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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season four, Episode five

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Speaker 1: of The Daily Zi Geist. Uh it's the season finale,

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Speaker 1: you guys, and we're talking about November third, two thousand seventeen.

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Speaker 1: My name is Jack O'Brien, A K. Potatoes O'Brien, and

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Speaker 1: I am joined as always by my co host, Mr

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Speaker 1: Miles Great, Mr Boy Miles A K. Young Bookery, and

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Speaker 1: we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat

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Speaker 1: by uh a hilarious stand up, a great writer, a

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Speaker 1: fashion icon Riley Silverman. Hello, do I need an A

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Speaker 1: K A as well? Or is that just like you thing?

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Speaker 1: I mean on the spot? Hit hit me one, the

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Speaker 1: next doctor boom, yeah, the next doctor. Yeah, I love it. Ryle.

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Speaker 1: What's something from your search history that, uh you you

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Speaker 1: believe is revealing about who you are as a human being.

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Speaker 1: I have been doing a deep dive into random flirtatious

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Speaker 1: gifts because I am I am entering into a long

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Speaker 1: distance lation ship with someone and that's been the primary

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Speaker 1: means of are flirting is is gifts. So it's a

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Speaker 1: lot of like very specific TV show references or emotional

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Speaker 1: feelings in gift form. And so I think my history

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Speaker 1: is just full of weird gifts a lot of Mary

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Speaker 1: Louise Parker from the TV show Weeds. Frinking ice coffee

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Speaker 1: seems to be like the number one gift set of

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Speaker 1: our relationship? Are you all Weeds fans? Well, yeah, and

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Speaker 1: Mary Louise Parker has this weird and we like she

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Speaker 1: and I both read on this has this weird like

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Speaker 1: iconic status amongst like queer women, even though she is

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Speaker 1: very tragical head of resexual it. But she's just been

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Speaker 1: in a bunch of different queer like projects or adjacent

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Speaker 1: to things. And also it's just she just has that

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Speaker 1: about her and Weeds in particular, she just really like

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Speaker 1: exudes a palpable sexuality. Yeah, and then like they embraced it,

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Speaker 1: like all the flyers and all the flyers, all the

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Speaker 1: like posters and billboards were always her dominate trixiek dealers

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Speaker 1: she covered in like weed and one of them, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: remember that billboard bare If you're asking me, do you

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Speaker 1: do you make your own gifts? I don't know how,

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Speaker 1: And I'm okay with that. Okay, I know it's really easy,

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Speaker 1: Evan told, and like really easy. A couple times I've

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Speaker 1: wanted something in gift for him and someone's kind of

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Speaker 1: like arrogant about it, like you can just make it,

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, like, for me, it feels like when

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Speaker 1: someone's like you could change your own oil, I'm like,

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Speaker 1: you don't tell me how to live right right? Like

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Speaker 1: why would I do that when someone is already doing

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Speaker 1: that somewhere. I just like, gifts exist for a reason.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't want to have to track down

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Speaker 1: the footage that I'm looking for to make the gift,

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Speaker 1: Like that's the thing, Like that would be harder for

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Speaker 1: me than just hoping someone has the gift. That makes

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Speaker 1: me feel really sad because I sometimes go through painstaking

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Speaker 1: lengths to make the right gift of like just very

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Speaker 1: specific things that that's really for an audience of one.

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Speaker 1: That should make you happy. Man, you are making love

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Speaker 1: possible between two human beings, Like I guess if someone

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Speaker 1: really wants like a very specific part of like one

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Speaker 1: line Tom Sizemore said, and saving private Ryan as a gift,

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Speaker 1: That's how I expressed my Actually she and I got

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Speaker 1: together all Riley, what is something you believe to be overrated?

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Speaker 1: I think I believe it'd be over rated is the

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Speaker 1: horror film Sleepaway Camp. I'm tired of hearing about it.

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Speaker 1: I know we're out of Halloween now, but I'm tired

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Speaker 1: of hearing says gender people tell me how shocking the

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Speaker 1: ending of Sleepaway Camp was. Yeah, transgender people exist. You

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Speaker 1: can get over it, like if you were a kid

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Speaker 1: and you were shocked then and you can remember just

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Speaker 1: being shocked in fine, but it's two thousand seventeen. We exist,

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Speaker 1: some women have penises. Get over it. I'm tired of

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Speaker 1: hearing about it. So the ending of Sleepaway Camp, the

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Speaker 1: big twist is a reveal that the villain was a

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Speaker 1: trans woman. A trans woman got it. And it's part

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Speaker 1: of an era of filmmaking that is kind of referred

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Speaker 1: to as like trans panic, which is essentially like this.

