1 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: R and B money. Well, thank val. We are the 2 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: authority on R and B, Ladies and gen My name 3 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:23,440 Speaker 1: is Tank and this is the arm By Money podcast, 4 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 1: the authority on R and B. Let's go to the word. 5 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 1: You know, a lot of R and B had come 6 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: from the Lord, those those who have been able to 7 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: be successful and have a long tenure. Uh in R 8 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:44,560 Speaker 1: and B has been because of the anointing. My God, 9 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:52,520 Speaker 1: we have a guest on today, on today, my God. Um, 10 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 1: that is a standard. Amen. We won't say is a 11 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: standard of all vocals. Oh my god. I remember watching 12 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 1: him on VHS trying to learn how to perfect my 13 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 1: vocal to sing like this man. I've been studying this 14 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: man since I was in high school. Um, one of 15 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: the most amazing singers I've ever heard in my life. 16 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, him Mr Isaac Curry in the building. Yeah, 17 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: oh my god. Yeah, you take cash out zaiolo, all 18 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 1: of it, all of it. The Church has blessed us 19 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:41,839 Speaker 1: this and the Church has blessed us. It's our first 20 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: guys for artist. Well, let's do this. Can we start 21 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 1: off like this? Let us pray Lord protect me today 22 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: because I'm sitting between ah anointing heaven and hell and uh, 23 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 1: thank would be the heaven now, So cover me so 24 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 1: that I won't fall a straight not strays and bad way, 25 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: but the strass and jays trying to destroy me today 26 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: might get a straight bullet covering me. God, here we go, 27 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 1: rmy money all things? Amen? Amen, Amen, it's him. Take 28 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:27,639 Speaker 1: it's him. What's the vampire movie? Even people happy? It's 29 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: good and it's the rock supposed to do it too? 30 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you. This is bro. You are. Yeah, 31 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: you are our first gospol artist. But you mean so 32 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: much to R and B. Absolutely so much. I mean, 33 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:53,079 Speaker 1: I'm just I can I'm just speaking on my life alone, 34 00:02:54,400 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: like literally high school watching you skipping school age of me. No, no, 35 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: I mean we were close to the same age. You 36 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: just started earlier than you know, you were at a 37 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: different level. True for the gospel. Absolutely, we would we 38 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:14,839 Speaker 1: would leave cut school. We would cut school, my gospel group, 39 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: and we would go back to my to my guy 40 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: Mike's house and we would watch New Life. We would 41 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: watch them. I went further. He cut school. I quit 42 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: school to do it. You did, huh? I dropped out 43 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: of school my eleventh grade year to sing to it, 44 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 1: to get to it, the Lord, don't do that. Kids, 45 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 1: don't finish. You're part of my You're a part of 46 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: my DNA makeup musically completely. Bro. So I am, I am, 47 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: I am. This is the dread, This is the great 48 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: evolution when the teacher then becomes a student. Because, my brother, 49 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: when I tell you, maybe I deserve to this present moment, 50 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: you have shifted the trajectory of the way male vocals sing. 51 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: You know, it's just it's it's just, it's it's special, Bro. 52 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 1: And you have a lot, you know, you have you 53 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: you have people who love good singing and know what 54 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: they continue to be good singing that you know, people 55 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: who can sigg you know, and you it's a huge 56 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 1: difference to think somebody that can sing and somebody who 57 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 1: can sing, who can fit in both worlds because a 58 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 1: lot of people can't come from R and B and 59 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: do gospel. Most people can't come from gospel and do 60 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: the R and B comes across the little corny, little 61 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: cheesy little alright, go back to the Lord, go back 62 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 1: to the quickly ext stage. Right. But that took a minute. Yeah, 63 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: but you have been able to master both of them, Bro, 64 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:47,840 Speaker 1: And I appreciate that. So when I listen to you 65 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: say that to me, it's like as we homies and everything. 66 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: But I'm like, I'm a fan, man, bro, you're you're 67 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:55,799 Speaker 1: you're right here in the hand. It's only five fingers, 68 00:04:56,480 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 1: you're in the hand. So you know, this of course 69 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 1: is celebratory as me, me and my brother Jay like 70 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:05,720 Speaker 1: to do, like we we gotta give you all the 71 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 1: flowers that I know. Every singer that we know it's 72 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 1: staring at you right now as they watch this. So 73 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 1: I know the beginning, but everybody else doesn't know the beginning. 74 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: We'd like to start at the beginning. When did somebody 75 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 1: say to you or somebody say to one of your 76 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:30,280 Speaker 1: family members that boy has got a voice on him. 77 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 1: I'm turning in right now. That boy can say, he 78 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:34,840 Speaker 1: can say showing up and saying to the Lord is 79 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 1: all over him. He's all over song. He gonna end 80 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: up on the song with shots fired. Again, you pray 81 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 1: for this and only my good brother do this to me, 82 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 1: because wow, when beginning, when was it was? It was? 83 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 1: My man, you got rest her? So she just passed 84 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:07,160 Speaker 1: away about three months ago now, and uh, and it 85 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 1: was it was it was it broke me um in 86 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: grief counselor even as I speak, just to get through 87 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: the process. But it was my mom. My mama was 88 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: a beast of a singer. Oh she could sing, bro, 89 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: I'm talking about I'm talking about a little Clark's sisters, 90 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:30,160 Speaker 1: sprinkled in with a little Kimber Rail, sprinkle a little 91 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 1: Shirley Caesar. We're from Greensboro, North Carolina, shout out to 92 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 1: the borough. And and so my mother was a local giant, 93 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:43,159 Speaker 1: giant bro. So she made a sing First of all, 94 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: I hate her singing. When I was growing up, church 95 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:50,280 Speaker 1: went cool, Church went cool. It was church boy, choir boy. 96 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 1: And my mother was like a local celebrity. So she 97 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 1: had her own show called Gospel Expo, which was a 98 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: local version of Bobby Jones Gospel. You really grew up 99 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:04,719 Speaker 1: in it? Oh yeah. So uh what happened was she 100 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: made us go on TV and singing. Oh yeah, six, 101 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 1: I got the videos. I got the videos, me and 102 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: my babies. Terrible crash. I'm talking about it's terrible, bro. 103 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 1: And she was like, you Bett not mess up. Hold 104 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 1: your head up, open your mouth, pronounce your words. That 105 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: ain't right. Yeah, And I'm saying that tears rolling down 106 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: my eyes, shut up and sing how are you shut up? 107 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: And saying we're talking about that all the time. Figure out. 108 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: And it was that upbringing, and I hated it. I 109 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 1: wanted to be cool. I want to play ball. I 110 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: wanted I played basketball, played football. I wanted to be 111 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: cool a little girls. And it was church singing, church 112 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 1: and sing you go to school, you can play, you 113 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 1: can play the sports, but you're going to church, you know. 114 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 1: And uh, it was that and I hate that. I hated. 115 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 1: I hated. I resented it. And it's amazing when you 116 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 1: fast forward from that moment and now the very things 117 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 1: that I hated is the thing that supports me and 118 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: my family and the people that that I undergir and 119 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 1: that that that rock with me. So uh, it was 120 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: my mama, man, and my mom knew John Pikey. My 121 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: mom used to bring John before he put the P 122 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 1: in his name, when he was just John Key. My 123 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 1: mom used to bring John on his show because he 124 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 1: lived in Durham, North Carolina, and he used to come 125 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: up and do her show. And so he saw me 126 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 1: growing up. So he was like Nancy, She's like, oh, no, 127 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: I know, I know. You didn't see it. Oh no, 128 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 1: I hated it. I'm talking about mad And the thing 129 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: that changed my life was it wasn't John. John was 130 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: the person who gave me an opportunity. Commission changed my life. 131 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 1: That was the first group ever in my life that 132 00:08:55,559 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 1: made gospel singing look cool. The hair, the hair, the 133 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:09,079 Speaker 1: parts us, the colors, sound, the sound reformities. They were 134 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 1: so drippy, they was so they were they were fresh. Bro. 135 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, and my mama was not only 136 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 1: a TV host, but she was a radio announcer. So 137 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:20,959 Speaker 1: back in the day, all the gospel artists used have 138 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 1: to come through there and in the radio announcers would 139 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: get tickets to sort out everybody concert. So I'm on 140 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 1: the front row when Commission comes to Greensburg, North Carolina, 141 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: and United the Holy Church on the Highway twenty nine 142 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 1: and I'm sitting there and again this four John Peakey 143 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 1: was John Peeky. John used to be a keyboard player 144 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 1: in Commission. He traveled on the road with them, Oh Bro, 145 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: ask them. He played keys. So when Commission came to Greensboro, 146 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:54,079 Speaker 1: Michael Brooks is on one keyboard, John p Key is 147 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: on another for him, and on the base Michael Williams 148 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:01,719 Speaker 1: on the drums. Keith Carl Mitch rais, Oh yeah, oh, bro, 149 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:05,559 Speaker 1: I did not know that. So I'm on the front 150 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 1: row like in all, I'm like, I want to do this. 151 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: And when the concert was over, I had I had access. Bro. See, 152 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: it's about it's not it's not really about how good 153 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 1: you are. It's about who you know. It's about the 154 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:20,079 Speaker 1: relationships you have in the favorite. And I was able 155 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 1: to go backstage and I walked to the frad Hammit 156 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: and we laughed about it to this day. He over 157 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: really remember I walked to that man, looked him dead 158 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: in his eye and said, when y'all ever started junior commission, 159 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: he paid me in my head. It laughed, and that 160 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 1: started it off for me. So as I grew in 161 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 1: a few more years, as my gifted developed, John Carl 162 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: brought me in met Lowell with John. And then this 163 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 1: point I'm sixteen. I'm sixteen. I'm sixteen, so I dropped 164 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 1: out my eleven grade year. How do you now? Forty nine? Okay, 165 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: forty ninety six. I'm just trying to count the years. 166 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 1: So if you were six team okay, yeah, forty nine now, 167 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: so I was six saying my mother went to a 168 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 1: church conference in Memphis, Tennessee. Church gun Christ is gonna 169 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,719 Speaker 1: be mention, of course, and she went and my mother 170 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 1: made a deal with me. She said, you can sing 171 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 1: with John because John to Charlotte at this at this time, 172 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: so I would have to drive me and my homeboy. 173 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 1: He used to have to drive Marcus Dawson shout out, 174 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 1: he's the Bishop Jake's Oregon player back now he is. 175 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: Back then he was my neighbor homeboy, and we used 176 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 1: to drive to Charlotte, get on the bus, go do 177 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: a weekend because we travel on weekends Friday, Saturday, Sunday, 178 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: back home Sunday night. My mom said, as long as 179 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: you get up on Monday morning to go to school, 180 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: you can do it. The first time you don't get 181 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 1: on a Monday morning to go to school, you're done. 182 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:45,679 Speaker 1: You're done. Ain't nothing to talk about. It's not no, 183 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 1: it's it's as a non negotiable. Okay, Mama, I'm good. 184 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get up. I promise. So first three weeks 185 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:55,199 Speaker 1: I got up, but I was getting home at two 186 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 1: three o'clock in the morning on Sunday nights, coming from 187 00:11:57,760 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: a city, and then have to drive an hour back 188 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 1: to Green's Girl, and then I gotta be up because 189 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:04,719 Speaker 1: I still played sports. I got tutorial and oh I 190 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: want to go to school. Mama, Okay, cool, but then 191 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 1: you don't want to say no, mom, not with him? 192 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:12,440 Speaker 1: And my mother went out of town for a church convention. 