Speaker 1: R and B money. Well, thank val. We are the
Speaker 1: authority on R and B, Ladies and gen My name
Speaker 1: is Tank and this is the arm By Money podcast,
Speaker 1: the authority on R and B. Let's go to the word.
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of R and B had come
Speaker 1: from the Lord, those those who have been able to
Speaker 1: be successful and have a long tenure. Uh in R
Speaker 1: and B has been because of the anointing. My God,
Speaker 1: we have a guest on today, on today, my God. Um,
Speaker 1: that is a standard. Amen. We won't say is a
Speaker 1: standard of all vocals. Oh my god. I remember watching
Speaker 1: him on VHS trying to learn how to perfect my
Speaker 1: vocal to sing like this man. I've been studying this
Speaker 1: man since I was in high school. Um, one of
Speaker 1: the most amazing singers I've ever heard in my life.
Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, him Mr Isaac Curry in the building. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh my god. Yeah, you take cash out zaiolo, all
Speaker 1: of it, all of it. The Church has blessed us
Speaker 1: this and the Church has blessed us. It's our first
Speaker 1: guys for artist. Well, let's do this. Can we start
Speaker 1: off like this? Let us pray Lord protect me today
Speaker 1: because I'm sitting between ah anointing heaven and hell and uh,
Speaker 1: thank would be the heaven now, So cover me so
Speaker 1: that I won't fall a straight not strays and bad way,
Speaker 1: but the strass and jays trying to destroy me today
Speaker 1: might get a straight bullet covering me. God, here we go,
Speaker 1: rmy money all things? Amen? Amen, Amen, it's him. Take
Speaker 1: it's him. What's the vampire movie? Even people happy? It's
Speaker 1: good and it's the rock supposed to do it too?
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you. This is bro. You are. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you are our first gospol artist. But you mean so
Speaker 1: much to R and B. Absolutely so much. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm just I can I'm just speaking on my life alone,
Speaker 1: like literally high school watching you skipping school age of me. No, no,
Speaker 1: I mean we were close to the same age. You
Speaker 1: just started earlier than you know, you were at a
Speaker 1: different level. True for the gospel. Absolutely, we would we
Speaker 1: would leave cut school. We would cut school, my gospel group,
Speaker 1: and we would go back to my to my guy
Speaker 1: Mike's house and we would watch New Life. We would
Speaker 1: watch them. I went further. He cut school. I quit
Speaker 1: school to do it. You did, huh? I dropped out
Speaker 1: of school my eleventh grade year to sing to it,
Speaker 1: to get to it, the Lord, don't do that. Kids,
Speaker 1: don't finish. You're part of my You're a part of
Speaker 1: my DNA makeup musically completely. Bro. So I am, I am,
Speaker 1: I am. This is the dread, This is the great
Speaker 1: evolution when the teacher then becomes a student. Because, my brother,
Speaker 1: when I tell you, maybe I deserve to this present moment,
Speaker 1: you have shifted the trajectory of the way male vocals sing.
Speaker 1: You know, it's just it's it's just, it's it's special, Bro.
Speaker 1: And you have a lot, you know, you have you
Speaker 1: you have people who love good singing and know what
Speaker 1: they continue to be good singing that you know, people
Speaker 1: who can sigg you know, and you it's a huge
Speaker 1: difference to think somebody that can sing and somebody who
Speaker 1: can sing, who can fit in both worlds because a
Speaker 1: lot of people can't come from R and B and
Speaker 1: do gospel. Most people can't come from gospel and do
Speaker 1: the R and B comes across the little corny, little
Speaker 1: cheesy little alright, go back to the Lord, go back
Speaker 1: to the quickly ext stage. Right. But that took a minute. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you have been able to master both of them, Bro,
Speaker 1: And I appreciate that. So when I listen to you
Speaker 1: say that to me, it's like as we homies and everything.
Speaker 1: But I'm like, I'm a fan, man, bro, you're you're
Speaker 1: you're right here in the hand. It's only five fingers,
Speaker 1: you're in the hand. So you know, this of course
Speaker 1: is celebratory as me, me and my brother Jay like
Speaker 1: to do, like we we gotta give you all the
Speaker 1: flowers that I know. Every singer that we know it's
Speaker 1: staring at you right now as they watch this. So
Speaker 1: I know the beginning, but everybody else doesn't know the beginning.
Speaker 1: We'd like to start at the beginning. When did somebody
Speaker 1: say to you or somebody say to one of your
Speaker 1: family members that boy has got a voice on him.
Speaker 1: I'm turning in right now. That boy can say, he
Speaker 1: can say showing up and saying to the Lord is
Speaker 1: all over him. He's all over song. He gonna end
Speaker 1: up on the song with shots fired. Again, you pray
Speaker 1: for this and only my good brother do this to me,
Speaker 1: because wow, when beginning, when was it was? It was?
Speaker 1: My man, you got rest her? So she just passed
Speaker 1: away about three months ago now, and uh, and it
Speaker 1: was it was it was it broke me um in
Speaker 1: grief counselor even as I speak, just to get through
Speaker 1: the process. But it was my mom. My mama was
Speaker 1: a beast of a singer. Oh she could sing, bro,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about I'm talking about a little Clark's sisters,
Speaker 1: sprinkled in with a little Kimber Rail, sprinkle a little
Speaker 1: Shirley Caesar. We're from Greensboro, North Carolina, shout out to
Speaker 1: the borough. And and so my mother was a local giant,
Speaker 1: giant bro. So she made a sing First of all,
Speaker 1: I hate her singing. When I was growing up, church
Speaker 1: went cool, Church went cool. It was church boy, choir boy.
Speaker 1: And my mother was like a local celebrity. So she
Speaker 1: had her own show called Gospel Expo, which was a
Speaker 1: local version of Bobby Jones Gospel. You really grew up
Speaker 1: in it? Oh yeah. So uh what happened was she
Speaker 1: made us go on TV and singing. Oh yeah, six,
Speaker 1: I got the videos. I got the videos, me and
Speaker 1: my babies. Terrible crash. I'm talking about it's terrible, bro.
Speaker 1: And she was like, you Bett not mess up. Hold
Speaker 1: your head up, open your mouth, pronounce your words. That
Speaker 1: ain't right. Yeah, And I'm saying that tears rolling down
Speaker 1: my eyes, shut up and sing how are you shut up?
Speaker 1: And saying we're talking about that all the time. Figure out.
Speaker 1: And it was that upbringing, and I hated it. I
Speaker 1: wanted to be cool. I want to play ball. I
Speaker 1: wanted I played basketball, played football. I wanted to be
Speaker 1: cool a little girls. And it was church singing, church
Speaker 1: and sing you go to school, you can play, you
Speaker 1: can play the sports, but you're going to church, you know.
Speaker 1: And uh, it was that and I hate that. I hated.
Speaker 1: I hated. I resented it. And it's amazing when you
Speaker 1: fast forward from that moment and now the very things
Speaker 1: that I hated is the thing that supports me and
Speaker 1: my family and the people that that I undergir and
Speaker 1: that that that rock with me. So uh, it was
Speaker 1: my mama, man, and my mom knew John Pikey. My
Speaker 1: mom used to bring John before he put the P
Speaker 1: in his name, when he was just John Key. My
Speaker 1: mom used to bring John on his show because he
Speaker 1: lived in Durham, North Carolina, and he used to come
Speaker 1: up and do her show. And so he saw me
Speaker 1: growing up. So he was like Nancy, She's like, oh, no,
Speaker 1: I know, I know. You didn't see it. Oh no,
Speaker 1: I hated it. I'm talking about mad And the thing
Speaker 1: that changed my life was it wasn't John. John was
Speaker 1: the person who gave me an opportunity. Commission changed my life.
Speaker 1: That was the first group ever in my life that
Speaker 1: made gospel singing look cool. The hair, the hair, the
Speaker 1: parts us, the colors, sound, the sound reformities. They were
Speaker 1: so drippy, they was so they were they were fresh. Bro.
Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, and my mama was not only
Speaker 1: a TV host, but she was a radio announcer. So
Speaker 1: back in the day, all the gospel artists used have
Speaker 1: to come through there and in the radio announcers would
Speaker 1: get tickets to sort out everybody concert. So I'm on
Speaker 1: the front row when Commission comes to Greensburg, North Carolina,
Speaker 1: and United the Holy Church on the Highway twenty nine
Speaker 1: and I'm sitting there and again this four John Peakey
Speaker 1: was John Peeky. John used to be a keyboard player
Speaker 1: in Commission. He traveled on the road with them, Oh Bro,
Speaker 1: ask them. He played keys. So when Commission came to Greensboro,
Speaker 1: Michael Brooks is on one keyboard, John p Key is
Speaker 1: on another for him, and on the base Michael Williams
Speaker 1: on the drums. Keith Carl Mitch rais, Oh yeah, oh, bro,
Speaker 1: I did not know that. So I'm on the front
Speaker 1: row like in all, I'm like, I want to do this.
Speaker 1: And when the concert was over, I had I had access. Bro. See,
Speaker 1: it's about it's not it's not really about how good
Speaker 1: you are. It's about who you know. It's about the
Speaker 1: relationships you have in the favorite. And I was able
Speaker 1: to go backstage and I walked to the frad Hammit
Speaker 1: and we laughed about it to this day. He over
Speaker 1: really remember I walked to that man, looked him dead
Speaker 1: in his eye and said, when y'all ever started junior commission,
Speaker 1: he paid me in my head. It laughed, and that
Speaker 1: started it off for me. So as I grew in
Speaker 1: a few more years, as my gifted developed, John Carl
Speaker 1: brought me in met Lowell with John. And then this
Speaker 1: point I'm sixteen. I'm sixteen. I'm sixteen, so I dropped
Speaker 1: out my eleven grade year. How do you now? Forty nine? Okay,
Speaker 1: forty ninety six. I'm just trying to count the years.
Speaker 1: So if you were six team okay, yeah, forty nine now,
Speaker 1: so I was six saying my mother went to a
Speaker 1: church conference in Memphis, Tennessee. Church gun Christ is gonna
Speaker 1: be mention, of course, and she went and my mother
Speaker 1: made a deal with me. She said, you can sing
Speaker 1: with John because John to Charlotte at this at this time,
Speaker 1: so I would have to drive me and my homeboy.
Speaker 1: He used to have to drive Marcus Dawson shout out,
Speaker 1: he's the Bishop Jake's Oregon player back now he is.
