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Speaker 1: It's the inside scoop of FT senior insider Ken Rosenthal.

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Speaker 1: Can our guys are heated as you would expect. We

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Speaker 1: have two catchers hosting this show. It's the cross up

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Speaker 1: heard around the world. What was your reaction when you

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Speaker 1: saw what happened with fran Bravaldez and says our Salazar.

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Speaker 2: I was watching the players' reactions for starters, and I

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Speaker 2: saw Salazar walk toward the man, looking not happy. I

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Speaker 2: saw Fromber turn his back, not showing any remorse at

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Speaker 2: all for what happened. And if it was an accident,

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Speaker 2: if indeed this was just an innocent thing, if your Fromber,

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Speaker 2: aren't you just throwing your hands up saying whoa, WHOA

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Speaker 2: sorry about that? We've seen that kind of thing happen.

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Speaker 2: And in listening not just to AJ and Eric this morning,

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Speaker 2: but other former players on social media, it's pretty unanimous

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Speaker 2: that everyone thinks this was not a good thing, not

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Speaker 2: a good act at all. And after the game, Rea

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Speaker 2: Chandler Rome's account this morning in the Athletic after the game,

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Speaker 2: Salazar is at his locker, Robert Valdez is talking to him.

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Speaker 2: A coach comes and gets them and says, you need

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Speaker 2: to go to the manager's office. If there is nothing

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Speaker 2: going on here, they don't need to go to the

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Speaker 2: manager's office. So obviously there's something going on here. And

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Speaker 2: everything you guys said in the previous segment I tend

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Speaker 2: to agree with. And also I should say this in

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Speaker 2: this kind of situation, what I always do is listen

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Speaker 2: to the players and former players, because you guys have

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Speaker 2: been in the mix. You know what is proper and

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Speaker 2: what is not proper. And from every indication, every indication,

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Speaker 2: what happened was not proper.

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Speaker 3: Ken You know what's amazing is you get to go

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Speaker 3: to Houston VUS Texas this Saturday, so you can't ask

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Speaker 3: the questions. Now, would you get mad if I threw

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Speaker 3: a ball at you as hard as I could and

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Speaker 3: it hits you in the ribs because you got a

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Speaker 3: little mad when the Royals tried on Saturday to get

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Speaker 3: you in the water. So I just want to know

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Speaker 3: where you draw the line.

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Speaker 2: No, No, let's be accurate about what happened Saturday. I

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Speaker 2: didn't get mad when the Royals tried to hit me

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Speaker 2: at the water. They've hit me with water before, and

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Speaker 2: this time I got out of the way. What bothered

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Speaker 2: me a little bit was the broadcasting equivalent of what

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Speaker 2: Frober Valdez did last night when you signed off the broadcast. A. J.

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Speaker 2: Persinski did this and said, man, I wish Ken would

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Speaker 2: have gotten hit you wanted to do with him what

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Speaker 2: you wished ill on me, And addressing this on the

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Speaker 2: Thursday edition of Fair Territory, Well, I mean, am.

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Speaker 3: I going to make the John Fisher of the Week? Yes?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for this way.

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Speaker 2: You're a strung n not just for the award, but

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Speaker 2: to have the award renamed in your honor.

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Speaker 3: Maybe finally, finally Ken voted for me for something.

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Speaker 1: Wait, I want to get back on track here. I

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Speaker 1: have a serious question. I know it's kind of weird,

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Speaker 1: and I know it's someone's livelihood, but do you think

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Speaker 1: this is the kind of viral incident that other teams

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Speaker 1: look at, including owners who are not focused on every

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Speaker 1: pitch of from Barbaldez. He is going to be one

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Speaker 1: of the top free agents this offseason. I'm serious when

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Speaker 1: I say this, and I'm not trying to cost anyone money.

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Speaker 1: This is the kind of incident that can turn someone

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Speaker 1: off and say I don't care about all of the

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Speaker 1: other homework. My front office is doing. I don't want

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Speaker 1: that on my team.