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Speaker 1: It's you've got like you got your Silence of the Lands,

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Speaker 1: You've got your dressed to kill, You've got even like

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Speaker 1: ace Ventura Pet Detective. There's a whole era of these

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Speaker 1: as this like psychotic killer. And then it's like, oh,

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Speaker 1: all trans people are disturbed and threatening to us. And

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Speaker 1: And it's also just like really like at this point,

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Speaker 1: it's just it's done. Stop doing it that way, right, Yeah, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: for sure, I feel really Sleepaway Camp is a movie

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Speaker 1: horror movies with twist endings, and the only twist like

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Speaker 1: that's like bulsion. It's like, can we swear? I just

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Speaker 1: swear like you we we demand it. Um, Yeah, you

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Speaker 1: haven't hit your quality yet. You have about thirteen mortgage

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Speaker 1: Oh it's gonna happen. One for every doctor. What's something

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Speaker 1: you believe to be underrated Joan Cusack Joan Cusa, thank you.

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Speaker 1: I think John is the superior Cusack sibling. Yeah. I've

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Speaker 1: been having a lot of Actually I wasn't even sure

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Speaker 1: a point where we collectively got over John Cusack and

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Speaker 1: And I asked, I asked today on Facebook about John Cusack.

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Speaker 1: I was, when did we get over him? People, we're not.

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Speaker 1: And then I was like, name the last John Cusack

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Speaker 1: movie you saw that, Like you can name off top

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Speaker 1: always like hottub time Machine, which is like seven years ago,

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Speaker 1: kind of making fun of Yeah, um yeah Joan. And

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Speaker 1: you know, Joan is like a good utility character actress.

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Speaker 1: I think that she should be in more things, and

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Speaker 1: I think she's always people kind of forget how great

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Speaker 1: she is an Adam's Family Values as Debbie. That's like

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Speaker 1: pretty much. And then uh, anyway, that's my favorite line

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Speaker 1: over his mind. Also, I had a mad crush on

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Speaker 1: her once. She was in the movie Toys. Yeah, Toys

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Speaker 1: is also let's go ahead but out in the underrated

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Speaker 1: Toys is due for a renaissance, Like it is such

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Speaker 1: a weird, bizarre little movie. Have you never seen it?

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Speaker 1: I did when I was a child. It's got Dumbledore,

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Speaker 1: It's got L L cool j. It's got Robin Williams.

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Speaker 1: It's got Joan Cusack. It's like this bizarre, weird movie

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Speaker 1: that's like and it kind of like pre predicts draw

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Speaker 1: like basically like little kids like being able to fight

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Speaker 1: Thank you all cool Ja, Thank you toys. And you

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Speaker 1: came in. When I came in, you were camouflaged as

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Speaker 1: a couch exactly. I ordered a mannate sandwich. So he'sn't

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Speaker 1: really working out for us. That is multiple toys references

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Speaker 1: there's enough things happening in toys that I could probably

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Speaker 1: minutes of that movie. It is a bizarre Okay, that's

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Speaker 1: all the toys. I'm sorry. And esthetically it was beautiful,

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Speaker 1: like the set design. I'm just I'm all about toys movie.

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Speaker 1: Let me look right now, you got it right in

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Speaker 1: Joe cues X. That's a very very Levinson kind of

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Speaker 1: you Riley by now and know a lot about the

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Speaker 1: movie Toys. Uh So, real quick, before getting to the

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Speaker 1: stories the daily zeitgeist, we are trying to take a

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Speaker 1: Uh And before we get into it, uh, Riley, we

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Speaker 1: opportunity to correct the zeitgeist. And you touched in you

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Speaker 1: more willing to be publicly divisive amongst ourselves, and so

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Speaker 1: with someone like Weinstein or whatever, no matter how much

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Speaker 1: money he's donated, like our candidates or whatever, we're still like, like,

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Speaker 1: we will tear down our idols all the time, and

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Speaker 1: sometimes to our detriment. To where we can't like win

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Speaker 1: elections is easily because we can't rally behind a common figure.

