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Speaker 1: to Sound of Our Town on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,
Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts. I kept seeing like
Speaker 1: helicopters and cops passing this coming back the other way,
Speaker 1: and I've seen her grandma, her grandma from me. She's gone,
Speaker 1: all right, He's kind of frozen. Angela ran out of
Speaker 1: the Peterson Road house to chase Tabatha up with a shotgun.
Speaker 1: Gac and George followed, and Panna was told by Jake
Speaker 1: not to leave the house or he would chop off
Speaker 1: her wgs. This is the Piked and Massacre returned to
Speaker 1: Pike County season four, episode ten. In their own words,
Speaker 1: I'm Courtney Armstrong, a television producer at KATI Studios, along
Speaker 1: with Stephanie Lydecker and Jeff Shane. It's been a revealing,
Speaker 1: gut wrenching try all thus far. While the jury has
Speaker 1: heard reams of incriminating evidence against Jake Wagner, we must
Speaker 1: remember that Jake, who's already pled guilty, is not the
Speaker 1: one on trial. Thus far, the testimony against George Wagner
Speaker 1: himself has been far more scant. There's no DNA evidence
Speaker 1: that puts George at the Roden's homes on the night
Speaker 1: of April twenty first, twenty sixteen. There's also no evidence
Speaker 1: that George was implicated in Jake's custody battle with Hanname Roden.
Speaker 1: On the other hand, the defense has thus far failed
Speaker 1: to produce an alibi for where George was during the
Speaker 1: night of the killings. It's important to note that George
Speaker 1: Wagner the fourth, along with his father Billy Wagner, whose
Speaker 1: trial is upcoming, deny any wrongdoing and have pleaded not
Speaker 1: guilty to all charges. Here's Stephanie and Jeff. It appears
Speaker 1: that Angie Kinnepp were the special prosecutor is really telling
Speaker 1: us a story right now, painting a picture about the
Speaker 1: lives of the Wagners, how they were incredibly a mesh together,
Speaker 1: but so far nothing very specific that implicates George specifically
Speaker 1: to that night. What the prosecution is trying to do
Speaker 1: is really paint the picture that all four of them
Speaker 1: were in on this together from the start. And look,
Speaker 1: we've heard a lot of different stories about the Wagner family.
Speaker 1: They technically operated like a mob or like a cult
Speaker 1: in that Angela Wagner was very controlling and had a
Speaker 1: very odd relationship with both of her boys, specifically George.
Speaker 1: But again, those might paint a messy picture of a family.
Speaker 1: But does that mean that George is guilty of mass murder?
Speaker 1: I have to assume there's more evidence to come. That
Speaker 1: kind of piggybacks on a point I want to bring up,
Speaker 1: which is just how many witnesses there are as we
Speaker 1: have seen the state is really telling a full story
Speaker 1: from start to finish, which includes a lot of people
Speaker 1: that don't on the surface, have anything to do with
Speaker 1: the actual night in question. I spoke to legal analysts
Speaker 1: and expert Mike Allen about this, and he said that
Speaker 1: the amount of witnesses is completely up to the prosecution.
Speaker 1: They can have three or three hundred, it's all up
Speaker 1: to them, and all they have to do is provide
Speaker 1: a witness list to the judge and defense during the
Speaker 1: discovery process. There has to be some level of jury fatigue, right,
Speaker 1: so three hundred witnesses would be pretty extreme if we're
Speaker 1: telling a peripheral story. Judge Deering did have to approve
Speaker 1: each witness, so he clearly thinks that something about it
Speaker 1: is acceptable enough to be allowed in the courtroom. It's
Speaker 1: just a really interesting spot to be at in the trial.
Speaker 1: Where is it one thing to hear bad things and
Speaker 1: to know that, frankly, the Wagoners may have just been
Speaker 1: very bad people. Is that enough or do we need
Speaker 1: to have more evidence, specifically putting George at the scene.
Speaker 1: I'm so curious about how that plays out. The following
Speaker 1: testimony digs deeper into the Wagner clan, and also uncovers
Speaker 1: testimony that for the first time shows that George was
Speaker 1: in fact in his family's Thrall, good afternoon, how are you.
