WEBVTT - Isaac Carree 0:00:01.920 --> 0:00:12.600 R and B money. Well, thank val. We are the 0:00:12.640 --> 0:00:19.160 authority on R and B, Ladies and gen My name 0:00:19.200 --> 0:00:23.440 is Tank and this is the arm By Money podcast, 0:00:23.960 --> 0:00:28.800 the authority on R and B. Let's go to the word. 0:00:30.880 --> 0:00:33.240 You know, a lot of R and B had come 0:00:33.320 --> 0:00:37.040 from the Lord, those those who have been able to 0:00:37.080 --> 0:00:41.120 be successful and have a long tenure. Uh in R 0:00:41.240 --> 0:00:44.560 and B has been because of the anointing. My God, 0:00:46.840 --> 0:00:52.520 we have a guest on today, on today, my God. Um, 0:00:52.600 --> 0:00:57.800 that is a standard. Amen. We won't say is a 0:00:57.960 --> 0:01:03.880 standard of all vocals. Oh my god. I remember watching 0:01:03.920 --> 0:01:09.120 him on VHS trying to learn how to perfect my 0:01:09.319 --> 0:01:14.520 vocal to sing like this man. I've been studying this 0:01:14.680 --> 0:01:20.800 man since I was in high school. Um, one of 0:01:20.880 --> 0:01:23.880 the most amazing singers I've ever heard in my life. 0:01:24.680 --> 0:01:32.800 Ladies and gentlemen, him Mr Isaac Curry in the building. Yeah, 0:01:33.280 --> 0:01:37.720 oh my god. Yeah, you take cash out zaiolo, all 0:01:37.760 --> 0:01:39.480 of it, all of it. The Church has blessed us 0:01:39.600 --> 0:01:41.839 this and the Church has blessed us. It's our first 0:01:41.880 --> 0:01:44.640 guys for artist. Well, let's do this. Can we start 0:01:44.680 --> 0:01:50.320 off like this? Let us pray Lord protect me today 0:01:50.440 --> 0:01:57.320 because I'm sitting between ah anointing heaven and hell and uh, 0:01:57.440 --> 0:02:00.920 thank would be the heaven now, So cover me so 0:02:01.000 --> 0:02:04.920 that I won't fall a straight not strays and bad way, 0:02:05.000 --> 0:02:07.480 but the strass and jays trying to destroy me today 0:02:07.560 --> 0:02:11.160 might get a straight bullet covering me. God, here we go, 0:02:11.320 --> 0:02:21.680 rmy money all things? Amen? Amen, Amen, it's him. Take 0:02:22.520 --> 0:02:27.639 it's him. What's the vampire movie? Even people happy? It's 0:02:27.680 --> 0:02:31.880 good and it's the rock supposed to do it too? 0:02:35.240 --> 0:02:40.200 Thank you, thank you. This is bro. You are. Yeah, 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:43.600 you are our first gospol artist. But you mean so 0:02:43.720 --> 0:02:49.760 much to R and B. Absolutely so much. I mean, 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:53.079 I'm just I can I'm just speaking on my life alone, 0:02:54.400 --> 0:03:03.000 like literally high school watching you skipping school age of me. No, no, 0:03:03.040 --> 0:03:05.000 I mean we were close to the same age. You 0:03:05.040 --> 0:03:07.200 just started earlier than you know, you were at a 0:03:07.240 --> 0:03:11.280 different level. True for the gospel. Absolutely, we would we 0:03:11.280 --> 0:03:14.839 would leave cut school. We would cut school, my gospel group, 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:16.720 and we would go back to my to my guy 0:03:16.840 --> 0:03:19.440 Mike's house and we would watch New Life. We would 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:22.200 watch them. I went further. He cut school. I quit 0:03:22.240 --> 0:03:25.560 school to do it. You did, huh? I dropped out 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:28.560 of school my eleventh grade year to sing to it, 0:03:28.680 --> 0:03:32.280 to get to it, the Lord, don't do that. Kids, 0:03:32.440 --> 0:03:36.960 don't finish. You're part of my You're a part of 0:03:37.000 --> 0:03:42.360 my DNA makeup musically completely. Bro. So I am, I am, 0:03:42.400 --> 0:03:45.680 I am. This is the dread, This is the great 0:03:46.200 --> 0:03:51.240 evolution when the teacher then becomes a student. Because, my brother, 0:03:51.400 --> 0:03:56.680 when I tell you, maybe I deserve to this present moment, 0:03:57.560 --> 0:04:01.760 you have shifted the trajectory of the way male vocals sing. 0:04:02.720 --> 0:04:05.000 You know, it's just it's it's just, it's it's special, Bro. 