Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL podcast, can't be the Too High
Speaker 1: show from the Chris Westling podcast studio. It's Around the NFL.
Speaker 1: I'm Dan Kansas, joined by the heroes Greg Rosenthal and
Speaker 1: Mark Sessler. Greggy, It's the week four teen Sunday recap show,
Speaker 1: the flagship program, and it very nearly did not happen.
Speaker 1: Our podcast came so close to ending today. How's that?
Speaker 1: You've got me on edge? Almost over, at least over
Speaker 1: as we know it all, Ricky, here comes the onside
Speaker 1: kick with one seventeen left. Tucker bounces to the right side,
Speaker 1: hits off a Browns player in the Ravens recover at
Speaker 1: the fourty yard line. Wow. If the Ravens recovered that
Speaker 1: on sidekick and then turned it into the game winning
Speaker 1: field goal to beat the Browns. Mark's gone and the
Speaker 1: show as we know it is over. Thankfully the Browns
Speaker 1: got to stop and we'll get to the game later.
Speaker 1: But it was so close. Yeah. I think, you know,
Speaker 1: Greg and I we are in the office during these
Speaker 1: early games, and I think that I was probably annoying
Speaker 1: you with my you know, I was dropping some Sailors
Speaker 1: language in the direction of the Ravens and the Browns.
Speaker 1: It would have been over. It would have been tough.
Speaker 1: We would have had to step into Mark at a
Speaker 1: lot of responsibilities today would have been but it was.
Speaker 1: It was. It was typical. This was that like the
Speaker 1: theme of the week, kind of if we're looking over arching.
Speaker 1: It started with that crazy Vikings game. Given up the
Speaker 1: big lead. The Browns gave up the big lead. Uh,
Speaker 1: they won. The Cowboys gave up the big lead, they won.
Speaker 1: The Bucks gave up the big lead, they won. The
Speaker 1: forty Niners gave up the big lead, they won. And
Speaker 1: like I mentioned, it all started back on Thursday night
Speaker 1: when I watched that Vikings team drive that strawberry truck
Speaker 1: all over the field. Don't you think I forgot right?
Speaker 1: If you listen to the recap. You know, Greg listened
Speaker 1: to the Thursday Night Show when he's not on it,
Speaker 1: and you got to give him respect for it. And Mark.
Speaker 1: I literally my my stomach jumped when the onside kick
Speaker 1: cap because I knew the ramifications could have been huge.
Speaker 1: But we're all together, Well, what do you think I
Speaker 1: would have done? I don't know. Like I mean, our
Speaker 1: windows on the second or third floor are there hermetically sealed.
Speaker 1: I guess. I guess I could imagine driving in and
Speaker 1: just seeing like a hole where the office used to be,
Speaker 1: so everyone's going out, thankfully didn't come to it. We're
Speaker 1: gonna get to the Browns, who almost impossibly um are
Speaker 1: in position to win that a f C North because
Speaker 1: that division is so wide open. We're gonna get into
Speaker 1: what's going on there. But yes, let's start with the
Speaker 1: on paper, what was the game of the day, and
Speaker 1: then it didn't look like it was gonna be that way,
Speaker 1: but oh hell yeah, it turned out to be a
Speaker 1: great ball game down there in Tampa between the Bills
Speaker 1: and the Bucks. Pressure coming from the outside, pot ball,
Speaker 1: first out of the fifty outside the number forty till
Speaker 1: the thirty yard live Permanshot Parman touchdown tample by Fox
Speaker 1: running overtime Paramon Paramon, Parleman, Janecker, w f Us Josh
Speaker 1: Allen played like a star in the second half, but
Speaker 1: Tom Brady reminded us in overtime that he is to
Speaker 1: go to the quarterback hooked up with Jets legend Brashad
Speaker 1: Perriman for a fifty eight yard touchdown. It was the
Speaker 1: game winning score in a wild thirty three seven win.
Speaker 1: Over the Bills. Tampa Bay moves to nine in three
Speaker 1: tenant three and remained very much in the mix for
Speaker 1: the number one seed in the NFC. Thank you Mark.
Speaker 1: The Bills meanwhile, all of a sudden seven and six
Speaker 1: and in danger of falling out of playoff position in
Speaker 1: the a f C Entirely what a game, Greg so
Speaker 1: good to three felt over and yet the Bill's defense
Speaker 1: went on a run before that overtime drive by the
Speaker 1: Bucks where five of the six Bucks offensive drives went
Speaker 1: for ten yards or less, not counting the Neil downs
Speaker 1: in that defense that we've heard about all year. Got
Speaker 1: them back into the game. Josh Allen got them back
Speaker 1: into the game. But ultimately the team with the win
Speaker 1: here and the thirty three points are led by what
Speaker 1: I think is the most unstoppable force in all of
Speaker 1: the NFL right now, which is the combination of Tom
Speaker 1: Brady and this offensive line. Those two things together are
Speaker 1: so hard to beat for sixty minutes or or sixty
Speaker 1: five like in this game. He had a lot of throws,
Speaker 1: including that game winner where it wasn't out of his
Speaker 1: hand that quickly. And yes, they struggled in the second
Speaker 1: half against a good past defense, but in the first
Speaker 1: half bowling the way for Leonard four Nette protecting Brady.
Speaker 1: When you've got that good of a line, even against
Speaker 1: a good defense, and that good of a quarterback playing
Speaker 1: at such a high level, man, it's gonna take a
Speaker 1: really special offensive performance to beat them. And the Bills
Speaker 1: got that. But they only got about a half of that.
Speaker 1: They didn't get a full game of that. Well, it's
Speaker 1: funny because you mentioned, you know, the script writers, the
Speaker 1: football gods um made seven or eight games this weekend
Speaker 1: feels like had the same narrative hugely lost. It didn't
Speaker 1: lose it. Here's the same thing I I if I'm
Speaker 1: a Bills fan, it was twenty seven to ten at
Speaker 1: one point, and had that turned into thirty seven to
Speaker 1: thirteen or something. Western New York is on fire after
Speaker 1: what happened last week and this week, and you're looking
Speaker 1: at a Bills team that is going to be heavily
Speaker 1: critique NonStop. I thought they fought their way back into
Speaker 1: this thing in a valiant effort that yes, I know
Speaker 1: you lost, but you've got Carolina next. Then that Patriots game,
Speaker 1: the victory game. I don't know, I mean it happened.
Speaker 1: I just think that like that it was so negative
Speaker 1: a week ago. There's a lot to take away from this,
Speaker 1: and you lost to what is arguably the best team
Speaker 1: in football, that is the most consistent team in football
Speaker 1: in a season when there's like two or three consistent
Speaker 1: teams in the entire league. I mean, when it's twenty
Speaker 1: four to three at halftime coming off what happened on
Speaker 1: Monday night against New England, and then they go three
Speaker 1: and out to start the So it's just like at
Speaker 1: that time, it just felt like the walls had caved
Speaker 1: in for the Bills and this was gonna be a
Speaker 1: season that was remembered ultimately as one of titanic disappointment
Speaker 1: for Bill's franchise that had Super Bowl aspirations. And yeah,
Speaker 1: they still lost. So there at seven and six, Um,
Speaker 1: they're gonna have and they have, of course, like we said,
Speaker 1: the Patriots coming up in two weeks um, and that
Speaker 1: could be good or bad for them obviously, and it's
Speaker 1: just like, yes, they have worked to do. But it's
Speaker 1: a reminder why you do not count out the Bills
Speaker 1: because they do have um Josh Allen, and I think
Speaker 1: Allen is one of those special players that he can
Speaker 1: really carry it to He put that entire team on
Speaker 1: his big boy back and nearly took it home that
Speaker 1: he came near the end before they kicked the tying
Speaker 1: field goal at the end of the fourth quarter, he
Speaker 1: very nearly or the game winning touchdown. It was a
Speaker 1: game of inches, and so they fell short. But I
Speaker 1: think people that root for the Bills and supports Bills,
Speaker 1: and I think Sean McDermott are thinking about themselves, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is a bummer, and we didn't finish off this comeback,
Speaker 1: but I think we got another. We got more fight
Speaker 1: left in us. We're not going to stay on the mat.
Speaker 1: We'll be up. I was ready to count them out
Speaker 1: after the Patriots thing, and that's me jumping the gun
Speaker 1: on some of these things over and over, but I
Speaker 1: was especially ready to do it about the time Dan
Speaker 1: hit the office and things looked awful. And it's the
Speaker 1: rare game where I think the three of us got
Speaker 1: to sit down and watch it, you know, tick by
Speaker 1: tick as it went to its final conclusion. It was
Speaker 1: totally thrilling. And I think there's a connection. By the way,
Speaker 1: since I do, I think that you are you're saying
Speaker 1: you were rooting it on. You were into that game
Speaker 1: as I've seen all years for a spiritual for these
Speaker 1: Bills on some left. Josh Allen's game was so good.
Speaker 1: He goes twelve nine on the ground and a touchdown,
Speaker 1: and that was an early emphasis him on design runs
Speaker 1: and him putting his foot in the ground when he
Speaker 1: sees man coverage and he sees a lane and scrambling
Speaker 1: for yards too. I think that could be one solution
Speaker 1: to their running games struggles. They literally didn't call a
Speaker 1: carry for their running backs in the first half, which
Speaker 1: was almost hilarious, and Bills fans are losing their mind,
Speaker 1: you know. They finally cast them in the second half,
Speaker 1: and they pop a couple. Alan hurt his what looked
Speaker 1: like either his foot or his ankle. He's got a
Speaker 1: little bit of a toe injury. They wrapped his ankle
Speaker 1: and he still played great. And yet I know, I
Speaker 1: hear everything you're saying, and that's true. And I don't
Speaker 1: think this team would doubt itself and I've I have
Speaker 1: never gotten off the point where I think they're an
Speaker 1: a f C contender. I still do at seven and six.
Speaker 1: With all that said, this would have been a nice win,
Speaker 1: like they don't have a lot of those nice wins
Speaker 1: against good teams, they have a lot of heartbreaking losses
Speaker 1: against the teams no. And and they could have called
Speaker 1: a holding or a pass interference on the Bucks late
Speaker 1: in that game that that non call I didn't have
Speaker 1: as big a problem with as the Evans got a
Speaker 1: pass interference call uh in in overtime. And so a
Speaker 1: couple of things also went against them in this game,
Speaker 1: and they did not make their own luck either. I'll
Speaker 1: get to that in a second. As I've said, on
Speaker 1: like numerous occasions, a lot of my numerous anger, yes
Speaker 1: many times, it's another way to say, my anger and
Speaker 1: my frustration around Tom Brady mostly dissipated when he left
Speaker 1: New England, but sometimes it will resurface when things like
Speaker 1: that happened. The Bills don't get the p I call
Speaker 1: at the end of the fourth quarter, and then the
Speaker 1: Bucks do get a suspect d p I UH call
Speaker 1: in overtime that sets up them by Evans James, it
Speaker 1: was a terrible call. He went. He knew he was
Speaker 1: trying to get a penalty there. I know, and I
Speaker 1: saw the same thing happen for the Browns in the
Speaker 1: favor of the Browns today again, Yeah, an under thrown ball,
Speaker 1: receiver comes back to it, and everybody's like given Mike
Speaker 1: Evans a ton of credits, Like, actually, he's just playing
Speaker 1: the ball. He's got to slow down and come back
Speaker 1: because it's an under thrown ball and they're just throwing
Speaker 1: the flag every time. It's got to be a point
Speaker 1: of the system they look at in the off season.
Speaker 1: This game had so much to it. It was one
Speaker 1: of the more fascinating games of the year, like Godwin, Evans,
Speaker 1: Gronk and then Paraman and four net In the end,
Speaker 1: they made such good plays for Brady, not always on
Speaker 1: the best throws to like that's underrated too, that he
Speaker 1: has guys that can make place. But I think it
Speaker 1: showed the strength and the weakness of McDermott. The strengths are.
Speaker 1: Romo made a good point of him adjusting on the
Speaker 1: sidelines and really changing what they did defensively. About midway
Speaker 1: through that second quarter, Romo kind of first guests that
Speaker 1: there and McDermott didn't like wait for halftime to make adjustments.