Speaker 1: It's good? Can you please state your name? And why
Speaker 1: don't you go ahead and spell your first name and
Speaker 1: spell your last name? Alan Holdron, c r e Y
Speaker 1: Joel Drian Corey. How old are you be? Thirty? Next months?
Speaker 1: Pay nine? And can you tell us where you live?
Speaker 1: You okay? Corey Holdron was Hannahme Rodin's boyfriend at the
Speaker 1: time of her death. When they began dating, Hannahme was
Speaker 1: pregnant with her daughter, who she shared with ex boyfriend
Speaker 1: Charlie Gilly. Corey Holdron committed to Hannah because he wanted
Speaker 1: a family and was in love with Hannah. Ma, she's
Speaker 1: not love man's in love with her. I mean she's
Speaker 1: the best thing at me really was in our relationship.
Speaker 1: We never fought. She helped me through everything. And can
Speaker 1: you tell tell us at the time that you started
Speaker 1: seeing her, did you have an addiction problem? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a dragadic and to painting pills. And she laid
Speaker 1: on my side, said on my side through the whole
Speaker 1: withdrawals and all the everything, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Nobody would do that. Nobody does that unless she loves somebody.
Speaker 1: And she did going through at all. And and you
Speaker 1: did you make a commitment to her unborn child as well? Yeah,
Speaker 1: because well she wasn't with Jake, she was separated from him,
Speaker 1: and she said it wasn't his. She told me who
Speaker 1: it was. Who it was, Charlie Gillies, which Hannah's brother.
Speaker 1: I was dying for her family, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And I told him that if he agrees to step
Speaker 1: back and just let me, you know, don't all of us,
Speaker 1: that I would take care of her and I would
Speaker 1: name her. And so I did. I named her Britain,
Speaker 1: kind of my kind of Billiard. I was the first
Speaker 1: one to hold her. So you stayed with her rat
Speaker 1: for pregnancy. And you were actually at the hospital when
Speaker 1: she gave her yeah, up to the day water actually yeah, yeah? Um.
Speaker 1: And did you also go to some of her appointments
Speaker 1: with her priority. Yeah. According to Corey Holdron, Hannah May
Speaker 1: was also a devoted mother to the little girls she
Speaker 1: shared with Jake Wagner. She's a great mom. Yeah, She's
Speaker 1: really mom and ever seen her yador and every senior
Speaker 1: hate her or nothing like that. Corey continued speaking about
Speaker 1: when Jake Wagner brought the toddler he shared with Hannah
Speaker 1: May to see her newborn sister in the hospital. During
Speaker 1: this visit, Jake implied that the baby could be his
Speaker 1: because she had a toe shaped like him and his
Speaker 1: family members. I didn't make it fussing out or anything.
Speaker 1: He was just all the different though, dark hair, dark
Speaker 1: black hair, like I don't know, it was just different.
Speaker 1: He got the holder and everything like like it was
Speaker 1: like it was his thought. Kid, He like like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, he thought it was his maybe Okay, And
Speaker 1: do you remember any comments um that he made about
Speaker 1: any of the physical characteristics, something about her toe like
Speaker 1: like something that he goes a wagoner thing. I don't
Speaker 1: know what was wrong with it. I hadn't seen anything
Speaker 1: wrong with it, but commented something about her toby and
Speaker 1: a wager thing. Yeah, we're going to take a break.
Speaker 1: We'll be back in a moment. Oh. I'm Carol Fisher,
Speaker 1: and I'm hosting a podcast called The Girl Friends. Back
Speaker 1: in the nineteen ninety in Las Vegas, a few of
Speaker 1: us dated the most eligible bachelor in town. Bob, he
Speaker 1: spoke several languages, he did medical missionary work, and he
Speaker 1: was Jewish. He was perfect on paper, but he wasn't.
Speaker 1: He really wasn't. He shouted into the point that she
Speaker 1: went unconscious. Bob could lie about anything, but only takes
Speaker 1: the one time when somebody ends up dead. Unfortunately for Bob,
Speaker 1: us girlfriends know how to fight back. I wanted him
Speaker 1: to pay for his crime. He needed to be put
Speaker 1: to justice. I'll be honest with you. If I saw
Speaker 1: him right now, I'd spit on him. I would call
Speaker 1: him and I would say, I know you killed my sister.