0:04:05.240 --> 0:04:07.480 And you have a lot, you know, you have you 0:04:07.480 --> 0:04:10.720 you have people who love good singing and know what 0:04:10.760 --> 0:04:12.280 they continue to be good singing that you know, people 0:04:12.280 --> 0:04:16.880 who can sigg you know, and you it's a huge 0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:18.920 difference to think somebody that can sing and somebody who 0:04:18.920 --> 0:04:22.480 can sing, who can fit in both worlds because a 0:04:22.480 --> 0:04:24.159 lot of people can't come from R and B and 0:04:24.200 --> 0:04:28.240 do gospel. Most people can't come from gospel and do 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:30.560 the R and B comes across the little corny, little 0:04:30.640 --> 0:04:33.080 cheesy little alright, go back to the Lord, go back 0:04:33.080 --> 0:04:40.920 to the quickly ext stage. Right. But that took a minute. Yeah, 0:04:41.360 --> 0:04:45.760 but you have been able to master both of them, Bro, 0:04:45.800 --> 0:04:47.840 And I appreciate that. So when I listen to you 0:04:47.880 --> 0:04:50.960 say that to me, it's like as we homies and everything. 0:04:51.000 --> 0:04:53.200 But I'm like, I'm a fan, man, bro, you're you're 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:55.799 you're right here in the hand. It's only five fingers, 0:04:56.480 --> 0:05:00.560 you're in the hand. So you know, this of course 0:05:00.680 --> 0:05:03.279 is celebratory as me, me and my brother Jay like 0:05:03.360 --> 0:05:05.720 to do, like we we gotta give you all the 0:05:05.760 --> 0:05:09.920 flowers that I know. Every singer that we know it's 0:05:09.960 --> 0:05:12.920 staring at you right now as they watch this. So 0:05:14.400 --> 0:05:19.320 I know the beginning, but everybody else doesn't know the beginning. 0:05:19.800 --> 0:05:23.440 We'd like to start at the beginning. When did somebody 0:05:23.640 --> 0:05:27.480 say to you or somebody say to one of your 0:05:27.520 --> 0:05:30.280 family members that boy has got a voice on him. 0:05:30.320 --> 0:05:32.600 I'm turning in right now. That boy can say, he 0:05:32.640 --> 0:05:34.840 can say showing up and saying to the Lord is 0:05:34.880 --> 0:05:38.720 all over him. He's all over song. He gonna end 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:45.080 up on the song with shots fired. Again, you pray 0:05:45.160 --> 0:05:52.080 for this and only my good brother do this to me, 0:05:52.160 --> 0:05:59.599 because wow, when beginning, when was it was? It was? 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:02.920 My man, you got rest her? So she just passed 0:06:02.920 --> 0:06:07.160 away about three months ago now, and uh, and it 0:06:07.240 --> 0:06:11.480 was it was it was it broke me um in 0:06:11.520 --> 0:06:14.320 grief counselor even as I speak, just to get through 0:06:14.320 --> 0:06:17.560 the process. But it was my mom. My mama was 0:06:17.760 --> 0:06:20.880 a beast of a singer. Oh she could sing, bro, 0:06:20.920 --> 0:06:26.320 I'm talking about I'm talking about a little Clark's sisters, 0:06:27.040 --> 0:06:30.160 sprinkled in with a little Kimber Rail, sprinkle a little 0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:34.000 Shirley Caesar. We're from Greensboro, North Carolina, shout out to 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:39.719 the borough. And and so my mother was a local giant, 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:43.159 giant bro. So she made a sing First of all, 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:45.760 I hate her singing. When I was growing up, church 0:06:45.800 --> 0:06:50.280 went cool, Church went cool. It was church boy, choir boy. 0:06:51.560 --> 0:06:53.560 And my mother was like a local celebrity. So she 0:06:53.600 --> 0:06:56.480 had her own show called Gospel Expo, which was a 0:06:56.520 --> 0:06:59.760 local version of Bobby Jones Gospel. You really grew up 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:04.719 in it? Oh yeah. So uh what happened was she 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:10.280 made us go on TV and singing. Oh yeah, six, 0:07:10.320 --> 0:07:12.120 I got the videos. I got the videos, me and 0:07:12.160 --> 0:07:19.760 my babies. Terrible crash. I'm talking about it's terrible, bro. 