Speaker 1: They changed what they were doing defensively and they shut
Speaker 1: it down. That's where McDermott is maybe as good or
Speaker 1: better than any coaching the league. But with some of
Speaker 1: the game management stuff, uh, kicking a field goal inside
Speaker 1: the five early in the game, they go for a
Speaker 1: fake punt on fourth and two instead of just having
Speaker 1: your offense out there to go for the fourth and two.
Speaker 1: It didn't work. So that's easy to guess. But the
Speaker 1: biggest problem I had was was the punt uh in
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter. And you can say, well, look they
Speaker 1: came back like that was him trusting defense. Well, it
Speaker 1: was right before the Bucks went on a six minute drive.
Speaker 1: And the way the Bills were playing offense at that point,
Speaker 1: I think actually supports the point when they go touchdown, touchdown,
Speaker 1: field goal. After that's like they're playing good offense. Trust
Speaker 1: them to go get a couple of yards. You've got
Speaker 1: like one thing coming out of last week when they
Speaker 1: were getting killed in the red zone against New England,
Speaker 1: they had a touchdown that were the drive got it
Speaker 1: ended at the Tampa Bay eighteen, a touchdown from the
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay fifteen, a touchdown from the Tampa Bay four in,
Speaker 1: a field goal from the seven. They capitalized on that
Speaker 1: this summer around, and you know what I want to
Speaker 1: see the Patriots and Bills play in normal, right, but
Speaker 1: when he did not adjust in that Patriots game, you
Speaker 1: gotta go do it in that game too. I mean,
Speaker 1: I just I think they were exposed. And then wait,
Speaker 1: they are confirmed as a good team again. All right,
Speaker 1: So the Bills finished with three or four teams under
Speaker 1: five hundred and the Pats. And one last note on Brady,
Speaker 1: that's seven hundred career touchdown passes when you factor in
Speaker 1: the postseason. And he also, for whatever this means to you,
Speaker 1: probably doesn't mean much. He became the NFL's all time
Speaker 1: completions leader, so he owns every record. I mean, when
Speaker 1: you played forty four, some of these numbers where Drew Brees,
Speaker 1: I was thinking, like Dre Brees keeps having to talk
Speaker 1: like I saw him on Sky Sports earlier, just talk
Speaker 1: about how great Brady is as he like breaks his records.
Speaker 1: That's like the ultimate revenge. And Manning's on the Manning
Speaker 1: Cast talking about great football on his biggest rivals. I
Speaker 1: don't know, I'm not that concerned about. But yeah, let's
Speaker 1: let's now move to the other overtime late game two.
Speaker 1: Barn Burns kind of saved this Sunday Jimmy Garoppodolf first
Speaker 1: and chnch weelve yard lying in a roll. There was
Speaker 1: left Rolls caught by Brandon. You trot the chat. That's
Speaker 1: clearly I think that is a touchdown. Here's Craig Rolls
Speaker 1: stad What do you got, Craig after a touchdown? Touchdown? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: sad are whoa? You don't need no water to let
Speaker 1: him score? Whoa? And that doesn't get bongoes, Ricky, She's
Speaker 1: a tough grader. You gotta put that in for the
Speaker 1: calls of the year, Call of the Year, Beat It World,
Speaker 1: Greg Papa and Tim Ryan Kay and be R. You
Speaker 1: know people now are paying attention, Ricky. That's a responsibility
Speaker 1: you have. Where do the bongos belong from week to week?
Speaker 1: Are you ready for that response? Found a better landing staff?
Speaker 1: Let's wait and see. I'm not judging you. I'm saying
Speaker 1: you're aware though, that people see that as a reward.
Speaker 1: Like your power rankings, there's other things that come into
Speaker 1: maybe a bad game named sub juice. It's too early
Speaker 1: in the show and you don't want to lose one
Speaker 1: of you gotta figure out no judgment zone. Thank you
Speaker 1: just coming up. We just you don't know what could
Speaker 1: Jimmy G connected with Brandon Aiyuk, who dove over that
Speaker 1: pylon for the game winning scoring. Great editing work by
Speaker 1: Tam Posey. They're shopping it all uplifting the forty niners
Speaker 1: to overtime win over the Bengals. The San Francisco football
Speaker 1: team blew a twenty to six lead in the fourth quarter,
Speaker 1: fell behind a fell behind by a field goal in overtime,
Speaker 1: but they found a way mark thanks to big time
Speaker 1: efforts from Jimmy G, a you and another I'm better
Speaker 1: than everyone performance from George Kittle. You said it. I
Speaker 1: was trying to think of what what this game made
Speaker 1: me feel, because I went in with so much excitement
Speaker 1: thinking that, you know, these two pet teams of mine
Speaker 1: would create a barn burner from wire to wire and
Speaker 1: it was not the case. And it kind of reminds
Speaker 1: me like, um, you know, you'd go back at the
Speaker 1: back of the day, you'd go to like a huge
Speaker 1: house party and stay at someone's house and you'd sleep
Speaker 1: over and there'd be this one guy in the floor
Speaker 1: that you didn't really know at all, but he was
Speaker 1: like snoring or snoozing, totally out and like you'd be
Speaker 1: there for two hours waiting from the wake up and
Speaker 1: get farting, and you'd be thinking, like, this guy is
Speaker 1: the most like annoying individual ever, and then when he awakens,
Speaker 1: suddenly he's dropping bombs. He's funny, he's hilarious, and he's
Speaker 1: like he's the life of the party. You're thinking, that's
Speaker 1: what this game was when it started a round into
Speaker 1: form because you were you're not trusting Jimmy g in
Speaker 1: this game. Early on, Joe Burrow, the passing attack for
Speaker 1: Cincinnati was off kilter, and then both quarterbacks caught total
Speaker 1: fire and they just ditched the running games, which is,
Speaker 1: you know, atypical for both of these teams. It was
Speaker 1: one big play after the next. George Kittle thirteen catches,
Speaker 1: a hundred and fifty one yards and a touchdown. It
Speaker 1: was on our Friday show that Greg asked, why aren't
Speaker 1: the Niners just throwing it to George Kittle over and over? Well,
Speaker 1: they listened. It was definitely Greg and it and they
Speaker 1: did it today and you know it was you and
Speaker 1: you called yourself a potential offensive coordinator, so maybe you've
Speaker 1: got something going on there. George Kittle is good. This
Speaker 1: became a total firework show down the stretch, and I
Speaker 1: thought that Burrow and Jimmy g especially, I have Jimmy
Speaker 1: G not, you know, have one of his terrible he
Speaker 1: almost had one terrible turnover, none of that. Like, it
Speaker 1: was one big play after the next, and it gave
Speaker 1: me faith in the Niners because I really thought mentally
Speaker 1: they were broken. After Robbie Gould missed that field goal,
Speaker 1: I thought they were gonna go into overtime and just
Speaker 1: get waxed. They did not. They came back with the
Speaker 1: winning drive after the Bengals field goal, and they are
Speaker 1: They are seven and six like every other team in
Speaker 1: the league right now, so they've got life. So like
Speaker 1: with this game, uh, just like the first game we
Speaker 1: talked about, I came away with it more impressed with
Speaker 1: the losing quarterback, Joe Burrow, who was just so fun.
Speaker 1: I I tweeted, uh, well he's a better quarterback. But
Speaker 1: Jimmy g didn't collapse, right, They just finished. Like I
Speaker 1: tweeted during the game, I want to be a Bengals fan,
Speaker 1: and everybody I was kind of winking obviously because nobody
Speaker 1: would want to be a Cincinnati fan. But it's there
Speaker 1: is something to be said when you're watching games now
Speaker 1: and there's this twenty three year old quarterback with a
Speaker 1: ton of charisma that is really making the Bengals fun
Speaker 1: to watch. And you could see it in that stadium.
Speaker 1: How fun the uh even though the three and four
Speaker 1: at home this year and they've had some clunkers, it's
Speaker 1: just a really fun atmosphere. And when he got that
Speaker 1: team rolling, it just felt like it was over. It
Speaker 1: felt like once Cincinnati got back into the game, once
Speaker 1: they tied it up, once they took the lead in overtime,
Speaker 1: that Guaroppolo was either gonna fumble or throwing an interception.
Speaker 1: And we'll be talking about the same old stuff with
Speaker 1: San Francisco. And yet I think Jimmy g does deserves
Speaker 1: credit here Greg because this was a big time performance
Speaker 1: from him. It's not just whoever is the quarterback for
Speaker 1: George Kittles a great player, Brandon Ayuk. He did deliver
Speaker 1: in a big spot where he could have melted. He did.
Speaker 1: But then that dive, that play by Auk was crazy.
Speaker 1: Some of those catches by Kittle, It's a team effort
Speaker 1: and more than anything, he got a chance to do
Speaker 1: it because of Nick Bosa. Like that, that overtime drive
Speaker 1: that Cincinnati had ends on one of Nick Bosa's two sacks,
Speaker 1: and both of those sacks came in massive spots that
Speaker 1: San Francisco forty Niners are so shorthanded at cornerback because
Speaker 1: of injuries, also because of Dante Johnson, a starter who
Speaker 1: unfortunately lost his mom over the weekend, was not available
Speaker 1: for this game. And they're playing just kind of Hammond Eggers.
Speaker 1: And that's why Tee Higgins can go five for one fourteen.
Speaker 1: That's his third straight over a hundred. But it's like
Speaker 1: the you love to see your best players show up,
Speaker 1: and that's kittle Au because is now becoming one of those,
Speaker 1: obviously Jimmy g but also Bosa. That was just like
Speaker 1: a massive game in seven and six in the NFC,
Speaker 1: like the forty Niners are, is not the same as
Speaker 1: seven and six in the a f C. The forty
Speaker 1: Niners are a solid game up on the seven seed
Speaker 1: even with that win. So each one of these wins
Speaker 1: in the NFC for San Francisco really gets them closer.
Speaker 1: It probably is only gonna take them going too and
Speaker 1: two the rest of the way to make the playoffs.
Speaker 1: The way this NFC is shaping. You're right, I think
Speaker 1: that the Niners did a pretty good job of masking
Speaker 1: their issues on the outside at cornerback for much of
Speaker 1: this game, and then it was too much, and you know,
Speaker 1: had had the Bengals been waxed, had this just taken
Speaker 1: on the form of the early part of the game,
Speaker 1: I would look back at Zach Taylor kicking a field
Speaker 1: goal from the San Francisco ten at fourth and two.
Speaker 1: Later on, earlier on, I should say they kicked a
Speaker 1: field goal from the San Francisco nineteen at fourth and one.
Speaker 1: This does not get you invited to the analytics Christmas party. Um,
Speaker 1: that's sort of nineteen tactics right there. But you know,
Speaker 1: when you've got Burrow playing the way he did on
Speaker 1: the stretch at Mass, some of those sins that do
Speaker 1: you you reminded me of a pretty classic text rant
Speaker 1: from the Spice rack. Are we do you guys want to?
Speaker 1: It's filled with expletives? Do you think that our audience
Speaker 1: wants to hear it? I don't know. Maybe you could
Speaker 1: clean it up so Ricky doesn't have to don if
Speaker 1: you just let it rip. I don't know, Okay, I
Speaker 1: don't know where to start because it went on for
Speaker 1: so long. But here here we go. Here that dip
Speaker 1: fire Zach Dave Seula greater than Zach Taylor, Bruce Coslic
Speaker 1: greater than Zach Taylor, Dick Lebo greater than Zach Taylor,
Speaker 1: shious head and history picked a great time to establish
Speaker 1: the run. What a face Apple, no follow up? The
Speaker 1: funny thing is Coslate over Taylor is actually the most
Speaker 1: vicious thing he said in there. Davids. Try to try
Speaker 1: to enjoy this. I understand the try to enjoy this.
Speaker 1: It's a fun, exciting team. They might not win every game,
Speaker 1: but think where you were two years ago. I've been
Speaker 1: pretty heartbreaking if you're a Bengals. Yeah, that's said there.
Speaker 1: Now the ninth seed, they've been bumped out of you.
