now, they're middle of
Speaker 2: the league and you know, a lot of people have
Speaker 2: asked for if the Cowboys can just get to the
Speaker 2: middle of the pack with that level of offense, then
Speaker 2: they will be significantly better. The problem is with the
Speaker 2: Raiders that you know, offensively, they didn't think that geno
Speaker 2: would be this geno, right, This geno wasn't what Pete
Speaker 2: Carolyn Company anticipated him coming over from Seattle. But the
Speaker 2: main catalyst on that d defense for the Vegas Raiders
Speaker 2: is one number ninety eight, Max Crosby. And so.
Speaker 4: He is.
Speaker 2: And you guys know this, right, I try to tell
Speaker 2: fans all the time, is they got iPads now, but
Speaker 2: when I was in the league, they had playbooks, right,
Speaker 2: And so you get your game plan playbook every single week,
Speaker 2: and when you open it up, if you're an offensive player,
Speaker 2: you open it up at the top of the first page.
Speaker 2: They had the guys that you had to worry about,
Speaker 2: I know, defense, same thing. You open yours up there
Speaker 2: three guys at the top. You were like, these are
Speaker 2: the guy that we gotta focus on and we gotta
Speaker 2: watch and we gonna game playing around these dudes. Well,
Speaker 2: for the Vegas Raiders, when when Shoddy in that offense
Speaker 2: walks into that meeting room, they're gonna open up their
Speaker 2: iPads and he's gonna get them the big screen and
Speaker 2: the first name that he's going to put up there
Speaker 2: in bold letters, and what a picture up there is
Speaker 2: going to be Max Crosby. You think about you talk about,
Speaker 2: you know, premiere pass rushers and this defensive edge rushers
Speaker 2: in general in the league. You think of Miles Garrett,
Speaker 2: you think of Michael Parsons, Max Crosby, t J. Watt, right, like,
Speaker 2: those are the names that you and then you can
Speaker 2: kind of argue about who else you want to put where,
Speaker 2: but those four names. And Max is always in that conversation,
Speaker 2: both in the run and in the past. He's talented,
Speaker 2: He as a motor, he's the leader, he's the heartbeat
Speaker 2: of that defensechise the franchise. So when you see the
Speaker 2: way that the Cowboys have been playing with their and
Speaker 2: he promamarily lines up on the defensive left side, offensive
Speaker 2: right side, and we know what that brings. That brings
Speaker 2: Terrence Steele or as coach, Schottenheimer and and and Connor
Speaker 2: Riley and company have said, we're gonna have some competition
Speaker 2: at the right tackle position. So that's either going to
Speaker 2: be Nate Thomas or it's gonna be Terrence Steele. How
Speaker 2: would you how would you propose that the Cowboys prepare
Speaker 2: and try to maintain a guy like Max Crosby.
Speaker 4: Man, it's hard to do that, but he said, he
Speaker 4: go get his But it's just about eliminating how much
Speaker 4: he gets his, which the best way with your pass
Speaker 4: rushers and guys like him or players of his caliber,
Speaker 4: running back chips, tight end guys to come over there
Speaker 4: playing in off tight end formation. The movement that you
Speaker 4: have on the play action pad. That's gonna slow him down.
Speaker 4: Having people motion across actually have him thinking, because not
Speaker 4: only is he the face of the defense, he does
Speaker 4: a lot of thinking. He's almost your general that's over
Speaker 4: there calling out the players before you get there. And
Speaker 4: for him, it's not that he's the talented or the
Speaker 4: most talented as far as having the best get off
Speaker 4: or having the a plethora move His best asset is
Speaker 4: his effort not being able to die. So when you
Speaker 4: say prepared this week, if I'm the coach, I'm going
Speaker 4: in there, I'm turning the noise up loud, and I'm
Speaker 4: gonna have them doing a lot of Harry up. I
Speaker 4: need you to get back on the ball. Try to
Speaker 4: make this guy tired, because he's not gonna get tired.
Speaker 4: And right now, that's the best way to help your
Speaker 4: offensive tackles right now is to have them cardio that
Speaker 4: cardio vascular in them ready to go.
Speaker 2: So and I'm gonna get to you in the second idea.
Speaker 2: I want to I want to stay here because you
Speaker 2: played along the defensive line and they lined up Max.
Speaker 2: Like I said, his primary spot is on the left
Speaker 2: side over the right tackle. But they line him up
Speaker 2: in the middle, line him up on the right side,
Speaker 2: they line him up, they line him up everywhere. They
Speaker 2: line him up all over that offensive line is in
Speaker 2: your experience, do you see line sliding his way, sliding
Speaker 2: the whole protection his way wherever he's lined that back
Speaker 2: because you know, you can't you can't really chip or
Speaker 2: double if he's lined up over over, you know, in
Speaker 2: the a gaps or something like that. So so like,
Speaker 2: what from a defensive perspective, how how will some offensive line?
