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Speaker 1: This is Alec Baldwin and you're listening to Here's the Thing,

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Speaker 1: and I feel that got here before, that I did

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Speaker 1: year before, and you know, it makes me wonder what's

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Speaker 1: going on? C S N and sometimes why. Some combination

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Speaker 1: of David Crosby, Stephen Stills and Graham Nash played together

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Speaker 1: for fifty years until two thousand sixteen, but always Crosby.

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Speaker 1: He's the constant in some of the greatest songs of

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Speaker 1: the twentieth century. His composition, harmonizing and non traditional guitar

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Speaker 1: tunings helped create the sound of the sixties and seventies.

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Speaker 1: It's a sound he honed with his first big act,

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Speaker 1: The Birds, turning counterculture anthems like Dylan's Tambourine Man into

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Speaker 1: mainstream hits. David Crosby is famous too for his addiction

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Speaker 1: to cocaine and heroin in the nineteen eighties. It almost

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Speaker 1: killed him, but even in his darkest moments, Crosby always

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Speaker 1: had people pulling him up, even some of the biggest

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Speaker 1: stars of the era. All Right, I am in the

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Speaker 1: middle of my lowest point of being a complete wasteerl

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Speaker 1: on hard drugs. Right, it's a bit of my phone rings. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: who's this. It's Townsend? I said, bullshit. He says, no,

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Speaker 1: it's Townsend. Listen, get off that stuff. Get the off

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Speaker 1: that stuff after watch the four letter words right now

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Speaker 1: you can let it rip. He really your podcasting, and

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Speaker 1: so he says, you know, fucking get your ship, you gotta.

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Speaker 1: You're fucking up, glad, quit that ship in my face.

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Speaker 1: Really seriously, I was like, who the fun my number?

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Speaker 1: I still haven't deciphered how this all happened. Well, it

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Speaker 1: made him think it would work working everybody else had failed.

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Speaker 1: Somebody put him up to it. I'm not sure work. No, No,

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Speaker 1: what worked was they sent me to prison in Texas

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Speaker 1: for a year. That worked. So that's what That was

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Speaker 1: a turning point for you. Yeah, it got me sober,

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Speaker 1: and you were largely or you were completely sober since then.

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Speaker 1: I was completely sober for fourteen and a half years.

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Speaker 1: Uh what happened with the prison? What year you were?

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Speaker 1: How old? I was born in forty and I was

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Speaker 1: deeply addicted and the only had already tried uh in

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Speaker 1: you know rehab places moment I think four or five

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Speaker 1: times failed. Ah, so the prison did it? You know?

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Speaker 1: Junk and free base, that's that's a prison you carry

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Speaker 1: around with you. You don't get to get out prison.

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Speaker 1: You get to get out, and I don't regret it

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Speaker 1: a bit. How were you treated by the inmate population

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Speaker 1: when you're imprisoned with a kind to you? Did they

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Speaker 1: dig you and admire you? A full range went all

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Speaker 1: the way from uh, I like your music man to

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Speaker 1: uh hey, rock star? How are you doing now? I

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Speaker 1: bet you wish you had some drugs, don't you? Hey? Ron?

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Speaker 1: Look over here, rock Star throwing up again? Some bit

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Speaker 1: was Texas and they didn't give me an aspect. They

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Speaker 1: didn't even have a meetings in the prison. And not

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Speaker 1: that you had no help at always crawled out of

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Speaker 1: there was bitter. It was bitter. But I woke up.

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Speaker 1: When you get out of prison, what do you do well? Like?

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Speaker 1: Like who comes around you? People come to you and

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Speaker 1: say let's get back to work? Or what's that like?

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Speaker 1: As soon as I woke up, I started writing again.

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Speaker 1: I'm a hugely lucky human being. Now I have a reason.