Speaker 1: Back then he was my neighbor homeboy, and we used
Speaker 1: to drive to Charlotte, get on the bus, go do
Speaker 1: a weekend because we travel on weekends Friday, Saturday, Sunday,
Speaker 1: back home Sunday night. My mom said, as long as
Speaker 1: you get up on Monday morning to go to school,
Speaker 1: you can do it. The first time you don't get
Speaker 1: on a Monday morning to go to school, you're done.
Speaker 1: You're done. Ain't nothing to talk about. It's not no,
Speaker 1: it's it's as a non negotiable. Okay, Mama, I'm good.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get up. I promise. So first three weeks
Speaker 1: I got up, but I was getting home at two
Speaker 1: three o'clock in the morning on Sunday nights, coming from
Speaker 1: a city, and then have to drive an hour back
Speaker 1: to Green's Girl, and then I gotta be up because
Speaker 1: I still played sports. I got tutorial and oh I
Speaker 1: want to go to school. Mama, Okay, cool, but then
Speaker 1: you don't want to say no, mom, not with him?
Speaker 1: And my mother went out of town for a church convention.
Speaker 1: And I went out of town and I went to
Speaker 1: Charlotte and I packed my stuff and I never came back.
Speaker 1: At what age where you ran away? I ran away,
Speaker 1: moved to Charlotte, dropped out of school, never went back
Speaker 1: to greens bro And I was in Charlotte for four years.
Speaker 1: Who's your staying with? Wait? Wait wait wait wait wait
Speaker 1: wait right, he is watching this and he is dying.
Speaker 1: He is dying right now because he knows exactly caught
Speaker 1: his went down. Your mama, don't come looking for you know,
Speaker 1: she calling, calling, calling, You want the cell phones back then?
Speaker 1: Right right now, that's way different times. So three years ago, yeah,
Speaker 1: so she called and calling and calling, and I think
Speaker 1: privately it was never revealed to me at that time.
Speaker 1: John called us like I got him, Nancy, I got
Speaker 1: him right, because it's also her friend also her friends.
Speaker 1: She wasn't like you just ran off, she said John,
Speaker 1: take care of my traveling circuit. John, take care of
Speaker 1: my boy. Um I got him and so I didn't
Speaker 1: know that though, So I would not call home. You're
Speaker 1: just nervous because if I talked to my mom and
Speaker 1: I hear her voice. So I called her for like
Speaker 1: I want to say, maybe a month and a half,
Speaker 1: two months, which is a long time back then, man,
Speaker 1: a long time now. So she she just passed away
Speaker 1: to I want the month to months back. I wish
Speaker 1: I could get that back. But I didn't call him, man,
Speaker 1: because I knew if I heard her voice, I was
Speaker 1: going home. And uh so when I did call her,
Speaker 1: she was like, go to school. Her bank concern was,
Speaker 1: I trust who you w you gotta go to school?
Speaker 1: Never went to school because your junior year too. And
Speaker 1: we hit that role, bro. And this was at the
Speaker 1: height of John pickI and New life. So you're talking
Speaker 1: about he had just come off the heels. It will
Speaker 1: be all right, it will be he come up that
Speaker 1: into Washington waiting with the blue and the mustard mustard
Speaker 1: and the like. Literally, I'm not making this up. I'm
Speaker 1: not lying. People would chase our tour us, bro. These kids.
Speaker 1: John is responsible for the youth movement that was introduced
Speaker 1: in the church period, not Kurt, and Kirk says that period,
Speaker 1: John started the youth revolution reward, we look like you,
Speaker 1: We sing your songs from the stream. His story. He
Speaker 1: was the first guy that was like so even though
Speaker 1: he was older and he could appeal to mam and
Speaker 1: them and grandma him, he appealed to He appealed to us,
Speaker 1: but then he had us appealed to our own our
Speaker 1: own generation. So it was massively the way he did it,
Speaker 1: the way he put it together, Bro and it him
Speaker 1: that that trio. You know, we was we were special. Bro,
Speaker 1: me little Well and John. We was special. We were
Speaker 1: special together. It was it was fresh, It was unheard of,
Speaker 1: it was uncut, nobody was doing it. It was different. Yeah,
Speaker 1: was a little older, so low. It was probably like
Speaker 1: because I think he liked three. He's like four years
Speaker 1: older man things, so he was a little older. But yeah,
Speaker 1: we was kids, man, and it wanted about the money,
Speaker 1: wanted about nothing that we were just like we want
Speaker 1: to hit that role. Bro was having fun. We was
Speaker 1: having fun. Bro. We was having fun. Bro. We was
Speaker 1: packing out. We was packing out places people. We would
Speaker 1: get the cities late sometime they wait, it was bad, bro,
Speaker 1: it was bad. I mean it was bad, bad, And
Speaker 1: so I got a chance to see up close how
Speaker 1: John um just cultivated people who weren't used to seeing
Speaker 1: gospel presented in that way because it was a little
Speaker 1: more traditional, you know, the Hawkins and Undrey crowd and
Speaker 1: the Lacostus was a little edgy because they had they
Speaker 1: had they had R and B mainstream audience. But John
Speaker 1: started a youth movement that we had never seen kids
Speaker 1: excited about church until John came on the same So
Speaker 1: what was how did you view John vocally and was
Speaker 1: that a major part of your development in terms of
Speaker 1: your vocal Because when I first time I ever saw
Speaker 1: John in concert, it was the first time I've ever
Speaker 1: seen somebody flawlessly, flawlessly seeing a show from top to bottom.
Speaker 1: Had never ever, you know, that was possible. He's the
Speaker 1: first person I ever saw do that. And of course
Speaker 1: y'all back there and then you harmonize I want to
Speaker 1: love you, and I'm like, you know, losing our minds.
Speaker 1: But was he very, very instrumental in the development of
Speaker 1: of your vocal? Uh? My singing style was completely different
Speaker 1: than his, so uh, I didn't lean into more of
Speaker 1: singing like John more so than the the the teachable
Speaker 1: moments he taught me, like, I never get to this day.
Speaker 1: I use this. I promised to God. I've been singing
Speaker 1: professionally for thirty two thirty three years now, and I
Speaker 1: do this to this day because he told me, I
Speaker 1: never forget. I was on the bus and I sang,
Speaker 1: and I think I crashed the burn. I was fresh
Speaker 1: with him, maybe my first few months with him, and
Speaker 1: I was on the bus crying. I was a kid man.
Speaker 1: I was broken, and uh, he said, we'll get him.
Speaker 1: The more he said, always think before you sing. He said,
Speaker 1: don't be a singer, be a thinking singer. He's a
Speaker 1: thinking man's game. You know where you're going before you
Speaker 1: get there, register your notes in your mind. You have
Speaker 1: to have a lot of stuff going on in your
Speaker 1: mind the same time, before anything comes out of your mouth.
Speaker 1: Go help you with your pitch. Go happy with your tone.
Speaker 1: Your tonalities gonna help you with everything. Think And that
Speaker 1: thing stuck with me to this day. Bro, if I'm
Speaker 1: getting a song, you know, sometimes you start a song
Speaker 1: and that the first note sets the tone. So I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm telling I'm my little secrets, which ain't a big deal,
Speaker 1: but I'll be like, you don't make it sure, get there,
Speaker 1: get there first before because I've already I've processed it,
Speaker 1: and that I'm on it. And then I think, so
Speaker 1: it's like I wasn't Jordan's. Jordan was the type of
Speaker 1: athlete that Jordan would create while he's been here. Now,
Speaker 1: I knew what I was gonna do before I got
Speaker 1: a Yeah. So if I'm a I'm a straighten this out, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do that. I already know where I'm going.
Speaker 1: It lives. It helped me. It helped me eliminate a
Speaker 1: lot of crashes, a lot of accidents, a lot of
Speaker 1: vocal We watched a lot of guys crash, Yeah, because
Speaker 1: they just go for what they know. Now you have,
Speaker 1: you have anomalies. The greatest anomaly of our day right
Speaker 1: now doing that. It's a Cardi quartet. He's the Michael
Speaker 1: Jordan's vocals. It's amazing. He's the Michael Jordan's of male
Speaker 1: vocals here in any job, anything that he opens his
Speaker 1: mouth to do, he just now some more. You got
Speaker 1: Darren Walls from the Walls Group. You got Jane Moore
Speaker 1: we just finished talking about. But it's weird because all
Speaker 1: three of them from Houston, Texas. It's something over there.
Speaker 1: It's something the water, and he's all from Houston. But
Speaker 1: you have people like them. I'm not them. I think
Speaker 1: before I sing and I calculate. So John taught me that,
Speaker 1: and he really honed the gift. He taught me the
Speaker 1: difference between singing live and singing in the studio, because
Speaker 1: it's different. Scared the crap out of me the first
Speaker 1: time I put my headphones on head to hear myself back, like, yo,
Speaker 1: this is he taught me. So those are things I
Speaker 1: got from John Loe. Well, I think Lean Moore on
Speaker 1: how John saying, you know, that's what he got. The heaviness,
Speaker 1: the heaviness the ground. My boys couldn't handle that. I
Speaker 1: could have handled that. Yeah, you gre into it though
Speaker 1: I did. Uh. You know, it's like it's like George
Speaker 1: stuff going to the whole kovid stop shooting three. Your
Speaker 1: body can't like you when my range started decreasing, because
Speaker 1: you know, I still know people like what you're saying. Hi,
Speaker 1: I don't know I can hit a high. No, I
Speaker 1: ain't staying there now much. I used to live there.
Speaker 1: You absolutely, I used to stay there and then but
Speaker 1: now it's now he just did get out of there.
Speaker 1: I'm like, he didn't get out of there. I ain't
Speaker 1: staying there. People like card do on them jumpers, they
Speaker 1: live there. Why are we doing? Everybody gaspel singers just
Speaker 1: pulling harllywater? OK, so can make something? First of all,
Speaker 1: Jay Light's getting pretty skin and pretty here, got all
Speaker 1: his muscles on display. Can I say that? I mean,
Speaker 1: can I have a gift? Y'all got everything? Can I
Speaker 1: have one? I just can't the church saying made yeah.
Speaker 1: So that was for me man, and it cultivated my gift.
Speaker 1: And then what helped me was I listened to you
Speaker 1: Donnie Hathaway's just Stevie one does now in my mama's house,
Speaker 1: though I could listen to nothing that no secular music
Speaker 1: house at all. What never? No, you don't think she
Speaker 1: ever listened I never. No, no, no, no, no, not not.
