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Speaker 2: Bank of the Giants. Free Agency mode is.

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Speaker 3: Now turned off. Draft mode is turned back on and

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Speaker 3: to get us back into the draft.

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Speaker 2: Is front of the program.

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Speaker 3: Joined us every year to talk some NFL draft Eric

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Speaker 3: at Home, who writes for NFL dot Com. Eric, we

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Speaker 3: are back into draft season here now that free agency

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I am your draft free introduction specialist. I guess

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Speaker 1: that's my role here. So happy to be here. Good

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, I've been patting the caffeine too. I'm with

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Speaker 3: you and we're in a sprint now. I mean, I

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Speaker 3: couldn't believe it when I look down. We're recording this

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Speaker 2: It's four weeks.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's crazy how quickly this thing is going

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Speaker 3: to come. Eric, and pro Day's are going on. Where

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Speaker 3: is your head right now? As free agency happens, all

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Speaker 3: needs change. That's why I hate mock draft before free agency,

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Speaker 3: completely and teams do draft for need, despite what they

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Speaker 3: say in the media. Right, Oh sure, one of your

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right. I mean, just from a sort of

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Speaker 1: somebody sent me one of the APT reports with all

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Speaker 1: But I did focus on free agency. But yeah, I

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Speaker 1: think you're right now. I mean, you talk to teams

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Speaker 1: have to be handled. Some teams have a lot more

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Speaker 1: the franchise guys to be signed whatever. And there's still

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Speaker 1: plenty of stuff happening outside of the draft, but there

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Speaker 1: are plenty that have shifted full you know, headlong into

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, So the Giants are picking at six.

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Speaker 3: Take picture wise, let's kind of set the stage there

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Speaker 3: We'll talk about that too. But there's so many more

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Speaker 3: And then I think four and five are interesting. We

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Speaker 2: Do you think one of those teams is more likely to.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's entirely possible. That's what like, you know, we

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Speaker 1: always say that's when the draft starts, right now, that's

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Speaker 1: I agree. You know, there's been another you know thing

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Speaker 3: All right, So let's talk about all our evaluations and

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Speaker 3: of have JJ McCarthy more in that all right fifteen

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Speaker 3: just give you my little rundown on why Drake May.

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Speaker 3: But I don't think he is the biggest arm right.

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Speaker 2: I just don't think McCarthy is quite the tool set.

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Speaker 3: And toolbox that a guy like may Has and I

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Speaker 3: View those guys. Then I have Pennix as more of

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Speaker 1: We park our cars in similar garages. I think a

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Speaker 1: You know, Pennis, if someone were to take him late

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Speaker 1: You know, he's got the guts, he's sort of the

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Speaker 1: into like Raiders second round. Sure, absolutely. You know you've

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't say that definitively, but I think people are

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Speaker 3: I really is gonna love him to you put him

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Speaker 1: Face of the franchise, right, we hear it all the time,

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Speaker 1: maybe Washington's saying we want culture changers, and we don't

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Speaker 1: think you know, this is just me talking. I don't

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Speaker 1: know what their actual thinking is yet, but we don't

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Speaker 1: think JJ is quite talented enough. But Jaden's got some

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Speaker 1: of those same qualities and he's got the crude matter

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Speaker 1: to kind of make up for it. So it really

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Speaker 1: is one of the more interesting quarterback years we've had

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Speaker 1: in a long time. And this is how you can

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Speaker 1: kind of parse them and break them down, and you know,

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Speaker 3: at Home Eric. So, let's say the quarterbacks are all

447
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Speaker 3: gone by the time the Giants get the six here, right,

448
00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:12,320
Speaker 3: and they have.

449
00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:14,800
Speaker 2: Those two of those three receivers staring at the face.

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Speaker 3: And I think you'd much like with the quarterbacks, you

451
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Speaker 3: talk to ten different teams, you're probably gonna have seven

452
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Speaker 3: or eight different orders of those top three wide receivers.

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Speaker 2: I think all three are top ten worthy.

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Speaker 3: What I like about is that they're a little bit different, right,

455
00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:27,680
Speaker 3: Marvin Harrison is kind of that six to four guy

456
00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,080
Speaker 3: that moves like a six foot guy. Dudes, is more

457
00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:34,000
Speaker 3: of your contested catch guy who doesn't look that fast

458
00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:37,640
Speaker 3: on tape, always separates just enough to make the play.

459
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Speaker 3: And then he tested really, really well. And then you

460
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Speaker 3: have elite neighbors who I'll just summarize it for giant fans.

461
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Speaker 3: Do you remember Odell beckham athleticism when he came out.

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Speaker 2: Guy, that's elite neighbors. It's the same dude, yep.