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Speaker 1: Like I always say that Republicans or like conservatives will

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Speaker 1: rally behind the like ten percent of things they do

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Speaker 1: agree on, whereas liberals we will always like terry to

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Speaker 1: or apart about the temper cent we don't agree right in.

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Speaker 1: And that's like, that's what I saw last year at

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Speaker 1: the election, to even outside of the sexual harassment stuff. It. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I do wonder that that's a really good point.

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Speaker 1: And I also wonder if, like I had read this

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Speaker 1: article that was really sort of deep dive into a

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Speaker 1: single community in Colorado, uh and sort of how the

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Speaker 1: two thousand sixteen election went down there. And one of

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Speaker 1: the most surprising things was there was this group of

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Speaker 1: women called Women for Trump that really got involved in

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Speaker 1: the community, uh, you know, doing voter outreach and um,

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Speaker 1: they actually formed the day after the Access Hollywood tape

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Speaker 1: came out. And there uh point or like their thesis

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Speaker 1: was that they were tired of the liberal media telling

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Speaker 1: them how they were supposed to feel about, you know,

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Speaker 1: sexual politics. And well that's part of the Trump effect

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Speaker 1: in general. I Trump Trump has figured out how to

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Speaker 1: play conservative fatigue over liberal outrage like a fiddle, and

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Speaker 1: so he continually while in office and even beforehand, would

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Speaker 1: say inflammatory things that people will get up in arms about,

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Speaker 1: oftentimes very rightfully so. But because it happens so often,

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Speaker 1: he can do it so frequently and on so many

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Speaker 1: topics that everybody who reacts to it, people who who

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Speaker 1: have any sort of inclination of like I'm tired of

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Speaker 1: the PC police or whatever, can go, yeah, we're sick

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Speaker 1: of hearing about it. We're tired of and so they

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Speaker 1: almost like revel in the way that he baits us

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Speaker 1: and the way that he taunts us. And it's this

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Speaker 1: frustrating thing as a person who cares about als with

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Speaker 1: justice or a person who cares about like rights and

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Speaker 1: equality of like, well, we can't just let things go.

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Speaker 1: But we also, I don't know yet how we even

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Speaker 1: react to stuff without also then making it worse for us,

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Speaker 1: Like it's it's such a frustrating game of chess. And

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Speaker 1: and yeah, it's easy to do because whether it's allegations

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Speaker 1: of sexual assault or obstruction of justice or whatever it

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Speaker 1: is is it's just another thing again that people it's

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Speaker 1: easy if you are Trump supporters just say oh there, well,

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Speaker 1: that's just another thing they're trying to like what is

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Speaker 1: it this week, what's the big Trump complete this week?

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Speaker 1: And it's easy to just to dismiss it like outright,

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Speaker 1: and I think again because like the sort of part

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Speaker 1: is an angle of it all too. It's it's hard

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Speaker 1: to to sort of embrace that or or to embrace

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Speaker 1: the truth and say, oh, this is this is really wrong.

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Speaker 1: And if you also look like the women who supported Trump,

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Speaker 1: I think he got sixty one percent of the white

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Speaker 1: women without college degree vote, and that is a group

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Speaker 1: who just if you look at polling, like on a continuum,

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Speaker 1: they're growing more conservative in the in the in recent years.

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Speaker 1: So to even have, like you know, to to have

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Speaker 1: that group of women as your supporter base, that's not

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Speaker 1: going to do much for him to be held to

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Speaker 1: any any form of anything that resembles accountability. Didn't Trump

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Speaker 1: get most of the white women, of white women, of

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Speaker 1: white women, white women overall, yeah, of overall, and white

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Speaker 1: women without college degrees, and that's that the one without

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Speaker 1: college agree he is the one that is continually getting

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Speaker 1: more conservative. And again I think even now we don't

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Speaker 1: talk about the misconduct after the fact, because at the

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Speaker 1: end of the day, he was elected president and so

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Speaker 1: that basically the America co signed that and said, well,

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Speaker 1: I guess that's not a problem because it was enough

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Speaker 1: for him to become president and a lot of the

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Speaker 1: stuff that was being rallied against him got dropped, Like

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Speaker 1: the case the underage assault case that he was that

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Speaker 1: was like being built up and like it was going

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Speaker 1: to courts, and then he got elected. I don't think

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Speaker 1: anyone thought he was gonna win, and so he had

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Speaker 1: like court dates set and then the day he was elected,

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Speaker 1: then like suddenly that disappeared because the victim didn't want

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Speaker 1: to come forward anymore. Right, I should have said that

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Speaker 1: those uh examples, they are just the examples that people

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Speaker 1: are still willing to kind of accuse him of. Um.