Speaker 1: I will always hound you and haunt you. You can
Speaker 1: listen to the girlfriends on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts,
Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts from iHeart podcasts. Whitney
Speaker 1: hell is going on here. Everyone has their limits. I'd
Speaker 1: never confronted us situation like this. I just thought it
Speaker 1: was just a really terrible, immoral thing, a line they
Speaker 1: won't cross. I was stunned, and I just said, no,
Speaker 1: we're killing people. You may never have to face that
Speaker 1: decision when you find yourself at that line. Aren't ricin
Speaker 1: and somebody needs to just for once, give everybody the
Speaker 1: whole truth, like this is evil and the only person
Speaker 1: who can sound the alarm is you. I wasn't just
Speaker 1: going to sit silently. Buy from iHeart Podcasts. These are
Speaker 1: the whistleblowers. If you are disloyal, things are going to
Speaker 1: happen to speak out disgrace to our gun. Evil play
Speaker 1: should be prosecuted when power corrupts, conscience is the last
Speaker 1: line of defense. I'm Miles Taylor. Listen to the Whistleblowers
Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get
Speaker 1: your podcasts. My name's the Very Cox. I'm an actress, producer, fashionista,
Speaker 1: and host of The Laverne Cock Show. You may remember
Speaker 1: my award winning first season. I've been pretty busy. There's
Speaker 1: always time to touch incredible guests about important things people
Speaker 1: like me have been screaming for years. We've got to
Speaker 1: watch the Supreme Court. What they're doing is wrong, what
Speaker 1: they're doing is evil. They will take things away and
Speaker 1: I can only hope that Dobbs is that like Pearl
Speaker 1: Harbor moment. Girl, You and I both know what it
Speaker 1: took to just get through the day in New York
Speaker 1: City and get home in one piece and so the
Speaker 1: fact that we're here and what you've achieved and what
Speaker 1: I've achieved, you know, that's momentous. It's not just sitting
Speaker 1: around complaining about some bills. The only reason that you
Speaker 1: might think, as Chase said, that we're always miserable is
Speaker 1: because people are constantly attacking us and we're constantly noticing it.
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Speaker 1: new pen Pals Daniel van Kirk and Rory Scobel. When
Speaker 1: Corey Holtron learned from Kenneth Roden's daughter Kendra that the
Speaker 1: love of his life, Hanname Rodin, was killed, he was
Speaker 1: in shock. I got up. I was around eight, maybe
Speaker 1: it was learner than that, but I wondered. My sisters
Speaker 1: and me and her wife got in her truck and
Speaker 1: we went to Quarter Lamber. Like I kept seeing like
Speaker 1: helicopters and like cops and like crazy like passionists going
Speaker 1: back the other way. I thinking of it, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, I've went to the quarter. We got
Speaker 1: to Carter Lamber and by the time we got there
Speaker 1: and pulled in, Kindred called me and said that something
Speaker 1: happened that I needed to get to her house. Now.
Speaker 1: She went telling me, really what happened? She said, they're
Speaker 1: wrong I know what's up, man, So I had my
Speaker 1: sister's wife turn them around and go there. So Bibe
Speaker 1: went down instead down thirty two. We went down, said
Speaker 1: seventy two the backside, you know. And that time I
Speaker 1: got on her road. They stopped this right by her
Speaker 1: brother's house. And I've seen her grandma and her grandma
Speaker 1: father me. She's going, all right, he's gonna froze. I
Speaker 1: think I didn't and it feel anything. I didn't understand it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Corey explained that he, Hannah May, and Kendra all went
Speaker 1: fishing together before the night of the murderers. It was
Speaker 1: a rainy afternoon and Hannah was all smiles as she
Speaker 1: railed in a big catfish, but the mood soured when
Speaker 1: Jake Wagner texted Hannah to see if he could watch
Speaker 1: their daughter for the night. Here's Anteinette Levy, reporter for
Speaker 1: Law and Crime. Hannah May had just given birth to
Speaker 1: her newborn daughter and apparently wanted to get out of
Speaker 1: the house, so they had someone watched the newborn and
Speaker 1: they were out fishing and Jake Wagner actually she said,
Speaker 1: which I thought was pretty stead. Kendra said that Jake
Speaker 1: texted Hannah May and offered to keep How chilling is that?
