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Speaker 2: You're listening to the best of the Odd Couple.

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Speaker 3: How about now, Rob G Dan Campbell affects you.

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Speaker 4: You might known by me as Dan Gamble lost that

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Speaker 4: he's lost big games for the Lions in which they

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Speaker 4: should have been able to advance to the Super Bowl

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Speaker 4: by now. But he had a statement today, Rob G

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Speaker 4: in a little news conference.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it sounds like he is well aware of the

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Speaker 5: numbers because according to CBS Sports, only twenty five percent

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Speaker 5: of the teams in the NFL that start zero to

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Speaker 5: one end up reaching the playoffs. This goes back to

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Speaker 5: nineteen ninety That's unbelievable. Really, seams that start owing to though,

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Speaker 5: Rob Calvin, make the playoffs just twelve percent of the time,

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Speaker 5: and that might be a big reason why Dan Campbell,

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Speaker 5: when he was speaking with the media today ahead of

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Speaker 5: their matchup with Ben Johnson Chicago Bears basically called this

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Speaker 5: game a must win.

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Speaker 3: Take a listen.

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Speaker 6: Ben's my friend.

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Speaker 7: He's always going to be my friend. You know, nothing

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Speaker 7: about that's going to change. You know, we're going in

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Speaker 7: getting ready to play Chicago. We're gonna win this game.

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Speaker 7: You know, we have to we have to.

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Speaker 4: Wow, He's saying that they have to Week two against

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Speaker 4: the Bears is a must win, and I kind of,

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Speaker 4: you know, it sounds crazy, but Campbell, I think has

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Speaker 4: figured it out. He doesn't have his security blanket anymore,

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Speaker 4: which were those two coordinators. And I think he'll be

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Speaker 4: exposed as we go forward with this season that the

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Speaker 4: reason he had the success that he's had isn't because

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Speaker 4: of his culture building, is because he had two really

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Speaker 4: good coordinators who wind up getting head coaching jobs because

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Speaker 4: of what they did. Dan Campbell's not the offensive guy,

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Speaker 4: defensive guy. He's not either of those guys. He's a

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Speaker 4: raw ra guy. And the problem is when you're a

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Speaker 4: raw ra guy, that sounds good when you're winning and

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Speaker 4: people can say, oh, he changed the culture. I run

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Speaker 4: through a wall for Dan Campbell. That's easy to say

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Speaker 4: when you're winning and you're undefeated on the road and

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Speaker 4: you win fifteen games.

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Speaker 3: And all that. But as soon as you start to

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Speaker 4: Around like a rag doll like we saw, or have

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Speaker 4: a vanilla vanilla bean offense that we saw in Green Bay,

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Speaker 4: things change, things tighten up. I am convinced that Ben

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Speaker 4: Johnson will pull off the upset beat the Lions in

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Speaker 4: week two. Have you seen the schedule, Kelvin? Have you

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Speaker 4: seen the schedule? And I know you talked about it yesterday.

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Speaker 4: I'm ready to make that bet with you that the

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Speaker 4: for a pair of Jordans that the Lions won't make

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Speaker 4: the playoffs. Okay, done, all right, we got that mark

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Speaker 4: that down. I'm ready to make that bet because after this,

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Speaker 4: if you take a look at the schedule, they gotta

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Speaker 4: go to Baltimore, they play Kansas City. They have a

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Speaker 4: first six that they would win, and that's against Cleveland.

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Speaker 3: They're on the road against the Chiefs. Rob g. What's

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Speaker 3: the other tough road game they got?

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Speaker 4: I know they got the oh the Bengals on the

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Speaker 4: the Browns at home.

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Speaker 3: Correct. I think that that so so you got.

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Speaker 4: That's why he's already talking in this term of we're

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Speaker 4: He's going to have an advantage in mapping out this

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Speaker 4: it was Ben Johnson and Aaron Glenn.