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Speaker 1: And that's kind of the thing with the Weinstein Weinstein

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Speaker 1: case too, is that Weinstein's case, it's not like it

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Speaker 1: just happened overnight, Like Ronan Farrell had like a like

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Speaker 1: a months and months long investigation into this that he

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Speaker 1: could come forward. And I think, like that's the problems

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Speaker 1: you with the Trump stuff is like we have these

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Speaker 1: scattered reports to come forward. We don't have anybody who's

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Speaker 1: just going like, here are all the things that we

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Speaker 1: need to say, you know, um, and I guess during

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Speaker 1: the election, many people did come out to accuse Trump

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Speaker 1: of sexual harassment, and at the time, at every rally

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Speaker 1: is like, oh, these people are lying. They're just trying

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Speaker 1: to smear me for the campaign, and it was it

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Speaker 1: wasn't taken seriously because if again from a partisan angle,

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Speaker 1: it just seems like it's like a smear, like if

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Speaker 1: you believe in the conspiratory liste, Like, oh, whould they

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Speaker 1: pay to say this this week? Is the mentality of

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Speaker 1: some people who were so dismissive of these accusations. And

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Speaker 1: he plays in those conpiracy theory things all the time.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, and I mean, I guess just to play

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Speaker 1: a devil's advocate. Uh. The whole country kind of by

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Speaker 1: by the end of the Lewinsky scandal was kind of

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Speaker 1: ready to move on and we're like, yeah, okay, we

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Speaker 1: get it. He got a blowjob from an intern. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, let's move on. And he's doing a good

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Speaker 1: job and the economy is strong. Uh when when it

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Speaker 1: was a Democrat, Uh, that that's handle just Uh. I

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Speaker 1: talked about how the movie American Beauty, Uh, well, when

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Speaker 1: I first saw it, I was, you know, an adolescent kid,

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Speaker 1: and so it wasn't as creepy to me, um, because

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Speaker 1: I was younger than the like high school girl that

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Speaker 1: Kevin Spacey was lusting after, the same thing with the

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Speaker 1: Lewinsky affair, like she was like twenty two or something

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Speaker 1: that you know, someone was talking about recently on a

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Speaker 1: Facebook thread that I was in and about how different

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Speaker 1: I think we would have viewed that entire affair in

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Speaker 1: seventeen versus in the mid nineties when it happened, because

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Speaker 1: to think about how phillinized Monica Lewinsky was by the

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Speaker 1: culture when she really was just a young kid who

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Speaker 1: was like seduced by her very very very powerful boss.

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Speaker 1: And like how like you know, Lensky has said that

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Speaker 1: like for a long time, like her mom wouldn't let

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Speaker 1: her close the door watches going in the bathroom because

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Speaker 1: she's afraid she would kill herself. Like it was like

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Speaker 1: that she was being tormented by the media and just

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Speaker 1: like being viciously bullied all the time and now and

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Speaker 1: if I think that if if she came forward, she

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Speaker 1: would get at least a little bit more respect, at

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Speaker 1: least have a camp that was way more on her

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Speaker 1: side than before it really hope, So you know, I

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00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: mean who knows, but well, yeah, and I think again too,

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Speaker 1: with the fact that with Trump being elected president, that

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Speaker 1: that only reaffirms his worldview that well, look, I can

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Speaker 1: do that and it's it's not a problem, and you

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Speaker 1: can see that, and how he's like rolling back Obama

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Speaker 1: era sexual assault guidelines or transgender bands and things like that.