Speaker 1: Fair enough, Okay, we gotta keep moving here. Up next,
Speaker 1: let's head to Kansas City, where the Chiefs are looking
Speaker 1: to get their offense and gear and running. Luck pulls
Speaker 1: out of Jacob Fubbles picked up my Kansas City turn
Speaker 1: Touchdow Kanso City, Mike Shoes what the scoop and score
Speaker 1: on the very first play from scrimmage, niche oldis w
Speaker 1: d If that was the game right there, it was
Speaker 1: over after one play from scrimmage. The Raiders are ready
Speaker 1: to go home, and they played like it for the
Speaker 1: next three and a half hours. Patrick Mahomes through his
Speaker 1: first two touchdown passes in nearly nearly a month. Clyde
Speaker 1: Edwards a Laire added two more scores on the ground.
Speaker 1: The Chiefs defense continued its surge, forcing five turnovers, rolling
Speaker 1: to a forty night to nine victory over the moribund
Speaker 1: Raiders that keeps Kansas City comfortably ahead in the a
Speaker 1: f C West. You know, first of all, forty eight
Speaker 1: points nearly drop a fifty burger. So again, the temptation
Speaker 1: here is to say Chiefs are good now on offense,
Speaker 1: I'm not quite there. I think I think they had
Speaker 1: three yards of total offense. I think this was a
Speaker 1: game where, yes, you start with the defensive score, you
Speaker 1: do a nice job moving the ball, nothing like otherworldly
Speaker 1: like old school Chiefs, but definitely some strides in that department,
Speaker 1: and then a Raiders team that just weren't there to compete.
Speaker 1: And this is the same Raiders. Remember there was that
Speaker 1: controversy where they took the bus and did like a
Speaker 1: celebration lap. When was that last season? And they stood
Speaker 1: on midfield and they did all this stuff. And you
Speaker 1: know that stuff always comes back to haunt teams when
Speaker 1: they do dumb stuff like that, because that was obviously
Speaker 1: a point, a point for the Chiefs after the game
Speaker 1: that they just wanted to destroy this team after they
Speaker 1: tried to embarrass them uh at Arrowheads. So yes, good
Speaker 1: job by the Chiefs getting right. And by the way,
Speaker 1: now that five game winning streak is a six game
Speaker 1: winning streak. And if this is a sign that the
Speaker 1: offense is waking up a little bit, we'll look out
Speaker 1: because if you do do combine, maybe not record setting
Speaker 1: offense like the good old days, but a good offense
Speaker 1: with this very good defense right now, you're going to
Speaker 1: continue to win a lot of games. There nine and
Speaker 1: four now and the Raiders six and seven and getting
Speaker 1: ready for dirty. It is the worst loss in the
Speaker 1: sixty one year history of the Raiders. That surprises me.
Speaker 1: Forty eight nine is brutal, but the whole history team.
Speaker 1: I got something else that will surprise you this game,
Speaker 1: and we'll annoy you. Was a score of gummy. I
Speaker 1: will say nothing else but eat it. Wow, I can't
Speaker 1: Definitely the most interesting part of this game to me,
Speaker 1: I can't, I can't believe this. The Raiders season. Look,
Speaker 1: the Chiefs of their entire slump offensively has been interrupted
Speaker 1: now twice by forty Burgers against the Raiders. They've slumped
Speaker 1: still against everyone else. Those are there, two good games.
Speaker 1: But yet this Raiders collapse happening in the exact same
Speaker 1: way that it's happened the last couple of years. I
Speaker 1: don't know why. I'm I'm surprised they have a winner
Speaker 1: go home game on Saturday afternoon. Good luck with that, Mark, Um.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like the last Saturday before Christmas. Um,
Speaker 1: you know you gotta handle your family, and there's a
Speaker 1: Biders by Saturday. I'm just saying that's that's kind of
Speaker 1: a winner go home game in the you know the
Speaker 1: Raiders technical for maybe for both, but certainly for the Raiders.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you that it's over. It's over. But you
Speaker 1: think that's crazy to me? Remember that there was that
Speaker 1: uh Dolphins. It's almost like it happens at the same
Speaker 1: time every year too, when they're officially gone. There was
Speaker 1: that Dolphins Raiders game a year ago. It's just like
Speaker 1: it's so depressing and I think, I know, I need
Speaker 1: to watch. Get eyes on. This game for Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 1: is good no matter how you cut it in point
Speaker 1: eight yards either because given their struggles and they've been
Speaker 1: fairly immense Kansas City, uh for most of the season.
Speaker 1: Just any time you could you know, run for a
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty yards. Um, you know he threw for
Speaker 1: two fifty eight Mahomes. You're still not getting you know,
Speaker 1: Tyreek popped off one for thirty eight yards. Just still
Speaker 1: not getting like those huge, huge games Travis Kelsey again
Speaker 1: quiet um, but this was you know, great win and
Speaker 1: it was over quick five turn up five. You know
Speaker 1: you win the turnover e merge five to nothing. There's
Speaker 1: no Darren Waller out there that is liked. I I
Speaker 1: know it's the real I know it's the Raiders and
Speaker 1: they don't they clearly number one. If you don't match
Speaker 1: up well against the best team in your division, good luck.
Speaker 1: But uh, the defense for Kansas City is there's no
Speaker 1: questioning how powerful they've become and that can lead you.
Speaker 1: I mean it doesn't have to look like it looked
Speaker 1: in the past for the Chiefs. I mean this is
Speaker 1: also a game where Josh Gordon, who turned thirty eight
Speaker 1: four weeks ago. Um had a touchdown. So what are
Speaker 1: you talking about? I'm just saying, I feel like we've
Speaker 1: been talking about Josh Gordon for seventeen years, so I'm
Speaker 1: assuming he's thirty eight. He I think he's been twenty
Speaker 1: nine twelve. But yeah, it was like a one yard touchdown,
Speaker 1: whereas one of those homes runs. That's really a past.
Speaker 1: But good for Josh Gordon. He's overcome a lot. At
Speaker 1: Brown's home, Brown goes at Colts First Chargers technically Brown's, Uh,
Speaker 1: the Raiders are still alive, but uh, there it is.
Speaker 1: That's when the soul of a team goes up until
Speaker 1: sis they're gone. The Raiders are gone. I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's not the same as forked because that's a full vote.
Speaker 1: I can only tell you when I hear it, and
Speaker 1: that happened, I know, but they dan they are a
Speaker 1: totally broken boat, leaking barrels of water. But what happens
Speaker 1: when they off Cleveland next week? They're in the and
Speaker 1: they're in the heavens. It's not happening. You did you
Speaker 1: hear that or was that just in my head? Now?
Speaker 1: I heard it. It was the soul going on that's
Speaker 1: gone I'm not sure. All right, let's pause right here
Speaker 1: and take a break. We'll be right back. Fourth down
Speaker 1: at six from the forty five in Baltimore. He's got
Speaker 1: the stat back to pass FROs called baper gun it
Speaker 1: have approach, stop back, head bys, award's awards, head them
Speaker 1: right off my button, forty five. Get the ball back,
Speaker 1: game said match, Okay, all right, give up, give it
Speaker 1: to him, give it to mark It in the ones
Speaker 1: shook Jim Donovan with the call w k r K.
Speaker 1: Did the Browns deserve bongoes? Yes, you are not going
Speaker 1: to be in charge of every day when you beat
Speaker 1: Tyler Huntley barely that. You gotta get the bongos, all right,
Speaker 1: both of you and exhale. The Browns nearly allowed Tyler
Speaker 1: Huntley in the Ravens to pull off a miracle victory,
Speaker 1: but the defense got the big stop on fourth down
Speaker 1: near midfield. They secured a vitally important twenty two win
Speaker 1: at the Dog Pound. Yes, Huntley replaced Lamar Jackson, who
Speaker 1: was ineffective before exiting the game with an ankle injury
Speaker 1: in the second quarter. Shookie, welcome back, buddy, how are you?
Speaker 1: I'm great? A Steelers winter cap there for a second,
Speaker 1: but Cleveland, this is Cleveland Cavalier's baby, all right, you
Speaker 1: go shooky curious. What was the level of internal terror
Speaker 1: when Baltimore recovered that on side kick in the final minute?
Speaker 1: Is there with this scale on? Is this one to ten?
Speaker 1: One to ten is like Peter pants seventy four wet pants,
Speaker 1: change them pants? Yeah, a rough little ending there, but
Speaker 1: I guess you take some strength from out of the
Speaker 1: team's ability to stop the stop that final drive. Uh yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean you're playing against Tyler Huntley, who, by the way,
Speaker 1: let a game when you drive against the Bears recently,
Speaker 1: so it's not like he's the worst quarterback in the league.
Speaker 1: But it's still Tyler Huntley, and you let him run
Speaker 1: all over you a little bit, and you let him
Speaker 1: fill the ball up and down the field and mount
Speaker 1: a comeback. But you do take a little bit of
Speaker 1: excitement and enjoyment out of that. Jadeveon Clowney coming up
Speaker 1: with a big sack on second down, Denzel Word with
Speaker 1: a nice stick on fourth down to stop them well
Speaker 1: short of the sticks on a play call that I'm
Speaker 1: sure the Ravens will want back. Um, So you're you're
Speaker 1: happy about the defense. You're still concerned about the fact
Speaker 1: that the offense couldn't do anything in the second half,
Speaker 1: could not put their foot on the throat and put
Speaker 1: this game away when they had multiple opportunities too. And
Speaker 1: if you're the Browns are happy to still be alive
Speaker 1: in a division that is very wide open after the
Speaker 1: Bengals loss, you beat the Ravens. I mean, it's all
Speaker 1: right there in front of you. I feel like, because
Speaker 1: yet it was concerning. And when it was twenty four
Speaker 1: to six, I told Greg that I was nervous, and
Speaker 1: you know, I understandingly logically, were said, just shut up
Speaker 1: with that. You're there fake, you said, now, you said
Speaker 1: the Ravens are going to win. And at that point
Speaker 1: it was twenty four to nine and the Ravens had
Speaker 1: the ball with ninety yards to go, and it was
Speaker 1: like in the fourth quarter, I'm like, what, I haven't
Speaker 1: watched this game, but that's crazy, you know what you
Speaker 1: were kind of right? Well, I mean I just think
Speaker 1: that we're conditioned to what what the low points these
Speaker 1: teams were possible. But if anything from a more like
Speaker 1: esoteric angle, it no one's gonna remember the details of
Speaker 1: this game A week or two from now. They needed
Speaker 1: to They needed to off a division opponent like the
Speaker 1: Ravens to shut a lot of negativity up. I mean,
Speaker 1: you could feel the frustration from Baker Mayfield that one
Speaker 1: juncture where I don't know if it was the league
Speaker 1: or the team pulled him off the field after that
Speaker 1: terrible hit he took and he was in the face
Speaker 1: of the medical guy saying, don't make me go in
Speaker 1: that blue tent, And even like after he had been
Speaker 1: there in a minute, he peeked his head out to
Speaker 1: see what the next play was, and then he was
Speaker 1: back on the field at some point. I also this
Speaker 1: seemed um sort of emblematic of the game to me.
Speaker 1: That kept shooting um or showing images of Lake Erie
Speaker 1: and it looked like an angry Baltic sea. I mean,
Speaker 1: it looked insane out there. You were on the scene,
Speaker 1: or at least in the city. What's going on there.
Speaker 1: It's been extremely windy here for the last forty eight hours,
Speaker 1: to the point where I was carrying a cardboard box
Speaker 1: outside yesterday with my girlfriend trying to take her to
Speaker 1: North fron Rack to return some stuff, and I basically
Speaker 1: almost got blown over by the wind. The box went
Speaker 1: flying large box, so that that very choppy waters out there.
Speaker 1: But I thought you were actually gonna point out the
Speaker 1: color of the watermark, which was a nice tinge of
Speaker 1: depressed depressed brown and not the not the brown of
Speaker 1: the Browns were, but just like a gross lakewater brown. Uh.
Speaker 1: But you know, I mean, I know you like enjoy
Speaker 1: every win against the Ravens, but the Browns to me
Speaker 1: are a unique team this year in that there's they've
Speaker 1: had a lot of winds you kind of can't totally enjoy.
