Speaker 1: So to be fair, I got a text from Terrell yesterday. Yesterday,
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Speaker 1: do I have him in the studio. We can talk
Speaker 1: a little NBA draft here. So, without further ado, Terrell
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Speaker 1: What is your overall I guess vibe of this draft stardom.
Speaker 3: This feels like stardom because you have the next carnation
Speaker 3: of Jesus walking on earth. Who is Victor wim Mignyana
Speaker 3: that has everybody made it seem like he's just automatically
Speaker 3: going to be great. And for one, if he's not
Speaker 3: good the first year, guys, please give him some time.
Speaker 3: He's still a center, like center is a hard position
Speaker 3: to learn in the NBA.
Speaker 2: But you have him. Then you have Scoot Henderson, who.
Speaker 3: Is a guy that if you ask anybody who watches
Speaker 3: Scoot Henderson, he is a number one overall pick. But unfortunately,
Speaker 3: because Jesus reincarnated walk that are forgetting Victor wm Binyonna,
Speaker 3: he is now being taught about. In number two with
Speaker 3: Brandon Miller. You go even further down and we'll talk
Speaker 3: about a guy that I like who was number one
Speaker 3: overall high school recruit and he's sliding in the draft.
Speaker 3: So this is just a draft full of stardom.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think I wonder because there's so many
Speaker 1: teams that are rumored to be moving up and down
Speaker 1: the board that you wonder, is it a deep draft?
Speaker 1: Is it like a three four person star draft with
Speaker 1: a lot of good role players, Like if you were
Speaker 1: to assess how many guys outside of the top three
Speaker 1: actually start year one.
Speaker 3: We think outside of the top three, I think you
Speaker 3: have a lot of questions. I think that where the
Speaker 3: issue is gonna come is everybody wants to see those
Speaker 3: starters come in and average twenty points per game. If
Speaker 3: you're a big you're already in double double territory. I
Speaker 3: should be betting your double double every game.
Speaker 2: Like Evan Mobley. Look at Evan Mobley.
Speaker 3: Now he is a really really good starter. In his
Speaker 3: first year, you were like, Okay, this guy's all right.
Speaker 3: He averaged sixteen seventeen.
Speaker 2: That's that's really good for a pretty good player rookie.
Speaker 3: That's really good for a rookie NBA player like Palo
Speaker 3: ben Cao. He's been really really good and he's getting better,
Speaker 3: Like he's gonna be better next year.
Speaker 2: We have che Hulk, who we haven't.
Speaker 3: Even seen yet. Like they're all these players in the NBA.
Speaker 3: People want them to just come in and be those
Speaker 3: all star twenty plus thirty plus per game scores, and
Speaker 3: it's not just gonna happen like that, Like it takes
Speaker 3: time to actually develop a player like they did Evan
Speaker 3: Mobley and Cleveland and now Evan Mobley next year could
Speaker 3: be knocking on the door all stars out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you talk about Evan Mobley and that is just
Speaker 1: an interesting thing about bigs and bigs taking a long
Speaker 1: time to develop. Also, oshayok Baji like he came on late.
Speaker 1: He was really good. I liked him a lot at Kansas.
Speaker 1: So it's gonna be fascinating to see how many guys
Speaker 1: come in and contribute right away. Another storyline that's kind
Speaker 1: of circulating is just all these teams that have needs
Speaker 1: and they think are going to be active right Okay,
Speaker 1: See is rumored to want to move up New York.
Speaker 1: Knicks are rumored to want to go.
Speaker 2: No, no, they're not. They're not.
Speaker 1: You don't think they're gonna go first.
Speaker 2: Somebody wants to come New York. Nobody wants come to Okay.
Speaker 1: Toronto rumored to move up. Cleveland rumored to move up.
Speaker 1: If you had to give a guess, who do you
Speaker 1: think that's not in the top ten now moves into
Speaker 1: the top ten.
Speaker 2: Golden State. Wow, if you're done leaving, you have to
Speaker 2: make a splash. You have to.
Speaker 3: Bob Byers gave this organization four championships for like, if
Speaker 3: you're done leaving, you got to make a splash, and
Speaker 3: saying that Jordan Poole is coming back for the next
Speaker 3: four years is not the way to make that splash.