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Speaker 1: Here's a fact about writing and creating and drugs. The

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Speaker 1: more drugs I did, the less I wrote. And you

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Speaker 1: can plot the two curves and they crossed at a

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Speaker 1: certain point, you know, and I just kept the more

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Speaker 1: drugs identically stopped writing. And then about two years went by,

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Speaker 1: and then I woke up in prison remember who I was,

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Speaker 1: and started writing again. And since then it's been a

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Speaker 1: steady increase in a steady increase in quality. So I

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Speaker 1: can only draw one conclusion. Now this is gonna sound strange,

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Speaker 1: but you come from a nice family, were comfy, and

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Speaker 1: rich uncle. My dad was a cinematographer and a very

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I thought I wanted to be an actor.

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Speaker 1: You know what's really funny, man, most of the actors

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Speaker 1: I don't want to be musicians, And all the musicians

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Speaker 1: I know, because no matter what you're doing, you can

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Speaker 1: be doing anything, and music can be in your left

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Speaker 1: and therefore music will always have a more powerful place

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Speaker 1: in the lives of people than any film or TV.

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Speaker 1: Any debatable, but I think you got a lot of

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Speaker 1: evidence on your side there. Music. The way I look

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Speaker 1: at it, music all art can be and usually is

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Speaker 1: a lifting force, just as war drags humanity down and

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Speaker 1: makes brings out the very worst in US. So music

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Speaker 1: and art lift they're lifting force. They make things better,

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Speaker 1: and so I I kind of think, I kind of

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Speaker 1: think I'm probably the luckiest guy in the world. I

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Speaker 1: think I've got probably one of the best jobs. I

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Speaker 1: tried to acting. I'm not really good at it. You know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know why you'd want to act. If I

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Speaker 1: play music if I could do what you do. It's

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Speaker 1: when I went to go see The Beatles Love. I

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Speaker 1: go to Vegas to go to see the Circus. So

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Speaker 1: the The Beatles Love, and what kits you in the beginning,

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Speaker 1: other than the really kind of groovy meshing of the

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Speaker 1: songs and the kind of overdubbing they did, was the

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Speaker 1: idea of that all of them were born during the war.

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Speaker 1: They were all war babies in London. They were and

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Speaker 1: you talk and talk, and the opening of the show

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Speaker 1: kind of tips how that affected them and how they

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Speaker 1: affected their lives and now they viewed their country and

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Speaker 1: so forth. You're a war baby, you were born during

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Speaker 1: the war. What was life like when you were a kid?

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Speaker 1: I remember my dad, I remember watching my dad at

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Speaker 1: a distance at you know where Burbank Airport is used

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Speaker 1: to be Douglas Field. I remember my dad climbing into

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Speaker 1: the belly of a B twenty four and flying away

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Speaker 1: to the war. I remember watching he was. They commissioned

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Speaker 1: you know, autographers. They put him right in the Air

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Speaker 1: that was a camera plane, that's all it was. And

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Speaker 1: he went all over the world. He went every he

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Speaker 1: had every theater reddened there was. It was gone for

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Speaker 1: how long? Five years? Well, because he wasn't a bombing thing.

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Speaker 1: You know, he had to follow up bombers, but he

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Speaker 1: He he kept calling five years every major theater of

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Speaker 1: the war. And when he came back, what was he like?

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Speaker 1: You wouldn't ever talk about it. So life at home

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Speaker 1: at first, yeah, and then both of them. But my

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Speaker 1: was off working. Yeah, and you go to boarding school

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Speaker 1: I did. Yeah, Kate, what was that black? What were

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Speaker 1: you like? Were you always mischievous? Always? And it got

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Speaker 1: What was music in your life? Then? Music came early?

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Speaker 1: And well, uh, my mom sang in choirs. My dad

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Speaker 1: liked music. He could play a mantle in. My brother

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Speaker 1: played guitar. We used to There's an interesting thing when

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Speaker 1: we sang folks songs out of the Fireside Book of

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Speaker 1: Folk Songs, and that was where it started. Did anybody

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Speaker 1: tell you then you could sing that? They say you're

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Speaker 1: a good singer. They did notice that I was singing

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Speaker 1: harmony when I was six, and huh, what's the first

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Speaker 1: on to guitar when you were how old? I guess

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Speaker 1: be three in June. He's obsessed with simulating playing the guitar.

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Speaker 1: He actually has a band with my wife. He calls

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Speaker 1: her Trista, and he's Mr Pants. Mr Pants. He'll turn

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Speaker 1: to my wife a little, I've got it on video.