Speaker 2: So how would the Cowboys offensive line do that when
Speaker 2: he moves around?
Speaker 4: If I was the offensive line the coach thinking on
Speaker 4: attacking this guy, you don't have to worry about two
Speaker 4: bookie INDs. So you don't have to worry about with
Speaker 4: this guy and him being the playmaker like that, You're
Speaker 4: going to see a lot of full man slides that way.
Speaker 4: You're gonna see a lot of run on the motion.
Speaker 4: You have Geno Smith back there. That's a mobile quarterback.
Speaker 4: So you're gonna kind of tell Gino, hey, you move away.
Speaker 4: I mean Dak, I'm sorry, I said Dak. Yes with Dak,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna sit there and have Dak moving on the
Speaker 4: run with the play action pass, having your emotions going
Speaker 4: over there to slow down and just get away from him.
Speaker 4: It's not like you have somebody at nose tackle that's
Speaker 4: dominant right here. That's a perennial pro bowler. It's just
Speaker 4: going right there for him. So that's going to be
Speaker 4: the difficulty. But also with that, you're eliminating yourself our
Speaker 4: tight end right now. He's bawling right now, and for
Speaker 4: us to use him in as a blocker, you're gonna
Speaker 4: call on George Pickens CD the running back. Y'all got
Speaker 4: to step up. There's gonna be more opportunity. So it's
Speaker 4: a double headed sword, but the best way to do
Speaker 4: it full slide with one guy on your d line
Speaker 4: versus having two or three guys.
Speaker 5: You know, I I being it. I never had to
Speaker 5: put my hand in dirt and pay that play that position.
Speaker 5: I definitely agree with Trey saying. But another thing that
Speaker 5: you got to do too as well. You got to
Speaker 5: give an offense a chance to strike him. So you
Speaker 5: got to run the ball, all right, and you know,
Speaker 5: and then the thing about you know, running the ball
Speaker 5: with him, of course, And why I say that, because
Speaker 5: of course, you know everybody at home. Offensive pass that
Speaker 5: is more so of a catch thing. Offense lineman stepping back,
Speaker 5: catching the blocks, trying to you know, keep away from
Speaker 5: the quarterback at the point where we're running the ball,
Speaker 5: the Cowboys running the ball, that offense lineman gets to
Speaker 5: come off the ball and like lay some leather on
Speaker 5: somebody across from him. So you definitely want to try
Speaker 5: to do that because of course that's going to wear
Speaker 5: and tear on him too as well. You get into
Speaker 5: some tricky situations, and that's one of the reasons I
Speaker 5: think that we haven't seen a lot of the young
Speaker 5: backs here because once you start trying to bring backs
Speaker 5: in to help with pass protection and things like that,
Speaker 5: it doesn't seem like, you know what. I can't speak
Speaker 5: for it myself, but you know your backs have to
Speaker 5: be good at pass protection where you're leaving them in
Speaker 5: all right, And just like you said, with Ferg balling
Speaker 5: the way that he's been balling, you don't want to
Speaker 5: keep him inside so much as just to help on it.
Speaker 5: Help trying to keep a cross away from getting to
Speaker 5: the quarterback. So the thing is to be, like I said,
Speaker 5: run get the ball out of Dax's hands. As fast
Speaker 5: as possible, you know, no more long routes to the materializing.
Speaker 5: It's going to take like five four seconds or whatever.
Speaker 5: Get that ball out in two seconds however many seconds
Speaker 5: you need to get it out and keep trying to
Speaker 5: move the ball like that. But like he said, that
Speaker 5: dude is a straight hustle guy. He got pass rush
Speaker 5: moves and everything else like that. But his will to
Speaker 5: win is one of his greatest assets. So you know,
Speaker 5: when you play against people like that, it's gonna be
Speaker 5: a long day.
Speaker 3: Regardless.