Speaker 1: Like the Lions win, didn't totally enjoy that one. There
Speaker 1: was that Vikings win early in the season. I'm not
Speaker 1: so sure about that. They were like even that Texans
Speaker 1: game early. Didn't really enjoy that. The fact that this
Speaker 1: is a team that their trade mark was a bit
Speaker 1: the ability to run in the fourth quarter and like
Speaker 1: grind teams out, lose Kareem Hunt to what could be
Speaker 1: a big injury, and Chubb struggles and that Baltimore who's
Speaker 1: so shorthanded and lost Clea Scampbell during the game. Rallies
Speaker 1: back that it feels like it's about as bad a
Speaker 1: win over the Ravens at least as as possible. That's it.
Speaker 1: When does it win? Though? And I think that's all
Speaker 1: they want, right especially the way they lost to them
Speaker 1: two weeks ago and another game that they easily could
Speaker 1: have won if they could do anything offensively. The fact
Speaker 1: that they were able to pull this one out by
Speaker 1: building that lead and hanging on for dear life. They
Speaker 1: all count the same, and at this point in the year,
Speaker 1: that's all that matters. Lamar. We need to find out
Speaker 1: the severity of this ankle injury. You know, he goes
Speaker 1: out in the second quarter. Um, he limps off, can't
Speaker 1: really put a ton of weight on it, and that
Speaker 1: gets carded and doesn't return, So you know they're they're cooked.
Speaker 1: Tyler Huntley does make some plays and he has good mobility,
Speaker 1: but also he's like strikes me as like fairly unique
Speaker 1: in that I don't know too many quarterbacks and he's young.
Speaker 1: I think he's in the second season where he almost
Speaker 1: is not aware that other players are chasing him. The
Speaker 1: blindside shots he takes and the way he holds the ball,
Speaker 1: so it's almost like he has so much to learn
Speaker 1: in terms of awareness. It costs him on a couple
Speaker 1: of different plays, including a turnover in the red zone.
Speaker 1: So if if Lamar is missing any extended amount of time,
Speaker 1: I think the Ravens are have a very real chance
Speaker 1: because even with Jackson in the line of the offense
Speaker 1: is so bad right now, Um, and then at the
Speaker 1: Bengals and then the Rams, there's a chance, there's a chance.
Speaker 1: And on the brown side of thing, I do still
Speaker 1: feel the same way. They did not score a point
Speaker 1: in the second half. It's such a conservative offense now
Speaker 1: less than three hundred yards here. I know Baker after
Speaker 1: the getting games said he was he's feeling better than
Speaker 1: he's felt, but there's just no juice to this team
Speaker 1: buying the feeling better thing. I mean, it's it's I
Speaker 1: just think that this is a quarterback struggling in every
Speaker 1: possible way. They don't have Does he have to be
Speaker 1: in the line of if he's playing. I hear what
Speaker 1: you're saying. Hear what you're saying, Like they just they
Speaker 1: don't have a clear cut number one wide out. Um,
Speaker 1: they were without two tight ends that I think are
Speaker 1: important to Baker today they could they haven't been. It's
Speaker 1: it's two straight games against the Ravens. They haven't been
Speaker 1: able to run the ball in the first game, you
Speaker 1: picked off Lamar four times and lost. In this game,
Speaker 1: Lamar barely played and you nearly lost. I think that
Speaker 1: should be a heat check, whether you came out of
Speaker 1: here with a victory or not. I have one question
Speaker 1: at one point in that game, at one point in
Speaker 1: the game, the Ravens had more points than they had
Speaker 1: first downs and it still ended up into two point finish.
Speaker 1: That it should be concerning. Yeah, very wild ending to
Speaker 1: the game. One question mark we when we drafted this week.
Speaker 1: I took the Browns game because you said you needed
Speaker 1: a break and didn't want to watch a brown do
Speaker 1: You very clearly watched the game close. So here's what happened.
Speaker 1: We were um I took. I was under the impression
Speaker 1: that Bengals Niners was a one pm game and it
Speaker 1: got moved to four pm, so I got that ugly
Speaker 1: two four pm things. So I had, you know, the ability,
Speaker 1: and the band was to watch it. Had I can't
Speaker 1: confirm this. He came in talking about it. He's like
Speaker 1: he was suddenly surprised. It's like, did move that game?
Speaker 1: So he was looking at a thing less. I always
Speaker 1: start with more games, and then you know, I killed
Speaker 1: today the point of it was, though, that you needed
Speaker 1: a break from them entirely, not really, Like if I
Speaker 1: really wanted a break, i'd be like in a park
Speaker 1: somewhere like he was. You watched the Browns game more
Speaker 1: closely than your quote primary game Tennessee Jackson. Now we
Speaker 1: see what you're doing. You better bet your ass. All right,
Speaker 1: let's move on. Here's Newton. He's gonna throw quick shot,
Speaker 1: intercepted Michael Walker, and he's got road in front of it.
Speaker 1: Walker will SCOREF ten five pick six off Cam Newton,
Speaker 1: and Atlanta leads West Durn with a call w z
Speaker 1: g C linebacker Michael Walker returned to an interception of
Speaker 1: Cam Newton sixty six yards for a touchdown. The Falcons
Speaker 1: improved to six and two on the road this year.
Speaker 1: They beat up on the Panthers. Uh shookie, they're good
Speaker 1: at all, but they are undeniable, undeniably in the NFC
Speaker 1: playoff picture with four games to play. Yeah. I had
Speaker 1: that moment today when I looked at their record on
Speaker 1: the on the score graphic and thought to myself, Oh no,
Speaker 1: this team has a legit shot to make the playoffs,
Speaker 1: and I don't know what I'm betting. Yes, Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: terrible because that this is the one situation in which
Speaker 1: the third wild card might actually produce like a bad team.
Speaker 1: Like last year, Washington kind of got hot going to
Speaker 1: the playoffs made for Chicago. You know, we had to
Speaker 1: watch Trabinsky when the Nickelodeon Valuable Player a War and
Speaker 1: that was pretty rough. Yeah, I mean, this is the
Speaker 1: This game was between two similar teams. That was kind
Speaker 1: of a snoozer in the fourth quarter, which is more
Speaker 1: emblematic of where the Panthers are headed right now. I
Speaker 1: think you have to be proud of the Falcons because
Speaker 1: of what they're doing. I think with the talent that
Speaker 1: they have, because you got Kyle Pitts, who's who's flashed
Speaker 1: at times, but having Calvin Ridley for a long time, Um,
Speaker 1: you know, it's just you can tell when they when
Speaker 1: they're out there in the Quadriolison's getting carries and and
Speaker 1: you're throwing to Russell Gage. This is not a team
Speaker 1: that's loaded with talent, and yet they are scrappy and
Speaker 1: in a game like this, they're playing a team that's similar,
Speaker 1: they're both kind of just out there existing right now. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, they took advantage. I mean marks this game
Speaker 1: the first time around, though, and Carolina wiped the floor
Speaker 1: with them physically, like ran at forty nine times and
Speaker 1: just like boss them around. And so to me, it's telling.
Speaker 1: It's these two young coaches that Atlanta comes back around.
Speaker 1: They were like negative a hundred million points point differential
Speaker 1: this year. They were thirty second in d V A
Speaker 1: way coming into this week, and yet they're six and seven.
Speaker 1: And I think looking at these two teams, you can
Speaker 1: say one team is better coach and I and Carolina.
Speaker 1: Who you bring in Cam Newton, that's a mess, I
Speaker 1: know that. But you score twenty one points with him
Speaker 1: and p J. Walker and your defense comes back on
Speaker 1: the field when your offense cuts it to one score
Speaker 1: late and all you gotta do is get one stop
Speaker 1: and you can give your offense a chance and their
Speaker 1: defense could not get off the field. And you know
Speaker 1: what Kyle Pitts, I know he only went five for
Speaker 1: sixty one, but he always makes big like game winning
Speaker 1: type third and thirteen conversion So that doesn't show up
Speaker 1: in your fantasy box score, Dan, but I think he's
Speaker 1: I think he's won them a couple of games. I
Speaker 1: really say, my frustrat and he has. You're right, he's
Speaker 1: made some big plays. My frustration has nothing to do
Speaker 1: with Kyle Pitts, the player or the prospect. I think
Speaker 1: he's really talented and has a chance to have a
Speaker 1: great career. But at one point, I tweeted in the
Speaker 1: first quarter Kyle Pitts fantasy owners looking at the box
Speaker 1: score and realizing yet another four thirty eight zero outings
Speaker 1: upon us with Jack Nicholson from the Shining knocking down
Speaker 1: all the dishes. With four minutes left in this game,
Speaker 1: he had four catches for thirty eight yards and zero touchdowns.
Speaker 1: Then he got the big catch. That was huge. But anyway,
Speaker 1: the Falcon's offense is a little sleepy and dreary, but
Speaker 1: they're in the mix. I shook. This came across my emails,
Speaker 1: something that you wrote to flip it to Carolina, and
Speaker 1: they're coaching issues. Matt rules, spaghetti at the wall approach
Speaker 1: is growing tiresome. I have been a big supporter of Rule,
Speaker 1: but the last fortnight has been about as ugly as
Speaker 1: it could at for Matt Rule and the whole idea
Speaker 1: of what he was bringing to Carolina. Yeah, I'm glad
Speaker 1: you said this because this is my bone to pick
Speaker 1: with them. I am out on Matt rule, like completely out.
Speaker 1: He cans his offensive coordinator and you know, makes him
Speaker 1: to scapegoat, hands the job off to his lifelong buddy
Speaker 1: and they put up twenty one points while rotating quarterbacks
Speaker 1: at times. What is the point of rotating court? What
Speaker 1: are you trying to figure out what you have in
Speaker 1: p J. Walker? We know what you have in p
Speaker 1: J Walker on XFL Star, who is a backup quarterback
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Why are you wasting your time doing
Speaker 1: this to the head coach? Yeah, yeah, okay, all right?
Speaker 1: In the backgrounds, I mean, is p J Walker much
Speaker 1: worse than two thousand one? Kim? And I love the
Speaker 1: process of of going back and forth between them. That
Speaker 1: that and that's my point is what is the point
Speaker 1: that we're going back into maybe a little context, just
Speaker 1: that I saw some of the Beat reporters saying that
Speaker 1: thing you've heard about Cam because he signed in the
Speaker 1: middle of the season, he doesn't have a good level
Speaker 1: of knowledge in the two minute drill in in the playbook,
Speaker 1: so they put in Walker at the end of the half.
Speaker 1: That's why he went in, and that's why Cam came
Speaker 1: back in the third quarter. But even then it's just
Speaker 1: like what are we doing here? Like what you know,
Speaker 1: what are we doing? Matt? You know that too minute
Speaker 1: drill and they put him in for you know how
Speaker 1: it ended p J Walker throwing one of the worst
Speaker 1: picks I've seen this year, and that that's the last time.
Speaker 1: I'm done with them, I think. And we're gonna get
Speaker 1: to Urban Meyer because I think he's roadkill basically, But
Speaker 1: I think rule when you're gonna get to that six
Speaker 1: to eight number at the end of the year on
Speaker 1: black on Black Monday, I think rule despite that contract
Speaker 1: that he signed, very much in danger right now, that's
Speaker 1: there's four games, Like, there's four games left, Mark, So
Speaker 1: let's say they lose them all, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Then that that plays a big factor, Like if they
Speaker 1: lose it all, that keeps getting worse. And it's five
Speaker 1: and twelve, but I think they know the owner is
Speaker 1: an impatient individual. Alright. One more game was shooky and
Speaker 1: we're lucky to have him hand off to Gordon Gordon
Speaker 1: a big hold five Gordon into the end zone, touchdown.