Speaker 1: You gotta stand She heard it, but it didn't play
Speaker 1: in my house. One of her favorite singers was Charlie Wilson.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you know, but she didn't make that. No,
Speaker 1: but she never played in the house. She would hear
Speaker 1: that a radio station before she do her show, because
Speaker 1: it was it was multiple But yeah, no, no gospel music, no,
Speaker 1: none of that. I mean no, no R and B,
Speaker 1: no hip hop, no rap for sure, nothing nothing but
Speaker 1: gospel music in my house period. It's all I grow up.
Speaker 1: So I had to sneak. I had to sneak and listen.
Speaker 1: And that's when I listened to your Donnie had the
Speaker 1: Ways and your Stevie Wonders and and all these cats
Speaker 1: growing up, and I was like, oh, it's levels of
Speaker 1: this thing. It's levels of this thing, you know, because
Speaker 1: I had I had the Darryl Coley's. Yeah, I had
Speaker 1: the John V. Keys, I had the Marvin Winensimberly McFarland.
Speaker 1: Come on, bro, yeah, come on bro sing with the
Speaker 1: Milton Bronson, the topic community. You know, you had, You
Speaker 1: had that your Kurvey Browns, who's the same as he was.
Speaker 1: He was high, he was. Yeah, So you had I'm
Speaker 1: about to start naming Pempson's that's your reference point. That's
Speaker 1: what I'm about to start naming. Yeah, yeah, don the
Speaker 1: bit shop Wan, that's the piece of Kenny Red. So
Speaker 1: I had that, But bro, when I started hearing see
Speaker 1: gospel music, goals for well, this is how we we
Speaker 1: all gassed no break. Yeah, yeah, I never get j
Speaker 1: J bless me. He'd even know. He helped me tremendously.
Speaker 1: He definitely said something crazy because you're crazy, but I
Speaker 1: had to cut through the wrongness of it, and it
Speaker 1: shifted the trajectory of how I process music and how
Speaker 1: approach music now. Jay said to me, I think it
Speaker 1: was twenty nineteen. I was playing some music for him
Speaker 1: that I had coming out, and j was like, we're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about it. You can saying that, you can say,
Speaker 1: but you gotta pull back. That's what you mean, he said, Bro,
Speaker 1: people can't comprehend all that. They can't comprehend all that.
Speaker 1: You have to balance that out. Hit him, hit it
Speaker 1: when it's needed, but don't leave there, bro, he said,
Speaker 1: you gotta balance that out. And it helped me approach
Speaker 1: You know, I'm a runner, bro. I was known for
Speaker 1: doing runs, doing my riffs, you know, and uh. And
Speaker 1: when Jay said that, I was like, yo, as a
Speaker 1: singer doing this thirty years at the time, I'm still
Speaker 1: learning and you gotta have a teachable spirit. So when
Speaker 1: he said it, it was like he don't even realized
Speaker 1: that it changed everything for me. I had a girl
Speaker 1: did it to me word I was. I was on
Speaker 1: the phone playing her song that I wrote, Okay with
Speaker 1: my keeping, had my key on my track playing and
Speaker 1: I really liked her. I'm just, you know, verse hooking
Speaker 1: in the hook. I'm just I'm just going forward through
Speaker 1: the whole song. I'm just giving you everything I have.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I had John Rollo decks,
Speaker 1: Kim Rollo, deck your roller up. I'm dialing all of
Speaker 1: the rolls. Her little brother in back, like who is
Speaker 1: the ghost you on the look? I'm finished singing a
Speaker 1: song and I'm so proud of my song, and I'm
Speaker 1: singing to the girl like what you think? She's like,
Speaker 1: She's like, you can sing, but you just you do
Speaker 1: too many runs. I don't even know. I don't even
Speaker 1: know what you're saying, Like oh, she said that, And
Speaker 1: I was like, you remember that noise on on on
Speaker 1: on a on a social media, But I do too
Speaker 1: many runs. Spirit runs are everything runs I can do
Speaker 1: every run I can. I'm running for my life, literally
Speaker 1: trying to do I'm running for my life. She said,
Speaker 1: you do too many runs. You do to me and
Speaker 1: listen when she said it, she said it, I was
Speaker 1: I was hurt. I was in my feelings because you know,
Speaker 1: in the d M v D, I'm the guy absolutely
Speaker 1: in my group with the guys and it's because we've
Speaker 1: run so crazy. When she said that, it broke me down,
Speaker 1: so crazy that I was like, I was like, I
Speaker 1: was like, do I do too many runs? Okay? Talk
Speaker 1: to yourself at this one. And it made me dive
Speaker 1: into Fred Hammond. Yeah man, yeah man. And for a
Speaker 1: year I didn't do no runs. I said, what would
Speaker 1: Fred do? What I did? For a year? And that's
Speaker 1: why you have the balance. See, I think the greatest
Speaker 1: misconception that anybody can have is just because I don't
Speaker 1: do it doesn't mean I can't can't even for singers
Speaker 1: that believe because they don't do it that somehow it
Speaker 1: doesn't come across that they can sing yes, and see,
Speaker 1: I have to blame one of my mentors for that.
Speaker 1: Kimberrella is responsible for She's the greatest in my opinion,
Speaker 1: this is Meer. Definitely. She's definitely my Mount Mount Rushmore.
Speaker 1: She's one of the greatest voices of all times. Easy money,
Speaker 1: but Kim. When Kim presented that to the world. Everybody
Speaker 1: wanted to do it. That was the measuring stick whether
Speaker 1: you can sing or not. It wasn't toned, it wasn't pitched,
Speaker 1: wasn't placement, it was none of those things. It was
Speaker 1: Kim Bareilly and it it's not her fault, Kimi, but
Speaker 1: I think she was. Kim was Kim was. Kim is
Speaker 1: the first of her kind. Yeah she is. She is
Speaker 1: the blueprint in the foundation what she is like you
Speaker 1: know the she used like she just used some different
Speaker 1: patterns that we had never heard go together before. And
Speaker 1: I was like, what what is that like? Uh wash me,
Speaker 1: uh no, no, no, um no. Her song with Trinity
Speaker 1: Temple for yes when Kirk was right yes, And when
Speaker 1: she's saying that, I was like, what, Yeah, you had
Speaker 1: never heard those patterns never go together. It was a
Speaker 1: cadence bro It was so it was it was so
Speaker 1: different to singers. It was mesmerizing and had to learn
Speaker 1: had we had to learn that. I'll ventured to say
Speaker 1: that for me, there's only two gospel artists that I've
Speaker 1: ever not just learned their songs or their verses or
Speaker 1: their hooks, but I learned their at lips. I learned
Speaker 1: everything that was commissioned because that's the group that's responsible
Speaker 1: for me. I wanted to do music, and Kim Barell
Speaker 1: I knew every ad live. Now, I wasn't dumb enough
Speaker 1: to try it on my own because I'm not doing that.
Speaker 1: But I can sing along to this day with any song,
Speaker 1: any song that Kim did, any album at live, riffs,
Speaker 1: runs and things that people the average person don't here,
Speaker 1: I hear it and it's like and it helped, but
Speaker 1: it helped, it helped moreph something even into in me.
Speaker 1: But I'm wise enough to understand that everybody don't look
Speaker 1: good in everything, and everybody can't do everything. So you
Speaker 1: have to know you have to find like it's nothing
Speaker 1: wrong with being a copycast as long as you copy
Speaker 1: in the right cat right. But at the at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, I never one of the greatest
Speaker 1: compliments I've ever had was you have a unique voice.
Speaker 1: I don't hear anybody that sounds like you. It's because
Speaker 1: I'm intentional about I want the world to know who
Speaker 1: Isaac is. I don't want to be compared to he
Speaker 1: sounthing like and I'm not knocking anybody who gets that,
Speaker 1: but for me, it was a it was a unique thing,
Speaker 1: and so it morphed and and it led every decision
Speaker 1: I made vocally and even how I move now. It's
Speaker 1: like that, But Kim was it was there's something about
Speaker 1: knowing when someone comes in, when they when when they
Speaker 1: come in on the song, and it grew ooping anything like,
Speaker 1: there's just some it's just something to that and that
Speaker 1: individuality of being able to carve out a space of no,
Speaker 1: that's such and such as soon as that first notice hit, Yes,
Speaker 1: something special with that. I've always been winning. I've been
Speaker 1: willing to win and lose with that. Okay, I want
Speaker 1: my voice to be my voice. I don't want Yes,
Speaker 1: there are there pieces of my voice that I feel
Speaker 1: like sound like someone else's. I have little things, but
Speaker 1: I sound like me. Got a bad bad Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people can't. No, no, they
Speaker 1: don't hide under someone else's voice. But that's culture. That's
Speaker 1: not just in singing, that's in fashion. That's how we
Speaker 1: do a lot of things. It's like we are a
Speaker 1: carbon copy of of what we want to be, versus
Speaker 1: leaning into who you are? Are you little Chris Brown's
Speaker 1: gotta relax? Yeah, Chris Brown is Chris Brown. Period. But
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear you outing like it's not
Speaker 1: gonna it's not gonna work. Get your own voice. It's like,
Speaker 1: I love the uniqueness of people because that's that's a
Speaker 1: compliment that it says to me. I believe in me
Speaker 1: even if you don't. And I'm I'm bold enough to
Speaker 1: take this path because I'm gonna make you know me
Speaker 1: one day. And people that work hard at that they
Speaker 1: cut through. It's like I'm gonna sleep on that songe.
Speaker 1: But he got some over here, you know. And you've
Speaker 1: got to know how to grab all of the information.
Speaker 1: With all of that information, that is how you ultimately
Speaker 1: build yourself, grabbing those pieces from all of those different
Speaker 1: moments and knowing again what you said, which is so perfect,
Speaker 1: what fits you. Yes, every every vocal technicality doesn't work
Speaker 1: for your voice, It doesn't work for you. My question
Speaker 1: to you is you've listened to so many people. You
Speaker 1: named them the gospel artists, all that, the mainstream artists,
Speaker 1: but yet and steel Bro I hear tank, I never
Speaker 1: hear you and be like, that's a DERI Coley ran, Oh,
Speaker 1: that's like something I would do. I've never ever from
Speaker 1: the first song to this present album that I have,
Speaker 1: and I listened to all Tanks records. I want all
Speaker 1: the church people to know that, Uh, in January I
Speaker 1: would have been married twenty years. I will be married
Speaker 1: twenty years and I never never ever had a had
Speaker 1: a prayer meeting with my wife off of a gospel song.