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:23.760 And she was like, you Bett not mess up. Hold 0:07:23.760 --> 0:07:27.320 your head up, open your mouth, pronounce your words. That 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:29.800 ain't right. Yeah, And I'm saying that tears rolling down 0:07:29.840 --> 0:07:32.280 my eyes, shut up and sing how are you shut up? 0:07:32.280 --> 0:07:39.520 And saying we're talking about that all the time. Figure out. 0:07:40.200 --> 0:07:43.400 And it was that upbringing, and I hated it. I 0:07:43.440 --> 0:07:44.760 wanted to be cool. I want to play ball. I 0:07:44.760 --> 0:07:47.800 wanted I played basketball, played football. I wanted to be 0:07:47.840 --> 0:07:52.840 cool a little girls. And it was church singing, church 0:07:52.920 --> 0:07:54.600 and sing you go to school, you can play, you 0:07:54.600 --> 0:07:57.760 can play the sports, but you're going to church, you know. 0:07:57.920 --> 0:08:00.400 And uh, it was that and I hate that. I hated. 0:08:00.440 --> 0:08:02.400 I hated. I resented it. And it's amazing when you 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:04.400 fast forward from that moment and now the very things 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:06.680 that I hated is the thing that supports me and 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:10.000 my family and the people that that I undergir and 0:08:10.000 --> 0:08:12.440 that that that rock with me. So uh, it was 0:08:12.480 --> 0:08:16.520 my mama, man, and my mom knew John Pikey. My 0:08:16.560 --> 0:08:18.560 mom used to bring John before he put the P 0:08:18.720 --> 0:08:21.120 in his name, when he was just John Key. My 0:08:21.120 --> 0:08:23.080 mom used to bring John on his show because he 0:08:23.120 --> 0:08:26.120 lived in Durham, North Carolina, and he used to come 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:29.480 up and do her show. And so he saw me 0:08:29.520 --> 0:08:33.360 growing up. So he was like Nancy, She's like, oh, no, 0:08:33.600 --> 0:08:37.280 I know, I know. You didn't see it. Oh no, 0:08:37.320 --> 0:08:41.040 I hated it. I'm talking about mad And the thing 0:08:41.160 --> 0:08:46.280 that changed my life was it wasn't John. John was 0:08:46.320 --> 0:08:50.480 the person who gave me an opportunity. Commission changed my life. 0:08:52.040 --> 0:08:55.400 That was the first group ever in my life that 0:08:55.559 --> 0:09:02.040 made gospel singing look cool. The hair, the hair, the 0:09:02.160 --> 0:09:09.079 parts us, the colors, sound, the sound reformities. They were 0:09:09.160 --> 0:09:12.400 so drippy, they was so they were they were fresh. Bro. 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:15.840 I was like, Oh, and my mama was not only 0:09:15.880 --> 0:09:18.520 a TV host, but she was a radio announcer. So 0:09:18.640 --> 0:09:20.959 back in the day, all the gospel artists used have 0:09:20.960 --> 0:09:22.960 to come through there and in the radio announcers would 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:28.280 get tickets to sort out everybody concert. So I'm on 0:09:28.320 --> 0:09:31.880 the front row when Commission comes to Greensburg, North Carolina, 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:34.240 and United the Holy Church on the Highway twenty nine 0:09:34.760 --> 0:09:38.560 and I'm sitting there and again this four John Peakey 0:09:38.679 --> 0:09:41.640 was John Peeky. John used to be a keyboard player 0:09:41.679 --> 0:09:46.080 in Commission. He traveled on the road with them, Oh Bro, 0:09:46.520 --> 0:09:50.920 ask them. He played keys. So when Commission came to Greensboro, 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:54.079 Michael Brooks is on one keyboard, John p Key is 0:09:54.120 --> 0:09:57.280 on another for him, and on the base Michael Williams 0:09:57.320 --> 0:10:01.719 on the drums. Keith Carl Mitch rais, Oh yeah, oh, bro, 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:05.559 I did not know that. So I'm on the front 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:08.720 row like in all, I'm like, I want to do this. 