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Speaker 1: Getting elected is like the worst thing for someone who

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Speaker 1: has done something the kinds of accusations he has facing him,

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Speaker 1: and yeah, been being electable, Like there's no reason for

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Speaker 1: you to think that there's anything wrong with anything you've done. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he thinks that he's been proven completely right, right, and

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Speaker 1: it's almost an he won on a because tour college.

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Speaker 1: He didn't win by popular vote, but like he doesn't

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Speaker 1: always seem to really want to believe that or understand that,

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Speaker 1: and so he in his mind thinks, like I am

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Speaker 1: on the pulse of the American people, and they believe

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Speaker 1: what I believe, and or at least that's what he's

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Speaker 1: telling himself. So I want to talk about one of

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Speaker 1: these accusations that is isn't getting as many headlines because

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Speaker 1: the person is not uh that famous, but the publisher

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Speaker 1: of the magazine Art Forum, uh his name is Knight Landisman.

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Speaker 1: Uh is being accused of sexually harassing a young woman

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Speaker 1: named Amanda Schmidt. Um, and the details are really pretty

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Speaker 1: gross uh and horrifying. And uh, I don't know. So

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Speaker 1: art Forum is apparently the the magazine in the art world.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of like where where people go to, you know,

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Speaker 1: decide if artist is worth a damn And um, I

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Speaker 1: think I assumed that the art world was like progressive

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Speaker 1: when it comes to the sexual politics, just based on

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Speaker 1: the content of you know, what cutting edge avant got

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Speaker 1: gard art is about. And yeah, I thought it was

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00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: all like Maud from Big Lebowski. And you know, it

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Speaker 1: turns out it's still got a lot of problems. Um.

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Speaker 1: This uh feminists critique of art history called why haven't

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Speaker 1: there been any Great women artists? And uh, it's just

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Speaker 1: this amazing essay that examines the history of sexism in

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Speaker 1: the history of art. Uh. The writer talks about all

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Speaker 1: the different ways that institutionalized sexism made it so that

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Speaker 1: women like couldn't be considered great, couldn't practice the art form,

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Speaker 1: like they weren't allowed to paint nude models because it

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Speaker 1: was deemed unladylike just excelling at a single skill was

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Speaker 1: deemed unladylike parents weren't gonna let their daughters be painters. Um.

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Speaker 1: So she just makes this argument that uh, you know

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Speaker 1: that question, which I think was being asked more when

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Speaker 1: she wrote it. She wrote the essay in which I

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Speaker 1: probably should have set up. Okay, yeah, I thought you

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Speaker 1: were saying that this guy who got who stepped down,

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Speaker 1: was the one who published it. Like, well, there's plenty

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00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,959
Speaker 1: of examples of of monstrous men who have been vocally

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Speaker 1: in support of feminism until they get caught being a harasser. Right,

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Speaker 1: so I guess it's just And actually the editor in

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Speaker 1: chief of the magazine has stepped down. It is a woman,

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Speaker 1: and she just was like, I can't you know, support

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Speaker 1: this uh magazine, this publication anymore. Um. But it's it's

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Speaker 1: interesting to me to kind of examine, like to take

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Speaker 1: another look at the art world and you know all

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Speaker 1: the ways that even though it is sort of this

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Speaker 1: cutting edge cultural thing, uh, you know, it has been

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Speaker 1: very dominated by white men, just as much as you know,

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Speaker 1: other industries and like Wall Street and ship like that. Um.

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Speaker 1: You know, there there's this group called the Guerrilla Girls,

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Speaker 1: and they've been working sort of anonymously for years too,

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Speaker 1: basically exposed, as they say, and they're in they're like

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00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: mission statement, like gender and ethnic bias as well as

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00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: corruption and everything from politics, art, film, pop culture. So

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Speaker 1: one of the campaigns they did was throwing up stickers

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Speaker 1: about the lack of uh, one person exhibitions that were

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Speaker 1: put on by female artists in New York. So the

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Speaker 1: Guggenheim didn't have any, the Metropolitan didn't have any, the

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Speaker 1: Modern had one, and the Whitney didn't have any. And

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Speaker 1: then in TWI, in terms of women who are having

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Speaker 1: one person exhibitions in in the top New York City museums,

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Speaker 1: the Guggenheim had one, the Metropolitan had one, the Modern

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Speaker 1: had two, and the Whitney had one. So even in

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Speaker 1: what is the thirty years, that is incremental change. You know,

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Speaker 1: my dad is an artist, which is why I'm sort

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Speaker 1: of waxing on about this, and and he's and he's

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Speaker 1: a he's black man, so he's sort of had to

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Speaker 1: confront the art world head on and things like this. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, the power still concentrated in men's hands, but also, uh,

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Speaker 1: there a lot of the collectors they still value men's work.