463
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Speaker 1: And it's hard not to have like the school bias

464
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Speaker 1: when you watch a prospect, right, Like, he reminds me

465
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Speaker 1: of this guy and he ends up about fifty percent

466
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Speaker 1: of the time ends up being a quarterup player at

467
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Speaker 1: that position at that school. I mean, but that was

468
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Speaker 1: what I was thinking when I watched him, the way

469
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Speaker 1: he can kind of sink his hips after the catch

470
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Speaker 1: and you know, really get into that that yack mode

471
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Speaker 1: immediately and fluidity and body control. You know, concentration drops

472
00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,520
Speaker 1: are a thing. They're they're not huge in his game,

473
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Speaker 1: but they're part of it too. And Odell had that

474
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Speaker 1: same thing as well, And so yeah, I mean it's

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's exactly the same guy, but there's

476
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Speaker 1: so much overlap it's hard not to think that way.

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Speaker 1: And you know, obviously if you think, well Odell hasn't

478
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Speaker 1: been that great recently, but no prime Odell, and of

479
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Speaker 1: course Giants fans remember it very well, was a different

480
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Speaker 1: beast than I think. This guy is going to be

481
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Speaker 1: very similar to that. You know, he sees just a

482
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Speaker 1: blast to watch. And I've gone back and forth, like

483
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Speaker 1: do I like him more than Marvin Harrison Junior? But

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Speaker 1: when you watch Marvin, as you put it, you know,

485
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Speaker 1: a six or four guy who moves the way you'd

486
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Speaker 1: expect a six foot guy to move. I think that's

487
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Speaker 1: a pretty good way to frame it. Body control. If

488
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Speaker 1: he had a more accurate quarterback. I mean, Cord wasn't

489
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Speaker 1: terrible last year, but he wasn't great. He wasn't elevating

490
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Speaker 1: his game. It was a lot more evident when you

491
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Speaker 1: saw him with CJ. And so yeah, I mean there's

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Speaker 1: there's special no doubt if his last name was Johnson

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Speaker 1: or Smith or Peters or whatever, I would still love

494
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Speaker 1: him as a prospect. This isn't anything to do with

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Speaker 1: his dad. But you know, it's hard not to tell

496
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Speaker 1: that football's in his DNA, it's in his blood. He

497
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Speaker 1: looks like a natural out there. I wish he was

498
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Speaker 1: a little more dominant. I wish he was a would

499
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Speaker 1: take over games more often, but again some of that

500
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Speaker 1: was dictated by coverage and things like that. So, you know,

501
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Speaker 1: a Duneesa has always been one of my favorites because

502
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Speaker 1: he's so smooth and just such a like a cool

503
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Speaker 1: customer out there, and like, like you said, that late

504
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Speaker 1: separation too, where you think he's running even with the

505
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Speaker 1: corner and the last second, he just kind of adds

506
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Speaker 1: that extra juice. Watch the Oregon game, Watch the oh

507
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Speaker 1: I think it was the Washington State game too, where

508
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:01,320
Speaker 1: he made some spectacular plays. You thought, you know, how

509
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Speaker 1: does he get that late separation, And it really does

510
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 1: come down to subtle route running, like he'll be running

511
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Speaker 1: it eighty five ninety percent and then he just gives

512
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Speaker 1: that extra little kick at the end. Body control, natural athleticism,

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Speaker 1: He's got it all. Like when I said, you know,

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Speaker 1: he was one of the best athletes in the draft,

515
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Speaker 1: I didn't mean that he was the most explosive, but

516
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Speaker 1: like you're playing pickup basketball, you'd pick roma Dunes if

517
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Speaker 1: you're doing any other sport that required, you know, non football,

518
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Speaker 1: you'd take him. And I just think he's got that

519
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Speaker 1: kind of you know, I don't know that he'll be.

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Speaker 1: He might be like a more flashy Keenan Allen's kind

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Speaker 1: of what I've been, you know, comparing him to.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think someone I think was Dan Jeremiah had

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Speaker 3: a Liary Fitzgerald com for him, and I thought that

524
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Speaker 3: I couldn't go that big.

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Speaker 1: But but but Dan is better. I mean, yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: Daniel's the man so like I will never question his

527
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Speaker 1: but yes, I see, I see exactly what he's saying though.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the size, not the over wall athleticism, but he

529
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Speaker 3: just knows how to get open.