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:11.880 And when the concert was over, I had I had access. Bro. See, 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:14.640 it's about it's not it's not really about how good 0:10:14.640 --> 0:10:16.600 you are. It's about who you know. It's about the 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:20.079 relationships you have in the favorite. And I was able 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:22.560 to go backstage and I walked to the frad Hammit 0:10:22.600 --> 0:10:24.400 and we laughed about it to this day. He over 0:10:24.480 --> 0:10:27.000 really remember I walked to that man, looked him dead 0:10:27.000 --> 0:10:29.880 in his eye and said, when y'all ever started junior commission, 0:10:31.160 --> 0:10:35.080 he paid me in my head. It laughed, and that 0:10:35.200 --> 0:10:37.720 started it off for me. So as I grew in 0:10:37.720 --> 0:10:40.360 a few more years, as my gifted developed, John Carl 0:10:41.120 --> 0:10:45.280 brought me in met Lowell with John. And then this 0:10:45.360 --> 0:10:49.720 point I'm sixteen. I'm sixteen. I'm sixteen, so I dropped 0:10:49.720 --> 0:10:56.120 out my eleven grade year. How do you now? Forty nine? Okay, 0:10:56.960 --> 0:10:59.480 forty ninety six. I'm just trying to count the years. 0:10:59.480 --> 0:11:02.800 So if you were six team okay, yeah, forty nine now, 0:11:03.040 --> 0:11:05.880 so I was six saying my mother went to a 0:11:05.960 --> 0:11:09.120 church conference in Memphis, Tennessee. Church gun Christ is gonna 0:11:09.120 --> 0:11:11.719 be mention, of course, and she went and my mother 0:11:11.760 --> 0:11:13.240 made a deal with me. She said, you can sing 0:11:13.240 --> 0:11:16.480 with John because John to Charlotte at this at this time, 0:11:16.960 --> 0:11:18.880 so I would have to drive me and my homeboy. 0:11:18.880 --> 0:11:20.800 He used to have to drive Marcus Dawson shout out, 0:11:20.800 --> 0:11:24.960 he's the Bishop Jake's Oregon player back now he is. 0:11:25.000 --> 0:11:27.880 Back then he was my neighbor homeboy, and we used 0:11:27.880 --> 0:11:31.320 to drive to Charlotte, get on the bus, go do 0:11:31.360 --> 0:11:34.800 a weekend because we travel on weekends Friday, Saturday, Sunday, 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:37.240 back home Sunday night. My mom said, as long as 0:11:37.280 --> 0:11:38.920 you get up on Monday morning to go to school, 0:11:38.960 --> 0:11:41.160 you can do it. The first time you don't get 0:11:41.520 --> 0:11:43.120 on a Monday morning to go to school, you're done. 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:45.679 You're done. Ain't nothing to talk about. It's not no, 0:11:45.880 --> 0:11:49.480 it's it's as a non negotiable. Okay, Mama, I'm good. 0:11:49.679 --> 0:11:52.400 I'm gonna get up. I promise. So first three weeks 0:11:52.440 --> 0:11:55.199 I got up, but I was getting home at two 0:11:55.240 --> 0:11:57.720 three o'clock in the morning on Sunday nights, coming from 0:11:57.760 --> 0:11:59.520 a city, and then have to drive an hour back 0:11:59.559 --> 0:12:01.640 to Green's Girl, and then I gotta be up because 0:12:01.640 --> 0:12:04.719 I still played sports. I got tutorial and oh I 0:12:04.760 --> 0:12:07.120 want to go to school. Mama, Okay, cool, but then 0:12:07.120 --> 0:12:10.400 you don't want to say no, mom, not with him? 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:12.440 And my mother went out of town for a church convention. 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:15.719 And I went out of town and I went to 0:12:15.800 --> 0:12:18.080 Charlotte and I packed my stuff and I never came back. 0:12:18.880 --> 0:12:22.960 At what age where you ran away? I ran away, 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:25.920 moved to Charlotte, dropped out of school, never went back 0:12:25.960 --> 0:12:29.000 to greens bro And I was in Charlotte for four years. 