Speaker 1: Here again, Stephanie and Jeff, We've heard a lot about
Speaker 1: Corey Holdron over the years and have never personally connected
Speaker 1: to him. We have reached out over the years, but
Speaker 1: respectfully didn't want to push too hard. So his testimony
Speaker 1: is so interesting to me. First of all, we've always
Speaker 1: heard that he is so kind and so nice, and
Speaker 1: so sweet and was so in love with Hannah May,
Speaker 1: so you can only imagine the destruction that has come
Speaker 1: for him thereafter. We've heard over the years of multiple
Speaker 1: times the story about Jake Wagner visiting Hannah May in
Speaker 1: the hospital with her newborn baby, but to hear it
Speaker 1: firsthand with Corey Holdron on the stand in the courtroom
Speaker 1: is a much different experience. Following Corey Holdron, another witness
Speaker 1: came to the stand and offered explosive testimony, this time
Speaker 1: very focused on George Wagner the fourth It was the
Speaker 1: first and a critically important juncture in the trial where
Speaker 1: George's character came under scrutiny. The witness is Tabitha Clayton,
Speaker 1: George's ex wife. She had a highly volatile and traumatic
Speaker 1: history with the accused murderer. Like Jake and Hannah, Tabitha
Speaker 1: and George were embroiled in their own custody battle over
Speaker 1: their son. Tabitha and George met when Tabitha's mother was
Speaker 1: working for the Wagner matriarch Frederica at her Flying w farm.
Speaker 1: The pair married in two thousand and twelve, had a
Speaker 1: son in the summer of twenty thirteen, and lived with Angela,
Speaker 1: Jake and Billy Wagner. Tabitha and George ultimately divorced in
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen. Tabitha explains how being with George came with
Speaker 1: a litany of rules and restrictions that came down from
Speaker 1: Angela Wagner life was taxing here Special Prosecutor Angie Kaneppa,
Speaker 1: examining Tabitha on the stand, if you could just tell
Speaker 1: us what the family dynamics were there when you lived
Speaker 1: with the Wagner's. Very strange and controlling. Okay, So you
Speaker 1: said previously that you were not allowed to visit your family,
Speaker 1: and your family was not permitted to visit you, correct, yes,
Speaker 1: And who made those determinations? It was Angela's house, so's
Speaker 1: hurdles and so are you saying that it was Angela's choices, yes, okay,
Speaker 1: And did George go along with those choices? Yes? And
Speaker 1: can you tell us you said Angel's house, Angela's rules
Speaker 1: that apply to anything other than just your family coming
Speaker 1: and going, and applied basically everything. So tell us about
Speaker 1: that cooking, cleaning, laundry and what do you mean by
Speaker 1: that at all? How to be done the way that
Speaker 1: she wanted it or have to either redo it or
Speaker 1: she'll just do it or something. Angela Wagner had a
Speaker 1: ban on certain types of sex that should be allowed
Speaker 1: within George and Tabitha's marriage. In contrast, according to some,
Speaker 1: she also crossed boundaries with her son George. According to Tabitha,
Speaker 1: every night, Angela Wagner would kick Tabitha out of the
Speaker 1: bedroom she shared with George so that Angela could have
Speaker 1: some alone time with her son. She would scratch his
Speaker 1: back while they caught up on the day. What were
Speaker 1: the rules that Angela had before? The types of sexual
Speaker 1: relations you could engage in with your husband. He wasn't
Speaker 1: allowed to give blowjobs because you'd go to hill and
Speaker 1: you had to only have sex to have children. And
Speaker 1: is that something that she said to you? She said
Speaker 1: it to me and George booth okay? When you were together, Yes,
Speaker 1: where would you be when those conversations would occur? Usually
Speaker 1: at the kitchen table or in the bedroom? Whose bedroom George's? Okay?