193 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,719 Speaker 1: And I went out of town and I went to 194 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 1: Charlotte and I packed my stuff and I never came back. 195 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 1: At what age where you ran away? I ran away, 196 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: moved to Charlotte, dropped out of school, never went back 197 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 1: to greens bro And I was in Charlotte for four years. 198 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 1: Who's your staying with? Wait? Wait wait wait wait wait 199 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:37,679 Speaker 1: wait right, he is watching this and he is dying. 200 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 1: He is dying right now because he knows exactly caught 201 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 1: his went down. Your mama, don't come looking for you know, 202 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 1: she calling, calling, calling, You want the cell phones back then? 203 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 1: Right right now, that's way different times. So three years ago, yeah, 204 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: so she called and calling and calling, and I think 205 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:56,959 Speaker 1: privately it was never revealed to me at that time. 206 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: John called us like I got him, Nancy, I got 207 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 1: him right, because it's also her friend also her friends. 208 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 1: She wasn't like you just ran off, she said John, 209 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:07,560 Speaker 1: take care of my traveling circuit. John, take care of 210 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: my boy. Um I got him and so I didn't 211 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 1: know that though, So I would not call home. You're 212 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 1: just nervous because if I talked to my mom and 213 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 1: I hear her voice. So I called her for like 214 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 1: I want to say, maybe a month and a half, 215 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 1: two months, which is a long time back then, man, 216 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: a long time now. So she she just passed away 217 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 1: to I want the month to months back. I wish 218 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 1: I could get that back. But I didn't call him, man, 219 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: because I knew if I heard her voice, I was 220 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:41,199 Speaker 1: going home. And uh so when I did call her, 221 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 1: she was like, go to school. Her bank concern was, 222 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 1: I trust who you w you gotta go to school? 223 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 1: Never went to school because your junior year too. And 224 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 1: we hit that role, bro. And this was at the 225 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 1: height of John pickI and New life. So you're talking 226 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:01,199 Speaker 1: about he had just come off the heels. It will 227 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:04,439 Speaker 1: be all right, it will be he come up that 228 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 1: into Washington waiting with the blue and the mustard mustard 229 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 1: and the like. Literally, I'm not making this up. I'm 230 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: not lying. People would chase our tour us, bro. These kids. 231 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 1: John is responsible for the youth movement that was introduced 232 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: in the church period, not Kurt, and Kirk says that period, 233 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 1: John started the youth revolution reward, we look like you, 234 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: We sing your songs from the stream. His story. He 235 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: was the first guy that was like so even though 236 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 1: he was older and he could appeal to mam and 237 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 1: them and grandma him, he appealed to He appealed to us, 238 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 1: but then he had us appealed to our own our 239 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 1: own generation. So it was massively the way he did it, 240 00:14:56,520 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: the way he put it together, Bro and it him 241 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 1: that that trio. You know, we was we were special. Bro, 242 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 1: me little Well and John. We was special. We were 243 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 1: special together. It was it was fresh, It was unheard of, 244 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: it was uncut, nobody was doing it. It was different. Yeah, 245 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 1: was a little older, so low. It was probably like 246 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 1: because I think he liked three. He's like four years 247 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: older man things, so he was a little older. But yeah, 248 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 1: we was kids, man, and it wanted about the money, 249 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 1: wanted about nothing that we were just like we want 250 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: to hit that role. Bro was having fun. We was 251 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 1: having fun. Bro. We was having fun. Bro. We was 252 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 1: packing out. We was packing out places people. We would 253 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 1: get the cities late sometime they wait, it was bad, bro, 254 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 1: it was bad. I mean it was bad, bad, And 255 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: so I got a chance to see up close how 256 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 1: John um just cultivated people who weren't used to seeing 257 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 1: gospel presented in that way because it was a little 258 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 1: more traditional, you know, the Hawkins and Undrey crowd and 259 00:15:57,160 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 1: the Lacostus was a little edgy because they had they 260 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: had they had R and B mainstream audience. But John 261 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: started a youth movement that we had never seen kids 262 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: excited about church until John came on the same So 263 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: what was how did you view John vocally and was 264 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 1: that a major part of your development in terms of 265 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 1: your vocal Because when I first time I ever saw 266 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 1: John in concert, it was the first time I've ever 267 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 1: seen somebody flawlessly, flawlessly seeing a show from top to bottom. 268 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: Had never ever, you know, that was possible. He's the 269 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: first person I ever saw do that. And of course 270 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 1: y'all back there and then you harmonize I want to 271 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: love you, and I'm like, you know, losing our minds. 272 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 1: But was he very, very instrumental in the development of 273 00:16:56,000 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 1: of your vocal? Uh? My singing style was completely different 274 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 1: than his, so uh, I didn't lean into more of 275 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: singing like John more so than the the the teachable 276 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: moments he taught me, like, I never get to this day. 277 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,479 Speaker 1: I use this. I promised to God. I've been singing 278 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 1: professionally for thirty two thirty three years now, and I 279 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 1: do this to this day because he told me, I 280 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:26,479 Speaker 1: never forget. I was on the bus and I sang, 281 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:31,440 Speaker 1: and I think I crashed the burn. I was fresh 282 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: with him, maybe my first few months with him, and 283 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 1: I was on the bus crying. I was a kid man. 284 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: I was broken, and uh, he said, we'll get him. 285 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 1: The more he said, always think before you sing. He said, 286 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: don't be a singer, be a thinking singer. He's a 287 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 1: thinking man's game. You know where you're going before you 288 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 1: get there, register your notes in your mind. You have 289 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 1: to have a lot of stuff going on in your 290 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 1: mind the same time, before anything comes out of your mouth. 291 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 1: Go help you with your pitch. Go happy with your tone. 292 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:03,239 Speaker 1: Your tonalities gonna help you with everything. Think And that 293 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 1: thing stuck with me to this day. Bro, if I'm 294 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 1: getting a song, you know, sometimes you start a song 295 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:11,119 Speaker 1: and that the first note sets the tone. So I'm like, 296 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 1: I'm telling I'm my little secrets, which ain't a big deal, 297 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 1: but I'll be like, you don't make it sure, get there, 298 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 1: get there first before because I've already I've processed it, 299 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 1: and that I'm on it. And then I think, so 300 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 1: it's like I wasn't Jordan's. Jordan was the type of 301 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:32,959 Speaker 1: athlete that Jordan would create while he's been here. Now, 302 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 1: I knew what I was gonna do before I got 303 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: a Yeah. So if I'm a I'm a straighten this out, Okay, 304 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do that. I already know where I'm going. 305 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 1: It lives. It helped me. It helped me eliminate a 306 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 1: lot of crashes, a lot of accidents, a lot of 307 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 1: vocal We watched a lot of guys crash, Yeah, because 308 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 1: they just go for what they know. Now you have, 309 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:58,360 Speaker 1: you have anomalies. The greatest anomaly of our day right 310 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 1: now doing that. It's a Cardi quartet. He's the Michael 311 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 1: Jordan's vocals. It's amazing. He's the Michael Jordan's of male 312 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 1: vocals here in any job, anything that he opens his 313 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: mouth to do, he just now some more. You got 314 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:18,360 Speaker 1: Darren Walls from the Walls Group. You got Jane Moore 315 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 1: we just finished talking about. But it's weird because all 316 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 1: three of them from Houston, Texas. It's something over there. 317 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 1: It's something the water, and he's all from Houston. But 318 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:29,119 Speaker 1: you have people like them. I'm not them. I think 319 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 1: before I sing and I calculate. So John taught me that, 320 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: and he really honed the gift. He taught me the 321 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 1: difference between singing live and singing in the studio, because 322 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 1: it's different. Scared the crap out of me the first 323 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:43,440 Speaker 1: time I put my headphones on head to hear myself back, like, yo, 324 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:46,439 Speaker 1: this is he taught me. So those are things I 325 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 1: got from John Loe. Well, I think Lean Moore on 326 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: how John saying, you know, that's what he got. The heaviness, 327 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:56,639 Speaker 1: the heaviness the ground. My boys couldn't handle that. I 328 00:19:56,640 --> 00:20:00,640 Speaker 1: could have handled that. Yeah, you gre into it though 329 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:03,399 Speaker 1: I did. Uh. You know, it's like it's like George 330 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 1: stuff going to the whole kovid stop shooting three. Your 331 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 1: body can't like you when my range started decreasing, because 332 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 1: you know, I still know people like what you're saying. Hi, 333 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:17,119 Speaker 1: I don't know I can hit a high. No, I 334 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:19,200 Speaker 1: ain't staying there now much. I used to live there. 335 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 1: You absolutely, I used to stay there and then but 336 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 1: now it's now he just did get out of there. 337 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:31,400 Speaker 1: I'm like, he didn't get out of there. I ain't 338 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: staying there. People like card do on them jumpers, they 339 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 1: live there. Why are we doing? Everybody gaspel singers just 340 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 1: pulling harllywater? OK, so can make something? First of all, 341 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 1: Jay Light's getting pretty skin and pretty here, got all 342 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:53,719 Speaker 1: his muscles on display. Can I say that? I mean, 343 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 1: can I have a gift? Y'all got everything? Can I 344 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:13,880 Speaker 1: have one? I just can't the church saying made yeah. 345 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:17,879 Speaker 1: So that was for me man, and it cultivated my gift. 346 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 1: And then what helped me was I listened to you 347 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 1: Donnie Hathaway's just Stevie one does now in my mama's house, 348 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 1: though I could listen to nothing that no secular music 349 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:30,639 Speaker 1: house at all. What never? No, you don't think she 350 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,919 Speaker 1: ever listened I never. No, no, no, no, no, not not. 351 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 1: You gotta stand She heard it, but it didn't play 352 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 1: in my house. One of her favorite singers was Charlie Wilson. 353 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 1: Oh my god, you know, but she didn't make that. No, 354 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 1: but she never played in the house. She would hear 355 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 1: that a radio station before she do her show, because 356 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:56,680 Speaker 1: it was it was multiple But yeah, no, no gospel music, no, 357 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 1: none of that. I mean no, no R and B, 358 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 1: no hip hop, no rap for sure, nothing nothing but 359 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,439 Speaker 1: gospel music in my house period. It's all I grow up. 360 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,679 Speaker 1: So I had to sneak. I had to sneak and listen. 