Speaker 1: Come and talk about it. So Tank has been very
Speaker 1: instrumental in the ministry, and you're keeping me married. But
Speaker 1: what is that, bro Um, it's our podcast. We suppose
Speaker 1: we interview him. But if y'all passing the flowers, all
Speaker 1: y'all got all y'all getting flowers, This is just a
Speaker 1: flower pot. It's what it's what I just said. It's
Speaker 1: all the pieces of John Um, darryl Isaac Lowell, Eric Dawkins, Um, Kimberrell,
Speaker 1: of course I named one. Kimberly, McFarland's very sneaky Um,
Speaker 1: Fred Hammond, my quiet favorite, my quiet two favorite pieces
Speaker 1: of my vocal h Mitchell Jones stokely. Yes, lord, Um,
Speaker 1: it's grabbing. It's all of those. It's grabbing a piece
Speaker 1: from all of those people, whether it be a texture um,
Speaker 1: whether it be a cadence um, whether it be a rhythm,
Speaker 1: all of just one little thing from all of them
Speaker 1: to build me. And so and if you, if you,
Speaker 1: if you really listen to everything, you'll hear all of
Speaker 1: those people. So you can't, you can't. You can't. You
Speaker 1: can't narrow me down into one person, because within within
Speaker 1: one run, I'm gonna do four different people. That's clever, bro, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's clever. I'm saying I kind of got the same path.
Speaker 1: I kind of got the same path, bro, honestly, because
Speaker 1: when I think about it, I'm not gonna be arrogant
Speaker 1: at like I came over with this on my own.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm standing on the shoulders of so many
Speaker 1: great singers, both gospel and mainstream. And it's like, Bro,
Speaker 1: it's like building a vocal. It's like builder bear, like
Speaker 1: building a vocal. It's like, I gotta I got the
Speaker 1: arm of Dottie Hathaway, I got the leg of of
Speaker 1: of Stevie. Don't worry about that. We're gonna get to
Speaker 1: We're gonna get So it's like for me, it's like
Speaker 1: it's so cleverly done. But I'm gonna tell you that,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell the dopeness of that. That methodology, it's
Speaker 1: how you do all of that and still find a
Speaker 1: way for you to cut through. That's the genius in there, yourself.
Speaker 1: You don't lose yourself. It's like, I take this, this, this, this, this,
Speaker 1: but God still gave me a gift with which leads
Speaker 1: me to this. And I have to say this. I
Speaker 1: came for two reasons. I came to share with you guys.
Speaker 1: But I gotta say something to you. I gotta say
Speaker 1: something to you. First thing that you man of God. Man,
Speaker 1: you gotta given of God your next. But you know
Speaker 1: your next, because we'll see see what your that's up. Man,
Speaker 1: Your yours, come yours, come yours. Have a special noting
Speaker 1: on it, difficult, all hating on it. I like it, trank,
Speaker 1: God gave you an amazing gift. I think it's lightweight,
Speaker 1: selfish and um kind of bold for you to take
Speaker 1: it away from us. Mhm. I don't think it's fair.
Speaker 1: I understand evolution, but I don't think you have to
Speaker 1: stop a thing to start something fresh. Bro, I need
Speaker 1: to recant this whole retirement thing. You don't understand. Music
Speaker 1: is at an all time decline, is changing, and we
Speaker 1: can't afford to lose greatness. So you need to talk
Speaker 1: to your wife, talk to Ja, and y'all figure out
Speaker 1: how how can I still do this on my own
Speaker 1: terms when I can around the time that I can
Speaker 1: other things I'm trying to evolve and get into and do.
Speaker 1: But Bro, that's God's gift. You can't cut God's gift off.
Speaker 1: You can't cut. You can't say God gave me this
Speaker 1: and I'm going now cut now. You can't do that. Now,
Speaker 1: you can't do that. So you'all talk about that later. Now,
Speaker 1: you men God, Now you man of God. J I,
Speaker 1: I appreciate you. J Is. Jay is a silent person
Speaker 1: that has kept me literally moving in a pack that's
Speaker 1: were moving away from a pack that's traditionally going in
Speaker 1: one direction in terms of what I do on my
Speaker 1: side of music gospel. Uh. Jay is a person I
Speaker 1: called for ideas, concepts. I bounced things off of him,
Speaker 1: And Bro, you don't understand, like how much insight you've
Speaker 1: given me, Like if I could afford you, I'll probably
Speaker 1: hid just my manager. But the way my bank account
Speaker 1: set up is don't work like that. And then you
Speaker 1: know you did the shirt? Yeah, No, silk and leather
Speaker 1: very together. It's like sleather, you know. But Jay is Bro,
Speaker 1: Jay has not only uh giving me insight on the
Speaker 1: music side, but the entrepreneurs side. Bro. You opened my
Speaker 1: eyes and open my mind, and I believe that. To me,
Speaker 1: I'm always a student. Bro. I never get to a
Speaker 1: place where I can't learn from somebody. And it's it's
Speaker 1: invaluable money. I would I couldn't have enough money to
Speaker 1: pay you for the things that you've given me. And
Speaker 1: I've literally walked these things out and I'm reaping the
Speaker 1: benefits of just come. Me and j don't talk a lot,
Speaker 1: but we talked, were talking. We talk, you're talking. We're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about three four months. But when we talked,
Speaker 1: he dropping knowledge, he dropping jams, he dropping bombs, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, bro, and I just wanted to, like openly
Speaker 1: just say, Bro, I thank you. Man. No, don't say no, man,
Speaker 1: just say okay, let's say you. I wantna say how
Speaker 1: I ever saying, Brother, Jay, you ain't too light ski
Speaker 1: to get slapped by. Just say thank you. Everybody wants
Speaker 1: to keep it on them. I want to keep I
Speaker 1: want to keep no. I want to see getting mad
Speaker 1: keeping on them. Just you welcome, man, No, no, seriously,
Speaker 1: no all jokes aside um for the people that I
Speaker 1: truly care about, which you are one of them. Bro,
Speaker 1: I'll give whatever knowledge that I possibly have or whatever
Speaker 1: ideas that I possibly have. And you know, I I
Speaker 1: appreciate the fact that my career is going in in
Speaker 1: a very I'll get the odds. The best way that
Speaker 1: I can put my career path is, you know, it's
Speaker 1: it's it's not straight lined at all. And I've been
Speaker 1: able to be helpful to people who were already established
Speaker 1: and that's tough. That's even tough for for me to
Speaker 1: even at times when I'm realizing, like I'm being very
Speaker 1: honest with someone who's already accomplish something that's good. And
Speaker 1: that's a hard place to be in at times because
Speaker 1: you're just like, are they really gonna listen to me?
Speaker 1: And these are my friends, but I can't be anybody
Speaker 1: but myself, and I have to and I you know,
Speaker 1: these are all things that I go through my mind
Speaker 1: where I'm like, no, I probably should sugarcoat right now,
Speaker 1: but it's not in me one. And I don't think
Speaker 1: that they called me for that. I think they called
Speaker 1: me or asked me for what my opinion. Truly, you're
Speaker 1: never gonna get a water down version from Jay. No,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be what it's gonna be, and and and
Speaker 1: and you appreciate it. Bro, It's like it's it's invaluable. Bro.
Speaker 1: Like I just think people. I say this all the time.
Speaker 1: Everybody wants to shine, but nobody wants to buff man. Man,
Speaker 1: everybody want to shine. Everybody want to be lights, camera action.
Speaker 1: But the buffing is the work, Bro. It's the work
Speaker 1: you got to put him to get that shine on
Speaker 1: that shoe. And so it's like, Bro, it's it's that
Speaker 1: buffing thing that produces the shine it produces. You know,
Speaker 1: I'll see jail TV front row courtside, foot on the
Speaker 1: wood and I'm you know, I'm a dumb nick I'm
Speaker 1: gonna call him yeah the game, Yeah, but but I
Speaker 1: do that. But I think the thing that blesses me
Speaker 1: is he answers. But sure he answers, bro, And if
Speaker 1: you don't answer, he's gonna call me back that it's
Speaker 1: the small things type don't answer. That is not true,
Speaker 1: take no answer. My pastor says it like this phone.
Speaker 1: He said, we're not gonna sanitize this thing to make
Speaker 1: it look good for TV. Now we're gonna call it
Speaker 1: a spade. This, Tak, don't. And now when you see
Speaker 1: tight he go, be consistent. Yes, he goes, he goes.
Speaker 1: So you love he never Hollywood. I don't care who around.
Speaker 1: He is the most genuine. But that phone, he ain't
Speaker 1: gonna answer. Yeah, that is not true. Now you got
Speaker 1: your mama's It's not true. Not true. The only time
Speaker 1: I don't answer my phone is if my wife don't
Speaker 1: let me. But that's it. I call you when you're
Speaker 1: not with Jana Zena. Sorry, I'll think about Martin. Please editor,
Speaker 1: please edit it. I call you when you went with Zena. Bro,
Speaker 1: It's not true. Zena was not in Atlanta when you
Speaker 1: had your show and I called you and you didn't answer.
Speaker 1: That's not true, Tak. You know the Bible says that
Speaker 1: all liars, he say something he saying for your says
Speaker 1: all liars, man. But what I believe to be the truth,
Speaker 1: I subscribe to. Man. There's your side of the story,
Speaker 1: there's my side of the story, and we will meet
Speaker 1: somewhere in the middle. Well, the Bible, I'm talking about
Speaker 1: the Bible. Yeah, it's not it's a non negotiable version.
Speaker 1: Who this is King James version. They want to play
Speaker 1: for the Lakers. This is this is not true and money. Anyway,
Speaker 1: back to you, you UM talk about your transition from
Speaker 1: you know, from you you're with John. You guys are
Speaker 1: beyond successful um and deciding, hey, maybe there should maybe
Speaker 1: there should be a group. Maybe maybe Lowell, maybe we
Speaker 1: should put something together and venture out on our own
Speaker 1: and have our own success. What is the thought process going. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was a hard trans issue, man, because you know,
Speaker 1: I believe that sometimes you can stay in the nest
Speaker 1: too long and then sometimes you can leave too soon.