Speaker 1: And would you stay in George's bedroom as long as
Speaker 1: I was allowed to? Yes? So when you say, as
Speaker 1: long as you were allowed to tell me what you're
Speaker 1: talking about? Towards the end of the night, she would
Speaker 1: usually have me leave so she could sit there and
Speaker 1: scratch his back and talk about the day. So Angela
Speaker 1: would come into the room that you shared with your husband, Yes,
Speaker 1: and she would ask you to leave, and then she
Speaker 1: would scratch his back and talk about the day. Yes.
Speaker 1: How frequent of an occurrence was that every night? And
Speaker 1: after she was done with that, would you return to
Speaker 1: the room. Yes. After you had your son, where would
Speaker 1: he sleep most of the time? He would sleep with
Speaker 1: Angela and Billy? And again was that your choice? No?
Speaker 1: Where did you want your son to sleep with me
Speaker 1: in my bed or at least in the crib that
Speaker 1: was bought for him? Okay? And where was that crib
Speaker 1: located next to my bed? And who made the decision
Speaker 1: that he would sleep with Angela and Billy instead of
Speaker 1: with you, George and Angela? Can you tell us or
Speaker 1: I guess I should say, had you ever shared with
Speaker 1: George that you had been sexually abused as a child?
Speaker 1: I did, but only because he had found up by
Speaker 1: somebody else. Can you tell us what was George's reaction
Speaker 1: to that? He was mad. He said he was going
Speaker 1: to go kill him, and I told him know and
Speaker 1: I said on him until he calmed down. The Wagner's
Speaker 1: rules tightened around Tabitha after they learned she had chiefe
Speaker 1: on George. From Tabitha's point of view, her infidelity was
Speaker 1: a reaction to the family suffocating way of life. Was
Speaker 1: there a time when you were unfaithful to George after
Speaker 1: you were married? Yes? Okay? And was it during the
Speaker 1: time that you were working at Crystal Springs? Yes? Did
Speaker 1: George and the rest of them you only find out
Speaker 1: about them? Yes? You ultimately told them. Yes? And at
Speaker 1: that point did the restrictions in your life get even
Speaker 1: more severier? Yes? Tell us what happened then? I had
Speaker 1: gotten let go for my job. George took my phone
Speaker 1: from me and factor he said it, gave it to
Speaker 1: his mom. I wasn't allowed to answer the house phone
Speaker 1: or check the mill or go outside by myself. And
Speaker 1: when you informed them of this at that time where
Speaker 1: you pregnant, Yes, okay. So you remained at the home
Speaker 1: with the Wagner's. Yes, and then you remained there until
Speaker 1: approximately a year after your son was born. Correct. Yes?
Speaker 1: Did you feel when you were there that you could
Speaker 1: parent your child in the way that you wanted to? No,
Speaker 1: tell us about that. Every night before we went to bed,
Speaker 1: I would be made to go take a nap while
Speaker 1: Angela played with mission. So again, just more of the
Speaker 1: her spending time with your child that you wanted to
Speaker 1: spend time with. Yes, okay. Did you ever tell George
Speaker 1: or have any discussions with him about wanting to have
Speaker 1: your own place and no longer living with the extended family? Yes? Okay?
Speaker 1: And what was his response? That we lived on a farm,
Speaker 1: so we needed to live together. He was not interested
Speaker 1: in moving out. Here's Stephanie. We met Tabitha's sister and
Speaker 1: her mom years ago, and they've always think of this
Speaker 1: picture about what life was like for Tabitha. We've also
Speaker 1: reached out to her over the years. This is a
Speaker 1: very big moment hearing her testimony for the first time.
Speaker 1: Now finally hearing from her. I mean, imagine she's facing
Speaker 1: the person who is on trial, her ex husband. She's
Speaker 1: going to have to lock eyes with him and really
Speaker 1: tell some stories, perhaps for the very first time. Again
Speaker 1: it asks the question if Angela Wagner had a very
Speaker 1: strange relationship with her sons. You know, we've always heard
Speaker 1: this over the years, that she would cuddle with them,
Speaker 1: and she would alienate the women who came into their
Speaker 1: lives aka Tabitha also Hannah may rodin what does that mean?