361 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 1: And that's when I listened to your Donnie had the 362 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 1: Ways and your Stevie Wonders and and all these cats 363 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: growing up, and I was like, oh, it's levels of 364 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 1: this thing. It's levels of this thing, you know, because 365 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:24,120 Speaker 1: I had I had the Darryl Coley's. Yeah, I had 366 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 1: the John V. Keys, I had the Marvin Winensimberly McFarland. 367 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:31,159 Speaker 1: Come on, bro, yeah, come on bro sing with the 368 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,959 Speaker 1: Milton Bronson, the topic community. You know, you had, You 369 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 1: had that your Kurvey Browns, who's the same as he was. 370 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 1: He was high, he was. Yeah, So you had I'm 371 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 1: about to start naming Pempson's that's your reference point. That's 372 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:56,679 Speaker 1: what I'm about to start naming. Yeah, yeah, don the 373 00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 1: bit shop Wan, that's the piece of Kenny Red. So 374 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 1: I had that, But bro, when I started hearing see 375 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:12,399 Speaker 1: gospel music, goals for well, this is how we we 376 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 1: all gassed no break. Yeah, yeah, I never get j 377 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 1: J bless me. He'd even know. He helped me tremendously. 378 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,959 Speaker 1: He definitely said something crazy because you're crazy, but I 379 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:28,639 Speaker 1: had to cut through the wrongness of it, and it 380 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 1: shifted the trajectory of how I process music and how 381 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 1: approach music now. Jay said to me, I think it 382 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 1: was twenty nineteen. I was playing some music for him 383 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 1: that I had coming out, and j was like, we're 384 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 1: gonna talk about it. You can saying that, you can say, 385 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:48,679 Speaker 1: but you gotta pull back. That's what you mean, he said, Bro, 386 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 1: people can't comprehend all that. They can't comprehend all that. 387 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: You have to balance that out. Hit him, hit it 388 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 1: when it's needed, but don't leave there, bro, he said, 389 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 1: you gotta balance that out. And it helped me approach 390 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: You know, I'm a runner, bro. I was known for 391 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 1: doing runs, doing my riffs, you know, and uh. And 392 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 1: when Jay said that, I was like, yo, as a 393 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 1: singer doing this thirty years at the time, I'm still 394 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,400 Speaker 1: learning and you gotta have a teachable spirit. So when 395 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,919 Speaker 1: he said it, it was like he don't even realized 396 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 1: that it changed everything for me. I had a girl 397 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 1: did it to me word I was. I was on 398 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 1: the phone playing her song that I wrote, Okay with 399 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,159 Speaker 1: my keeping, had my key on my track playing and 400 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:39,399 Speaker 1: I really liked her. I'm just, you know, verse hooking 401 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 1: in the hook. I'm just I'm just going forward through 402 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 1: the whole song. I'm just giving you everything I have. 403 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,159 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I had John Rollo decks, 404 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 1: Kim Rollo, deck your roller up. I'm dialing all of 405 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:56,920 Speaker 1: the rolls. Her little brother in back, like who is 406 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 1: the ghost you on the look? I'm finished singing a 407 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 1: song and I'm so proud of my song, and I'm 408 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:10,879 Speaker 1: singing to the girl like what you think? She's like, 409 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: She's like, you can sing, but you just you do 410 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 1: too many runs. I don't even know. I don't even 411 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 1: know what you're saying, Like oh, she said that, And 412 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:23,359 Speaker 1: I was like, you remember that noise on on on 413 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 1: on a on a social media, But I do too 414 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 1: many runs. Spirit runs are everything runs I can do 415 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 1: every run I can. I'm running for my life, literally 416 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: trying to do I'm running for my life. She said, 417 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 1: you do too many runs. You do to me and 418 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 1: listen when she said it, she said it, I was 419 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 1: I was hurt. I was in my feelings because you know, 420 00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:00,440 Speaker 1: in the d M v D, I'm the guy absolutely 421 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 1: in my group with the guys and it's because we've 422 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 1: run so crazy. When she said that, it broke me down, 423 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,920 Speaker 1: so crazy that I was like, I was like, I 424 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 1: was like, do I do too many runs? Okay? Talk 425 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 1: to yourself at this one. And it made me dive 426 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 1: into Fred Hammond. Yeah man, yeah man. And for a 427 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 1: year I didn't do no runs. I said, what would 428 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:29,399 Speaker 1: Fred do? What I did? For a year? And that's 429 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:33,640 Speaker 1: why you have the balance. See, I think the greatest 430 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 1: misconception that anybody can have is just because I don't 431 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 1: do it doesn't mean I can't can't even for singers 432 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:47,119 Speaker 1: that believe because they don't do it that somehow it 433 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,440 Speaker 1: doesn't come across that they can sing yes, and see, 434 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,119 Speaker 1: I have to blame one of my mentors for that. 435 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 1: Kimberrella is responsible for She's the greatest in my opinion, 436 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 1: this is Meer. Definitely. She's definitely my Mount Mount Rushmore. 437 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 1: She's one of the greatest voices of all times. Easy money, 438 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 1: but Kim. When Kim presented that to the world. Everybody 439 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,920 Speaker 1: wanted to do it. That was the measuring stick whether 440 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 1: you can sing or not. It wasn't toned, it wasn't pitched, 441 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 1: wasn't placement, it was none of those things. It was 442 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:30,920 Speaker 1: Kim Bareilly and it it's not her fault, Kimi, but 443 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,879 Speaker 1: I think she was. Kim was Kim was. Kim is 444 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 1: the first of her kind. Yeah she is. She is 445 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 1: the blueprint in the foundation what she is like you 446 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 1: know the she used like she just used some different 447 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,680 Speaker 1: patterns that we had never heard go together before. And 448 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 1: I was like, what what is that like? Uh wash me, 449 00:27:54,600 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 1: uh no, no, no, um no. Her song with Trinity 450 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:05,440 Speaker 1: Temple for yes when Kirk was right yes, And when 451 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:12,119 Speaker 1: she's saying that, I was like, what, Yeah, you had 452 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,920 Speaker 1: never heard those patterns never go together. It was a 453 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,399 Speaker 1: cadence bro It was so it was it was so 454 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 1: different to singers. It was mesmerizing and had to learn 455 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,120 Speaker 1: had we had to learn that. I'll ventured to say 456 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 1: that for me, there's only two gospel artists that I've 457 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:35,680 Speaker 1: ever not just learned their songs or their verses or 458 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 1: their hooks, but I learned their at lips. I learned 459 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 1: everything that was commissioned because that's the group that's responsible 460 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 1: for me. I wanted to do music, and Kim Barell 461 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 1: I knew every ad live. Now, I wasn't dumb enough 462 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: to try it on my own because I'm not doing that. 463 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 1: But I can sing along to this day with any song, 464 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 1: any song that Kim did, any album at live, riffs, 465 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 1: runs and things that people the average person don't here, 466 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 1: I hear it and it's like and it helped, but 467 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 1: it helped, it helped moreph something even into in me. 468 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 1: But I'm wise enough to understand that everybody don't look 469 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 1: good in everything, and everybody can't do everything. So you 470 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 1: have to know you have to find like it's nothing 471 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 1: wrong with being a copycast as long as you copy 472 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 1: in the right cat right. But at the at the 473 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 1: end of the day, I never one of the greatest 474 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 1: compliments I've ever had was you have a unique voice. 475 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 1: I don't hear anybody that sounds like you. It's because 476 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 1: I'm intentional about I want the world to know who 477 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 1: Isaac is. I don't want to be compared to he 478 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 1: sounthing like and I'm not knocking anybody who gets that, 479 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 1: but for me, it was a it was a unique thing, 480 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 1: and so it morphed and and it led every decision 481 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 1: I made vocally and even how I move now. It's 482 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,479 Speaker 1: like that, But Kim was it was there's something about 483 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 1: knowing when someone comes in, when they when when they 484 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 1: come in on the song, and it grew ooping anything like, 485 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 1: there's just some it's just something to that and that 486 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 1: individuality of being able to carve out a space of no, 487 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 1: that's such and such as soon as that first notice hit, Yes, 488 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 1: something special with that. I've always been winning. I've been 489 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 1: willing to win and lose with that. Okay, I want 490 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 1: my voice to be my voice. I don't want Yes, 491 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 1: there are there pieces of my voice that I feel 492 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 1: like sound like someone else's. I have little things, but 493 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 1: I sound like me. Got a bad bad Yeah, And 494 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people can't. No, no, they 495 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 1: don't hide under someone else's voice. But that's culture. That's 496 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 1: not just in singing, that's in fashion. That's how we 497 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 1: do a lot of things. It's like we are a 498 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 1: carbon copy of of what we want to be, versus 499 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 1: leaning into who you are? Are you little Chris Brown's 500 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 1: gotta relax? Yeah, Chris Brown is Chris Brown. Period. But 501 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 1: I don't want to hear you outing like it's not 502 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 1: gonna it's not gonna work. Get your own voice. It's like, 503 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 1: I love the uniqueness of people because that's that's a 504 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 1: compliment that it says to me. I believe in me 505 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 1: even if you don't. And I'm I'm bold enough to 506 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 1: take this path because I'm gonna make you know me 507 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 1: one day. And people that work hard at that they 508 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 1: cut through. It's like I'm gonna sleep on that songe. 509 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 1: But he got some over here, you know. And you've 510 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 1: got to know how to grab all of the information. 511 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 1: With all of that information, that is how you ultimately 512 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 1: build yourself, grabbing those pieces from all of those different 513 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 1: moments and knowing again what you said, which is so perfect, 514 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 1: what fits you. Yes, every every vocal technicality doesn't work 515 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 1: for your voice, It doesn't work for you. My question 516 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 1: to you is you've listened to so many people. You 517 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 1: named them the gospel artists, all that, the mainstream artists, 518 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 1: but yet and steel Bro I hear tank, I never 519 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 1: hear you and be like, that's a DERI Coley ran, Oh, 520 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 1: that's like something I would do. I've never ever from 521 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 1: the first song to this present album that I have, 522 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 1: and I listened to all Tanks records. I want all 523 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 1: the church people to know that, Uh, in January I 524 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 1: would have been married twenty years. I will be married 525 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 1: twenty years and I never never ever had a had 526 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 1: a prayer meeting with my wife off of a gospel song. 527 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:35,880 Speaker 1: Come and talk about it. So Tank has been very 528 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 1: instrumental in the ministry, and you're keeping me married. But 529 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 1: what is that, bro Um, it's our podcast. We suppose 530 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:51,800 Speaker 1: we interview him. But if y'all passing the flowers, all 531 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,320 Speaker 1: y'all got all y'all getting flowers, This is just a 532 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: flower pot. It's what it's what I just said. It's 533 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 1: all the pieces of John Um, darryl Isaac Lowell, Eric Dawkins, Um, Kimberrell, 534 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 1: of course I named one. Kimberly, McFarland's very sneaky Um, 535 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 1: Fred Hammond, my quiet favorite, my quiet two favorite pieces 536 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 1: of my vocal h Mitchell Jones stokely. Yes, lord, Um, 537 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 1: it's grabbing. It's all of those. It's grabbing a piece 538 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 1: from all of those people, whether it be a texture um, 539 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:45,880 Speaker 1: whether it be a cadence um, whether it be a rhythm, 540 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 1: all of just one little thing from all of them 541 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 1: to build me. And so and if you, if you, 542 00:33:56,200 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 1: if you really listen to everything, you'll hear all of 543 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,360 Speaker 1: those people. So you can't, you can't. You can't. You 544 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:08,479 Speaker 1: can't narrow me down into one person, because within within 545 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:14,799 Speaker 1: one run, I'm gonna do four different people. That's clever, bro, Yeah, 546 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,399 Speaker 1: that's clever. I'm saying I kind of got the same path. 547 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 1: I kind of got the same path, bro, honestly, because 548 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,240 Speaker 1: when I think about it, I'm not gonna be arrogant 549 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:25,759 Speaker 1: at like I came over with this on my own. 550 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:27,920 Speaker 1: You know, I'm standing on the shoulders of so many 551 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:33,759 Speaker 1: great singers, both gospel and mainstream. And it's like, Bro, 552 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 1: it's like building a vocal. It's like builder bear, like 553 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,400 Speaker 1: building a vocal. It's like, I gotta I got the 554 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 1: arm of Dottie Hathaway, I got the leg of of 555 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,279 Speaker 1: of Stevie. Don't worry about that. We're gonna get to 556 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:51,000 Speaker 1: We're gonna get So it's like for me, it's like 557 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:53,880 Speaker 1: it's so cleverly done. But I'm gonna tell you that, 558 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:58,439 Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell the dopeness of that. That methodology, it's 559 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,480 Speaker 1: how you do all of that and still find a 560 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:05,840 Speaker 1: way for you to cut through. That's the genius in there, yourself. 