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Speaker 1: By far. So they and essentially collectors are the ones

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Speaker 1: that assigned the value to art because they're telling you

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Speaker 1: what they what they think this piece is worth paying for.

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Speaker 1: And now in the last twenty years, there are more

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Speaker 1: female curators and that's a step in the direction, but

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Speaker 1: there's still very much a huge problem of representation, like

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Speaker 1: within the art world. Um, and I guess you know,

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Speaker 1: who knows what it's going to take to break that.

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Speaker 1: And I think even when you think about in the

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Speaker 1: article and asks like who are the great women artists?

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Speaker 1: I'm not a huge art expert, but if if you

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Speaker 1: asked me to say, name an artist, I would probably

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Speaker 1: say a male artist immediately, you know, or even if

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Speaker 1: you asked young kids, they say like Shepherd Ferry or

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Speaker 1: Banksy or something like that. You know, if if you

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Speaker 1: said name a prolific female artist, I would have trouble.

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Speaker 1: I would say Georgia O'Keeffe and then I would begin

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Speaker 1: really having to think then, like, you know, I couldn't

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Speaker 1: just list them down like that. And I think that

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Speaker 1: is also very indicative of kind of what even the

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Speaker 1: people who might not be totally into the art scene,

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Speaker 1: that how little exposure we actually have. Two female artists

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Speaker 1: in general. Yeah, the the fact that collectors, you know,

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Speaker 1: the rest of society sort of bleeding into how artists

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Speaker 1: are valued in that way, like the fact that you know,

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Speaker 1: many of the richest people in the world are still

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Speaker 1: white men, is probably has a huge effect on that.

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Speaker 1: Um I was gonna say that. The other thing is

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Speaker 1: too is not unlike like comedy or or any sort

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Speaker 1: of entertainment kind of thing. A lot of it is

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Speaker 1: is who you know and who knows you to bring

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Speaker 1: you into the fold. And that sends to be people

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Speaker 1: tend to have this like intrinsic bias about like there's

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Speaker 1: a term for it, but basically like oh, I know

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Speaker 1: these guys, I'm gonna bring them in, you know, and

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Speaker 1: that like that's like there was an article just came

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Speaker 1: out this week about the lack of people of color,

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Speaker 1: especially women of color, in the writer's room and television

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Speaker 1: and how I think right now was something like less

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Speaker 1: than four percent of writers for TV shows are people

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Speaker 1: of color. And how like like on Hulu, of all

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Speaker 1: of whose original series, not a single writer as a

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Speaker 1: person of color, and like that's that's like a huge,

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Speaker 1: huge gap in representation. And it's because so much of

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Speaker 1: like TV. Right. Again, the industry you would think from

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Speaker 1: service value is super liberal and super inclusive, but when

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Speaker 1: you actually look at the numbers, they don't hold it

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Speaker 1: upright because, like art, it has gatekeepers that you have

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Speaker 1: to get past. And I guess all industries have gatekeepers,

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Speaker 1: but some are just easier to get TV and movies

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Speaker 1: especially like you need a shipload of money to make

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Speaker 1: those things. And so unless you're one of like an

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Speaker 1: anomaly of a person who can start on YouTube completely

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Speaker 1: self started, and then and just by virtue of your

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Speaker 1: audience being so big, they pull you into the mainstream

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Speaker 1: like Ray has exactly. Uh great, we're gonna take a

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Speaker 1: quick break and we'll be right back, and we're back. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And we should acknowledge that the three of us are

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Speaker 1: not like experts on art by any means. Our superproducer

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Speaker 1: Nick Stump pointed out that there is a great artist

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Speaker 1: name Louis Bourgeois. Uh and uh, she actually came came

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Speaker 1: around like around the time of Jackson Pollock and Mark Rothko,

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Speaker 1: and she thought that Uh. She pointed out that surrealists

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Speaker 1: made women the object of their art, and she was

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00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 1: trying to make women the subject of art. But that

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00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 1: is Uh, that's a big change, and I didn't realize

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Speaker 1: how big a change it was before uh that conversation.