Speaker 1: Denver y'all words on the touchdowns scampers. He walks into
Speaker 1: the end zone the Broncos honored the memory of Damarius
Speaker 1: Thomas with emotional tributes and a thirty eight ten win
Speaker 1: over the Lions. Running back to Javante Williams and Melvin
Speaker 1: Gordon each scored a pair of touchdowns, and Draymont Jones
Speaker 1: had a big game two sacks of Jared Goff. So
Speaker 1: obviously a very emotional day in denver Um. Damarius Thomas
Speaker 1: died at As Georgia home on Thursday, age thirty three,
Speaker 1: and you know they're still working through the details of
Speaker 1: what exactly happened, but a tragic loss, obviously for one
Speaker 1: of the greatest players in franchise history at the wide
Speaker 1: receiver position. UH. Several Broncos arrived at the stadium wearing
Speaker 1: number eighty eight jerseys, UH, kicker Brandon McManus where custom
Speaker 1: cleats featuring Thomas's smile. There's a pregame moment of silence,
Speaker 1: a video tribute featuring Thomas's a d R touchdown catch
Speaker 1: from Tim Tebow, and the famous playoff game. And then
Speaker 1: it all culminated with the Broncos taking the field with
Speaker 1: just ten men UH to start the game. The first
Speaker 1: snap in honor of Thomas, it was a five yeard penalty.
Speaker 1: Of course, the Lions declined the delay of games, so
Speaker 1: you know, shook a really sad time and and broncos
Speaker 1: um for that organization. Uh, they were able to process
Speaker 1: that and play a really strong game and kind of
Speaker 1: keep themselves in the mix in the a f C
Speaker 1: as well. A really strong game and a good bounce
Speaker 1: back performance for them after that frustrating loss to the
Speaker 1: Chiefs in prime time last week. You know, this is
Speaker 1: another team that's right there in the hunt. This is
Speaker 1: a game that you know, you couldn't afford to to
Speaker 1: be kind of a trap game, especially Lions coming off
Speaker 1: of that victory, and they took care of business and
Speaker 1: what was a somber day that they also handled with
Speaker 1: extreme class. I think, Um, you know that you could
Speaker 1: say a lot about the franchise and the way they've
Speaker 1: operated since the passing of Pat Bowlan and and this
Speaker 1: is one of their you know, brighter moments both on
Speaker 1: the field and just in terms of their own history
Speaker 1: and honoring you know, one of the legends of that
Speaker 1: team and for them from their season outlook, you know,
Speaker 1: you you get right back on the horse and you
Speaker 1: keep going forward, and uh, it's a positive day for them.
Speaker 1: I mean, you get a strong day out of your
Speaker 1: running attack, you kind of dominate the game and you
Speaker 1: take care of business. So good on them. They called
Speaker 1: eighteen runs to five passes in the first two drives.
Speaker 1: You see that too often, and it was fourteen nothing.
Speaker 1: It's like a lot of people have been getting on
Speaker 1: Melvin Gordon this year because I just want to Javonti
Speaker 1: Williams show and Javanti Williams like made a great spin
Speaker 1: move on his touchdown. Melvin Gordon's good ball player. You
Speaker 1: want to have two good running backs. It's a great combo.
Speaker 1: It's a Vic Fangio dream. And this team, who's just
Speaker 1: the exact picture of mediocrity, gets to that Cincinnati game
Speaker 1: next week, still in that mix, still in that seven
Speaker 1: and six mix where one of those two team whoever
Speaker 1: wins that game, uh, is gonna have a nice little juice.
Speaker 1: What if what if you were Vick Fongio and you
Speaker 1: told ownership back in August, we'll have the same record
Speaker 1: as the Buffalo Bills coming out of Week four. Team,
Speaker 1: I mean, even if you had just said we'll be
Speaker 1: seven and six, I think they'd be like, okay with
Speaker 1: the Bill's ankle. I think that would probably be shinier.
Speaker 1: Let's see where the Broncos are. I'm looking at the
Speaker 1: updated playoffs standings going into Sunday Night football. They're up
Speaker 1: two spots, they're ten, but they're tied. I mean they're
Speaker 1: tied the six spot. It's crazy that that that there's
Speaker 1: one game between like the four and the thirteen, or
Speaker 1: the or the ten. Rather, it's crazy there's five AFC
Speaker 1: teams that are seven and six. Hello parody, all right, Chucky,
Speaker 1: thank you for joining us, pal and um, we'll catch
Speaker 1: up with you next week. And make sure and check
Speaker 1: out Nick's great work on NFL dot com. And he's
Speaker 1: all over the network now, Shook making a little play.
Speaker 1: You know, we wanted to be successful. It's like when
Speaker 1: Sam Donald was traded to the Panthers. We want it.
Speaker 1: We want him to find success in his new home
Speaker 1: because he's a good guy. But just don't become too successful,
Speaker 1: because you mean, well, I don't want him to take
Speaker 1: over power rankings. I don't want him to take my
Speaker 1: chair here on around the NFL. I want him to
Speaker 1: have his own lane where he's successful, but he doesn't
Speaker 1: impact me in a negative way. Seems fair like, not
Speaker 1: a crazy request. I mean, Shook will be at the
Speaker 1: bottom of that Lake Erie scenario if he gets too
Speaker 1: close to Dan, trust me or Greg especially please, I
Speaker 1: mean an I don't want that. I don't want to pipe.
Speaker 1: What's up with you? Mark? What was that comment? Especially
Speaker 1: sneaking speaking truth? Please? You just said you don't want
Speaker 1: him near anything that you are doing. I was joking
Speaker 1: and then you came in with some Mike because I
Speaker 1: was just saying I saw Greg's I saw Greg's mind working,
Speaker 1: so I just translating Greg's mind. Ricky, did you notice
Speaker 1: like I'm joking around over here and then Mark's throw
Speaker 1: But it totally gets what I'm saying, right Erica, Well,
Speaker 1: I way don't come after Erica either wasn't so throwing
Speaker 1: it at me makes it better. I feel like we
Speaker 1: should take a minute and just like recomne, everybody, everybody
Speaker 1: take a deep breath. We got a lot of show left.
Speaker 1: We'll be back after tired to the whole room. Fact
Speaker 1: is allan pressure that's a ball, throws the ball out
Speaker 1: as he's being sacked by Gregory, and maybe HiT's a fumble.
Speaker 1: It's picked up by Dallas. They are calling it Gregory
Speaker 1: forcing a fumble and Dallas has recovered Brad Sham the
Speaker 1: Sham God k r l d with the call. The
Speaker 1: Cowboys led Washington zip before Kyle Allen replaced an injured
Speaker 1: Taylor Heineke let a seventy three yard touchdown drive and
Speaker 1: then Cole Holkom intercepted Doc ran it back for a
Speaker 1: pick six, But Washington's comeback bid came to an end
Speaker 1: when Alan fumbled with play final score. Cowboys Washington a
Speaker 1: preordained outcome after Big Bad Zaddy Mike McCarthy foretold it
Speaker 1: and shared his vision with the masses. The Big the
Speaker 1: Big Bad Zaddy made it all about him. We're gonna
Speaker 1: win this scang. I'm confident, that confident, that confident that
Speaker 1: we're gonna win this scang. Confident, confident, confident. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: like it. It's like it's like I want everyone to
Speaker 1: talk about me. Lock it up, baby, get on the
Speaker 1: side of the big what's going on here? Get on
Speaker 1: the side of the Big Bad Zaddy. Well, congratulations Greggy too.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's it's so in the Westlings, they locked up.
Speaker 1: The Bucks got away with that one. Ricky locked up
Speaker 1: the bye week. You didn't make a pick. Yeah she did.
Speaker 1: She locked up the Yeah, I picked the Bills because
Speaker 1: I really was like the Bills. You know that's the
Speaker 1: lock for you. You wanted the other team to win, right,
Speaker 1: Yeah I won? Yeah, lock it up again. We're flying.
Speaker 1: The Titans won grave things back there. Hit him up.
Speaker 1: I mean they Cowboys were outscored twenty three in a
Speaker 1: game where for the most part their defense was absolutely dominant,
Speaker 1: where they hit Tyler Taylor Heineke so many times that
Speaker 1: he was injured. It was like that, like this was
Speaker 1: the blown lead, that felt the flukey ist. At no
Speaker 1: point did I think Washington was going to complete this.
Speaker 1: And yet the Cowboys getting the ball seven times in
Speaker 1: the second half, just like that Saints game. Oh, the
Speaker 1: Saints game they won by a lot seven times in
Speaker 1: the second half and they got three points. And you
Speaker 1: know how they scored those three points. Their offense set
Speaker 1: them up in field goal range and then they had
Speaker 1: a ten, you know, fifteen yard drive. They did nothing.
Speaker 1: It's weird that Cowboys fans are freaking out right now
Speaker 1: because Dak had a game where he could have thrown
Speaker 1: about four interceptions. He did not play well in the
Speaker 1: first half when they got out to about nothing in lead,
Speaker 1: I was thinking, this is exactly like Thursday night where
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins is somehow having one of his worst games
Speaker 1: of the year and they're winning twenty nine to nothing.
Speaker 1: It was very similar to that, and you add that
Speaker 1: up and it is it is concerning, and yet you
Speaker 1: do have to remember the other side counts too, and
Speaker 1: the Cowboys defense is freaking amazing. I'm looking at this.
Speaker 1: This is one of the weirder and more incredible drive
Speaker 1: charts I've seen all year. Eleven of fourteen marches for
Speaker 1: the for Washington went for eleven yards or less. The
Speaker 1: first half was as dominant a defensive performance as any
Speaker 1: half of football all year. The Washington football team had
Speaker 1: six drives, and those six drives they turned the ball
Speaker 1: over twice. They had a total of twenty nine yards
Speaker 1: on those six drives, and if the Cowboys could have
Speaker 1: held on to some interceptions, they actually touched the ball
Speaker 1: far more in the first half. I counted up six
Speaker 1: or so I think it was six passes defense. About
Speaker 1: four of those were dropped interceptions. Heiniki was a mess,
Speaker 1: uh and he only had two or three completions. So
Speaker 1: at that point in the game like the Cowboys doesn't
Speaker 1: running all over this team, and yet the offense like
Speaker 1: should have put up sixty points in this game. Is crazy,
Speaker 1: very weird. I mean just the box score here, Dak
Speaker 1: averages five and a half yards of attempt the Gabbard zone,
Speaker 1: Zeke with another you know, forgettable game less than four
Speaker 1: yards to carry. They ran for most of the second
Speaker 1: half as Clement played because you know, we had no
Speaker 1: Pollard in this game. He was out as well, so
Speaker 1: you know, even with Pollard not in the mix, they
Speaker 1: still didn't think Zeke was a guy who could make
Speaker 1: it through the game. And I guess you couldn't. So
Speaker 1: it's like, man, I think, and we talked about this
Speaker 1: going into this game, both on the podcast and on
Speaker 1: the TV show, that is Dak going to kind of
Speaker 1: come come, you know, back to being the dock that
Speaker 1: was an m v P level guy. And and it's
Speaker 1: starting to mount. The weeks are starting to mount mark
Speaker 1: where it's just not happening here. And yet, I mean,
Speaker 1: just with the way the league is and with the
Speaker 1: way it's been for quarterbacks this season, like I'm willing
Speaker 1: more than ever to forgive slumps and um, you know,
Speaker 1: we could be weeks away from Prescott getting in a
Speaker 1: hot streaking at the right time they put them. They
Speaker 1: basically won the NFC East today and that was it
Speaker 1: was up for grabs if they had lost this game,
Speaker 1: So that's important. Like, you're right, they have four games left,
Speaker 1: a pretty favorable schedule their nine and four. Can they
Speaker 1: turn around? They have the personnel to do it. Uh,
Speaker 1: And just the way that this like Parsons added another
Speaker 1: couple of massive plays for his defensive player that you're
Speaker 1: Kindessee Gregory returns to this game, Randy Gregory jumps over
Speaker 1: a cut block, tips it up in the air and
Speaker 1: intercepts the past and and force like players matter, and
Speaker 1: they're getting these players back, and like they still have
Speaker 1: all the players that should get it done. But the
Speaker 1: Dack thing's weird. He's very indecisive and he's like almost
Speaker 1: afraid to run. There were multiple times today where he
Speaker 1: could have picked up a first down with his legs
Speaker 1: and he didn't, and they punted the ball because he
Speaker 1: just sort of held it and hesitant. And Jane's point
Speaker 1: made me think. It makes me think more of his
Speaker 1: health though, because there's nothing about the personality we know
Speaker 1: of dak from hard knocks and beyond it says anything
Speaker 1: out fear or yeah, Jane had said that maybe the
Speaker 1: injuries he suffered as leading to something. But even if
Speaker 1: it's not, like in his mind directly that he's not
Speaker 1: running and performing as an athlete in his natural way
Speaker 1: and being a little bit more gunshy. So we'll see.