Speaker 1: Does that matter? If George didn't commit this murders, then
Speaker 1: none of this matters whatsoever. He was perhaps a bad husband,
Speaker 1: but again that doesn't make him a murderer. But if
Speaker 1: he did do it and is convicted this, certainly it's
Speaker 1: a very clear picture of a destructive and dysfunctional home,
Speaker 1: but none of it really guarantees that George was there,
Speaker 1: or that George was a trigger puller. Let's stop here
Speaker 1: for another break. Oh, I'm Carol Fisher, and I'm hosting
Speaker 1: a podcast called The Girl Friends. Back in the nineteen
Speaker 1: nineties in Las Vegas, a few of us dated the
Speaker 1: most eligible bachelor in town, Bob. He spoke several languages,
Speaker 1: he did medical missionary work, and he was Jewish. He
Speaker 1: was perfect on paper, but he wasn't. He really wasn't.
Speaker 1: He shouted and to the point she went unconscious. Bob
Speaker 1: could lie about anything, but only takes the one time
Speaker 1: when somebody ends up dead. Unfortunately for Bob, us girlfriends
Speaker 1: know how to fight back. I wanted him to pay
Speaker 1: for his crime. He needed to be put to justice.
Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you. If I saw him right now,
Speaker 1: I'd spit on him. I would call him and I
Speaker 1: would say, I know you killed my sister. I will
Speaker 1: always hound you and haunt you. You can listen to
Speaker 1: the girlfriends on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever
Speaker 1: you get your podcasts from iHeart podcasts. Whitney. Hell is
Speaker 1: going on here. Everyone has their limits. I'd never confronted
Speaker 1: a situation like this. I just thought it was just
Speaker 1: a really terrible, immoral thing, a line they won't cross.
Speaker 1: I was stunned, and I just said, no, we're killing people.
Speaker 1: You may never have to face that decision when you
Speaker 1: find yourself at that line. Thou its ricin. R's ricin,
Speaker 1: and somebody needs to just for once give everybody the
Speaker 1: whole truth. I'm like, this is evil and the only
Speaker 1: person who can sound the alarm is you. I wasn't
Speaker 1: just going to sit silently. Buy from iHeart Podcasts. These
Speaker 1: are the whistleblowers. If you are disloyal, thinks are going
Speaker 1: to happen this week out disgrace to our gun, evil
Speaker 1: and pol prosecuted. When power corrupts, conscience is the last
Speaker 1: line of defense. I'm Miles Taylor. Listen to the Whistleblowers
Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get
Speaker 1: your podcasts. My name's Laverne Cox. I'm an actress, producer, fashionista,
Speaker 1: and host of The Laverne Cox Show. You may remember
Speaker 1: my award winning first season. I've been pretty busy. There's
Speaker 1: always time to touch incredible guests about important things people
Speaker 1: like me have been screaming for years. We've got to
Speaker 1: watch the Supreme Court. What they're doing is wrong, what
Speaker 1: they're doing is evil. They will take things away and
Speaker 1: I can only hope that Dobbs is that like Pearl
Speaker 1: Harbor moment or you and I both know what it
Speaker 1: took to just get through the day in New York
Speaker 1: City and get home in one piece. And so the
Speaker 1: fact that we're here and what you've achieved and what
Speaker 1: I've achieved, You know, that's momentous. It's not just sitting
Speaker 1: around complaining about some bills. The only reason that you
Speaker 1: might think, as Chase said, that we're always miserable is
Speaker 1: because people are constantly attacking us and we're constantly noticing it.
Speaker 1: Listen to the Laverne Cox Show on the iHeartRadio app,
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Speaker 1: out of control. After Tabitha didn't do the dishes that
Speaker 1: Angela had told her to do, George Wagner turned physically abusive.
Speaker 1: Tabitha says, this is the first testimony we've heard about
Speaker 1: him being violent. Hell us, I'm Tabitha. We've talked a
Speaker 1: little bit about how long you stayed there, what made
Speaker 1: you leave? When you left, me and George were in
Speaker 1: an argument in his slap okay, And if you can
Speaker 1: tell us, first of all, do you recall when that happened?
Speaker 1: A couple of months after my son's first birthday? Okay?
