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Speaker 1: It's holding onto that log so we can see the shore.

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Speaker 2: The turd log, the turd log. Better Better.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to More Better, a podcast where we stop pretending

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Speaker 1: to have it all together and embrace the journey of

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Speaker 1: becoming a little more better.

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Speaker 2: Every day, or at least trying to. I'm Melissa Flumero

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Speaker 2: and I'm Stephanie Beatrice. Welcome back, y'all. Oh wow, you

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Speaker 2: sound really psyched. A lot of coffee today. I love it,

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Speaker 2: and I love it so much. I'm having my third

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Speaker 2: one as well. Yay, how are you? I'm good, I'm

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Speaker 2: really yeah, I think so. You can't see Melissa's face,

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Speaker 2: but she's fully grimacing. How are you?

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Speaker 1: What have you done anything lately that's like a little

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Speaker 1: more better? Since we're talking about more Better.

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Speaker 2: I tell you what. So we are attempting to transition

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Speaker 2: the child, our child from whatever kinds of TV we've

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Speaker 2: been doing. These are child appropriate movies, this is child

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Speaker 2: appropriate shows. But like it's clearly having an effect on

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Speaker 2: her being like fuck you you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, So now we're like, all right, that's it.

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Speaker 2: It's just mister Rogers from nineteen eighty one through nineteen

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Speaker 2: ninety one, and that's it, bro like, and if you

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Speaker 2: don't want that, you can't watch TV. So I feel

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Speaker 2: like it's really hard to do because it's really easy

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Speaker 2: and like that stuff done. Yeah, but also I feel

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Speaker 2: I feel kind of positive about it because that's what

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Speaker 2: I had a lot of the TV that I watched

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Speaker 2: when I was a kid with low steem. That's what

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Speaker 2: they're calling it these days, a lot, That's what the

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Speaker 2: techtive is calling it. Anyway, what about you? What have

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Speaker 2: you done that's more better?

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Speaker 1: You know? Honestly, I feel like I'm in a little

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Speaker 1: bit of like more worse phase currently at the moment,

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Speaker 1: just kinda yeah, treading water a little bit. I've just

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Speaker 1: been really busy, which I'm very very grateful, grateful to

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Speaker 2: After guys, this is we're going to get some of

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Speaker 2: this in this podcast. It is going to be us

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Speaker 2: forcing positivity on ourselves.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, it's just yeah, it's just the last

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Speaker 1: you know, doing like the bear, you know what, I'm

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Speaker 2: Okay, So today what we wanted to talk about was

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Speaker 2: something that I think a lot of us think about

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Speaker 2: deal with ignore pretime we don't have, which is our

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Speaker 2: guilty pleasures. And by guilty pleasures, I mean like something

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Speaker 2: you're smut books and you're that has what is that

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Speaker 2: that has blah blah blah in it. I wouldn't eat

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Speaker 2: Well Jeane Chick gossip for those of you that don't

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Speaker 1: I remember how I texted you a few weeks ago

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Speaker 2: That you enjoy. Stephanie have so many. I know you do.

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Speaker 2: I love your healthy pleasures. First of all, I am

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Speaker 1: Yeah, do you feel like that's a guilty pleasure because

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Speaker 1: Let me just say that, well, first of all, I

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Speaker 2: I mean, but people do it. People judge, judge, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: You know. I mean, well, there's a lot to be

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Speaker 2: see the shore. But the only way you can get

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Speaker 2: Oh I didn't write it.

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Speaker 2: The guilty pleasure is the log.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes the guilty pleasure is the log.

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Speaker 2: Which makes sense because a log like a turd.

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Speaker 1: And I find do you find that when life is

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Speaker 1: Good, right, like, yeah, I don't feel good when I'm

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Speaker 1: hearing something like bad about someone, or yeah, I immediately

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Speaker 2: What the hell? But yeah, it's you.

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Speaker 1: Know, however, like lightly like teasing is like kind of.

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Speaker 2: Also lightly teasing. Oh my god, more better.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So seth, how do we stop feeling guilty about

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Speaker 1: our guilty pleasures? Maybe we start with like not calling

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Speaker 1: them guilty pleasures.

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Speaker 2: No, I like the I like the phrase guilty pleasures.

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Speaker 1: I know I feel like it just like inherently makes

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Speaker 1: us feel guilty, like just off the bat right away.

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Speaker 2: I think it takes the pressure off of it because

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Speaker 2: it's like, oh, you know, it's it's not like a

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Speaker 2: like a regular like I do this thing for pleasure.

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Speaker 2: It's like, oh, this is my guilty pleasure. So it's

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Speaker 2: totally fine, like right. I think some of it is

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Speaker 2: like I don't have to tell people that I meet

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Speaker 2: in work environments that I watched Love Island. Uh, you know,

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Speaker 2: some person like keeping it personal is Okay, what else

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Speaker 2: I guess like trying not. I forgive myself for judging

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Speaker 2: myself as lower intellect than people that don't want to

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Speaker 2: watch shows, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I also want you to let go of

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Speaker 1: like the lower intellect part because it has nothing to

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Speaker 1: do with your intellect.

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Speaker 2: I know it doesn't, it really doesn't. Just it's just

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Speaker 2: like if these shows are listen, these shows are produced, well, they're.

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Speaker 1: Hilarious, They're watched by millions and millions.

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Speaker 2: They have some of the most complex female characters on

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Speaker 2: television today, I mean villains and heroes.

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Speaker 1: Maybe if we wrote better stories for women, we wouldn't

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Speaker 1: need them so much.