Speaker 2: When you talked about running the ball at Max Crosby
Speaker 2: and just running the ball in general. Stat to kind
Speaker 2: of go with that, the Cowboys are three to zero
Speaker 2: to one when Javonte Williams has one hundred yards from
Speaker 2: scrimmage in their own five when he doesn't. So I
Speaker 2: think that is also important and critical, you know, you
Speaker 2: know in it all now you know the you know
Speaker 2: when you when I went back and I was watching
Speaker 2: a little bit of the Broncos game that they played,
Speaker 2: and they they they fared well against the Broncos. They
Speaker 2: held the Bronco I think the ten points, two and
Speaker 2: twenty yards. You know, of offense, it's it's It's kind
Speaker 2: of a lot of teams have come and played the
Speaker 2: Cowboys and looked like world beaters, and then they go
Speaker 2: on to the next game after the Cowboys and it
Speaker 2: looked like they looked very, very very mundane and average. Right,
Speaker 2: But was that, well what we saw against Denver from
Speaker 2: this defense? Does that worry you a little bit when
Speaker 2: it comes up to the Cowboys office, because it's kind
Speaker 2: of been staggering the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 3: You know. I think of like, we're new, he's here.
Speaker 5: We always say certain styles make fights and everything else
Speaker 5: like that.
Speaker 3: That's the team.
Speaker 5: They played Chether twice a year every year. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 5: they're more than familiar with each other. So when it
Speaker 5: comes down to it, I think that that played into
Speaker 5: it a little bit at the same time.
Speaker 2: And their team is built like you normally you build
Speaker 2: your team guys in your.
Speaker 3: Division exactly right what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: So, so that that was that was definitely a benefit
Speaker 5: for the Raiders that night. I think that that was
Speaker 5: such a low scoring game. I can't remember what the
Speaker 5: score was, but I know, you know, and going into
Speaker 5: those games, you know, being yeah, you know, being a
Speaker 5: Raider too as well.
Speaker 3: Anytime you had those divisional.
Speaker 5: Games, it didn't matter what was going on, whether it
Speaker 5: was Denver, the Chiefs or whoever. Like, those games were
Speaker 5: just typically going to be some hard fock games, you know. So,
Speaker 5: But do I think that that's that that that's what
Speaker 5: we have to look for it from the question was
Speaker 5: from from the Raiders or the defense. Yeah, I think
Speaker 5: that that's that's that's part of their identity right now,
Speaker 5: you know, And that's that's been something that they've been
Speaker 5: trying to establish for the last few years there with
Speaker 5: the different changes in different head coaches and everything else
Speaker 5: like that, the defense can travel. They brought Devin White
Speaker 5: in as as a linebacker, and you know, one of
Speaker 5: one of one of my former teammates is actually the
Speaker 5: secondary coach out there too as well, and I know
Speaker 5: how he gets down and how he coaches. So that
Speaker 5: defense right now is trying to be, like I guess
Speaker 5: you could say, one of the saving graces of that
Speaker 5: team if they have one, because you said Gino is
Speaker 5: not the geno that we saw the past two years
Speaker 5: where he got there.
Speaker 2: Gino said, they wrote me off, but I didn't right
Speaker 2: back lost in the.
Speaker 4: Don't do that.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying this. You know, just Gino that's playing
Speaker 2: you know right about now, isn't isn't what people thought that,
Speaker 2: you know, it would be from the Cowboys. Like, let's
Speaker 2: just talk about the Cowboys offensive perspective a little bit here,
Speaker 2: because we talked about Max Crosby and stopping Max Crossby.
Speaker 2: You know, this offense has been a little bit, like
Speaker 2: I said, staggering in the last couple of weeks. It
Speaker 2: came out the gates against the Philadelphia Eagles in formidable,
Speaker 2: and then they took took off and even with the
Speaker 2: absence of CD Lamb, it's still was one of the
Speaker 2: best defenses in the entire football league. What are some
Speaker 2: of the things they have to do to get back
Speaker 2: to that? Was it opponent base? Was it just the
Speaker 2: ebb and flow of the season? What are something that
Speaker 2: they do to get back to that?
Speaker 3: Real quick before he jumps into it.
Speaker 5: I really think that what happened was with the loss
Speaker 5: of CD, the team had to figure out what they
Speaker 5: were going to do, right. They didn't know that George
Speaker 5: was going to ball out like that, so the balance
Speaker 5: seemed like that was gonna be the most the best
Speaker 5: thing we could do, and let's make sure we got
Speaker 5: some balance. George comes out here and likes this thing
Speaker 5: on fire. The next thing, you know, it was like, okay, well,
Speaker 5: you know, we got to get CD back into it
Speaker 5: too as well. And I don't know if it was
Speaker 5: that to change the balance of what the play call
Speaker 5: has been, but just like you said, like they've gotten
Speaker 5: away from the run, like in such a large amount
Speaker 5: that they were doing before, and now I just think
Speaker 5: that like they honestly got to try to figure out, Okay,
Speaker 5: George can play, CD can play, but we got to
Speaker 5: get back to some true balance here.
Speaker 3: And I'm sorry, I just oh, no, you good.