Speaker 1: And on the Washington side, yeah, this was their chance
Speaker 1: they're taking to get back into the division race. The
Speaker 1: defense balls out and they still don't find a way.
Speaker 1: That's a frustrating loss. Let us move on. Willing do
Speaker 1: his right as Herbard sets his feet takes a shoutdown field,
Speaker 1: has Gudan good club stops. There is one quarterback in
Speaker 1: the NFL that can make that play, and he is
Speaker 1: on the field here this afternoon, and it makes no
Speaker 1: sense put that in the best of that money Smith,
Speaker 1: our boy, the voice of God for the Around the
Speaker 1: NFL podcast, also gets a paycheck from k y s
Speaker 1: R Chargers Radio. Great call. Justin Herbert is a savage
Speaker 1: in the pocket. The second year stud through three touchdown passes,
Speaker 1: including that impossible missile to Jalen Guiton. He's done two.
Speaker 1: He's done that two weeks in a row, just crazy
Speaker 1: passes in the end zone to guitone. Chargers beat Giants. Mark.
Speaker 1: We challenge the Chargers to take care of business, business
Speaker 1: and act the part of an actual a f C contender,
Speaker 1: and they did it today. They absolutely did, setting up
Speaker 1: a monstrous game on Thursday night with the Chiefs. Go
Speaker 1: back and listen to that call again from Money because
Speaker 1: there's an obviously distinct pause after he threw the ball
Speaker 1: and when it was caught. I mean, this was one
Speaker 1: of the biggest ropes I've ever seen from any NFL
Speaker 1: quarterback of all time, to the point where Daniel Jeremiah
Speaker 1: said that he's never seen a throw like that, and
Speaker 1: I mean, yes, it came against the Giants, which to me,
Speaker 1: I mean, the Giants at this point are not unlike
Speaker 1: um when someone unleash is like a killer fart in
Speaker 1: a car in the middle of enter, like you're in
Speaker 1: a tough place. Well that's what they seem like that
Speaker 1: that unbelievable ability. No, it's separate, and I like this
Speaker 1: was this was the Chargers taking care of business. And
Speaker 1: you know, Mike Williams a second week in a row
Speaker 1: with total chemistry with Herbert. They just thumped the Giants
Speaker 1: who are in a terrible place. And you know, we
Speaker 1: had a conversation about like Sae Kwon Barkley just doesn't
Speaker 1: look right to me in this offense. But forget the Giants.
Speaker 1: I think this was about and that, you know, the
Speaker 1: the Chargers. This is a classic scenario where you could
Speaker 1: have imagined them getting clipped like four and taking all
Speaker 1: the wind out of the sales. It adds faith in
Speaker 1: Brandon Staley, it adds incredible faith in justin Herbert, who
Speaker 1: when he gets on a roll, the height, with the
Speaker 1: height of their powers, the Chargers can beat any team
Speaker 1: in the league. This was another awesome boast of performance
Speaker 1: by the way, I mean, they had some inspired performances
Speaker 1: all over the field. Leads the league in forced fumbles,
Speaker 1: Joey Bosa. They we're up thirty seven to seven with
Speaker 1: five minutes to go in a game they lost. That's
Speaker 1: and over battle two to nothing. I think Herbert's just
Speaker 1: like the evolution of the NFL is like the players
Speaker 1: always get better. That's what I think. Like it's just
Speaker 1: in terms of physical ability and to meet Herbert and
Speaker 1: Mahomes just do things I've I haven't seen before. I
Speaker 1: think the throws that Herbert makes our throws I haven't
Speaker 1: necessarily seen before, and that he's just when it's right,
Speaker 1: it's so fun to watch and it's seen guy in
Speaker 1: and then Josh Palmer also went five sixties, six and
Speaker 1: one in this game. Those two guys coming on and
Speaker 1: being factors really I think can help round out their offense.
Speaker 1: Austin Ekeler remains an important part of this offense. He
Speaker 1: went out with injury anything on that so Brandon Staley
Speaker 1: said afterwards and you know, he just want to wait
Speaker 1: till the next day, but that he looked he thought
Speaker 1: he was fine. And he also said that Keenan Allen
Speaker 1: should be back on Thursday night as well. So I
Speaker 1: mean that right that that's you know, this offense. I
Speaker 1: I love that this game is happening against Kansas City
Speaker 1: when it is because this is the most uh steamy
Speaker 1: verse know the Chargers we've seen all year. And we'll
Speaker 1: preview that game, you know, in full on Tuesday because
Speaker 1: that is I think such an important game in the
Speaker 1: arc of this organization. I'm not gonna like, I don't
Speaker 1: want to oversell it, but you know, if they really
Speaker 1: show up and beat the defending conference champions. They are
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, a lot of people can see
Speaker 1: them differently, but in the here and now, they took
Speaker 1: care of business and that's important. Anything else to add
Speaker 1: on this one, just housekeeping, is that they said Daniel
Speaker 1: Jones is going to see a different next specialist on Monday,
Speaker 1: and just the way they framed it, and it's a
Speaker 1: neck injury four games left of the season, it just
Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised if if he's put down for the
Speaker 1: year and they're kind of thinking about that draft pick
Speaker 1: maybe right neck injury plus four and nine plus middle
Speaker 1: of December with a thousand yards stayer that does not
Speaker 1: Lenny Williams also got hurt in this game. Joe Judge
Speaker 1: taken three time outs with four minutes left down like
Speaker 1: thirty points, trying to get the best back to our
Speaker 1: cover of the season at Giants backers were loving that.
Speaker 1: That was one of the funniest things I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: Have taken the timeouts. Hey man, that's right out of
Speaker 1: the Tom Coughlin book. All right, Joe Judge, uh could
Speaker 1: be in trouble. You could say the same for Urban Meyer.
Speaker 1: He had a chance to put another week of ugly
Speaker 1: controversy behind him against the division rival Titans, it didn't
Speaker 1: really go to plan, however, Gonna laugh turns runs road. Yes,
Speaker 1: Mike Keith with it called w g f X. The
Speaker 1: finger roll is the most underrated touchdown celebration in the NFL.
Speaker 1: It's the Ryan Tannehill kind of does the Air Jordan
Speaker 1: thing and then does the spin of the ball away.
Speaker 1: I just like it. Tannehill didn't throw a touchdown on Sunday,
Speaker 1: but he ran for one and that was all the
Speaker 1: Titans would need. In a twenty to zip win over
Speaker 1: the completely depressing Jacksonville's Jaguars. Tennessee snaps a three game
Speaker 1: losing streak, fortified their standing is the top to AFC
Speaker 1: South with four weeks to go. Also the first home
Speaker 1: shutout more than two decades, surprising nug there Mark. Tennessee
Speaker 1: desperately needed a performance and more to the point, and
Speaker 1: an opponent like this came at the perfect time. We
Speaker 1: don't need the the Tennessee Titans to be like a
Speaker 1: flock of hotties at this point. They're living life on
Speaker 1: the razor's edge. They got a lot from their defense today.
Speaker 1: You know, the last two games, it was nine turnover
Speaker 1: giveaways for the Titans, which unspooled them. They did it
Speaker 1: today to Jacksonville. I mean, Jacksonville had a big part
Speaker 1: of this. Their offense is um, it just doesn't exist.
Speaker 1: And Trevor Lawrence had his worst game of the year.
Speaker 1: He's been put in a terrible environment. But a lot
Speaker 1: of it has to do with the pressure that Tennessee
Speaker 1: put on him. Um their ball hawking secondary, and it
Speaker 1: just that this team, to me, it's like a classic
Speaker 1: team win, where you know, Tannehill does not Julio Jones
Speaker 1: three four catches for thirty three yards. He's not coming
Speaker 1: in and saving the day. But Tannehill spread the ball
Speaker 1: all around. He had a like a really rough and
Speaker 1: tumble seventeen yard run or that was followed by an
Speaker 1: unnecessary rough and roughness that's set up an important score.
Speaker 1: He had a touchdown run later on. He did just enough.
Speaker 1: And I talked to Graver Digger during this game. I
Speaker 1: think we thought, you know, this was a complete team
Speaker 1: win for a team that's very incomplete right now. Personal wi,
Speaker 1: I totally agree. Yeah, I forget about the game, Graver
Speaker 1: or anything. First of all, was the wife listening and
Speaker 1: not your wife not our wives thankfully listening to the
Speaker 1: podcast on Thursday. Yeah, any other blowback from your appearance?
Speaker 1: Now you're operating the interesting use of words there. What
Speaker 1: did I say? Blowback? Did? Did let me ask you
Speaker 1: this before we get to the game? Um, because a
Speaker 1: lot of people were left wondering, Um, are you looking
Speaker 1: to enter into a romantic relationship with this woman? I
Speaker 1: would say yes, but not in any way that is
Speaker 1: unethical or immoral. No judgment zone here, man, I'm starting
Speaker 1: to piece together, Um, in my mind, what's happening here?
Speaker 1: What it would? What's your theory? I'm just gonna posit
Speaker 1: a theory that that she is in like an open
Speaker 1: marriage of some sorts where she's allowed to do what
Speaker 1: she's doing. Because you say there's no ethical issues, maybe
Speaker 1: your ethics are not challenged by it. I'm just saying, no,
Speaker 1: nobody's ethics. It's not an open marriage situation. Well okay, okay,
Speaker 1: Well maybe she doesn't need that to be told. Stuff.
Speaker 1: All right, We're going to continue to get updates on
Speaker 1: Graver hit his music, and now I want to get
Speaker 1: his thoughts on the Titans once we hear that, and
Speaker 1: that's another episode of I don't know what we're calling
Speaker 1: this digging something other than a grave, digging the grave
Speaker 1: of that marriage. Oh god? Alright, your thoughts on the Titans?
Speaker 1: Did you feel better about the team? Now? There was
Speaker 1: also report inevitable report you kind of expecting it at
Speaker 1: some point that Derrick Henry is on track to return
Speaker 1: for the playoffs and maybe even week eighteen that the
Speaker 1: Titans need a regular season win to get in. Uh.
Speaker 1: You combine it with the twenty nothing and lead how
Speaker 1: you feel in? Justin, I feel pretty good about the
Speaker 1: Titans right now. That Henry reports super encouraging you. You're
Speaker 1: looking ahead and a j. Brown should be back, not
Speaker 1: this next game for but the one following that. There's
Speaker 1: a night football against the Niners. So I think the defense,
Speaker 1: I mean, the shutout is a pretty impressive thing, especially
Speaker 1: because the Jaguars drove the ball deep into Tennessee territory
Speaker 1: a couple of times where it felt like the shutout
Speaker 1: was going to be threatened, but then they came up
Speaker 1: with whether it was an interception or Jacksonville committed penalty
Speaker 1: and pushed themselves backwards. Like It's tough to really judge
Speaker 1: too much because Jacksonville is so inept. All right, so
Speaker 1: let's talk about that. So Tom Pallaceero uh NFL Network
Speaker 1: reported actually on Good Morning Football, Um, he really dropped
Speaker 1: these bombs with the Great Connie Fox hosting all sorts
Speaker 1: of heat involving things going on behind the scenes, uh
Speaker 1: with the Jaguars, with urban Meyer not seeing eye to
Speaker 1: eye with players, with him calling out his coaches and
Speaker 1: having his coaches his assistant coaches explain their credentials and
Speaker 1: talk about himself as a winner and what have you won?