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Speaker 8: I don't agree with that absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Ben Johnson played a massive pro He's phenomenal as an

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Speaker 1: Where I disagree with you is a couple of things. One,

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Speaker 1: Dan Campbell, you're acting like he came right into a

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Speaker 1: winning situation he went. You spent time in Detroit a

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Speaker 1: putrick culture, a team, a culture and an organization that

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Speaker 8: What he came into was the.

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Speaker 1: First year they went three and thirteen, but they did

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Speaker 8: And remember they started off like one in five or

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Speaker 4: I don't want to stop you. Ben Johnson was the

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Speaker 8: I don't know how fun it goes back.

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Speaker 3: No, No, he was not good, dude.

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Speaker 8: That was clearly not the point.

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Speaker 1: The point is they didn't go to three to thirteen,

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Speaker 1: reason why they got better you can great you know,

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Speaker 1: Hony teams have great coordinators and don't do jack with him.

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Speaker 1: guys a coordinator and create a culture and draft well.

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Speaker 1: Drafting well is probably gonna end up biting them in

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Speaker 1: to me, they they've drafted well, well, developed well, and

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Speaker 1: they have a great system going. You look, you talking

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Speaker 1: have a grit about them that they bounced back and

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Speaker 1: they continue to compete. They could have folded after the

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Speaker 8: They did. They came back and got better.

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Speaker 1: A bunch of injuries, they end up losing in the postseason,

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Speaker 1: but this team continues to fight.

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Speaker 4: CONFINU, how do you get better when you don't go

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Speaker 4: to where you were? You in the NFC Championship game,

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Speaker 4: you took a step back?

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Speaker 1: Great question, didn't He went to fifteen and two and

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Speaker 1: they had seven defensive starters out.

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Speaker 4: Did they lose because of that? They were nine and

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Speaker 1: Is the favorite? I don't have seven. That's not why.

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Speaker 1: That's why they got switched. That's swiss cheese and Jared,

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Speaker 1: It's not. My point is you're giving them an out.

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Speaker 1: You appreciate you.

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Speaker 3: No, I'm telling you that they had nothing to do

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Speaker 8: Quarterback?

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Speaker 2: Who four?

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Speaker 3: What play?

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Speaker 8: Are you going to win? So they are you've done?

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Speaker 8: Are you done? Great?

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Speaker 1: So they lost the one game there. My point was

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Speaker 1: they continue to improve. They go from twelve to fifteen. So, yes,

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Speaker 1: they lost a horrible game in the postseason.

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Speaker 8: Happens.

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Speaker 1: You know who has lost a horrible game in the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl, The Chiefs, It happens. My point is this

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Speaker 1: team continues to go. One difference between the Chiefs and

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Speaker 1: the law is becording to you, it don't matter they

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Speaker 1: it's not my whole point. So my whole point is

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Speaker 1: they continue to fight. So absolutely this is a must

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Speaker 1: win for them, because it's not just they lose.

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Speaker 4: Then what do you say if they lose the game

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Speaker 4: to the Bear? Then now what would be your compensation?

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Speaker 4: They absolutely still have a chance to make the postseason.

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Speaker 4: We set up here last year, you and I talking

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Speaker 3: Got the Ravens.

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Speaker 1: But they are exactly like the Rings. They've exactly been like,

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Speaker 4: No, they haven't the Ravens have a better team than

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Speaker 4: the loss? Not even questions? So one quarter backus won

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Speaker 4: The same place one organization has got another one is

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Speaker 4: not I'm talking.

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Speaker 8: About the Lions. Don't ask me a question. I try

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Speaker 8: to tell you. What I'm saying is they have an opportunity.

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Speaker 1: The reason why this game matters, and the reason why

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Speaker 1: So you don't want to go into and have everybody

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I get it.

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Speaker 10: I mean, Jimmy Johnson was the best at this.

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Speaker 6: Like he said, I'll treat everybody fairly, but I won't

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Speaker 3: So what message? What message would that be to me? Okay,

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Speaker 4: That's that's where I think it's hollow, because it ain't

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Speaker 3: That's all I'm saying.