Speaker 4: I mean, honestly, those are my safe sentiments as far
Speaker 4: as not necessarily getting back to it, but trust in yourself,
Speaker 4: Like stop playing down when they go out there. We've
Speaker 4: seen this offense be the best majority of the time,
Speaker 4: but we've also seen them play down to their competition,
Speaker 4: regardless of what that is. And so I would just say,
Speaker 4: get back to playing football, get back to having fun,
Speaker 4: Get CD out there doing celebrations with George, get Javonte
Speaker 4: getting his touches, moving the ball, running over there, Get
Speaker 4: that offense a line ain't too feeling confident like they're
Speaker 4: going to get against one guy right now, and just
Speaker 4: really trust your football, trust the schematics, and use that pressure.
Speaker 4: But the biggest thing right now is you have to
Speaker 4: get back to knowing your true identity. Because as much
Speaker 4: as we talk about Mass Crosby, we're not talking about
Speaker 4: this guy right here. Patrick Graham, the defensive coordinator that
Speaker 4: has a lot of respect around there, that was over
Speaker 4: there at the Giants for many years and seeing guys
Speaker 4: like Dak Prescott, a young CD Lamb. So he has
Speaker 4: some familiarity over here, and he's a good defensive coordinator
Speaker 4: that can make these adjustments, and so he's gonna want
Speaker 4: to use that. He's gonna want to use the momentum
Speaker 4: that he has right now coming and playing a good defense.
Speaker 4: Pete Carroll being the defensive dominant head coach, me being
Speaker 4: around him, I know him the way that he's going
Speaker 4: to go in there and talk to them. He's going
Speaker 4: to say, hey, gud, forget what the record says, go
Speaker 4: in here and look what we just did this last week.
Speaker 4: He's going to show them their highlight table, make them
Speaker 4: believe in it and eat it and say, hey, defense,
Speaker 4: y'all are the backbone right now. So the Cowboys should
Speaker 4: be worried about this game, and this can be one
Speaker 4: of those trap games that makes me a little nervous
Speaker 4: right now.
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Speaker 2: when you're rich, you did do rich stuff. I got
Speaker 2: Demontree Moore, I got Anthony dor sat And so I
Speaker 2: told you, guys, there's been this this smoldering and it's
Speaker 2: not caught fire yet, but it's smoldering, okay. And you
Speaker 2: made a comment ad and it literally jumped like right
Speaker 2: to the forefront of my thinking. And so I'm like,
Speaker 2: you know what, what the hell, let's get that messy.
Speaker 2: Let's get a little messy. And the comment that you
Speaker 2: made was that when Ceedee Lamb went out with the injury,
Speaker 2: with the ankle injury that he had against that he
Speaker 2: got against the Bears, and he missed those three or
Speaker 2: four games. You know, George Pickts really ascended and really
Speaker 2: took off and was the focal point of this passing offense.
Speaker 2: And some may say that when Ceedee Lamb came back,
Speaker 2: that balance or that cohesion or that chemistry was kind
Speaker 2: of not what it was before the injury, and that
Speaker 2: it may felt like they were kind of, you know,
Speaker 2: forcing the ball there. And some people, not Jesse Holly,
Speaker 2: but some people have been saying, you know, we need
Speaker 2: to focus and make the offensive passing game focused around
Speaker 2: George Piketts, not CD Lamb. And so here's something. Here
Speaker 2: are some of the numbers. Pickens has a higher catch
Speaker 2: percentage yards per catch, His yards per game UH per
Speaker 2: game average is more than Lamb. He's also has six
Speaker 2: touchdowns to Lamb's touchdown. He has a higher PFF grade.
Speaker 2: Uh So, my messy Jesse question to you, a d
Speaker 2: to you, Demontrey, should George Pickens become Dak Prescott's new
Speaker 2: go to receiver?
Speaker 5: You know, I think that what GP had a favorable
Speaker 5: advantage of and don't and don't cancel out what he's done.
Speaker 3: Over previous years.
Speaker 5: But he was not that go to guy, and so
Speaker 5: going into a lot of those games, he was not
Speaker 5: viewed as a CD Lamb.
Speaker 3: Type receiver prior to those games.
Speaker 5: Okay, so he wasn't he We don't got to double
Speaker 5: that dude all the time.
Speaker 4: We don't.
Speaker 5: We don't necessarily got here do a whole lot. We
Speaker 5: don't need to worry so much about him right now.
Speaker 5: Second game into that that injury with CD, I think
Speaker 5: that's where people started to take notice and say, Okay, well,
Speaker 5: you know, maybe he is that number one guy. You know,
Speaker 5: this league is such a what have you done lately
Speaker 5: for me? League that people will tend to forget you know,
Speaker 5: exactly who you are and what you're cable of doing.