561 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,480 Speaker 1: You don't lose yourself. It's like, I take this, this, this, this, this, 562 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,359 Speaker 1: but God still gave me a gift with which leads 563 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,360 Speaker 1: me to this. And I have to say this. I 564 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 1: came for two reasons. I came to share with you guys. 565 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,359 Speaker 1: But I gotta say something to you. I gotta say 566 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:24,759 Speaker 1: something to you. First thing that you man of God. Man, 567 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:30,840 Speaker 1: you gotta given of God your next. But you know 568 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 1: your next, because we'll see see what your that's up. Man, 569 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:41,319 Speaker 1: Your yours, come yours, come yours. Have a special noting 570 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 1: on it, difficult, all hating on it. I like it, trank, 571 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:56,719 Speaker 1: God gave you an amazing gift. I think it's lightweight, 572 00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:04,680 Speaker 1: selfish and um kind of bold for you to take 573 00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:08,160 Speaker 1: it away from us. Mhm. I don't think it's fair. 574 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,520 Speaker 1: I understand evolution, but I don't think you have to 575 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:16,839 Speaker 1: stop a thing to start something fresh. Bro, I need 576 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:21,120 Speaker 1: to recant this whole retirement thing. You don't understand. Music 577 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,680 Speaker 1: is at an all time decline, is changing, and we 578 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,160 Speaker 1: can't afford to lose greatness. So you need to talk 579 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,640 Speaker 1: to your wife, talk to Ja, and y'all figure out 580 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:31,640 Speaker 1: how how can I still do this on my own 581 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,319 Speaker 1: terms when I can around the time that I can 582 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,400 Speaker 1: other things I'm trying to evolve and get into and do. 583 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,520 Speaker 1: But Bro, that's God's gift. You can't cut God's gift off. 584 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:43,960 Speaker 1: You can't cut. You can't say God gave me this 585 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,160 Speaker 1: and I'm going now cut now. You can't do that. Now, 586 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,640 Speaker 1: you can't do that. So you'all talk about that later. Now, 587 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:56,680 Speaker 1: you men God, Now you man of God. J I, 588 00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:01,600 Speaker 1: I appreciate you. J Is. Jay is a silent person 589 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:09,400 Speaker 1: that has kept me literally moving in a pack that's 590 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,400 Speaker 1: were moving away from a pack that's traditionally going in 591 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,160 Speaker 1: one direction in terms of what I do on my 592 00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,880 Speaker 1: side of music gospel. Uh. Jay is a person I 593 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:21,359 Speaker 1: called for ideas, concepts. I bounced things off of him, 594 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:26,279 Speaker 1: And Bro, you don't understand, like how much insight you've 595 00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,640 Speaker 1: given me, Like if I could afford you, I'll probably 596 00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:30,720 Speaker 1: hid just my manager. But the way my bank account 597 00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:32,560 Speaker 1: set up is don't work like that. And then you 598 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:36,600 Speaker 1: know you did the shirt? Yeah, No, silk and leather 599 00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:48,440 Speaker 1: very together. It's like sleather, you know. But Jay is Bro, 600 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:54,120 Speaker 1: Jay has not only uh giving me insight on the 601 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:59,200 Speaker 1: music side, but the entrepreneurs side. Bro. You opened my 602 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,840 Speaker 1: eyes and open my mind, and I believe that. To me, 603 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,400 Speaker 1: I'm always a student. Bro. I never get to a 604 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:10,359 Speaker 1: place where I can't learn from somebody. And it's it's 605 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,520 Speaker 1: invaluable money. I would I couldn't have enough money to 606 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:17,440 Speaker 1: pay you for the things that you've given me. And 607 00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,360 Speaker 1: I've literally walked these things out and I'm reaping the 608 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:25,080 Speaker 1: benefits of just come. Me and j don't talk a lot, 609 00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:28,719 Speaker 1: but we talked, were talking. We talk, you're talking. We're 610 00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,439 Speaker 1: gonna talk about three four months. But when we talked, 611 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,880 Speaker 1: he dropping knowledge, he dropping jams, he dropping bombs, and 612 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:36,640 Speaker 1: I'm like, bro, and I just wanted to, like openly 613 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,640 Speaker 1: just say, Bro, I thank you. Man. No, don't say no, man, 614 00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:41,839 Speaker 1: just say okay, let's say you. I wantna say how 615 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,040 Speaker 1: I ever saying, Brother, Jay, you ain't too light ski 616 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:51,439 Speaker 1: to get slapped by. Just say thank you. Everybody wants 617 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,440 Speaker 1: to keep it on them. I want to keep I 618 00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:57,080 Speaker 1: want to keep no. I want to see getting mad 619 00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:07,720 Speaker 1: keeping on them. Just you welcome, man, No, no, seriously, 620 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:13,160 Speaker 1: no all jokes aside um for the people that I 621 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,920 Speaker 1: truly care about, which you are one of them. Bro, 622 00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:20,600 Speaker 1: I'll give whatever knowledge that I possibly have or whatever 623 00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:24,200 Speaker 1: ideas that I possibly have. And you know, I I 624 00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:30,200 Speaker 1: appreciate the fact that my career is going in in 625 00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:34,840 Speaker 1: a very I'll get the odds. The best way that 626 00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,319 Speaker 1: I can put my career path is, you know, it's 627 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:41,880 Speaker 1: it's it's not straight lined at all. And I've been 628 00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:49,160 Speaker 1: able to be helpful to people who were already established 629 00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:54,239 Speaker 1: and that's tough. That's even tough for for me to 630 00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,960 Speaker 1: even at times when I'm realizing, like I'm being very 631 00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:02,000 Speaker 1: honest with someone who's already accomplish something that's good. And 632 00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,560 Speaker 1: that's a hard place to be in at times because 633 00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,400 Speaker 1: you're just like, are they really gonna listen to me? 634 00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,440 Speaker 1: And these are my friends, but I can't be anybody 635 00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,360 Speaker 1: but myself, and I have to and I you know, 636 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,080 Speaker 1: these are all things that I go through my mind 637 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:22,239 Speaker 1: where I'm like, no, I probably should sugarcoat right now, 638 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,440 Speaker 1: but it's not in me one. And I don't think 639 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,720 Speaker 1: that they called me for that. I think they called 640 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:33,160 Speaker 1: me or asked me for what my opinion. Truly, you're 641 00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,360 Speaker 1: never gonna get a water down version from Jay. No, 642 00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,840 Speaker 1: it's gonna be what it's gonna be, and and and 643 00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:43,200 Speaker 1: and you appreciate it. Bro, It's like it's it's invaluable. Bro. 644 00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,799 Speaker 1: Like I just think people. I say this all the time. 645 00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:52,839 Speaker 1: Everybody wants to shine, but nobody wants to buff man. Man, 646 00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,520 Speaker 1: everybody want to shine. Everybody want to be lights, camera action. 647 00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,680 Speaker 1: But the buffing is the work, Bro. It's the work 648 00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:01,160 Speaker 1: you got to put him to get that shine on 649 00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,640 Speaker 1: that shoe. And so it's like, Bro, it's it's that 650 00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:08,880 Speaker 1: buffing thing that produces the shine it produces. You know, 651 00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,480 Speaker 1: I'll see jail TV front row courtside, foot on the 652 00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:14,680 Speaker 1: wood and I'm you know, I'm a dumb nick I'm 653 00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:30,239 Speaker 1: gonna call him yeah the game, Yeah, but but I 654 00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:34,320 Speaker 1: do that. But I think the thing that blesses me 655 00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:39,239 Speaker 1: is he answers. But sure he answers, bro, And if 656 00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,120 Speaker 1: you don't answer, he's gonna call me back that it's 657 00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:45,799 Speaker 1: the small things type don't answer. That is not true, 658 00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:53,640 Speaker 1: take no answer. My pastor says it like this phone. 659 00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:57,360 Speaker 1: He said, we're not gonna sanitize this thing to make 660 00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,279 Speaker 1: it look good for TV. Now we're gonna call it 661 00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:04,160 Speaker 1: a spade. This, Tak, don't. And now when you see 662 00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:08,200 Speaker 1: tight he go, be consistent. Yes, he goes, he goes. 663 00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:11,000 Speaker 1: So you love he never Hollywood. I don't care who around. 664 00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:15,120 Speaker 1: He is the most genuine. But that phone, he ain't 665 00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,960 Speaker 1: gonna answer. Yeah, that is not true. Now you got 666 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,440 Speaker 1: your mama's It's not true. Not true. The only time 667 00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,759 Speaker 1: I don't answer my phone is if my wife don't 668 00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,319 Speaker 1: let me. But that's it. I call you when you're 669 00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:37,560 Speaker 1: not with Jana Zena. Sorry, I'll think about Martin. Please editor, 670 00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,719 Speaker 1: please edit it. I call you when you went with Zena. Bro, 671 00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,800 Speaker 1: It's not true. Zena was not in Atlanta when you 672 00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:47,600 Speaker 1: had your show and I called you and you didn't answer. 673 00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:52,520 Speaker 1: That's not true, Tak. You know the Bible says that 674 00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,520 Speaker 1: all liars, he say something he saying for your says 675 00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:59,680 Speaker 1: all liars, man. But what I believe to be the truth, 676 00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,600 Speaker 1: I subscribe to. Man. There's your side of the story, 677 00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,279 Speaker 1: there's my side of the story, and we will meet 678 00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,640 Speaker 1: somewhere in the middle. Well, the Bible, I'm talking about 679 00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,600 Speaker 1: the Bible. Yeah, it's not it's a non negotiable version. 680 00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:15,520 Speaker 1: Who this is King James version. They want to play 681 00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:26,840 Speaker 1: for the Lakers. This is this is not true and money. Anyway, 682 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:37,439 Speaker 1: back to you, you UM talk about your transition from 683 00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:41,839 Speaker 1: you know, from you you're with John. You guys are 684 00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:49,919 Speaker 1: beyond successful um and deciding, hey, maybe there should maybe 685 00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:53,040 Speaker 1: there should be a group. Maybe maybe Lowell, maybe we 686 00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:56,160 Speaker 1: should put something together and venture out on our own 687 00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,200 Speaker 1: and have our own success. What is the thought process going. Yeah, 688 00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:03,600 Speaker 1: that was a hard trans issue, man, because you know, 689 00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:07,439 Speaker 1: I believe that sometimes you can stay in the nest 690 00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,239 Speaker 1: too long and then sometimes you can leave too soon. 691 00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:12,920 Speaker 1: For sure, it's a curse of both of them. So 692 00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:14,920 Speaker 1: it's all about time. You all about time and right 693 00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:27,960 Speaker 1: about right. So when we when we did it, it 694 00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:32,160 Speaker 1: was scary. Uh. John had taught us enough, we knew enough, 695 00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:35,880 Speaker 1: we saw enough to feel like we can try a 696 00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:39,279 Speaker 1: hand at this. So the concept behind our group was 697 00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,160 Speaker 1: and we talked about all the time. Lowell was a 698 00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,040 Speaker 1: huge Winding fans, which which I am too. But he 699 00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:48,040 Speaker 1: was a huge Winding fans. He preferred the Windings over commission. 700 00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,880 Speaker 1: I was a huge commission fan. I preferred Commissioner. We 701 00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:54,480 Speaker 1: should have an intervention on that, but that's political. We 702 00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,520 Speaker 1: should have an intervention with him on that, but just's 703 00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,520 Speaker 1: we'll get to him. But the thing was, we were like, 704 00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:03,680 Speaker 1: how can we make this the best of both worlds. 