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Speaker 3: Scott.

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Speaker 2: That's a great question. It's kind of the question of

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Speaker 2: the hour, honestly, because he is one of the top

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Speaker 2: free agents available this offseason, and certainly he was looking

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Speaker 2: for a contract is looking for a contract in the

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Speaker 2: max freed range right now. I don't know if he'll

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Speaker 2: get there, he's old or whatever. But if I'm a team,

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Speaker 2: I'm asking him these questions, and I'm wanting to know

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Speaker 2: in my interview process with him, Hey, what is going

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Speaker 2: on there? What is going on in some of these

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Speaker 2: other incidents with catchers over the years. And if I'm

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Speaker 2: going to give you X number one hundred million dollars,

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Speaker 2: can I trust you? And I want to look him

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Speaker 2: They are certainly valid questions. But when you ask me

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Speaker 2: because talent weighs out so big in free agency in

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Speaker 2: all baseball decisions, and teams take chances and invest in

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Speaker 2: players all the time who have checkered past something that

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Speaker 2: they've done emotional questions. This happens commonly, It's not unusual.

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Speaker 2: So from Ervaldez, is one of the better pitchers in

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Speaker 2: the game quite obviously. We all know that, and he's

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Speaker 3: Put it that way, all right, some more heat Colorado,

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Speaker 3: the Raffie Devers Kyle Freeland exchange. Obviously more has come out.

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Speaker 3: The reaction for me, the reaction from Chapman coming out

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Speaker 3: and pushing free is a rare reaction. And then it

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Speaker 3: comes out that these guys that you know, they're kind

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Speaker 3: of been pissed that Freeland has been somebody who runs

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Speaker 3: his mouth, is what the word was said. Is this

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Speaker 3: something that has been brewing between these two teams and

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Speaker 3: it actually just came out or what was it?

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Speaker 2: I don't know, Eric, to be perfectly honest, it certainly

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Speaker 2: sounds like there's something of a history, or at least

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Speaker 2: said Freeland is a guy who runs his mouth.

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Speaker 2: What I would call the most controversial player in the game.

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Speaker 3: Ken Devers came from the Red Sox. The Red Sox

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Speaker 3: are in a pennant race with a blue Jay's your

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Speaker 3: favorite team and the Yankees Romin Anthony has a oblique thank.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you've ever had an oblique tightness.

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Speaker 3: you can't do anything with it. So how bad of

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Speaker 3: news is this for the Red Sox And how big

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Speaker 2: We don't have a diagnosis just yet, but anytime you

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Speaker 2: and all of that. But he has been a critical

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Speaker 2: Anthony is a huge part of their offense and if

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Speaker 2: they lose him, yes, it certainly damages them. The question

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Speaker 2: is he back for the playoffs? How long does this take?

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Speaker 2: And you guys know this, players who experienced it, AJ,

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Speaker 3: You wrote about how the Tigers really don't care who

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Speaker 2: No, he didn't say that.

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Speaker 2: I said, it's not that big a deal based on

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Speaker 2: So I would expect when this happens in twenty twenty six,

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Speaker 2: And these relievers who often are overlooked, Hey, they should

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is good stuff. Ken, appreciate that time Jannerty told.

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Speaker 2: You got it AJA anytime.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Ken, let's stay here for a sec. So I

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Speaker 1: I get a good Ken dinner and it's fun. Ken's

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame because you'll have another award, a legit award, right, Kratz, Yes,

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Speaker 1: this helps money. Actually, it already is helping money. Do

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Speaker 1: So it makes sense, Kratz. Relievers were getting shafted. Start's

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Speaker 1: article was awesome. Relievers are getting shafted here, and MVP

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Speaker 1: This will be covering a significant portion of our game.

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Speaker 1: Relievers pitch half the playoffs and they don't get much

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Speaker 3: Oh they're they're getting, in my opinion, more meaningful innings.

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Speaker 3: Well he was perfect.

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Speaker 3: People thought Class Yeah should have won in the conversation

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Speaker 1: That was my question. Not too sad, he's still your joke.