Speaker 5: Long story short to answer the question is should he be?
Speaker 5: I think there are games where he definitely should be,
Speaker 5: and CD should definitely be. From time to time, when
Speaker 5: you have such a two headed monster like that, I
Speaker 5: think that you could switch it up and attack him
Speaker 5: from all different angles.
Speaker 3: And it doesn't necessarily have to be wrong.
Speaker 5: Or right who that guy is on that particular day,
Speaker 5: just as long as somebody is that guy all right
Speaker 5: and not going to a place where you can't figure
Speaker 5: out how to make one guy or the other the
Speaker 5: guy that neither one of them actually get to go
Speaker 5: out there and have prolific type numbers that they can have.
Speaker 5: So do I think he should be the main go
Speaker 5: to guy? I think that it should be game planned.
Speaker 5: I think it should be schemed. But I think that yeah,
Speaker 5: he definitely should have that option or that benefit every
Speaker 5: once in a while. Why why why continue for a
Speaker 5: gamesmanship as we'd like to say, continue to make CD
Speaker 5: the primary dude every game, all game, you know what
Speaker 5: I mean? So, like, I think it would give the
Speaker 5: Cowboys a little bit of competitive advantage to be able
Speaker 5: to use them both but trick teams and not know
Speaker 5: which guy is gonna be able to do it.
Speaker 3: But you got two number one? So why not use
Speaker 3: two number one? As we can't?
Speaker 2: Coach Schottenheimer has said when they were asking about not
Speaker 2: this week, but a couple of weeks ago, maybe even
Speaker 2: at the training camp, and they were talking about the
Speaker 2: addition of George Pickers and how he and Cedee Lamb
Speaker 2: are working on the offensing, Coach Shottenheimer's you know, he said,
Speaker 2: cause the question was about how do you disperse the
Speaker 2: ball monks all of these weapons that you now have.
Speaker 2: You have Ferd, you have CD, you have George, you
Speaker 2: got Javonte, you have you know, a pluthoro of weapons
Speaker 2: that you have into this mix. And Coach Schottenheimer he
Speaker 2: said that you know. He said, I gotta, I gotta.
Speaker 2: I got a big on sheet. His has got rings
Speaker 2: on it. So they like they flip. They got flipped,
Speaker 2: they flip over. And he was like, well, I got
Speaker 2: I got a section that's for CD. And he said
Speaker 2: that section has more plays on it. And he said,
Speaker 2: I got a section for George Pickens. Now he has
Speaker 2: a lot of players on there, but he doesn't have
Speaker 2: more plays on there than Ceedee Lamb, and so on
Speaker 2: and so forth, and and and so I say to
Speaker 2: to what you said.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: Jamar Chase in Cincinnati, they get him the ball and Tie.
Speaker 3: Higgins is good.
Speaker 2: Pee Higgins is perfectly fine, could probably be a number
Speaker 2: one receiver if he wasn't flanked across that guy. And
Speaker 2: for as long as I've been doing this, and Ceedee
Speaker 2: Lamb has been the league, especially over the last couple
Speaker 2: of years, he's been grouped in with those guys. He's
Speaker 2: been grouped in with the Ceedee Lamb, Jamar Chase. Justin Jefferson,
Speaker 2: when Tyreek Hill was Tyreek Hill, you could say I'm
Speaker 2: a Rod Saint Brown like Ceedee Lamb's name has always
Speaker 2: been in that conversation. Never has George Pickens never, never, ever, ever.
Speaker 5: I will say this, all right, CD, has he proved
Speaker 5: me wrong? Okay, because as we always say, well not always,
Speaker 5: but as we've said in here before, Cowboys talent is
Speaker 5: always a little bit overrated from time to time.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 5: And so that being said, like I didn't I didn't
Speaker 5: see CD being what he is today, all right now.
Speaker 5: The only argument I can make for George before he
Speaker 5: got here, he didn't have Dak Prescott. He didn't have
Speaker 5: a scheme like this, He didn't have He just wasn't
Speaker 5: on the right team.
Speaker 3: And he wasn't getting.
Speaker 2: To use one of your words, your phrase is my
Speaker 2: devil's advocate to that is ceedee Lamb has seventeen hundred
Speaker 2: yards over one hundred and thirty five catches, and he
Speaker 2: ain't had no George Picks across from him. So he
Speaker 2: had and it was we jokingly said here, it was
Speaker 2: CD in a bunch of babies. So he was getting
Speaker 2: the double teams, he was getting the safety shed you know,
Speaker 2: shedding to his side.
Speaker 5: Of this had justin Fields throwing him the ball, and
Speaker 5: like Mason Rudolph or somebody like that.