Speaker 3: As the first active new GM power in Golden State,
Speaker 3: I think it's one hundred percent Golden State.
Speaker 2: I think Golden States are.
Speaker 3: Buyers at the at the draft and they find their
Speaker 3: way in the top ten.
Speaker 1: Wow, Like, who who do you think they Who do
Speaker 1: you think they make a trade with? Because it can't
Speaker 1: be ten. I don't think Mavericks need a Jordan Pool.
Speaker 1: They're not going to probably try to move up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I'd be surprised because they they could
Speaker 3: use some more death, especially for Dallas. But I'm looking
Speaker 3: at teams that kind of either got rid of their
Speaker 3: picks or they're just in this mode.
Speaker 2: Of stockpiling picks.
Speaker 3: Utah just feels like a team that's like, well, I mean,
Speaker 3: we're going nowhere fast, guys, so we might as well
Speaker 3: trade back. So Utah at nine is like the number
Speaker 3: one team I'm looking at. Washington didn't get a first
Speaker 3: round pick for Bradley Beal. We're gonna talk about that,
Speaker 3: but like.
Speaker 1: That would be interesting.
Speaker 3: So Washington could could move back, or Washington could just
Speaker 3: be a buyer and get somebody really good there.
Speaker 2: But Washington can move back.
Speaker 3: It's a couple of teams up there that I think
Speaker 3: would move back with the Golden State and Golden State
Speaker 3: take a Derek Lively the second. You know, probably the
Speaker 3: best defensive big in the draft class.
Speaker 1: So you really like Derek Lively. That hold on, let
Speaker 1: me let me wait on that one, because I think
Speaker 1: an interesting trade could be Wizards trade Chris Paul for
Speaker 1: and whatever, Chris Paul and the eight pick for Jordan
Speaker 1: Poole and whatever. Yeah, Golden State has are they seventeen eighteen?
Speaker 2: I think?
Speaker 3: And Chris Paul said he wants to go to a
Speaker 3: contender and still compete nineteen. You know, that's definitely in
Speaker 3: the wrong possibility. I think Chris Paul makes everything fun
Speaker 3: because you ought to like, he's worth some type of value.
Speaker 3: Everybody wants to devalue Chris Paul, and I completely understand it,
Speaker 3: but he's worth some type of value. So that with
Speaker 3: the first round pick is enticing to get a player
Speaker 3: that can come in your organization and play now.
Speaker 2: So we'll see.
Speaker 3: But oh man, the DC team very very poverty organizations.
Speaker 3: I don't think they're doing anything that's any benefit to them.
Speaker 1: You don't think even with Michael Winger coming in from
Speaker 1: the Clippers, which, by the way, the Clippers have made
Speaker 1: some really bad draft moves as well, underratedly bad draft moves. Obviously,
Speaker 1: moving Shay was was a terrible not only.
Speaker 2: Moving Shaye but giving up every single.
Speaker 1: Pick and Shae seven.
Speaker 3: We talked about it, and we talked about the worst
Speaker 3: trades one day and we said Rudy Gobert probably is
Speaker 3: going to go down as the worst ever. But nobody's
Speaker 3: talking about how bad that Paul George trade was and
Speaker 3: the fact that now Shay is a first teamer and
Speaker 3: he could potentially he almost led his team to the playoffs.
Speaker 2: Like he almost led to his team to the playoffs.
Speaker 3: So I don't know that that Paul George trade is
Speaker 3: pretty pretty bad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So okay, so let's talk a little bit about
Speaker 1: some of the teams that we think might be active.
Speaker 1: So what do you think Orlando's trying to do and
Speaker 1: how do you think they're trying to prioritize this draft
Speaker 1: because Palo said already that this year they have six
Speaker 1: and eleven. Palo said this year as playoffs or bust
Speaker 1: i really think this is a young team. We know
Speaker 1: that they've got the sixth pick and the eleventh pick,
Speaker 1: So do they package those picks to maybe try to
Speaker 1: get up into the top three to four? Do they
Speaker 1: sell off one of those picks for a veteran, Like
Speaker 1: what do you think? And obviously they're in need of
Speaker 1: a point guard, even though they have a million of them,
Speaker 1: they still need that and they need rim protection. So
Speaker 1: if you were to be a a better for what
Speaker 1: Orlando does, what do you think they do?