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Speaker 6: You're not wrong there. But but but that's the sliding

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Speaker 6: I'm not what you're saying, is that actually really smart?

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Speaker 6: But I think that Aaron felt like he needed to

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Speaker 10: Crap about that?

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Speaker 3: It's so silly.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, coach, what the hell are you talking about? So,

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Speaker 6: but that's that's a very Bill Parcells move. It is

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Speaker 4: I've said it a million times on this show. Sports

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Speaker 6: I do you think when everyone talks about culture, right, oh,

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Speaker 10: They fire him. They say, well, he.

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Speaker 6: Didn't win enough, so the culture, I mean, the culture

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Speaker 3: Thank you. That's what I just said.

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Speaker 10: The only thing, it's the only thing that matters.

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Speaker 4: That culture thing is the biggest con job I've ever seen,

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he be Dan Campbell showed up and built

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Speaker 4: If Delions don't make the playoffs this year, people will

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Speaker 3: He lost the team.

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Speaker 6: Robb, You're one hundred percent right. At the end of

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Speaker 1: I'll disagree with that, but I do absolutely believe creating

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Speaker 8: Knowing what you hate.

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Speaker 6: No, that's fair, that's fair.

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Speaker 10: Like you want to have. This is what we do,

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Speaker 6: But the best teams, the best teams, when it's all

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Speaker 6: the opposite of everything. Well, we're about this, But in

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Speaker 10: And I think that's the most important thing.

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Speaker 4: I want to just one last thing. I want to

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Speaker 4: I mean been he's been there a while and every

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Speaker 3: And I get it.

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Speaker 10: It is nineteen ninety one.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's an incredible and I'm not they won

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Speaker 4: turned into uh no, he's turned into to Doc Rivers.

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Speaker 4: You know what I mean, Where you won a championship

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Speaker 6: To me, You're not wrong, and this is the weird thing,

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Speaker 6: and we can we can apply this to Mike Tomlin

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Speaker 3: Said it a million times about him. Enough with the five.

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Speaker 10: Hundred yeah, Bill Cower. Bill Cower said it the best.

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Speaker 6: He said, you know, after ten years, I think your

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Speaker 6: They haven't been able to beat the Chiefs. They haven't

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Speaker 6: been able to beat all these teams in the playoffs.

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Speaker 6: Lamar Jackson, as great as he is as a starting quarterback,

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Speaker 6: he has three playoff wins. To put that in perspective,

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Speaker 6: that's the same number of Super.

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Speaker 10: Bowl wins as Patrick Mahomes has.

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Speaker 6: Okay, and he's got seventeen.

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Speaker 10: That's the second most in NFL history.

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Speaker 6: And I'm not a wins or quarterback stat guy. But

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Speaker 6: the NFL keeps this right. So that's why I use it.

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Speaker 6: That's why I use it as a reference point. John

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Speaker 6: Harville and Mike Tomlin are great.

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Speaker 10: Coaches, I believe that, but it might be.

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Speaker 6: Time for both of them to try this somewhere else.

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Speaker 1: Hey, real quick, before we let you go, Trey, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna throw it two different ways. You got the Raiders, Steelers,

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Speaker 1: and the Coats, they all get wins, and then you

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Speaker 1: got the Bengals, the Giants and Pats all lost, which

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Speaker 1: you can do however you want, which are real from

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Speaker 1: those wins or what's you look at a team with

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Speaker 1: those losses and say they're better than that.

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Speaker 10: I think that.

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Speaker 6: I'm not sold on the Bengals. I mean, I think

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Speaker 6: the Bengals still have major concerns. I mean, it was

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Speaker 6: a rookie kicker that missed an extra point, the field

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Speaker 6: goal in a one point game, right, otherwise we'll be

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Speaker 6: talking about the Bengals falling behind in some time again.

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Speaker 6: I don't like the way that team is built. I

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Speaker 6: have concerns there. I think Indianapolis is real. There's a

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Speaker 6: lot of good.

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Speaker 10: Players on that team.