Speaker 2: That's a fair argument. It's a fair argument it's a
Speaker 2: fair it's a fair argument. And so I come to you, Trey.
Speaker 2: I've presented the question. We've heard one side of it.
Speaker 2: You heard my side of it.
Speaker 4: I mean I heard your side. So what do you saying.
Speaker 2: You're saying no, I've been saying I've been saying this
Speaker 2: since day one. To me, this is just Jesse Holly,
Speaker 2: this is not this is I'm looking the camera. This
Speaker 2: is my opinions did not reflect Newie scrugs buried Church
Speaker 2: to Montree Moore, Anthony Dorr said, my opinions reflect me,
Speaker 2: and I stand on them. They don't have two number
Speaker 2: ones here. They got one, and they got a really,
Speaker 2: really really good number two. Ceedee Lamb is the number one.
Speaker 2: Ceedee Lamb has shown you time and time and Ceedee
Speaker 2: Lamb was still out there last year with one arm,
Speaker 2: with a backup quarterback, when he could have easily shut
Speaker 2: it down when it wasn't playoffs, wasn't even nowhere near
Speaker 2: in sight, and he went out there weekend and week out,
Speaker 2: what with jay O Tober on the other side, and
Speaker 2: and and and and Jake Ferk wasn't on this team.
Speaker 2: It was hurt and I don't.
Speaker 5: Know, people shut it down, bro, Like I hear you
Speaker 5: say that, like you could have shut it down.
Speaker 4: They shut it.
Speaker 2: People, people, people shut it down.
Speaker 5: But but those aren't the football players that we talked about.
Speaker 4: But it actually is though. It actually a lot of
Speaker 4: a lot of guys shut it down. You've seen You've
Speaker 4: seen Tyreek Hills.
Speaker 2: And he and he went out there. He went out
Speaker 2: there and put up some more good numbers with the
Speaker 2: backup quarterback and old opposite receiver. The season was pretty
Speaker 2: much cooked, and he just went out there and went
Speaker 2: to work every single day. So I've been saying this,
Speaker 2: I stand on this, and this is this is I
Speaker 2: had a lawful from this. I ain't rolled the fits
Speaker 2: about this since training camp. I think George is an
Speaker 2: exceptional player.
Speaker 3: I think CD is good. Let me shut up, go ahead,
Speaker 3: go ahead.
Speaker 2: I forget said I think I think George is an
Speaker 2: exceptional player. I think he has a Niam Lilson, whatever
Speaker 2: his name is. He has a particular set of skills
Speaker 2: that is really good at Liam Nilsen Ceedee Lamb is
Speaker 2: the better overall receiver. To me, I'll give it to you.
Speaker 4: I know I'm just a defensive guy and this and that.
Speaker 4: But like you said, you mentioned earlier. What have you
Speaker 4: done for me lately? Is the league? It's been the
Speaker 4: league since the league has started. You're only good as
Speaker 4: your last rep and your last rep. Hear me out
Speaker 4: of America, I stand on mine. You can go look
Speaker 4: up the film. Chris Bean can talk about it in
Speaker 4: the back. But how many times have I been laying
Speaker 4: it up, asking questions weekend in week out? When do
Speaker 4: we give this to George? And I say that to
Speaker 4: say that George right now is the number one. He
Speaker 4: has the hot head. Just like in basketball, you don't
Speaker 4: get off of the shooters and right now the guy. Yes,
Speaker 4: you pay CD to do all this, but if you're
Speaker 4: truly believing what you said and what you forced fed
Speaker 4: to the media saying this is a one A and
Speaker 4: the one not you but CD. This just came out
Speaker 4: of CD's mouth. This has came out of shot his mouth.
Speaker 4: This just came out of everybody's mouth. But George, George
Speaker 4: did nothing but coming here, be quiet, work and putting
Speaker 4: the extra effort to say, hey, I'm gonna show y'all
Speaker 4: what I am. And now that he has a quarterback,
Speaker 4: he's doing all those things. And when I look at
Speaker 4: George right now, where he's going with his momentum. He
Speaker 4: gives me a young Mike Evans. He's going out there.
Speaker 4: He's the guy that's the era up there. He's bringing
Speaker 4: the energy. He's going out there blocking people and telling
Speaker 4: people six seven like I'm catching a body while doing that.
Speaker 4: Like with CD, yes he can catch. Yes, he can
Speaker 4: run every route on the tree and you can move
Speaker 4: him around. But guess what, you score a touchdown. George
Speaker 4: is doing that by far. He's blocking by far, and
Speaker 4: he's the energizer. Why would you say, hey man, let
Speaker 4: me diminish this because this guy has the big name contract.