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Speaker 1: So get off my back, Nick, I mean mail gay

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Speaker 1: as a term comes from from art. Comeat bo show. Um.

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Speaker 1: So in our remaining time, I wanted to talk about

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump's sleep schedule, you guys, um, and just sleep

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Speaker 1: in general, because so he Bragg's constantly about only needing

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Speaker 1: four hours of sleep a night, um, which I guess

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Speaker 1: Margaret Thatcher was the same way, she said she only

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Speaker 1: needed four hours of sleep at night. I think Obama

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Speaker 1: was too. I think that was something he came aout

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Speaker 1: during his presidency. Yeah. Well, I think a lot of

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Speaker 1: presidents don't get that much sleep, but Trump, like forever

718
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Speaker 1: has said like why he barely needs that much sleep? Um.

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Speaker 1: But if you look at his tweets before people started

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Speaker 1: taking his phone away, when he like left the Oval

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Speaker 1: office at night, like went up to bed, Uh, he

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Speaker 1: did send out some of his more erratic I guess

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Speaker 1: you could say tweets uh in the middle of the

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Speaker 1: night like Uh. That there was also the so there

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Speaker 1: was first of all, the despite the constant negative press

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Speaker 1: cove Fay Fay tweets came out of the title the

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Speaker 1: night Uh there was Uh did crooked Hillary helped disgusting

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Speaker 1: check out sex tape and passed Alicia and become a

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Speaker 1: US citizens so she could use her in the debate. Um.

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Speaker 1: And you know, a bunch of you know, a bunch

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Speaker 1: of hateful stuff about Megan Kelly. Uh. And you know,

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Speaker 1: he he just a lot a lot of his most

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Speaker 1: famous Twitter tirades from during the election came and afterwards too, yeah,

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Speaker 1: after you and UM. It's just interesting because it seems

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Speaker 1: like I don't know, I wonder what, like if there's

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Speaker 1: something about you know, the fact that he doesn't sleep

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Speaker 1: is is strange, Like he's sort of almost this alternate

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Speaker 1: type of person who like lives by this alternate sleep schedule. Um.

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Speaker 1: And that there are like, for instance, there's there's a

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Speaker 1: type of I guess most dolphins, but they're in particular

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Speaker 1: these spinner dolphins that I saw when I went to

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Speaker 1: Hawaii back in June. I saw like we were out

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Speaker 1: on a boat and these dolphins came up and were

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Speaker 1: like playing and uh, you know, swimming alongside the boat.

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Speaker 1: And the captain of the boat was like, yeah, they're

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Speaker 1: sleep Actually they just never sleep like we do because

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Speaker 1: they would get eaten or drown. Uh, So they sleep

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Speaker 1: with like one part of their brain at a time,

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Speaker 1: And um, I don't know. Experts on human sleep talk

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Speaker 1: about how you know, you don't fall one to sleep

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Speaker 1: and then like wake up one percent. There are moments

752
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: of like partial sleep. Parts of the brain can go

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00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: offline for periods of a few seconds to thirty seconds. Um,

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00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:14,280
Speaker 1: there are things called micro sleep where you just slip

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00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 1: up and you know. They've actually studied people who are

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Speaker 1: like train engineers and found that they are like will

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00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 1: occasionally be asleep when they thought they were awake the

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00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: whole time. A lot of people, Uh have you even

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00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 1: been seen to fall asleep for three to five seconds

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Speaker 1: and just not realize it at all and then swear

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00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: up and down that they were awake the whole time. So, UM,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. It's just worrying to me to to

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Speaker 1: think about this idea that, Um, we have a guy

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Speaker 1: who twenty four hours a day has access to a

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Speaker 1: button that can end the world, and uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: at night he appears to become this different, uh sort

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Speaker 1: of less responsible version, which is tough to become like

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00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 1: more erratic and less responsible. But um, you know this

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Speaker 1: guy who like never sleeps, and I don't know that

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Speaker 1: people have studied that much, these people who only need

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Speaker 1: four hours of sleep at night. But um, I also

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00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: wonder too if he actually has that condition or if

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00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 1: he saw it somewhere and thought that's impressive. He makes