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Speaker 2: I'm with you on that.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 3: All right, other top ten worthy players? Give me any

533
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Speaker 3: other guys besides the quarterbacks and receivers you mentioned that

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Speaker 3: you think are worth the bang for your buck simply

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Speaker 3: based on great and evaluation and what you're hearing around

536
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Speaker 3: the league. For the Giants at six, what are the

537
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Speaker 3: players should they be considering them?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Joe Alt is terrific and I and

539
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Speaker 1: you know, I mean you saw it the last two

540
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,919
Speaker 1: years at left tackle and it was funny. I just

541
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Speaker 1: for a laugh. I went back and watched some of

542
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Speaker 1: his freshman tape and this is a kid who played

543
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Speaker 1: tight end in high school was thrown in their midway,

544
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Speaker 1: you know, not even midway. It was like kind of

545
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Speaker 1: early in his freshman year. They had had four injuries

546
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Speaker 1: in that position. They threw this kid in there. Yes,

547
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Speaker 1: son of a you know, twelve year pro for the Chiefs,

548
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Speaker 1: but somebody hadn't really played offensive line much and a

549
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 1: couple of little struggles here and there. But but boy,

550
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Speaker 1: he figured it out fast. And that's just something that

551
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:54,919
Speaker 1: there was like a Joe Thomas quality to him that

552
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Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, natural understands leverage, doesn't play over

553
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,159
Speaker 1: his skis, always feels in control, like even if you

554
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 1: blast them with power, he can kind of root down

555
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 1: and really do a good job for a big guy too, especially,

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Speaker 1: so love him in the top ten. I feel like

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Speaker 1: he's a safe pick there. You know, I think there

558
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 1: are a couple offensive linemen other than him that I

559
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Speaker 1: would consider in the top ten. But it's a little

560
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Speaker 1: bit of a you know, there's there's still some of

561
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Speaker 1: a enough questions with some of these guys, like a

562
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Speaker 1: Marius Vims. I wouldn't just because I feel like they

563
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 1: haven't seen enough of them. Olufushano, I'm not quite as

564
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:35,719
Speaker 1: high on him as other people are, but I wouldn't

565
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Speaker 1: kill anybody for taking him at the end of the

566
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Speaker 1: top ten.

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Speaker 3: Dirk Bashian, though, is I want to talk to him.

568
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 3: I want to fall up on fashion because he's interesting

569
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Speaker 3: to me. You watch him in pass pro. He looks

570
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,640
Speaker 3: like a three hundred and twenty pound ballerina, like feet

571
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 3: are awesome. But then in the run game, I know

572
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,919
Speaker 3: people talk about his strength. That's not the concern for me.

573
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 3: The dudes on the ground all the time run blocking

574
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Speaker 3: like he doesn't have. I've never heard of a three

575
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Speaker 3: hundred and twenty pound guy that has better balanced moved

576
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 3: backwards that he does moving forwards. It's it's it's very

577
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 3: weird to see on tape. For me, I can't quite

578
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Speaker 3: figure it out.

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Speaker 1: I haven't. I haven't loved him. I mean i've I've

580
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Speaker 1: I again, I get why people you know, and last

581
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,719
Speaker 1: year was was maybe a little bit better. I had

582
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 1: heard some people sort of suggesting, Hey, maybe he was

583
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 1: kind of protecting himself a little bit this year not

584
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: try not to get hurt. But the point that you made,

585
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 1: which is that the lack of stout power in the

586
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,159
Speaker 1: run game, I think it's going to hurt him. It

587
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 1: feels like he has It's not a motor issue necessarily,

588
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,919
Speaker 1: but he doesn't generate a lot of juice off the

589
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,919
Speaker 1: snap going forward. And that's you know, and that's just

590
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,880
Speaker 1: like that's gonna hold me back. It's gonna be I'm

591
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Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna say, hey, look for past heavy teams.

592
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 1: You know that that that do a lot of short

593
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 1: setting and stuff like that. You know that he could

594
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,919
Speaker 1: be terrific for him. But you know, if I'm on

595
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,640
Speaker 1: a team that is is Pittsburgh or something like that,

596
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Speaker 1: I don't see how they can take him, you know

597
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,160
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like just using that as an example,

598
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Speaker 1: but I mean, the question is how many defenders are

599
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Speaker 1: worth taking in the top ten? And the names I've

600
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 1: heard are like Dallas Turner, Terry and Arnold Quinnon, Mitchell.

601
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Speaker 1: You know, so a couple of corners, a couple of

602
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Speaker 1: pass rushers, maybe Jared Verse. I don't know that i'd

603
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 1: go that high on him. I think he's a solid player.

604
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Speaker 1: I don't know if he's a great one. I agree,

605
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Speaker 1: and then brock Bauers is like, the how high do

606
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 1: you rate that position in terms of importance? And are

607
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 1: you willing to say he's just a playmaker? Like when

608
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 1: I asked Brandon being about taking the Dalton Kinkaiden round

609
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: one last year, I said, you know, how did you

610
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 1: sort of view that, especially with a tight end on

611
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: board already? And he said, we looked for playmakers. And

612
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Speaker 1: I think that's going to be the quote that whatever

613
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 1: team drafts brock Bauer is going to say, we're not

614
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 1: worried about the position. We want a player who can

615
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 1: consistently gain yards after the catch, and that's what he does.