Speaker 1: For sure, it's a curse of both of them. So
Speaker 1: it's all about time. You all about time and right
Speaker 1: about right. So when we when we did it, it
Speaker 1: was scary. Uh. John had taught us enough, we knew enough,
Speaker 1: we saw enough to feel like we can try a
Speaker 1: hand at this. So the concept behind our group was
Speaker 1: and we talked about all the time. Lowell was a
Speaker 1: huge Winding fans, which which I am too. But he
Speaker 1: was a huge Winding fans. He preferred the Windings over commission.
Speaker 1: I was a huge commission fan. I preferred Commissioner. We
Speaker 1: should have an intervention on that, but that's political. We
Speaker 1: should have an intervention with him on that, but just's
Speaker 1: we'll get to him. But the thing was, we were like,
Speaker 1: how can we make this the best of both worlds.
Speaker 1: Let's be a group that can do what the Windings
Speaker 1: do because also watch this, the Wine is couldn't do
Speaker 1: what Commission could do, and Commission couldn't do what they did.
Speaker 1: They were in the same city, paving and trailing the
Speaker 1: same road. They were literally into different lanes. For sure.
Speaker 1: The Wine is one more churchy Marvin all Gas, no break,
Speaker 1: he coming for you. Commission was harmony, mess and swaggy
Speaker 1: and what nineties R and B will becomes what listen
Speaker 1: all y'all that love nineties R and B talk about it.
Speaker 1: Come on, go back and listen to Commission. You will
Speaker 1: get everything that you've been looking for. I'm telling you
Speaker 1: so the harmonies and acapellas that the chancel. So I
Speaker 1: was like, yo, let's merge the two worlds. No group
Speaker 1: has ever been the best version of both of them.
Speaker 1: So that was our concept. I think when Ministana came
Speaker 1: out of nine ninety six, we didn't realize that we
Speaker 1: were two years two male groups kind of phasing out
Speaker 1: m HM even in gospel, because most male groups were traditional. Okay, uh,
Speaker 1: because commission when we started, commission was kind of fraided,
Speaker 1: already left. I was leaving, uh, and the wines were
Speaker 1: kind of, you know, chilling a little bit. So we
Speaker 1: were trying to feel this void. And music was evolved
Speaker 1: and Kirk was on the scene. So you had you
Speaker 1: had somebody who was the biggest gospel artist and you
Speaker 1: couldn't dance. We couldn't dance, and he couldn't say, Man, Kirk,
Speaker 1: you know I love you. You know what it is
Speaker 1: a great expressionist. He expresses his thought. Well, that's one
Speaker 1: of my closest friends. He is my mentor gig. He
Speaker 1: is every new dance that comes. I was mad at
Speaker 1: Kirk when he first came out, what because I had
Speaker 1: tried to do that very thing he was doing three
Speaker 1: years that you couldn't dance. I could dance. He could
Speaker 1: dance like Kirk can't dance either, Kirk. I'm not rolling
Speaker 1: with you on that. Kirk cannot That is what Kirk.
Speaker 1: I said to Kirk's face, k you can't dance. You
Speaker 1: be moving, he buffed. Now, you don't want to smoke.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna talk about a grown man that can
Speaker 1: literally see on the sofa swinging flakes. Man, I don't
Speaker 1: know even know what that means. You're not gonna do.
Speaker 1: He was trying to let you get out of there.
Speaker 1: We'll say he is not a Marion. Marion, he cannot
Speaker 1: He's Kirk. Kirk is not doing choreography, Kirk and groove.
Speaker 1: He can groove. Damn all right, So listen, So anyway,
Speaker 1: but before that, before that thought, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: not y'all, Tank and you because you you're going to
Speaker 1: I'm going to say from outside of the church. Kurt
Speaker 1: Franklin made us pay attention. He made us pay attention,
Speaker 1: like flat out when Stump get out. They played at
Speaker 1: the club, they didn't have played the club and played
Speaker 1: it everywhere, you know what I mean. Before The reason
Speaker 1: why we're saying, but Stump was no but I'm saying
Speaker 1: I know that, but I'm talking about that really grabbed
Speaker 1: the whole of every every everybody, everybody. It just we
Speaker 1: didn't even listen to it as a gospel record. Ntil
Speaker 1: you really listen, it's like, okay, yeah, but groove was
Speaker 1: so it was it was it was like it was
Speaker 1: just it was just something different and it was something refreshing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a gospel music workshop somewhere, and and hes
Speaker 1: A Kaya had just went on and Kirk was following him.
Speaker 1: And at this time I was still a little bit
Speaker 1: in my failing because I was like, I was the
Speaker 1: first question to try to merge r and be in
Speaker 1: hip hop and gospel. And it didn't work, and didn't work.
Speaker 1: The lights went out, the church was too old. Uh.
Speaker 1: And and so has A Kaya is going crazy, hit
Speaker 1: hit factory bro going crazy. And you know, in my mind,
Speaker 1: I'm like, what is Kirk getting ready to do after this,
Speaker 1: you know, because I'm still still feeling my way about it.
Speaker 1: And Kirk doesn't sing. He said, you guys, y'all have
Speaker 1: heard enough singing. Now that you're now that your hearts
Speaker 1: and minds are ready to receive, let me tell you something.
Speaker 1: And he went there. Someone asked the question. He didn't sing,
Speaker 1: He menaced, he talk, He ministered for thirty minutes and
Speaker 1: killed them killed me. Yeah. I went from you know,
Speaker 1: having my own feelings about my own disappointments to receiving
Speaker 1: a real message heart. He listened, He got to hate
Speaker 1: out my heart, out my heart. I was like, what time, Yes,
Speaker 1: he's amazing. He changed your life, But all jokes aside. Bro,
Speaker 1: he changed mine. He changed my life. I can honestly
Speaker 1: say the man I am the day is because of
Speaker 1: Kurf Frankl, the husband, the man I am, the openness,
Speaker 1: the business that I learned. This man has literally changed
Speaker 1: my life, bro, because he was the first artist that
Speaker 1: cared more about me then he cared about my gift m.
Speaker 1: He would literally call it like, Yo, you're good. How
Speaker 1: are your family? How you doing? Like no, no, not singing,
Speaker 1: not music? How you doing what? I'm sorry? No, no, no,
Speaker 1: and and and and dubbed he duged. It's like, oh
Speaker 1: and years of that. Bro. It's just like he're good dude. Bro,
Speaker 1: He're good dude. They come no better, they come no better.
Speaker 1: I'm blessed to be able to pick up the phone
Speaker 1: and call him, and he answered the phone and we're talking.
Speaker 1: We chop it up, we laugh. We have such a
Speaker 1: balanced relationship. Bro. So I know that feeling like looking
Speaker 1: at somebody and he even says, Bros. He pulled me
Speaker 1: one time. Bro. He said, Isaac, look what God has
Speaker 1: done with a nigger that don't even sing? He said, broke.
Speaker 1: This blows in an industry where it was birth all singing.
Speaker 1: It was birthall singing, Bro. And so that's when you
Speaker 1: know the power of what God can do through somebody's gift.
Speaker 1: When you call and you're chosen, Bro, it doesn't have
Speaker 1: to line up with the way that people feel like
Speaker 1: it has a line up it. See. One thing I
Speaker 1: learned about people a long time ago is people don't
Speaker 1: want you to do what you want to do. They
Speaker 1: really don't want you to even walk the path that
Speaker 1: God has for you. They want you to do what
Speaker 1: they want you the box, their box. As soon as
Speaker 1: you don't oh yeah, ain't, ain't ready and they no, No,
Speaker 1: this is the road that I'm on. And when you
Speaker 1: believe in it. I remember pastors cutting the mic off
Speaker 1: on Kirk and the family. Bro weren't having on that
Speaker 1: dancing and gy writting. Our church cut the mics off,
Speaker 1: kicking them out of churches, I promise to God, Bro,
Speaker 1: kicking them out of churches, turned the mic off, embarrassing him,
Speaker 1: and he kept going. So when that man get on stage,
Speaker 1: and oh, Bro, Bro never forgets. He's never comfortable. He never, Bro.
Speaker 1: I've seen it up close and personal. He don't play
Speaker 1: about his gift because he's like Yo, God want me,
Speaker 1: but he don't need me. M you could use anybody.
Speaker 1: So I think when you take it for granted, Bro,
Speaker 1: that's when it's sounded like zapped from you or that
Speaker 1: grace is that from you? Or or that favor? Like, Bro,
Speaker 1: what you're doing, what y'all doing in the industry, that's
Speaker 1: transitioning from album sales and how the albums you sell,
Speaker 1: what's your first yourself to streaming and Bro, it's unprecedented
Speaker 1: and people wondering why why they ain't doing this and
Speaker 1: why are they doing this? It's favorite, Bro, It's like
Speaker 1: y'all have tapped into something that y'all believe in. You
Speaker 1: found your niche and it's working. So all that stuff,
Speaker 1: it are the things that I try to remember, bro,
Speaker 1: because I just realized, man, that I may never get
Speaker 1: to the pinnacle of what people consider success, But success
Speaker 1: for me is fulfillment, man, and walking to my purpose.
Speaker 1: You know. It's like, Yo, you look at success as
Speaker 1: a grant me and those things are amazing. Those things
Speaker 1: are great, those accolades are incredible level. But at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, Bro, I know a lot of
Speaker 1: people who got grammars that are unfulfilled that I'm not happy.
Speaker 1: And money and money and money. Yeah. My pastor said this, Bro.
Speaker 1: He said, money is not even the top five things
Speaker 1: changed my life. Bro. He was like, if I told
Speaker 1: you I'll give you a million dollars today, but you
Speaker 1: gotta die tomorrow, would you take the million? No? If
Speaker 1: I told you ILL give you a million dollars a
Speaker 1: day and your mama, what's gonna pass? What you think?
Speaker 1: You know? That means that means relationships to me. More.
Speaker 1: If I tell you give a million dollars you have
Speaker 1: to be sick for the rest of your life and
Speaker 1: you couldn't enjoy it. That means health. It's so many
Speaker 1: things that's more important than money. It's it's it's good
Speaker 1: to have. We know that, we know the importance of it.