705 00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:09,480 Speaker 1: Let's be a group that can do what the Windings 706 00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:11,800 Speaker 1: do because also watch this, the Wine is couldn't do 707 00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,799 Speaker 1: what Commission could do, and Commission couldn't do what they did. 708 00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:18,680 Speaker 1: They were in the same city, paving and trailing the 709 00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:22,279 Speaker 1: same road. They were literally into different lanes. For sure. 710 00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,480 Speaker 1: The Wine is one more churchy Marvin all Gas, no break, 711 00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:31,280 Speaker 1: he coming for you. Commission was harmony, mess and swaggy 712 00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:36,359 Speaker 1: and what nineties R and B will becomes what listen 713 00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:40,200 Speaker 1: all y'all that love nineties R and B talk about it. 714 00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:46,560 Speaker 1: Come on, go back and listen to Commission. You will 715 00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,480 Speaker 1: get everything that you've been looking for. I'm telling you 716 00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,400 Speaker 1: so the harmonies and acapellas that the chancel. So I 717 00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:55,440 Speaker 1: was like, yo, let's merge the two worlds. No group 718 00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,000 Speaker 1: has ever been the best version of both of them. 719 00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:00,960 Speaker 1: So that was our concept. I think when Ministana came 720 00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:06,040 Speaker 1: out of nine ninety six, we didn't realize that we 721 00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:11,000 Speaker 1: were two years two male groups kind of phasing out 722 00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:19,319 Speaker 1: m HM even in gospel, because most male groups were traditional. Okay, uh, 723 00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:22,160 Speaker 1: because commission when we started, commission was kind of fraided, 724 00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:27,840 Speaker 1: already left. I was leaving, uh, and the wines were 725 00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:32,200 Speaker 1: kind of, you know, chilling a little bit. So we 726 00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:37,520 Speaker 1: were trying to feel this void. And music was evolved 727 00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:40,080 Speaker 1: and Kirk was on the scene. So you had you 728 00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,800 Speaker 1: had somebody who was the biggest gospel artist and you 729 00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:49,919 Speaker 1: couldn't dance. We couldn't dance, and he couldn't say, Man, Kirk, 730 00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:53,000 Speaker 1: you know I love you. You know what it is 731 00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:59,200 Speaker 1: a great expressionist. He expresses his thought. Well, that's one 732 00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:02,320 Speaker 1: of my closest friends. He is my mentor gig. He 733 00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,920 Speaker 1: is every new dance that comes. I was mad at 734 00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:10,719 Speaker 1: Kirk when he first came out, what because I had 735 00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:14,200 Speaker 1: tried to do that very thing he was doing three 736 00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:18,279 Speaker 1: years that you couldn't dance. I could dance. He could 737 00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,799 Speaker 1: dance like Kirk can't dance either, Kirk. I'm not rolling 738 00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:30,839 Speaker 1: with you on that. Kirk cannot That is what Kirk. 739 00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:36,279 Speaker 1: I said to Kirk's face, k you can't dance. You 740 00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:39,520 Speaker 1: be moving, he buffed. Now, you don't want to smoke. 741 00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:42,560 Speaker 1: You're not gonna talk about a grown man that can 742 00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,600 Speaker 1: literally see on the sofa swinging flakes. Man, I don't 743 00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:50,440 Speaker 1: know even know what that means. You're not gonna do. 744 00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:52,000 Speaker 1: He was trying to let you get out of there. 745 00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:59,440 Speaker 1: We'll say he is not a Marion. Marion, he cannot 746 00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:03,720 Speaker 1: He's Kirk. Kirk is not doing choreography, Kirk and groove. 747 00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:08,360 Speaker 1: He can groove. Damn all right, So listen, So anyway, 748 00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:12,360 Speaker 1: but before that, before that thought, no, no, no, no, no, 749 00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:16,080 Speaker 1: not y'all, Tank and you because you you're going to 750 00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:21,520 Speaker 1: I'm going to say from outside of the church. Kurt 751 00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:27,440 Speaker 1: Franklin made us pay attention. He made us pay attention, 752 00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:32,759 Speaker 1: like flat out when Stump get out. They played at 753 00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:34,600 Speaker 1: the club, they didn't have played the club and played 754 00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:37,520 Speaker 1: it everywhere, you know what I mean. Before The reason 755 00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:39,399 Speaker 1: why we're saying, but Stump was no but I'm saying 756 00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:44,800 Speaker 1: I know that, but I'm talking about that really grabbed 757 00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:49,040 Speaker 1: the whole of every every everybody, everybody. It just we 758 00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:51,279 Speaker 1: didn't even listen to it as a gospel record. Ntil 759 00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,840 Speaker 1: you really listen, it's like, okay, yeah, but groove was 760 00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:55,920 Speaker 1: so it was it was it was like it was 761 00:48:55,960 --> 00:49:01,879 Speaker 1: just it was just something different and it was something refreshing. Yeah, 762 00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:07,080 Speaker 1: it was a gospel music workshop somewhere, and and hes 763 00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:10,719 Speaker 1: A Kaya had just went on and Kirk was following him. 764 00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:14,719 Speaker 1: And at this time I was still a little bit 765 00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:16,239 Speaker 1: in my failing because I was like, I was the 766 00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:18,320 Speaker 1: first question to try to merge r and be in 767 00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:23,239 Speaker 1: hip hop and gospel. And it didn't work, and didn't work. 768 00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:28,920 Speaker 1: The lights went out, the church was too old. Uh. 769 00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:35,000 Speaker 1: And and so has A Kaya is going crazy, hit 770 00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:43,120 Speaker 1: hit factory bro going crazy. And you know, in my mind, 771 00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:44,960 Speaker 1: I'm like, what is Kirk getting ready to do after this, 772 00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:48,000 Speaker 1: you know, because I'm still still feeling my way about it. 773 00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:53,440 Speaker 1: And Kirk doesn't sing. He said, you guys, y'all have 774 00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:56,719 Speaker 1: heard enough singing. Now that you're now that your hearts 775 00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,120 Speaker 1: and minds are ready to receive, let me tell you something. 776 00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:04,479 Speaker 1: And he went there. Someone asked the question. He didn't sing, 777 00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:10,640 Speaker 1: He menaced, he talk, He ministered for thirty minutes and 778 00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:16,279 Speaker 1: killed them killed me. Yeah. I went from you know, 779 00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:20,600 Speaker 1: having my own feelings about my own disappointments to receiving 780 00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:25,239 Speaker 1: a real message heart. He listened, He got to hate 781 00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:32,879 Speaker 1: out my heart, out my heart. I was like, what time, Yes, 782 00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,400 Speaker 1: he's amazing. He changed your life, But all jokes aside. Bro, 783 00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:41,320 Speaker 1: he changed mine. He changed my life. I can honestly 784 00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:44,320 Speaker 1: say the man I am the day is because of 785 00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:49,920 Speaker 1: Kurf Frankl, the husband, the man I am, the openness, 786 00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:54,120 Speaker 1: the business that I learned. This man has literally changed 787 00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:57,759 Speaker 1: my life, bro, because he was the first artist that 788 00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:01,279 Speaker 1: cared more about me then he cared about my gift m. 789 00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,839 Speaker 1: He would literally call it like, Yo, you're good. How 790 00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:09,720 Speaker 1: are your family? How you doing? Like no, no, not singing, 791 00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:14,239 Speaker 1: not music? How you doing what? I'm sorry? No, no, no, 792 00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:19,160 Speaker 1: and and and and dubbed he duged. It's like, oh 793 00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:24,040 Speaker 1: and years of that. Bro. It's just like he're good dude. Bro, 794 00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:27,239 Speaker 1: He're good dude. They come no better, they come no better. 795 00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:29,640 Speaker 1: I'm blessed to be able to pick up the phone 796 00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:32,439 Speaker 1: and call him, and he answered the phone and we're talking. 797 00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:34,400 Speaker 1: We chop it up, we laugh. We have such a 798 00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:38,279 Speaker 1: balanced relationship. Bro. So I know that feeling like looking 799 00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:40,200 Speaker 1: at somebody and he even says, Bros. He pulled me 800 00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:43,640 Speaker 1: one time. Bro. He said, Isaac, look what God has 801 00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:48,399 Speaker 1: done with a nigger that don't even sing? He said, broke. 802 00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:52,840 Speaker 1: This blows in an industry where it was birth all singing. 803 00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:57,440 Speaker 1: It was birthall singing, Bro. And so that's when you 804 00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:02,240 Speaker 1: know the power of what God can do through somebody's gift. 805 00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:07,360 Speaker 1: When you call and you're chosen, Bro, it doesn't have 806 00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:10,480 Speaker 1: to line up with the way that people feel like 807 00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:13,680 Speaker 1: it has a line up it. See. One thing I 808 00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:16,919 Speaker 1: learned about people a long time ago is people don't 809 00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:19,239 Speaker 1: want you to do what you want to do. They 810 00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:21,200 Speaker 1: really don't want you to even walk the path that 811 00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:23,000 Speaker 1: God has for you. They want you to do what 812 00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:26,480 Speaker 1: they want you the box, their box. As soon as 813 00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:31,279 Speaker 1: you don't oh yeah, ain't, ain't ready and they no, No, 814 00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:34,120 Speaker 1: this is the road that I'm on. And when you 815 00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:38,040 Speaker 1: believe in it. I remember pastors cutting the mic off 816 00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:40,840 Speaker 1: on Kirk and the family. Bro weren't having on that 817 00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:43,719 Speaker 1: dancing and gy writting. Our church cut the mics off, 818 00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:46,920 Speaker 1: kicking them out of churches, I promise to God, Bro, 819 00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:51,560 Speaker 1: kicking them out of churches, turned the mic off, embarrassing him, 820 00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:55,640 Speaker 1: and he kept going. So when that man get on stage, 821 00:52:56,360 --> 00:53:04,640 Speaker 1: and oh, Bro, Bro never forgets. He's never comfortable. He never, Bro. 822 00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:09,280 Speaker 1: I've seen it up close and personal. He don't play 823 00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:13,560 Speaker 1: about his gift because he's like Yo, God want me, 824 00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:17,000 Speaker 1: but he don't need me. M you could use anybody. 825 00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:19,799 Speaker 1: So I think when you take it for granted, Bro, 826 00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:22,880 Speaker 1: that's when it's sounded like zapped from you or that 827 00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,520 Speaker 1: grace is that from you? Or or that favor? Like, Bro, 828 00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:29,640 Speaker 1: what you're doing, what y'all doing in the industry, that's 829 00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:35,600 Speaker 1: transitioning from album sales and how the albums you sell, 830 00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:39,400 Speaker 1: what's your first yourself to streaming and Bro, it's unprecedented 831 00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:43,600 Speaker 1: and people wondering why why they ain't doing this and 832 00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:46,160 Speaker 1: why are they doing this? It's favorite, Bro, It's like 833 00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:48,840 Speaker 1: y'all have tapped into something that y'all believe in. You 834 00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:52,280 Speaker 1: found your niche and it's working. So all that stuff, 835 00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:54,839 Speaker 1: it are the things that I try to remember, bro, 836 00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:58,560 Speaker 1: because I just realized, man, that I may never get 837 00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:04,080 Speaker 1: to the pinnacle of what people consider success, But success 838 00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:06,840 Speaker 1: for me is fulfillment, man, and walking to my purpose. 839 00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:10,239 Speaker 1: You know. It's like, Yo, you look at success as 840 00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:12,680 Speaker 1: a grant me and those things are amazing. Those things 841 00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:15,440 Speaker 1: are great, those accolades are incredible level. But at the 842 00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:17,400 Speaker 1: end of the day, Bro, I know a lot of 843 00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:20,600 Speaker 1: people who got grammars that are unfulfilled that I'm not happy. 844 00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:25,080 Speaker 1: And money and money and money. Yeah. My pastor said this, Bro. 845 00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:28,400 Speaker 1: He said, money is not even the top five things 846 00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:33,200 Speaker 1: changed my life. Bro. He was like, if I told 847 00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:35,680 Speaker 1: you I'll give you a million dollars today, but you 848 00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,680 Speaker 1: gotta die tomorrow, would you take the million? No? If 849 00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:39,840 Speaker 1: I told you ILL give you a million dollars a 850 00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:43,600 Speaker 1: day and your mama, what's gonna pass? What you think? 