616
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Speaker 1: So is that top ten I don't know. I still

617
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 1: haven't got a great feel for that. So I mean

618
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: there's still some great players out there after that point,

619
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Speaker 1: but obviously with the quarterbacks gone and maybe a couple

620
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 1: of those receivers, it does, you know, take a little

621
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Speaker 1: of the bite out of that top end talent.

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Speaker 3: He's one of the best run after catch tight ends

623
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Speaker 3: I've ever seen. After the spectacular really good players, doesn't

624
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Speaker 3: matter when the team wants to pull the trigger on

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Speaker 3: I'm with you, all right, folks.

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Speaker 3: All right, Eric, let's touch on a couple of things

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Speaker 3: here in general with this draft lass you already mentioned it.

635
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Speaker 3: It's a great class for some premium positions. How many

636
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Speaker 3: offensive tackles do you think end up going in the

637
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 3: first round. I think it could be as many as eight.

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Speaker 3: I'm counting Batanu from Washington as a tackle. Why wouldn't

639
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Speaker 3: you put him tackle the way he measured and tested?

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Speaker 2: Uh?

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Speaker 3: And then we'll talk about the wide receivers after that.

642
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Speaker 3: But and any of those tackles in that first round

643
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Speaker 3: conversation you maybe particularly like more than somebody else.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I wish we'd seen a little bit more from j. C. Latham,

645
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Speaker 1: But he's going to go in the you know, in

646
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: the first So he's a top twenty pick. Alt I

647
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 1: already mentioned, uh Fuaga would have to be three. Fatanu,

648
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 1: as you mentioned, I love him. He's my sixteenth or

649
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: seventeenth overall player. I'd be stunned if he wasn't a

650
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 1: top twenty five pick. Mims I think gets in, Uh

651
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 1: Tyler Geiton, I think gets in both guys based on potential.

652
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 1: We did see Guyton down at the Senior Bowl have

653
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 1: some nice moments down there, Fashanu as well. So we're

654
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 1: up to seven and then I guess the question would be,

655
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: am I missing somebody? Is there an obvious one? I'm

656
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 1: missing Jordan Morgan and.

657
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 3: I think would be the probably the next two guys.

658
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 3: Was the next one you said, Kingsley Sua Matiya.

659
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 1: Oh yes, sorry, Yes, he could be. You know, I

660
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 1: think there's a team like I could see the Chiefs

661
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: taking him at the end a round one. That wouldn't

662
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 1: shock me whatsoever. He's another player that you look at

663
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: and you're expecting, like, wow, he's so big, I'm going

664
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 1: to see him throw some guys around. That's not really

665
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 1: his game. I mean, he's he's sort of a dancing

666
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: bear type almost you know so, but interesting player, former

667
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 1: five star recruit. I mean plenty to like about him.

668
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: He's borderline for me. First round, I don't really know

669
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 1: if Yeah, but but you know, do we get some centers?

670
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: You know what does Graham Barton make it as a

671
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: tackle or center? Uh? You know does? I don't think

672
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 1: Zach Fraser with the injury not being able to work

673
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 1: out that it's a little bit of a reach. Maybe.

674
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: But Cooper Beebe, Jackson, Powers Johnson, I mean, Jordan Morgan

675
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: I think could be a guard on some teams list,

676
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:44,239
Speaker 1: but still played a lot of tackle at Arizona. So

677
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, what do you set the O line

678
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 1: number at eight and a half nine, nine.

679
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 2: And a half?

680
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 1: I think crazy, It's it's not it really could be

681
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: almost one third of the of the first round.

682
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 3: It's funny for me for the wide receivers, Eric, I

683
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 3: feel like, in like the old draft community, Brian Thomas

684
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 3: Junior has kind of taken that number four wide receiver

685
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 3: spot for me.

686
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 2: I don't think it's that close.

687
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 3: I honestly probably have when all of a sudden done

688
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 3: Evdie Mitchell as my fourth wide.

689
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 1: Receiver'll see it. Yep.

690
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 3: Your thoughts on when that fourth wide receiver is going

691
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 3: to go assuming those top three guys go in the

692
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 3: top ten or eleven, when does that fourth guy go off?

693
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 3: The board, and who do you think is really in

694
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 3: the mix for that fourth spot.

695
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I suppose it depends on a couple of teams

696
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: up high who could trade down, like, for instance, the

697
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: Chargers just like oh and Mike Williams just traded Keenan Allen.

698
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: Certainly they could use some help there. They have what

699
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 1: Joshua Palmer and you know, the TCU kid, a few others,

700
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 1: but not much. I mean, they could use some more

701
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 1: help there. How far down are they moving from from

702
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 1: number five? Likewise, Cardinals, you know they just got they

703
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: moved on from from Rondale, could use Hollywood as well,

704
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: So they certainly could use another receiver. That's why everyone's

705
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: assuming that if they stay at four, they're taken Marvin.