Speaker 3: I think D's in the situation where you can kind
Speaker 3: of just let the draft board fall to you, honestly,
Speaker 3: like if you want to make a splash play and
Speaker 3: go trade up into that top four. And it seems like, well,
Speaker 3: we know number one is not trading, and Charlotte has
Speaker 3: maintained that they're not going to trade their pick. I
Speaker 3: just saw today that Portland's said they're probably not going
Speaker 3: to trade their pick. I wouldn't be surprised if Houston
Speaker 3: tried to trade. But right now the top four, none
Speaker 3: of the top four teams are hurting for picks. Like
Speaker 3: everybody has an assortment of picks over the next few years.
Speaker 3: And that's what I'm looking for for teams that are
Speaker 3: looking to trade out of that top ten spot. Is
Speaker 3: what teams do not have picks coming up that would say, Okay,
Speaker 3: we can get another first round or this year, and
Speaker 3: I can get a first round or next year and
Speaker 3: replace some of those picks. And so I think they
Speaker 3: hold serve. I think they hold serve and they just
Speaker 3: let it come to them. Like you have a pretty
Speaker 3: good chance at number six to get one of the twins,
Speaker 3: well the lesser twin as some people say Asar So
Speaker 3: you still have a chance to get him. You have
Speaker 3: a chance to get Cam w Moore, you still have
Speaker 3: Anthony Black. It's a lot of really really good players.
Speaker 3: You talk about rim protection, Derek Livey's gonna be in
Speaker 3: there somewhere, And that's one of my teams that I
Speaker 3: have Lively going to if not trade at trade Yeah
Speaker 3: maybe at eleven. I don't think they would jump at six, but.
Speaker 2: Maybe at eleven.
Speaker 3: He could be there at eleven and just offer you
Speaker 3: that rim protection. Like everybody that needs rim protection, Dallas, Utah, Orlando,
Speaker 3: everybody should be looking at Derek Lively in that eight
Speaker 3: to eleven range. So I can see something like that,
Speaker 3: but I don't think they. I just can't see them
Speaker 3: making a trade with anybody unless somebody comes from behind
Speaker 3: and gives them two three extra picks.
Speaker 1: What do you think Derek g Liively is gonna be?
Speaker 1: Because the big man position is so polarizing, right, and
Speaker 1: you've got Derek Lively who's sort of kind of been
Speaker 1: creeping up the draft boards. A lot of teams like him.
Speaker 1: I'm just not a big fan of taking big men
Speaker 1: in the top ten, top twelve period because they're just
Speaker 1: such big bus potential, right. I love Duran, but I
Speaker 1: don't know that you should have taken him there. We'll
Speaker 1: see what he ends up being, Like James Wiseman, hasn't
Speaker 1: worked out, like a lot of these big men that
Speaker 1: are in the lottery don't end up working out very
Speaker 1: often right away. What do you like most about him?
Speaker 3: I like him more because of the situation I hate
Speaker 3: potentially go to and less about the player. So the
Speaker 3: player is an amazing player. We know he's a shot
Speaker 3: blocker average like some five point six rebounds in a
Speaker 3: whole bunch of blocks over during his time.
Speaker 2: And Duke hate the dookies.
Speaker 1: But that's like Mark Williams too, and he is just
Speaker 1: Trash and Charlotte.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's like it's the timing. Biggs take time
Speaker 3: to develop to the league, Like you can't just come
Speaker 3: into Polo can come into the league and he can
Speaker 3: give the league twenty Like if you watch Polo in
Speaker 3: summer League, you watched Polow in this rookie year, every
Speaker 3: one of his buckets were grown. Man, I'm gonna get
Speaker 3: a bucket bucket. Biggs don't get that opportunity, Like you
Speaker 3: have to learn defensive setups, you have to learn how
Speaker 3: to switch over. You got to learn the pick and
Speaker 3: roll and being able to guard the pick and roll, like,
Speaker 3: you got to learn all this stuff as a big
Speaker 3: and that doesn't just come in one season, Like a
Speaker 3: lot of that is trial and error, Like Rudy Gobert
Speaker 3: didn't come in and he looked didn't look like a
Speaker 3: defensive player of years first year, Draymond Green didn't look
Speaker 3: like a defenced player.