0:12:29.480 --> 0:12:34.200 Who's your staying with? Wait? Wait wait wait wait wait 0:12:34.200 --> 0:12:37.679 wait right, he is watching this and he is dying. 0:12:38.160 --> 0:12:41.920 He is dying right now because he knows exactly caught 0:12:41.920 --> 0:12:46.280 his went down. Your mama, don't come looking for you know, 0:12:46.440 --> 0:12:48.600 she calling, calling, calling, You want the cell phones back then? 0:12:48.760 --> 0:12:52.520 Right right now, that's way different times. So three years ago, yeah, 0:12:52.640 --> 0:12:54.520 so she called and calling and calling, and I think 0:12:54.679 --> 0:12:56.959 privately it was never revealed to me at that time. 0:12:57.720 --> 0:13:00.520 John called us like I got him, Nancy, I got 0:13:00.600 --> 0:13:03.200 him right, because it's also her friend also her friends. 0:13:03.960 --> 0:13:05.800 She wasn't like you just ran off, she said John, 0:13:05.800 --> 0:13:07.560 take care of my traveling circuit. John, take care of 0:13:07.559 --> 0:13:11.520 my boy. Um I got him and so I didn't 0:13:11.559 --> 0:13:14.480 know that though, So I would not call home. You're 0:13:14.520 --> 0:13:18.240 just nervous because if I talked to my mom and 0:13:18.280 --> 0:13:22.880 I hear her voice. So I called her for like 0:13:23.120 --> 0:13:25.920 I want to say, maybe a month and a half, 0:13:25.960 --> 0:13:28.080 two months, which is a long time back then, man, 0:13:28.400 --> 0:13:31.480 a long time now. So she she just passed away 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:33.840 to I want the month to months back. I wish 0:13:33.840 --> 0:13:35.880 I could get that back. But I didn't call him, man, 0:13:35.880 --> 0:13:37.360 because I knew if I heard her voice, I was 0:13:37.400 --> 0:13:41.199 going home. And uh so when I did call her, 0:13:42.200 --> 0:13:45.720 she was like, go to school. Her bank concern was, 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:48.240 I trust who you w you gotta go to school? 0:13:48.440 --> 0:13:52.560 Never went to school because your junior year too. And 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:54.960 we hit that role, bro. And this was at the 0:13:55.040 --> 0:13:58.480 height of John pickI and New life. So you're talking 0:13:58.480 --> 0:14:01.199 about he had just come off the heels. It will 0:14:01.280 --> 0:14:04.439 be all right, it will be he come up that 0:14:04.760 --> 0:14:12.440 into Washington waiting with the blue and the mustard mustard 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:15.160 and the like. Literally, I'm not making this up. I'm 0:14:15.200 --> 0:14:20.280 not lying. People would chase our tour us, bro. These kids. 0:14:20.640 --> 0:14:24.680 John is responsible for the youth movement that was introduced 0:14:25.240 --> 0:14:29.320 in the church period, not Kurt, and Kirk says that period, 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:36.240 John started the youth revolution reward, we look like you, 0:14:36.840 --> 0:14:41.120 We sing your songs from the stream. His story. He 0:14:41.200 --> 0:14:44.440 was the first guy that was like so even though 0:14:44.440 --> 0:14:46.560 he was older and he could appeal to mam and 0:14:46.640 --> 0:14:50.160 them and grandma him, he appealed to He appealed to us, 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:54.240 but then he had us appealed to our own our 0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:56.480 own generation. So it was massively the way he did it, 0:14:56.520 --> 0:15:00.240 the way he put it together, Bro and it him 0:15:00.320 --> 0:15:04.720 that that trio. You know, we was we were special. Bro, 0:15:04.800 --> 0:15:07.200 me little Well and John. We was special. We were 0:15:07.240 --> 0:15:09.400 special together. It was it was fresh, It was unheard of, 0:15:09.440 --> 0:15:14.320 it was uncut, nobody was doing it. It was different. Yeah, 0:15:14.680 --> 0:15:16.480 was a little older, so low. It was probably like 0:15:18.120 --> 0:15:19.880 because I think he liked three. He's like four years 0:15:19.920 --> 0:15:21.720 older man things, so he was a little older. But yeah, 0:15:21.800 --> 0:15:25.920 we was kids, man, and it wanted about the money, 0:15:25.960 --> 0:15:27.480 wanted about nothing that we were just like we want 0:15:27.480 --> 0:15:30.040 to hit that role. Bro was having fun. We was 0:15:30.080 --> 0:15:33.040 having fun. Bro. We was having fun. Bro. We was 0:15:33.040 --> 0:15:36.000 packing out. We was packing out places people. We would 0:15:36.000 --> 0:15:39.720 get the cities late sometime they wait, it was bad, bro, 0:15:39.840 --> 0:15:43.000 it was bad. I mean it was bad, bad, And 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:44.960 so I got a chance to see up close how 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:50.800 John um just cultivated people who weren't used to seeing 0:15:50.840 --> 0:15:53.880 gospel presented in that way because it was a little 0:15:53.920 --> 0:15:57.120 more traditional, you know, the Hawkins and Undrey crowd and 0:15:57.160 --> 0:15:59.320 the Lacostus was a little edgy because they had they 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:03.600 had they had R and B mainstream audience. But John 0:16:03.600 --> 0:16:06.040 started a youth movement that we had never seen kids 0:16:06.200 --> 0:16:09.920 excited about church until John came on the same So 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:19.080 what was how did you view John vocally and was 0:16:19.120 --> 0:16:22.840 that a major part of your development in terms of 0:16:22.840 --> 0:16:25.080 your vocal Because when I first time I ever saw 0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:28.680 John in concert, it was the first time I've ever 0:16:28.720 --> 0:16:36.960 seen somebody flawlessly, flawlessly seeing a show from top to bottom. 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:40.360 Had never ever, you know, that was possible. He's the 0:16:40.400 --> 0:16:43.680 first person I ever saw do that. And of course 0:16:43.720 --> 0:16:46.320 y'all back there and then you harmonize I want to 0:16:46.360 --> 0:16:49.160 love you, and I'm like, you know, losing our minds. 0:16:49.760 --> 0:16:56.000 But was he very, very instrumental in the development of 0:16:56.000 --> 0:17:02.160 of your vocal? Uh? My singing style was completely different 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:07.320 than his, so uh, I didn't lean into more of 0:17:07.440 --> 0:17:14.000 singing like John more so than the the the teachable 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:16.000 moments he taught me, like, I never get to this day. 0:17:16.000 --> 0:17:18.479 I use this. I promised to God. I've been singing 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:21.600 professionally for thirty two thirty three years now, and I 0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:23.560 do this to this day because he told me, I 0:17:23.680 --> 0:17:26.479 never forget. I was on the bus and I sang, 0:17:27.600 --> 0:17:31.440 and I think I crashed the burn. I was fresh 0:17:31.480 --> 0:17:33.760 with him, maybe my first few months with him, and 0:17:33.800 --> 0:17:36.240 I was on the bus crying. I was a kid man. 0:17:36.840 --> 0:17:41.320 I was broken, and uh, he said, we'll get him. 0:17:41.320 --> 0:17:45.680 The more he said, always think before you sing. He said, 0:17:45.680 --> 0:17:48.760 don't be a singer, be a thinking singer. He's a 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:51.040 thinking man's game. You know where you're going before you 0:17:51.040 --> 0:17:54.720 get there, register your notes in your mind. You have 0:17:54.800 --> 0:17:56.080 to have a lot of stuff going on in your 0:17:56.080 --> 0:17:58.240 mind the same time, before anything comes out of your mouth. 