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Speaker 1: He'll turn to my wife and Trista, what are we

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Speaker 1: him be a musician we wanted to be. It's terrible idea.

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Speaker 1: He'll never have a job. Actually let him. Do you

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Speaker 1: think that if you didn't? But when you say that,

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Speaker 1: do you think if you hadn't made it as big

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Speaker 1: as you made it, you wouldn't have stuck with it,

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Speaker 1: loved it. I would because I love it. I love

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Speaker 1: singing it. I'm good at it, but that's not really it.

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Speaker 1: It's there's a joy to singing in and of itself,

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Speaker 1: and it's it's an elevating thing. It's totally freaking wonderful.

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Speaker 1: It's very tough for me now, man, because really old

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Speaker 1: eating terrible food and restaurants. When when did you when

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Speaker 1: went one year and you went to UH City College

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Speaker 1: And no, you weren't sending music then, No, no, not yet.

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Speaker 1: I was. I was bussing tables at the local coffeehouse

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Speaker 1: And what was the first band you were in? Less

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Speaker 1: Baxter's Balladeers. Let's Baxter band leader. He had seen the

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Speaker 1: Lime Letters, Jad Mitchell Three, a bunch of different people,

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Speaker 1: that Jean was chalented and that this stuff had value

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Speaker 1: because it sounded a lot like Beatles songs. And so

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Speaker 1: I started singing harmony to him. They said, what's your name?

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Speaker 1: And uh, that worked out really well. It was a

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Speaker 1: good band, simple good. Roger's extremely good, had taken Bob

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Speaker 1: Dylan songs and turning them into pop records. And you

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Speaker 1: covered Tambourine Man. Yeah, that was our first hit. Well,

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Speaker 1: what did you learn about bands in your first band?

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Speaker 1: What that experience thought? I learned that that I had

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Speaker 1: a lot to learn. I was just a young punk

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Speaker 1: I had an experience early on when I was young.

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Speaker 1: My mom took me to see a symphony orchestra in

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Speaker 1: It's fascinating, man. I don't think we know. Okay, okay,

426
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 1: we didn't protect our democracy well enough. What's gonna happen?

427
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 1: I really don't know. I'm very encouraged by these kids.

428
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 1: I was very hugely encouraged. Got to keep them active,

429
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:59,399
Speaker 1: don't let that fire die out. It's not gonna and

430
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 1: we don't. We're not in charge of them. They are

431
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 1: gonna do that, and they are pissed. Understand they're being

432
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 1: handed a world that's in deep danger ecologically and a

433
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:18,199
Speaker 1: broken democracy. I don't think they don't know it. They're pissed.

434
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:22,159
Speaker 1: My son is Piste. He's getting handed the short end

435
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 1: of the stick, and he knows that he's too smart

436
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 1: not to know it. They're not going to go away.

437
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,440
Speaker 1: These kids are going to see some change. And all

438
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 1: the politicians things always been this way, and it's all

439
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,119
Speaker 1: he canna be this way. Were close to the nozzle,

440
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 1: we can get the goodies. We're gonna run things. Uh.

441
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,920
Speaker 1: The Women's March, the women of the United States of

442
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 1: America may save the United States of America. We need

443
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 1: more of them in Congress. Maybe Stormy Daniels is going

444
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 1: to save the country. Yeah. I thought it was interesting

445
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 1: that you saw everybody attack David Kid, that was the

446
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 1: leader of the Florida movement, becomes this lightning rod for

447
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: all these right wingers, especially Hannity, who I've always been,

448
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 1: you know, just just throttled Hannity whenever I can, because

449
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 1: he just because he drives me insane, because because first

450
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 1: of all, he has no talent none. I mean, as

451
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:15,199
Speaker 1: much as I detest o'riley's positions and as much as

452
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 1: I'm sickened by the things that O'Riley did, at least O'Riley,

453
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: as a broadcaster had some talent I had. I had

454
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,160
Speaker 1: a showdown with the with the o'relly. He was using

455
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:26,919
Speaker 1: my song long time Going, and I found out, what

456
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 1: do you doing? He came out to a show CSN

457
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: show at out on Long Island, What's your name? And

458
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,160
Speaker 1: at that place was Beachy Jones Beach. He came out

459
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 1: there and he was very you know how he is peacock.