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Speaker 6: They just need a competent quarterback and Daniel Joes isn't great,

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Speaker 6: but he's competent. And I do believe that Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 6: has something to prove this year. It's one thing to

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Speaker 6: prove it against the Jets where he had a huge

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Speaker 6: ship on his shoulder, but everything that went wrong the

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Speaker 6: other year, I need to see this more from Aaron

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Speaker 6: Rodgers going forward.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you sent to me that we were talking about

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Speaker 1: it yesterday. That's where I am as well. Appreciate you

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Speaker 1: as always, Trey Wingo. Make sure you go check out

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Speaker 1: the new YouTube show Straight Facts on Me on YouTube

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Speaker 8: Thank you, Trey.

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Speaker 4: Rob g Steph Curry does what and this is the

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Speaker 4: one thing I don't like about the NBA.

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Speaker 8: I really don't was that what he did?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what he did because it's the only league where

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Speaker 3: they do it. And I have no idea.

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Speaker 4: Why, Like, seriously, you notice no one bad mouse Babe

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Speaker 4: Ruth and says, oh he can. Yeah, but if he

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Speaker 4: played now, nobody right, nobody, They don't do it an

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Speaker 4: the NFL.

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Speaker 3: Oh, Jim Brown couldn't play now? Or only in the NBA.

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Speaker 3: Is there a.

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Speaker 4: Situation where people are always bashing the older players to

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Speaker 4: tell you how great they are?

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Speaker 3: But anyway, Steph Curry joined the chorus real quick.

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Speaker 1: Before you go there, I think I want to offer

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Speaker 1: the why Ron. I think it's easier because Babe Ruth

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Speaker 1: is so he's almost mythological, almost like he never even played.

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Speaker 8: He's just so like a godlike figure.

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Speaker 1: In baseball, I think in football we don't know who

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Speaker 1: the definitive best player.

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Speaker 4: Is, so I do for who Jim Brown or Lawrence Taylor.

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Speaker 4: I know I'm with you on those two. To me,

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Speaker 4: but Jim Brown, Lawrence Taylor, you got Tom Brady got

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Speaker 4: Jerry right, Jim Brown, I'm just saying Jim Brown or

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Speaker 4: Lawrence Taylor on my but right, But I'm saying some

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Speaker 4: people would say that.

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Speaker 1: Some people might say it's a quarterback another one like

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Speaker 1: Joe Montayner. So it's hard to like argue about something.

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Speaker 1: Whereas basketball, I think what has made things so much

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Speaker 1: easier is Jordan to Kobe Jordan and Lebron and and

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Speaker 1: it's easier.

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Speaker 3: That Kobe's really a conversation.

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Speaker 1: Well, nowadays you ask people, Kobe's a lot of people's goat,

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Speaker 1: and so I think it just makes it for easier

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Speaker 1: fodder because you can do that.

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Speaker 8: It's hard to be like Ted Williams or.

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Speaker 4: You know, I mean the last guy hit four o six.

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Speaker 4: I never heard anybody say Tam Williams camp.

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Speaker 8: That's what I'm saying. Nobody. It's harder to like arguing

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Speaker 8: debate those things.

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Speaker 3: I just think it happens a lot more.

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Speaker 8: I know, and I'm agreeing. I'm just wondering.

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Speaker 1: I think that might be why it's easier to debate

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Speaker 1: who's the best more than any other sport.

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Speaker 5: Well, here, I thought you were upset because Steph Curry

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Speaker 5: is doing media rounds and he's on the Today Show

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Speaker 5: and out the odd Couple.

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Speaker 8: That's what I thought you were upset about.

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Speaker 3: We don't want Steph Curry wants somebody's gonna say something.

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Speaker 8: Well, speaking of saying something, just go ahead and say no.

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Speaker 1: He he was about to call us like, hey, we're

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Speaker 1: about to see y'all want to do Friday.

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Speaker 5: Show Steph again making the media outs to promote his

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Speaker 5: new book, of course on to Today Show.

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Speaker 3: Of course they're not going to ask him any real questions.