706
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: But you know what happens if they moved down quite

707
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 1: a bit to like the Minnesota picks or something. So

708
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: you know what if Denver strikes, I don't know if

709
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 1: that's a good one, because they think they still probably

710
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: have enough there. But you know, the Saints losing Michael Thomas,

711
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 1: they're kind of sitting at number fourteen. I mean, they've

712
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 1: they've gone i think defensive players the last couple of

713
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: years in the reun No, I guess they did take

714
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 1: the tackle two years ago.

715
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 3: But how about the Speelers they traded Deontay Johnson. That's

716
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 3: another team that could use a second receiver.

717
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 1: Right, Absolutely, Colts they need playmakers, you know, whether it's Bowers, Thomas, Mitchell,

718
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 1: somebody like that, right, I mean, I think they are

719
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: happy with Josh Downs. They just resigned Pittman. But the

720
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: whole idea is they want to surround Richardson with as

721
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 1: many options as possible. So yeah, we kind of look

722
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: in that. You know, I would say eight to sixteen

723
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 1: range at Seahawks aren't taking one obviously after all the

724
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: receivers they've had recently. But yeah, I mean even Jacksonville.

725
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: I know everyone has some peg for a corner, but

726
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: you know you lose Ridley and is there a two

727
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: kind of separator game number, you know, number one type

728
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: guy there, and they're they're I think it's somewhere in

729
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 1: that that that early to mid teen range that we

730
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,399
Speaker 1: see that fourth one come off. And like you said,

731
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 1: with with Mitchell and Thomas, I wouldn't be shocked if

732
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: they're like back to back picks are very close. Somewhere

733
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,280
Speaker 1: in round one, you're ready for a change.

734
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 4: Pay Day comes early with citizens, so go to that retreat.

735
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 4: Knew you moves to the country. Now you're raising goats

736
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 4: and launching a lifestyle brand. Are you ready for all

737
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 4: that life brings?

738
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 3: And as good as wide receiver classes at the top?

739
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 3: Eric Round two and three, much like the first round

740
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 3: is gonna be dominated by offensive tackles, Rounds two and

741
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:47,879
Speaker 3: three are gonna be dominated by wide receivers. We could

742
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 3: see a dozen, I think go in those two rounds.

743
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 3: So many good players, different shape sizes and skill sets too,

744
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 3: that you can just plug and play and I think

745
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 3: feel really good about it. Uh, you can comment on

746
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 3: that and then any other positions you really like on

747
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 3: day two.

748
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: In terms of depth, yeah, everyone from Roman Wilson, Malachai

749
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 1: Corley has some debo like qualities. Javon Baker's an interesting player.

750
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 1: I didn't love him at first, but the more I

751
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: kind of drilled down on him, I could see some

752
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: talent there. You know obviously, Xavier Worthy, you know blew Out.

753
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 1: I don't know that he's going round one. I think

754
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,359
Speaker 1: he's more likely an early round two pick. You mentioned

755
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: Devontes Walker somewhere on Day two he's going boy Keon Coleman.

756
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: You know, didn't test great, but when you watch him,

757
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 1: I mean, he's a bulldog, he's a fighter out there.

758
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 1: I like his game to a degree, you know, I

759
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:39,800
Speaker 1: think he has his limitations. But Troy Franklin too fast, guy, slim,

760
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: kind of the Jalen Hyatt sort of mold a little bit.

761
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 1: But you know, if you're a team like the Giants

762
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: and you have all these these shiny objects staring in

763
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 1: the face high in round one, you do have to

764
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: remember you can get a pretty good but you know,

765
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 1: maybe not that, but eighty five percent of that in

766
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: round two or three. So that's the debate that's going

767
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: to have to come up in war rooms and say,

768
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 1: you know, if we take a receiver, is there going

769
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: to be another position that's anywhere near as good as

770
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: the receivers that'll be there. That's kind of the debate

771
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:11,720
Speaker 1: of this draft.

772
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 2: What other position groups do you like? Depthewise? On Day two,

773
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 2: I think guard.

774
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: Is better than people think are interior offensive lineman, I

775
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: should say I I really do. And honestly everyone pans

776
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: this this tight end group and this linebacker group. But

777
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:28,839
Speaker 1: the more I've watched it, the more serviceable players there are.

778
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: So I don't think there are really many difference makers

779
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: or stars at those spots other than you know, the

780
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: top one or two. But I think there's some solid,

781
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 1: you know, sort of reserves and whatnot. But safety I

782
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,839
Speaker 1: haven't loved, but I've been able to find a couple

783
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 1: of guys so I think are pretty decent, like you know,

784
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: the kid from Texas Tech with the hyphenated name. I'm

785
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 1: just blanking right now, Yeah, yes, and also Cole Bishop

786
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: and a few others that I think.

787
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 3: I love Cole Bishop at the Senior Bowl Man, he

788
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 3: was maybe the best covered safety there.

789
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 2: He was great.