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Speaker 3: Of Yeah, because they haven't found anything or they haven't

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what he said.

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Speaker 1: That's what he said.

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Speaker 3: you like wondering, like, ah, you know what, that was

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Speaker 3: kind of unlucky or this was kind of that, or

435
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Speaker 3: like it's either an injury or it's getting sent down

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Speaker 3: a trip. Well, now he's reading scattering reports. Where did

437
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Speaker 3: he just come from? He was down in Triple A,

438
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Speaker 3: he got optioned to Triple A, and maybe now he's deciding, Hey,

439
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Speaker 3: you know what, I can put a little extra effort

440
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Speaker 3: into it. Nobody knows that that's going to work out.

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Speaker 3: You said, Mark Burley didn't do scattering reports. Mark Burley

442
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Speaker 3: never shook off any pitches either. Mark Burley had like

443
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Speaker 3: a hundred seasons in a row of two hundred innings.

444
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Speaker 3: Big difference than what Todz Bradley's doing. Cliff Lee was

445
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Speaker 3: the exact same way. Wouldn't want to do scattering reports.

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Speaker 3: Everybody does it differently. But when you're not having the

447
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Speaker 3: success up to the level that you feel like it

448
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:42,840
Speaker 3: should be, you should always be looking for something else

449
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:46,760
Speaker 3: to enhance your game, take you to the next level.

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Speaker 3: Hopefully that does that for him, And this is great,

451
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Speaker 3: it's good if this is what helps listen everybody's got

452
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Speaker 3: to find their things. Yeah, but there are guys in

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Speaker 3: Crossing teb Broone. There's guys that I played with. There

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Speaker 3: are pitchers and they would go in there for hours

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Speaker 3: and they'd come out and I'm like, you still don't

456
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Speaker 3: know what you're doing. But I mean, in my wrong crowds,

457
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Speaker 3: there's guys that would coming there and they'd have a book.

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Speaker 3: They literally would have a book and they'd be like,

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Speaker 3: you know, you sit down with them and they'd say, Okay,

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Speaker 3: I want to pitch this, and I want to do this,

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Speaker 3: and I want to do that. And I look at

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Speaker 3: it and be like, that's weird because I looked and

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Speaker 3: it's not the same. But yeah, that's what you said. Yes,

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Speaker 3: what you said, and then the game starts. You tried

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Speaker 3: to exactly opposite of what they told you. Am I wrong? No,

466
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Speaker 3: You're not wrong. Besides Roy Holliday, Roy Holliday was in

467
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Speaker 3: the video room. He would do his own scattering report.

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Speaker 3: He expected me to do my own scattering report. Choose

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Speaker 3: to do it like that was the expectation that he had,

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Speaker 3: and so I kind of like learned to do that

471
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Speaker 3: for all the other pitchers and some of the times

472
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Speaker 3: you just never used it, and other times you'd use

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Speaker 3: it really well. There was one guy that I played with.

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Speaker 3: He did the exact same thing. He was super intricate.

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Speaker 3: He wrote down all his numbers and everything. His issue

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Speaker 3: was he didn't have the nuts to throw the fastball

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Speaker 3: in when we go in. He'd let it leak out

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Speaker 3: over the plate and he hit a dinger. So all

479
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Speaker 3: the work in the video room should give you confidence.

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Speaker 3: It shouldn't give you the answers. It should give you

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Speaker 3: confidence in you know what, I'm gonna dominate these dudes

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Speaker 3: because I'm gonna execute my pitches no matter what happens.

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Speaker 3: So you do all the work in the video room,

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Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden, you're like, I'm scared.

485
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Speaker 3: I'm scared to bounce it with a runner on third.

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Speaker 3: I'm scared to go up and in I might hit

487
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Speaker 3: the guy. Well, you could just never watch anything then,

488
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Speaker 3: or do any scattered reports because you're cooked.