0:17:58.680 --> 0:18:00.320 Go help you with your pitch. Go happy with your tone. 0:18:00.359 --> 0:18:03.239 Your tonalities gonna help you with everything. Think And that 0:18:03.240 --> 0:18:05.440 thing stuck with me to this day. Bro, if I'm 0:18:05.480 --> 0:18:07.240 getting a song, you know, sometimes you start a song 0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:11.119 and that the first note sets the tone. So I'm like, 0:18:11.119 --> 0:18:13.240 I'm telling I'm my little secrets, which ain't a big deal, 0:18:13.280 --> 0:18:17.280 but I'll be like, you don't make it sure, get there, 0:18:17.440 --> 0:18:24.000 get there first before because I've already I've processed it, 0:18:24.040 --> 0:18:25.960 and that I'm on it. And then I think, so 0:18:26.400 --> 0:18:29.080 it's like I wasn't Jordan's. Jordan was the type of 0:18:29.119 --> 0:18:32.959 athlete that Jordan would create while he's been here. Now, 0:18:33.240 --> 0:18:34.920 I knew what I was gonna do before I got 0:18:35.280 --> 0:18:38.520 a Yeah. So if I'm a I'm a straighten this out, Okay, 0:18:38.560 --> 0:18:40.040 I'm gonna do that. I already know where I'm going. 0:18:40.359 --> 0:18:43.520 It lives. It helped me. It helped me eliminate a 0:18:43.520 --> 0:18:47.320 lot of crashes, a lot of accidents, a lot of 0:18:47.400 --> 0:18:50.119 vocal We watched a lot of guys crash, Yeah, because 0:18:50.200 --> 0:18:52.080 they just go for what they know. Now you have, 0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:58.360 you have anomalies. The greatest anomaly of our day right 0:18:58.359 --> 0:19:02.000 now doing that. It's a Cardi quartet. He's the Michael 0:19:02.080 --> 0:19:07.000 Jordan's vocals. It's amazing. He's the Michael Jordan's of male 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:11.960 vocals here in any job, anything that he opens his 0:19:12.040 --> 0:19:15.320 mouth to do, he just now some more. You got 0:19:15.440 --> 0:19:18.360 Darren Walls from the Walls Group. You got Jane Moore 0:19:18.440 --> 0:19:21.920 we just finished talking about. But it's weird because all 0:19:21.920 --> 0:19:24.080 three of them from Houston, Texas. It's something over there. 0:19:24.119 --> 0:19:26.600 It's something the water, and he's all from Houston. But 0:19:26.840 --> 0:19:29.119 you have people like them. I'm not them. I think 0:19:29.240 --> 0:19:32.080 before I sing and I calculate. So John taught me that, 0:19:32.440 --> 0:19:34.760 and he really honed the gift. He taught me the 0:19:34.760 --> 0:19:37.240 difference between singing live and singing in the studio, because 0:19:37.280 --> 0:19:40.320 it's different. Scared the crap out of me the first 0:19:40.359 --> 0:19:43.440 time I put my headphones on head to hear myself back, like, yo, 0:19:43.520 --> 0:19:46.439 this is he taught me. So those are things I 0:19:46.480 --> 0:19:49.960 got from John Loe. Well, I think Lean Moore on 0:19:50.520 --> 0:19:53.760 how John saying, you know, that's what he got. The heaviness, 0:19:53.800 --> 0:19:56.639 the heaviness the ground. My boys couldn't handle that. I 0:19:56.640 --> 0:20:00.640 could have handled that. Yeah, you gre into it though 0:20:00.760 --> 0:20:03.399 I did. Uh. You know, it's like it's like George 0:20:03.440 --> 0:20:09.600 stuff going to the whole kovid stop shooting three. Your 0:20:09.640 --> 0:20:13.960 body can't like you when my range started decreasing, because 0:20:14.000 --> 0:20:15.760 you know, I still know people like what you're saying. Hi, 0:20:15.800 --> 0:20:17.119 I don't know I can hit a high. No, I 0:20:17.160 --> 0:20:19.200 ain't staying there now much. I used to live there. 0:20:19.440 --> 0:20:26.600 You absolutely, I used to stay there and then but 0:20:26.680 --> 0:20:30.040 now it's now he just did get out of there. 0:20:30.080 --> 0:20:31.400 I'm like, he didn't get out of there. I ain't 0:20:31.440 --> 0:20:33.800 staying there. People like card do on them jumpers, they 0:20:33.800 --> 0:20:37.399 live there. Why are we doing? Everybody gaspel singers just 0:20:40.720 --> 0:20:45.000 pulling harllywater? OK, so can make something? First of all, 0:20:45.400 --> 0:20:48.680 Jay Light's getting pretty skin and pretty here, got all 0:20:48.760 --> 0:20:53.719 his muscles on display. Can I say that? I mean, 0:20:54.200 --> 0:20:56.960 can I have a gift? Y'all got everything? Can I 0:20:57.000 --> 0:21:13.880 have one? I just can't the church saying made yeah. 0:21:13.960 --> 0:21:17.879 So that was for me man, and it cultivated my gift. 0:21:17.880 --> 0:21:21.000 And then what helped me was I listened to you 0:21:21.200 --> 0:21:24.000 Donnie Hathaway's just Stevie one does now in my mama's house, 0:21:24.040 --> 0:21:27.080 though I could listen to nothing that no secular music 0:21:27.680 --> 0:21:30.639 house at all. What never? No, you don't think she 0:21:30.680 --> 0:21:33.919 ever listened I never. No, no, no, no, no, not not. 0:21:34.080 --> 0:21:38.480 You gotta stand She heard it, but it didn't play 0:21:38.520 --> 0:21:42.520 in my house. One of her favorite singers was Charlie Wilson. 