460
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:42,360
Speaker 1: You know, he's like very full of himself. H O'Riley,

461
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 1: Nice to meet you. And I said, Mr O'Riley, stop

462
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 1: using my song. And he said what I said, I

463
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: didn't give you permission. If you use my song anymore,

464
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 1: I'm going to see you. He said, why don't you

465
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 1: come on my show and talk about it. I said,

466
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,679
Speaker 1: my son talking about I said, you bully. You just

467
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 1: interrupted me three words in I'm not gonna come. You

468
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 1: discussed me and he stopped. But I don't like him

469
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,880
Speaker 1: at all. I don't like any of them because they're

470
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: they don't really even believe what they're ranting about. They're

471
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 1: ranting because it makes them money. That's how they pay out.

472
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: But you know, multimillion dollar settlements. But but but handed

473
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 1: the attacks this guy and a lot of people. He's

474
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 1: a good kid. That's why they attacked me. Because he's effective,

475
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 1: because it's working. He's believable. These people have they they

476
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:36,440
Speaker 1: assassinate characters of leadership. They have a leadership assassination program. Yeah,

477
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: anybody on the other side is gonna was gonna get

478
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: an attraction and get anything done. They try to kill him,

479
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 1: They try to kill him. They don't like it. And

480
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 1: now I'm I'm tiny, I'm not really worth coming after,

481
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 1: but they do come after me. I'll give you a

482
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: birdec example, I shot my mouth off yesterday whenever was

483
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 1: his hotel? I said, burn, baby, burn, stupid and then

484
00:28:55,640 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 1: a guy dies. Fifty emails you are heartless, worthless son

485
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: of a bit. Somebody died and you loved it. I

486
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 1: don't love. Yeah, I don't want to be sometimes I

487
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: don't want any fifty like raging. I'm gonna kill you,

488
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:19,959
Speaker 1: you low cheesy motherfucker. You can't communicate in the media

489
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 1: at all the way you thought you could have wanted

490
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 1: to carefully. Yeah, Because the place I go where I

491
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 1: can speak as long as I want to, and I'm

492
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 1: completely uncensored, and I'm welcome and nobody's is Howard Stern.

493
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: I Whenever I want to talk about something, I want

494
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: to talk about an issue, and something's bothering me, I

495
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: go on, Howard. It's the best. These are the nighttime shows.

496
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: Some of them are my friends. I like them. They

497
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 1: have their purpose promotionally, six minutes on the couch and out.

498
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 1: They have their function in the in the promotional world.

499
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: But Howard, it's a completely different thing. I have a

500
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: good conversation, and he's a kind guy. He's a really

501
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 1: interesting thing. You know what happened with Howard. He grew up.

502
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: He ard it be out being you know, hey, I'm

503
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 1: gonna have strippers on my radio shop, all right? Not

504
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 1: so shit. And then he kept encountering stuff and learning stuff,

505
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 1: and you watch him he matured. Eventually they realize Letterman

506
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 1: and Howard in their own way, they realized they're enough

507
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 1: them just sitting there talking to is enough. You don't

508
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 1: need any more of this crap looking. Howard learned a

509
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: lot and became smarter and became much He's a serious,

510
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 1: a serious guy to talk to. Now. I I feel

511
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 1: the same way you do. I felt completely free to

512
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 1: say pretty much anything. I honestly felt you say the

513
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 1: thing about the fire at Trump's building. But but don't

514
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 1: we all get pushed to the point where I mean,

515
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 1: there's things I almost hit send on Twitter that you

516
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 1: wouldn't believe, right right in line with what you said

517
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 1: about burdens. We get pushed to that point. Yeah, well

518
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: they make us mad exactly. You love this place. You

519
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: believed in this democracy all your life. You think it's

520
00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: a great idea. We got taught it. We're going to

521
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: ruin everything, and well they're ruining it, you know, And

522
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: that's really bad. Uh, And yes, I get pissed and

523
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: everyone swhile I want to make a mistake. I'm made

524
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 1: a mistake that maybe there was one in one too.