Speaker 1: And when was your son born? Again? Is that July
Speaker 1: of twenty thirteen, you said, a few months after his
Speaker 1: first birthday? Yes, And can you tell us what led
Speaker 1: up to that argument? Me not cleaning the kitchen after
Speaker 1: Angela had made lunch. After Angela had done what made lunch? Okay?
Speaker 1: And so tell us about that. How did you know
Speaker 1: you were supposed to do that? She told me to
Speaker 1: get it cleaned up while her and Hannah went to
Speaker 1: pick up a toy for the kids. And did you
Speaker 1: do that? Why not? Because my son had woke up,
Speaker 1: so I led with him to take a nap so
Speaker 1: he could take a nap. Okay, was your son already
Speaker 1: napping at the time that, Yes, Angela asked you to
Speaker 1: do that. Okay, And we are where the rest of
Speaker 1: the people were with Jake and George at that time?
Speaker 1: They were I think Jake was with Billy driving the
Speaker 1: truck and George was building the shed that is beside
Speaker 1: the house. Okay, Angela and Hannah come back and see
Speaker 1: that it didn't clean up the mess. So what happens then?
Speaker 1: Then me and Angelis start to argue, Okay, did you
Speaker 1: explain to her what had happened? Yes? And what happened
Speaker 1: then George didn't like that I was yelling at his mother.
Speaker 1: How did you know he didn't like that what happened
Speaker 1: He came in and started smacking me with a built
Speaker 1: And we are in the house where you at that
Speaker 1: time in the kitchen doorway, and what happened? Then we
Speaker 1: went to the bedroom and when you see me, who
Speaker 1: do you mean? Me and George? And what happened there?
Speaker 1: He abducted your honor? Another basis is over um what
Speaker 1: happened in the bedroom? Um? I was going to go
Speaker 1: out and sit on the porch so I could calm down,
Speaker 1: and I'll be so angry. So you wanted to go
Speaker 1: outside to just be by yourself, calm down and not
Speaker 1: be as angry? Yes, okay? Were you permitted to go outside?
Speaker 1: You know? How were you not permitted to go outside?
Speaker 1: George stood in front of the door and went moving. Okay,
Speaker 1: And what did you do at that point? I bet
Speaker 1: him and try to rope the nuts off. When you
Speaker 1: say you bit him? Where did you bite him on
Speaker 1: his arm up towards his armpit? Okay? And why did
Speaker 1: you bite that area his arm? What was he doing
Speaker 1: at that point? He had his door, his arm against
Speaker 1: the door, not let me go through it? Did he
Speaker 1: let you pass? At that point? He grew up? Ahold
Speaker 1: of the nuts, so his arm moved. So that's where
Speaker 1: I ran out the door. And then what did you do?
Speaker 1: I started walking through the yard, and then George and
Speaker 1: Angela came outside to try to tell me to come
Speaker 1: back inside. And what happened outside? I told him that
Speaker 1: I was not going to go back inside, that I
Speaker 1: was going to leave, and so angel through a board
Speaker 1: at me and then told George that she's going to
Speaker 1: go inside to get a gun. When you say she
Speaker 1: threw aboard at you, what kind of a board? All right?
Speaker 1: Too good for? And both Angela and George were outside
Speaker 1: with you at that point, yes, okay, and then Angela
Speaker 1: said she's going to go get a gun. Yes. At
Speaker 1: any point outside, did George have physical contact with you? Yeah,
Speaker 1: before the argument got really worse. We were outside and
Speaker 1: we were arguing, and he told man, I needed to
Speaker 1: stop screaming. Where I was going to smack me? And
Speaker 1: so I screamed out her and so he smacked me.
Speaker 1: And where did he smack you? In the face? And
Speaker 1: then what was your response to that? And I told
Speaker 1: him that he just signed his two worspapers, that he
Speaker 1: signed his dark because sacked Yes. So when Angela says
Speaker 1: She's going to go get a gun. What do you do?
Speaker 1: I continue going to her home, the yard and through
Speaker 1: the face and I hid underneath the George's truck. And
Speaker 1: to your knowledge, where were George for Angela? I assume
Speaker 1: they were going in to get whichever gun they chose.
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