0:21:43.280 --> 0:21:48.560 Oh my god, you know, but she didn't make that. No, 0:21:49.160 --> 0:21:51.040 but she never played in the house. She would hear 0:21:51.080 --> 0:21:52.760 that a radio station before she do her show, because 0:21:52.760 --> 0:21:56.680 it was it was multiple But yeah, no, no gospel music, no, 0:21:56.680 --> 0:21:58.480 none of that. I mean no, no R and B, 0:21:58.720 --> 0:22:01.720 no hip hop, no rap for sure, nothing nothing but 0:22:01.840 --> 0:22:04.439 gospel music in my house period. It's all I grow up. 0:22:04.600 --> 0:22:07.679 So I had to sneak. I had to sneak and listen. 0:22:08.000 --> 0:22:10.200 And that's when I listened to your Donnie had the 0:22:10.240 --> 0:22:13.680 Ways and your Stevie Wonders and and all these cats 0:22:13.760 --> 0:22:16.000 growing up, and I was like, oh, it's levels of 0:22:16.040 --> 0:22:19.639 this thing. It's levels of this thing, you know, because 0:22:19.680 --> 0:22:24.120 I had I had the Darryl Coley's. Yeah, I had 0:22:24.160 --> 0:22:27.600 the John V. Keys, I had the Marvin Winensimberly McFarland. 0:22:27.640 --> 0:22:31.159 Come on, bro, yeah, come on bro sing with the 0:22:31.240 --> 0:22:34.959 Milton Bronson, the topic community. You know, you had, You 0:22:35.040 --> 0:22:38.760 had that your Kurvey Browns, who's the same as he was. 0:22:39.680 --> 0:22:43.480 He was high, he was. Yeah, So you had I'm 0:22:43.520 --> 0:22:50.040 about to start naming Pempson's that's your reference point. That's 0:22:50.040 --> 0:22:56.679 what I'm about to start naming. Yeah, yeah, don the 0:22:56.800 --> 0:23:03.879 bit shop Wan, that's the piece of Kenny Red. So 0:23:04.040 --> 0:23:07.760 I had that, But bro, when I started hearing see 0:23:08.280 --> 0:23:12.399 gospel music, goals for well, this is how we we 0:23:12.520 --> 0:23:15.760 all gassed no break. Yeah, yeah, I never get j 0:23:16.119 --> 0:23:20.000 J bless me. He'd even know. He helped me tremendously. 0:23:21.680 --> 0:23:24.959 He definitely said something crazy because you're crazy, but I 0:23:25.000 --> 0:23:28.639 had to cut through the wrongness of it, and it 0:23:28.920 --> 0:23:32.600 shifted the trajectory of how I process music and how 0:23:32.640 --> 0:23:34.600 approach music now. Jay said to me, I think it 0:23:34.640 --> 0:23:37.480 was twenty nineteen. I was playing some music for him 0:23:37.480 --> 0:23:41.080 that I had coming out, and j was like, we're 0:23:41.119 --> 0:23:43.280 gonna talk about it. You can saying that, you can say, 0:23:44.560 --> 0:23:48.679 but you gotta pull back. That's what you mean, he said, Bro, 0:23:48.720 --> 0:23:51.560 people can't comprehend all that. They can't comprehend all that. 0:23:51.600 --> 0:23:54.000 You have to balance that out. Hit him, hit it 0:23:54.000 --> 0:23:56.760 when it's needed, but don't leave there, bro, he said, 0:23:56.760 --> 0:23:59.240 you gotta balance that out. And it helped me approach 0:23:59.680 --> 0:24:01.800 You know, I'm a runner, bro. I was known for 0:24:01.840 --> 0:24:05.720 doing runs, doing my riffs, you know, and uh. And 0:24:05.840 --> 0:24:10.720 when Jay said that, I was like, yo, as a 0:24:10.760 --> 0:24:15.240 singer doing this thirty years at the time, I'm still 0:24:15.320 --> 0:24:18.400 learning and you gotta have a teachable spirit. So when 0:24:18.400 --> 0:24:21.919 he said it, it was like he don't even realized 0:24:21.960 --> 0:24:25.760 that it changed everything for me. I had a girl 0:24:25.800 --> 0:24:29.520 did it to me word I was. I was on 0:24:29.560 --> 0:24:33.080 the phone playing her song that I wrote, Okay with 0:24:33.119 --> 0:24:35.159 my keeping, had my key on my track playing and 0:24:35.200 --> 0:24:39.399 I really liked her. I'm just, you know, verse hooking 0:24:39.400 --> 0:24:44.440