Speaker 1: But it's prioritizing it's purpose, and it's walking and being fulfilled,
Speaker 1: living up a life where it's like, yo, I do this, bro,
Speaker 1: and I did this, and and I can I can
Speaker 1: take a moment pat myself on the back and said,
Speaker 1: we did we did this. Now let's keep going. Let's
Speaker 1: let's don't live there, let's just keep going. So those
Speaker 1: are the lessons I've learned, man, and I am a
Speaker 1: byproduct of all of those people that poured not just
Speaker 1: musical tips into my life, but wisdom and uh. And
Speaker 1: I I think I've been called to sing, but also
Speaker 1: to be a bridge, uh, to help people get from
Speaker 1: this place to that place. So that's that I think
Speaker 1: that's what my purpose is. Bro So menistanding around me,
Speaker 1: Oh Lord, I have permission meets to win that put
Speaker 1: the group together. And now, is this the first time
Speaker 1: you're in the business of gospel music or were you
Speaker 1: in the business of God for music when you were
Speaker 1: with John P. Kira? Was he just protecting y'all? Y'all
Speaker 1: with him me taking care of straight he did that.
Speaker 1: This was the first time. This is the first time
Speaker 1: you're experience, So you're experience in the business. How is
Speaker 1: the gospel music business? If you can be as candid?
Speaker 1: I mean, I know you're gonna be a candid because
Speaker 1: you Isaac, and just where it stops you. That's a
Speaker 1: good question. How is the gospel? How is the gospel
Speaker 1: of music? Because I don't know anything about the gospel
Speaker 1: of music business. Like I had remember having a conversation
Speaker 1: with my brother who was going from doing secular music
Speaker 1: to sacred which I've learned in the last ye, I
Speaker 1: didn't know that term. I didn't know secular learning with
Speaker 1: the Bible study. Come on, man, a brother can read
Speaker 1: definitely that I can do. Right. So, but I remember
Speaker 1: having a conversation with my brother and him being like, Jay,
Speaker 1: you know, I need you to help me with something,
Speaker 1: and I was like, bye, bye, it's nowhere in the world.
Speaker 1: I don't. I just those are two different businesses. Now,
Speaker 1: I may know somebody in R and B that may
Speaker 1: be connected to something in Gospel, but those you you're
Speaker 1: gonna have to go fully learn that world that I
Speaker 1: have no idea, and I have no I have no
Speaker 1: stake in that world, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know what to tell you. So to answer
Speaker 1: that question, a contract is a contract, of course, So
Speaker 1: the same Gospel contracts that that that that labels present,
Speaker 1: it's probably the same contracts that y'all get, just the
Speaker 1: money is significantly different. It's like night and Day tanks tanks.
Speaker 1: Tanks budget when they were budgets and with labels was
Speaker 1: considerably like night and day, like one end of the
Speaker 1: world to the other end. So they pretty much telling
Speaker 1: you all this is for the Lord. No not. I
Speaker 1: know that's what they was telling Tank when he was
Speaker 1: playing not not not not. The is this gospel. So
Speaker 1: when you talk about labels, they still function as a label,
Speaker 1: still give you contracts. They still give you terrible contracts.
Speaker 1: That how can you give someone a terrible contract in gospel?
Speaker 1: Because this because the people who own the companies are
Speaker 1: not Christians or they're just successful, rich people that inherited
Speaker 1: this business. That higher people to say we're gonna do
Speaker 1: an inspirational uh uh label. There isn't necessarily conscience, no no, no,
Speaker 1: So you might you might look up and get a
Speaker 1: believer or Christian that is your label exact, that understands
Speaker 1: the nuances of what it takes to do this. They
Speaker 1: move it a little more compassion. But the contract comes
Speaker 1: from coming from a rich business owner who's been owning
Speaker 1: the company for years. And that's like it's about money
Speaker 1: for me. I don't care about all that. So these
Speaker 1: labels are such and such gospel, such and such gospel
Speaker 1: instead of it just being a gospel label. Period ran
Speaker 1: by Gospel. The only gospel label that I knew that
Speaker 1: started from where it was what the owner was Gospel,
Speaker 1: The owner was Gospel. All the way down to everybody
Speaker 1: who worked was gospel centered. That's the labor of Kurt Frank,
Speaker 1: Vicky Matt that she owned it so she was a believer. Uh.
Speaker 1: But you know when money happens and things happen and
Speaker 1: other people get their hands in it. Uh, it can
Speaker 1: change the trajectory of how you see it. So we
Speaker 1: can still get sticky. So I don't want to I
Speaker 1: don't This is the thing I don't want to do.
Speaker 1: I don't want to act like because where gospel that
Speaker 1: we don't have real life issues and we don't do
Speaker 1: unethical things because we do because with people. I think
Speaker 1: what killed what messages that up with people's minds is
Speaker 1: the way we present ourselves. We present ourselves as self righteous.
Speaker 1: We're better than you are. You going to hell if
Speaker 1: you do this? Oh looks at what Look what he's
Speaker 1: saying about. He don't know Jesus, he going to hell.
Speaker 1: But then when you find out you've been cheat on
Speaker 1: your wife, you're you've been stealing from the offering plate,
Speaker 1: but you're talking about how you're talking about him, that's
Speaker 1: when it gets sticky. And that's when you start hearing
Speaker 1: people say stuff like on foods church I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: that turch stuff. I'm good. I'm good right here. That's
Speaker 1: what it is. You have. You know, everybody ain't bad.
Speaker 1: You have bad people that do bad things, even in
Speaker 1: the name of the Lord. So yeah, So it's not
Speaker 1: a gospel thing. It's not like, how can a gospel label.
Speaker 1: It's like it's still business at the end of the day.
Speaker 1: I say it like this. The gospel is free, the
Speaker 1: ministry costs. You want to just sing for the Lord.
Speaker 1: Go to anybody's church. You go to any church or
Speaker 1: any corner and sing for the Lord. But if there's
Speaker 1: an investment. But if there's an investment, you have to
Speaker 1: understand that there is a return on the investment that
Speaker 1: they made in you. There's a there's attorneys, there should
Speaker 1: be negotiations, and a lot of times in our case,
Speaker 1: men the standard we didn't know. So we signed a
Speaker 1: contract and we was happy. Yeah, and we got got
Speaker 1: we got got bad, and we got attorney to get
Speaker 1: out the deal. We had to seal and it went
Speaker 1: through the whole thing. It was bad, man. But it's
Speaker 1: like if this is my whole thing, Okay, I'm dumb.
Speaker 1: I signed a contract. I didn't read it. I didn't
Speaker 1: understand the nuances of the business. That's on me. But
Speaker 1: if I'm honoring my bad contract, you ain't being go
Speaker 1: rape me on top of the fact that you already
Speaker 1: got me and then you gotta go double down on it.
Speaker 1: It's like if you if I'm rocket out, Yeah, it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: we're already getting them, but because they're done, we're gonna
Speaker 1: get them again. No, no, you're gonna do that. That's
Speaker 1: what we gotta go. That's what we gotta go to court.
Speaker 1: And we did that, and you know, we wanted we
Speaker 1: gotta deal a lot of good stuff or whatever. But
Speaker 1: so it's bad people that do bad things, even in
Speaker 1: the church. But it's not I don't think it's a
Speaker 1: church issue or a gospel issue. It's just it's a
Speaker 1: business man and it is there. I'm sorry, Uh, is
Speaker 1: there like there's a full because obviously when you're when
Speaker 1: you're breaking a gospel artist, when you're being broken as
Speaker 1: a gospel artist, is there a path for that as
Speaker 1: well as they're like certain churches around the country that
Speaker 1: y'all go to, that's just like okay, if we if
Speaker 1: we get it cracking at Yeah, it used to be
Speaker 1: new fat bait Baptist. Yeah, you say new fat bait,
Speaker 1: new faith Baptist. You're trying to say new birth. I wasn't.
Speaker 1: He was making up a church. At least give me
Speaker 1: you have a reference point church. I don't have any.
Speaker 1: You don't have any idea? Is that the books Bishop
Speaker 1: TV jas Yeah, oh my God is out of culture.
Speaker 1: We got the Christians Center, okay there, but nope, but
Speaker 1: even even there wasn't no one was coming. Men of
Speaker 1: standard wasn't coming to San Francisco to do the Christian Center.
Speaker 1: I don't ever remember hearing Commission coming to the Christian Center,
Speaker 1: or you know what I mean, Like I just yeah,
Speaker 1: there was a time where there were churches that were
Speaker 1: very very very very very very very very beneficial that
Speaker 1: if I did their church on a Sunday morning and
Speaker 1: I rocked out and I rocked out here this I
Speaker 1: can go to the lobby and sell my CDs and
Speaker 1: then you got and then you got your you got
Speaker 1: your you got your sound scaned sheets. Yeah that if
Speaker 1: you got it's churches in Atlanta, Bro, they've got ten
Speaker 1: thousand cedars sanctuaries. That was packing them out and doing
Speaker 1: three services a Sunday's people. So if you sell a portion, yeah,
Speaker 1: your first week sales, that's arena. That's the arena, your
Speaker 1: first week, and you're gonna do every service. They're going
Speaker 1: to book you for every service. Yeah okay. And then
Speaker 1: what's this? If I'm from my album, you ain't gonna
Speaker 1: pay me? Let me say must ds because it's a
Speaker 1: promotional day for me. Yeah, somebody m c d S label,
Speaker 1: get that cut. I get a cut from c D
Speaker 1: And I gave the church of free performance. Gave church
Speaker 1: free performance, and it was very beneficial until the churches
Speaker 1: started saying, oh we want to oh yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: y'all have to set up to a bookstore. And we
Speaker 1: got to because they want a piece. So start a champ.
Speaker 1: The business kicks in, business kicks. Yeah. I make up
Speaker 1: that new church, new faith, never heart, a new faith.
Speaker 1: But I'm sure. I'm sure it's a new faith. You
Speaker 1: feel me? Church? No, No, it's not okay whatever, I'm out.
Speaker 1: I'm out. This is the only episode in this man
Speaker 1: want to and you still not it is a new faith.