851 00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:46,480 Speaker 1: You know? That means that means relationships to me. More. 852 00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:47,920 Speaker 1: If I tell you give a million dollars you have 853 00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:48,920 Speaker 1: to be sick for the rest of your life and 854 00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:51,680 Speaker 1: you couldn't enjoy it. That means health. It's so many 855 00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:55,920 Speaker 1: things that's more important than money. It's it's it's good 856 00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:57,680 Speaker 1: to have. We know that, we know the importance of it. 857 00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:01,440 Speaker 1: But it's prioritizing it's purpose, and it's walking and being fulfilled, 858 00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:04,600 Speaker 1: living up a life where it's like, yo, I do this, bro, 859 00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:06,839 Speaker 1: and I did this, and and I can I can 860 00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:08,799 Speaker 1: take a moment pat myself on the back and said, 861 00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:11,520 Speaker 1: we did we did this. Now let's keep going. Let's 862 00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:14,479 Speaker 1: let's don't live there, let's just keep going. So those 863 00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:17,520 Speaker 1: are the lessons I've learned, man, and I am a 864 00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:21,960 Speaker 1: byproduct of all of those people that poured not just 865 00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:27,920 Speaker 1: musical tips into my life, but wisdom and uh. And 866 00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:31,520 Speaker 1: I I think I've been called to sing, but also 867 00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:35,560 Speaker 1: to be a bridge, uh, to help people get from 868 00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:39,520 Speaker 1: this place to that place. So that's that I think 869 00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:44,400 Speaker 1: that's what my purpose is. Bro So menistanding around me, 870 00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:50,000 Speaker 1: Oh Lord, I have permission meets to win that put 871 00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:54,680 Speaker 1: the group together. And now, is this the first time 872 00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:58,920 Speaker 1: you're in the business of gospel music or were you 873 00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:00,759 Speaker 1: in the business of God for music when you were 874 00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:03,640 Speaker 1: with John P. Kira? Was he just protecting y'all? Y'all 875 00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:06,160 Speaker 1: with him me taking care of straight he did that. 876 00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:08,399 Speaker 1: This was the first time. This is the first time 877 00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:14,600 Speaker 1: you're experience, So you're experience in the business. How is 878 00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:18,080 Speaker 1: the gospel music business? If you can be as candid? 879 00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:20,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I know you're gonna be a candid because 880 00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:25,000 Speaker 1: you Isaac, and just where it stops you. That's a 881 00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:27,320 Speaker 1: good question. How is the gospel? How is the gospel 882 00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:29,560 Speaker 1: of music? Because I don't know anything about the gospel 883 00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:31,840 Speaker 1: of music business. Like I had remember having a conversation 884 00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:36,040 Speaker 1: with my brother who was going from doing secular music 885 00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:39,040 Speaker 1: to sacred which I've learned in the last ye, I 886 00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:44,200 Speaker 1: didn't know that term. I didn't know secular learning with 887 00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:47,040 Speaker 1: the Bible study. Come on, man, a brother can read 888 00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:50,760 Speaker 1: definitely that I can do. Right. So, but I remember 889 00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:53,879 Speaker 1: having a conversation with my brother and him being like, Jay, 890 00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,160 Speaker 1: you know, I need you to help me with something, 891 00:56:57,719 --> 00:57:01,120 Speaker 1: and I was like, bye, bye, it's nowhere in the world. 892 00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:03,920 Speaker 1: I don't. I just those are two different businesses. Now, 893 00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:06,200 Speaker 1: I may know somebody in R and B that may 894 00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:10,560 Speaker 1: be connected to something in Gospel, but those you you're 895 00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:13,800 Speaker 1: gonna have to go fully learn that world that I 896 00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:16,240 Speaker 1: have no idea, and I have no I have no 897 00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:19,040 Speaker 1: stake in that world, you know what I mean, Like, 898 00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:24,120 Speaker 1: I don't know what to tell you. So to answer 899 00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:28,120 Speaker 1: that question, a contract is a contract, of course, So 900 00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:32,560 Speaker 1: the same Gospel contracts that that that that labels present, 901 00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:35,400 Speaker 1: it's probably the same contracts that y'all get, just the 902 00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:40,760 Speaker 1: money is significantly different. It's like night and Day tanks tanks. 903 00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:45,280 Speaker 1: Tanks budget when they were budgets and with labels was 904 00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:50,360 Speaker 1: considerably like night and day, like one end of the 905 00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:52,520 Speaker 1: world to the other end. So they pretty much telling 906 00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:55,960 Speaker 1: you all this is for the Lord. No not. I 907 00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:57,440 Speaker 1: know that's what they was telling Tank when he was 908 00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:00,840 Speaker 1: playing not not not not. The is this gospel. So 909 00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:03,520 Speaker 1: when you talk about labels, they still function as a label, 910 00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:07,040 Speaker 1: still give you contracts. They still give you terrible contracts. 911 00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:11,280 Speaker 1: That how can you give someone a terrible contract in gospel? 912 00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:15,240 Speaker 1: Because this because the people who own the companies are 913 00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:19,280 Speaker 1: not Christians or they're just successful, rich people that inherited 914 00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:25,360 Speaker 1: this business. That higher people to say we're gonna do 915 00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:32,040 Speaker 1: an inspirational uh uh label. There isn't necessarily conscience, no no, no, 916 00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:34,720 Speaker 1: So you might you might look up and get a 917 00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:42,040 Speaker 1: believer or Christian that is your label exact, that understands 918 00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:44,840 Speaker 1: the nuances of what it takes to do this. They 919 00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:48,360 Speaker 1: move it a little more compassion. But the contract comes 920 00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:52,400 Speaker 1: from coming from a rich business owner who's been owning 921 00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:54,760 Speaker 1: the company for years. And that's like it's about money 922 00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:58,560 Speaker 1: for me. I don't care about all that. So these 923 00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:01,560 Speaker 1: labels are such and such gospel, such and such gospel 924 00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:04,880 Speaker 1: instead of it just being a gospel label. Period ran 925 00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:08,520 Speaker 1: by Gospel. The only gospel label that I knew that 926 00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:12,960 Speaker 1: started from where it was what the owner was Gospel, 927 00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:15,560 Speaker 1: The owner was Gospel. All the way down to everybody 928 00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:19,600 Speaker 1: who worked was gospel centered. That's the labor of Kurt Frank, 929 00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:25,520 Speaker 1: Vicky Matt that she owned it so she was a believer. Uh. 930 00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:30,440 Speaker 1: But you know when money happens and things happen and 931 00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:32,560 Speaker 1: other people get their hands in it. Uh, it can 932 00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:34,920 Speaker 1: change the trajectory of how you see it. So we 933 00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:36,720 Speaker 1: can still get sticky. So I don't want to I 934 00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:38,600 Speaker 1: don't This is the thing I don't want to do. 935 00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:42,720 Speaker 1: I don't want to act like because where gospel that 936 00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:47,080 Speaker 1: we don't have real life issues and we don't do 937 00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:51,080 Speaker 1: unethical things because we do because with people. I think 938 00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:53,920 Speaker 1: what killed what messages that up with people's minds is 939 00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:58,280 Speaker 1: the way we present ourselves. We present ourselves as self righteous. 940 00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:01,280 Speaker 1: We're better than you are. You going to hell if 941 01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:03,840 Speaker 1: you do this? Oh looks at what Look what he's 942 01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:06,560 Speaker 1: saying about. He don't know Jesus, he going to hell. 943 01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:12,920 Speaker 1: But then when you find out you've been cheat on 944 01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:15,760 Speaker 1: your wife, you're you've been stealing from the offering plate, 945 01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:19,120 Speaker 1: but you're talking about how you're talking about him, that's 946 01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:21,240 Speaker 1: when it gets sticky. And that's when you start hearing 947 01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:23,400 Speaker 1: people say stuff like on foods church I don't know, man, 948 01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:27,520 Speaker 1: that turch stuff. I'm good. I'm good right here. That's 949 01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:30,520 Speaker 1: what it is. You have. You know, everybody ain't bad. 950 01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:34,280 Speaker 1: You have bad people that do bad things, even in 951 01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:38,280 Speaker 1: the name of the Lord. So yeah, So it's not 952 01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:41,160 Speaker 1: a gospel thing. It's not like, how can a gospel label. 953 01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:44,680 Speaker 1: It's like it's still business at the end of the day. 954 01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:48,960 Speaker 1: I say it like this. The gospel is free, the 955 01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:52,280 Speaker 1: ministry costs. You want to just sing for the Lord. 956 01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:55,120 Speaker 1: Go to anybody's church. You go to any church or 957 01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:57,080 Speaker 1: any corner and sing for the Lord. But if there's 958 01:00:57,080 --> 01:00:59,800 Speaker 1: an investment. But if there's an investment, you have to 959 01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:04,240 Speaker 1: understand that there is a return on the investment that 960 01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:07,480 Speaker 1: they made in you. There's a there's attorneys, there should 961 01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:10,120 Speaker 1: be negotiations, and a lot of times in our case, 962 01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:13,920 Speaker 1: men the standard we didn't know. So we signed a 963 01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:17,760 Speaker 1: contract and we was happy. Yeah, and we got got 964 01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:21,360 Speaker 1: we got got bad, and we got attorney to get 965 01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:24,000 Speaker 1: out the deal. We had to seal and it went 966 01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:26,360 Speaker 1: through the whole thing. It was bad, man. But it's 967 01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:28,640 Speaker 1: like if this is my whole thing, Okay, I'm dumb. 968 01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:30,479 Speaker 1: I signed a contract. I didn't read it. I didn't 969 01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:33,400 Speaker 1: understand the nuances of the business. That's on me. But 970 01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:37,120 Speaker 1: if I'm honoring my bad contract, you ain't being go 971 01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:39,600 Speaker 1: rape me on top of the fact that you already 972 01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:42,160 Speaker 1: got me and then you gotta go double down on it. 973 01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:49,880 Speaker 1: It's like if you if I'm rocket out, Yeah, it's like, oh, 974 01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:53,680 Speaker 1: we're already getting them, but because they're done, we're gonna 975 01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:55,320 Speaker 1: get them again. No, no, you're gonna do that. That's 976 01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:56,720 Speaker 1: what we gotta go. That's what we gotta go to court. 977 01:01:57,280 --> 01:02:01,040 Speaker 1: And we did that, and you know, we wanted we 978 01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:03,040 Speaker 1: gotta deal a lot of good stuff or whatever. But 979 01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:06,520 Speaker 1: so it's bad people that do bad things, even in 980 01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:08,360 Speaker 1: the church. But it's not I don't think it's a 981 01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:10,880 Speaker 1: church issue or a gospel issue. It's just it's a 982 01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:15,000 Speaker 1: business man and it is there. I'm sorry, Uh, is 983 01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:20,160 Speaker 1: there like there's a full because obviously when you're when 984 01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:23,560 Speaker 1: you're breaking a gospel artist, when you're being broken as 985 01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:26,480 Speaker 1: a gospel artist, is there a path for that as 986 01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:29,440 Speaker 1: well as they're like certain churches around the country that 987 01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:31,720 Speaker 1: y'all go to, that's just like okay, if we if 988 01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:34,480 Speaker 1: we get it cracking at Yeah, it used to be 989 01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:38,600 Speaker 1: new fat bait Baptist. Yeah, you say new fat bait, 990 01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:43,080 Speaker 1: new faith Baptist. You're trying to say new birth. I wasn't. 991 01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:47,080 Speaker 1: He was making up a church. At least give me 992 01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:49,439 Speaker 1: you have a reference point church. I don't have any. 993 01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:54,440 Speaker 1: You don't have any idea? Is that the books Bishop 994 01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:59,800 Speaker 1: TV jas Yeah, oh my God is out of culture. 995 01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:05,560 Speaker 1: We got the Christians Center, okay there, but nope, but 996 01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:09,280 Speaker 1: even even there wasn't no one was coming. Men of 997 01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:11,960 Speaker 1: standard wasn't coming to San Francisco to do the Christian Center. 998 01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:15,439 Speaker 1: I don't ever remember hearing Commission coming to the Christian Center, 999 01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:17,760 Speaker 1: or you know what I mean, Like I just yeah, 1000 01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:20,080 Speaker 1: there was a time where there were churches that were 1001 01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:23,560 Speaker 1: very very very very very very very very beneficial that 1002 01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:26,080 Speaker 1: if I did their church on a Sunday morning and 1003 01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:28,760 Speaker 1: I rocked out and I rocked out here this I 1004 01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:31,280 Speaker 1: can go to the lobby and sell my CDs and 1005 01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:33,000 Speaker 1: then you got and then you got your you got 1006 01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:36,640 Speaker 1: your you got your sound scaned sheets. Yeah that if 1007 01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:39,440 Speaker 1: you got it's churches in Atlanta, Bro, they've got ten 1008 01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:43,000 Speaker 1: thousand cedars sanctuaries. That was packing them out and doing 1009 01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:49,440 Speaker 1: three services a Sunday's people. So if you sell a portion, yeah, 1010 01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:53,000 Speaker 1: your first week sales, that's arena. That's the arena, your 1011 01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:56,360 Speaker 1: first week, and you're gonna do every service. They're going 1012 01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:59,040 Speaker 1: to book you for every service. Yeah okay. And then 1013 01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:01,720 Speaker 1: what's this? If I'm from my album, you ain't gonna 1014 01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:05,800 Speaker 1: pay me? Let me say must ds because it's a 1015 01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:10,600 Speaker 1: promotional day for me. Yeah, somebody m c d S label, 1016 01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:12,480 Speaker 1: get that cut. I get a cut from c D 1017 01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:15,120 Speaker 1: And I gave the church of free performance. Gave church 1018 01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:17,800 Speaker 1: free performance, and it was very beneficial until the churches 1019 01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:24,960 Speaker 1: started saying, oh we want to oh yeah yeah, yeah, 1020 01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:26,680 Speaker 1: y'all have to set up to a bookstore. And we 1021 01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:30,200 Speaker 1: got to because they want a piece. So start a champ. 