Speaker 4: Let me diminish this because we're force feeding CD to
Speaker 4: be in those conversations. Right now, go with the hot hand.
Speaker 4: Get you what was doing because guess what, when George
Speaker 4: was your number one, the offense was doing good. When
Speaker 4: CD came back and George was still quote unquote getting
Speaker 4: fed those numbers and doing that, CD was doing better.
Speaker 4: So right now, lead, go with your leading horse.
Speaker 5: You've had you've had an opportunity to watch CD work
Speaker 5: for since he's been here.
Speaker 3: And like right here on the field, you ain't had
Speaker 3: that with George.
Speaker 5: You haven't seen it, so like, and then what you
Speaker 5: what you've seen is you've seen the different opportunities that
Speaker 5: CD has got.
Speaker 3: Because you're right here.
Speaker 5: You haven't seen the playbook, the play calls, or anything
Speaker 5: like that that George has had or the opportunities that
Speaker 5: he's had. So I think that what honestly has to happen.
Speaker 5: And I think that you know, like how you said
Speaker 5: America's standing over, I think you're a little bit judgmental
Speaker 5: right now, based off of what you've been able to
Speaker 5: see of one and that of the other.
Speaker 3: You got a whole book of one, but.
Speaker 2: I've watched both. Watch what I watched both.
Speaker 4: Of them not the same.
Speaker 5: You ain't had the day in and day out of George.
Speaker 5: You've had him for since training camp, right all right?
Speaker 5: And so then George being George, are understanding like I'm
Speaker 5: in a new situation this, I'm not the man here,
Speaker 5: so I'm sure like he didn't come in with that
Speaker 5: type of attitude.
Speaker 2: Now I could watch and tell who's the better rout runner.
Speaker 3: Oh, but yeah, that's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 5: I'm talking about you can run the routs all day,
Speaker 5: but about catching the ball and getting open.
Speaker 3: And like, I don't care.
Speaker 5: I see dudes running routes all day, obstacle courses, these dudes, and.
Speaker 3: I know them routes ain't getting open.
Speaker 5: Now when it comes down to it, the contested catches
Speaker 5: and what George has been able to do since he's
Speaker 5: been here, he's played like a number one, just like
Speaker 5: he's you know what I mean, And so that that
Speaker 5: goes on saying. And I'm gonna say this, and i'ma
Speaker 5: stand on this. See these numbers or ce these numbers.
Speaker 5: He got some awesome numbers. But he's not a Jamar Chase.
Speaker 3: He's not. He's just not and and and Jamar.
Speaker 5: Chase is totally different than me when it comes to
Speaker 5: a lot of receivers, you know.
Speaker 3: But he got those numbers and he's right up there
Speaker 3: with him.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 5: Now, I'm looking at give give George Pickings the opportunity
Speaker 5: minus the CD lamb here, all right and put CD
Speaker 5: in Pittsburgh, and let's see what they actually let's compare that,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, And let's let's honestly, let's
Speaker 5: let's give George the opportunity to have the opportunities and
Speaker 5: CD has had because he hasn't had him since he's
Speaker 5: been here or anywhere else.
Speaker 4: Can we take it a step further to I guess
Speaker 4: help your case. I agree with what he's saying. But
Speaker 4: what is the big thing that everybody go do right
Speaker 4: now to check your credibility and how good you are?
Speaker 4: Pff pff goes be not you. But I'm saying most people,
Speaker 4: when you make these lists and talk about these top receivers,
Speaker 4: you go and with PF the way that you judged
Speaker 4: America with the PFF, y'all should know you go for
Speaker 4: your production to play ratio. If you're looking at that
Speaker 4: ratio and what CD has gotten over his overall body
Speaker 4: at work. And like you said, ad from what we've
Speaker 4: seen in this little bit of George in this year,
Speaker 4: like it's all been good, like the I feel like
Speaker 4: the potential and the ceiling is a lot higher because
Speaker 4: we haven't seen all this. This is his first year
Speaker 4: in the offense. This is the first year with a
Speaker 4: good quote unquote top five quarterback in the league. So
Speaker 4: I think the ceiling is higher for him to where
Speaker 4: it's like you said, I've seen CD already for these
Speaker 4: Plethorabia is here with dak with the backups and in
Speaker 4: the Dallas environment. Let me let me fan that fire
Speaker 4: right there. You got Amber, you got the smolder going
Speaker 4: over there with George. Why not see what you really have?
Speaker 4: So at the end of the year when it comes
Speaker 4: that time, are you gonna tag him? Are you really
Speaker 4: gonna pay him like a number one? Or is it
Speaker 4: going to be a Jamar Chase and the T Higgins
Speaker 4: type situation? You don't know right now? Mmm.