Speaker 1: Just like the ugliest, most scrim stuff ever. And of course,
Speaker 1: now that's all anyone wants to talk about after the game,
Speaker 1: especially after shutout loss. Here was urban just a quick
Speaker 1: snippet of what urban Meyer had to say after the
Speaker 1: latest Jaguars loss. What's the answer start leaking information or
Speaker 1: some nonsense. No, no, that's nonsense, that's garbage, that's you know,
Speaker 1: that's once again, I've been very blessed. I'm not really
Speaker 1: dealt with that. But I'm not dealt with well did
Speaker 1: you hear what he said? That will occupy very little
Speaker 1: my time. And if if there is a source, that
Speaker 1: source is unemployed, I mean, with in seconds, it just
Speaker 1: to me, it just screams like, Hi, I'm as pompous
Speaker 1: as it gets. I'm above everyone, and I think that
Speaker 1: these reports um are damaging. I think they're true. I mean,
Speaker 1: he also spends half the time on the sideline looking
Speaker 1: like he ate a squirrel's head. He looks uncomfortable, he
Speaker 1: looks out of place, and I think he can tell
Speaker 1: that the urban Meyer um aura or persona that some
Speaker 1: people are calling legendary because of what he did in
Speaker 1: college has come to the NFL and been completely undone.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's an offensive coach. This offense is unwatchable.
Speaker 1: Every week, Trevor Lawrence has one touchdown. Since the bye week,
Speaker 1: he had four interceptions today. Every week it's the same thing.
Speaker 1: It's a battle to score one touchdown. Two never happens.
Speaker 1: You look at actions, you know what I mean. Like
Speaker 1: Marvin Jones is really well respected as like a leader
Speaker 1: type of guy. He was mentioned that in that report
Speaker 1: as someone who left practice to be convinced whether he
Speaker 1: would come back. James Robinson like known for being like
Speaker 1: a great story, great guy. He he's involved in all this.
Speaker 1: Then you look at Mike Rabel and urban Meyer's handshake
Speaker 1: at the end of the game, Rabel worked for urban
Speaker 1: Meyer for two years, and it was like the biggest
Speaker 1: fly by disrespectful move. I don't know which way was
Speaker 1: born his nature. He wouldn't even look at him in
Speaker 1: the eye. Rabel also didn't even slow down. It is
Speaker 1: just a disaster. And that's why watching this offensive performance
Speaker 1: each and every week and then seeing somehow that the
Speaker 1: early line of next week game is Jaguars by three
Speaker 1: and a half, that the rainmakers actually coming out on
Speaker 1: a Sunday night drink cap show, take that three and
Speaker 1: a half before it goes down to three because everyone's
Speaker 1: going Texans next week. Texans are gonna cover that one.
Speaker 1: All right, there you go, Greggy, That's what I'm talking about. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm eleven and one against the spread today, so I'm
Speaker 1: just eland myself. Just now. It doesn't do me anything,
Speaker 1: all right, Let's take a break and then hit the
Speaker 1: rest of the games. Handoffed out Camara again. Balty took
Speaker 1: the right side moves inside the ten five. He is
Speaker 1: into the end zone right side. Alvin Camara sixteen yards
Speaker 1: touched down New Orleans. Mike cost w w L with
Speaker 1: the call. Alvin Kamara ran for a hundred twenty yards
Speaker 1: and a touchdown in his return from a four game absence.
Speaker 1: The Saints snap their longest losing streak under Sean Payton
Speaker 1: in a thirty to nine win over the Jets at
Speaker 1: the meadow Lands. That would that had been a five
Speaker 1: game losing streak for New Orleans, but the Jets are
Speaker 1: the elixir for most teams that need to get right.
Speaker 1: That was certainly the case here. Uh, Taysom Hill, you know,
Speaker 1: he's got that finger thing, and it's an issue. I
Speaker 1: don't He's already kind of a limited passer, and there
Speaker 1: are several throws where it just didn't look like it
Speaker 1: came out of his hand right. Maybe those throws don't
Speaker 1: come out of his hand right, even when the fingers
Speaker 1: not busted up the way it is. But either way,
Speaker 1: I have concerns about Taysom Hill against you know, a
Speaker 1: big opponent in a big spot, because I think the
Speaker 1: Saints are gonna hang around and be in this NFC
Speaker 1: playoff picture. Um, he had a touchdown run when the
Speaker 1: game still mattered. He added a garbage time run to
Speaker 1: really juice the stats a little bit, but I would
Speaker 1: give him a C plus for the game. The defense
Speaker 1: was much better, really shut down. The Jets were missing
Speaker 1: a lot of guys. Zack Wilson again not playing very well. Uh,
Speaker 1: you give him a little bit of a pass because
Speaker 1: of the lack of supporting cast in this game. No
Speaker 1: Corey Davis, No Elijah Moore, who went on I R.
Speaker 1: We cannot catch a break. No Michael Carter, he's on
Speaker 1: I R. No Tevin Coleman. The Jets were three of
Speaker 1: fourteen on third down and only had two fifty six
Speaker 1: yards of offense. So the Saints take care of business.
Speaker 1: They stay in the mix in the NFC. They're six
Speaker 1: and seven. They're one of six NFC teams that's six
Speaker 1: and seven. They are actually, you know, as tiebreakers go
Speaker 1: their last among that group. But their defense, I think
Speaker 1: has shown and they're getting a little bit healthier overall
Speaker 1: in general, has shown that they can keep bad offenses down.
Speaker 1: Now they go to Tampa next week. They're not gonna
Speaker 1: win that game, but they do have the Dolphins, Panthers,
Speaker 1: Falcons to finish up. All those games feel winnable. At
Speaker 1: least it's pretend it's possible. And I think this coaching staff,
Speaker 1: Saints fans sort of wanted to just throw this season
Speaker 1: away because it's been painful and they're done. But it's like, no,
Speaker 1: I think, actually you're gonna be there in Atlanta Week eighteen,
Speaker 1: and that game is going to be meaningful. And I
Speaker 1: like that schedule a lot. And I mean Alphen Kamara,
Speaker 1: who had ninety four of a hundred and twenty nine
Speaker 1: first half yards for the team, I mean completely changes
Speaker 1: what they can accomplish. You know, Tayson Himmel's Tayson Hills
Speaker 1: like the finger thing or not, it's not. I don't
Speaker 1: think he's gonna lead them there. I think they have
Speaker 1: to come to that conclusion if you're Sean Payton. But
Speaker 1: with Kamara, I mean, well but you get the eleven
Speaker 1: for seventy three and two touchdowns on the ground, and
Speaker 1: maybe you're helping long term. We are we are, we
Speaker 1: over this experiment after the season, but go as far
Speaker 1: as you can this year. And I mean they were
Speaker 1: just a dead offense without Marrow. I mean, I will
Speaker 1: never question Sean Payton's ability to call a football game
Speaker 1: on offense, but I was surprised for most of this game.
Speaker 1: And maybe it was had something to do with the
Speaker 1: finger as well. I don't know, but they were not
Speaker 1: using Taysom Hill the way they did against Dallas for
Speaker 1: stretches where they just said we're gonna call some design
Speaker 1: runs and just pick up seven yards, nine yards, fourteen yards.
Speaker 1: That was not happening for about three quarters of this game.
Speaker 1: He was just a pocket passer with a bad finger,
Speaker 1: and it was just like, this is not gonna work
Speaker 1: against the better team. So I think you would want
Speaker 1: to see more of that, working the run game into it,
Speaker 1: but it just Kamar is the guy that he's the
Speaker 1: difference maker as long as he's healthy and doing things.
Speaker 1: His touchdown he made a Jets defender look silly, and
Speaker 1: he's one of the few guys in the league that
Speaker 1: can do that that could just make defenders look like
Speaker 1: JV players in high school. So touches, it's like, these
Speaker 1: guys come off I are and anyway, good job by
Speaker 1: the same stay in the mix. They got a chance
Speaker 1: here and the Jets, well, the Jets are what the
Speaker 1: Jets are. And I am a little worried about Zack
Speaker 1: Wilson notes, yere one, we'll get to it more. I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm past anger and now maybe acceptance. I don't know.
Speaker 1: But let's move on to Houston second down and seven
Speaker 1: run by Penny left side bridge, one tackle, first out.
Speaker 1: He has gone five touchdowns. Steve are able to call
Speaker 1: kay i r oh, this is like that, like Joe
Speaker 1: Montana waves at John Candy and then goes, wins, goes
Speaker 1: and wins a super Bowl music. Maybe not a perfect
Speaker 1: fit for this version of the Seahawks, who improved too
Speaker 1: about four and eight or whatever. Five and eight h
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson through for two d and sixty yards and
Speaker 1: two touchdowns for Shot Penny ran for a career high
Speaker 1: one thirty seven and two scores and the thirty three
Speaker 1: ten win over the decaying Texans. Greg the Seahawks are
Speaker 1: not very good, and yet two straight wins puts them
Speaker 1: on the fringes of the NFC wild card race. You're buying,
Speaker 1: You're buying, No, no, because they're playing the Rams next week.
Speaker 1: But if they could ever get that game, then I'm
Speaker 1: buying because the Ramps have owned them in recent years
Speaker 1: and and they're a good team this year, and the Seahawks,
Speaker 1: you know, they haven't been. I'm buying a little bit
Speaker 1: because if you get past that, I ask you again,
Speaker 1: just give me yesterday. I'll buy it. The Texans next
Speaker 1: week who you just said he to Kane, Oh no, uh.
Speaker 1: This was kind of an old school like run run
Speaker 1: RUSS game, which is like the old Seahawks offense, like
Speaker 1: run twice to set up third and eight, and then
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson makes a nice play, passes for two and
Speaker 1: sixty yards lock it goes for one forty two as
Speaker 1: you mentioned. And uh Rashad Penny, who has been about
Speaker 1: as criticized as any first round pick in recent memory,
Speaker 1: just because he's a running back and he plays for
Speaker 1: the like the savvy Seahawks Twitter fans uh at a
Speaker 1: career game. So that's nice, nice day for the Penny brothers.
Speaker 1: His brother Eliza eli uh with the two point conversion
Speaker 1: and running in for the Giant today. So what a
Speaker 1: day for Mr and Mrs Penny out there? Got it?
Speaker 1: I don't know what else to say in this game,
Speaker 1: Greg just assumes that there's a Mr. And Mrs Penny.
Speaker 1: I'm sure the homework has not been done there. We
Speaker 1: don't know why you're saying. It crossed my mind. I
Speaker 1: hope everyone's there, But no, Russell Wilsn't really has looked
Speaker 1: better than the last few weeks. Bobby Wagner has been
Speaker 1: all over the field the last couple of weeks. Uh
Speaker 1: and Davis Mills at one point in this game was
Speaker 1: fourteen for fourteen for a hundred and fifty yards in
Speaker 1: a touchdown. How about that That is the most by
Speaker 1: a rookie of like straight completions since the most in
Speaker 1: Texans history. So it banner day for the Houston finishes
Speaker 1: with three thirty one forty nine throws. It got way
Speaker 1: less efficient after that. They didn't do much of anything
Speaker 1: for a while. But there are moments when Davis Mills
Speaker 1: is like, well, he's he's a backup. At least he's
Speaker 1: an NFL backup. I think at least I've seen worse rookies.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's been worse rookies this year and at most.
Speaker 1: I will say this as well, that I really had
Speaker 1: a very strong feeling that the Texans were going to
Speaker 1: find a way to memory hole this season and not
Speaker 1: have any record of it in their media guide going forward.
Speaker 1: But Caiimi Fairbarn, fair Baron Caimi Fairbarn set a franchise
Speaker 1: record with a sixty one yard field goals time expired
Speaker 1: in the first elfisode that has to go on the media.
Speaker 1: First back their games were ugly this morning. And at halftime,
Speaker 1: I remember you asked like, is everyone's game terrible? And
Speaker 1: I was like, this is the best possible Seahawks next
Speaker 1: in this game. The first half of this game had
Speaker 1: a ton of big time exciting place and then it
Speaker 1: just turned in as America and Unison should watch this together,
Speaker 1: not on the condensed version, but the full day. And
Speaker 1: it was that exciting natalaurean. Then it got a little
Speaker 1: less exciting. All right, there you go. That is UH
Speaker 1: the early and late games now Sunday night football. In
Speaker 1: the role the full back comes back to the yet
Speaker 1: end zone again, back to back. That's a place yards.