525
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 1: You're supposed to smile. It was a joke. But why

526
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 1: why was it a joke? Because I made mistakes every day.

527
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 1: I'm sorry? Okay, can I get him now? I'm just

528
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: so earnest right now? Ye are I'm a little too earnest.

529
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 1: I want to ask you about your son. His name

530
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: is Raymond, James, Raymond James Raymond, and you were um separated.

531
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 1: You didn't see him for while he got reunited. Yeah,

532
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: his mom put him up for adoption, and when he

533
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: was just about to have his first child. His parents said, well,

534
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 1: you know, I shouldn't know what the genetic Sorry, should

535
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: find out who your dad is. So he tracked and

536
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: he found it and he said, no, no way. Oh

537
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: he didn't know how old was he at that point. Uh,

538
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 1: probably almost thirty, So he didn't know you were his father. No, No,

539
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: he did a one full thing, Alecky. Normally those meetups

540
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: go very badly. You know that somebody brings too much baggage.

541
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: How come you left me and mom? We weren't good

542
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: enough for you? Uh, it's usually bitter. It's usually a

543
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: better pill. Well, he came and he gave me a

544
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 1: clean slate. He gave me a chance to earn my

545
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: way into his life, which was one of the kindest

546
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: things anybody's ever done to me. And he and I

547
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 1: became very close and we write extremely well. Because he's

548
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 1: a better musician than I am. Anybody tells you it's

549
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 1: not genetic, haven't come talk. That's interesting, Yeah, that's interesting.

550
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: He's a wonderful musician, much better musician than I am.

551
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: In a really good writer. You still have your band together, CPR, Well,

552
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: that's that band has evolved now into the sky Trail space.

553
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 1: I am in two bands, The Lighthouse Band this when

554
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 1: I'm working with down John right now. It's an acoustic band,

555
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,719
Speaker 1: mostly vocalst You here recording, Yeah, we're here recording right now.

556
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 1: We're making our second record. My other band, sky Trails Band,

557
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 1: that's CPO are me and Jeff pe Bar and my

558
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: son James Raymond and this jazz bass player from Estonia

559
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 1: named my Agen Young, really nice brilliant bass player. And

560
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: then Michelle Willis again because she's a stunning singer. She's

561
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: an amazing singer. But yeah, these two bands are the

562
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: results of being getting out of CSM and uh. And

563
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 1: it was a very tough decision because the streaming was

564
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: taken away half our money. The other half was live

565
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: performance with CSN and I couldn't do it anymore. And

566
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: so I quit. And are you just as happy or

567
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: do you miss? I'm so happy man? And n at all? Really,

568
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: these people are much better writers and much better singers

569
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 1: than those guys are. Now. These people still love it,

570
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 1: they love making music. They're not doing it for a paycheck,

571
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: They're doing it because they do. You think the other

572
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 1: two are really just doing it for a paycheck at

573
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 1: this point. Yeah, yeah, I think that's the only thing

574
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: they're doing. Are they gonna do? Do Do you think they're

575
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: gonna follow you and form another band and keep going there?

576
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 1: You know they're working. Stills was working with Judy Collins

577
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 1: has been a friend forever, and uh and Nash had

578
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 1: been not working. Were there people that you wanted to

579
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:13,800
Speaker 1: play with? Like, was there a dream of somebody you

580
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: wanted to play with? You and get to play with?

581
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 1: Who'd you want to play with? Rony? Really? And why

582
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: didn't you? She was my old lady. I produced her

583
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 1: first record. She's arguably the finest singer songwriter of our times.

584
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: I think probably pretty definitely the best writer, even better

585
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 1: than Paul or either one of the Paul's or Randy,

586
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: or even better than than James Taylor, who was one

587
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 1: of my real heroes in life and and most people

588
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 1: will come down to it's her, Bob, and she's so

589
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: much better musician than Bob's was a great poet. She's

590
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 1: a great poet and a great musician. Stunning singer, which

591
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: is all over now because she got, she got had

592
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 1: a really bad thing happened to her. Um Dylan, But

593
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: I worked with him. What was that like? Was it

594
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: everything you hope they would be? Bob is such a

595
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: piece of work man. I went in and he says, Hi,

596
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 1: how you doing? And uh? And he kissed my wife's hand.