790
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: He flips his hips really nicely. I mean he's not

791
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 1: fast fast, but he runs well. I mean, you know,

792
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,280
Speaker 1: he's he's a good player. He can do a lot worse.

793
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 1: And he's what I wanted Ashton Davis to be when

794
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: he you know, like the Jets took him in round

795
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 1: three or whatever. But yeah, I would say d tackle

796
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,720
Speaker 1: doesn't get me quite as excited as as I would

797
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: I want it to be. But a corner's pretty good. Again,

798
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: It's like, I don't know, there are some guys I'm

799
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,439
Speaker 1: a little bit conflicted on I think Mitchell's gonna really

800
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 1: do well. I think he'll be a nice player. Arnold,

801
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 1: I see the upside, also see the potential for struggles

802
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 1: early in his career. I wouldn't be shocked if he

803
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 1: gets picked on a little bit. Nate Wiggins is he's

804
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,359
Speaker 1: almost like the AJ Terrell thing. It's like I tucked

805
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 1: myself out of Ajterrell coming out and I regretted it.

806
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: So but body wise he's very similar Tommanuel Forbes last year.

807
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,800
Speaker 1: So that scares me a little bit. Uh kool Aid's

808
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:07,879
Speaker 1: really solid player. I kind of like him. I think

809
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 1: he's I think he's a good player. I don't know

810
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 1: that he'll ever be a star, but I think he'll

811
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,919
Speaker 1: be good. I agree Cooper, you know, de Jean's really good,

812
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:16,959
Speaker 1: talented player. We haven't seen him play in a while.

813
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 1: That's going to hurt him a little, I think. And

814
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: it's Rake Straw the same thing. Injuries. You know it

815
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 1: was better. I mean I was kind of on the

816
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: DJ James sort of track for a while. Is like

817
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 1: the underrated corner. But I think Bernardo Green and maybe

818
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: the other one lasted or two I would say, is

819
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: like the why aren't these guys getting a little you know,

820
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: Kamari Lassiter from Georgia. I would say they should be

821
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 1: kind of talked about, just below those those top guys.

822
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 1: I think, so it's not bad. Max Melton too is

823
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 1: another guy I really love. I think he's he's going

824
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 1: to be a very nice player, so pretty good.

825
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think that could be a spot that

826
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 3: the Giants can need some help there on.

827
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: Yes to Melton would be a nice pick for them. Yep.

828
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they could use slot or outside.

829
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 3: To be honest with you, so that'll give me an yep,

830
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 3: two more before we let you go, ark, you've been great, fantastic.

831
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 2: When does the first running back go? Do you think?

832
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 2: And who do you think it is?

833
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: Yeah? Good question, gotta be I kind of would be

834
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 1: surprised if it was. I wouldn't be shocked if we

835
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 1: go fifty picks without a running back, you know, like,

836
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 1: could you pull the trigger on on Jonathan Brooks saying like, yeah,

837
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 1: he would have been a first had he had he

838
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 1: played the whole year and not suffered the knee. Yeah,

839
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 1: I think you might be able to say that, So

840
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 1: that would maybe tempt a team at some point. But

841
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:42,439
Speaker 1: after this free agency period with as many big sort

842
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: of you know, Josh Jacobs and Derrick Henry and all

843
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,320
Speaker 1: these guys changing teams.

844
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 3: And dude, even Joe Mixon and Aaron Jones, nobody thought

845
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 3: was gonna change teams.

846
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 2: They changed teams.

847
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 1: Joe Mixon was traded, he was allowed to keep his salary,

848
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. That was like a you.

849
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 2: Know, extended him by the way, which I was like, what.

850
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,320
Speaker 1: So they clearly like him. And you know, I've always

851
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 1: said the league cycles back the other way. But at

852
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 1: the same time, free agency often dictates what is or

853
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: is not going to happen in the draft, and I

854
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 1: think that applies to running back. So so I'll say

855
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 1: somewhere in round two, you know, like a team like

856
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 1: the Bengals are Chargers or something. I could see Cowboys Cowboys,

857
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: I forgot about them. Good good call there. Yeah, I

858
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 1: mean I think there's Jalen Wright worked out really well.

859
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,439
Speaker 1: I'm still a trade Benson guy. I think he's really good.

860
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 1: Let me think if there's anybody else.

861
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 2: Can still go first with the knee, Yeah, Brooks.

862
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 1: Has the best chance. I think it be a RB

863
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: one if I had guess, even with the injury, I

864
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 1: think people still sort of respect what he's done. Right,

865
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: is a potential upside guy. For sure, He's got the juice.

866
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 1: I don't know if the run instincts are quite as

867
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: good as is either Brooks for Benson, though Marshawn Lloyd

868
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: has got a little bit of buzz. And obviously Caleb's

869
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 1: pro day he was catching balls and whatnot, and he's

870
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 1: got a little not quite DeAndre Swift, but that sort

871
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 1: of guy I would say that vibe.