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Speaker 5: It's like when Rob was promoting the year and eighty

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Speaker 5: Mouse book. Yes, he went on Bernie Fratto's podcast, he

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Speaker 5: went on Fred Rogan's radio show, he went on Doug

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Speaker 5: Gottlie's podcast.

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Speaker 8: It was such a big but yeah step of over

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Speaker 8: Today Show promoting his new book.

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Speaker 5: And they were asking him about the impact he's out

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Speaker 5: in the league since he's come in, And here's what

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Speaker 5: he said about where the league is now and how

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Speaker 5: it compares two years past.

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Speaker 11: I was also about Wiseman when I was getting into

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Speaker 11: the league, like you want to leave the league in

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Speaker 11: a better place than when you found it. And I

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Speaker 11: think just the way that you see the skill level

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Speaker 11: right now, the way that the range just kind of

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Speaker 11: taken over and got to shoot threes all over the court,

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Speaker 11: but just from one through five and all the way

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Speaker 11: down the ross, I think this is the most skilled,

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Speaker 11: you know, era of basketball history. And so whether that

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Speaker 11: was you know, young kids in the game now seeing

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Speaker 11: you know my generation the way that I play and

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Speaker 11: getting inspired by that, like that for me is important

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Speaker 11: in something I don't take for granted.

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Speaker 8: I don't buy it.

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Speaker 1: I don't buy it in the sense that, yes, maybe

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Speaker 1: if you're talking about fifteen man roster, maybe twelve through

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Speaker 1: fifteen or more skilled than the twelve through fifteen in

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Speaker 1: the eighties and the nineties, I'll give you that. I

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Speaker 1: will give you there as somebody on the bench in

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Speaker 1: street clothes. Who if I took that guy in the

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Speaker 1: street clothes, guy from eighty six, he would cook him up.

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Speaker 8: I'll give you that.

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Speaker 1: But where I think people getting this whole thing misconstrued

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Speaker 1: is this is the era, and we've talked about this, Rob,

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Speaker 1: this is the personal trainer era. This is the I

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Speaker 1: don't just go play and try to play ball, and

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Speaker 1: who this is that guy to have a personal trainer

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Speaker 1: to work haha? High step back, step back, Hi, high

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Speaker 1: step back, step back, step back. And to me, okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you might have a step back better than somebody eight nine.

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Speaker 8: You know what they had better then.

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Speaker 1: They knew how to win, they knew how to make

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Speaker 1: basketball plays, they knew how to play with the team,

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Speaker 1: they knew how to play within a system. And I

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Speaker 1: think that's one of the things I will get misconstrued.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying all these guys can. Obviously, Steph is

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Speaker 1: one of the greats. And if you look at current

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Speaker 1: guys le BRONI but I'm looking at to me, Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: yes there's a handle, Yes there's a again an ability

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Speaker 1: to do a eurostep or something as if the eurostep

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Speaker 1: didn't happen back then. I don't buy that it equates

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Speaker 1: to better basketball. That's my biggest thing. I don't watch

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Speaker 1: basketball me and you just did our first whole postseason

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Speaker 1: run in the playoffs, and I don't believe I watched

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Speaker 1: better basketball than I did in previous years or eras.

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Speaker 1: I don't buy that at all. I watch guys and

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Speaker 1: I'm confused sometimes. Do you not see the open man?

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Speaker 1: Did you not see the back cut? Why would you

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Speaker 1: take that shot? And just because I got a six

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Speaker 1: foot ten dude who can shoot threes, who's allowed to

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Speaker 1: shoot more threes, that doesn't mean he's better.

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Speaker 8: I tell you this all the time. Rob.

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Speaker 1: If I told Larry Bird, Reggie Miller, Chauncey Phillips, you know, Detroit,

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Speaker 1: you're allowed to shoot eighteen threes tonight, and we wouldn't

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Speaker 1: better eye, I don't know what those guys would have happened.