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers threw four touchdown passes, announcaying, hey, I'm in
Speaker 1: this m v P Race two. I want to go
Speaker 1: back down back baby, no interceptions. Another brilliant performance from
Speaker 1: Rogers in a win over the Chicago Bears, a game
Speaker 1: that featured fort points combined from two teams in the
Speaker 1: second quarter alone, but once the second half rolled around,
Speaker 1: it was domination four Green Bay, which outscored the Bears
Speaker 1: three in the final two periods, coasting to the win.
Speaker 1: Mark Sessler. The Bears UH fall to four and nine,
Speaker 1: they're out of the picture. They don't even get to
Speaker 1: be on the fringe. If you can't even be in
Speaker 1: the fringes of a playoff race this year, you stink
Speaker 1: your four nine. And the Packers, on the other hand,
Speaker 1: moved to ten and three and put themselves in position,
Speaker 1: uh to be very much alive in that race for
Speaker 1: the number one seed. What did you see for them
Speaker 1: today that you liked? Did it like anything you got, buddy?
Speaker 1: I mean, we we do not know the ceiling of
Speaker 1: the Green Bay Packers, and you know they consistently or
Speaker 1: either in your top spot in the power rankings or
Speaker 1: hovering very close as they should be. I will say
Speaker 1: this though, Um, it's another example for me that we
Speaker 1: spent all last week. I mean I personally did talking
Speaker 1: about this game. It will be not competitive, it shouldn't
Speaker 1: be on television. And you know, for all the Matt
Speaker 1: nicky talk, the Bears came to play. I mean, this
Speaker 1: was the highest scoring second quarter in the history of
Speaker 1: the Bears Packers rivalry. And I guys like Jachem Grant
Speaker 1: I thought, like, we're remarkable for the Bears in the
Speaker 1: first half, but you cannot contain Green Bay's offense for
Speaker 1: the entire game, and the Bears fizzled up towards the end.
Speaker 1: YEA one Bears in the second quarter. That's like, that's
Speaker 1: a games games worth, uh, But it was a Packers offense.
Speaker 1: You say that you can contain and that makes sense,
Speaker 1: but you have you were able to contain them for
Speaker 1: about nine weeks this season, and now that Packers offense,
Speaker 1: like I hope defense has had their fun against them,
Speaker 1: because that Packers offense is gone. Even though Elton Jenkins
Speaker 1: isn't there now and Bok trs not back, they are
Speaker 1: fully loaded and Rogers is three best games of the
Speaker 1: season are the last three now in a row. Though
Speaker 1: sometimes this is a game where if you watch the highlights,
Speaker 1: actually that will tell the story for you. Because that
Speaker 1: throw to Adams to end the first half, to me,
Speaker 1: that was the biggest drive of the game, and they
Speaker 1: were down fourteen the Packers. They get the ball back
Speaker 1: with one thirty two after the Jacheme Grant punt return
Speaker 1: and they go right down the field, and that throw
Speaker 1: to Adams was outrageous. Then the touch throw the lollipop
Speaker 1: to Aaron Jones uh in the third quarter was outrageous.
Speaker 1: Davantae Adams route that he's set up Jalen Johnson in
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter. That's outrage. I hope the highlights at
Speaker 1: least show the third and eighteen to Lazard in the
Speaker 1: first quarter too, because that was a crazy and Rogers throw.
Speaker 1: He is out of his mind right now. Yeah, he is.
Speaker 1: The last three games from Rogers with a buy mixed in. UM,
Speaker 1: the three games since we started hearing about this bad toe,
Speaker 1: which is he talks about the bad toe about like
Speaker 1: Big Ben talks about his injuries. We hear about it constantly,
Speaker 1: but we don't see any actual ramifications on the field.
Speaker 1: You said, Mark, we don't know what the Packer ceiling is.
Speaker 1: I think it depends how you want to look at
Speaker 1: like what the phrase means. If to me, if you're
Speaker 1: a true top of the line Super Bowl contender, and
Speaker 1: I think there's three of them, Green Bay, Arizona, Tampa Bay,
Speaker 1: and that's what I see right now. Um, there is
Speaker 1: no ceiling they are. They are a team that very
Speaker 1: has a very good chance of winning this whole thing.
Speaker 1: And I think they play so well on both sides
Speaker 1: of the ball. That's why they've been number one of
Speaker 1: the Power ranks for me, just because I think they're
Speaker 1: so balanced on both sides. So I also think the
Speaker 1: football gods have a sense of humor. I gotta say that.
Speaker 1: We we had a lot of fun on this podcast
Speaker 1: late last week talking about how dare they keep the
Speaker 1: Bears in Sunday night football? And this is where the
Speaker 1: sense of humor comes. And we're recording the podcast. The
Speaker 1: most of the podcast, it goes into, uh, the Sunday
Speaker 1: night football game. Then we all sit down together in
Speaker 1: the second half and watch the rest of the game
Speaker 1: and then come back to the studio and finish the
Speaker 1: pot and then Ricky gets it dressed up to send
Speaker 1: it live. We missed the fun part of the game.
Speaker 1: We got the bad part of the game, which was
Speaker 1: a nice little kiss off from the football gods actually respected. Yeah,
Speaker 1: annoyed like the gods um annoyed at the three of
Speaker 1: us for our us. Yeah. Yeah. We flew too close
Speaker 1: to the sun. And it's actually because there is so
Speaker 1: much you know, we try to go back and watch
Speaker 1: what happened as we're like watching, you know, while it's
Speaker 1: half time or while it's the second episode. It gave
Speaker 1: us more work to to go, you know. When you're
Speaker 1: watching in gay pass and at the bottom they have
Speaker 1: a little football where where there's a place. I mean,
Speaker 1: there was just it was just like all empty. And
Speaker 1: then there was like seventeen footballs, which I was like,
Speaker 1: what is what is happening in this game? I mean
Speaker 1: Jachim Grant, I mean Ryan Pace, you gotta think about
Speaker 1: him for Executive of the Year for that Jachem Grant
Speaker 1: the Miami Dolphins trade. What a what a performance I
Speaker 1: will say, by the way, I mean the things that
Speaker 1: we missed. That what that nine seven yard punt return
Speaker 1: was the longest in Bears history dating back to and
Speaker 1: that the five touchdowns that we missed in that single
Speaker 1: quarter were the first time that was the first time
Speaker 1: in NFL history that there were five touchdowns at thirty
Speaker 1: five plus yards in the single quarter. What one last
Speaker 1: quick It was really interesting the A J. Dillon at
Speaker 1: fifteen carries here and Jones who looked good only at
Speaker 1: five and then Matt Matt Lafleur should get credit, you know,
Speaker 1: and they they start and put up those stats and everything.
Speaker 1: He's great at getting Adams open, like some of those
Speaker 1: play calls in the first half. That's like what his
Speaker 1: job is is even though everyone knows Adams is the
Speaker 1: only thing on in terms of their receivers, they find
Speaker 1: ways to get him open. It's not all just Adams,
Speaker 1: it's they They get him into great matchups and they
Speaker 1: do a great job. But he's having such an amazing
Speaker 1: career and you know, part of it is timing and
Speaker 1: just kind of fortuity where you where do you end
Speaker 1: up with Adams. But I'm not taking anything away from
Speaker 1: he's also a tremendously talented receiver. But when you put
Speaker 1: together a great offensive scheme, legendary quarterback and a guy
Speaker 1: with elite skills, you get the production you get from Adams.
Speaker 1: Who is you know, if he keeps his pace up,
Speaker 1: he is an absolute Hall of Fame straight Sunday night
Speaker 1: football games with a touchdown. But that is that is
Speaker 1: some matters like he's a money he's a money player.
Speaker 1: He's a guy you want on the field of big spots,
Speaker 1: including the playoffs where the Packers are heading. Now, Mark,
Speaker 1: before we say goodbye, um, not to like take a
Speaker 1: serious start here, but um, you had mentioned the Jachem
Speaker 1: Grant uh Hunt return and how it was historic for
Speaker 1: the Bears, and we take that as gospel from you
Speaker 1: because we trust in you to give us the right information.
Speaker 1: But apparently there's something you wanted to share. Maybe a
Speaker 1: a misstep, so we'll just throw it to you and
Speaker 1: I'll leave it at that. Yes, um, you know this
Speaker 1: came to my attention while we were watching the second
Speaker 1: half of that game. UM, so it's a message to
Speaker 1: my colleagues, to my friends, my enemies, you, uh, and
Speaker 1: to all listeners wherever you might be. Earlier in tonight's
Speaker 1: episode of the Around the NFL podcast, I committed a
Speaker 1: verbal misstep. Um. In the blinding fury of postgame information
Speaker 1: coming my way, I noted that the Raiders forty nine
Speaker 1: loss was the worst in the organization's storied history. As
Speaker 1: play by play dudes sometimes say, check that, in fact,
Speaker 1: it was the Raiders worst loss in their sixty one
Speaker 1: year rivalry with the Kansas City Chiefs. For this grave error,
Speaker 1: I will submit myself to Human Resources for dense questioning.
Speaker 1: Following tonight's broadcast, I say this humbly. Seacrest out, Well,
Speaker 1: you're a big man obviously for coming clean there. But
Speaker 1: I ultimately becomes a Brian Williams situation where it's nothing
Speaker 1: short of that. Once you are flying on the helicopter
Speaker 1: there in Iraq. It's your turn. You took enemy fire.
Speaker 1: We accepted a struth because you tell us it once
Speaker 1: the cats out of the bag, as it were, once
Speaker 1: we find out something you told us wasn't true. How
Speaker 1: do you kind of go forward, Greg and say, Okay,
Speaker 1: what he's saying is not nonsense, it's actually factual. I
Speaker 1: I don't know what to think anymore. Right, there's kind
Speaker 1: of nothing you can say. There's you know, a bond
Speaker 1: that we have with Mark, just as a journal or
Speaker 1: did have. Sure, it's in the past, and how do
Speaker 1: you how do you replace that because now it's just
Speaker 1: words coming out of your mouth? You know? Can I
Speaker 1: say you're gonna humbly, you know, put yourself in front
Speaker 1: of HR. It's Sunday night at I don't think they're here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't even think they're here. I think their home.
Speaker 1: Do you want to if you want to deal in facts?
Speaker 1: By the way, I did not say when that would
Speaker 1: have annoyed with Greg, I said I would submit myself
Speaker 1: to Human Resources for dense questioning following tonight's broadcast. Tomorrow
Speaker 1: would also be following tonight's broadcast, We've been on fire
Speaker 1: by the way, locking up things. I'm gonna lock up
Speaker 1: Mark and Gregg by the end of the season. You're
Speaker 1: gonna lock it up if I'm still here. I mean,
Speaker 1: this was I have to admit, I'm not trying to,
Speaker 1: you know, be brash here. This was a hideous turning point,
Speaker 1: um for myself and for the show. And I apologized, Well,
Speaker 1: you're a class act. I'll leave it at that. That's
Speaker 1: up for debate. Um. All right, here we go Week fourteen,
Speaker 1: the flagship in the books. Coming up next for us Tuesday.
Speaker 1: Check us out. We'll recap the Monday night football game.
Speaker 1: And it's a gorgeous matchup and there's a lot of
Speaker 1: speaking of Mark. Nobody is more like into the lock game.
Speaker 1: Nobody needs it more than Mark. Uh. And he has
Speaker 1: his Cardinals locked up over the Rams. So we'll talk
Speaker 1: about that the game. The fallout of the confidence is
Speaker 1: that high for the confidence was pretty high about that fact.
Speaker 1: Talk about the Raiders too, just saying okay, noted, watch it,
Speaker 1: check it out. We'll back Tuesday. Uh. You know, of
Speaker 1: course check out the NFL Network show. It's on every Saturday.
Speaker 1: I think we're doing good work with that show. So
Speaker 1: this is everybody. If you haven't done it yet, this
Speaker 1: is the week to follow the podcast and watch the
Speaker 1: show on NFL Network or on game Pass anyway. That's it.
Speaker 1: Good stuff. Grave Digger Man still think about the Grave
Speaker 1: Digger revelation a lot. I think about it roughly fifty
Speaker 1: nine out of every sixty minutes. I believe it all
Speaker 1: right until Tuesday he had the call.