Speaker 1: I'm jay balance somewhere, boy, Um, I can put that
Speaker 1: on those signs that will be outside when you drive
Speaker 1: by at the hurt. Now, I can't put that on
Speaker 1: there be go be women and ain't gonna be good
Speaker 1: for you? Why not because temptation? Because women bring me
Speaker 1: in and now we have a congregation. He backed the
Speaker 1: pimp and you don't hear it? God, you don't you
Speaker 1: see what I'm looking at you. Yeah, it's gonna get
Speaker 1: back to pimp. It's gonna get back to pith, always
Speaker 1: gonna get back to pimping. I think my my early
Speaker 1: experience in the church kind of made me feel like,
Speaker 1: like just what you said, here we go. This is
Speaker 1: what I want to hear there. I want to hear
Speaker 1: this bro there. I mean, we're not gonna go into details, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: but I need I need just give me a a
Speaker 1: brief synopsis without going deep. I want to know what
Speaker 1: what it was there it is. I don't want to
Speaker 1: say word, but this intervention job. Kurt hurt you? Who
Speaker 1: hurt you? Kirk hurts you? Mad kirk k no. Um.
Speaker 1: My home church, my home church had a problem paying
Speaker 1: me so that I could live to do, you know,
Speaker 1: to do three choirs and services and you know not
Speaker 1: now to services. They had a hard time seeing why
Speaker 1: it was necessary to pay me more than fifty dollars
Speaker 1: or seventy the same day. But that was at the
Speaker 1: start of that. Um. Then there was Um, the guy
Speaker 1: who became a mentor, who, um, can me make an
Speaker 1: entire album? Help me help him make an entire album,
Speaker 1: and took all the publishing and production credit even even
Speaker 1: mind UM. And then and then we walked outside of
Speaker 1: church one day and he's beating his wife. UM. And
Speaker 1: then UM, you know, you know, I'm in a group
Speaker 1: and I'm like, guys, I have a vision. God is
Speaker 1: telling me, like, after I go to an immature concert,
Speaker 1: we can't follow three kids, even with the message that
Speaker 1: we have that it's more important because we're not showing
Speaker 1: out for God. M we're just standing behind these microphones
Speaker 1: and doing just enough to get by. These kids showing out.
Speaker 1: That's why they can feel this arena with thousands and
Speaker 1: thousands of people. We can't get a hundre of people
Speaker 1: in the church. And this is for God. God don't
Speaker 1: deserve lights, he don't deserve dancers, He don't deserve like
Speaker 1: we should be given our all. And we did a
Speaker 1: performance and it and it didn't work. More telling that
Speaker 1: the church couldn't handle the power light, shut down tracks,
Speaker 1: shut down everything, beginner show. We finished the show, I
Speaker 1: played the piano, finished the show, and it came back
Speaker 1: to me and said, that wasn't God, that was you.
Speaker 1: You just wanted to be saved God in in all
Speaker 1: this mess. M hm. They walked away from me and
Speaker 1: I was like, can we pause right there? As a preacher,
Speaker 1: which say, let's put a court in the medium park
Speaker 1: right there. I'm gonna look into this is my camera,
Speaker 1: my camera. Let's look into the camera. Da. I'm gonnaok
Speaker 1: into my camera. I'm gonna say this, where are you now?
Speaker 1: I want to know the we those young men are.
Speaker 1: You're watching R and B money. See, this is my issue.
Speaker 1: We have gifts and talents that we run away because
Speaker 1: of religiosity, beliefs that don't line up. But how God
Speaker 1: actually sees us. The Bible says every good and perfect
Speaker 1: gift comes from him. M hm. He's creative all things.
Speaker 1: So if he created you, it's in his image and
Speaker 1: it's in his likeness. I hate the fact that so
Speaker 1: many stories in like yours, Yeah you are, because a
Speaker 1: lot of them in bro, Yes you are a gift
Speaker 1: that was birthed in the church. And because you were
Speaker 1: mishandled and and and rebuked, the is the proper terminology.
Speaker 1: It broke you. Here's what's crazy, though, Prophet Tidd Hall,
Speaker 1: who are you call the names of R and B moneys?
Speaker 1: Who who I would then um open up for when
Speaker 1: he come to I did not know that. Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: That's my guy. And he he was the person who
Speaker 1: told me it won't be in here. Sound like him,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be out there, sit that in front of
Speaker 1: the entire congregation. You will not. God is sending you
Speaker 1: out there to do something different. And that was the
Speaker 1: first time I had he at that and even understand
Speaker 1: I didn't even understand what that meant because at that
Speaker 1: time I was like, man, if I can't say, Jesus,
Speaker 1: I ain't doing it. Wow. And that started my journey
Speaker 1: into R and B music. That's amazing, bro, Yeah, that's amazing.
Speaker 1: And I'm willing to I'm willing to go out on
Speaker 1: a lamb to say some of these bites, especially from me,
Speaker 1: will be clipped and reposted on some church blocks with
Speaker 1: some headlines. Isaac Koree went over there to R and
Speaker 1: B money with Tanking, Jay Valentine and compromising and talking
Speaker 1: about the church and trying to make the church look bad.
Speaker 1: Why can't you just stay down. I'm gonna get all
Speaker 1: of it and I'm here for it, Okay'ally it is
Speaker 1: because the truth is the truth, no matter when you're
Speaker 1: in the right right, I'm coming right. I feel like, um,
Speaker 1: we have done that to so many people. Were responsible,
Speaker 1: Bro for telling people. There was an artist that told
Speaker 1: Beyonce she was going to hell absolutely to her face. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: that's wow, You're going to help absolutely. Oh. The list
Speaker 1: goes on and on and on, Bro. And what happens
Speaker 1: is these people are broken now they have, you know,
Speaker 1: their scriptures that they're going to lean on. I'm just
Speaker 1: not a proponent to believe that. Uh. I see. I
Speaker 1: feel like church has created this country club. M. If
Speaker 1: you don't do it like I do it, if you
Speaker 1: don't do it this way, if you don't say it
Speaker 1: this way that, if it doesn't look like this, if
Speaker 1: it's not packaged like this, then you're not one of us.
Speaker 1: You can't come in until we need you to come
Speaker 1: on our show for ratings, until we need you to
Speaker 1: help get our numbers up. And I feel like, Bro,
Speaker 1: you can have a relationship with God and not seeing
Speaker 1: gospel me. I just believe that, and they are. There
Speaker 1: are people who completely wanted to disagree with me. I
Speaker 1: don't I'm not into I don't really care that much
Speaker 1: to argue about it. It's just my belief system. I
Speaker 1: believe that you that's what that leads me to this,
Speaker 1: and I'm sorry apologize to you for them. It's terrible, bro,
Speaker 1: that the church has been responsible for doing people amazing
Speaker 1: gifts like you like that, Bro, And it's it's it's
Speaker 1: not even how, it's not. God didn't hang out with
Speaker 1: the religious people, Bro. He did rock with the perfect
Speaker 1: person that dressed right and got it all right. He
Speaker 1: rocked with the pimps, he rocked with Yeah, he rocked
Speaker 1: with the whole. He rocked with the thieves. He roughed
Speaker 1: with a man, a man killed another man's another woman's
Speaker 1: husband just so he can sleep with her. Absolutely good man.
Speaker 1: After You're a man after my own heart. I don't
Speaker 1: understand how we have painted this picture that you have
Speaker 1: to be this in order to get this. It's weird
Speaker 1: to me and you know, to each his own it
Speaker 1: is what it is, um, But Bro, when I tell
Speaker 1: you where we're going and where the world is now
Speaker 1: now you see people everybody back pal Now you hear
Speaker 1: less judgment, you hear you know you hear, you hear
Speaker 1: less of that. Now it's oh, we love everybody, everybody. Well,
Speaker 1: it should have always been like it should have about
Speaker 1: why did society have to shift? And you start shifting
Speaker 1: only because you were afraid to get canceled. You're afraid
Speaker 1: to get exposed. We're afraid to get called out. So
Speaker 1: now I just feel like it did us a disservice. Um.
Speaker 1: But there are a lot of great pastors, a lot
Speaker 1: of great churches, a lot of great believers and leaders
Speaker 1: that are changing the narrative of that. You know, pastors
Speaker 1: like my pastor, Pastor Darius Daniels and Pastor ermal Brian
Speaker 1: And you know when Kanye was able to even come
Speaker 1: to these churches to do their thing. Uh, Charles Jenkins
Speaker 1: and so many pastors have an open mind to understand it.
Speaker 1: Bro it's not about just the four walls, man, It's
Speaker 1: like we got to reach the world. I didn't learn
Speaker 1: any I didn't learn about myself until I left those
Speaker 1: four walls. So I leave church achieved. Rehearsal minister of
Speaker 1: music at my guy's church. I leave rehearsal, get on
Speaker 1: the plane fly of l A to sing backgrounds of
Speaker 1: genuine and you know, get hired for leed job. And
Speaker 1: I learned more about myself in a summer, hey, than
Speaker 1: I had ever learned inside of those four walls. We're
Speaker 1: gonna continue to, um, get you fired on from the
Speaker 1: church by diving into your R and B mind even
Speaker 1: further further than the work. You know, you know not
Speaker 1: that far you No, I'm not. Let's get into your
Speaker 1: R and B information. Brother, Um, I want to know
Speaker 1: your top five R and B artists. Millie doesn't matter,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter what, it doesn't matter, kay number one.
Speaker 1: Now if y'all don't consider them R and B, listen, Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is your brother. Okay. I gotta go Stevie, absolutely
Speaker 1: R and B. Okay, I gotta go, Donnie Hathaway kidding ugly, Stevie, Donnie.
Speaker 1: I gotta go. Michael Jackson, come on, little Michael Jackson
Speaker 1: to Gary Indiana Control. I gotta go Beyonce come on now,
Speaker 1: and uh, I gotta go read the Franklin. I gotta
Speaker 1: go read that list is strong. That's a strong list.
Speaker 1: That's a list. That's a list all powerhouses, and all
Speaker 1: changed the game. Yes, yes, all has to this from
Speaker 1: that day to this present moment, all of them. Fingerprint
Speaker 1: is on the game. Right now, I argue with you're
Speaker 1: not my friend. Okay, all right, all right, okay, you
Speaker 1: did that. You did that, your top five songs your
Speaker 1: mama would let you listen to. I was trying to
Speaker 1: figure out what a minute that's good. I was trying
Speaker 1: to figure out how to wear it. You quick boy,
Speaker 1: you quick on your feet man, Top five songs your
Speaker 1: mom Yes, okay, So I gotta go with Michael Jackson.
Speaker 1: Remember the time shout out, Yes, I gotta go with um.
Speaker 1: I'm about I'm about to trip you out on this one.
Speaker 1: I gotta go. Stevie. Wonder if it's magic m you've
Speaker 1: heard that song? Oh, thank give us something up, give
Speaker 1: us something. Well, let me say this. I could sink it.