Speaker 3: Man, I just say I hear numbers lying. You know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, you feel like, and numbers don't lie.
Speaker 3: And CD is very versatile line up.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I want to interrupt you.
Speaker 3: CD very versative line up everywhere.
Speaker 5: But George is putting up them numbers from just being
Speaker 5: able to line up outside.
Speaker 4: You said, you said numbers don't lie. Well, if numbers
Speaker 4: don't lie, he had, you're not gonna make your number
Speaker 4: one guy that's leading the team in touchdowns and having
Speaker 4: the momentum and stuff like that. If numbers don't lie,
Speaker 4: that is that he's clearly the number one right now.
Speaker 2: Because the other number is for there's how many games
Speaker 2: that CD Lamb is missed because he.
Speaker 4: Got hurt like you availability is.
Speaker 2: But like like it's not like he was doing this
Speaker 2: and CD language is over there not doing anything.
Speaker 3: Hey, so who the George have opposite him?
Speaker 5: When CD wasn't When when CD wasn't there because you said,
Speaker 5: you know, CD whatever to put these numbers up where
Speaker 5: he ain't had nobody opposite him.
Speaker 3: George went up there and put them numbers where he
Speaker 3: ain't nobody didn't either.
Speaker 2: He had he had a he had a running game
Speaker 2: that was going and was here last year to and
Speaker 2: flor Florin on the other side for when forgot hurt,
Speaker 2: Remember forg got hurt last.
Speaker 3: Year, he had to eat who last year that played for?
Speaker 5: Who was the receiver last year that was it was
Speaker 5: jeling Tobert Okay.
Speaker 2: The year before that had.
Speaker 3: So I don't know, listen, it's debatable. It's debatable.
Speaker 2: Is anybody wrong, It's all debatable all opinions. It's all opinions,
Speaker 2: and and that's the that that is, that's America. We
Speaker 2: get to have our own opinions, whether you like them
Speaker 2: or not. We get to have them.
Speaker 3: Who the hard cover is if you was a D
Speaker 3: all day long.
Speaker 2: All day long as a dB, you would much rather
Speaker 2: have to deal with a dude who's only gonna run
Speaker 2: three routes four at max than a dude who has
Speaker 2: the entire repertoire that you have to deal.
Speaker 5: The only time we get tough is when you honestly
Speaker 5: start to move inside. Moving inside makes things a little
Speaker 5: bit different. But but this dude has a has a
Speaker 5: great ratio of contested catches and field shoulder downfield shoulder
Speaker 5: on Georgia does matter city?
Speaker 4: Y'all?
Speaker 2: Y'all forget the contested catches that ceede Lamb's made diving catches.
Speaker 3: Form the matrix had Minniesoda, What have you done for?
Speaker 2: Remember the middle of the matrix one he had in Minnesota.
Speaker 2: Remember him going across the mill. There's a ton of them.
Speaker 2: There's a ton of them with this year.
Speaker 4: I love when receivers and dvs get.
Speaker 3: That Minnesota catch this year.
Speaker 2: No, you don't, But you're going off of You're going
Speaker 2: off of the history of George making the fifty fifty
Speaker 2: catches this year.
Speaker 3: I'm talking about the ones he's made since been in
Speaker 3: the building.
Speaker 2: Nobody's wrong, are you what I'm saying that?
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 2: Liked talking, It's I knew it would flame up some
Speaker 2: of the smoke. I lout flame up some of the smoke.
Speaker 2: So that's a great thing. And we'll continue to watch them.
Speaker 2: And honestly, like and I know this means for everybody
Speaker 2: in here, honestly, we hope both of them have spectaculars
Speaker 2: because they're hooping and they're bawling. The cowboys offense is
Speaker 2: out of this world. So we're just having the conversation
Speaker 2: and and and that's what that's what this is the
Speaker 2: This is the debate type of thing at the times.
Speaker 2: You get if we all agreed all the time, then
Speaker 2: what fun would that be? That's fun? But all right, man,
Speaker 2: this is the players lounge for Demontre Moore, for Anthony Dorset.
Speaker 2: I am Jesse Holly. Hopefully we'll have rich Barry Church
Speaker 2: back tomorrow and knew when we be out for the
Speaker 2: rest of the week, and I hope that you return
Speaker 2: for us to tomorrow because we're gonna have some more
Speaker 2: locker room type conversations and I might stroke up a
Speaker 2: little bit more messy Jesse, stand on, who're gonna stand on?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 2: Tomorrow?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 2: All right, thank you God so much. That's it for us, man,
Speaker 2: be out of here. Pace.
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