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Speaker 1: I told Isaiah Thomas, Mark Price, the other guy, you

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Speaker 1: can shoot twenty threes a night, and we literally wouldn't

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Speaker 1: even think twice. Well, then yeah, he might look even

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Speaker 1: more skilled. And let me also offer you this. Everybody

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Speaker 1: keeps talking, you know, and I don't believe everybody believes it,

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Speaker 1: but you get the whole Plumber joke about back in

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Speaker 1: the day, and I start thinking, I'll say, man, when

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Speaker 1: I look at Magic Johnson highlights, I ain't seen nothing

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Speaker 1: like it since. Name the guy if I showed you

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Speaker 1: those who's that skilled to do that, Michael Jordan. We

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Speaker 1: talk about him every day on day just about I

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Speaker 1: still haven't seen that. I've seen people try never seen that.

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Speaker 1: So the idea that just simply because guys spend more

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Speaker 1: time with personal trainers and they'd work on this and

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Speaker 1: work on that. Are they more skilled? Okay, maybe the

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Speaker 1: last few dudes on the team. But the idea that

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Speaker 1: is better basketball. It's better aesthetically, it's better from a

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Speaker 1: high quality standpoint. That part I don't agree, and I

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Speaker 1: don't think when I watch games now that in most

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Speaker 1: of the games, not all that it's a better brand

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Speaker 1: of basketball than the year's previous. I don't agree with

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Speaker 1: that portion of it.

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Speaker 4: For me, I don't agree with it at all. I

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Speaker 4: just think this is typical. That was Steph patting himself

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Speaker 4: on the back that because of him shooting logo threes

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Speaker 4: he's made everybody better and everybody wants to be like

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Speaker 4: him and he's revelutionized basketball.

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Speaker 3: The reason he's had success is because.

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Speaker 4: Of the rule changes, the spacing that people have, the

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Speaker 4: idea that you can't defend anybody, touch anybody.

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Speaker 3: That makes for an easier game. It just does.

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Speaker 4: You talk about players all the time and they'll tell

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Speaker 4: you it's easy to score. All the European players say, dude,

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Speaker 4: are you kidding.

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Speaker 1: I'll come here and be like, wait, this is the

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Speaker 1: NBA physically from a physical standard way.

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Speaker 4: There's there's nothing here, like really, I can't even put

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Speaker 4: my hand, I can't even touch you. Sure the skills better,

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Speaker 4: I have a free path, I can just drive.

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Speaker 3: Yes, what what?

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Speaker 8: What?

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Speaker 3: What part of that?

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Speaker 6: Uh?

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Speaker 3: And I'm with you. I just don't. I don't see

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Speaker 3: it at all. I don't buy into it.

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Speaker 4: I think this is just players thinking because they're in

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Speaker 4: better shape and they wear a better snick and all

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Speaker 4: that I'll give you that and all that that they're

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Speaker 4: that somehow they were better, I would beg to difference

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Speaker 4: say that what they were able to do during that

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Speaker 4: time wearing sneakers without arches and taking trains and you

664
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Speaker 4: know what I mean. In fact, when I covered the NBA,

665
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 4: they flew commercial right, Yeah, seventh footer sitting in coach,

666
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Speaker 4: you're no first class seat. Seventh footer had a squeeze

667
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 4: in that. That is what went on and had to play.

668
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 4: We were on the first flight out because in those

669
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Speaker 4: days in the winter, you couldn't take the two o'clock

670
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Speaker 4: to get to the game.

671
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Speaker 3: You gotta get on a six thirty.

672
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,959
Speaker 4: In case there's snow or ice and that fight gets canceled,

673
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 4: you got to catch the next one.

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Speaker 3: So we were always on.

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Speaker 4: The first flight six thirty from Milwaukee to Detroit or

676
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Speaker 4: wherever it is.

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Speaker 3: And that's what those players had to deal with.