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Speaker 1: There are outliers, but in most cases in today's game,

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Speaker 1: there's some form of studying going on. So when I

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Speaker 1: hear that a picture hasn't been studying and he's twenty

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Speaker 1: four and he's still pretty young in the sport. I'm like, great,

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Speaker 1: I'm buying stocking Todz Bradley the whole.

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Speaker 3: Other component of the hopefully hopefully it is.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully I mean the Rays don't pitch, the Rays don't

496
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Speaker 1: trade talent like this way, and the Rays also are

497
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Speaker 1: obsessed with giving this kind of.

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Speaker 4: Information, sir. Guys don't like it though, right, I'm just

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Speaker 4: saying if you my question then goes to why did

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Speaker 4: the Rays not have him doing this?

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Speaker 3: Uh, that's one of that's one of the most prepared

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Speaker 3: pitching coaches that I've ever played with. No, I know

503
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Speaker 3: what I'm saying, but why did why did Bradley not

504
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Speaker 3: do this before? Like, if the Rays were so obsessed

505
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Speaker 3: with analytics and all that, shouldn't they At some point

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Speaker 3: I have said, Hey, Todd, you need to do a

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Speaker 3: scouting report for yourself. Kiss is kiss, the right is

508
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Speaker 3: kiss the right word. Keep it simple, stupid. Sometimes you

509
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Speaker 3: just as a staff, you're like, hey, keep it simple

510
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Speaker 3: for this guy. Hey, this guy wants to go deeper.

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Speaker 3: This guy at some point in the big leagues. What

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Speaker 3: Scott said is exactly right. Some point in the big leagues.

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Speaker 3: If you want to take it to the next level,

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Speaker 3: you have to prepare like a big lee pitching or hitting.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of hitters to just go up and

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Speaker 3: go I'm just gonna yeah, I'm just gonna look for

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Speaker 3: the ball down the middle and hit it. What did

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Speaker 3: you just hit there? Well, I was sitting on a

519
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 3: fastball and uh, well he threw you a slider. I

520
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 3: was sitting slider one hundred pence one time. Was like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'm sitting on this guy slider and he threw ninety

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Speaker 3: seven letter high and it hit a dinger. It's like,

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Speaker 3: I thought you were looking at a slider. He goes, I

524
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Speaker 3: think it was. Some guys can do that. Some guys

525
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Speaker 3: can do that. But if they let if they put

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Speaker 3: the level of scattered report and like preparation in there

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Speaker 3: and they can actually execute that, that's what takes them

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Speaker 3: to the next level.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited if I'm a twins.

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Speaker 3: That wasn't a scot report hitting. I wanted to count,

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Speaker 3: so I was it And I would watch some video

532
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Speaker 3: on where he gave up damage, where the pitcher gave

533
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Speaker 3: up damage. But that's a scattery report. Yeah, but it

534
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Speaker 3: was quick. It wasn't There wasn't a lot that went

535
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Speaker 3: into it. Sure, it was super fast. Give me account,

536
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Speaker 3: let me see the count chart. Okay, good, Now I

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Speaker 3: go from there.

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Speaker 1: I think we can make a case that you're an outlier.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I didn't take a lot of swings. Yeah

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Speaker 3: I know. I agreed, Yeah, agree, because I didn't want

541
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Speaker 3: to get up there and go I didn't want to

542
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Speaker 3: go Paul Knerko and be like, he's gonna throw me

543
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Speaker 3: this pitch, and if he doesn't throw it, then is

544
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Speaker 3: way better than me.

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Speaker 1: So anyways, you have guys that guess locations.

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Speaker 3: I guess every pitch my whole career.

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Speaker 1: That was your thing, every pitch. There you go, Well,

548
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Speaker 1: you got it right enough that it worked out pretty

549
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 1: well for you. But off other ones right right?

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Speaker 3: I sat breaking ball, I spent all my whole life,

551
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Speaker 3: but I could foul off heaters. I could just follow

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Speaker 3: them off.

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Speaker 1: There you go for everyone else, get no, find what

554
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Speaker 1: works for you.

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Speaker 3: Not everything works