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Speaker 2: It's just surprise, surprise, not me quoting TikTok. I think

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Speaker 2: that's some of the ways. I mean. This is like

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Speaker 2: stuff that we a lot of. It is self forgiveness.

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Speaker 2: I think, like, yeah, I know, forgiving yourself for judging yourself.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and letting go, letting go of what we think

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Speaker 1: maybe people might think of us or judge our choice

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Speaker 1: in guilty pleasure. Like I know it's easier said than done,

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Speaker 1: but like who the fuck cares?

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Speaker 2: Who the fuck cares what people think?

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Speaker 1: Like, you know, if it's your thing, and it gives

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Speaker 1: you some some release, some escapism, some just like a

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Speaker 1: fucking break, a rest. Yeah, as I was saying before,

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Speaker 1: we don't need to earn a rest.

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Speaker 2: We can just rest, you don't, You don't you don't

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Speaker 2: need to earn the rest. Yeah, radical rest.

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Speaker 1: And I guess just like also being mindful of perhaps

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Speaker 1: balance with it, you know, if it be, you know,

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Speaker 1: just like checking in that we're not in too much.

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Speaker 2: I suppose you know what, Melissa, my twelve hour marathon

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Speaker 2: of Real Housewives of New York is not your problem.

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Speaker 1: You know what, it's not you know what, correct? You

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Speaker 1: are correct, Stephanie, it's not.

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Speaker 2: But I do think to your point, like mindful check ins.

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Speaker 2: I marathoned that a couple of seasons of real houses

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Speaker 2: in New York, and I like realized at the end

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Speaker 2: of the marathon that I was fucking sad. I was like, bro,

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Speaker 2: I gotta get out of this apartment. I gotta like

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Speaker 2: move around because I'm just watching this because I'm so

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Speaker 2: sad and it's not a pleasure anymore. It's like it

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Speaker 2: went much a good thing, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, enjoy your guilty pleasures. Don't give a fuck

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Speaker 1: what other people think. And mindful check ins is what

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Speaker 1: we concluded.

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Speaker 2: Mindfulness. Don't worry about it. You could skip to the

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Speaker 2: end right now, Skippers here you are. Don't worry about it.

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Speaker 2: Don't worry about it.

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Speaker 1: Bro, don't worry about what I'm doing. Don't worry about

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Speaker 1: what you're doing.

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Speaker 2: Meme of that girl. Worry about yourself, worry about yourself.

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Speaker 2: Do you feel a little more better? You know what

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Speaker 2: I think I do.

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Speaker 1: It's fun to talk about guilty pleasures. It was, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I like feel better about my all the guilty pleasures.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to indulge in on Wednesday.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna have the best Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna have the best Wednesday. I'm just gonna be

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Speaker 1: on the couch all like a day, probably watching Bridgerton.

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Speaker 2: Oh God, what a good show. I know sid side

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Speaker 2: note wide brand show. Nicola. You're just you know, a gift,

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Speaker 2: A gift gift, Stephanie.

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Speaker 1: Do you feel a little more better?

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Speaker 2: Honestly, I don't know. I don't. I was like, honestly,

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Speaker 2: I don't. Okay, that's okay, I don't. I'm only because

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Speaker 2: like for me, like I wish I was the kind

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Speaker 2: of person that just could be like, yeah, fuck it.

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Speaker 2: I love myself and everything about me, but I'm not

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Speaker 2: and I do sometimes care too much what other people judge.

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Speaker 2: But I think in this conversation, it's like, okay, I

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Speaker 2: can tell you because I know you're not going to

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Speaker 2: judge me. And I think it's a little bit of that, right,

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Speaker 2: like a little bit of choosing who you share your

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Speaker 2: guilty pleasures with because it's not necessarily it doesn't need

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Speaker 2: to be everybody, you know. Yeah, it's like, not everybody

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Speaker 2: needs to know that about me. I mean not everybody does, now,

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Speaker 2: I know because we're talking about it on a podcast.

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Speaker 2: But like the other things that in my life that

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Speaker 2: I feel are little guilty pleasures, I don't necessarily have

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Speaker 2: to share them with everybody. They can be for just me,

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Speaker 2: and that's okay too. And there's nothing wrong with like

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Speaker 2: some of those things being for just me as long

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Speaker 2: as I'm not breaking a lot or hurting anybody, you know,

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Speaker 2: I think's okay. I don't know that I feel more

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Speaker 2: better about it, but I think I understand it a

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Speaker 2: little better.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I'll take it. I mean, that's pretty good.

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Speaker 1: That's really good.

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Speaker 2: So listen. We hope you enjoyed whatever you were doing

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Speaker 2: washing dishes, maybe you were driving, you know, and whether

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Speaker 2: are you're like failing or flailing or surviving? Are thriving?

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Speaker 2: We get it, we get it. Thanks for hanging out

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Speaker 2: with us while we discussed and digested. Bye Bye bye,

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Speaker 2: Next time, More More Better. Do you have something you'd

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Speaker 2: to talk about in a future episode?

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Speaker 2: with Stephanie Melissa is a production from Wvsound and iHeartMedia's

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Speaker 2: Mikutura podcast network, hosted by me, Steffanie Beatriz and Melissa Fumero.

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Speaker 2: More Better is produced by Isis Madrid, Leo Clem, and

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Speaker 2: Sophie Spencer Zebos. Our executive producers are Wilmer Valderrama and

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Speaker 2: Leo Clem at Wvsound. This episode was edited by Isis

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Speaker 2: Madrid and engineered by Sean Tracy and features original music

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Speaker 2: by Madison Davenport and hey Loo Boy.

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