1022 01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:35,840 Speaker 1: The business kicks in, business kicks. Yeah. I make up 1023 01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:37,800 Speaker 1: that new church, new faith, never heart, a new faith. 1024 01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:42,800 Speaker 1: But I'm sure. I'm sure it's a new faith. You 1025 01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:45,800 Speaker 1: feel me? Church? No, No, it's not okay whatever, I'm out. 1026 01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:51,439 Speaker 1: I'm out. This is the only episode in this man 1027 01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:56,040 Speaker 1: want to and you still not it is a new faith. 1028 01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:04,200 Speaker 1: I'm jay balance somewhere, boy, Um, I can put that 1029 01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:06,760 Speaker 1: on those signs that will be outside when you drive 1030 01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:09,080 Speaker 1: by at the hurt. Now, I can't put that on 1031 01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:14,360 Speaker 1: there be go be women and ain't gonna be good 1032 01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:17,480 Speaker 1: for you? Why not because temptation? Because women bring me 1033 01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:20,840 Speaker 1: in and now we have a congregation. He backed the 1034 01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:24,200 Speaker 1: pimp and you don't hear it? God, you don't you 1035 01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:31,240 Speaker 1: see what I'm looking at you. Yeah, it's gonna get 1036 01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:33,200 Speaker 1: back to pimp. It's gonna get back to pith, always 1037 01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:36,160 Speaker 1: gonna get back to pimping. I think my my early 1038 01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:38,040 Speaker 1: experience in the church kind of made me feel like, 1039 01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:41,760 Speaker 1: like just what you said, here we go. This is 1040 01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:45,680 Speaker 1: what I want to hear there. I want to hear 1041 01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:48,520 Speaker 1: this bro there. I mean, we're not gonna go into details, no, no, no, 1042 01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:51,720 Speaker 1: but I need I need just give me a a 1043 01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:56,080 Speaker 1: brief synopsis without going deep. I want to know what 1044 01:05:56,840 --> 01:06:00,000 Speaker 1: what it was there it is. I don't want to 1045 01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:08,720 Speaker 1: say word, but this intervention job. Kurt hurt you? Who 1046 01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:14,560 Speaker 1: hurt you? Kirk hurts you? Mad kirk k no. Um. 1047 01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:18,760 Speaker 1: My home church, my home church had a problem paying 1048 01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:21,280 Speaker 1: me so that I could live to do, you know, 1049 01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:26,400 Speaker 1: to do three choirs and services and you know not 1050 01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:29,120 Speaker 1: now to services. They had a hard time seeing why 1051 01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:31,840 Speaker 1: it was necessary to pay me more than fifty dollars 1052 01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:34,760 Speaker 1: or seventy the same day. But that was at the 1053 01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:41,240 Speaker 1: start of that. Um. Then there was Um, the guy 1054 01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:46,480 Speaker 1: who became a mentor, who, um, can me make an 1055 01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:49,680 Speaker 1: entire album? Help me help him make an entire album, 1056 01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:54,680 Speaker 1: and took all the publishing and production credit even even 1057 01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:59,480 Speaker 1: mind UM. And then and then we walked outside of 1058 01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:04,040 Speaker 1: church one day and he's beating his wife. UM. And 1059 01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:09,760 Speaker 1: then UM, you know, you know, I'm in a group 1060 01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:12,520 Speaker 1: and I'm like, guys, I have a vision. God is 1061 01:07:12,560 --> 01:07:14,840 Speaker 1: telling me, like, after I go to an immature concert, 1062 01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:17,840 Speaker 1: we can't follow three kids, even with the message that 1063 01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:21,560 Speaker 1: we have that it's more important because we're not showing 1064 01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:25,840 Speaker 1: out for God. M we're just standing behind these microphones 1065 01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:29,080 Speaker 1: and doing just enough to get by. These kids showing out. 1066 01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:32,840 Speaker 1: That's why they can feel this arena with thousands and 1067 01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:35,280 Speaker 1: thousands of people. We can't get a hundre of people 1068 01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:38,439 Speaker 1: in the church. And this is for God. God don't 1069 01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:42,880 Speaker 1: deserve lights, he don't deserve dancers, He don't deserve like 1070 01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:46,240 Speaker 1: we should be given our all. And we did a 1071 01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:48,440 Speaker 1: performance and it and it didn't work. More telling that 1072 01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:51,760 Speaker 1: the church couldn't handle the power light, shut down tracks, 1073 01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:55,160 Speaker 1: shut down everything, beginner show. We finished the show, I 1074 01:07:55,160 --> 01:07:59,200 Speaker 1: played the piano, finished the show, and it came back 1075 01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:01,080 Speaker 1: to me and said, that wasn't God, that was you. 1076 01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:05,560 Speaker 1: You just wanted to be saved God in in all 1077 01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:09,160 Speaker 1: this mess. M hm. They walked away from me and 1078 01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:13,280 Speaker 1: I was like, can we pause right there? As a preacher, 1079 01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:14,840 Speaker 1: which say, let's put a court in the medium park 1080 01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:18,400 Speaker 1: right there. I'm gonna look into this is my camera, 1081 01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:21,400 Speaker 1: my camera. Let's look into the camera. Da. I'm gonnaok 1082 01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:23,360 Speaker 1: into my camera. I'm gonna say this, where are you now? 1083 01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:26,080 Speaker 1: I want to know the we those young men are. 1084 01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:31,880 Speaker 1: You're watching R and B money. See, this is my issue. 1085 01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:36,160 Speaker 1: We have gifts and talents that we run away because 1086 01:08:36,240 --> 01:08:41,160 Speaker 1: of religiosity, beliefs that don't line up. But how God 1087 01:08:41,240 --> 01:08:44,400 Speaker 1: actually sees us. The Bible says every good and perfect 1088 01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:47,920 Speaker 1: gift comes from him. M hm. He's creative all things. 1089 01:08:49,280 --> 01:08:53,960 Speaker 1: So if he created you, it's in his image and 1090 01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:57,960 Speaker 1: it's in his likeness. I hate the fact that so 1091 01:08:58,320 --> 01:09:02,920 Speaker 1: many stories in like yours, Yeah you are, because a 1092 01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:05,960 Speaker 1: lot of them in bro, Yes you are a gift 1093 01:09:08,280 --> 01:09:11,880 Speaker 1: that was birthed in the church. And because you were 1094 01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:19,000 Speaker 1: mishandled and and and rebuked, the is the proper terminology. 1095 01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:25,599 Speaker 1: It broke you. Here's what's crazy, though, Prophet Tidd Hall, 1096 01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:32,040 Speaker 1: who are you call the names of R and B moneys? 1097 01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:36,360 Speaker 1: Who who I would then um open up for when 1098 01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:39,880 Speaker 1: he come to I did not know that. Yeah, that's crazy. 1099 01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:44,160 Speaker 1: That's my guy. And he he was the person who 1100 01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:48,920 Speaker 1: told me it won't be in here. Sound like him, 1101 01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:51,479 Speaker 1: it's gonna be out there, sit that in front of 1102 01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:55,760 Speaker 1: the entire congregation. You will not. God is sending you 1103 01:09:55,880 --> 01:09:59,160 Speaker 1: out there to do something different. And that was the 1104 01:09:59,200 --> 01:10:01,000 Speaker 1: first time I had he at that and even understand 1105 01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:03,200 Speaker 1: I didn't even understand what that meant because at that 1106 01:10:03,320 --> 01:10:04,960 Speaker 1: time I was like, man, if I can't say, Jesus, 1107 01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:09,759 Speaker 1: I ain't doing it. Wow. And that started my journey 1108 01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:14,759 Speaker 1: into R and B music. That's amazing, bro, Yeah, that's amazing. 1109 01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:17,120 Speaker 1: And I'm willing to I'm willing to go out on 1110 01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:20,600 Speaker 1: a lamb to say some of these bites, especially from me, 1111 01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:26,960 Speaker 1: will be clipped and reposted on some church blocks with 1112 01:10:27,479 --> 01:10:31,120 Speaker 1: some headlines. Isaac Koree went over there to R and 1113 01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:34,559 Speaker 1: B money with Tanking, Jay Valentine and compromising and talking 1114 01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:36,439 Speaker 1: about the church and trying to make the church look bad. 1115 01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:38,519 Speaker 1: Why can't you just stay down. I'm gonna get all 1116 01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:40,960 Speaker 1: of it and I'm here for it, Okay'ally it is 1117 01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:42,599 Speaker 1: because the truth is the truth, no matter when you're 1118 01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:54,680 Speaker 1: in the right right, I'm coming right. I feel like, um, 1119 01:10:55,200 --> 01:10:58,800 Speaker 1: we have done that to so many people. Were responsible, 1120 01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:04,479 Speaker 1: Bro for telling people. There was an artist that told 1121 01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:08,320 Speaker 1: Beyonce she was going to hell absolutely to her face. Absolutely, 1122 01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:15,400 Speaker 1: that's wow, You're going to help absolutely. Oh. The list 1123 01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:18,439 Speaker 1: goes on and on and on, Bro. And what happens 1124 01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:22,560 Speaker 1: is these people are broken now they have, you know, 1125 01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:25,720 Speaker 1: their scriptures that they're going to lean on. I'm just 1126 01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:30,240 Speaker 1: not a proponent to believe that. Uh. I see. I 1127 01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:35,439 Speaker 1: feel like church has created this country club. M. If 1128 01:11:35,479 --> 01:11:37,680 Speaker 1: you don't do it like I do it, if you 1129 01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:39,760 Speaker 1: don't do it this way, if you don't say it 1130 01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:41,559 Speaker 1: this way that, if it doesn't look like this, if 1131 01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:43,960 Speaker 1: it's not packaged like this, then you're not one of us. 1132 01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:46,680 Speaker 1: You can't come in until we need you to come 1133 01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:50,400 Speaker 1: on our show for ratings, until we need you to 1134 01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:54,040 Speaker 1: help get our numbers up. And I feel like, Bro, 1135 01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:59,360 Speaker 1: you can have a relationship with God and not seeing 1136 01:11:59,400 --> 01:12:02,680 Speaker 1: gospel me. I just believe that, and they are. There 1137 01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:07,120 Speaker 1: are people who completely wanted to disagree with me. I 1138 01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:10,840 Speaker 1: don't I'm not into I don't really care that much 1139 01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:13,439 Speaker 1: to argue about it. It's just my belief system. I 1140 01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:16,080 Speaker 1: believe that you that's what that leads me to this, 1141 01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:21,280 Speaker 1: and I'm sorry apologize to you for them. It's terrible, bro, 1142 01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:25,920 Speaker 1: that the church has been responsible for doing people amazing 1143 01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:31,400 Speaker 1: gifts like you like that, Bro, And it's it's it's 1144 01:12:31,479 --> 01:12:35,720 Speaker 1: not even how, it's not. God didn't hang out with 1145 01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:39,759 Speaker 1: the religious people, Bro. He did rock with the perfect 1146 01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:43,000 Speaker 1: person that dressed right and got it all right. He 1147 01:12:43,200 --> 01:12:47,679 Speaker 1: rocked with the pimps, he rocked with Yeah, he rocked 1148 01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:50,240 Speaker 1: with the whole. He rocked with the thieves. He roughed 1149 01:12:50,280 --> 01:12:56,759 Speaker 1: with a man, a man killed another man's another woman's 1150 01:12:56,840 --> 01:13:01,479 Speaker 1: husband just so he can sleep with her. Absolutely good man. 1151 01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:06,519 Speaker 1: After You're a man after my own heart. I don't 1152 01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:11,280 Speaker 1: understand how we have painted this picture that you have 1153 01:13:11,439 --> 01:13:15,679 Speaker 1: to be this in order to get this. It's weird 1154 01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:17,880 Speaker 1: to me and you know, to each his own it 1155 01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:21,519 Speaker 1: is what it is, um, But Bro, when I tell 1156 01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:26,240 Speaker 1: you where we're going and where the world is now 1157 01:13:27,560 --> 01:13:31,800 Speaker 1: now you see people everybody back pal Now you hear 1158 01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:34,840 Speaker 1: less judgment, you hear you know you hear, you hear 1159 01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:38,680 Speaker 1: less of that. Now it's oh, we love everybody, everybody. Well, 1160 01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:41,160 Speaker 1: it should have always been like it should have about 1161 01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:45,759 Speaker 1: why did society have to shift? And you start shifting 1162 01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:48,679 Speaker 1: only because you were afraid to get canceled. You're afraid 1163 01:13:48,680 --> 01:13:50,960 Speaker 1: to get exposed. We're afraid to get called out. So 1164 01:13:51,160 --> 01:13:55,400 Speaker 1: now I just feel like it did us a disservice. Um. 1165 01:13:55,680 --> 01:13:57,760 Speaker 1: But there are a lot of great pastors, a lot 1166 01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:00,519 Speaker 1: of great churches, a lot of great believers and leaders 1167 01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:04,920 Speaker 1: that are changing the narrative of that. You know, pastors 1168 01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:08,320 Speaker 1: like my pastor, Pastor Darius Daniels and Pastor ermal Brian 1169 01:14:08,479 --> 01:14:11,160 Speaker 1: And you know when Kanye was able to even come 1170 01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:14,920 Speaker 1: to these churches to do their thing. Uh, Charles Jenkins 1171 01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:18,680 Speaker 1: and so many pastors have an open mind to understand it. 1172 01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:23,599 Speaker 1: Bro it's not about just the four walls, man, It's 1173 01:14:23,640 --> 01:14:25,679 Speaker 1: like we got to reach the world. I didn't learn 1174 01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:31,040 Speaker 1: any I didn't learn about myself until I left those 1175 01:14:31,160 --> 01:14:39,000 Speaker 1: four walls. So I leave church achieved. Rehearsal minister of 1176 01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:41,120 Speaker 1: music at my guy's church. I leave rehearsal, get on 1177 01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:44,000 Speaker 1: the plane fly of l A to sing backgrounds of 1178 01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:47,680 Speaker 1: genuine and you know, get hired for leed job. And 1179 01:14:48,240 --> 01:14:54,960 Speaker 1: I learned more about myself in a summer, hey, than 1180 01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:58,360 Speaker 1: I had ever learned inside of those four walls. We're 1181 01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:04,000 Speaker 1: gonna continue to, um, get you fired on from the 1182 01:15:04,120 --> 01:15:08,160 Speaker 1: church by diving into your R and B mind even 1183 01:15:08,240 --> 01:15:12,560 Speaker 1: further further than the work. You know, you know not 1184 01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:24,519 Speaker 1: that far you No, I'm not. Let's get into your 1185 01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:28,120 Speaker 1: R and B information. Brother, Um, I want to know 1186 01:15:29,439 --> 01:15:35,439 Speaker 1: your top five R and B artists. Millie doesn't matter, 1187 01:15:36,080 --> 01:15:41,160 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter what, it doesn't matter, kay number one. 1188 01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:48,439 Speaker 1: Now if y'all don't consider them R and B, listen, Yeah, 1189 01:15:48,479 --> 01:15:58,320 Speaker 1: this is your brother. Okay. I gotta go Stevie, absolutely 1190 01:15:58,439 --> 01:16:05,080 Speaker 1: R and B. Okay, I gotta go, Donnie Hathaway kidding ugly, Stevie, Donnie. 