678
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Speaker 4: It's totally different, but skill wise to just say because

679
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 4: it's easier to score now and they have the benefit

680
00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 4: of the new spacing where they have a to work

681
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Speaker 4: and I physically can't touch you. There's a lot of

682
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 4: stuff that goes in there, and these guys continue to

683
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 4: bash uh the players who played, And I'm with you,

684
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 4: if those guys were playing today and they had all

685
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 4: of these other things, are you kidding me? If you

686
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 4: think Michael Jordan would have been a hell of a

687
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 4: three point shooter, you have no idea of the skill

688
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 4: or or if Isaiah Thomas couldn't be touched, or what

689
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 4: those guys had to go through them?

690
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Speaker 3: Are all those guys sure they would? Those are all

691
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 3: time greats. And here's the other thing.

692
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Speaker 4: Now, you got one one and a half players maybe

693
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Speaker 4: on those days, go back and look at the teams

694
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Speaker 4: where you're talking about bird Magic, I mean bird John

695
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 4: right like right there, and then you and then you

696
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 4: would go and look at some of these other teams

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Speaker 4: with players that they had. Everybody had like two or

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Speaker 4: three really good players and it wasn't as many players

699
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 4: and all that. I just I think the league is

700
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 4: way watered down. It's probably six teams that don't really

701
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 4: need to be around and sixteams full of players who

702
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 4: probably aren't NBA players.

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Speaker 3: And look at where they even are in the draft.

704
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Speaker 4: They don't even they don't have two rounds, like there

705
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 4: aren't that many great players.

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Speaker 1: And I'll add this too, I still and Rob g

707
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: you're a big hoop guy, and Rob you mccovern the

708
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 1: league for years, since nineteen eighty seven, since nineteen seven.

709
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: I look at this and I tried, and I really

710
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: try to not be the old get off my long guy,

711
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Speaker 1: and I'm really looking at this. I Kyrie is arguably

712
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Speaker 1: one of the most talented we've ever seen. So there's

713
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Speaker 1: always gonna be a steph Is up there. We got

714
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Speaker 1: a handful of guys. But like, I see a lot

715
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Speaker 1: of guard play from the early two thousands that I

716
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Speaker 1: don't see nowadays.

717
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Speaker 8: Like I see it about everybody, oh, every being more

718
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Speaker 8: skilled today.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't see a lot of Baron Davis's,

720
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Speaker 1: Steve Francis st Stephan Marlberry like guards that were just

721
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 1: crazy and shoot, dribble, pass, jump out the gym. I'm

722
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Speaker 1: like every Alan Iverson, like everybody just hold on now again,

723
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Speaker 1: just because you have some of your moves that you

724
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: spending your trainer and you've worked on your personal game

725
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 1: since you were ten twelve years old. Back in the day,

726
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 1: it was more so you played basketball and worked on

727
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: team and you understood the fundamentals of how to win.

728
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Speaker 1: You know, I don't think it just automatically means you're

729
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Speaker 1: more skilled. So that's my biggest thing, is people just

730
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Speaker 1: automatically saying it just simply because you know, a random center, yeah,

731
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Speaker 1: and Aaron gad shape and a random center might be

732
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Speaker 1: able to dribble, but.

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Speaker 8: The'm like, yeah, that doesn't mean he can win.

734
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Speaker 1: And we all sit up here in the last handful

735
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Speaker 1: of years to complain about the quality of the game.

736
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Speaker 4: We complain about what we're witnessing, what we're seeing. How

737
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 4: why everybody talks about it?

738
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Speaker 1: You know that seventy threes and again it's like, that's it,

739
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Speaker 1: So that made you better?

740
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Speaker 8: That I get to go, ooh, it's so better, so

741
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 8: much better.

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Speaker 3: Why is the game so bad?

743
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's inefficient, and so that that's my biggest thing. Yes,

744
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Speaker 1: Steph is an outlier, meaning you're you're one of them ones.

745
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 1: Kyrie is one of the ones, you know, Luca. But again,

746
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Speaker 1: those international guys, they often learn how to play the game,

747
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 1: like how to play basketball, not just simply you know,

748
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 1: work on a drill over and over and over again,

749
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Speaker 1: to put on YouTube and face and you know, Twitter

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Speaker 1: and TikTok and all that