597
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 1: She's never washed it since um. And he says, come on,

598
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: let's go do it. And I said, Bobby, I haven't

599
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 1: heard the song yet. Oh come on. Because he loves

600
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 1: to get you out on the edge. He wants that

601
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: edge stuff. He wants it. So I said, Bob, you

602
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 1: got to sing me this song. So he says, okay,

603
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 1: He sings me this song. See okay, Now let's go

604
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 1: to it. So we go in the other room and

605
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: he does it completely different. He's such, he's really he's

606
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 1: a piece of work, trust me. And and I love

607
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 1: him and I'm I I get along great with him

608
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 1: because I don't butter his toast. You know. I think

609
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,800
Speaker 1: that's that's comfortable for him people I'd love to work with.

610
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: Its still a bunch, man, but I think the younger

611
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 1: people still have a lot of joy in it. You know,

612
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 1: it's still really exciting for him. That produces a different

613
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 1: quality of music. Unquestionably, we had Beard back hold to

614
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 1: All God here in the night. That's a signal from

615
00:36:50,760 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 1: young good. That's answering something here exactly when we returned

616
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: some of the truly great questions you all submitted for

617
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 1: this legend of rock and roll and a few of

618
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:21,879
Speaker 1: the less than great ones. I'm Alec Baldwin and you're

619
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: listening to Here's the thing, she shall be free. She

620
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 1: turns bo gates down this slope to the heart. We

621
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 1: have some questions that were posed by people on our

622
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: hears I think Twitter side. Yeah, we we you know,

623
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,959
Speaker 1: we went on on our Twitter page and we asked

624
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: people and it really worked like a charm. We were

625
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 1: kind of amazed how many people are. We're gonna bring

626
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 1: me the questions, bring those in here. But uh is

627
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: that you, Adam? I want to pick us a couple

628
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,919
Speaker 1: of these that I really really liked. One of them

629
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 1: is from a woman named Barbara Fisher, and she says

630
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: one of my all time favorite albums of yours is

631
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 1: Thousand Roads. Did you have any thoughts of what inspired

632
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 1: you to write these songs, especially Hero? Was this a generalization?

633
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 1: Was it a commendation on someone specific that inspired you?

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Speaker 1: I wish it were actually Hero. I'm not really sure

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Speaker 1: what I was talking about. What happened is I was

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Speaker 1: working on that set of words and Phil Collins heard him,

637
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Speaker 1: and uh, and he wrote the music and we as

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Speaker 1: the closest I came to you ever having a hit? Really,

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Speaker 1: uh uh? I never have hits because I write the

640
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Speaker 1: weird Ship. I'm not really sure what I was talking about.

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Speaker 1: I wish I could give you a clear and concise

642
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Speaker 1: answer what I was trying to say, but I'm not sure.

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Speaker 1: Bill Vora Nikos, and Bill, if I mangled your name,

644
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Speaker 1: I apologize, Bill Vora Nikos. I think this is a

645
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Speaker 1: funny question. Who was a rival artist or band during

646
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Speaker 1: the sixties or seventies that you couldn't stand or thoughts

647
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Speaker 1: sucked other than Jim Morrison? Do you think Jim Morrison sucked? Yeah? Absolutely?

648
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Speaker 1: Really poser? Really you thought he was not a good singer,

649
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Speaker 1: not a good singer? No? What? No? Why do you?

650
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I don't think he's a good singer.

651
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:42,800
Speaker 1: And when you say that, who is a good singer?

652
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Speaker 1: Do you? Yeah? I mean other than the three of you?

653
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Speaker 1: Who's a good singer? James Taylor? Wow, brilliant singer. He's

654
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Speaker 1: just more honest, more straightforward. What what what? What? What much

655
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Speaker 1: more talented. Wow, you know Morrison was a poser. Anybody

656
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Speaker 1: that wants up having a waiver their dick in the audience,

657
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Speaker 1: you know, it's like they're pretty desperate. He was opposer.