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00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 1: himself only sleep four hours so he can pract about it,

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00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 1: and his body is like raggedly going, what are you

776
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 1: doing to us? Well? Could it could explain like when

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00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,240
Speaker 1: he goes off prompter in speeches and he just starts

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00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 1: doing his trump freestyle jazz. Uh, just like stream of

779
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: consciousness talking like in some fugue state the entire time. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And I mean a lot of people point to different

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Speaker 1: behaviors as being similar to dementia, and lack of sleep

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00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 1: is really connect did to Alzheimer's And it's a like

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00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:08,919
Speaker 1: to uh kind of symbiotic relationship or whatever. The bad

784
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 1: version of symbiotic is where parasitic relationship, where Alzheimer's both

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00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 1: causes and is caused by lack of sleep, and so

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00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 1: it's you know, just a vicious cycle. Uh. So I

787
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,839
Speaker 1: don't know, it's I don't I don't have any solutions

788
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 1: to it, but it's just something I guess to keep

789
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 1: an eye on, like the time stamps on his tweets

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00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, general Kelly, if you're listening, like

791
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 1: I know you do, Uh, maybe just keep an eye

792
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 1: on him. The biggest trump is the lack of compromise

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00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 1: with the sleeping So you don't know what Kelly can

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00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: come in and compromise his sleep better, right, right exactly,

795
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 1: remember anyone who hates his presidency more than him. That's

796
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 1: the thing. It's weird about it, Like, I just I

797
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 1: don't like at this point, I'm like, how bad is

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00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:55,399
Speaker 1: your ego that you just need to stay here because

799
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: you really don't want to be here. You're mad at

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00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 1: everything all the time. It's and the answer is so bad.

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00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 1: His ego is so bad. Riley, thank you so much

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00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 1: for joining us. Thanks for a lot of fun um.

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Speaker 1: Where can people follow you? On Twitter? I am at

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00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 1: Riley J. Silverman And if you go on Facebook, I

805
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 1: have a Facebook page Rally Silverman. And I'm also Raley

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00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 1: Silverman on Instagram. And I am the head writer for

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Speaker 1: a podcast called International Waters on the Maxi Fun Network,

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Speaker 1: and I'm a writer for sci Fi Wires fangirls page awesome.

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Speaker 1: That sounds those all sound wonderful. Uh, Miles, where can

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Speaker 1: people find you? You can find me on Twitter and

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Speaker 1: Instagram at Miles of Gray and you know, shout out

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Speaker 1: to Dan O'Brien corrected me the other day. I said

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Speaker 1: attorney generals, and I yes, I am aware, and it

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Speaker 1: is attorneys general. But in the thick of it, you

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Speaker 1: just you just don't want to say something. My favorite

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Speaker 1: one of those people who get mad when you call

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Speaker 1: it Whopper Juniors instead of Wopper's Junior. And I'm like, Grammer,

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Speaker 1: you shouldn't meaning that is fucking awesome. Um, It's just

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Speaker 1: like attorneys general, is not. It's just fun to say.

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Speaker 1: And so like Grammar, nerds just like to know. And

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Speaker 1: I knew exactly and I know that and I felt

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Speaker 1: small when I got called out. So you won this time, Dawn.

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Speaker 1: You can follow me at Jack Underscore O b r

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Speaker 1: I e n Jack Underscore O'Brien. Uh. You can follow

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Speaker 1: us at the Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram, uh, and you

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Speaker 1: can follow us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. You can

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Speaker 1: uh go to our web page Daily Zeitgeist dot com

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Speaker 1: for some footnotes. We uh some footnotes. That was fun,

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Speaker 1: not bad. Thank you. We just drop me singing that

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Speaker 1: into every episode we have that isolated dropped. Um. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we have links to every fact that we've cited, and

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Speaker 1: we won't have links to the stuff we made up.

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Speaker 1: So that's how you tell the different Uh No, most

834
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Speaker 1: of what we said it's factual. We're we intended it

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Speaker 1: to be. And so you can find all sourcing for

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Speaker 1: all of the factual information we talked about today. Uh,

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Speaker 1: that's going to do it for today. Uh And we'll

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Speaker 1: be back Monday with episode one of season five. Have

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Speaker 1: a great weekend everyone, Bye.