1191 01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:10,759 Speaker 1: I gotta go. Michael Jackson, come on, little Michael Jackson 1192 01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:17,280 Speaker 1: to Gary Indiana Control. I gotta go Beyonce come on now, 1193 01:16:18,920 --> 01:16:28,000 Speaker 1: and uh, I gotta go read the Franklin. I gotta 1194 01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:31,040 Speaker 1: go read that list is strong. That's a strong list. 1195 01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:37,000 Speaker 1: That's a list. That's a list all powerhouses, and all 1196 01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:41,599 Speaker 1: changed the game. Yes, yes, all has to this from 1197 01:16:41,680 --> 01:16:45,400 Speaker 1: that day to this present moment, all of them. Fingerprint 1198 01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:49,040 Speaker 1: is on the game. Right now, I argue with you're 1199 01:16:49,080 --> 01:16:51,920 Speaker 1: not my friend. Okay, all right, all right, okay, you 1200 01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:57,680 Speaker 1: did that. You did that, your top five songs your 1201 01:16:57,680 --> 01:17:01,640 Speaker 1: mama would let you listen to. I was trying to 1202 01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:07,120 Speaker 1: figure out what a minute that's good. I was trying 1203 01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:10,040 Speaker 1: to figure out how to wear it. You quick boy, 1204 01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:16,080 Speaker 1: you quick on your feet man, Top five songs your 1205 01:17:16,120 --> 01:17:22,839 Speaker 1: mom Yes, okay, So I gotta go with Michael Jackson. 1206 01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:33,479 Speaker 1: Remember the time shout out, Yes, I gotta go with um. 1207 01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:36,320 Speaker 1: I'm about I'm about to trip you out on this one. 1208 01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:42,320 Speaker 1: I gotta go. Stevie. Wonder if it's magic m you've 1209 01:17:42,360 --> 01:17:46,960 Speaker 1: heard that song? Oh, thank give us something up, give 1210 01:17:47,080 --> 01:17:48,920 Speaker 1: us something. Well, let me say this. I could sink it. 1211 01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:55,599 Speaker 1: I can't sink it, but it's lyrically incredible. I don't 1212 01:17:55,640 --> 01:17:57,960 Speaker 1: want to mess up those lyrics. But it is one 1213 01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:01,880 Speaker 1: of the most dynamic songs mm hmm I probably ever 1214 01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:04,760 Speaker 1: heard in my life. Okay, Stevie, want that was that 1215 01:18:04,840 --> 01:18:09,479 Speaker 1: the first song that's the two. That's number two. Number three, Ah, 1216 01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:15,519 Speaker 1: Donnie had to wear a song for you, Yeah, easy 1217 01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:25,479 Speaker 1: easy money. Number four Whitney Houston. It wasn't saving all 1218 01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:33,000 Speaker 1: my love for you the performance on that song tonight 1219 01:18:33,560 --> 01:18:41,080 Speaker 1: after night, oh man. And then um number five, that's 1220 01:18:41,080 --> 01:18:47,840 Speaker 1: almost Jesus number five. I gotta go with interesting enough. 1221 01:18:48,040 --> 01:18:54,240 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with uh the gap band yearning, gap band, yearning, 1222 01:18:54,560 --> 01:19:05,160 Speaker 1: no Wow, no argument, learning, keep on yearning. Yeah, you 1223 01:19:05,240 --> 01:19:07,479 Speaker 1: can't keep running it out of my life. It's a 1224 01:19:07,640 --> 01:19:11,400 Speaker 1: great lyric. Oh, that's a great lyric. When't dissect that lyric. 1225 01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:15,280 Speaker 1: But I ain't gonna lot of bro man to me, 1226 01:19:15,400 --> 01:19:17,720 Speaker 1: that's a gospel song. Let me tell you why. If 1227 01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:21,680 Speaker 1: you look at that, bro, that's God saying to us, 1228 01:19:22,040 --> 01:19:26,240 Speaker 1: you can't keep running and none of my life. Yea 1229 01:19:26,360 --> 01:19:30,840 Speaker 1: flip that at a decision my heart. Come on, that 1230 01:19:31,360 --> 01:19:39,519 Speaker 1: is yearning for your love. That's crazy. That's crazy. Real vocals, girls, 1231 01:19:40,520 --> 01:19:44,800 Speaker 1: real real vocals, real live goats. You heard him, heard him, 1232 01:19:46,360 --> 01:19:51,960 Speaker 1: you heard him, real life goats. Here all right, here 1233 01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:54,679 Speaker 1: we go, here we go, um R and B votron. 1234 01:19:56,200 --> 01:20:00,000 Speaker 1: I'm gonna put you gonna put your your your your vote, 1235 01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:04,120 Speaker 1: trying R and B singer together. Vocals uh, performance style, 1236 01:20:05,560 --> 01:20:12,120 Speaker 1: styling and passion. Who you getting a vocal from? Who? 1237 01:20:12,360 --> 01:20:20,360 Speaker 1: This is crazy? I'm getting the vocal cato. Mighty bro, 1238 01:20:24,760 --> 01:20:29,000 Speaker 1: I'm gonna take Jasmin Sulloman's vocals. M I'm coming hard. 1239 01:20:30,600 --> 01:20:46,280 Speaker 1: I'm taking Jasmine the gate. Who's performing style? Beyonce? H Yeah, 1240 01:20:47,320 --> 01:20:51,120 Speaker 1: that's what it be. It's a lot, It's a lot. 1241 01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:56,680 Speaker 1: That's a lot. Styling. Who you want him to look like? 1242 01:20:58,240 --> 01:21:00,400 Speaker 1: What are you gonna put them three ads on? Mm 1243 01:21:00,520 --> 01:21:09,160 Speaker 1: hmmm mhm. They got they gotta look like the goat. 1244 01:21:09,280 --> 01:21:15,000 Speaker 1: They gotta let MJ. In terms of lights, camera action, 1245 01:21:15,920 --> 01:21:19,120 Speaker 1: every child had to have a costume. Ever every jacket 1246 01:21:19,120 --> 01:21:23,519 Speaker 1: had the sod the jacket that had the penny loafer 1247 01:21:24,200 --> 01:21:30,759 Speaker 1: like nobody nobody will ever ever ever, everybody either wanted 1248 01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:34,439 Speaker 1: or had a jacket with ten thousand zippers. What that 1249 01:21:34,600 --> 01:21:36,240 Speaker 1: is when you see do you have one? You didn't 1250 01:21:36,240 --> 01:21:41,439 Speaker 1: have one, couldn't afford had one? You have one? Yeah, 1251 01:21:41,920 --> 01:21:48,519 Speaker 1: you definitely had one. Your parents, your parents? Good for you? 1252 01:21:48,720 --> 01:21:51,880 Speaker 1: Are you staying what? Man? I wasn't stick you know, 1253 01:21:52,200 --> 01:21:55,000 Speaker 1: had a bike business? Was nine. I did have a 1254 01:21:55,040 --> 01:21:57,240 Speaker 1: bike business. That's a that's a whole another story. You 1255 01:21:57,280 --> 01:22:02,600 Speaker 1: been an entrepreneur from day one? Oh, no, period. Absolutely, 1256 01:22:02,680 --> 01:22:05,920 Speaker 1: I'm gonna find it. Yeah, you got, you got, you got. 1257 01:22:06,040 --> 01:22:09,920 Speaker 1: You gotta have style like m jour. Who are you getting? 1258 01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:20,719 Speaker 1: The heart from the passion? The passion? Oh my god, 1259 01:22:23,040 --> 01:22:26,760 Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna have to take Uh, I'm gonna 1260 01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:28,920 Speaker 1: have to take a read this passion. He's gonna say that, 1261 01:22:31,560 --> 01:22:32,920 Speaker 1: he's gonna say that, you can't go to the grand 1262 01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:43,320 Speaker 1: mas and Papa, Papa, Papa the opera singer. He lost 1263 01:22:43,360 --> 01:22:46,920 Speaker 1: his voice. He can't saying. And the sound check they 1264 01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:50,240 Speaker 1: like asked, you can't you do it? Is that what happened? 1265 01:22:50,840 --> 01:22:54,840 Speaker 1: That's crazy sound check? I think I heard that, and 1266 01:22:54,920 --> 01:22:57,439 Speaker 1: she said give me a minute. She learned it in 1267 01:22:57,560 --> 01:23:01,200 Speaker 1: sound check and smashed it on the show that night 1268 01:23:02,200 --> 01:23:05,559 Speaker 1: and she had never done it. And end the other language. 1269 01:23:06,760 --> 01:23:12,000 Speaker 1: That's passion. That's that's what I call she cared. Cared. 1270 01:23:12,120 --> 01:23:14,120 Speaker 1: That's care. Bro. You let me tell something you can't 1271 01:23:14,160 --> 01:23:16,120 Speaker 1: care and get away with it. Somebody gotta pay for care. 1272 01:23:17,320 --> 01:23:20,080 Speaker 1: You can, bro, when you care, you got me, you 1273 01:23:20,160 --> 01:23:23,040 Speaker 1: got me in hello hm. A lot of people don't care, 1274 01:23:23,040 --> 01:23:24,880 Speaker 1: a lot of people just going with the gift. But 1275 01:23:24,960 --> 01:23:30,040 Speaker 1: when you care hmm, hit different. It hit different when 1276 01:23:30,040 --> 01:23:32,920 Speaker 1: you care, bro, because it comes from a different place, 1277 01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:38,519 Speaker 1: You pulled from a different whale. Yeah, man, so wow, 1278 01:23:39,240 --> 01:23:44,640 Speaker 1: I think I think I think that person they wor Bro, 1279 01:23:45,040 --> 01:23:49,920 Speaker 1: that's a good vote, like great vote. You know. We 1280 01:23:50,040 --> 01:23:56,000 Speaker 1: also have a segment, Oh God, this is Jay segments 1281 01:23:59,720 --> 01:24:11,759 Speaker 1: so supposed to be fathers, brothers. Listen, many very important 1282 01:24:11,800 --> 01:24:14,439 Speaker 1: part of the show. It's called I ain't saying O name, 1283 01:24:14,840 --> 01:24:18,040 Speaker 1: Oh God. And in this story it can either be 1284 01:24:18,200 --> 01:24:23,599 Speaker 1: funny or messed up. See how I've never said that word. 1285 01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:33,719 Speaker 1: I have not cursed one time this episode. Yes, no, listen, listen, 1286 01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:35,479 Speaker 1: I ain't recently because all the time you call me, 1287 01:24:36,160 --> 01:24:40,519 Speaker 1: we ain't on the phone. Right now, we're in front 1288 01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:45,240 Speaker 1: of them people, right We're We're about a new faith, 1289 01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:54,720 Speaker 1: new faith Baptist church. Have a knock on people. Not 1290 01:24:54,920 --> 01:24:59,800 Speaker 1: curse one time? Thank you, brother. I might have cursed 1291 01:24:59,880 --> 01:25:03,640 Speaker 1: like ship. I don't know. No, I'm not. I'm not 1292 01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:07,800 Speaker 1: gonna do it. I'm gonna make it through the first 1293 01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:13,160 Speaker 1: time ever. Huh. Never, Bro, Never could I ask you 1294 01:25:13,240 --> 01:25:17,160 Speaker 1: why I like the cuss? No? No, I asked me 1295 01:25:17,320 --> 01:25:20,880 Speaker 1: why you haven't cussed? Like, you know, you didn't have 1296 01:25:20,920 --> 01:25:22,840 Speaker 1: to change for me. I know, I know, so what 1297 01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:27,560 Speaker 1: you know, I like to challenge myself. I like, I 1298 01:25:27,640 --> 01:25:29,960 Speaker 1: like your style, guy, But it's actually but it's also 1299 01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:31,320 Speaker 1: I think it's also what you said to it's a 1300 01:25:31,360 --> 01:25:33,960 Speaker 1: reference to the people who are watching. Yeah, and its 1301 01:25:34,600 --> 01:25:36,720 Speaker 1: people you bring to the table. Absolutely, I think it's 1302 01:25:36,760 --> 01:25:43,840 Speaker 1: a shirt. Now I've cursed in way, silky shirt. Well 1303 01:25:43,960 --> 01:25:48,960 Speaker 1: me in my community, we thank you, um some of 1304 01:25:49,040 --> 01:25:53,120 Speaker 1: them because I still love Jesus. But it's all good, man. 1305 01:25:53,560 --> 01:25:55,000 Speaker 1: You don't ever have to You don't ever have to 1306 01:25:55,080 --> 01:25:57,120 Speaker 1: dumb down. You're not dumb, but you don't have to 1307 01:25:57,160 --> 01:26:01,560 Speaker 1: do that. But that that man, it's all good. So 1308 01:26:03,760 --> 01:26:05,960 Speaker 1: the story can need to be funny and messed up. Okay, 1309 01:26:06,920 --> 01:26:10,960 Speaker 1: are both funny and messed up. The only rule to 1310 01:26:11,080 --> 01:26:15,800 Speaker 1: the story is that you can't say the names. You 1311 01:26:15,880 --> 01:26:20,200 Speaker 1: can't say to people that's involved. So this is Isaac Cries, 1312 01:26:20,680 --> 01:26:31,400 Speaker 1: Isaac Kyrie. It's definitely flat. This is Isaac Crees. I 1313 01:26:31,400 --> 01:26:36,040 Speaker 1: ain't saying on names. So the time that little Willis 1314 01:26:36,080 --> 01:26:41,880 Speaker 1: and CARDI I'm joking, man, totally joking. Okay, I'm not 1315 01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:48,280 Speaker 1: saying on names. Go with me all right. So there 1316 01:26:48,360 --> 01:26:52,560 Speaker 1: was a time I was doing a show and I 1317 01:26:52,640 --> 01:26:55,760 Speaker 1: was on the road with someone else and in the 1318 01:26:56,040 --> 01:27:01,840 Speaker 1: middle of the show while they were performing, Uh yeah, 1319 01:27:01,880 --> 01:27:11,240 Speaker 1: they they shot it on themselves. Did they have on white? Yeah? Yeah, 1320 01:27:11,360 --> 01:27:18,080 Speaker 1: they shot on themselves and did it got bad? And 1321 01:27:18,479 --> 01:27:21,040 Speaker 1: I'm a person that you all know me, but for 1322 01:27:21,120 --> 01:27:23,559 Speaker 1: anybody out there who don't know me, which is probably 1323 01:27:23,600 --> 01:27:27,479 Speaker 1: a lot of people, you can I can't hold my laugh. 1324 01:27:29,240 --> 01:27:32,439 Speaker 1: And it's not just a laugh. It's not as I'm weeping. 1325 01:27:34,840 --> 01:27:40,040 Speaker 1: I'm a crier and I'm weeping like like Jesus wasn't 1326 01:27:40,040 --> 01:27:42,160 Speaker 1: the back of the boat just he he did, said 1327 01:27:42,240 --> 01:27:45,240 Speaker 1: Jesus wept shortest Bible versus the Bible. I was weeping. Bro, 1328 01:27:45,360 --> 01:27:48,400 Speaker 1: could not I could not get myself together, and it 1329 01:27:48,520 --> 01:27:51,719 Speaker 1: wasn't and they couldn't get They eventually got the stage. 1330 01:27:51,800 --> 01:27:53,599 Speaker 1: But when I tell you about how they got the stage, 1331 01:27:53,760 --> 01:28:02,600 Speaker 1: it was know what, I don't know, Bro, I don't know, 1332 01:28:03,080 --> 01:28:05,800 Speaker 1: I don't know. I just know it was bad. Bro, 1333 01:28:06,400 --> 01:28:09,880 Speaker 1: it was bad. And I was like, Wow, And I 1334 01:28:10,120 --> 01:28:12,320 Speaker 1: never forgot that moment. And me and a couple of 1335 01:28:12,360 --> 01:28:15,719 Speaker 1: my friends we laugh about that to this day. Wow. 1336 01:28:15,880 --> 01:28:17,760 Speaker 1: But it was bad. Yeah, that would be that that 1337 01:28:17,760 --> 01:28:19,360 Speaker 1: would be tough. That would be tough to get to, 1338 01:28:19,640 --> 01:28:23,400 Speaker 1: Like I know me, I would have to be like, hey, 1339 01:28:23,479 --> 01:28:26,880 Speaker 1: hey guys, we're gonna be right back. Yeah. It was 1340 01:28:27,560 --> 01:28:33,679 Speaker 1: cleaned up, and the walk off was still. I don't 1341 01:28:33,680 --> 01:28:38,920 Speaker 1: know why us stiff in the walk it's done. No, 1342 01:28:39,280 --> 01:28:42,080 Speaker 1: I think the walk off is stiff because it was 1343 01:28:42,160 --> 01:28:47,559 Speaker 1: more than it was just like its kind of like, oh, 1344 01:28:51,439 --> 01:28:56,320 Speaker 1: I've been there. Not on stage, Oh I've been there. 1345 01:28:58,320 --> 01:29:05,439 Speaker 1: I've been there that those stage, my ministry man, dog, 1346 01:29:05,680 --> 01:29:19,720 Speaker 1: I'm telling you, that's just a regular poop. You know. 1347 01:29:20,720 --> 01:29:24,240 Speaker 1: Give me that great goose, make me drink. We have 1348 01:29:24,520 --> 01:29:32,000 Speaker 1: we have been blessed um beyond measures looking at me, wait, 1349 01:29:36,160 --> 01:29:43,600 Speaker 1: um by our brother, our friend, UM vocal theologian, the incomparable, 1350 01:29:43,840 --> 01:29:48,400 Speaker 1: the incomparable. Um you are him. I had I just 1351 01:29:48,680 --> 01:29:52,240 Speaker 1: we were just I was just hosting a club in Atlanta, 1352 01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:56,400 Speaker 1: and he blessed us with his presence. And I looked 1353 01:29:56,439 --> 01:29:58,400 Speaker 1: at him while I was singing this particular song, and 1354 01:29:58,439 --> 01:30:00,439 Speaker 1: I was like, He's like, no, no, good, I'm good. 1355 01:30:00,439 --> 01:30:05,080 Speaker 1: I'm good. You're gonna sing on this song as a career, 1356 01:30:06,800 --> 01:30:10,439 Speaker 1: and you're gonna sing it good. And in the middle 1357 01:30:11,040 --> 01:30:17,000 Speaker 1: of this club that was you know club. They don't 1358 01:30:17,000 --> 01:30:19,320 Speaker 1: they don't know who as a career is. But I 1359 01:30:19,360 --> 01:30:23,840 Speaker 1: promise you this. When he finished singing, he absolutely wanted 1360 01:30:23,880 --> 01:30:26,639 Speaker 1: to know who he was. And I looked at the bank. 1361 01:30:27,800 --> 01:30:30,240 Speaker 1: What do you want me to do with this? How 1362 01:30:30,320 --> 01:30:34,880 Speaker 1: that you've done that? Um? Thank you Mann, Thank you 1363 01:30:35,120 --> 01:30:38,479 Speaker 1: as always man for being an inspiration. Um for being 1364 01:30:38,520 --> 01:30:44,599 Speaker 1: a brother to us, and hum for giving us, giving 1365 01:30:44,680 --> 01:30:48,000 Speaker 1: us jims Man, giving us insight, giving us the lessons. 1366 01:30:48,040 --> 01:30:54,160 Speaker 1: I mean, because making it practical. It's very hard thinking 1367 01:30:54,200 --> 01:30:57,320 Speaker 1: all of that makes sense in real life. It's difficult. 1368 01:30:57,360 --> 01:30:58,680 Speaker 1: And you do that well. You know, I will go 1369 01:30:58,760 --> 01:31:01,560 Speaker 1: to your church. Yeah I would, Yeah, I would go 1370 01:31:01,600 --> 01:31:03,120 Speaker 1: to I don't like what you looked at me when 1371 01:31:03,120 --> 01:31:07,479 Speaker 1: I No, that's good because that means, uh that I'm learning. 1372 01:31:08,160 --> 01:31:10,600 Speaker 1: I'm doing well. So when you come to Atlanta and 1373 01:31:10,720 --> 01:31:12,559 Speaker 1: just come to my church and I'm not the pastor, 1374 01:31:13,200 --> 01:31:15,000 Speaker 1: but my pastor is cool and he's a dude that 1375 01:31:15,040 --> 01:31:19,599 Speaker 1: you're a rock. Ma'll come from Chilly No no good, 1376 01:31:19,640 --> 01:31:22,519 Speaker 1: makes no pangs. He's he's he's been thinking, one of 1377 01:31:22,520 --> 01:31:26,080 Speaker 1: the greatest communicators of our time. So yeah, so I'm 1378 01:31:26,120 --> 01:31:28,400 Speaker 1: gonna hold you for that. Now, come on, man, there's 1379 01:31:28,439 --> 01:31:31,960 Speaker 1: gentlemen again. I'm taking I'm just downtown and this has 1380 01:31:32,040 --> 01:31:50,320 Speaker 1: been money Money. R and B Money is a production 1381 01:31:50,400 --> 01:31:53,599 Speaker 1: of the Black Effect podcast Network. 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