658
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Speaker 1: Trust me, I that band was no good. They never

659
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Speaker 1: swung ever, they didn't have a bass player. He played

660
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 1: terrible bass on a keyboard, really badly, and it was awful.

661
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Speaker 1: I don't like him. I never there were bands earlier

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Speaker 1: than that that I didn't like. Paul over here and

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Speaker 1: the readers, I mean, come on, I set the bar

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Speaker 1: pretty high. The people that I liked were Jimmy Hendrix

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Speaker 1: and Janis Joplin and Cass Elliott and Joni Mitchell and

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Speaker 1: Bob Dylan. That's those are your basic box set of

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Speaker 1: the greatest. Those are all my friends, and they are

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Speaker 1: all people that I think are really talented. No, I

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Speaker 1: didn't like the Doors worse at all. Well, we have

670
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Speaker 1: a woman here the question. I'm I'm motivated by you

671
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Speaker 1: because it was so blunt about Morrison. I'm so blunt

672
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Speaker 1: about this question. Her name is Renee Champagne. Now that's

673
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Speaker 1: that's a that's a cool name, Renee Champagne. But the

674
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Speaker 1: question is a terrible question. She says, what is the

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Speaker 1: most memorable moment of your we are so far and

676
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Speaker 1: why that's a terrible question question. And you get those

677
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Speaker 1: two your favorite and we try to explain to him.

678
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Speaker 1: And when you get into the good stuff, it's all

679
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Speaker 1: apples and orange its. There isn't a best. Clapton wasn't

680
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Speaker 1: better than Hendrix. Hendrick wasn't better than Clapton. I got

681
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Speaker 1: another one here that I really really liked. John Packer

682
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: is his name, our our contributor here from Twitter, John

683
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: Packers said. Hugh Masskela described how you helped him move

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Speaker 1: out of addiction and how that transformed his life. How

685
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Speaker 1: did he find you? Cass Elliott, the same person introduced

686
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Speaker 1: me to to Graham and one of my best friends

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Speaker 1: in the world, A truly wonderful woman. Yeah, she introduced

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Speaker 1: me to Hugh and he and I and she used

689
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Speaker 1: to hang out to get her a lot. Hughie was

690
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: very talented guy. He played on Rock and Roll Star.

691
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Speaker 1: That's his trumpet on Rock and Roll Star. I don't

692
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Speaker 1: want you to answer these questions, but I just want

693
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Speaker 1: to read them to you because they're so interesting to me.

694
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Paris says, if you had six fingers instead of four,

695
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Speaker 1: what will be here from your guitar? Jeffrey Parrish used

696
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Speaker 1: to be the captain on my boat? Is somebody you know?

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Speaker 1: You know he's one of my best friends. If you

698
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Speaker 1: have six fingers on your hand rather than four, what

699
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Speaker 1: will be here from your guitar? Clapped it? Is he

700
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Speaker 1: somebody you admire? Hell? Yes, But more than his musicianship,

701
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Speaker 1: I admire his courage. What happened to him would have

702
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 1: put me back on top, and he didn't go. He

703
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Speaker 1: stayed sober in the face of that. My god, man,

704
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 1: that's courage. He's a very brave guy. And you know,

705
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Speaker 1: most people just have never really looked at it and

706
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Speaker 1: thought about what it must have taken from him. But

707
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Speaker 1: I admire his courage as much as I admire his

708
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Speaker 1: guitar playing. And I think he's an even better singer

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Speaker 1: than he's a guitar player. Three last questions. Gloria Bernstein,

710
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Speaker 1: who's a friend of mine? Gloria Bernstein wants to know

711
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Speaker 1: what's your favorite movie of your dad's. But the one

712
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Speaker 1: they got the Academy Award for is also a stunner.