Speaker 2: Of the years first year. Like some of that stuff
Speaker 2: takes time.
Speaker 3: And so the issue that I had with Golden State
Speaker 3: when it was time and they picked wise men, was
Speaker 3: it a great pick for them, Yes, because they needed size,
Speaker 3: But there was no way Golden State was waiting for
Speaker 3: that because they're in a win now, more win now
Speaker 3: now MO terrible situation, but now wise men over there,
Speaker 3: and same thing with Duran them and Detroit, well, we
Speaker 3: don't got nothing to wait for. If y'all want to
Speaker 3: take three four years, then fine, bite be all that.
Speaker 3: So that's what I expect to see from Lively and
Speaker 3: somebody take from Lively because I think organizations understand that
Speaker 3: these bigs you gotta be patient with them, and if
Speaker 3: you're not gonna be patient, you don't need to take them.
Speaker 3: So a team like Orlando that's not going anywhere fast,
Speaker 3: no matter how much Polo wants to say that they are,
Speaker 3: they really really are, okay, they can take and invest
Speaker 3: more into them. A Golden State that is literally looks
Speaker 3: like they're kind of retooling things we just saw Draymond
Speaker 3: may potentially not be coming back.
Speaker 2: Is that news? Is that not news? We'll talk about it.
Speaker 3: But I mean, Derek Lively could be good there in
Speaker 3: a Golden State team that says, hey, we need a
Speaker 3: year or two to reset this thing. But just expecting
Speaker 3: him to come in and be this ultimate dominant defensive thing,
Speaker 3: I don't think it's gonna happen why.
Speaker 1: You think Walker Kessler developed so fast.
Speaker 3: I think it's because he's his offensive game and he
Speaker 3: was able to stretch the floor in how he was
Speaker 3: with that Utah Jazz team where it.
Speaker 2: Was go, go, go go. He was a big that
Speaker 2: can run the floor.
Speaker 3: He was a big that in our Auburn he was
Speaker 3: able to be able more on the offensive side and
Speaker 3: less about defense, Like we didn't really think of Walker
Speaker 3: Kessler as this big defensive shot blocking big like an
Speaker 3: are like a Evan Mobley. No, it was just more of, hey,
Speaker 3: this is another guy that's gonna be able to spread
Speaker 3: the floor with us. At the time, they thought they
Speaker 3: still had Rudy Gobert, so it was like, Okay, Ruby
Speaker 3: Gobert anchors, we have this kind of big lineup, and
Speaker 3: but Rudy Gobert goes all right, we bring in Walker Kessler.
Speaker 3: Walker Kesler is going to help us get more and
Speaker 3: more offense. So that was a lot easier for him.
Speaker 3: And then he's just a big guy, so he's able
Speaker 3: to dominate rebounding. But some of the little key things
Speaker 3: like as a big, Kessel still has to work on.
Speaker 1: But they I think he led the NBA though in blocks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was a defensive monster.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so I think that Kessler is now kind
Speaker 3: of I think that's kind of where everybody wants you
Speaker 3: to be. Is that kind of big that kind of
Speaker 3: comes in and turns it over quickly. But on a
Speaker 3: lot of other rosters, does he get that same opportunity
Speaker 3: to do that?
Speaker 2: Probably not.
Speaker 3: I think it just he got the perfect situation with
Speaker 3: no Rudy Gobert in Utah where they just said forget it.
Speaker 3: Hardy was just like, go play, go play, go, go
Speaker 3: do something, because we're not going to just sit here
Speaker 3: and tank all these games. And that's part of the
Speaker 3: reason why Utah was the best team as an underdog
Speaker 3: last season.
Speaker 2: Utah Jazz are inevitable.