872
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 2: So he has a lot of juice. I'm not sure

873
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 2: about the vision and the instincts though, you know.

874
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: I agree that's the hardest. That was the question about

875
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 1: Swift before too, is like he'd run in the back

876
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 1: of his blockers and you know, he'd make this explosive

877
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: plays and then you know, kind of make a poor

878
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: decision on stuff, and so there's always this little frustration

879
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: factor're watching him like, just.

880
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 2: Good comp Nah. I think you're right. I think it's

881
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:35,959
Speaker 2: a great comp.

882
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's some overlap there, but also a player got

883
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: eight million dollars at a supposedly depressed positions, so there's

884
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 1: there's a need for that.

885
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 3: Absolutely A right final question, Eric, can you mention this?

886
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 3: I think in the answer to the first question I

887
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:51,240
Speaker 3: asked you, when does the draft ball off a cliff?

888
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 3: You know, with nil deals the COVID year, there are

889
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 3: six and you know, I think there are a couple

890
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 3: of seven year players are going to be in college

891
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 3: football next year with the short and then you get

892
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 3: the extra year from the COVID year. When does that

893
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 3: drop off happen? Is it end of the fourth round?

894
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 3: Is the middle of the fifth round? When do we

895
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:11,439
Speaker 3: see this talent simply take a huge plunge where you're

896
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 3: then basically looking at your priority free agent lists and

897
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 3: you have to draft them in like round six.

898
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: Right, sub board stuff. That's when you see teams trade

899
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 1: out and move into the next year if they can.

900
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: And yeah, I don't know exactly where it is, and

901
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 1: it's gonna be different for different positions, like you know, safety,

902
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 1: to me, there may be like nine worth taking a

903
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 1: pick on. I mean, I know that the SAME's harsh,

904
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: but like, I just don't think the depth is there.

905
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 1: Running back, boy, I would take the route of after

906
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 1: the top four or five guys. I don't know that

907
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 1: I would. There aren't too many backs I spend a

908
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 1: pick on. That's just my personal philosophy, but you know,

909
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: I do think the drop off is evident there. It's

910
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,359
Speaker 1: also evident offensive tackle too. I don't care what anyone says,

911
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 1: like after a certain point, I'm not interested. And maybe

912
00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 1: that happens at that position before round four, like where

913
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: you know, and then certain positions may last a little longer.

914
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: You know, we're not gonna see many backs or linebackers

915
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,720
Speaker 1: or safeties drafted, so that'll that'll kick it back a little.

916
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, I receivers deep, quarterback is deep.

917
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 1: You know, there's a corner could be okay, offensive line

918
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: good after that, though, I think there's a there are

919
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 1: certain positions we're just gonna be. So maybe fifth round

920
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 1: is where it starts getting a little lean at certain spots.

921
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 3: We're now within a month of the draft, so I

922
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 3: feel comfortable asking this question to people at the end

923
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 3: of all of our podcast, what did the Giants pick

924
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 3: at six?

925
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 1: Eric, I think they're taking the league neighbors. I just

926
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 1: and it has nothing to do with Odell I really,

927
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,399
Speaker 1: I mean, like, I just think I don't think Joe

928
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:47,359
Speaker 1: cares like you know what I mean, Like, I think

929
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 1: he is, what's the best player, And and yes, I

930
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 1: think the quarterback temptation will be there. I think you

931
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: could make the case for an O lineman or a

932
00:43:56,160 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 1: different receiver depending on who's available. But man, I just

933
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:03,879
Speaker 1: there's I don't know. I keep feeling like, boy, that's

934
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 1: a good fit. You know you would have high you

935
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 1: resign Hodgens, you have him, you know you're going to

936
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 1: have to throw the ball and see what Dale can do.

937
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 1: And I know Drew's there, and it's it's a weird situation,

938
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: but the best way to evaluate a quarterback is to

939
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 1: give him a receiver. And if they're going to have

940
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 1: to make a call on him, and this is the

941
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 1: drop down season, like we got to know, give him

942
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 1: something to work with, and I think it'll it'll help

943
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 1: make that evaluation a lot easier.

944
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 3: And the idea of training up for a quarterback was

945
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 3: you kind of just reference that a little bit.

946
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 2: The temptation will be there.

947
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 3: It does give the Giants an advantage if they do

948
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 3: decide to do it. They're picking sixth right, so a

949
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,919
Speaker 3: team that still wants to get a premium player, it'll

950
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 3: help them. For other teams maybe that have more a

951
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 3: priority of stockpiling picks, maybe that hurts the Giants, right,

952
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 3: because you're not going to get as high of a

953
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 3: volume of picks because you're going to get six to

954
00:44:55,640 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 3: overall in that return package. So which one of those teams, Cardinals, Chargers,

955
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 3: and Patriots, you think sticking at six and staying that

956
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 3: high in the draft would be the most valuable to

957
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 3: them rather than maybe stockpiling a couple extra Day two picks,

958
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 3: rather than staying in that top ten.