713
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Speaker 1: It's called Tab and it was a black and White

714
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 1: Silent Movie. It's that far back. You ever visited him

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Speaker 1: on the set? Oh? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I wanted to

716
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Speaker 1: do your job. Man's I'm So Glass worked out well

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Speaker 1: from all of us society. It's not easy, man, for

718
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 1: every part in in film and TV, there's a thousand

719
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Speaker 1: people trying. One last question from me, what are five

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Speaker 1: albums you could never do without? Jonny's Blue Asia, Steely Dan,

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Speaker 1: my favorite band, Uh sad that he died. No, I'm

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Speaker 1: friends with Donald and Though and I gotta give two

723
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Speaker 1: to Steely Dan, Gaucho, Uh Peppers, Starry Pepper loved it.

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Speaker 1: A classical piece called Theme from Thomas Talas. Pretty fun. Williams,

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Speaker 1: you know about I'm the I'm the announcer for the

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Speaker 1: New York Philharmonic here on public radio. I love that.

727
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Speaker 1: How is your health and what recommendations do you have

728
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Speaker 1: to people, especially people in your business, to take better

729
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Speaker 1: care of their health. I think a lot about that

730
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Speaker 1: now what I might have done, I think you don't.

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Speaker 1: My health has always been a very serious issue. I

732
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Speaker 1: had hepatitis. See, I had to have a liver transplant.

733
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Speaker 1: I spent seventy two days in the hospital at U C.

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Speaker 1: L a before they saved my life. Oh is it

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Speaker 1: really pretty pretty terrible? I've been a diabetic for thirty years.

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Speaker 1: At least my doctor, who is a crusty old guy

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Speaker 1: at u c l A named Gary get Nick, you

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Speaker 1: got to do better with his diabetes. Okay, Gary, thank you?

739
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Speaker 1: How do I do that? He said? Eat less food?

740
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Speaker 1: I said, oh, Gary, you thinks it's so simple. Oh wow,

741
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Speaker 1: you cleared it right up for me. You were so

742
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 1: kind you ask eat less food. I mean it, you're

743
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Speaker 1: eating too much? Turns up. He is right. There's a

744
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: delay period between when you're actually full and when you

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Speaker 1: feel full. It's about twenty minutes, and you keep eating

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Speaker 1: because it tastes good. So what I do is I

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Speaker 1: order a bigler meal. I don't order sugar, but I

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Speaker 1: order a pretty regular meal, and then I eat half

749
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Speaker 1: of it. And I went from forty one seventy seven,

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Speaker 1: and I've been here for two years. Do you campaign

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Speaker 1: for people for candidates ever anymore? I'm very reticent about

752
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: it because they turn on you. I've been campaigning for

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Speaker 1: a friend of mine named Dana Steele down in Texas.

754
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Speaker 1: She's running from home for you. Now you live where

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Speaker 1: sent by Santa Barbara. I've been campaigning for Dana because

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Speaker 1: she's a friend and I know she's an honorable person

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Speaker 1: and she wants She's running for Congress in the thirty

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Speaker 1: six district in Texas, and I think she might win,

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Speaker 1: even though she's an uphill battle. Yeah, I do. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: if I know the character of the person, I'd love

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Speaker 1: it to man. You know I love this country. Man,

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Speaker 1: I'm not giving up. I'm not going to roll around

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Speaker 1: and put my pause in here. I Am going to

764
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Speaker 1: keep fighting until I am dead. The inexhaustible creative engine

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Speaker 1: that is David Crosby. He actually worked in film. Recently,

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Speaker 1: he and his son James wrote a song for the

767
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Speaker 1: documentary Little Pink House, about the human story behind the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court's Keylo decision, where a town bulldozed a woman's

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Speaker 1: little pink house to make room for commercial development. They

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Speaker 1: put in a movie and they're trying to see if

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Speaker 1: they can qualify as for an Academy Award. Were trying

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Speaker 1: to course. I'm putting next to my dad, David Crosby.

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Speaker 1: He chose the music for today's program and there's both

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Speaker 1: joy and pain in it. This is Alec Baldwin and

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Speaker 1: you're listening to. Here's the thing. Seven weeks now sick

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Speaker 1: we shifts all the water. Very free, easy easy, you

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Speaker 1: know the way it's supposed to be. Simper on the

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Speaker 1: shoreline as be talking about, very free and easy