Speaker 1: I can't sink it, but it's lyrically incredible. I don't
Speaker 1: want to mess up those lyrics. But it is one
Speaker 1: of the most dynamic songs mm hmm I probably ever
Speaker 1: heard in my life. Okay, Stevie, want that was that
Speaker 1: the first song that's the two. That's number two. Number three, Ah,
Speaker 1: Donnie had to wear a song for you, Yeah, easy
Speaker 1: easy money. Number four Whitney Houston. It wasn't saving all
Speaker 1: my love for you the performance on that song tonight
Speaker 1: after night, oh man. And then um number five, that's
Speaker 1: almost Jesus number five. I gotta go with interesting enough.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with uh the gap band yearning, gap band, yearning,
Speaker 1: no Wow, no argument, learning, keep on yearning. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: can't keep running it out of my life. It's a
Speaker 1: great lyric. Oh, that's a great lyric. When't dissect that lyric.
Speaker 1: But I ain't gonna lot of bro man to me,
Speaker 1: that's a gospel song. Let me tell you why. If
Speaker 1: you look at that, bro, that's God saying to us,
Speaker 1: you can't keep running and none of my life. Yea
Speaker 1: flip that at a decision my heart. Come on, that
Speaker 1: is yearning for your love. That's crazy. That's crazy. Real vocals, girls,
Speaker 1: real real vocals, real live goats. You heard him, heard him,
Speaker 1: you heard him, real life goats. Here all right, here
Speaker 1: we go, here we go, um R and B votron.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put you gonna put your your your your vote,
Speaker 1: trying R and B singer together. Vocals uh, performance style,
Speaker 1: styling and passion. Who you getting a vocal from? Who?
Speaker 1: This is crazy? I'm getting the vocal cato. Mighty bro,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take Jasmin Sulloman's vocals. M I'm coming hard.
Speaker 1: I'm taking Jasmine the gate. Who's performing style? Beyonce? H Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what it be. It's a lot, It's a lot.
Speaker 1: That's a lot. Styling. Who you want him to look like?
Speaker 1: What are you gonna put them three ads on? Mm
Speaker 1: hmmm mhm. They got they gotta look like the goat.
Speaker 1: They gotta let MJ. In terms of lights, camera action,
Speaker 1: every child had to have a costume. Ever every jacket
Speaker 1: had the sod the jacket that had the penny loafer
Speaker 1: like nobody nobody will ever ever ever, everybody either wanted
Speaker 1: or had a jacket with ten thousand zippers. What that
Speaker 1: is when you see do you have one? You didn't
Speaker 1: have one, couldn't afford had one? You have one? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you definitely had one. Your parents, your parents? Good for you?
Speaker 1: Are you staying what? Man? I wasn't stick you know,
Speaker 1: had a bike business? Was nine. I did have a
Speaker 1: bike business. That's a that's a whole another story. You
Speaker 1: been an entrepreneur from day one? Oh, no, period. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna find it. Yeah, you got, you got, you got.
Speaker 1: You gotta have style like m jour. Who are you getting?
Speaker 1: The heart from the passion? The passion? Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna have to take Uh, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have to take a read this passion. He's gonna say that,
Speaker 1: he's gonna say that, you can't go to the grand
Speaker 1: mas and Papa, Papa, Papa the opera singer. He lost
Speaker 1: his voice. He can't saying. And the sound check they
Speaker 1: like asked, you can't you do it? Is that what happened?
Speaker 1: That's crazy sound check? I think I heard that, and
Speaker 1: she said give me a minute. She learned it in
Speaker 1: sound check and smashed it on the show that night
Speaker 1: and she had never done it. And end the other language.
Speaker 1: That's passion. That's that's what I call she cared. Cared.
Speaker 1: That's care. Bro. You let me tell something you can't
Speaker 1: care and get away with it. Somebody gotta pay for care.
Speaker 1: You can, bro, when you care, you got me, you
Speaker 1: got me in hello hm. A lot of people don't care,
Speaker 1: a lot of people just going with the gift. But
Speaker 1: when you care hmm, hit different. It hit different when
Speaker 1: you care, bro, because it comes from a different place,
Speaker 1: You pulled from a different whale. Yeah, man, so wow,
Speaker 1: I think I think I think that person they wor Bro,
Speaker 1: that's a good vote, like great vote. You know. We
Speaker 1: also have a segment, Oh God, this is Jay segments
Speaker 1: so supposed to be fathers, brothers. Listen, many very important
Speaker 1: part of the show. It's called I ain't saying O name,
Speaker 1: Oh God. And in this story it can either be
Speaker 1: funny or messed up. See how I've never said that word.
Speaker 1: I have not cursed one time this episode. Yes, no, listen, listen,
Speaker 1: I ain't recently because all the time you call me,
Speaker 1: we ain't on the phone. Right now, we're in front
Speaker 1: of them people, right We're We're about a new faith,
Speaker 1: new faith Baptist church. Have a knock on people. Not
Speaker 1: curse one time? Thank you, brother. I might have cursed
Speaker 1: like ship. I don't know. No, I'm not. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna do it. I'm gonna make it through the first
Speaker 1: time ever. Huh. Never, Bro, Never could I ask you
Speaker 1: why I like the cuss? No? No, I asked me
Speaker 1: why you haven't cussed? Like, you know, you didn't have
Speaker 1: to change for me. I know, I know, so what
Speaker 1: you know, I like to challenge myself. I like, I
Speaker 1: like your style, guy, But it's actually but it's also
Speaker 1: I think it's also what you said to it's a
Speaker 1: reference to the people who are watching. Yeah, and its
Speaker 1: people you bring to the table. Absolutely, I think it's
Speaker 1: a shirt. Now I've cursed in way, silky shirt. Well
Speaker 1: me in my community, we thank you, um some of
Speaker 1: them because I still love Jesus. But it's all good, man.
Speaker 1: You don't ever have to You don't ever have to
Speaker 1: dumb down. You're not dumb, but you don't have to
Speaker 1: do that. But that that man, it's all good. So
Speaker 1: the story can need to be funny and messed up. Okay,
Speaker 1: are both funny and messed up. The only rule to
Speaker 1: the story is that you can't say the names. You
Speaker 1: can't say to people that's involved. So this is Isaac Cries,
Speaker 1: Isaac Kyrie. It's definitely flat. This is Isaac Crees. I
Speaker 1: ain't saying on names. So the time that little Willis
Speaker 1: and CARDI I'm joking, man, totally joking. Okay, I'm not
Speaker 1: saying on names. Go with me all right. So there
Speaker 1: was a time I was doing a show and I
Speaker 1: was on the road with someone else and in the
Speaker 1: middle of the show while they were performing, Uh yeah,
Speaker 1: they they shot it on themselves. Did they have on white? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: they shot on themselves and did it got bad? And
Speaker 1: I'm a person that you all know me, but for
Speaker 1: anybody out there who don't know me, which is probably
Speaker 1: a lot of people, you can I can't hold my laugh.
Speaker 1: And it's not just a laugh. It's not as I'm weeping.
Speaker 1: I'm a crier and I'm weeping like like Jesus wasn't
Speaker 1: the back of the boat just he he did, said
Speaker 1: Jesus wept shortest Bible versus the Bible. I was weeping. Bro,
Speaker 1: could not I could not get myself together, and it
Speaker 1: wasn't and they couldn't get They eventually got the stage.
Speaker 1: But when I tell you about how they got the stage,
Speaker 1: it was know what, I don't know, Bro, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just know it was bad. Bro,
Speaker 1: it was bad. And I was like, Wow, And I
Speaker 1: never forgot that moment. And me and a couple of
Speaker 1: my friends we laugh about that to this day. Wow.
Speaker 1: But it was bad. Yeah, that would be that that
Speaker 1: would be tough. That would be tough to get to,
Speaker 1: Like I know me, I would have to be like, hey,
Speaker 1: hey guys, we're gonna be right back. Yeah. It was
Speaker 1: cleaned up, and the walk off was still. I don't
Speaker 1: know why us stiff in the walk it's done. No,
Speaker 1: I think the walk off is stiff because it was
Speaker 1: more than it was just like its kind of like, oh,
Speaker 1: I've been there. Not on stage, Oh I've been there.
Speaker 1: I've been there that those stage, my ministry man, dog,
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, that's just a regular poop. You know.
Speaker 1: Give me that great goose, make me drink. We have
Speaker 1: we have been blessed um beyond measures looking at me, wait,
Speaker 1: um by our brother, our friend, UM vocal theologian, the incomparable,
Speaker 1: the incomparable. Um you are him. I had I just
Speaker 1: we were just I was just hosting a club in Atlanta,
Speaker 1: and he blessed us with his presence. And I looked
Speaker 1: at him while I was singing this particular song, and
Speaker 1: I was like, He's like, no, no, good, I'm good.
Speaker 1: I'm good. You're gonna sing on this song as a career,
Speaker 1: and you're gonna sing it good. And in the middle
Speaker 1: of this club that was you know club. They don't
Speaker 1: they don't know who as a career is. But I
Speaker 1: promise you this. When he finished singing, he absolutely wanted
Speaker 1: to know who he was. And I looked at the bank.
Speaker 1: What do you want me to do with this? How
Speaker 1: that you've done that? Um? Thank you Mann, Thank you
Speaker 1: as always man for being an inspiration. Um for being
Speaker 1: a brother to us, and hum for giving us, giving
Speaker 1: us jims Man, giving us insight, giving us the lessons.
Speaker 1: I mean, because making it practical. It's very hard thinking
Speaker 1: all of that makes sense in real life. It's difficult.
Speaker 1: And you do that well. You know, I will go
Speaker 1: to your church. Yeah I would, Yeah, I would go
Speaker 1: to I don't like what you looked at me when
Speaker 1: I No, that's good because that means, uh that I'm learning.
Speaker 1: I'm doing well. So when you come to Atlanta and
Speaker 1: just come to my church and I'm not the pastor,
Speaker 1: but my pastor is cool and he's a dude that
Speaker 1: you're a rock. Ma'll come from Chilly No no good,
Speaker 1: makes no pangs. He's he's he's been thinking, one of
Speaker 1: the greatest communicators of our time. So yeah, so I'm
Speaker 1: gonna hold you for that. Now, come on, man, there's
Speaker 1: gentlemen again. I'm taking I'm just downtown and this has
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