959
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great question. That's a good way to

960
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: frame it too, because I think New England I could

961
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: see them moving down the farthest of that group, Arizona

962
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 1: maybe two again, you know, because they're not Yes, they

963
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 1: would love a receiver. I think they'll absolutely draft one,

964
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: if not too but you know, we know they're not

965
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:33,879
Speaker 1: taking a quarterback right now. Maybe a year from now

966
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: that that changes, but you know, they would they would

967
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: probably willing to move down a healthy amount like Minnesota. Obviously,

968
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 1: they're the kind of the team with the two first

969
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: now that everybody you know, eleven and what twenty three?

970
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 1: I guess, So yeah, I mean, I'm trying to I

971
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 1: don't think the Chargers are interested in moving out of

972
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 1: the top twenty, but I wouldn't be shocked if they

973
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: moved into the team, and so you know, I guess

974
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think who would be the natural spot.

975
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 3: It is to me, I think the Chargers want to

976
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,840
Speaker 3: right tackle right, so I think getting into that teens

977
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 3: area for them would be like ideal because thats when

978
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 3: you're gonna have these choice that would have their choice

979
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 3: of three or four different guys. So I think that

980
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,359
Speaker 3: kind of makes sense for the Chargers. I'm I worry

981
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 3: about the Cardinals because I do think that they're gonna

982
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 3: want to get one of those kind of elite receivers.

983
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 2: So maybe that's the team.

984
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:28,839
Speaker 3: And if New England, I'm kind of with you if

985
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 3: they pass on a quarterback, that tells me, all right,

986
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 3: long term rebuild vision, they'd probably want a stockpile, you

987
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 3: know what I mean.

988
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 1: They could be a double dip team too though, so

989
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: that can put them in play for New York and

990
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 1: then somebody else. Again, who's to say that that. I

991
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 1: understand you trade up for quarterbacks usually, but who's to

992
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: say that, Like what if there's a freaky scenario where

993
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison Junior is there at the six pick, like

994
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 1: like New England and the Giants swap and they're not

995
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 1: interested in drafting a receiver with no one you know

996
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 1: what I mean?

997
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 3: Trade with the Jets, Eric, What did that be fun

998
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 3: if the Jets moved up to six to try to

999
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 3: get Because that's one thing I could see like that,

1000
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,320
Speaker 3: that's the win now team. I could see the Jets

1001
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 3: trying to make that little jump to grab one of

1002
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 3: those top three whiteouts.

1003
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 1: You're starting to see more divisional interdivisional trades the old school,

1004
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 1: Like in Ron Wolf's Stay, than every would have done

1005
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 1: it right, But in Elliott Wolf's Stay they would, So

1006
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 1: I think that makes sense. You saw the Lions and

1007
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 1: Vikings make a trade last you know, last year. You

1008
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 1: know there are other examples of it. I think the

1009
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,479
Speaker 1: Jets and Patriots have gone a long time without making

1010
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,439
Speaker 1: a deal. But yeah, I'm all for it. I love

1011
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:42,800
Speaker 1: when the have fields played with the McCoy's.

1012
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 3: Belichick's not there anymore, so maybe it can be a

1013
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 3: little glass nose between the uh.

1014
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 1: Between.

1015
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 2: You can see it.

1016
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 1: I love it. I love Eric.

1017
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 3: All Right, before we think about it, just tell everybody

1018
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 3: what's your up do? What what they should check out

1019
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 3: your Twitter and all that other good stuff.

1020
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 1: Just posted a top hun list. I think last week

1021
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:03,800
Speaker 1: or the week before. I gotta remember now, yeah, exactly,

1022
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 1: everything blends together. But I've got a uh two weeks ago,

1023
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 1: I guess from the time you're gonna air this, And

1024
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 1: I've got a mock draft coming out this week, so'll

1025
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 1: be sure to check that out. I'll be nice and

1026
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 1: kind and warm and friendly to the Giants there, and

1027
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 1: uh yeah. Then we kind of get into April and

1028
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:21,320
Speaker 1: it's uh, it's a full sprint to the finish.

1029
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,959
Speaker 3: Eric, always a pleasure to talk to you. Always fund

1030
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,240
Speaker 3: seeing you at all these events in the offseason. Enjoy

1031
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 3: the sprint, and we'll be following all your work at

1032
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 3: NFL dot com.

1033
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 1: Thanks so much seeing Detroit.

1034
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 3: Take it easy, Eric, get hold NFL dot com check

1035
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 3: out always work. Thanks for joining us on the Giants

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00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,040
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1037
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Speaker 3: of the Giants.

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Speaker 2: We will see you next time. Everybody,